@ajf53347 The idea that Cleopatra was bitten in the breast did not begin until the Renaissance. Before that, it was generally assumed that she was bitten in the arm, since Octavian's parade depicted her with the asps attached to her arms. This is most likely the correct version, and the way that it is written in the book upon which this movie is based. It was just artistic license in the movie.
Only Afrocentrics insist that Cleopatra was black. This emotional need for a "black Egypt" prompts the impertinent hijacking of Egyptian history by Bantu descendants. The twofold objective is to replace an ahistorical sub-Saharan past with a glorious one (even if fictional), and to remove ongoing doubt about inherent black civilizational capacity. These are black psychological issues, however, and do not change the historical fact that Cleopatra was white.
@poroshnyj Why do so many people avoid primary sources? Out of all the writers who described Cleopatra, MOST said she was beautiful. The ones who did not (like Plutarch) said that her beauty was "not uncomparable." Which means she was pretty, but not excessively so. NO ONE stated that she was ugly. I have no clue where you are getting this from...
@Softbird27 Take it from an ancient historian that she was not. If you do some research, you will see that this belief started in the 1930s and has no historical grounds. In academia today, only the uneducated and ill informed cling to ideas of a non Greek-Macedonian family tree. Cleopatra's family was completely incestuous, therefore there would have been no foreign blood except for one instance, in which a Syrian princess married into the line.
@WithMountains Don't call someone "uneducated and ill informed." Most know that Cleopatra was a Black woman. She didn't resemble Elizabeth Taylor or any of the others who have portrayed her. Actually it can't be any more substantiated that Cleopatra was Greek-Macedonian any more than it can be that she was African, part or not African.. There are no historical grounds to prove Cleopatra VII was Greek-Macedonian either. If you did your research, you'd know this.
@Softbird27 I wasn't saying you were uneducated. I was saying that you should not bring this topic up among people who study ancient history for a living because you will be seen that way. Every ancient historian, including a great many that lived and met Cleopatra when she was in Rome, clearly stated that she was Greek-Macedonian. Some of them even speculated about her family being related to Alexander the Great. Read some Suetonius, Cassius Dio, or even the writings of Cicero to see this.
@Softbird27 ...then tell me, why does she bear a Greek name, that's still in use today? I know some greek girls named Cleopatra. Why? Because it's a Greek name. Also, Queen Cleopatras family name was Ptolemy, which is also a Greek name. Yes, she was Egyptian, and yes, she was the sovereign of an independent kingdom in Northern Africa, that doesn't automatically make her "black". She was ethnically Greek.
@Softbird27 actually the greeks/macedonian took over the ruling family and they took up marrying each other. kmt is thousands of years old. the nilotic peoples of the first dynasty are not ruling by the time of anthony the greek, even then the persians had conquered kmt before that time.
@Softbird27 Where did you get that Cleopatra was black? She was Greek as all the people for the Ptolomeo family tree, to which Cleopatra belongs. She was considered a foreign in the country and she wanted to imitate Isis and adopt Egyptian traditions to be accepted by the people of Egypt.
Cleopatra has been mistreated by history.. she emerged as a traitor, while she was a true national. She lived the suffering among her only love and her patriotism. And preferred death to capture or to be without her only true love.
@WithMountains It seems to be a close remake of the one Elizabeth Taylor played in with the way the servants help her commit suicide and then commit suicide themselves.
@SanamLovesEssie60 That's because her servants really did that. There are several accounts given of Cleopatra's death, but Suetonius is the most specific, and he actually writes her servants names and what they did during their final moments. That's why the movie has so many parallels... the carpet, the servants, the cobra, the gold barge... those are all factual events, not made up for the movie.
@WithMountains I think the only mistake made with movies is like this that it was a generally accepted fact she was bitten on the arm (though recently people believe she may have taken another poison), Shakespeare was the first one to mention her being bitten on the breast.
@UsagiDreamsReturns Actually, there were numerous paintings portraying Cleopatra's asp to the breast before the play was written. But historically, it is true that she was bitten on the arms, since Octavianus, who was the among the first to see her after her death, displayed her statue with cobras attached to both of her arms by their mouths in his triumphal parade. Poetic license in the movie, I suppose...
