@triumph1974 The ZX9 is an abortion.. overweight crapbox. Hence, you dont see too many out on the track unless its a track day. The 848 makes close to the same power and weighs a wheel borrow less. Kawasaki is the 4th place loser in bigs 4 ranking.
with two drivers of equal skill they would probably draw.... ducati shits on it in torque but as i said, a good inline four driver will ALWAYS be in the high revs... In which a ducati's torque is meaningless.
I was thinking the same thing. Looking at him, his arse is in the right position, aswell as his knee. He shouldent be trying to put his head and shoulders back up on the bike as if he was going in a straight line...
If it were a 1098 or 1198 yes, but the 848 brakes and suspension hardware really isn't much better if any to ones on a stock gixxer 750, they are standard Showa units and the really low end Brembo calipers. I have ridden both bikes, the Duc is sweet bike i find the gixxer 750 more forgiving when you enter the turn a hair too fast tho ;)
@mitchellchapman1 Dude, the brakes, tyres, and suspension, fine...but you just said that an 848 has better top end than a GSXR 750, lol. What moron told you that ridiculous rubbish lol?
@kj7687 lol another moron thats ridden both bikes. 848 shits all over gixer. And as for the acceleration the ducati has twice as much torque so how do people think that the gixer has better acceleration?
The guy in front on the Suzuki has horrible body position, and he and the guy on the Ducati has horrible lines. If that's how they ride when they're testing, I don't think I'll put much stock in their opinions of the bikes. Everything changes when you get up to speed.
though the gixxer might beat us in the straights, he can see us later with all the chix hanging around our way kool Ducati....while he hangs around with all the 1,000,000,000 18 year old squids with a Gixxer!
to dukearty below ; i do 20 thou a yr on sports bikes!! do you think an 848 could cope with high hard miles n track days thrown in.. i love this bike and its gonna cripple me financialy to get one but i dont mind if it lasts!!! whats the best ducati shop in the midlands uk? be carefull out there guys .. they are out to get us!!!
Sorry but this just looks like a normal track day and not a real comparison of the Ducati vs GSXR. Plus both riders looked like they were afraid of dumping the bike and having to pay for the damages compared to actually riding it to it's limits.
I have to agree with you man, Ducati's are a Masterpeice in ELECTRICIAL WIRING NIGHTMARES for most of their poor owners who wish that their bikes were built like the Said cookie Gixer's
wow! i had a 996 for 6 years and did over 20k road miles and spanked it for many track miles and a couple of races - the only electrical problem i had was the battery dying and the japanese made regulator packing up!
but i'd rather have my 675 than either the 848 or the gixxer now!
but none of them suck - the duc is just expensive.....
i got a gixxer 6 that i have put around 50+k miles on in a year.. but like u said.. i live in florida so its bike weather year round and i dont got a car..
Cuántos dicen que "si la mía pesa 4 kg menos". Sí, y tú pesas 15 kg más que yo, anda ya... O que si "en los test la mía va 0,5 s más rápido por vuelta" Y qué, si tú eres 10 segundos más lento que el probador... Esto es como la discusión en coches de que si tracción delantera o trasera. Allá cada uno, amí me gusta la Ducati, por marca, espíritu, varios factores que puden no tener nada que ver con la potencia, peso o tiempo de vuelta. Disfrutad y dejaos de tonterías, que no os pagan por ganar!
Parece que es imposible que cuando en el título aparece el término "VS", la gente no acabe insultándose. Vamos, que no somos peques... Las Ducati y las japos son dos formas de pilotar diferentes, distinto feeling, mismo objetivo: disfrutar!!! Y que cada cual se compre la que quiera (o pueda) y se olvide de que si una décima por aquí por o par allí, que si mas par en bajos, que si mas potencia en altos...
para circuito prefiero antes la Ducati que cualquier japonesa, lo más importante en circuito es una buena tracción y un buen paso x curva, ducati es claramente superior a todas sus rivales en esos aspectos gracias a su motor bicilindico, chasis tubular y sistema desmo. por no decir que los frenos y las suspensiones de las ducati estan un paso x delante de las demás.
libro friki??, anda multivesa vete a dormir y despiertate, te han explicado cojonudamente la diferencia entre un motor tetra y otro bi y aun erre que erre, tu sigue con tus teorias, que gracias a tu manera de pensar voy al circuito los sabados y me fundo a gente como tu con muchos mas cvs y menos peso por no tener ni idea de las armas del rival, si tan mal van las ducati porque han ganado 12 de las 18 ediciones de las SBK?, la competicion mas famosa de motos derivadas de las de serie???ignorante
What a load of rubbish! They accelerate because the design and tuning of the engine means they produce more torque. Once you climb above the peak torque output, the acceleration relies on power output to keep accelerating. Inline 4's typically make more power but you have to keep the engine in the "power" section of the curve. This makes it more difficult to get the power down because the tyre doesn't have enough time to recover between power pulses and therefore slips.
It is not just an L because of the 90 degree angle, you get 90 degree V's.........it is an L because it has one horizontal and one vertical cylinder. So how about you read and comprehend before you type.
Congrats! I tested one for the last two weekends. The first time I rode it, I called it satan! The second time, I realized what a truly well put together machine it is. It feels like it could do no wrong and go as fast as humanly necessary. Enjoy, you lucky rider!
V-twin motors are heavier which is part of the reason they get to be bigger... two heads vs 1 but the advantage isn't just for ducs, Its for any V-twin im pretty sure...
