bruce lee never won a single tournament look it up. if he was as good as he said there would be much more evidence, not just testimonials from his little personal fan club.
@1123456789ff Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches
bruce "delusional" lee. shame he never actually fought anyone worth mentioning, dude was the steven seagal of his day with equally outlandish claims. any of the gracies or kimura would have demolished lee back then.
@IpMan19 No you used the crab thing on the Gracies.
You happened to spell S A K U R A B A like an idiot, and then make an analogy that didn't make any sense at all. I'm just imagining a crab, armored scuttling with pincers and trying to put that to a Gracie. It was easier just to realize you are stupid.
But hey, with a name like IpMan, I guess you're a wing chunner, which is another reason to feel sorry for you besides your 2nd grade education.
I called it fighting like a crab for one of the gracies who keeps spining on the floor with his legs open like a crab for almost the whole match.
I don't need to spell it 100% correct for people with the normal intellectual capability to understand me, except for the idiots, but sorry didn't realise there are plenty of them here on youtube and you're apparently one of the good examples.
So crabs spin around on their backs with their legs open? You must watch National Geographic on acid, dude.
Funny that a wing chunner would question someone's reasoning ability. Enjoy your patty cake style. I just hope you never get into a fight outside the internet.
"So crabs spin around on their backs with their legs open?"
Wow, nice shot by a fucking idiot!!
No, crabs don't spin around on their backs by themselves, but they can be put into such a situation by others. Maybe you should watch the programs like Iron Chef and see how the crab reacts just before they got slaughtered.
If Wing Chun is a patty cake, then boxing must be the most shitty style. I can't stop laughing when I watch those videos of boxing vs karate or muay or other styles and see the boxers scared off the stage after getting their shits beaten out their asses. LOL...
Most white chunks don't know what Wing Chun is and they always talk about Wing Chun out of theirs asses. Stuck to boxing not Wing Chun, it never a style that white chunks are capable of.
@IpMan19 aww, poor racist is hurt that his "awesome style" is bullshit patty cake. Have fun playing patty cake, kid. Boxing is for men. WC is for boys.
Like I said your mom didn't teach you enough. That's why you are speaking lack of common sense. Is she still cooking for you everyday?
Boxing is for white chunks because they don't do any style good other than this. Your chunk fleshes are full of fat which is good at absorbing the force upon impact.
@IpMan19 Notice that there are no wing chunners in any professional fighting sport? It is because they can't fight full contact. I mean, for a racist like you I suppose any Chinese style is great whether it works or not. Have fun living in a fantasy world.
You can't defend your patty cake style so you attack me. It's sad, really.
You're simply saying every good style must be suitable for tournamnet fights or they mustn't be good and every good fighter must have entered the tourament or they mustn't be good fighters. Once again proving yourself a nonsense idiot.
@IpMan19 Wing Chun can't compete in MMA or boxing or anything that has a possibility of being punched in the face. Most WC schools don't do contact sparring, so they can't take a punch and retain technique, not to mention they use techniques that would be exposed as wrong if they ever did spar, like leaving your head straight up in the air...
Here is a good example of why the pinky white always boast about boxing is the best.
v=GELsArma-k8
Because your full of fat chunks that act as a natural shield for being punched. Thanks god that you're white if you're so much into boxing than anything.
@IpMan19 "Here is a good example of why the pinky white always boast about boxing is the best." << Here is an example of how IpMan19 is a butthurt racist.
@IpMan19 White Caucasian is redundant, and yeah I'm very qualified. I can compose rational arguments about Bruce Lee while pointing out absurd misconceptions without doing ad hominem racist attacks. I can also type with good English and grammar. Thus, I am more qualified than you, Mr. Racist IpMan19. ^__^
White caucasian is a term used to separate between some europeans and caucasians of other regions, not redundant. You are totally absurd and your so-called rational arguments are just all bullshits. I'm not interested in checking your grammar, Mr. Imbecile, TheTerrorUforgot. :-)
Again, countless anecdotes of comments from people who recount what it was like to square off with Bruce lee in combat and how inferior they were to Bruce, means Bruce lee did a whole lot of fighting, and much more than some haters would like to give credit for.
@castletriglav You don't know shit about Bruce Lee. Do the research before you comment--he was a street fighter since he was a teenager. He wasn't like Jet Li or Jackie Chan, he was the real deal. As he matured he would only fight when disrespected and he would wipe the guy up in a few seconds just to teach him a lesson and then have mercy on him. He knocked a 200+lb black belt judo expert/bodybuilder 8 ft. into a pool with his 1 inch punch. Read, research, and then post!
Bruce Lee shouldn't even have to make this statement when people like Chuck Norris said he believed Bruce Lee would win against him in a fight to the death. Plus, other fighters have stated they would pick Bruce Lee over ANYONE in a fight on the street with no rules. Shit, Chuck Norris started training in grappling before the UFC was even invented.
99 % the BL fans and 99 % of MMA-fans base their opinions on BL-movies. Some goes a little further, by reading books, watch documentaries, read forums, listen to Bas Rutten, etc. But the information you get there, is nothing near of knowing what JKD is. You hae to visit a orignal JKD-school verified by Bruce Lee Foundation. Only a few of that kind of schools exist worldwide. Visit them, and then you may make your opinion on JKD. The opinion by it self is not important, but the source and road.
