Dominion has a old Coal Burning Power Station in Hammond Indiana that they are shutting down soon. The EPA is forcing this upon them. It should be completely shut down by year 2014
All the stuff your saying is crap. Really horrible crap to scare people. Can you see that is only a steam blow from the turbine building!? And before you say a nuclear power plant is about to blow up, LOOK UP HOW A NUCLEAR PLANT WORKS!!!!!
Attempts to restart Unit 2 at the Surry nuclear power station have stalled. A Virginia Dominion Power spokesman said Tuesday the utility has aborted efforts to restart the unit, which has been out of service since an April 16 tornado knocked out electricity. The spokesman, Richard Zuercher, told the Richmond Times-Dispatch that Unit 2 was shut down on Monday after a problem was detected in one of the unit's cooling ducts. It's not clear when another attempt will be made to restart Unit 2.
It appears someone from Dominion has complained about this video and YouTube has tried to burry in on page 49 or farther back. Because, every time I would do a search for "nuclear power plant" it would always show up on the first page.....Now, it's no where to be found in search unless you specify Dominion or Surrry "and" nuclear power plant.
So, how much is Dominion paying you (YouTube) to keep this video burried?
@KIZZFAN73..Dude..I know exactly how you feel. I'm a 26 year nurse and lost my career after being blackballed for going against a negligent doctor. It took a year and moving out of state to get it back. 10 years later I noted an elderly patient being starved to death. I followed all the protocols and went through the chain of command...trying to avoid getting blackballed again...then the woman died and the family demanded an autopsy...showed starvation..and they did it to me again. 26 yrs gone.
I can't help but feel that is why I find myself in my current P.O.S. job.... I'm sure DOMINION, Va. Power and Vic Slade have played a part in my lousy exixtance somehow.
Read my web page and visit my bulletin board for more on how Dominion's evil management continues to use every option available to them to destroy me and my family!
As for the ready to blow.... ur an idiot who likes scaring people that don't really know what's going on... they had a tornado last night and everything is still up and operational... go try ur bs somewhere else... and try going to meetings for whatever drugs they fired you for.
I can tell from your intellectual paralysis you must be a Nancy Grace fan. That being said, please visit my web page and "educate" yourself as to my background and how Dominion has treated MY FAMILY.
I think you will be suprised to learn that if you get on the wrong side of some Dominion AH your life and career will suffer greatly.
To view my web page just click on the link under the video discription, For the full story go to..Button.html
Also, everthing is not up and running. The tornado caused a loss of offsite power and both reactors tripped. Actually thats what there designed to do but,
Geting back to your assertions that I scare people that don't know what's going on and your reference to drugs,...People should be scared when the company fires trained, highly skilled people as my self and replace them with un-knowledgeable kids. And, I was not fired for drugs, they fired me for making a joke.
Today, I attempted to make amens with Dominion and go back to Surry for there spring outage working for a contractor, (DZ Atlantic).
Well guess what......? Dominion axe'ed me before I could even take the piss test. That's right, the corporation, (that I still own stock with), Dominion decided to " deny me access to company property".....WTF?
It's been 8 years and still Dominion think's of me as an enemy. Well there's an old saying, "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer"..
I have worked at Surry since 2006. I do not work for Dominion. They have always treated us well. It is preached over & over safety first. Long pre job briefs. Each outage there are less accidents, most all during the outages seem to be silly stuff, someone forgets to put on gloves, gets a cut or someone trips over something by not paying attention. We go through a lot to put up netting, so tools & other things don't fall on someone. Safety men are in the work areas coaching us on safety & a lot
@mel Have you ever heard the expression steping over a dollar to pick up a penny? Well that's the idea behind the SAFETY FIRST they preach to you at Surry.
When it comes to real safety systems designed to protect the plant managements first question is always, "how much will it cost to fix it, or if it can't be fixed, can we make it look like it's doing the job?"
And if an operator makes a mistake they blame the instrumentation...That guage can't be reading right, check the calibration...
On April 30th, 2003 I was fired from my job at the Surry Nuclear Power Plant. I had worked 17 years at the company as a Nuclear Instrumentation Technician .
