if you look at the last clip vettel thinks he is in front and moves further out to get a bit route into the corner but isnt far enough infront of webber and hit him id say around 95% vettles fault and 5% webbers as he didnt mover over after vettles nose went in front but he wasnt required to do so
webber is to blaim he made his blocking move as vettel came round the corner as well as vettel was infront of mark giving him right of way mark needed to back off and no offence but Australians and Germans should not get involved in these arguments because they will all vote infavour of their country men (no racisam intended) anyway vettel has so much more driving skill than mark its unbelivable!
Webber had to see him in rear mirror you idiots... anyway, Vettel said his sorry about this... so stfu Australian pricks. Of course you think Vettel is bad guy, coz your beloved Mark is the best, I know... blabla.
Webber can't be blamed for holding his position and not backing off even if the car ahead was driven by a team mate... i would have done the same even if the other car was driven by my own dad
i am not a F1 expert but i know that the sport is about who is faster not who can force the others to slow down
Vettel had his axel in front of Webber indeed but their was no way in hell he would have made the corner with such speed unless he either braked way too early giving Webber the advantage... or force Webber to slow down by turning into him as he did
mw was to blame , Vettel had his front axle line in front of webbers, so he had the corner ( which was a left hander ) webber should of backed off and given his team mate the position . But we are talking about the "little boy" mentality of webber, he's a punk
it was Hamilton's fault, on the previous lap he was eating a bannana and threw the peal out the cockpit onto the track. Vettel slipped on the peel (we all know this happens as it has been proven on Mario kart) and collided with Webber. Moral of the story dont let monkeys drive maclarens.
Webber ne laisse pas assez de place à Vettel pour ce dépassement, qui se rabbat donc sur lui plus tôt, par peur de le percuter. Les deux pilotes sont responsable de ce doublé ruiné.
Vettel turned into Webber, you can see that from every angle, people say that Webber should have expected Vettel to move over, expecting it and allowing it are two very different things, All Webber did wrong here was not realise that Vettel did not have enough patience to wait until the corner to take the lead but instead he turned into Webber showing his impatience and immaturity, yet it is Vettel that ends up as world champion, how that happens considering he was the dirtiest driver out there.
Is Webber's fault. Vettel already passed him by the inside line of the track, and the deffender can defend is position 'til attacker's front wheels outweigh the defender's rear wheels. Webber was looking for the collision when he "correct" path a little to left, trying to get Vettel out of the track. also needs a psychologis ASAP, brcause after that, he ate Kovalainen's Lotus in Valencia, and in Korea, after his off-track and post accident, he took rosberg out of the race. Do you remember that?
@11naxoh11 first he held his line thats legal,then vettel moved across into webber vettels fault even ex f1 drivers say so. with kovalainen webber was not to know that he was breaking 50 meters earlyer then what he had been and the rosberg crash if you had looked into it you would find that webber caused alot of damage to his breaks so they did'nt work correctly along with the fact his steering was broken he had next to no control of the car.
definitely vettel´s fault, webber was protecting his position (thing that vettel should known) and I think vettel went to agressive on that move, maybe he think in that moment that just because he´s winning in a side by side race, webber should let him pass, but obviously vettel just got the half of the car of advantage and to win a side by side race you need to put the whole car in front of the rival´s car to earn the free pass to overtake.
And for the fact, neither drivers were on the racing line. By the time they hit, the racing line was all the way to the right of the track to prepare for the left handed turn.
Not sure why Webber would go left into Vettel's car instead of getting ready for the upcoming turn on the right side of the track.
webber fault, he see that vettel overtake him but don't move his wheel on the right for vettel have enough space for the next turn
For me when a driver his more fast than me and he his my teammate and a one-two his in game i'm let's past my teammate if it isn't my team mate i'm take the risk
@patukka24 I was laughing - well when I say that I mean delighted that McLaren could take full advantage of that mistake from the red bulls. I'm a McLaren fan so I wasn't bothered with that crash. I felt a bit sorry for webber tho - He still managed 3rd anyway, fair play to him for not strangling vettel after this
Webbers fault, trying to hold a position you've already lost is the most idiotic thing you can do when racing in any sport. Anyone who doesn't know this or doesn't understand why is either a casual onlooker or a very new fan or simply hates zee germans.
Vettels fault and I agree with ORE789 Im a McLaren fan myself so I was laughin. You think this is bad, watch vettel at spa 2010. Button had his race destroyed by him and he hit almost every other car on the grid
Vettle obviously gt greedy and wanted to take the win. Whilendoing this they screwed the whole red bull team and hamilton and button took a 1,2. Im a hamilton good news at that race :)
@stealthysmirth If you watch Vettel from outside in front his car turns right pretty abruptly, you'd need lightening reflexes to avoid him. From inside Vettel's car I don't see him steering it that way . It looks like the car just took off on him, watch their hands, Vettel is busy, Webber is smooth, but right before they hit Vettel's are actually not moving for once and he's aimed straight. Webber is shading it to the right in general. I think Vettel's car got away from him just a tad too much
Webber was defending aggressively by squeezing to the left after falling for Vettels dummy move to the right .
The racing line is on the right of the track & knowing full well Vettel had no line of sight to him Webber still wasn’t willing to yield or even prepared to react for the obvious change of direction from Vettel towards the racing line for the next corner.
Once Vettel had passed him, Webber should have yielded and moved back onto the RACING LINE
@ooOlMARKlOoo Webber was on the racing line and didnt have to move. It is quite clearly Vettel's fault because alll he had to do was hold his line into the corner and Webber would have been forced to go around him at the corner and Vettel would have found himself in first place, but Vettel had no patience and decided to crash into Webber, It's thats simple.
@eddy12325 Webber was not on the racing line!!! If you want to argue this fact then take a look at Webbers onboard qualifying lap and see that at the same point he is totally to the right of the track which IS the racing line.
There's no doubt that Vettel hit Webber at all and this fact is were anyone who only understand racing from a spectator’s point of view gets it completely wrong. Webber should have expected Vettel to move across and was not prepared for this or to allow this.
@eddy12325 that's the most idiotic comment I've ever read. Webber saw that Vettel passed him and should have let him go by moving more to the right. Looking at Vettel's onboard cam, his left front tire was always on the line and instead of Webber concede the position because he was already passed, should've have eased off, but he instead ramed his left front tire on the side of Vettel's car.
@Lavic79 Yeah it's obviously Webbers fault when Vettel turns into Webber causing a very avoidable crash. Even if Webber wasnt on the racing line, he has no responsibility to move cross to help out the opposition which Vettel is in everyway, as I have said before all Vettel had to was hold his line into the corner and he would have taken the lead instead his impatience led to him crashing into Webber and out of the race.
@Lavic79 vettel had not completed the pass so webber should'nt of gave him more room it's racing remember not a drive to work also vettel was on the dirty line so webber was holding his ground knowing that vettel would have to get of the power first meaning that webber would hold his position vettel on the other had moved across a couple of times webber did'nt move but vettel decided to make a final move anyway causing the crash and the fact is all ex f1 drivers have said it was vettels fault
Webber was defending aggressively by squeezing to the left after falling for Vettels dummy move to the right.