"Why not just reduce 4's to 800cc and bring in a new 800cc class. Twins can be 999cc?"
Not many would want to buy a 800cc I-4 bike. The GSX-R 750 would sell like hot cakes but everyone wants MORE. SBK is a production bike series. The only reason the factories are in SBK is to SELL bikes.
That's the way SBK was before the change. 4 cyl were limited to 750cc and twins 1000cc. It's difficult to spin a twin much over 11,000 rpm so they are limited for top end power by that. How do you think F1 cars get 800 hp out of 2,400 cc? 20,000 rpm!
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Guyz these bikes are cool! But i have a gillera runner 125 and hell yeah it's faster than these stupid bikes men! If anybody have an agreement about this phone me to set a ride ok? Gillera 125cc rulleZ
basically i just wanna say, can everyone who doesn't know what they're talking about just shut the hell up! Ducati bikes are amazing. i'm assuming all of you who trash talk them probably haven't ridden one. also about the whole 1200cc with the twins and 1000cc with the 4cyl.... its so that they are both on a competitive level. if japan created a twin superbike it also would have to have a displacement of 1200cc to compete with the 1000cc 4cyl. so seriously shut up if you don't know.
Different engine characteristics. Twins have an advantage exiting turns etc. Also twins usually are easier on tyres. I think the first couple of meetings speak volumes about the new Ducati cup. Why not just reduce 4's to 800cc and bring in a new 800cc class. Twins can be 999cc? WSBK is now a joke.
Multivesa yo lo plantearía de la siguiente manera: la Suzuki con 150 CV y 163 kg de peso no puede despegarse de una bicilíndrica con 134CV y 173kg. ¿Cómo se te queda el cuerpo entonces?
Vivan las Ducati, que con 2 perolos igualan a las tetras en rendimiento.
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no te pueden vender una moto como el ferrari d los coches y a ese precio cuando llega una cn menos cilindrada y se la funde literalmente,. el cuerpo bien gracias
Una que te repito tiene 16CV más y 10kg menos de peso gracias a su motor tetra, y que no puede despegarse de la Ducati que es bi, y como bi que es necesita bastante más cilindrada que un tetra para igualar potencia. Y si la Ducati es tan exclusiva es precisamente por su motor bicilíndrico que tantos admiradores tiene, entre ellos yo mismo.
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no se si sabes algo de mecanica. pero el numero de cilindros no influye para nada en la potencia, ya que los dos cilindros son mas del doble de grandes que los de la suzuky, puesto que entre los dos tienen una capacidad de 848 cc y la suzuki entre cuatro hacen 749cc. en lo unico que influye es en la uniformidad de sus revoluciones y en ese sonido a ojalata que tiene la ducatti. incluso con la ventaja de un motor mejor para las curvas es incapaz d cogerla
Cito textualmente del libro Arias Paz "Mecánica de Motocicletas", 32ª Edición, página 45 (lo pongo en varios mensajes que no me cabe):
"Dejando a un lado consideraciones sobre la suavidad y regularidad de marcha [...] se puede afirmar que [...] siempre que se ha aumentado el número de cilindros ha sido en busca de mayor potencia. Esto es así porque en cualquier motor sólo existen dos formas de incrementarla con facilidad, que son aumentar la cilind
Es evidente, el mejor camino es dividir el trabajo entre varios cilindros. Éstos, al ser más pequeños, disponen de una masa menor que permite aumentar el régimen, de modo que se aumenta el número de explosiones en un mismo tiempo. ESTO COMPENSA LA MENOR CILINDRADA [...] Por tanto A IGUALDAD DE CILINDRADA SE AUMENTA LA POTENCIA DEL MOTOR. [...]
2.3 Ventajas e inconvenientes (del motor pluricilíndrico):
En primer lugar hay que destacar LA MAYOR POTENCIA PARA IGUAL CILINDRADA [...]. Siempre hay excepciones y marcas que, por distintos motivos, se especializan en motores concretos, por ejemplo DUCATI, que con sus bicilíndricos HA CONSEGUIDO BATIR EN MUCHAS OCASIONES A LOS MOTORES DE CUATRO CILINDROS [...]."
Como ves el número de cilindros de una moto AFECTA DIRECTAMENTE en la potencia que entrega AUNQUE LA CILINDRADA TOTAL del motor SEA MENOR que la de una bi. Así que lo extraño es que Ducati
con 2 cilindros logre igualar la potencia de los motores tetra, pero lo hace aumentando la cilindrada bastante por encima que la competencia tetra y empleando el sistema de accionamiento de válvulas desmodrómico.
Como ves alguna idea de mecánica tengo, y no hablo por hablar, de hecho asesoro en temas de mecánica en un foro de motos (por cierto bicilíndricas). Y por supuesto te invito a coger el Arias Paz de motocicletas o cualquier libro de mecánica de motores y comprobarás que lo que digo
Chico mucha idea no muestras la verdad,cuantos más cilindros tengas,mayor es el regimen de vueltas que puedes conseguir.Los tetras consiguen potencia a base de subir revoluciones del motor.Un ejemplo:las 600cc pueden subir hasta 15.000 o 16.000 vueltas,miéntras que un Bi no suele pasar de las 10.000rpm.Esto es porque los tetra si puéden ganar potencia aumentando sus revoluciones,miéntras que los bi,lo hacen a base de subir cilindrada.Antes de despotricar sobre algo que desconoces,documentate más
tu sigue con tu libro friki, y pagando mas por menos prestaciones. de todas formas m dan igual todos sus esfuerzos y meritos. seguire comprando motos japonesas
tengo mucha mas idea que tu, y no comprendo xk dices que undo la imagen de los moteros y del mundo motero. de todas formas m da igual. seguramente ni sikiera seas motero
I love Ducati. I'm on my L's now and I bought a Honda VTR250 because I love the look and sound of the monster so much. But I think when it comes to racing technology the Japanese bikes are better. That said, once I'm off my L's I want a Ducati just because they sound so good!