@intelek9967 Actually the Ptolemy's (Cleopatra's dynasty) were Macedonian Greek and were descended from one of Alexander the Greats generals so they had lighter skin.
@Posionlily96 Hi u said it "Lighter skin" but not white it is obvious that she were mixed.The rulers were macedonian greeks but the people of egypt were still dark skinned even with the mix of the foreigner (Lybian,assyrian, persian and greeks).Has u know the macedonians used to mix themselves with all the conquered land.
Even Herodotus before the ptolemy's (-480 to -425), 'the father of history' describe the egyptians with "black skins and kinky hair" compare to the greeks
Aristotle, -389 to -332 about egyptians "who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two"
Diodorus of Sicily, about -63 to +14
The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris.
@Posionlily96 Aristotle, -389 to -332 about egyptians "who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two"
Diodorus of Sicily, about -63 to +14
The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris.
@Posionlily96 Remember that The name Ethiopia itself is Greek and means "of burned face".
Ancient greeks even during the time of Strabo and diodorus of sicily(end of ptolemaic era) never questionned themselves about the skin color of the Egyptians that were from the same race of the ethiopians according to them. Painting don't lie go to Egypt or Try to visit museum in London or Paris and take a look a the skin colors of ancient egypt obviously dark brown to beige with kinky hair style(braids)
Jean-Francois Champollion decepherer of hieroglyps
"The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt . It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race."
Maybe not by modern standards, but almost everyone in the ancient world (including some of her enemies!) could not deny that she was one of the most attractive women they had ever seen. When in doubt, always trust the primary sources :)
@joko7038 she really was gorgeous. if you read the descriptions of her from other people she seems almost goddess like because of her beauty, confidence, and grace
why did the snake bit her in the boob??
ajf53347 2 weeks ago 2
@ajf53347 The idea that Cleopatra was bitten in the breast did not begin until the Renaissance. Before that, it was generally assumed that she was bitten in the arm, since Octavian's parade depicted her with the asps attached to her arms. This is most likely the correct version, and the way that it is written in the book upon which this movie is based. It was just artistic license in the movie.
WithMountains 2 weeks ago 5
@WithMountains That's really interesting thanks.
ajf53347 2 weeks ago
i love this video n the song :)
hannahb9933 1 month ago
Only Afrocentrics insist that Cleopatra was black. This emotional need for a "black Egypt" prompts the impertinent hijacking of Egyptian history by Bantu descendants. The twofold objective is to replace an ahistorical sub-Saharan past with a glorious one (even if fictional), and to remove ongoing doubt about inherent black civilizational capacity. These are black psychological issues, however, and do not change the historical fact that Cleopatra was white.
takfam07 1 month ago 12
what a beautiful way to end one's life...
rattlingtotheend 1 month ago
Really, Cleopatra was an ugly woman. But she was very smart. Plutarco wrote about it
poroshnyj 2 months ago
@poroshnyj
smartness more much dangerous weapon in a woman's hand than a beautiness.
pgergely13 2 months ago
@poroshnyj Why do so many people avoid primary sources? Out of all the writers who described Cleopatra, MOST said she was beautiful. The ones who did not (like Plutarch) said that her beauty was "not uncomparable." Which means she was pretty, but not excessively so. NO ONE stated that she was ugly. I have no clue where you are getting this from...
WithMountains 2 months ago 12
@poroshnyj dude... you need to read your history more than misquoting your only source smh
Jinkamoto 1 month ago
No matter how the PC people here say Cleopatra was black the TRUTH is she was a GREEK which makes here NOT black.
chase82 2 months ago 2
@chase82 Leonor Varela is not a black woman. She's a latin girl, chilean. She has spanish blood.
poroshnyj 2 months ago 2
Beautiful woman. But, hollyweird and other liars must stop perpetrating that Cleopatra was anything other than a Black woman.
Softbird27 2 months ago
@Softbird27 Take it from an ancient historian that she was not. If you do some research, you will see that this belief started in the 1930s and has no historical grounds. In academia today, only the uneducated and ill informed cling to ideas of a non Greek-Macedonian family tree. Cleopatra's family was completely incestuous, therefore there would have been no foreign blood except for one instance, in which a Syrian princess married into the line.