@shadowowl1 na i really dont think he has to step anyhting up his speed was uncomparable and his strength was just insane and most of all his philosophy fighters have to be mentally strong as well if anything todays fighters need to step there shit up
In 1964, Bruce was invited to a karate championship in Long Beach, California. There he performed his famous "One Inch Punch," where he would deliver a devastating blow from only an inch away, sending his opponent flying back!
[YouTube Link]
Bob Baker of Stockton, whom Bruce hit, said "I told Bruce not to do this type of demonstration again. When he punched me that last time, I had to stay home from work because the pain in my chest was unbearable".
In 1964, a karate championship tournament in Long Beach, Bruce Lee invited any karateka to challenge him on the stage, but I so far can't anything to confirm that.
@Yaknaw He actually never won much either. He practically never fought -- the ONLY one where the opponent can be identified is Wong Jack Man. And even there, they argue about the outcome.
@redbulldog So because he didn't fight anyone who was super famous or still alive today (keep in mind, bruce was young in those days, and he would be in his 70s today) means he didnt really fight? Just because it's not on google.com doesnt mean its not true, man. Bruce didn't sky rocket to fame in usa until enter the dragon (after he died). Video camera's in china weren't small back then. No one cared to film M.A. street fights. It was common to street fight with M.A.
@adamzez it means he didn't fight much, and fought nobody particularly impressive. It doesn't have to be on google to be true...but if its not ANYWHERE then its irrational to credit him with anything much.
Meaning...even when counting all reasonably reported fighting experience Bruce Lee had...he practically never fought. He had perhaps 10 adult self defense scraps in his entire life, and zero of them against reputable opposition.
Childhood stuff vs. nonsignificant kids don't matter.
@redbulldog whether anything childhood matters is opinion. so keep that to yourself.
you seem to think the internet was around back then. man without the internet you would have been totally lost and clueless. You think everything has to be video taped to be true. Plenty of people came out for interviews about bruce, you just dont read them. You hear things about him that are true or false, and you label them all as false. Anything in history is false through your logic.
@adamzez no fighting as a child and untrained non-martial artist...doesn't impact Bruce Lee's abilities later.
It's not about videotape. It's about the fact that Bruce and his family and Linda etc. don't agree with the claims that Bruce won three tournaments or ever defeated anyone significant ever.
Those that were with Bruce, and Bruce himself...never claimed that.
@redbulldog All the evidence points to that he really did fight all the time man. A Hong Kong director got a story published in the news paper saying if anyone can beat Bruce Lee, he would give them an instant deal on a movie. You can search for the newspaper article can't you? So people with skills and no skills were trying to beat the little guy bruce lee so they could get their instant fame and money. Bruce didn't win 3 tounaments, i dunno who told you that shit.I never claimed it
@adamzez Show EVIDENCE, if you have it. Even the most generous "Bruce Lee legend" fanboy sites list around 4 fights from 62 to his death: YMCA "karate" man, Wong Jack Man, walljumper, and movieextra. That's it. And, that's not even evidence.
And if that's it...that is practically nothing and against absolutely nobody of significance.
Childhood stuff vs. teens before he even started his JKD mean so little -- they are even less significant than punching some extra out on set.
@Yaknaw ......flying back? He punched some chubby "kah-rotty" guy standing flat-footed and surprise surprise he lost his balance and fell back into the chair behind him. What version did you watch?
Bob Baker sounds like a mad pussy for someone from Stockton.
Ljenkins9000 is exactly one of those morons as described by you. Just look at his channel you'd see how hateful he is to keep tracking Bruce Lee videos and posting negative comments which are often wrong and exposing his self ignorance.
@IpMan19 Hell yeah he is.Not only is the guy a douchebag, but he is one who makes crap up as he goes along. Some of his claims are totally debunkable by videos that are easily viewabl on YouTube! Like his bs claim that Bruce never fought anybody in real life and never sparred with anyone. There are actually videos of this that totally disprove these claims. Ljenkins9000 is nothing but a trolling moron who thinks UFC is the real thing. What a joke...
@IpMan19 Actually dude was spot on. Anyone can say they are not scared to fight or unbeatable... just like all these internet warriors... if they've never fought anyone. Prove it. Bruce Lee didn't.
I assume most internet warriors, just like you, do not show their faces & true identities.
Bruce Lee got the guts to say that publicly. He didn't need to fight all. He was open for all to challenge.
But I didn't see any so-called great fighters who actually dared to challenge Bruce. All I see is some timids promoting themselves long after his death.
@IpMan19 I love proving people wrong. haha. and on top of that. you're not saying anything new. Bruce Lee said he would fight anyone, great, he didn't fight anyone. So your point is still invalid. And to clarify Im not saying I could have beaten Bruce... not a chance in hell, but that wasnt the argument here.
Bruce Lee said he was afraid of no opponent, that doesn't automatically mean he said he would fight anyone. And, again you didn't see him fight anyone doesn't also mean that he never fought anyone, it's only becoz no one got the gut to challenge him publicly.
What I said doesn't have to be new it's just some stubborn idiots like you make me repeat the same points again.
@Ljenkins9000 what the fuck are you talking about man? theres stories of what he did and even his wife was there to see it. why would they lie? people would challenge him. even the thai kickboxer in thailand got his ass whoop. and that was base on a true story. but not the movie, the movie was fake. but he did fight a muay thai. and even in long beach, a japanese guy laugh at him. and challenge him end up losing. do more research. you seen fearless? thats base on real heros. look it up.