Also, a busa or a zx14 would get WRECKED in racing. They'll pull away on the straights but will get PWNED in the turns. Its all about corner speed man. Perfect example, 800cc GP bikes are now lapping as fast or FASTER than the 990cc bikes from 2 years ago. So like I said, your arguments show you know nothing!
WOW. There's NO POINT in trying to argue with people who lack reading comprehension. I hate to generalize the gixxer riding population, but there are admittedly A LOT of idiots riding gixxers, with two of them here trying to argue something they obviously know nothing about. Ducati no longer races in AMA SBK because a 1000cc V-twin is NOT competitive with 1000cc 4cyl's. That is why they allowed 1200cc in WSBK. Idiot! You can't look at engine size alone for power son!
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i do ride. why should one company get a bigger engine so they can keep up. in ama superbike should yamaha, kawi, & honda get a extra cc's. they average about 4 to 8 secound slower per race would that be fair? of course not so why should they do the same for ducs. yes i do understand they create power differantly . the vtwins can get on the throttle sooner that is there advantage. if kawi or suzuki want to race the busa & zx14 would that be fair??
Engine displacement is hardly the only thing that factors into power production in completely different types of engines. I think explaining the engineering behind this, and why you can't think the way you do, would be like explaining calculus to a 5 year old. WSBK is based on PRODUCTION BIKES, not on engine size, as in GP racing, so it is up to the racing committee to quantify the differences between engines, and decide what is allowed in each class.
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I cant wait for ducati to get beat by smaller better built machines. how can you claim they need more cc's they do fine in gp with the 800. they keeped ahead of all the jap bikes for that season. but for the Real bikes normal people can buy the need a 249 cc advantange.. that is pathetic..
Italian bikes are good, but they're not better. They're different and special, but not better. A motorcycle is a motorcycle, Japanese or Italian, if you love it then it is your dream. Because in the end, motorcycles are machines, and we have the power to breathe life into them by loving it and riding it.
I just love all bikes, Japanese Italian British... it doesn't matter I think they're all awesome. Pretty soon I'm going to buy a new bike, and I'm not sure if I want the new 1000RR or the 848...
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actually it's not my dream to pay through the nose for a bike then pay through the nose to maintain it then get torn apart by japanese bikes that cost half as much.
Don't get me wrong, these are nice bikes to look at but i'm affraid thats's whre it ends.
You guys... a twin and an inline four are COMPLETELY different bikes, and are better in different situations. (like twin having a lot more low end usable torque.) that is like comparing two stroke and four stroke dirt bikes... thats like saying my Supermoto is way better than all your ricer bikes, when it comes to cornering and handling hell yes, but after 60 mph your guys would eat me alive. Everything has its good and bad points, an gettin tail is good for anyone, dont act like you dont try.
Both are awesome bikes. The Ducati is a better looker but all things being equal it's never going to catch the R750. I'd be perfectly happy with either one.
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the 848 is closer to a litrebike then a 600. that is pathetic how can you have the most powerful gp machine but cant build a race version of your streetbike without a cc advantage just to keep up.
u idiot - V twins capacity isnt directly comparatable to an inline 4. And in 2008 WSB - inline fours are restricted to 1000cc whilst the vtwins are allowed 1200
Wait Marvin don't flame the mentally handicap. If you have two cylinders(like a Ducati) you have half the power pulses of a four cylinder bike(like a GSXR750). So consequently you can't possibly make the same power. That is why the 1098(as in 1099cc like the 1098 Ducati) is allowed to race against GSXR1000's which are limited to 999cc. The GP Ducati is a V-4 (as in four cylinders) That's why it has 800cc like the rest of the GP bikes.
The Ducatis are always compared to 600s or 750s where the Ducati has a displacement advantage.
Compare the 848 to a 900 like a ZX-9 Kawasaki, way closer to the same displacement.
Kawasaki, more torque, more horse power......Ducati, a dot in the rear view mirror.
triumph1974 10 months ago
@triumph1974 The ZX9 is an abortion.. overweight crapbox. Hence, you dont see too many out on the track unless its a track day. The 848 makes close to the same power and weighs a wheel borrow less. Kawasaki is the 4th place loser in bigs 4 ranking.
highspeedhamish 8 months ago
@triumph1974 Heavier heavier heavier.
TortillaGaming 2 months ago
Giordanico- a gsxr 750 has 150hp????? where are you getting your numbers at?
dmckenna68 1 year ago
@dmckenna68 GSX-R 750 claims 150hp, do some research. you'll find it
Kamkuru1 10 months ago
@dmckenna68 the 2011 gsxr 750 is more like 125 real rwhp. an 07 is 118 real rwhp
Ryknfjor 5 months ago
The first turn after the pit line remembers me the first of Portimato in Portugal! It's very similar: a turn to the right downhill!
Anyway Suzuki GSX-R 750 has 150 HP, the Ducati 848 "just" 134...
Anyway I LOVE DUCATI!