Why was I fired?, ...because I posted a joke on an internet bulletin board from my own home, on my own time. And, buy the way, the post had nothing to do with the company or anyone who worked there.......read my web page for the full details!
@KIZZFAN73 dude, i had poured thousands of dollars into pilot training when i was a teen and then september 11th happened pulling the rug out from under the entire aviation business and destroying any chance of me getting the only job i really want to do. you are not the only one to experience a personal career disaster but it's time to move on. let it go man.
Well thats the difference dude, you were "training" for a position. I graduated colledge with a A.A.S in electronics and then spent 5 yrs. getting my Nuclear Instrimentation certification. Then spent 12 years at the plant performing calibrations on critical safety systems as a technician.
Then like you said, 9/11 happened. But in the case of Dominion they saw a "terrorist" behind every tree and went on a witch hunt firing experienced personel.
@KIZZFAN73 yeah so you got caught in a bad position. TS dude it happens. there are other nuclear plants all over the USA. you can get a job but you need to let that shit go.
I have a wife and kid, I can't just pick-up-and -go. And have you ever heard of the term "Black Balling". It's when companies share "negative" information on X-employees. Then the company your applying for a job at refuse to hire you. I know from experience...that SHIT happens...all the time!
@KIZZFAN73 still doesnt matter. It was a steam relief which will close at a given pressure set point. At no point does this redundant safety system mean anything wrong happened. secondly, when a reactor scrams, it goes to zero % power... What back ground do you have? I've been in nuclear power operations for several years now, working on 3 different platforms.
@JgHaverty what doesn’t matter? That management dosen’t has a clue or the safety relief valve shouldn’t be challenged in the first place because someone in operations made another mistake?
You’re missing my point about this video. The PORV (Power Operated Relief Valve), are lifting because of the Rx trip which was caused by an oversight of a control room operator. But no one in the op's department will ever admit they make mistakes; it’s always a “instrumentation” problem......right?
@KIZZFAN73 You truly have no idea what you are talking about. There are about 6 people staring at the reactor panels at ALL times, and these people are regulated by the DOE and NRC. Not to mention the plant operators, such as myself, are accutely aware of plant status at all times. If we dont, we get fired, simple as that. You probably just stop talking now. "management" are always former operators, so they do in fact, have a clue.
On December 9, 1986, a steam explosion in the non-nuclear part of Unit 2 killed 4 workers. This was the worst accident in terms of human cost of any in the US nuclear industry.
shinval,... I bet your glad you were not working as a insulator in 1986 at Surry....
On April 30th, 2003 I was fired from my job at the Surry Nuclear Power Plant. I had worked 17 years at the company as a Nuclear Instrumentation Technician .
Why was I fired?, ...because I posted a joke on an internet bulletin board from my own home, on my own time. And, buy the way, the post had nothing to do with the company or anyone who worked there.......read my web page for the full details!
@JgHaverty, clam down non-licensed operator. Do U want your company bringing you in for a psyc-evaluation to see if your "fit for duty".
The PORV's were controlled from a Fisher I/A platform in this 3 loop plant. Only one of the PORV's, (safety's), lifted when set point was reached. Due to Pascals pressure law which states: "pressure exerted anywhere in a confined incompressible fluid is transmitted equally in all directions throughout the fluid such that the pressure ratio remains same."
@KIZZFAN73 I had a good laugh. I can see it now "Hey guys, I know you fired me 8 years ago, but theres this dude on youtube who's making me look bad. You should give him a phsychiatric evaluation"... get real pal.
And you are retarded. Steam is compressible. You are clearly echelons below me in intelligence. Wtf does pascal's law have anything to do with a steam relief lifting anyway? lol. And the safety valves have different set points anyway you twit.
@JgHaverty, When did I said steam wasen't compressible? Thermodynamics temperature and the Pressure of the saturated steam are mutually dependent. When one of them is given, the other is determined. Water is non-compressible, is that what your getting at Harvey?
Surry's PORV's all had the same set point...but the spring tension "SAFETYS" were designed to lift at different pressures. Given Pascal's law the pressure on all loops was the same.....
And no, you take care of yourself, because if your still in the nuclear power industry the radiation won't kill ya' but the stress of the job probably will...!