@Ljenkins9000 This remark would be hilarious if it were true! Ignoring early gang fights, Bruce Lee won three tournaments before he became famous and decided that competition wasn't for him. As in the Movie Redbelt, "Competition Kills the Fire", and he would rather be confident he could fight for his life without any rules rather then fight for sports under non-deadly rules. Sure, he could have become a local sensation with a few injuries in Seattle. Instead he spread the knowledge worldwide.
@MrMackdaddyX Bruce did not win three tournaments, as far as most historians know. There is a story (involving names nobody recognizes) that he won one scholastic level amateur boxing tournament, though. But you must have basis to claim someone won a tournament, let alone three. What is your basis?
@MrMackdaddyX Bruce Lee didn't even win three tournaments. He might not have won even one, since zero people have EVER reported even being in any tournament with Bruce Lee. All we have is hearsay from third parties and unidentified competitors and competition dates/venues/results.
Which means exactly as much as me reporting that "Bruce won seventeen swordfighting tournaments!"
Not liking competition is fine, but it doesn't work as basis for concluding Bruce Lee was deadly.
@IpMan19 Technically, it applies to Joe Rogan's stories about Gene and Bruce. Gene Lebell would be 2nd hand re Lee. Lee would be 1st hand storyteller.
@redbulldog And benjamin franklin might not have done anything that was claimed to have been done by him. Or any other historical figure that ever existed.
@adamzez That's not likely. Benjamin Franklin printed Poor Richard's Almanack and was ambassador to France, etc...not based on rumors from anonymous fans. But because you can read the almanacks and study the congressional records about who the ambassadors were.
Now...a story like "George Washington throwing a dollar over the potomack"...that's more equivalent to a Bruce Lee "legend" historically.
@redbulldog Ahh you'd be surprised by how much those ambassadors and congressional records lie to you and everyone else. But you see it there in a professional font and book and you go "It has to be true! :D" That's how they get you homie. But that's a completly diff topic altogether i think we both agree.
@adamzez You are claiming that the US records lie about who was ambassador to France? Really? (And French records, etc etc etc)
Okay. That makes a lot of sense :-)
You have a point that sometimes history is wrong. Just...there's a heck of a lot more info about the details of whether Ben Franklin went to France than whether Bruce Lee fought in any tournament.
For example, nobody recalls the name or date or location of ANY tournaments. And nobody named Gary Elms EXISTS.
@redbulldog No i am not claiming that. What a random thing to ask. Anyways
You're the type of person who would be shown evidence and still find a way to deny it. There are names locationns of the boxing tournament bruce was in, in the book Bruce Lee the incomparable fighter. Which is the book that talked a lot about his fights and what influenced JKD on bruce over time. There is plenty out there, you just dont know where to look.
@adamzez Actually, the concerns with the HK schoolboy boxing tourney story is that is is UNdocumented. No date/time/locale. One fighter (actually, a kid/teen) is named: Gary Elms, who never competed significantly in amateur let alone professional boxing, according to the records of the sport.
There are plenty of baseless rumors out there. They just don't amount to lots of fights for the adult Bruce Lee. He never fought much in the USA. Whether he "fought" as a HK child is irrelevant.
@redbulldog You're the type of person who types it in on google, and if its not in an interview on a link on the first few pages, then its not true. You seem to think people made a big deal about challanges back then. They were very common. They happened all the time with everyone, not just Bruce. You want an MMA fighter or someone who didnt exist back then to fight bruce and for him to be here talking about. You're ignorant. You think incredible M.Artists blindly follow bruce. haha
Why so upset with me? I have looked at the information, and Bruce Lee hasn't, apparently, fought much as an adult. Big deal.
Just -- show basis. For example: WHAT CHALLENGES (other than those I've mentioned, eg Wong Jack Man) was Bruce Lee involved in? Specifically.
If you have no basis, nor evidence...then why choose to argue for an adult lifestyle of many fighting challenges for Bruce Lee which doesn't match up to accounts of history?
@redbulldog Upset with you? Dude i totally forgot i was talking to you in the first place and you think im upset with you. I dont have any evidence that proves i faught almost everyday after school and on weekends when i was in school. That must mean its not true. You're absolutely right. I dont have any evidence of the food i ate back in december, guess i didnt eat that day :( damn ur so smart and not an idiot at all
@redbulldog His wife actually doesnt disagree, nor his friends.
I think it's funny that you find it hard to believe that a man would hold a martial arts demonstration, demo his martial arts techniques and philosophies, and have open challenges to show that its effective to the audience. All martial arts demos had those back then. Thats how you prove it worked so you could get students in the first place. No one proves it because it's obvious it happened. It wasn't issue back then to prove that
@adamzez lol "doesn't disagree." You mean, she's never even been asked about it. It's equally true that she doesn't AGREE with you. Way to be deceptive.
Basically --every student/friend of Bruce Lee who has ever been asked or made a statement simply remembers Gene and Bruce training together.
NOBODY (but you) claims they did not train together.
Your "martial arts demonstration" spiel is irrelevant; stay on topic.
@redbulldog when did i say gene lebel and bruce didnt train together? bruce trained with a lot of people. thats all he did, was train, fight, and work on movies. youre putting words into my mouth, thats pathetic. and youre double standard "she doesnt agree with you" bullshit means she also doesnt agree with you. youre ridiculous and thats why i insult you. and the demonstrations had real challenges. and read books about bruce. incomparble fighter, etc
@adamzez sorry I was confusing you with someone else re Gene.