Giordanico 1 year ago
20cv di differenza
desmomark999 1 year ago
with two drivers of equal skill they would probably draw.... ducati shits on it in torque but as i said, a good inline four driver will ALWAYS be in the high revs... In which a ducati's torque is meaningless.
korefighter 1 year ago
Puta video bosra do caralho !!! Tem que ser igual no brasil coloca uma camera na moto e põe ela na Bandeirantes !!!!
kurtfurlan 1 year ago
dose eney 1 no if the ducati 848 is raster then the 600 for instence the r6,gsxr,daytona,,ninga,cbr, eney 1 no plz could u send a message ?
bazboyevo9 1 year ago
Dude on the GSXR could improve his riding posture...specifically head and arm positions.
kj7687 2 years ago
I was thinking the same thing. Looking at him, his arse is in the right position, aswell as his knee. He shouldent be trying to put his head and shoulders back up on the bike as if he was going in a straight line...
Nice video though.
Mago10993 2 years ago
Hi Guys Good vid' Ducati is a good looking bike but on the track against a Gixxer 750????? I don't know.
Squatmyster 2 years ago 2
750 has better acceleration, but top end, brakes, tyres, suspension all belong to the 848.
mitchellchapman1 2 years ago
With the difference in price i will make my 750 much better at brakes, suspension and tyres than any 848
ionootz83 2 years ago
Yes, this is good, but I'm a collector of fine things and the 848 is fine indeed.
mitchellchapman1 2 years ago
If it were a 1098 or 1198 yes, but the 848 brakes and suspension hardware really isn't much better if any to ones on a stock gixxer 750, they are standard Showa units and the really low end Brembo calipers. I have ridden both bikes, the Duc is sweet bike i find the gixxer 750 more forgiving when you enter the turn a hair too fast tho ;)
slowestz 2 years ago
@mitchellchapman1 Cline mine!!!! 750 is better from all points of view!!! 848 is just an imitation of 750!!!
siakattackj 2 years ago
@mitchellchapman1 Dude, the brakes, tyres, and suspension, fine...but you just said that an 848 has better top end than a GSXR 750, lol. What moron told you that ridiculous rubbish lol?
kj7687 2 years ago 6
@kj7687 lol another moron thats ridden both bikes. 848 shits all over gixer. And as for the acceleration the ducati has twice as much torque so how do people think that the gixer has better acceleration?
oneflyline96 1 year ago
The guy in front on the Suzuki has horrible body position, and he and the guy on the Ducati has horrible lines. If that's how they ride when they're testing, I don't think I'll put much stock in their opinions of the bikes. Everything changes when you get up to speed.
creedr6 2 years ago 2
though the gixxer might beat us in the straights, he can see us later with all the chix hanging around our way kool Ducati....while he hangs around with all the 1,000,000,000 18 year old squids with a Gixxer!
iducatifan 2 years ago 2
im sorry you depend on our bike to get you girls.
ErGalamay 2 years ago 4
suzuki rules
kukus79 2 years ago
kawasaki rulezz..!
lezantas 2 years ago
Let the Italian designer desin the look of the bike and let japan engineers and technicians to make it . It will be the best bike of the world
Rafal264 2 years ago 4
You wouldn't miss the V-twin?
Daemonocracy 2 years ago
ducati is better as a motorcycle but expensive...
konstantinosgko 2 years ago 2
1:55 looks like hes driving backwards xDD
RamirezGold 2 years ago 2
848 pias
fostenet 2 years ago
gsxr 750!
abinlukasabraham 2 years ago
♥Ducati 4 life...=D♥
apostolicshorty 2 years ago 22
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which is more fun to ride the R6 or GSXR 750?
rush2905 2 years ago
which one is better?
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hammerhead300 2 years ago 3
to dukearty below ; i do 20 thou a yr on sports bikes!! do you think an 848 could cope with high hard miles n track days thrown in.. i love this bike and its gonna cripple me financialy to get one but i dont mind if it lasts!!! whats the best ducati shop in the midlands uk? be carefull out there guys .. they are out to get us!!!
reeceparsons54 2 years ago
u r from UK and u want an italian bike :P
Im from greece and i love UK bikes :P Viva la triumph :P
Nomoredie 2 years ago
sti due non sanno proprio come guidare una moto
ska89bis 2 years ago
the rider dont know how to ride a bike
brodolot 2 years ago
Sorry but this just looks like a normal track day and not a real comparison of the Ducati vs GSXR. Plus both riders looked like they were afraid of dumping the bike and having to pay for the damages compared to actually riding it to it's limits.
But hey that just my $.02
techd2 2 years ago 6
ciao ciao ducati!
kukus79 3 years ago
LA GSX-R 750 VA VIA ALLA GRANDE!!!
ambrosi74 3 years ago
four wheels move the body, two... move the soul.
jasz07 3 years ago 28
more evenly matched than i thought!!
i miss almeria - it was good to see an onboard lap as a reminder!
dukearty 3 years ago
waste of MONEY!!!! get the 675 and then drop 4000 bucks into it and own... for a lightweight
jerk86 3 years ago
Pass that bike!!!!
joeybutafuco 3 years ago
low power ducati
hpz418997 3 years ago
I love how people who are jealous that can't afford a Ducati try to bust on the bike and compare their cookie cutter Gixxers to a masterpiece.
enzo848 3 years ago
I have to agree with you man, Ducati's are a Masterpeice in ELECTRICIAL WIRING NIGHTMARES for most of their poor owners who wish that their bikes were built like the Said cookie Gixer's
graham6824 3 years ago
wow! i had a 996 for 6 years and did over 20k road miles and spanked it for many track miles and a couple of races - the only electrical problem i had was the battery dying and the japanese made regulator packing up!
but i'd rather have my 675 than either the 848 or the gixxer now!
but none of them suck - the duc is just expensive.....
dukearty 3 years ago
only 20k in 6 years?
deddabouji 2 years ago
--"only 20k in 6 years?"---
The last 3 years was actually all track miles - the 996 is no comfy touring bike........