The racing line is on the right of the track & knowing full well Vettel had no line of sight to him Webber still wasn’t willing to yield or even prepared to react for the obvious change of direction from Vettel towards the racing line for the next corner.
Once Vettel had passed him, Webber should have yielded and moved back onto the RACING LINE.
If you look at Webber´s head movements, he is first looking to the right side and discovers Vettel is closing in. Then he moves his head to the left to finally closes the door for Vettel. Vettel is way faster, so the fault is Webber! It has nothing to do with Webbers origin, I would say it´s a childish comment. Im just pointing out facts and If you are familiar with the track racing with a simulator it is clear Webber is going out of the racingline.
@wentakura Webber makes one defensive when me tries to close the inner line. Webber keeps that line throughout the whole incident! Vettel on the other hand takes the inner line with the greater speed and violates Webbers line before he is actually past him. Which makes it Vettels fault!
@Krames92 vettel was past webber when this incident happened. he just wasnt completely clear obviously. webber just pulled a dick move on his teammate and tried to hold him to tight to the inside so he wouldnt be able to negotiate the approaching tight left hand turn. vettels only mistake was hoping webber would do the right thing and give him the necessary room to make the next turn since his car was 75% past webbers and still gaining.
@didickcheeseburger This is the fight for first place, no race driver with respect for himself would be a good guy a actually make the overtaking easier.. And no rules says they have to do it! Webber is going straight and Vettel is quite clearly hitting Webber. Vettel had the overtake in the bag, if he had just continued straight and broken the same time as Webber he would have the inner line for the next corner!
@Krames92 bullshit. vettel was in horrible position to try to negotiate the next turn. its pretty much a hairpin and you need room to apex it properly. this is exactly why webber was holding his teammate to the inside of the track. i just cant get over that webber was so much slower and was still willing to pull such a desperate move on his own teammate. teammates are supposed to race clean so the faster man wins. vettel wasnt asking for a handout like alonso in germany. he didnt need it
@didickcheeseburger they were competing for the championship, Webber shouldn't just be expected to yield like he's teammates with Michael Schumacher. Webber had the line, and he didn't wan to give it up. Vettel made a rash and desperate move.
@MadOldPete you cant compare msc/ferrari. ferrari would order msc teammates to allow him to overtake. vettel was already easily overtaking webber on his own. webber just tried to squeeze him to the inside of the track to screw up his approach to the next turn which was wrong of webber. its not a handout from webber since vettel was in the lead when webber was trying to hold him to the inside. it just wouldve been courtesy to give his teammate the necessary room.
When you look at this from the camera on Vettel's car it is still his fault, he was clearly going to overtake Webber if only he had of maintained his line into the corner, but no, he needlessly turns into Webber and takes himself out of the race, what an idiot.
@eddy12325 needlessly? vettel could never make the next turn since webber squeezed him to the inside so much. i understand webber dont wanna give up first place but vettel had such a run and was so far past that webber just needs to know when to accept that he has been overtaken. its a fact that vettel was clearly the race leader and webber shouldve given him some room.
@didickcheeseburger So Webber squeezed him and forced him to crash into him, nice try man, but if you watch the video, all Webber does is hold his line which is all he has to do, and what does Vettel do in response, he turns and crashes into Webber, there was nothing Webber could do as he had no idea that Vettel was about to turn into him.
@eddy12325 bottom line is that you dont squeeze out your teammate just to screw him cuz hes faster than you. webber knows this and this is why he dont scold vettel for the incident like unknowing fans do. if you know about racing you can tell webbers intentions from his onboard and you would know what vettel was trying to do when they made contact. most people who dont really know anything other than 'try to go fast' and they just say to themselves "what the fuck was that?"
@didickcheeseburger I know what Vettel was trying to do, he wanted the clean line on the track into the corner and Webber has no responsibility to get out of the way and give it to him. Even if he wanted to move out of the way when Vettel turned into him because Vettel did it so quickly that Webber had no time to react, all Webber did was hold his line and Vettel crashed into him, its that simple.
@didickcheeseburger Webber can keep Vettel pinned down low till he reaches the corner, but had Vettel maintianed a straight line and no contact had occured, he could have run Webber wide in the upcoming corner, both of them were kinda screwed for a clean corner at that point if no one gave ground. I believe Vettel's car just got away from him a touch, and was too close when it happened. Watch their hands, expecially Vettel's, he didn't turn that car right, it did it by itself. He said as much
@505197 i think vettel was trying to tell webber to give him room but webber didnt budge and they touched. it didnt look like any driving error on vettels part. youre right that vettel wouldve ran webber wide at the next turn had he stayed straight. webber stood no chance to benefit any way you look at it which is exactly why there was no reason for him to be such a bitch about vettel overtaking him.
U can't possibly say this was Webbers fault just cos hes Australian u saw him he moved out of vetels way & tried to go to the right hand Side of the track to turn the corner faster expecting webber to back off what h
@glcn11 no. do u understand the racing line? you sway to the right, then left. thats why it is webbers fault. did a stupid squeeze on vettel off the racing line. vettel was completely innocent.
I'm guessing Vettel thought he was a bit farther from Webber than he really was. If I were Webber I would have slowed down for just a moment and let Vettel pass.
Watch the steering wheel of webber, then the wheel of vettel. Vettel was always coming slowly to the right(into webber), while webber was always holding a small degree of right(not enough to just let vettel past, but away from vettel at all times)
Vettels fault.
Webbers fault for spinning off with nobody around him in korea.
Hamiltons fault for a few avoidable accidents.
Vettels fault for crashing into button in spa.
Ferraris fault for screwing up Alonsos strategy in Abu Dhabi.
I see Webber holding his defensive line (which he's allowed) and Vettel attempting to move over too soon. While Vettel is beside I don't see any attempt by Webber to move toward Vettel. Blame- Vettel.
Vettel is to blame - no question. Watch the shots from the cockpits - Webber holds his line, as he is entitled to do, but Vettel turns right, trying to push Webber wider. Vettel was very silly, not for the first time - he has previous!
ofcourse it's webber his fault.. if u look @ vettel his onboard you see him steering slowly towards his braking point and the "almost correct"line he gave webber the most time to react to it.. but webber didnt went to the normal racing line wich caused the collision so webber WAS NOT at the racing line and he should have given vettel the room because vettel was already passed him..
True its vettel's Fault. First it was an unwanted move at this part of the race, second he shouldnt have moved to the right after getting next to webber. Third his inexperience to be blamed. From Webber's part he could have given little more space. End of the day Redbull at loss.
@pummyy no, wrong. Vettel was under pressure to move right because the next corner was incoming fast and staying left would have ment that webber overtakes vettel again .
vettel fault...taking the inside line, and then slamming the door with webber still on it. It´s quite simple, he wanted to get back to the racing line before he got dust from the track in the corner, that would be a even greater mistake.
@AlexOoiue Vettel was going for the racing line which gives him optimum grip to take that tight corner. Of course Vetttel could always stay in that inside line and bravely take the corner. It was very tight with no time to think. Racing incident.
Webber kept to the line which everyone else took if look closesly at Hamilton just a little bit behind, Vettel gets too overaggressive and doesn't realise theres grass on the left. Thata what you expect a rookie to do... wait my bad..