If Linda says he fought Wong Jack Man but not mention many more...and I say the same...then Linda and I agree. All I'm saying is that Bruce did not get in many fights (as an adult).
Again, to insult is to be upset. Try to be calm. It's only bits on a computer screen.
@redbulldog its obvious that you dont know ur bruce lee info outside of google or youtube. read some of the books about him. read about his student skip ellsworth and him saying that him and bruce would pretty much go to racist areas and fight people. dan inosanto would tell my old teacher about some incidents where bruce faught ppl. jus cause no one asked linda on an interview doesnt mean they didnt ask her in person. she talks about bruce all the time in person to friends and inspired fans.
@adamzez LOL okay provide your details of Skip Ellsworth and Bruce Lee fighting specific people. How many. Where. When. Otherwise, you are being misleading.
You're confusing "spar" or train or "lose temper" etc with an actual fight.
@redbulldog and that goes for plenty of people who knew bruce. if youre looking for huge martial arts stars that bruce beat, well thats hard to say because bruce pretty much made martial arts popular in united states. there werent really any reknown martial artists outside of chinese or japanese that had issues with bruce. it was traditional m.a. that bruce was attacking, which was chinese and japanese.
@adamzez What? You're saying Bruce, as an adult in college or as an instructor or actor in America...was attacking Chinese and Japanese people? Or as a Hong Kong movie Star?
With Skip Ellsworth?
Yes, as a HK youth he (and thousands of others) fought and got into trouble. That just doesn't matter to his actual, adult martial arts.
@redbulldog i dont get ur info man. adult in college? bruce was already a very talented instructor and martial artist by the time he first arrived in america. and i didnt say he attacked people, stop putting words in peoples mouths. i said he would go to areas that were known for racism. and people would fuck with him and skip and they would fight. not lost temper, not spar. not train. im talking bare fist self defense situations. just google bruce lee and skip ellsworth in the same search, damn
@adamzez Bruce was not already an instructor, false.
You said just below "bruce was attacking...chinese and japanese" What do you mean?
Go to an area "known for racism" and attacking ANYONE makes Bruce a sociopath. Sheesh. Assault some Japanese stranger because of the neighborhood you find him in, and you'd be a complete criminal.
Again...list the missing fights (that are not already listed in sites like his wiki "history" -- which is from his friends and family/)
@Ljenkins9000 Bruce Lee had no fear he was very confident in his abilities and what he could do as a fighter. Gene Lebell whom by all accounts was a beast in judo traded techniques with Bruce Lee an these to trained together. Probably at the time these 2 were unmatched in fighting period.
his delusional fans would tell you the samething.
ableturner 1 week ago
@ableturner
Bruce Lee got the gut to say that and he wasn't afraid of challenge.
Did anyone dare to challenge him? ->No
You faggots talk bad things after he passed on are delusional.
IpMan19 1 week ago
@IpMan19 i like bruce and he was a badass and im not talking about him but i find it hard to believe he could beat ali in a ring or street.
ableturner 1 week ago
No he cant.
pismostroch 2 weeks ago
@pismostroch
Who knows?
IpMan19 2 weeks ago
bruce lee never won a single tournament look it up. if he was as good as he said there would be much more evidence, not just testimonials from his little personal fan club.
1123456789ff 3 weeks ago
@1123456789ff Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches
25536lennix 2 weeks ago
Funny thing is, some Lee worshipers cite this like a fact, when really it's just bragging.
BRUCE LEE CAN BEAT ANYONE!! HE SAID SO HIMSELF!
Shit if he claimed he shit gold bars and had laser vision would you believe him?
Don't believe anything you haven't seen or can prove.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
bruce "delusional" lee. shame he never actually fought anyone worth mentioning, dude was the steven seagal of his day with equally outlandish claims. any of the gracies or kimura would have demolished lee back then.
sleepyasfuck 1 month ago
@sleepyasfuck
shame the idiots like you actually thought Bruce never fought anyone just because he never entered tournament.
where were those shits you just mentioned back in Bruce's time?
why their shit names were not heard of if they were that great?
type "Sakarbura vs Royce Gracie", the Gracies actually fought like crabs.
IpMan19 1 month ago
@IpMan19 L M F A O Sakarbura?!?! Like CRABS?!
You had better be retarded and a foreigner to talk like that, dude.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
I never said Sakarbura was like a CRAB, read the comment carefully dude!
IpMan19 1 month ago
@IpMan19 No you used the crab thing on the Gracies.
You happened to spell S A K U R A B A like an idiot, and then make an analogy that didn't make any sense at all. I'm just imagining a crab, armored scuttling with pincers and trying to put that to a Gracie. It was easier just to realize you are stupid.
But hey, with a name like IpMan, I guess you're a wing chunner, which is another reason to feel sorry for you besides your 2nd grade education.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
I called it fighting like a crab for one of the gracies who keeps spining on the floor with his legs open like a crab for almost the whole match.
I don't need to spell it 100% correct for people with the normal intellectual capability to understand me, except for the idiots, but sorry didn't realise there are plenty of them here on youtube and you're apparently one of the good examples.
IpMan19 4 weeks ago
@IpMan19 L O L
So crabs spin around on their backs with their legs open? You must watch National Geographic on acid, dude.
Funny that a wing chunner would question someone's reasoning ability. Enjoy your patty cake style. I just hope you never get into a fight outside the internet.
TheTerrorUforgot 4 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot You're a dumbass, nuff said.