Besides, it was in the UK - how many decent biking days do you think we get?
LOL!
dukearty 2 years ago
i got a gixxer 6 that i have put around 50+k miles on in a year.. but like u said.. i live in florida so its bike weather year round and i dont got a car..
so i drive it everywhere
deddabouji 2 years ago
---"but like u said.. i live in florida so its bike weather year round"---
I hate you!!!! LOL!!
Yeah, my job takes me away from home for weeks at a time too
might have to make room for me down in FL - I track dayed Daytona last year....
dukearty 2 years ago
ahuahuahuahu ma perche' c era anche paragone tra una suz 750 e una 848???ahuhuaauh e' ovvio ke vince la suzuki :D
YaSaYtR3 3 years ago
proof that the 848 hangs with the 750
spanishboogie 3 years ago
what 400cc bike would you reccomend for £900 or under, can be any type of bikes
ZEDROGANA 3 years ago
Cuántos dicen que "si la mía pesa 4 kg menos". Sí, y tú pesas 15 kg más que yo, anda ya... O que si "en los test la mía va 0,5 s más rápido por vuelta" Y qué, si tú eres 10 segundos más lento que el probador... Esto es como la discusión en coches de que si tracción delantera o trasera. Allá cada uno, amí me gusta la Ducati, por marca, espíritu, varios factores que puden no tener nada que ver con la potencia, peso o tiempo de vuelta. Disfrutad y dejaos de tonterías, que no os pagan por ganar!
alamos8 3 years ago
Estoy deacuerdo con lo que voz diceis!!! no importa nada las decimas mas o menos, solo importa la libertad que sentis cuando vuelas...
cuatro nehumaticos mueven el cuerpo, dos... el alma....
jasz07 3 years ago 2
Parece que es imposible que cuando en el título aparece el término "VS", la gente no acabe insultándose. Vamos, que no somos peques... Las Ducati y las japos son dos formas de pilotar diferentes, distinto feeling, mismo objetivo: disfrutar!!! Y que cada cual se compre la que quiera (o pueda) y se olvide de que si una décima por aquí por o par allí, que si mas par en bajos, que si mas potencia en altos...
alamos8 3 years ago
para circuito prefiero antes la Ducati que cualquier japonesa, lo más importante en circuito es una buena tracción y un buen paso x curva, ducati es claramente superior a todas sus rivales en esos aspectos gracias a su motor bicilindico, chasis tubular y sistema desmo. por no decir que los frenos y las suspensiones de las ducati estan un paso x delante de las demás.
MakineroCgc 3 years ago
libro friki??, anda multivesa vete a dormir y despiertate, te han explicado cojonudamente la diferencia entre un motor tetra y otro bi y aun erre que erre, tu sigue con tus teorias, que gracias a tu manera de pensar voy al circuito los sabados y me fundo a gente como tu con muchos mas cvs y menos peso por no tener ni idea de las armas del rival, si tan mal van las ducati porque han ganado 12 de las 18 ediciones de las SBK?, la competicion mas famosa de motos derivadas de las de serie???ignorante
gambito3031 3 years ago
Both are great bikes.
Is just a question of personal choice!
I got the GSXR 750 K8.
But the Ducati is also very good!
SenhorMiguel 3 years ago 4
I mean:
The bikes that got 4 cilynders in line can get higher speed because they get more rotation.
SenhorMiguel 3 years ago
So much Theory! The V motors dont loose rotation so easly. So, the V motors got more acelaration.
But on bikes the 4 in line got higher speed.
On the trak is anouther story! Gotto have the SKILL!!!
SenhorMiguel 3 years ago
What a load of rubbish! They accelerate because the design and tuning of the engine means they produce more torque. Once you climb above the peak torque output, the acceleration relies on power output to keep accelerating. Inline 4's typically make more power but you have to keep the engine in the "power" section of the curve. This makes it more difficult to get the power down because the tyre doesn't have enough time to recover between power pulses and therefore slips.
veefwoar 3 years ago
On the track it isnt another story, Ducati has to have a CC advantage to come close to competing........read the stats.
triumph1974 3 years ago
and for your information Ducati runs an L engine, not a V
triumph1974 3 years ago
semantics
28hourslater 3 years ago 3
ENGINE
Type: L-Twin cylinder, 4 valve per cylinder Desmodromic, liquid cooled
Displacement: 849.4 cc
I wrote about the V and the 4 in line cylinders motors because every comment is about it.
The best or the worst bike donesn't means nothing to me. Bouth are great. No doubt.
Its all about your choice.
SenhorMiguel 3 years ago
umm. noooo... its called L because of the 90degree angle it has
ionfreak93 3 years ago
It is not just an L because of the 90 degree angle, you get 90 degree V's.........it is an L because it has one horizontal and one vertical cylinder. So how about you read and comprehend before you type.
triumph1974 3 years ago
The Ducati looks better, but the GSX-R sounds better. I've never liked the sound of v-twins.