Vettel is going to fail defending, the wrong champion won, and the worst champion in history
@jordie38 webber wasnt holding any line. he was defending his position. the line moves to the right side approaching the left hand turn. he starts doing that but noticed vettel was faster and beginning to overtake so he got defensive. its obvious if you watch without bias but unfortunately nobody does. fucking fanatics.
the decent thing for webber to do wouldve been to give his teammate room. especially since vettels entire car was almost ahead of him. dick move by webber.
It was Webber's fault, he had no reason to go that far left, since a left turn was coming up up, except to purposely block his own teammate which is just stubborn and stupid
@bear532 webbers fault??? look again. you can CLEARLY see that webber is on the racing line, whereas vettel is trying to overtake on the inside. how can it possible be webbers fault when CLEARLY vettel drives straight into webber? people like you must have the iq of a peanut.
The better driver ended up winning the title, but in this incident, Vettel clearly goes searching for a wider line, expecting Webber to move wider as well. He had no reason to expect that from him. Webber correctly held his line - thinking ahead to the next right hander where he'd likely retake Vettel and show off some nice clean racing. In the end though, he ended up getting cleaned up by Vettel.
Congrats to Seb, but honestly.. Alonso or Schumi in the same car, it would've been an easy season.
People only remember winners at the end of the day , it was vettel who came out on top , who was 3rd again i cant remember? o yea some bitching moaning australian .
vettels to blame. the stupid idiot crossed infront of him. and i dont care if hes world champion at 23 years old. who gives a fuck? he caused the crash and blamed webber! real drivers dont blame others for their mistakes!
@quattro248 All Vettel proved was that he could drive the fastest, best-designed car on the grid well. And he only got his act together in the last 5 races. This should've been an easy season for him. Instead of calling it the most entertaining season ever with five drivers in contention at the penultimate round. This should've been a season reminiscent of 2002 or 2004. If he doesn't have a car that can give him pole position half the time this year, then his chances of title retention are zero.
@MoNercy And this make him driffent how? every driver in history that won a world title usually had the best car all season or at some stage of a season like button .
@quattro248 Button had his act together from the beginning of the season and defended his lead well. 2007 and 2008 saw an ebb and flow of car dominance race-to-race between Ferrari and McLaren. But Vettel's inability to convert his pole positions into wins showed how far he has to come. If he'd lost the title, it would've a rather embarassing statistic.
They say beating your teammate is the best determinent of performance. Well, he doubled Webber's poles, but only barely earned more points.
@MoNercy Like i said people only remember the outcome of a season , and Vettel is world champion thats it .Bahrain vettel had spark plug failure , break failure in australia, engine in Korea ,tyre failure in britian ,low oil pressure in spain, gearbox issue in canada ,cracked chassie for 3 races and so on , yes he made mistakes as well but he overcame all this like a true champion , so when you talk of his inability to convert poles to wins you should do you homework first ,
@quattro248 Fair point. Looking at some of the other comments you've made in other F1-related videos, it's probably better at this point to put an end to the discussion and just enjoy the video (where Vettel was clearly at fault).
@quattro248 Webber won in silverstone on Vettel's cracked, albeit 'repaired' chassis but I agree with you 100% that he is a very deserving champion and would have dominated the season if the RB6 was not so fragile.
A mistake by Vettel trusting that his team-mate would know better. Hamilton and Button had similar traits with no touching, that's because as Stewart has noticed Button is the closest thing to a smooth driving as it can get. Webber is not for smoothness, he hardly notices when he is round beaten. Where would Webber be if not for Red Bull? Vettel even wins on a Toro Rosso, a back-marker.
@mrrn100 No see the two McLaren drivers also touched just laps after this happened. Of cause nothing really happened, but they were rubbing wheels and that could easily have ended just as bad as this did.
@mrrn100 Toro Rosso weren't a backmarker team that day. Sebastian Bourdais qualified fourth, after all. And I don't follow all this "Where would Webber be if not for RB" business. He chose to leave Williams and join Red Bull on his own terms. It's not like Williams sacked him and then Red Bull picked the poor guy up off the street. And he's played his part for the team. Would the Red Bull in 2007-8 have picked up as many points if it was Klien was still driving it?
@VIVO336 no its not if you look at the beging of the video u see that webber did not move his steering wheel left at all instead vettel turned right into webber because he thinks hes all that
@VIVO336 Why should Webber have to move, he has every right to hold his line, and even if he wanted to avoid the Vettel-caused contact, he had no chance to move as it all happened so quickly, after Vettel made his decision that I want the good line regardless of the consequences.
Vettel fault in my view as it is vettel who took the narrow line which is almost impossible and on the onboard view of vettel,look closely as vettel turns
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Most F1 drivers suck in traffic, and this is proof of the minor league level they are at. it was a simple pass by two crappy drivers. After all it's F1, what did you expect, skill? If you never ran inches apart at 225 MPH in a tight pack of open wheel cars for an hour, how will you learn. Bring your fancy pants cars to talladega and run @ 240 MPH in a pack and then i'll go to an F1 race. Otherwise your all gay, F1 is gay, the fans are gay, the tracks are gay, the cars are gay and so are you.
Vettel moves over, watch the line on the side of the track, its perfectly straight and then it moves away from Vettels car, meaning one thing! Vettel moved over!!
Vettels fault! SIENCE !!
And now he WC, having the best car doesnt make you good at overtaking, neither does it make you the best, Alonso and Hamilton are the best for being able to stay in the hunt for the title up till the last race in cars that maybe were the fastest for 2 or 3 races, not 16, Webber and Vettel are Shit, RB gud
@carbonfreak989 I think you should look up what 75% means... when vettal's rear wheel connects half-way along webbers car, i would call that closer to 50%... even old helmet agrees when he said vettel was 2m (out of a 4m car) ahead.
To everyone else, yeah webber could have conceded ground, but why should he, its vettel's job to overtake. Vettel is clearly a fast driver, but he definitely needs to work on his overtaking skills.
@smokey8D not while hes beside someone, you can still take that corner while staying on the far left side of the track, just make sure your oponent stays on your right and doesnt cut underneath you and switch back
@mrbtree Vettel cant see Webber at the mirrors because hes not behind him
hes beside him.Webber can see Vettel and should to turn right like hamilton againstbutton a few rounds later.than he came better to the corners and maybe he can overtake Vettel again on the finish straight
Webber had no other chance to defent his Positon because Vettel past him
@status1100 pause at 12, 13 seconds his mirrors are infront of webbers car which makes this vettels fault and this proves that vettel had a bad weekend and should of used his mirrors so at least the team could have a 1, 2 finish instead of a
everyone knows the onnace is on the overtaking driver. but i suspect this was team orders n webber said fuck u im not doing it. so the team turned his engine down for abit and vettel drove straight past him but.. this was the result. anyone remeber monza? brake fade or something? teams turned vettels engines down webber goes past.. like hell there isnt team orders in f1.. difference is ferrari made it blantly obvious.
Vettel was given enough room to go down the inside, but he shouldn't of moved to the right so quickly for the corner.