Lbdataz1469 3 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
"So crabs spin around on their backs with their legs open?"
Wow, nice shot by a fucking idiot!!
No, crabs don't spin around on their backs by themselves, but they can be put into such a situation by others. Maybe you should watch the programs like Iron Chef and see how the crab reacts just before they got slaughtered.
IpMan19 3 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
If Wing Chun is a patty cake, then boxing must be the most shitty style. I can't stop laughing when I watch those videos of boxing vs karate or muay or other styles and see the boxers scared off the stage after getting their shits beaten out their asses. LOL...
Most white chunks don't know what Wing Chun is and they always talk about Wing Chun out of theirs asses. Stuck to boxing not Wing Chun, it never a style that white chunks are capable of.
IpMan19 3 weeks ago
@IpMan19 aww, poor racist is hurt that his "awesome style" is bullshit patty cake. Have fun playing patty cake, kid. Boxing is for men. WC is for boys.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
Are you saying all SWATs are boys? LOL..
Like I said your mom didn't teach you enough. That's why you are speaking lack of common sense. Is she still cooking for you everyday?
Boxing is for white chunks because they don't do any style good other than this. Your chunk fleshes are full of fat which is good at absorbing the force upon impact.
IpMan19 3 weeks ago
@IpMan19 Notice that there are no wing chunners in any professional fighting sport? It is because they can't fight full contact. I mean, for a racist like you I suppose any Chinese style is great whether it works or not. Have fun living in a fantasy world.
You can't defend your patty cake style so you attack me. It's sad, really.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
You're simply saying every good style must be suitable for tournamnet fights or they mustn't be good and every good fighter must have entered the tourament or they mustn't be good fighters. Once again proving yourself a nonsense idiot.
IpMan19 3 weeks ago
@IpMan19 Wing Chun can't compete in MMA or boxing or anything that has a possibility of being punched in the face. Most WC schools don't do contact sparring, so they can't take a punch and retain technique, not to mention they use techniques that would be exposed as wrong if they ever did spar, like leaving your head straight up in the air...
TheTerrorUforgot 3 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
Here is a good example of why the pinky white always boast about boxing is the best.
v=GELsArma-k8
Because your full of fat chunks that act as a natural shield for being punched. Thanks god that you're white if you're so much into boxing than anything.
IpMan19 3 weeks ago
@IpMan19 "Here is a good example of why the pinky white always boast about boxing is the best." << Here is an example of how IpMan19 is a butthurt racist.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
You think you as a white caucasian are qualified to comment me, huh?
Don't bring the racist card dude! You these caucasian buttheads are the tedious for racism.
IpMan19 3 weeks ago
@IpMan19 White Caucasian is redundant, and yeah I'm very qualified. I can compose rational arguments about Bruce Lee while pointing out absurd misconceptions without doing ad hominem racist attacks. I can also type with good English and grammar. Thus, I am more qualified than you, Mr. Racist IpMan19. ^__^
"Are the tedious"???!? LOL WTF
TheTerrorUforgot 3 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot
White caucasian is a term used to separate between some europeans and caucasians of other regions, not redundant. You are totally absurd and your so-called rational arguments are just all bullshits. I'm not interested in checking your grammar, Mr. Imbecile, TheTerrorUforgot. :-)
IpMan19 3 weeks ago
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25536lennix 2 weeks ago
Again, countless anecdotes of comments from people who recount what it was like to square off with Bruce lee in combat and how inferior they were to Bruce, means Bruce lee did a whole lot of fighting, and much more than some haters would like to give credit for.
Get a life.
iluvcliffrichard 1 month ago
Best ever fighter. Bruce lee dida lot of fighting, so many anecdotes of people witnessing bruce lee own people good and proper.
iluvcliffrichard 2 months ago
Bruce did very little fighting. He was more of a movie star than a fighter.
castletriglav 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@castletriglav
Bruce did dozen of fighting but not tournament. The HK police had a stack of his street fighting record.
IpMan19 2 months ago 6
@castletriglav You don't know shit about Bruce Lee. Do the research before you comment--he was a street fighter since he was a teenager. He wasn't like Jet Li or Jackie Chan, he was the real deal. As he matured he would only fight when disrespected and he would wipe the guy up in a few seconds just to teach him a lesson and then have mercy on him. He knocked a 200+lb black belt judo expert/bodybuilder 8 ft. into a pool with his 1 inch punch. Read, research, and then post!
Alexster1974 1 month ago
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rajusehmi 2 months ago
Bruce Lee shouldn't even have to make this statement when people like Chuck Norris said he believed Bruce Lee would win against him in a fight to the death. Plus, other fighters have stated they would pick Bruce Lee over ANYONE in a fight on the street with no rules. Shit, Chuck Norris started training in grappling before the UFC was even invented.
reptile202 3 months ago
You couldn't beat that bullet
TheChristianjovan 4 months ago
99 % the BL fans and 99 % of MMA-fans base their opinions on BL-movies. Some goes a little further, by reading books, watch documentaries, read forums, listen to Bas Rutten, etc. But the information you get there, is nothing near of knowing what JKD is. You hae to visit a orignal JKD-school verified by Bruce Lee Foundation. Only a few of that kind of schools exist worldwide. Visit them, and then you may make your opinion on JKD. The opinion by it self is not important, but the source and road.
tjoooda 4 months ago
@shadowowl1 na i really dont think he has to step anyhting up his speed was uncomparable and his strength was just insane and most of all his philosophy fighters have to be mentally strong as well if anything todays fighters need to step there shit up
t2SiiCk 6 months ago
@shadowowl1
You say he wasnt a sport fighter, but he DID fight in sports. He competed in ameteur boxing.