The video shows actually main steam being vented to atmosphere due to a Ractor Trip
In Westinghouse designed Rx trip the main steam trip valves shut on the turbin side. Then the steam dump valves vent excess steam to the condenser. But in this case the Rx tripped at 100% power and the steam dumps coulden't handle the full pressure, thats why the SAFETYS are lifting and venting steam.
The reason for the Reactor trip? Mistake was made by operations. SEE MY WEB PAGE FOR MORE DETAILS
a reactor trip can be anything that causes the plant to function in the wrong way. can be something small, something big? we had a trip when a logic system in the reactor building faulted so as a precaution. the reactor shuts down which leads to the steam cooling. when the super heated steam cools it expands and has no where to go. all it is, is venting harmless steam into the atmosphere because there is no room for it inside the plant. never comes into contact with fuel or anything, its harmles
Lets build 8 thousand atomic power plants,and create millions of jobs,and export the vast amounts of extra energy off the cost off Alaska to Russia,then Europe,and china?
Wind ain't that clean
It takes MANY MANY MANY long years to repay the inital investment off,the wind does not blow all the time
It cost so much energy and co2 for the concrete foundations of the wind turbines,
and it's not that clean to extract the rare earth magnets out of china!
If anything, it was probably a turbine trip if there was even a problem at all probaly just steam blowing out. Either way, American nuclear plants don't explode like Chernobyl did.
@itb222 True its not possible for a US nuclear power plant to explode. Did you know that coal power plants cause more illness and deaths in 1 year then Chernobyl will in total? Nuclear is the way to go the US need to start building more of them.
@IONZagan dumb the wastes in oceanic crustal subduction zones,where mother earth will eat it all up...and not to mention the ocean naturally produces ALOT of natural radiation.... it's a win situation!
@captinseperoth You obviously don't know that much about nuclear waste recycling we use depleted uranium for tank armor and we can even sort out the un-depleted uranium and make new rods out of it. There is no useless dumping of nuclear waste if it is properly managed.
i just finished working the previous shutdown, when they brought the unit back up, it did the same thing. All the unit is doing is venting steam to maintain pressure and heat, so nothing bad does happen. There are safeguards to prevent a meltdown. And for all you special people, it is 100% impossible for a Nuclear Reactor to blow up. Learn your science.
true, but thats not a nuclear explosion per se. i was the hot fuel rods melting through the bottom of the reactor and hitting the cooling water causing a steam explosion. thats what blew the top off the reactor in Chernobyl
Too bad the audio couldn't reproduce the sound of the venting more accurately. My wife works at Millstone and we live about four miles away as the crow flies. We can hear a trip loud and clear!! Fun to mess with summer time tourists, scares the crap out of them!!! You just casually lean over to them and say, "Damn, not another leak!". Then you watch their eyes get really big and blank looking. Good fun, but I do have a slightly sick sense of humor. ;)
salard10, so you work at Surry? I didn't think so, if you did you would know that Steve Wrightman is an SRO there, (Senior Reactor Operator), and also a poacher.... It's hard to believe a poacher is considered "trustworthy" when someone who makes a joke post on a bulletin board, from there own home is considered "un-trustworthy". Dominion used any excuse they could come up with to fire people and increase there profit margin...
Also take note that theres more to the sizes of the nuclear reactors. there could very well be 2, 4, 6 or 8 loops just depending on how much power that the plant needs to make, say if they had to power Los Vegas and Los Angeles, (which they do since just the hoover dam makes up for around 40% of the electricity needed) they would prolly need a reactor with 4 or 6 loops to generate enough electricity to keep the cities running day and night.
According to an article in the danish science magazine: "illusteret videnskab"l iving near a nuclear plant for 150 years is just as deadly as: a chest X-ray, a two day trip to New York,
smoking a 1.4 cigarette, drinking 30 0.5 litre bottles of coca-cola light, and riding a bicycle 15 kilometers.
@Stefnir94 That may be true, but you should consider geet. it burns 80%water, which makes your nukes useless, and you stupid for supporting it. So please fuck off, then go to Fukushima, then die, you stupid cunt. Oh but before you do, google, "free geet plans" and build your own, you stupid mutherfucker.
Hey shinval, you seem to have all the answers; what's the solution to the nuclear waste problem? Looks like Yucca Mountain's not working out too well, is it?