Karat6 3 years ago
it's an L twin it think instead of a v
Drooce 3 years ago
Ducati like to call it L-twin, but it's really just a V-twin with 90 degrees between the cylinders.
Karat6 3 years ago 2
yeah i know. its just on an angle. check out the desmosedici v4 that bike sounds sweet AND is probably the prettiest bike i've ever seen.
Drooce 3 years ago
Como suena la Gsxr!!!!!!!!, en curvas se notan las manos y el de la Ducati va más fino,
racingp 3 years ago
I just bought an 848 on Saturday and it is absolutely amazing!
GetHye 3 years ago
Congrats! I tested one for the last two weekends. The first time I rode it, I called it satan! The second time, I realized what a truly well put together machine it is. It feels like it could do no wrong and go as fast as humanly necessary. Enjoy, you lucky rider!
MMRD50 3 years ago
the 848 is my dream bike. u r 1 lucky person
jgregz 3 years ago
i ride a duke,, but hey,, this is wat i say ,, BRING BACK GP500 ,, those were the days !!! yea boi!!
bluezmoke 3 years ago 2
V-twin motors are heavier which is part of the reason they get to be bigger... two heads vs 1 but the advantage isn't just for ducs, Its for any V-twin im pretty sure...
carwurk 3 years ago
"Why not just reduce 4's to 800cc and bring in a new 800cc class. Twins can be 999cc?"
Not many would want to buy a 800cc I-4 bike. The GSX-R 750 would sell like hot cakes but everyone wants MORE. SBK is a production bike series. The only reason the factories are in SBK is to SELL bikes.
professor3x 3 years ago
That's the way SBK was before the change. 4 cyl were limited to 750cc and twins 1000cc. It's difficult to spin a twin much over 11,000 rpm so they are limited for top end power by that. How do you think F1 cars get 800 hp out of 2,400 cc? 20,000 rpm!
x1xray 3 years ago 2
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Guyz these bikes are cool! But i have a gillera runner 125 and hell yeah it's faster than these stupid bikes men! If anybody have an agreement about this phone me to set a ride ok? Gillera 125cc rulleZ
kariolitsesre 3 years ago
Ha, ha, you're funny!
XCS911 3 years ago 7
basically i just wanna say, can everyone who doesn't know what they're talking about just shut the hell up! Ducati bikes are amazing. i'm assuming all of you who trash talk them probably haven't ridden one. also about the whole 1200cc with the twins and 1000cc with the 4cyl.... its so that they are both on a competitive level. if japan created a twin superbike it also would have to have a displacement of 1200cc to compete with the 1000cc 4cyl. so seriously shut up if you don't know.
italy430 3 years ago 8
In June 2007 the FIM announced that the engine capacity limit would increase to 1200cc for 2008.
NAKAKATAKOTAKO 3 years ago
Different engine characteristics. Twins have an advantage exiting turns etc. Also twins usually are easier on tyres. I think the first couple of meetings speak volumes about the new Ducati cup. Why not just reduce 4's to 800cc and bring in a new 800cc class. Twins can be 999cc? WSBK is now a joke.
tjcarr70 3 years ago
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so destroy all jap 1000cc lines jus for the ducati to keep its 1000cc?
then the public wouldnt buy the new jap bikes...
so no, that wouldnt happen
lobzdik 3 years ago
tanto ducati tanto ducati y luego mira.
no puede con la gsx a pesar d k tiene 100 cc mas y es bicilindrica, cosa k le permitiria entrar mejor en curva
multivesa 3 years ago
Multivesa yo lo plantearía de la siguiente manera: la Suzuki con 150 CV y 163 kg de peso no puede despegarse de una bicilíndrica con 134CV y 173kg. ¿Cómo se te queda el cuerpo entonces?
Vivan las Ducati, que con 2 perolos igualan a las tetras en rendimiento.
JackComet7 3 years ago 3
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no te pueden vender una moto como el ferrari d los coches y a ese precio cuando llega una cn menos cilindrada y se la funde literalmente,. el cuerpo bien gracias
multivesa 3 years ago
Una que te repito tiene 16CV más y 10kg menos de peso gracias a su motor tetra, y que no puede despegarse de la Ducati que es bi, y como bi que es necesita bastante más cilindrada que un tetra para igualar potencia. Y si la Ducati es tan exclusiva es precisamente por su motor bicilíndrico que tantos admiradores tiene, entre ellos yo mismo.
JackComet7 3 years ago 3
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no se si sabes algo de mecanica. pero el numero de cilindros no influye para nada en la potencia, ya que los dos cilindros son mas del doble de grandes que los de la suzuky, puesto que entre los dos tienen una capacidad de 848 cc y la suzuki entre cuatro hacen 749cc. en lo unico que influye es en la uniformidad de sus revoluciones y en ese sonido a ojalata que tiene la ducatti. incluso con la ventaja de un motor mejor para las curvas es incapaz d cogerla
multivesa 3 years ago
Me parece que el que habla sin saber eres tú.
Cito textualmente del libro Arias Paz "Mecánica de Motocicletas", 32ª Edición, página 45 (lo pongo en varios mensajes que no me cabe):
"Dejando a un lado consideraciones sobre la suavidad y regularidad de marcha [...] se puede afirmar que [...] siempre que se ha aumentado el número de cilindros ha sido en busca de mayor potencia. Esto es así porque en cualquier motor sólo existen dos formas de incrementarla con facilidad, que son aumentar la cilind
JackComet7 3 years ago 3
rada, o elevar el régimen de funcionamiento.