WithMountains 2 months ago 6
@WithMountains Don't call someone "uneducated and ill informed." Most know that Cleopatra was a Black woman. She didn't resemble Elizabeth Taylor or any of the others who have portrayed her. Actually it can't be any more substantiated that Cleopatra was Greek-Macedonian any more than it can be that she was African, part or not African.. There are no historical grounds to prove Cleopatra VII was Greek-Macedonian either. If you did your research, you'd know this.
Softbird27 2 months ago
@Softbird27 I wasn't saying you were uneducated. I was saying that you should not bring this topic up among people who study ancient history for a living because you will be seen that way. Every ancient historian, including a great many that lived and met Cleopatra when she was in Rome, clearly stated that she was Greek-Macedonian. Some of them even speculated about her family being related to Alexander the Great. Read some Suetonius, Cassius Dio, or even the writings of Cicero to see this.
WithMountains 2 months ago 3
@Softbird27 ...then tell me, why does she bear a Greek name, that's still in use today? I know some greek girls named Cleopatra. Why? Because it's a Greek name. Also, Queen Cleopatras family name was Ptolemy, which is also a Greek name. Yes, she was Egyptian, and yes, she was the sovereign of an independent kingdom in Northern Africa, that doesn't automatically make her "black". She was ethnically Greek.
silvermoons92 2 months ago 2
@silvermoons92 LOL I'm so OVER this topic. I have a Spanish last name. But, I'm TRINIDADIAN.
Softbird27 2 months ago
@Softbird27 actually the greeks/macedonian took over the ruling family and they took up marrying each other. kmt is thousands of years old. the nilotic peoples of the first dynasty are not ruling by the time of anthony the greek, even then the persians had conquered kmt before that time.
persebra 2 months ago
@Softbird27 Where did you get that Cleopatra was black? She was Greek as all the people for the Ptolomeo family tree, to which Cleopatra belongs. She was considered a foreign in the country and she wanted to imitate Isis and adopt Egyptian traditions to be accepted by the people of Egypt.
cescabel 1 month ago 4
@Softbird27 Only in your dreams was Cleopatra a black woman. She was greek
acdekl1 1 month ago 6
exelente........amo ....)))))))))
krysia1957 2 months ago
Didn't care for this version of Cleopatra. But great video
Lunabeam1 2 months ago
Cleopatra has been mistreated by history.. she emerged as a traitor, while she was a true national. She lived the suffering among her only love and her patriotism. And preferred death to capture or to be without her only true love.
She was a great woman.
ملكه مصريه.
QueensInEgypt 3 months ago 2
what is the name of the film?
Chicchera96 4 months ago
@Chicchera96 "Cleopatra" It was made in 1999.
WithMountains 4 months ago
@WithMountains Thank you so much!!!!!!
Chicchera96 3 months ago
@WithMountains Wonderful video!!!!!!
Chicchera96 3 months ago
@WithMountains It seems to be a close remake of the one Elizabeth Taylor played in with the way the servants help her commit suicide and then commit suicide themselves.
SanamLovesEssie60 3 months ago in playlist SanamLovesEssie60's favorites
@SanamLovesEssie60 That's because her servants really did that. There are several accounts given of Cleopatra's death, but Suetonius is the most specific, and he actually writes her servants names and what they did during their final moments. That's why the movie has so many parallels... the carpet, the servants, the cobra, the gold barge... those are all factual events, not made up for the movie.
WithMountains 3 months ago
@WithMountains I think the only mistake made with movies is like this that it was a generally accepted fact she was bitten on the arm (though recently people believe she may have taken another poison), Shakespeare was the first one to mention her being bitten on the breast.
UsagiDreamsReturns 3 months ago
@UsagiDreamsReturns Actually, there were numerous paintings portraying Cleopatra's asp to the breast before the play was written. But historically, it is true that she was bitten on the arms, since Octavianus, who was the among the first to see her after her death, displayed her statue with cobras attached to both of her arms by their mouths in his triumphal parade. Poetic license in the movie, I suppose...
WithMountains 3 months ago
@WithMountains What is the name of this song? It's amazing!! Awesome video btw...:)
letsgetlost101 2 months ago
@letsgetlost101 "The Power of Goodbye" by Madonna. And thank you, I am glad you like it!