Actually Yucca mountain is working fine. It's the people like you who have the problems.
France reprocesses, we could to, then Yucca mountain could have enough capacity for the next fifty years due to reduced volume. There are no technical problems with Yucca mountain, stupid people keep saying there is minimal ground water flow, but we already knew that. The material is turned into glass pellets inside steel containers, no ground water problem there.
France got caught illegally dumping radioactive water in the oceans. The big problem is low level radioactive waste such as water, irradiated materials, etc. We have so much of that stuff we don't know what to do with it. There's also a little problem of us running out of uranium eventually, since the supply is far from infinite.
Where do you get this crap? Japan proved in 2002 that you can economically extract Uranium from seawater, giving us at least a few thousand years of fuel. And Greenpeace's stunt in France demonstrates yet again how little they think of the publics scientific understanding, labeling Technetium 90 "nuclear waste" is entirely misleading. It's less radioactive then the crap all the coal plants Greenpeace has left us with spew into out atmosphere. Thanks for nothing Greenpeace.
kid... you know that every time a plant starts up, tens of thousands of gallons of "radioactive water" are discharged into public areas? lol... Its not an issue about the water you twit.
Storing burnt fuel is the only concern, and yukka mountain solves that.
uranium is available for tens of thousands of years :)
I dont think you understand how a nuclear power plant works. It has a double loop system, the inside loop is radioactive water, and it goes through a heat exchanger to the non-radioactive water side. The steam runs generators and the waste hot water is either discharged or is put through cooling towers then discharged. After awhile the inner radioactive water has to be discarded and replaced. it is the biggest radioactive waste by volume for a plant, and the most difficult to dispose safely.
1) nuclear plants have different designs, the plant i work in has 4 loops, not 2.
2) its not "radioactive water"... no such thing dipshit. Heavy water is NOT in these plants. Theres radioactive CRUD IN the water. its called "coolant"
3) the "Waste" water from the S/G's is fucking called steam.
4) waste water? no. Discharges go to storage tanks and is reused.
anymore bright ideas dipshit? the "waste" is from crud and spend fuel, not water.
You should really look at the big picture. theres more to it then just "2 loops and a steam generator".
Lets talk about pressurizer system, coolant purification, pressure relief, charging, ... god I can go all day with this shit, thank you for wasting your/my time with your asinine posts.
Engineers are not English Majors... I should know. I have only had to take 6 credits of pure English, and about 20+ credits of math just to get into the major. There is a requirement as an engineer to use propper grammar to communicate effectively. But when communicating orally, it makes little differance of which "than/then" I use if I communicate the idea correctly. We speak the language of math, the english is not really pushed as hard as the science.
Well said Kizzfan. That the ludites jumped on this video and asserted that this is dangerous and nuclear power is bad shows just how misled they are. They don't even understand extremely basic plant operation.
But what was the cause of the trip in the first place??? For the full story see my web page by clicking (more) at > About This Video above and to the right,...just under my user name KIZZFAN73... click on the address of my web page.
Basically they would recirculate the feed water into the polishing building until the Chemistry department would give a go ahead for operations to do a start up, reactor start up.
The entire process following a reactor trip was a hassle for all the departments. Operations had to do a lot of valve manipulations. Chemistry department had to monitor and adjust chemicals in the feed water system. Our department had to lower and then raise Nuclear Instrumentation set points for start up....
Operations hated to see this happen, because the water which makes up this steam that is being vented to the atmosphere is very clean water. This Feed water was polished up to have the minerals removed, which was a costly process. After a reactor trip, operations always had a hard time getting secondary chemistry of the feed water back into acceptable parameters.
When a reactor trip occurs, various valves open and close between the turbine and the steam generators. Actually, the steam supply between the steam generators and the turbine is completely shut off and auxiliary feed water supplies the steam generators to COOL DOWN the primary loop through the secondary loops of the steam generators. But the steam has nowhere to go, turbine is tripped, so the only path is to vent to atmosphere. This is what the video is showing.
Reducing the reactors power level corresponded reduced the turbine power output requiring less steam and less pressure for that steam, i.e. Main Steam. During a normal ramp up or ramp down these Pressure Control Valve's, that the video depicts, were never used because there was a balance between reactor power and turbine power.