Webber knew that Vettel was going to pass him(why he moved over to the left) and Vettel had the line for the corner, Webber's a formula 1 driver, he would have easily saw Vettel coming over to him and he should have moved, but he's that solid that he doesn't take any notice.
I as a "vettel fan boy" also have to say - leaving out emotions - that it was rather sebastians fault. Of course there are always 2 guys and mark could have prevented the crash but despite that you have to say 80 per cent go to seb. He's been blamed enough for that and spa and as always he will learn from it and wont make the same mistake twice. All in all one has to say he's a deserved champion not like button last year. Hope hamilton and him will both win 8 further titles in the next 16 years!
@wilmajacki I'm a Vettel fan too and I can also see it's his fault. Not entirely mind you, Webber was being overly defensive and leaving him absolutely no room to pass. What did he expect? Don't see why everyone so uptight about it anyway - Sebastian made a mistake and he had to pay for that mistake. Mark still got the podium, it could've been worse.
with vettel's onboard, his steering wheel is turned right. look at his left wheel get farther and farther from the white line. vettel's fault no doubt. he's an amazing driver, but i mean come on... if you say this is webber's fault, you are a vettel fanboy or a webber hater.
it dont matter how many times i watch this the answer is always the same, yes vettel was quicker behind webber, yes vettel was overtaking legaly, but webber had track position he didnt have to give it up for vettel, and webber had the driving line! vettel overtook the wrong side then moved over into webber! i look at it this way... they came together, vettel was edging to the right and webber was driving straight you can see this here so vettel hit webber and caused the crash
vettel have to work on his skills , he is too much overrated... so grow vettel go
RoodmanAJ 11 months ago
vetel is a bit of a nob.
HarvJ95 11 months ago
"who's to blame ?" you for the music...
cantor0305 11 months ago
vettel se le puso en frente
y lo rosso
serqueg10 11 months ago
best thing i've seen at 0:37 (in the background)
vicxon100 11 months ago
@vicxon100 tractor!!!!!!
mrlister83 11 months ago
@mrlister83 hamilton !!!!!!!!!!!!duhhhh XD
vicxon100 11 months ago
Duh! Vettel!
faroutadventures 11 months ago
if you look at the last clip vettel thinks he is in front and moves further out to get a bit route into the corner but isnt far enough infront of webber and hit him id say around 95% vettles fault and 5% webbers as he didnt mover over after vettles nose went in front but he wasnt required to do so
XxKEFLUxX 11 months ago
boths fault, vettel overtook him and had the nose in front of him, webber should let him overtake, but he didnt ...
powaa4u 11 months ago
webber shouldve givin vettel more room but webber didnt move it was vettels fault
usasprintseries2010 11 months ago
My guess is that vettel was expecting webber to turn but webber didnt, but it wasnt a smart move from vettel!!!
someonenumber88 11 months ago
webber is to blaim he made his blocking move as vettel came round the corner as well as vettel was infront of mark giving him right of way mark needed to back off and no offence but Australians and Germans should not get involved in these arguments because they will all vote infavour of their country men (no racisam intended) anyway vettel has so much more driving skill than mark its unbelivable!
SquidAlex117 11 months ago
@SquidAlex117 webbers fault?
watch webbers hands, he holds a straight line and vettel comes across him, 100% down to vettel being greedy.
chrishowe 11 months ago 5
This has been flagged as spam show
@chrishowe yes, like i said no regulation says that mark has to move with sebastian. seb should have stayed to the inside!
THEWALKTHROUGHSPS3 11 months ago
Sebastien's fault. no regulation says that mark has to move with seb. seb should have stayed to the inside!
THEWALKTHROUGHSPS3 11 months ago
Webber had to see him in rear mirror you idiots... anyway, Vettel said his sorry about this... so stfu Australian pricks. Of course you think Vettel is bad guy, coz your beloved Mark is the best, I know... blabla.
Poky95 11 months ago
vettel you little prick what the fuck were you thinking?
PortAdelaideTV 11 months ago 6
Webber can't be blamed for holding his position and not backing off even if the car ahead was driven by a team mate... i would have done the same even if the other car was driven by my own dad
mmamdouh75 11 months ago
i am not a F1 expert but i know that the sport is about who is faster not who can force the others to slow down
Vettel had his axel in front of Webber indeed but their was no way in hell he would have made the corner with such speed unless he either braked way too early giving Webber the advantage... or force Webber to slow down by turning into him as he did
mmamdouh75 11 months ago
mw was to blame , Vettel had his front axle line in front of webbers, so he had the corner ( which was a left hander ) webber should of backed off and given his team mate the position . But we are talking about the "little boy" mentality of webber, he's a punk
johans7 11 months ago
Webber was actually steering away from Vettel, look carefully at 0:12
retermin101 11 months ago
it was Hamilton's fault, on the previous lap he was eating a bannana and threw the peal out the cockpit onto the track. Vettel slipped on the peel (we all know this happens as it has been proven on Mario kart) and collided with Webber. Moral of the story dont let monkeys drive maclarens.
inboundDMC 11 months ago
@inboundDMC
Were you being racist, or implying that Hamilton is dumb?
ImprovedMexican 11 months ago
@inboundDMC Well that monkey is a WORLD CHAMPION SO STFU!!! You racist douchebag!
xcruzrr6 11 months ago
@inboundDMC racist fucking bastard. you are jealous that mark webber is not a world champion
ff7walkthru 11 months ago
Webber ne laisse pas assez de place à Vettel pour ce dépassement, qui se rabbat donc sur lui plus tôt, par peur de le percuter. Les deux pilotes sont responsable de ce doublé ruiné.
Heidfeld06 11 months ago
Who's to blame? Webber!
sebashuis 11 months ago
Vettel turned into Webber, you can see that from every angle, people say that Webber should have expected Vettel to move over, expecting it and allowing it are two very different things, All Webber did wrong here was not realise that Vettel did not have enough patience to wait until the corner to take the lead but instead he turned into Webber showing his impatience and immaturity, yet it is Vettel that ends up as world champion, how that happens considering he was the dirtiest driver out there.
eddy12325 11 months ago
@eddy12325 i think it was vettels fault but you are from australia so you would really favour webber
ff7walkthru 11 months ago
both are blamable. Discussion end
Battlechoir5 1 year ago
no one's webber held his line and vettel touched webber has EVERY right to keep that spot
ryang5598 1 year ago
Is Webber's fault. Vettel already passed him by the inside line of the track, and the deffender can defend is position 'til attacker's front wheels outweigh the defender's rear wheels. Webber was looking for the collision when he "correct" path a little to left, trying to get Vettel out of the track. also needs a psychologis ASAP, brcause after that, he ate Kovalainen's Lotus in Valencia, and in Korea, after his off-track and post accident, he took rosberg out of the race. Do you remember that?
11naxoh11 1 year ago
@11naxoh11 first he held his line thats legal,then vettel moved across into webber vettels fault even ex f1 drivers say so. with kovalainen webber was not to know that he was breaking 50 meters earlyer then what he had been and the rosberg crash if you had looked into it you would find that webber caused alot of damage to his breaks so they did'nt work correctly along with the fact his steering was broken he had next to no control of the car.
nachospole1 1 year ago
@11naxoh11 look at webbers hands at the begining he never turned into vettel
jeffg24LT21 11 months ago
definitely vettel´s fault, webber was protecting his position (thing that vettel should known) and I think vettel went to agressive on that move, maybe he think in that moment that just because he´s winning in a side by side race, webber should let him pass, but obviously vettel just got the half of the car of advantage and to win a side by side race you need to put the whole car in front of the rival´s car to earn the free pass to overtake.