WithMountains 2 months ago
Grande Leonor Varela!! Gran actriz y obvio puh si es Chilena (H)
yeeseify 4 months ago
Great video! Cleopatra is a great movie. You did a great job with this video.
EliManningFan896 4 months ago
Cleopatra was black and Egypt and ancient black civilization
intelek9967 4 months ago
@intelek9967 Actually the Ptolemy's (Cleopatra's dynasty) were Macedonian Greek and were descended from one of Alexander the Greats generals so they had lighter skin.
Posionlily96 4 months ago
@Posionlily96 Hi u said it "Lighter skin" but not white it is obvious that she were mixed.The rulers were macedonian greeks but the people of egypt were still dark skinned even with the mix of the foreigner (Lybian,assyrian, persian and greeks).Has u know the macedonians used to mix themselves with all the conquered land.
Even Herodotus before the ptolemy's (-480 to -425), 'the father of history' describe the egyptians with "black skins and kinky hair" compare to the greeks
intelek9967 4 months ago
Aristotle, -389 to -332 about egyptians "who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two"
Diodorus of Sicily, about -63 to +14
The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris.
Strabo, -58 to about +25
'Egyptians settled in Ethiopia and in Colchoi
intelek9967 4 months ago
@Posionlily96 Aristotle, -389 to -332 about egyptians "who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two"
Diodorus of Sicily, about -63 to +14
The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris.
Strabo, -58 to about +25
'Egyptians settled in Ethiopia and in Colchoi
intelek9967 4 months ago
@intelek9967 for sure egyptions are not and defintly are not black the arts in the walls and paints aprove that okkkkkkkk
siamesecatful 3 months ago
@siamesecatful You are blind thats why
intelek9967 3 months ago
@Posionlily96 Remember that The name Ethiopia itself is Greek and means "of burned face".
Ancient greeks even during the time of Strabo and diodorus of sicily(end of ptolemaic era) never questionned themselves about the skin color of the Egyptians that were from the same race of the ethiopians according to them. Painting don't lie go to Egypt or Try to visit museum in London or Paris and take a look a the skin colors of ancient egypt obviously dark brown to beige with kinky hair style(braids)
intelek9967 4 months ago
@Posionlily96 Oh yeah the actual Copts
Jean-Francois Champollion decepherer of hieroglyps
"The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt . It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race."
intelek9967 4 months ago
amazing video..i've never even heard of this movie..how i MUST watch it! again, fantastic video!
CynDaLightz 4 months ago
@CynDaLightz Thanks so much! I hope you love the movie! The soundtrack, sets, and costumes are amazing!
WithMountains 4 months ago
CLEOPATRA IS SOOOO PRETTY!!
Marcinda123 5 months ago
Egyptian Cobra
beyrishal 5 months ago
thanks :)
Dzsesztiti 6 months ago
Did Cleopatra love both Antony and Ceaser?
klazza007 6 months ago
@klazza007
Yes, although she respected Ceaser more because of his academic knowledge. Aside from that she loved both.
britt1797 4 months ago
@britt1797 Great another friggen twilight! :P
klazza007 4 months ago
I want her headress
Jaydaravenstar 6 months ago 3
hy :) who is the singer who sing a song? and the name of the music?
Dzsesztiti 6 months ago
@Dzsesztiti Madonna - The Power of Goodbye
WithMountains 6 months ago
cleopatra is really pretty here :D
MsPremadonna085 8 months ago
beautiful song
Tracassin465 8 months ago
its sad :( but good video
jan17101 10 months ago 17
she looks so pretty, i wish she didn't die :(
jan17101 10 months ago
was cleopatra really such a beauty ?
joko7038 1 year ago
@joko7038
Maybe not by modern standards, but almost everyone in the ancient world (including some of her enemies!) could not deny that she was one of the most attractive women they had ever seen. When in doubt, always trust the primary sources :)
WithMountains 1 year ago
@joko7038 she really was gorgeous. if you read the descriptions of her from other people she seems almost goddess like because of her beauty, confidence, and grace
crystalQ222 5 months ago
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SketchyPromise1 1 year ago
omg how much i love her
alankaram18 1 year ago 22
What is name music?
nikolcica13 2 years ago
"The Power of Goodbye" by Madonna
WithMountains 2 years ago