The video depicts a Pressure Control Valve modulating to control pressure in the steam generators. I shot this video right after a reactor trip at 100% power.
"Venting steam from the steam generators is a standard cool down method after shutdown, its called stage one cool down."
You're partially correct, At Surry, coast down generally preceded cool down in preparing to go into a refueling outage. In other words, the reactors power level was gradually deceased from 100% to 90% to 80% etc. as the nuclear fuel was losing its ability to keep Tave up at 100% levels.
"Would you have put such an alarming title if it was a coal or oil power station ??"
Absolutely !! The intention for the title of this video is to draw attention to the injustices this company is puting its employees through.
Coal or Nuclear, when someone gets fired for something that ammounts to a joke, the company has gone to far. Hopefully the top management will be the only thing to implode.
During my time there I found the overall "physical" condition of the plant to be safe.
They're just blowing steam off. This happens all the time on power stations around the world, usually during commissioning or when they've dropped a lot of load.
Would you have put such an alarming title if it was a coal or oil power station ??
As stated before, I titled this video in this fashion to draw attention to the fact that management at Dominion has run amok with power, greed and intimidation.
And evidently they,(Dominion), do not like the attention this video is getting. Youtube keeps kicking it down the list and trying to deep 6 it. Gee Youtube, has "DOMINION" been puting the heat on you to get rid of this video?
They, DOMINION, are the most evil people I have ever delt with!
It is irresponsible to label this video "[nuclear plant] Ready To Blow?". This is just some steam blowing off. You'll see the same thing coming out of a train in the 1800's, for pete's sakes.
Taking away health care is a very effective way to intimidate. My son just broke his wrist skating and now with no job or health care I'm left to shoulder the entire burden.
As far as Surry being one of the most respected and well known plants,... you have never talked to the old timers there and heard the storys about them using a boat to get around in the containment building basement, where the reactor is, to work on equipment. Most of these older guys have died of brain cancer recently.
Yes GypsyMagick, I was unjustly fired after 16 years of hard and faithful service.
For the full story see my web page by clicking (more) at > About This Video above and to the right, just under my user name KIZZFAN73...
In trying to silence me the company, DOMINION, wanted to strike fear and intimidation into the rest of the remaining work force. But by terminating me they also destroyed the financial stability of my family and also left us without health care insurance.
thrummer1953 your right. Ive worked there for a year and havent recieved any radiation or even got sick. Most of the people I work with have been there 20 to 30 years and there in almost perfect health
BUT WHY DID THE REACTOR TRIP ??? Inexperience of the operating staff ??
Systems that were not maintained properly ??
For more about this miserably managed Nuclear Power Plant see my web page by clicking (more) at > About This Video above and to the right, just under my user name KIZZFAN73...
Yes, steam driven feed water pump would be a good guess, but notice the steam blast is modulating. When we ran the steam driven feed pumpm at Surry the steam exhaust was constant. We tested the pump every month and it was always a PLANNED event.
I took this video right after a reactor trip, (an un-planned event). Most often the case with a trip at 100% power the secondary pressure will fluctuate. And the pressure relief valve will modulate to control pressure. This is what video is showing.
Big deal, looks like maybe they were doing a steam driven feedpump run. Just like people who believe that cooling towers are emitting polution when it is just steam.
WORKERS are not being helped who are now sick with cancer!
Our government pretends -
NUCLEAR = GREEN.
GUESS WHAT:
NUCLEAR DOES NOT EQUAL GREEN!
GUESS WHAT ELSE:
IT NEVER DID!
In fact, IF, in the past 60 years we'd pursued clean and renewable energy resources - wow - we would be soooo ahead of where we are today having taken only steps BACK in time, like a mass of deaf, dumb and blind sheep we keep following greedy, visionless demented leaders right into the toxic sludge holes (they've created).
I seriously bet you don't know anything about how nuclear reactors work.
Its usually the "social science" majors who are the loudest complainers when it comes to nuclear energy. Understandable. Be afraid of something you are too stupid to understand.
Fuel rods are placed in some of he fuel assemblies. A fuel assembly is where the uranium pellets are stacked in tubes, then some of these assemblies have rods engineered to fit within the assembly.