TheDANGERADRIAN 1 year ago
And for the fact, neither drivers were on the racing line. By the time they hit, the racing line was all the way to the right of the track to prepare for the left handed turn.
Not sure why Webber would go left into Vettel's car instead of getting ready for the upcoming turn on the right side of the track.
Lavic79 1 year ago
webber fault, he see that vettel overtake him but don't move his wheel on the right for vettel have enough space for the next turn
For me when a driver his more fast than me and he his my teammate and a one-two his in game i'm let's past my teammate if it isn't my team mate i'm take the risk
rer161 1 year ago
completely vettels fault... trying to push his team mate over, what a cock hey... was funny as hell though ..
sisley1705 1 year ago
@patukka24 I was laughing - well when I say that I mean delighted that McLaren could take full advantage of that mistake from the red bulls. I'm a McLaren fan so I wasn't bothered with that crash. I felt a bit sorry for webber tho - He still managed 3rd anyway, fair play to him for not strangling vettel after this
richboy900 1 year ago
Webbers fault, trying to hold a position you've already lost is the most idiotic thing you can do when racing in any sport. Anyone who doesn't know this or doesn't understand why is either a casual onlooker or a very new fan or simply hates zee germans.
Foxx1981 1 year ago
Vettels fault and I agree with ORE789 Im a McLaren fan myself so I was laughin. You think this is bad, watch vettel at spa 2010. Button had his race destroyed by him and he hit almost every other car on the grid
richboy900 1 year ago
Vettle obviously gt greedy and wanted to take the win. Whilendoing this they screwed the whole red bull team and hamilton and button took a 1,2. Im a hamilton good news at that race :)
ORE0789 1 year ago
angry german kid did it again ;)
rexuro64 1 year ago
Its vettels fault, a seasoned overtaker would have held the line and adjusted his braking for being on the dirty side, thus overtaking webber.
But vettel is used to pole and then victory, and badly needed to find his normal braking zone.
Its for 1st place and webber wasnt going to yield ( knowing about the braking zone).
Vettel turned to early (probably inexperience) and ended his race prematurely.
VETTELS fault, but he is world champion so he wont care.
stealthysmirth 1 year ago
@stealthysmirth If you watch Vettel from outside in front his car turns right pretty abruptly, you'd need lightening reflexes to avoid him. From inside Vettel's car I don't see him steering it that way . It looks like the car just took off on him, watch their hands, Vettel is busy, Webber is smooth, but right before they hit Vettel's are actually not moving for once and he's aimed straight. Webber is shading it to the right in general. I think Vettel's car got away from him just a tad too much
505197 1 year ago
@505197 i see what your saying, but from vettels view you can see he is slowly jogging his sterring wheel right and eventually he makes contact.
stealthysmirth 1 year ago
@505197 But if you see vettels camera view you see him slowly jogg the steering wheel right, into webber
stealthysmirth 1 year ago
7 people are Vettel fans.
TobHussey 1 year ago 2
Webber was defending aggressively by squeezing to the left after falling for Vettels dummy move to the right .
The racing line is on the right of the track & knowing full well Vettel had no line of sight to him Webber still wasn’t willing to yield or even prepared to react for the obvious change of direction from Vettel towards the racing line for the next corner.
Once Vettel had passed him, Webber should have yielded and moved back onto the RACING LINE
ooOlMARKlOoo 1 year ago
@ooOlMARKlOoo Webber was on the racing line and didnt have to move. It is quite clearly Vettel's fault because alll he had to do was hold his line into the corner and Webber would have been forced to go around him at the corner and Vettel would have found himself in first place, but Vettel had no patience and decided to crash into Webber, It's thats simple.
eddy12325 1 year ago
@eddy12325 Webber was not on the racing line!!! If you want to argue this fact then take a look at Webbers onboard qualifying lap and see that at the same point he is totally to the right of the track which IS the racing line.
There's no doubt that Vettel hit Webber at all and this fact is were anyone who only understand racing from a spectator’s point of view gets it completely wrong. Webber should have expected Vettel to move across and was not prepared for this or to allow this.
ooOlMARKlOoo 1 year ago
@eddy12325 that's the most idiotic comment I've ever read. Webber saw that Vettel passed him and should have let him go by moving more to the right. Looking at Vettel's onboard cam, his left front tire was always on the line and instead of Webber concede the position because he was already passed, should've have eased off, but he instead ramed his left front tire on the side of Vettel's car.
Webber is a failure and always has been.
Lavic79 1 year ago
@Lavic79 Yeah it's obviously Webbers fault when Vettel turns into Webber causing a very avoidable crash. Even if Webber wasnt on the racing line, he has no responsibility to move cross to help out the opposition which Vettel is in everyway, as I have said before all Vettel had to was hold his line into the corner and he would have taken the lead instead his impatience led to him crashing into Webber and out of the race.
eddy12325 1 year ago
@Lavic79 You're a fuck wit!
Hoobee26 1 year ago
@Lavic79 vettel had not completed the pass so webber should'nt of gave him more room it's racing remember not a drive to work also vettel was on the dirty line so webber was holding his ground knowing that vettel would have to get of the power first meaning that webber would hold his position vettel on the other had moved across a couple of times webber did'nt move but vettel decided to make a final move anyway causing the crash and the fact is all ex f1 drivers have said it was vettels fault
nachospole1 1 year ago
Comment removed
ooOlMARKlOoo 1 year ago
Crash made my day....
Keidoupe 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Webber was defending aggressively by squeezing to the left after falling for Vettels dummy move to the right.
The racing line is on the right of the track & knowing full well Vettel had no line of sight to him Webber still wasn’t willing to yield or even prepared to react for the obvious change of direction from Vettel towards the racing line for the next corner.
Once Vettel had passed him, Webber should have yielded and moved back onto the RACING LINE.
ooOlMARKlOoo 1 year ago
it has to be vettel
Mrtim592 1 year ago
If you look at Webber´s head movements, he is first looking to the right side and discovers Vettel is closing in. Then he moves his head to the left to finally closes the door for Vettel. Vettel is way faster, so the fault is Webber! It has nothing to do with Webbers origin, I would say it´s a childish comment. Im just pointing out facts and If you are familiar with the track racing with a simulator it is clear Webber is going out of the racingline.
wentakura 1 year ago
@wentakura Webber makes one defensive when me tries to close the inner line. Webber keeps that line throughout the whole incident! Vettel on the other hand takes the inner line with the greater speed and violates Webbers line before he is actually past him. Which makes it Vettels fault!
Krames92 1 year ago
@Krames92 vettel was past webber when this incident happened. he just wasnt completely clear obviously. webber just pulled a dick move on his teammate and tried to hold him to tight to the inside so he wouldnt be able to negotiate the approaching tight left hand turn. vettels only mistake was hoping webber would do the right thing and give him the necessary room to make the next turn since his car was 75% past webbers and still gaining.