SkemeKOS 7 months ago
Bruce Lee never lost a fight...just sayin.
In 1964, Bruce was invited to a karate championship in Long Beach, California. There he performed his famous "One Inch Punch," where he would deliver a devastating blow from only an inch away, sending his opponent flying back!
[YouTube Link]
Bob Baker of Stockton, whom Bruce hit, said "I told Bruce not to do this type of demonstration again. When he punched me that last time, I had to stay home from work because the pain in my chest was unbearable".
Yaknaw 8 months ago 7
@Yaknaw
A hearsay;
In 1964, a karate championship tournament in Long Beach, Bruce Lee invited any karateka to challenge him on the stage, but I so far can't anything to confirm that.
IpMan19 7 months ago
@Yaknaw He actually never won much either. He practically never fought -- the ONLY one where the opponent can be identified is Wong Jack Man. And even there, they argue about the outcome.
redbulldog 2 months ago
@redbulldog So because he didn't fight anyone who was super famous or still alive today (keep in mind, bruce was young in those days, and he would be in his 70s today) means he didnt really fight? Just because it's not on google.com doesnt mean its not true, man. Bruce didn't sky rocket to fame in usa until enter the dragon (after he died). Video camera's in china weren't small back then. No one cared to film M.A. street fights. It was common to street fight with M.A.
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez it means he didn't fight much, and fought nobody particularly impressive. It doesn't have to be on google to be true...but if its not ANYWHERE then its irrational to credit him with anything much.
Meaning...even when counting all reasonably reported fighting experience Bruce Lee had...he practically never fought. He had perhaps 10 adult self defense scraps in his entire life, and zero of them against reputable opposition.
Childhood stuff vs. nonsignificant kids don't matter.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog whether anything childhood matters is opinion. so keep that to yourself.
you seem to think the internet was around back then. man without the internet you would have been totally lost and clueless. You think everything has to be video taped to be true. Plenty of people came out for interviews about bruce, you just dont read them. You hear things about him that are true or false, and you label them all as false. Anything in history is false through your logic.
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez no fighting as a child and untrained non-martial artist...doesn't impact Bruce Lee's abilities later.
It's not about videotape. It's about the fact that Bruce and his family and Linda etc. don't agree with the claims that Bruce won three tournaments or ever defeated anyone significant ever.
Those that were with Bruce, and Bruce himself...never claimed that.
So its a fabrication to start saying it now.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog All the evidence points to that he really did fight all the time man. A Hong Kong director got a story published in the news paper saying if anyone can beat Bruce Lee, he would give them an instant deal on a movie. You can search for the newspaper article can't you? So people with skills and no skills were trying to beat the little guy bruce lee so they could get their instant fame and money. Bruce didn't win 3 tounaments, i dunno who told you that shit.I never claimed it
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez Show EVIDENCE, if you have it. Even the most generous "Bruce Lee legend" fanboy sites list around 4 fights from 62 to his death: YMCA "karate" man, Wong Jack Man, walljumper, and movieextra. That's it. And, that's not even evidence.
And if that's it...that is practically nothing and against absolutely nobody of significance.
Childhood stuff vs. teens before he even started his JKD mean so little -- they are even less significant than punching some extra out on set.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@Yaknaw ......flying back? He punched some chubby "kah-rotty" guy standing flat-footed and surprise surprise he lost his balance and fell back into the chair behind him. What version did you watch?
Bob Baker sounds like a mad pussy for someone from Stockton.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
""I have no fear of opponent in front of me"
It's easy for a guy who's never fought anybody in his life to say he has no fear of his (non-existent) opponents."
He fought shit loads on the street lol. Get your facts right. Ya facking cum bubble
Gethski 8 months ago 2
Bruce Lee was great!!
MartialArtsCN 8 months ago
@shadowowl1
You got it right man!
Ljenkins9000 is exactly one of those morons as described by you. Just look at his channel you'd see how hateful he is to keep tracking Bruce Lee videos and posting negative comments which are often wrong and exposing his self ignorance.
IpMan19 8 months ago 3
@IpMan19 Hell yeah he is.Not only is the guy a douchebag, but he is one who makes crap up as he goes along. Some of his claims are totally debunkable by videos that are easily viewabl on YouTube! Like his bs claim that Bruce never fought anybody in real life and never sparred with anyone. There are actually videos of this that totally disprove these claims. Ljenkins9000 is nothing but a trolling moron who thinks UFC is the real thing. What a joke...
typhon3808 6 months ago 3
"I have no fear of opponent in front of me"
It's easy for a guy who's never fought anybody in his life to say he has no fear of his (non-existent) opponents.
Ljenkins9000 8 months ago
@Ljenkins9000
"I have no fear of opponent in front of me" means he's ready for anyone to challenge.
You thought you're giving a smart comment here? HO~ funny asshole!
IpMan19 8 months ago 2
for someone into traditional martial arts it seems you have a lot of rage
kelly980 4 months ago
@IpMan19 Actually dude was spot on. Anyone can say they are not scared to fight or unbeatable... just like all these internet warriors... if they've never fought anyone. Prove it. Bruce Lee didn't.
jaxcolon 3 months ago
@jaxcolon
I assume most internet warriors, just like you, do not show their faces & true identities.