[...]
Es evidente, el mejor camino es dividir el trabajo entre varios cilindros. Éstos, al ser más pequeños, disponen de una masa menor que permite aumentar el régimen, de modo que se aumenta el número de explosiones en un mismo tiempo. ESTO COMPENSA LA MENOR CILINDRADA [...] Por tanto A IGUALDAD DE CILINDRADA SE AUMENTA LA POTENCIA DEL MOTOR. [...]
2.3 Ventajas e inconvenientes (del motor pluricilíndrico):
JackComet7 3 years ago 3
En primer lugar hay que destacar LA MAYOR POTENCIA PARA IGUAL CILINDRADA [...]. Siempre hay excepciones y marcas que, por distintos motivos, se especializan en motores concretos, por ejemplo DUCATI, que con sus bicilíndricos HA CONSEGUIDO BATIR EN MUCHAS OCASIONES A LOS MOTORES DE CUATRO CILINDROS [...]."
Como ves el número de cilindros de una moto AFECTA DIRECTAMENTE en la potencia que entrega AUNQUE LA CILINDRADA TOTAL del motor SEA MENOR que la de una bi. Así que lo extraño es que Ducati
JackComet7 3 years ago 2
con 2 cilindros logre igualar la potencia de los motores tetra, pero lo hace aumentando la cilindrada bastante por encima que la competencia tetra y empleando el sistema de accionamiento de válvulas desmodrómico.
Como ves alguna idea de mecánica tengo, y no hablo por hablar, de hecho asesoro en temas de mecánica en un foro de motos (por cierto bicilíndricas). Y por supuesto te invito a coger el Arias Paz de motocicletas o cualquier libro de mecánica de motores y comprobarás que lo que digo
JackComet7 3 years ago 3
es 100% cierto. Saludos.
JackComet7 3 years ago
el último mensaje se ha quedado descolocado no sé por qué... (Lee abajo).
JackComet7 3 years ago
Chico mucha idea no muestras la verdad,cuantos más cilindros tengas,mayor es el regimen de vueltas que puedes conseguir.Los tetras consiguen potencia a base de subir revoluciones del motor.Un ejemplo:las 600cc pueden subir hasta 15.000 o 16.000 vueltas,miéntras que un Bi no suele pasar de las 10.000rpm.Esto es porque los tetra si puéden ganar potencia aumentando sus revoluciones,miéntras que los bi,lo hacen a base de subir cilindrada.Antes de despotricar sobre algo que desconoces,documentate más
1SerchST3 3 years ago
tu sigue con tu libro friki, y pagando mas por menos prestaciones. de todas formas m dan igual todos sus esfuerzos y meritos. seguire comprando motos japonesas
multivesa 3 years ago
Y yo motos italianas. Libro friqui dice, por lo menos me informo antes de hablar sin tener ni puñetera idea de lo que hablo.
Saludos y hasta nunca, gente como tú sois los que hundís la imagen de los moteros y del mundo motero.
JackComet7 3 years ago
tengo mucha mas idea que tu, y no comprendo xk dices que undo la imagen de los moteros y del mundo motero. de todas formas m da igual. seguramente ni sikiera seas motero
multivesa 3 years ago
I love Ducati. I'm on my L's now and I bought a Honda VTR250 because I love the look and sound of the monster so much. But I think when it comes to racing technology the Japanese bikes are better. That said, once I'm off my L's I want a Ducati just because they sound so good!
worId 3 years ago
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the 848 is a nice bike but it has not not enough power...
CBRLeventCBR 3 years ago
Also, a busa or a zx14 would get WRECKED in racing. They'll pull away on the straights but will get PWNED in the turns. Its all about corner speed man. Perfect example, 800cc GP bikes are now lapping as fast or FASTER than the 990cc bikes from 2 years ago. So like I said, your arguments show you know nothing!
lexcruiser 3 years ago 8
WOW. There's NO POINT in trying to argue with people who lack reading comprehension. I hate to generalize the gixxer riding population, but there are admittedly A LOT of idiots riding gixxers, with two of them here trying to argue something they obviously know nothing about. Ducati no longer races in AMA SBK because a 1000cc V-twin is NOT competitive with 1000cc 4cyl's. That is why they allowed 1200cc in WSBK. Idiot! You can't look at engine size alone for power son!
lexcruiser 3 years ago 8
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i do ride. why should one company get a bigger engine so they can keep up. in ama superbike should yamaha, kawi, & honda get a extra cc's. they average about 4 to 8 secound slower per race would that be fair? of course not so why should they do the same for ducs. yes i do understand they create power differantly . the vtwins can get on the throttle sooner that is there advantage. if kawi or suzuki want to race the busa & zx14 would that be fair??
fastergixxer 3 years ago
Engine displacement is hardly the only thing that factors into power production in completely different types of engines. I think explaining the engineering behind this, and why you can't think the way you do, would be like explaining calculus to a 5 year old. WSBK is based on PRODUCTION BIKES, not on engine size, as in GP racing, so it is up to the racing committee to quantify the differences between engines, and decide what is allowed in each class.
rift321 3 years ago
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I cant wait for ducati to get beat by smaller better built machines. how can you claim they need more cc's they do fine in gp with the 800. they keeped ahead of all the jap bikes for that season. but for the Real bikes normal people can buy the need a 249 cc advantange.. that is pathetic..
fastergixxer 4 years ago
that would be because the gp ducati bike is a v4.
purefuckingdarkness 4 years ago 4
i hope fastergixxer doesn't actually ride a bike. i'd like to think that people from a slightly deeper gene pool represent riders.