When the rods are lifted out of the assmbly the reactivity of the fuel changes, (increases). So, lift the rods, increase the reactivity of the core, to K-effec=1. Drop the rods, sub critical and shut down the reactor.
At least that's the way it's suppose to work, but this is Surry, so...
really dumb question coming here. if you didn't know about that or didn't fix it would the hole damn thing blow up and radiaton goes every wear? i know nothing about Nuclear stuff, i know one thing maybe, if the full rods or what ever rods they call them that are in water and over heat big boom i think? is that right. im guess not though
I know for a fact if only one rad monitor would alarm the operator would assume it was a malfunction and not trip reactor. Most likey he would submit a work order to have the rad monitor checked out by a tech, which is what my job was there, instrument tehnicin.
Most of the time it was a fluke spike on the monitor. For instance the discharge rad monitors, every time it rained they would spike. We ask management to fix the problem but they said NO, make it work.
"A steam generator tube rupture should cause an automatic trip when the secondary side radiation alarms start going off."
You would think that is how it would work but... There is no "automatic trip" when it comes to secondary side radiation alarms. The operator must initiate a MANUAL reactor trip by punching the red button, which opens the rod contol power breakers and drops the rods.
So heres the catch, it all depends on who calibrated the scondary side radiation monitors.
Using sodium in the "cooling loops" (do you all call it that?) helps heat transfer, and preferably, that is more efficient. Stainless steel pressurizes the super heated product, as it does not alloy with the metal. If you have ever exposed table salt to a radioactive source, you'd maybe understand the idea of using Na. Expose some salt to Cs-137, if you ever get the chance. Super heat it after it has been irradiated, neat little experiment.
Haha... just was screwing around on YouTube and found this...
No, that let-off is not going to blow, and no, there aren't all that many downfalls/inefficiencies with using the highly fisssle U-235.
Benefits over risks? There is ultimately little, minimized risk in nuclear reactors. Using the waste product of U-235 ([A] Thorium-231) to re-supply the reactors is not efficient, let alone not good. Also, it is highly expensive to enrich U-235 to any isotope of Plutonium, which isn't efficient.
Let me tell you the true story of the deaths that were caused at the Surry Power Station, owned and operated by Dominion-Virginia Power back in 1986.
It was my first outage at the plant and I was an electrician for a contractor. The outage was coming to an end and I got laid off just as the plant was in the initial phases of starting up. The last people to get laid off were always the insulators because they had to put insulation back on piping after it was removed for maintenance.
I was at home in WV when my Uncle who worked at Surry full time called me on the phone to tell me the plant had an explosion. He said they were right back into an outage and the contractor wanted everyone who got laid off to come back to work. I had no other job offers at the time and went back to Surry because it was good money. While I was there for this second outage on the same Unit at the plant I learned the details of how the insulators were killed.
They were up on scaffolding placing insulation next to a feed pump. The scaffolding was only 5 feet off the floor. A safety inspector, (weasel, manager), came up to them and said they needed safety belts if they had to be up on the scaffolding.
Well these guys gave in to the weasel manager and went and got safety belts and tied themselves to the scaffolding just like the SAFETY manual said to. Well while they were installing the insulation on the pipe the Unit tripped
When a Unit trips, the feed water system pressure increases. A valve designed to relieve pressure at the feed pump failed to open and the piping these guys were under burst and sprayed them down with extremely hot water and steam.
The real tragedy is, they were tied to the scaffolding with there safety harnesses and couldn't run to get away from the steam. The DICK HEAD manager that told them to use the harnesses was safe back in his air conditioned office when the accident happened.
I see the wrong fight being picked too frequently with nuclear. Coral reefs continue to struggle forming skeletons due to increased dissolved carbon dioxide. 0.1~0.2 pH units have already dropped in the ocean since wide scale fossil fuel industrial usage. Advice to all activists (i love your passion!!!): Take some interest in science, get a real education on topics you want to specialize in, and don't anything personal. 1/3 oz. Uranium equals about a ton of coal, very little material to mine.
You seem to conveniently forget that you have to mine tons and tons of ore to get 1/3 oz of Uranium. It's highly refined and enriched before it's ever made into a pellet and assembled into a fuel rod.