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
@didickcheeseburger This is the fight for first place, no race driver with respect for himself would be a good guy a actually make the overtaking easier.. And no rules says they have to do it! Webber is going straight and Vettel is quite clearly hitting Webber. Vettel had the overtake in the bag, if he had just continued straight and broken the same time as Webber he would have the inner line for the next corner!
Krames92 1 year ago
Comment removed
ooOlMARKlOoo 1 year ago
@Krames92 bullshit. vettel was in horrible position to try to negotiate the next turn. its pretty much a hairpin and you need room to apex it properly. this is exactly why webber was holding his teammate to the inside of the track. i just cant get over that webber was so much slower and was still willing to pull such a desperate move on his own teammate. teammates are supposed to race clean so the faster man wins. vettel wasnt asking for a handout like alonso in germany. he didnt need it
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
@didickcheeseburger
Webber didn't change direction. Vettel did.
If there is a car next to him... maybe he should not pretend there isn't!
Yes, if Webber jumped over to the right, then Vettel would have had more room... Not sure this fact makes it Webbers fault?! lol
jimnebob 1 year ago
@didickcheeseburger they were competing for the championship, Webber shouldn't just be expected to yield like he's teammates with Michael Schumacher. Webber had the line, and he didn't wan to give it up. Vettel made a rash and desperate move.
MadOldPete 1 year ago
@MadOldPete you cant compare msc/ferrari. ferrari would order msc teammates to allow him to overtake. vettel was already easily overtaking webber on his own. webber just tried to squeeze him to the inside of the track to screw up his approach to the next turn which was wrong of webber. its not a handout from webber since vettel was in the lead when webber was trying to hold him to the inside. it just wouldve been courtesy to give his teammate the necessary room.
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
@wentakura absolutely correct. the vettel haters just have selective vision
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
When you look at this from the camera on Vettel's car it is still his fault, he was clearly going to overtake Webber if only he had of maintained his line into the corner, but no, he needlessly turns into Webber and takes himself out of the race, what an idiot.
eddy12325 1 year ago
@eddy12325 needlessly? vettel could never make the next turn since webber squeezed him to the inside so much. i understand webber dont wanna give up first place but vettel had such a run and was so far past that webber just needs to know when to accept that he has been overtaken. its a fact that vettel was clearly the race leader and webber shouldve given him some room.
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
@didickcheeseburger So Webber squeezed him and forced him to crash into him, nice try man, but if you watch the video, all Webber does is hold his line which is all he has to do, and what does Vettel do in response, he turns and crashes into Webber, there was nothing Webber could do as he had no idea that Vettel was about to turn into him.
eddy12325 1 year ago
@eddy12325 bottom line is that you dont squeeze out your teammate just to screw him cuz hes faster than you. webber knows this and this is why he dont scold vettel for the incident like unknowing fans do. if you know about racing you can tell webbers intentions from his onboard and you would know what vettel was trying to do when they made contact. most people who dont really know anything other than 'try to go fast' and they just say to themselves "what the fuck was that?"
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
@didickcheeseburger I know what Vettel was trying to do, he wanted the clean line on the track into the corner and Webber has no responsibility to get out of the way and give it to him. Even if he wanted to move out of the way when Vettel turned into him because Vettel did it so quickly that Webber had no time to react, all Webber did was hold his line and Vettel crashed into him, its that simple.
eddy12325 1 year ago
@didickcheeseburger Webber can keep Vettel pinned down low till he reaches the corner, but had Vettel maintianed a straight line and no contact had occured, he could have run Webber wide in the upcoming corner, both of them were kinda screwed for a clean corner at that point if no one gave ground. I believe Vettel's car just got away from him a touch, and was too close when it happened. Watch their hands, expecially Vettel's, he didn't turn that car right, it did it by itself. He said as much
505197 1 year ago
@505197 i think vettel was trying to tell webber to give him room but webber didnt budge and they touched. it didnt look like any driving error on vettels part. youre right that vettel wouldve ran webber wide at the next turn had he stayed straight. webber stood no chance to benefit any way you look at it which is exactly why there was no reason for him to be such a bitch about vettel overtaking him.
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
webber is to blame.
Psylonz 1 year ago
U can't possibly say this was Webbers fault just cos hes Australian u saw him he moved out of vetels way & tried to go to the right hand Side of the track to turn the corner faster expecting webber to back off what h
CRaZzYMX 1 year ago
You know, I really want to say this, FUCK YOU WEBBER!! fuck off!!! next time move the fuck out of the way you fucking psycho.
zabraoota 1 year ago
it's vettel's fault because he tried to turn right, when the turn was left, lol
glcn11 1 year ago
@glcn11 no. do u understand the racing line? you sway to the right, then left. thats why it is webbers fault. did a stupid squeeze on vettel off the racing line. vettel was completely innocent.
Psylonz 1 year ago
Vettels fault coz I don't like him lol
bruvvamoff 1 year ago
@bruvvamoff NO Webber's fault cuz I DON'T LIKE HIM!
zabraoota 1 year ago
Webber
28Stocki 1 year ago
I'm guessing Vettel thought he was a bit farther from Webber than he really was. If I were Webber I would have slowed down for just a moment and let Vettel pass.
BumbleBeest9000 1 year ago
webber
denisk82 1 year ago
Absolutely Vettel´s fault..
lionjmh88 1 year ago
Watch the steering wheel of webber, then the wheel of vettel. Vettel was always coming slowly to the right(into webber), while webber was always holding a small degree of right(not enough to just let vettel past, but away from vettel at all times)
Vettels fault.
Webbers fault for spinning off with nobody around him in korea.
Hamiltons fault for a few avoidable accidents.
Vettels fault for crashing into button in spa.
Ferraris fault for screwing up Alonsos strategy in Abu Dhabi.
We see in 2011
JFlintham1 1 year ago 2
@JFlintham1 - i'm with you all the way with your comments
pmarie57 1 year ago
I see Webber holding his defensive line (which he's allowed) and Vettel attempting to move over too soon. While Vettel is beside I don't see any attempt by Webber to move toward Vettel. Blame- Vettel.
voxtimo 1 year ago
Vettel is to blame - no question. Watch the shots from the cockpits - Webber holds his line, as he is entitled to do, but Vettel turns right, trying to push Webber wider. Vettel was very silly, not for the first time - he has previous!
Ricardothepom 1 year ago
xit happens, Mark's fault. Great driver Mark, no need to insult or demotion over one race incident.
Vettel great WC. Mark helped a lot in Red Bull title.
mrrn100 1 year ago
ofcourse it's webber his fault.. if u look @ vettel his onboard you see him steering slowly towards his braking point and the "almost correct"line he gave webber the most time to react to it.. but webber didnt went to the normal racing line wich caused the collision so webber WAS NOT at the racing line and he should have given vettel the room because vettel was already passed him..
wacky1337 1 year ago
It was soooooooooo Webbers fualt, he sould have left more room between him and Vet and that's why Webber is an idiot !!!!