Bruce Lee got the guts to say that publicly. He didn't need to fight all. He was open for all to challenge.
But I didn't see any so-called great fighters who actually dared to challenge Bruce. All I see is some timids promoting themselves long after his death.
One guy I can name out is Gene LeBell.
IpMan19 3 months ago
@IpMan19 haha actually I have a video up on my page of my first cage fight, that I won last year. So.... yea.
jaxcolon 3 months ago
@IpMan19 I love proving people wrong. haha. and on top of that. you're not saying anything new. Bruce Lee said he would fight anyone, great, he didn't fight anyone. So your point is still invalid. And to clarify Im not saying I could have beaten Bruce... not a chance in hell, but that wasnt the argument here.
jaxcolon 3 months ago
@jaxcolon
"Bruce Lee said he would fight anyone"
I love laughing at idiots. LOL...
Bruce Lee said he was afraid of no opponent, that doesn't automatically mean he said he would fight anyone. And, again you didn't see him fight anyone doesn't also mean that he never fought anyone, it's only becoz no one got the gut to challenge him publicly.
What I said doesn't have to be new it's just some stubborn idiots like you make me repeat the same points again.
IpMan19 3 months ago
@IpMan19 You mean your point that Ive already proved wrong... awesome :D
jaxcolon 3 months ago
@jaxcolon
What have you proved wrong? You even failed to make yourself clear, stupid.
IpMan19 3 months ago
@jaxcolon u know wat bro shut the hell up wat IpMan19 said is true so shut it cuz u know nothing about Bruce Lee
erijohn2000 2 months ago
@Ljenkins9000
You failed at understanding Bruce Lees meaning.
SkemeKOS 7 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 what the fuck are you talking about man? theres stories of what he did and even his wife was there to see it. why would they lie? people would challenge him. even the thai kickboxer in thailand got his ass whoop. and that was base on a true story. but not the movie, the movie was fake. but he did fight a muay thai. and even in long beach, a japanese guy laugh at him. and challenge him end up losing. do more research. you seen fearless? thats base on real heros. look it up.
khmerbraveheart 5 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 exactly
kelly980 4 months ago
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MrMackdaddyX 4 months ago
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MrMackdaddyX 4 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 This remark would be hilarious if it were true! Ignoring early gang fights, Bruce Lee won three tournaments before he became famous and decided that competition wasn't for him. As in the Movie Redbelt, "Competition Kills the Fire", and he would rather be confident he could fight for his life without any rules rather then fight for sports under non-deadly rules. Sure, he could have become a local sensation with a few injuries in Seattle. Instead he spread the knowledge worldwide.
MrMackdaddyX 4 months ago 12
@MrMackdaddyX Bruce did not win three tournaments, as far as most historians know. There is a story (involving names nobody recognizes) that he won one scholastic level amateur boxing tournament, though. But you must have basis to claim someone won a tournament, let alone three. What is your basis?
redbulldog 2 months ago
@MrMackdaddyX Bruce Lee didn't even win three tournaments. He might not have won even one, since zero people have EVER reported even being in any tournament with Bruce Lee. All we have is hearsay from third parties and unidentified competitors and competition dates/venues/results.
Which means exactly as much as me reporting that "Bruce won seventeen swordfighting tournaments!"
Not liking competition is fine, but it doesn't work as basis for concluding Bruce Lee was deadly.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog
"All we have is hearsay from third parties and unidentified competitors and competition dates/venues/results."
That's right moron! What you just said exactly apply to Gene LeBell's stories.
IpMan19 1 month ago
@IpMan19 Technically, it applies to Joe Rogan's stories about Gene and Bruce. Gene Lebell would be 2nd hand re Lee. Lee would be 1st hand storyteller.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog And benjamin franklin might not have done anything that was claimed to have been done by him. Or any other historical figure that ever existed.
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez That's not likely. Benjamin Franklin printed Poor Richard's Almanack and was ambassador to France, etc...not based on rumors from anonymous fans. But because you can read the almanacks and study the congressional records about who the ambassadors were.
Now...a story like "George Washington throwing a dollar over the potomack"...that's more equivalent to a Bruce Lee "legend" historically.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog Ahh you'd be surprised by how much those ambassadors and congressional records lie to you and everyone else. But you see it there in a professional font and book and you go "It has to be true! :D" That's how they get you homie. But that's a completly diff topic altogether i think we both agree.
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez You are claiming that the US records lie about who was ambassador to France? Really? (And French records, etc etc etc)
Okay. That makes a lot of sense :-)
You have a point that sometimes history is wrong. Just...there's a heck of a lot more info about the details of whether Ben Franklin went to France than whether Bruce Lee fought in any tournament.
For example, nobody recalls the name or date or location of ANY tournaments. And nobody named Gary Elms EXISTS.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog No i am not claiming that. What a random thing to ask. Anyways
You're the type of person who would be shown evidence and still find a way to deny it. There are names locationns of the boxing tournament bruce was in, in the book Bruce Lee the incomparable fighter. Which is the book that talked a lot about his fights and what influenced JKD on bruce over time. There is plenty out there, you just dont know where to look.
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez Actually, the concerns with the HK schoolboy boxing tourney story is that is is UNdocumented. No date/time/locale. One fighter (actually, a kid/teen) is named: Gary Elms, who never competed significantly in amateur let alone professional boxing, according to the records of the sport.