Comparing V-twins and 4cyl bikes is like comparing 2 & 4 strokes.
Perhaps if you'd bothered to ever get out and ride a bike of any description you would realise this.
That 750 has some poke for sure!
roachman76 4 years ago 6
thats no lie! i have a k6 750 and i ran my friend on his 03 zx9. he had nothing to say for an excuse after the several times i beat him.
streetpunk99 3 years ago 2
90% rider/10% bike do do head..
downforce137 3 years ago 5
yeh i was about to tell these squids off, the slightest better in rideing skill will leave somone in the dust on the track
mylesrenaud 3 years ago
the Italian do it better..more better..
Ducati,MV Agusta,Morini,Guzzi,Laverda..etc...
these are dreams, the jap make only little bike...
GeroDa74 4 years ago
Italian bikes are good, but they're not better. They're different and special, but not better. A motorcycle is a motorcycle, Japanese or Italian, if you love it then it is your dream. Because in the end, motorcycles are machines, and we have the power to breathe life into them by loving it and riding it.
nehepyunji 4 years ago 6
Max respect my friends..but the bike is something more for a biker..and a ducati have a heart, and only if you have a heart ,you can feel it..
GeroDa74 4 years ago 2
I just love all bikes, Japanese Italian British... it doesn't matter I think they're all awesome. Pretty soon I'm going to buy a new bike, and I'm not sure if I want the new 1000RR or the 848...
nehepyunji 4 years ago 3
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actually it's not my dream to pay through the nose for a bike then pay through the nose to maintain it then get torn apart by japanese bikes that cost half as much.
Don't get me wrong, these are nice bikes to look at but i'm affraid thats's whre it ends.
nigeljames28 3 years ago
Ducati is MotoGP and Superbike winner.. Kiss my Italian ass..
wesone84 4 years ago 6
You guys... a twin and an inline four are COMPLETELY different bikes, and are better in different situations. (like twin having a lot more low end usable torque.) that is like comparing two stroke and four stroke dirt bikes... thats like saying my Supermoto is way better than all your ricer bikes, when it comes to cornering and handling hell yes, but after 60 mph your guys would eat me alive. Everything has its good and bad points, an gettin tail is good for anyone, dont act like you dont try.
glock19x300 4 years ago 9
Both are awesome bikes. The Ducati is a better looker but all things being equal it's never going to catch the R750. I'd be perfectly happy with either one.
a2birdcage 4 years ago 4
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the 848 is closer to a litrebike then a 600. that is pathetic how can you have the most powerful gp machine but cant build a race version of your streetbike without a cc advantage just to keep up.
fastergixxer 4 years ago
u idiot - V twins capacity isnt directly comparatable to an inline 4. And in 2008 WSB - inline fours are restricted to 1000cc whilst the vtwins are allowed 1200
MarvinTheAndroid 4 years ago 5
Wait Marvin don't flame the mentally handicap. If you have two cylinders(like a Ducati) you have half the power pulses of a four cylinder bike(like a GSXR750). So consequently you can't possibly make the same power. That is why the 1098(as in 1099cc like the 1098 Ducati) is allowed to race against GSXR1000's which are limited to 999cc. The GP Ducati is a V-4 (as in four cylinders) That's why it has 800cc like the rest of the GP bikes.
rcbuggy1 4 years ago 5
the 750 is king on the track
gixxernum1 4 years ago
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ducati needs to race there 1098 in the 600 class!!!
fastergixxer 4 years ago
The 848 wasn't built to race against a 750 anyway. It was for the 600 class. Not only that the 848 looks way better the the GSXR and sounds better.
rcbuggy1 4 years ago 5
Yeah the 848 was built for posers like that don't care about performance but only want to look good and pay for ridiculos high maintance costs. lol
kimotaco 4 years ago
What they hell is your problem? You should stop looking at bikes you no nothing about. You're the poser man. Talking about shit you don't know!
CentaurRacer44 4 years ago 2
it's true!!! high maintenance costs and no reliability, and stupid parts management, and ... and...all for what? because is ducatti??
ryucbr600rr 3 years ago
Haven't Ducati doubled the service internal of the 848 and 1098 and slashed the cost of servicing now?
swyatt2170 2 years ago
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Yeah, 848 was built for posers like you who don't care about performance and only want to try to look good like girls.
kimotaco 4 years ago
Ok. So we'll take our bikes and all the girls and go ride without you. Have fun!
rcbuggy1 4 years ago 3
might have been a bit better if the 848 driver hadn't kept missing apexes
GreyGhostR1 4 years ago 2
i'd rather have the gixxer and put the $2500 in upgrades to it. and then see which is faster.
fastergixxer 4 years ago
Then why are you watching a video about a Ducati? Aren't there enough gixxer videos to amuse you?
rcbuggy1 4 years ago
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We just like to watch little girls like you running to the stores to buy a dudcati. lol
kimotaco 4 years ago
The 750 is near perfect on track. The video shows it, too.
ShamanWS6 4 years ago
This is 2 Rootsey on the 750 r ya usin ur back brake around those corners or the front
JPThomp7 4 years ago
About bloody time that! Top ratings for welcomes.
raptorama 4 years ago
nice bit of footage! would have to go for the 848 for style, torque, and sound though!
kidda74 4 years ago 3
nice bit of riding from the gixer rider.
animal100000 4 years ago 2