Tezz687 1 year ago
True its vettel's Fault. First it was an unwanted move at this part of the race, second he shouldnt have moved to the right after getting next to webber. Third his inexperience to be blamed. From Webber's part he could have given little more space. End of the day Redbull at loss.
pummyy 1 year ago
@pummyy no, wrong. Vettel was under pressure to move right because the next corner was incoming fast and staying left would have ment that webber overtakes vettel again .
TurkishGamer92 1 year ago
vettel fault...taking the inside line, and then slamming the door with webber still on it. It´s quite simple, he wanted to get back to the racing line before he got dust from the track in the corner, that would be a even greater mistake.
DRIVEconcept 1 year ago
Weber is a slow son of a...
arthusthefirst 1 year ago
Mark's for leaving him not enough room and Vettel for turning into Webber
for Vettel, he should have known that Mark wouldnt be there as he saw him gradually go past and its reasonable to assume that would happen
but Webber's 70% and Vettel 30% (coz Vettel turned in on him)
AlexOoiue 1 year ago
@AlexOoiue Vettel was going for the racing line which gives him optimum grip to take that tight corner. Of course Vetttel could always stay in that inside line and bravely take the corner. It was very tight with no time to think. Racing incident.
vizkkviz 1 year ago
Webber kept to the line which everyone else took if look closesly at Hamilton just a little bit behind, Vettel gets too overaggressive and doesn't realise theres grass on the left. Thata what you expect a rookie to do... wait my bad..
Vettel is going to fail defending, the wrong champion won, and the worst champion in history
jordie38 1 year ago
@jordie38 webber wasnt holding any line. he was defending his position. the line moves to the right side approaching the left hand turn. he starts doing that but noticed vettel was faster and beginning to overtake so he got defensive. its obvious if you watch without bias but unfortunately nobody does. fucking fanatics.
the decent thing for webber to do wouldve been to give his teammate room. especially since vettels entire car was almost ahead of him. dick move by webber.
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
Harsh!
quattro248 1 year ago
vettels fault but he still is world champion
MadnessF1 1 year ago
@MadnessF1
worst champion ever.
markshen1985 1 year ago
Comment removed
MadnessF1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@markshen1985 i am a bit happy that vettel won the championship but i wish mark webber won the championship
MadnessF1 1 year ago
It was Webber's fault, he had no reason to go that far left, since a left turn was coming up up, except to purposely block his own teammate which is just stubborn and stupid
bear532 1 year ago
@bear532 webbers fault??? look again. you can CLEARLY see that webber is on the racing line, whereas vettel is trying to overtake on the inside. how can it possible be webbers fault when CLEARLY vettel drives straight into webber? people like you must have the iq of a peanut.
beebogroll 1 year ago
The better driver ended up winning the title, but in this incident, Vettel clearly goes searching for a wider line, expecting Webber to move wider as well. He had no reason to expect that from him. Webber correctly held his line - thinking ahead to the next right hander where he'd likely retake Vettel and show off some nice clean racing. In the end though, he ended up getting cleaned up by Vettel.
Congrats to Seb, but honestly.. Alonso or Schumi in the same car, it would've been an easy season.
MoNercy 1 year ago
hamilton is bak there saying when his overtaking:"so long,suckers!" =)
xd3adp0ol02 1 year ago
See good is vettel that goes towards Webber. Webber goes his way, vettel search for the position
leccio72 1 year ago
vettel is immature for f1, always i am afraid when he is close to McLaren... vettel's blame
TheRapBoy2 1 year ago
i was critical of webber at first. but seriously i admit this is vettel's fault.
Anime998877 1 year ago
People only remember winners at the end of the day , it was vettel who came out on top , who was 3rd again i cant remember? o yea some bitching moaning australian .
quattro248 1 year ago
vettels to blame. the stupid idiot crossed infront of him. and i dont care if hes world champion at 23 years old. who gives a fuck? he caused the crash and blamed webber! real drivers dont blame others for their mistakes!
driftkiddy1 1 year ago
Webber stayed straight, Vettel to blame!
ShinyMagnezone 1 year ago
Vettel proved you all know shit , wankers now hes a world champ at 23 fucken amazing
quattro248 1 year ago
@quattro248 All Vettel proved was that he could drive the fastest, best-designed car on the grid well. And he only got his act together in the last 5 races. This should've been an easy season for him. Instead of calling it the most entertaining season ever with five drivers in contention at the penultimate round. This should've been a season reminiscent of 2002 or 2004. If he doesn't have a car that can give him pole position half the time this year, then his chances of title retention are zero.
MoNercy 1 year ago
@MoNercy And this make him driffent how? every driver in history that won a world title usually had the best car all season or at some stage of a season like button .
quattro248 1 year ago
@quattro248 Button had his act together from the beginning of the season and defended his lead well. 2007 and 2008 saw an ebb and flow of car dominance race-to-race between Ferrari and McLaren. But Vettel's inability to convert his pole positions into wins showed how far he has to come. If he'd lost the title, it would've a rather embarassing statistic.
They say beating your teammate is the best determinent of performance. Well, he doubled Webber's poles, but only barely earned more points.
MoNercy 1 year ago
@MoNercy Like i said people only remember the outcome of a season , and Vettel is world champion thats it .Bahrain vettel had spark plug failure , break failure in australia, engine in Korea ,tyre failure in britian ,low oil pressure in spain, gearbox issue in canada ,cracked chassie for 3 races and so on , yes he made mistakes as well but he overcame all this like a true champion , so when you talk of his inability to convert poles to wins you should do you homework first ,
quattro248 1 year ago
@quattro248 Fair point. Looking at some of the other comments you've made in other F1-related videos, it's probably better at this point to put an end to the discussion and just enjoy the video (where Vettel was clearly at fault).
MoNercy 1 year ago
@quattro248 Webber won in silverstone on Vettel's cracked, albeit 'repaired' chassis but I agree with you 100% that he is a very deserving champion and would have dominated the season if the RB6 was not so fragile.
Domashel 1 year ago
A mistake by Vettel trusting that his team-mate would know better. Hamilton and Button had similar traits with no touching, that's because as Stewart has noticed Button is the closest thing to a smooth driving as it can get. Webber is not for smoothness, he hardly notices when he is round beaten. Where would Webber be if not for Red Bull? Vettel even wins on a Toro Rosso, a back-marker.
mrrn100 1 year ago
@mrrn100 No see the two McLaren drivers also touched just laps after this happened. Of cause nothing really happened, but they were rubbing wheels and that could easily have ended just as bad as this did.
dude2106 1 year ago
@mrrn100 Toro Rosso weren't a backmarker team that day. Sebastian Bourdais qualified fourth, after all. And I don't follow all this "Where would Webber be if not for RB" business. He chose to leave Williams and join Red Bull on his own terms. It's not like Williams sacked him and then Red Bull picked the poor guy up off the street. And he's played his part for the team. Would the Red Bull in 2007-8 have picked up as many points if it was Klien was still driving it?
MoNercy 1 year ago
stupid colision what was Vettel thinking?
f1baker 1 year ago
vettel . webber hold his line
Jannis140 1 year ago
Sebastian Vettel - Graduate with honors from the M Schumacher school of low down shit house driving.
Rommeljnr 1 year ago
webber's fault!