There are plenty of baseless rumors out there. They just don't amount to lots of fights for the adult Bruce Lee. He never fought much in the USA. Whether he "fought" as a HK child is irrelevant.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog You're the type of person who types it in on google, and if its not in an interview on a link on the first few pages, then its not true. You seem to think people made a big deal about challanges back then. They were very common. They happened all the time with everyone, not just Bruce. You want an MMA fighter or someone who didnt exist back then to fight bruce and for him to be here talking about. You're ignorant. You think incredible M.Artists blindly follow bruce. haha
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez You are incorrect.
Why so upset with me? I have looked at the information, and Bruce Lee hasn't, apparently, fought much as an adult. Big deal.
Just -- show basis. For example: WHAT CHALLENGES (other than those I've mentioned, eg Wong Jack Man) was Bruce Lee involved in? Specifically.
If you have no basis, nor evidence...then why choose to argue for an adult lifestyle of many fighting challenges for Bruce Lee which doesn't match up to accounts of history?
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog Upset with you? Dude i totally forgot i was talking to you in the first place and you think im upset with you. I dont have any evidence that proves i faught almost everyday after school and on weekends when i was in school. That must mean its not true. You're absolutely right. I dont have any evidence of the food i ate back in december, guess i didnt eat that day :( damn ur so smart and not an idiot at all
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez If you are not upset, you would not insult.
No, of course its POSSIBLE Bruce fought 1 thousand ninjas. There's no proof. So -- do you believe he fought 1 thousand ninjas?
I predict "no." Because there is no basis.
So without basis...you do choose to think he fought MANY other people -- just non-ninjas?
All who knew him and have enumerated his known fights, including his wife and family and children and students and friends -- disagree with you.
So...why claim it?
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog His wife actually doesnt disagree, nor his friends.
I think it's funny that you find it hard to believe that a man would hold a martial arts demonstration, demo his martial arts techniques and philosophies, and have open challenges to show that its effective to the audience. All martial arts demos had those back then. Thats how you prove it worked so you could get students in the first place. No one proves it because it's obvious it happened. It wasn't issue back then to prove that
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez lol "doesn't disagree." You mean, she's never even been asked about it. It's equally true that she doesn't AGREE with you. Way to be deceptive.
Basically --every student/friend of Bruce Lee who has ever been asked or made a statement simply remembers Gene and Bruce training together.
NOBODY (but you) claims they did not train together.
Your "martial arts demonstration" spiel is irrelevant; stay on topic.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog when did i say gene lebel and bruce didnt train together? bruce trained with a lot of people. thats all he did, was train, fight, and work on movies. youre putting words into my mouth, thats pathetic. and youre double standard "she doesnt agree with you" bullshit means she also doesnt agree with you. youre ridiculous and thats why i insult you. and the demonstrations had real challenges. and read books about bruce. incomparble fighter, etc
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez sorry I was confusing you with someone else re Gene.
If Linda says he fought Wong Jack Man but not mention many more...and I say the same...then Linda and I agree. All I'm saying is that Bruce did not get in many fights (as an adult).
Again, to insult is to be upset. Try to be calm. It's only bits on a computer screen.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog its obvious that you dont know ur bruce lee info outside of google or youtube. read some of the books about him. read about his student skip ellsworth and him saying that him and bruce would pretty much go to racist areas and fight people. dan inosanto would tell my old teacher about some incidents where bruce faught ppl. jus cause no one asked linda on an interview doesnt mean they didnt ask her in person. she talks about bruce all the time in person to friends and inspired fans.
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez LOL okay provide your details of Skip Ellsworth and Bruce Lee fighting specific people. How many. Where. When. Otherwise, you are being misleading.
You're confusing "spar" or train or "lose temper" etc with an actual fight.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog and that goes for plenty of people who knew bruce. if youre looking for huge martial arts stars that bruce beat, well thats hard to say because bruce pretty much made martial arts popular in united states. there werent really any reknown martial artists outside of chinese or japanese that had issues with bruce. it was traditional m.a. that bruce was attacking, which was chinese and japanese.
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez What? You're saying Bruce, as an adult in college or as an instructor or actor in America...was attacking Chinese and Japanese people? Or as a Hong Kong movie Star?
With Skip Ellsworth?
Yes, as a HK youth he (and thousands of others) fought and got into trouble. That just doesn't matter to his actual, adult martial arts.
redbulldog 1 month ago
@redbulldog i dont get ur info man. adult in college? bruce was already a very talented instructor and martial artist by the time he first arrived in america. and i didnt say he attacked people, stop putting words in peoples mouths. i said he would go to areas that were known for racism. and people would fuck with him and skip and they would fight. not lost temper, not spar. not train. im talking bare fist self defense situations. just google bruce lee and skip ellsworth in the same search, damn
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez Bruce was not already an instructor, false.
You said just below "bruce was attacking...chinese and japanese" What do you mean?
Go to an area "known for racism" and attacking ANYONE makes Bruce a sociopath. Sheesh. Assault some Japanese stranger because of the neighborhood you find him in, and you'd be a complete criminal.
Again...list the missing fights (that are not already listed in sites like his wiki "history" -- which is from his friends and family/)
redbulldog 1 month ago
@Ljenkins9000 Bruce Lee had no fear he was very confident in his abilities and what he could do as a fighter. Gene Lebell whom by all accounts was a beast in judo traded techniques with Bruce Lee an these to trained together. Probably at the time these 2 were unmatched in fighting period.
EmoKilla420 3 months ago