VIVO336 1 year ago
@VIVO336 no its not if you look at the beging of the video u see that webber did not move his steering wheel left at all instead vettel turned right into webber because he thinks hes all that
jeffg24LT21 1 year ago
@jeffg24LT21 i think webber had to steer right to avoid the contact
VIVO336 1 year ago 2
@VIVO336 Why should Webber have to move, he has every right to hold his line, and even if he wanted to avoid the Vettel-caused contact, he had no chance to move as it all happened so quickly, after Vettel made his decision that I want the good line regardless of the consequences.
eddy12325 1 year ago
vettel is blame
Hamiltoncheater 1 year ago
vettel
kazodrummer 1 year ago
Vettel, he moved across on Webber. And no Red Bull didn't use team orders, but you can imagine if they did:
"Sebastian, Mark is faster than you, can you confirm you understand this message?"
"Certainly, take the guy off the track, got it!"
SuperBobster10 1 year ago
you have a point
carbonfreak989 1 year ago
This is CLEARLY webbers fault, that is no way to treat your teammate!!!!
cdrbmw 1 year ago
@cdrbmw they are racing, not using team orders, u treat him as the opposition, unlike ferrari
singningwongho 1 year ago
vettels fault
ThEtErRoRiZeR1134 1 year ago
Vettel fault in my view as it is vettel who took the narrow line which is almost impossible and on the onboard view of vettel,look closely as vettel turns
wittisy 1 year ago
Webber blocked him.
mudddshark2000 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Most F1 drivers suck in traffic, and this is proof of the minor league level they are at. it was a simple pass by two crappy drivers. After all it's F1, what did you expect, skill? If you never ran inches apart at 225 MPH in a tight pack of open wheel cars for an hour, how will you learn. Bring your fancy pants cars to talladega and run @ 240 MPH in a pack and then i'll go to an F1 race. Otherwise your all gay, F1 is gay, the fans are gay, the tracks are gay, the cars are gay and so are you.
ditz259 1 year ago
vettel of course
scwebewcs 1 year ago 39
Vettel moves over, watch the line on the side of the track, its perfectly straight and then it moves away from Vettels car, meaning one thing! Vettel moved over!!
Vettels fault! SIENCE !!
And now he WC, having the best car doesnt make you good at overtaking, neither does it make you the best, Alonso and Hamilton are the best for being able to stay in the hunt for the title up till the last race in cars that maybe were the fastest for 2 or 3 races, not 16, Webber and Vettel are Shit, RB gud
hell5torm 1 year ago
@hell5torm you know what webber had to move to the side as 75% of vettels car was infront of him
carbonfreak989 1 year ago
@carbonfreak989 I think you should look up what 75% means... when vettal's rear wheel connects half-way along webbers car, i would call that closer to 50%... even old helmet agrees when he said vettel was 2m (out of a 4m car) ahead.
To everyone else, yeah webber could have conceded ground, but why should he, its vettel's job to overtake. Vettel is clearly a fast driver, but he definitely needs to work on his overtaking skills.
yeti509 1 year ago
@hell5torm lol he had to move over to make the corner
smokey8D 1 year ago
@smokey8D not while hes beside someone, you can still take that corner while staying on the far left side of the track, just make sure your oponent stays on your right and doesnt cut underneath you and switch back
hell5torm 1 year ago
vettels fault
dummerdoedlbob 1 year ago
there's a thing called mirrors vettel you twit
mrbtree 1 year ago
@mrbtree Vettel cant see Webber at the mirrors because hes not behind him
hes beside him.Webber can see Vettel and should to turn right like hamilton againstbutton a few rounds later.than he came better to the corners and maybe he can overtake Vettel again on the finish straight
Webber had no other chance to defent his Positon because Vettel past him
to 3/4 on the straight
status1100 1 year ago
@status1100 pause at 12, 13 seconds his mirrors are infront of webbers car which makes this vettels fault and this proves that vettel had a bad weekend and should of used his mirrors so at least the team could have a 1, 2 finish instead of a
mrbtree 1 year ago
@mrbtree all mirrors on cars in the World are build to look behind
Webber every time beside Vettel also at 12,13,seconds
What i try to say if he looked to the left Webber can better check the distance betwen both cars than Vettel on his dirdy little mirror ;)
that makes Webbers fault
status1100 1 year ago
everyone knows the onnace is on the overtaking driver. but i suspect this was team orders n webber said fuck u im not doing it. so the team turned his engine down for abit and vettel drove straight past him but.. this was the result. anyone remeber monza? brake fade or something? teams turned vettels engines down webber goes past.. like hell there isnt team orders in f1.. difference is ferrari made it blantly obvious.
Gummby69 1 year ago
If you ask me, its BOTH their fault.
Vettel was given enough room to go down the inside, but he shouldn't of moved to the right so quickly for the corner.
Webber knew that Vettel was going to pass him(why he moved over to the left) and Vettel had the line for the corner, Webber's a formula 1 driver, he would have easily saw Vettel coming over to him and he should have moved, but he's that solid that he doesn't take any notice.
mikeXdeakin 1 year ago
Vettel
MsBaball 1 year ago
Weber was all over the place leaving the Kid with no were to go,a mere "racing Incident"
myndcryme64 1 year ago
webber mistake simple as that...he should have yielded way to vettel because vettel was CLEARLY killing him on speed
evropekon 1 year ago
I as a "vettel fan boy" also have to say - leaving out emotions - that it was rather sebastians fault. Of course there are always 2 guys and mark could have prevented the crash but despite that you have to say 80 per cent go to seb. He's been blamed enough for that and spa and as always he will learn from it and wont make the same mistake twice. All in all one has to say he's a deserved champion not like button last year. Hope hamilton and him will both win 8 further titles in the next 16 years!
wilmajacki 1 year ago
@wilmajacki I'm a Vettel fan too and I can also see it's his fault. Not entirely mind you, Webber was being overly defensive and leaving him absolutely no room to pass. What did he expect? Don't see why everyone so uptight about it anyway - Sebastian made a mistake and he had to pay for that mistake. Mark still got the podium, it could've been worse.
FourthDrinkInstinctx 1 year ago
with vettel's onboard, his steering wheel is turned right. look at his left wheel get farther and farther from the white line. vettel's fault no doubt. he's an amazing driver, but i mean come on... if you say this is webber's fault, you are a vettel fanboy or a webber hater.
mhcblues22 1 year ago
Clearly vettel because he turned into mark
DiRTwrc 1 year ago
Clearly Webbers fault!!!
cdrbmw 1 year ago
it dont matter how many times i watch this the answer is always the same, yes vettel was quicker behind webber, yes vettel was overtaking legaly, but webber had track position he didnt have to give it up for vettel, and webber had the driving line! vettel overtook the wrong side then moved over into webber! i look at it this way... they came together, vettel was edging to the right and webber was driving straight you can see this here so vettel hit webber and caused the crash
thesupahfly 1 year ago
@thesupahfly
Here you go Shisediego, read what theSupafly has written here! It's what everyone should have seen. Is everyone else on here 'mostly' blind then...?
Thankyou thesupahfly for helping others see the OBVIOUS... Oh, and common sence.
amnickable 1 year ago