4 million tonnes coal vs 0.1 million tonnes uranium ore a year to power the same number of homes. Which one again turns into 9 million tonnes of CO2? Which one again is increasing in capacity capacity yearly thanks to uneducated industrialized energy hogs? Learn yourself this one: Zero tonnes a year of anything if we breed fuel and reprocess. There is an out, you dont have to understand it to demand it. :) I like that slogan!
Breeding does not work to any real extent. The MAXIMUM theoretical breeding ratio is 1.8. And, breeding takes a long time. Breeding produces plutonium and the US is prohibited by the NPT treaty from ever breeding. They can chose to break the treaty and encourage rogue nations or just bury it.
The 4 million tonnes coal versus 0.1 million tonnes uranium argument is not quite correct. Coal has between 15-19 GJ (lignite/sub-bituminous) and 27-30 GJ (bituminous/anthracite) per tonne. Uranium has between 70 to 350 GJ per tonne. Since the Uranium that is being mined today is starting to be the low-grade uranium, it's more like 100 GJ per tonne. So the ratio is not 40 to 1, but more like 8 to 1.
The point I was trying to make is that Uranium mining is not like finding an extremely powerful nickel laying on the ground, but it's very intensive. All of the mining, milling and processing is very CO2 intensive. So in turn, the reactor may indeed not produce CO2, but the entire process of nuclear power sure does. In fact, it's only about 1/2 as bad a coal.
unless we reprocess the waste or use breeder reactors of course, then we wouldn't have to do half the mining for twice the energy, plus we wouldn't have nearly as much nuclear waste. To bad it was deemed to "scary" to use.
It was deemed to much of a safeguards risk under NNPT treaty. The treaty was put in force under the Nixon Administration. It's hard to enforce the treaty when we would have to leave the treaty to begin breeding uranium into plutonium.
There are currently 189 countries party to the treaty, five of which have nuclear weapons: the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, and China. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter in order to comply with Pillar I of NPT (non-proliferation), deferred indefinitely the recycling of nuclear spent fuel to limit the proliferation of plutonium. Since breeding works hand in hand with reprocessing. No reprocessing implies no breeding.
Other countries have interpreted the treaty differently
Re-negotiating NPT is not on the table right now. If you want reprocessing in this country, then you need to influence someone in the ruling class like your Senators and Congressman/woman?. Hopefully they need some more money in their war chest. Give them some.
breeding fuel is quite a bit different from the commercial fuel cycle being used. While it worked to produce plutonium for the DOD, it's really not that efficient of a process. There are no commercial breeder reactors running today. Albeit, some experimental ones in France, Japan and Russia.
Good point, HiTek This means there are tons and tons of tailing piles that are left over from refining tons and tons of uranium ore. Does all that blow in the dust?
Yes, one of the big problems is that the tailing piles (which are full of dust) get picked up by the wind and are carried for hundreds if not thousands of miles downwind.
"If a nuclear plant has any issues it will be Very well publicized."
Yea right. Start educating yourself about boiler tube failures. They affect about 1/7 reactors right now. Are you hearing about it? No, not really. They want to build 1000 new reactors according to Bush and Cheney.
And they should, its about the only thing this administration is doing right. the boiler tube failures have nothing to do with the reactors themselves, they are failing because water at high temperatures and pressures is very hard on old plumbing (most of which were built in the 60's). and since no water irradiated water ever leaves the containment building, even if the pipes were to burst, there isn't a chance any radiation would escape into the atmosphere.
When you have a boiler tube failure, water from the primary mixes with water in the secondary cooling loop. Indeed, radiation does escape into the river or lake water used to cool the nuke.
most systems in use actually have 3 or more separate cooling loops to negate this problem. nevertheless, its all the more reason to eliminate the water cooling system with a gas cooled system, or potentially liquid sodium, either or. It does not however justify demonizing the entire industry.
I'm not demonizing the entire industry, but I'm pointing out a systemic problem with Westinghouse reactors. 1/7 reactors in the US are Westinghouse. And they typically have two cooling loops. And, gas and sodium cooling loops are much hotter and will possibly have worse problems. Please do your homework.
Around 45% of US plants are Westinghouse. Most are 3-4 loop plants like Surry built in the 70's and early 80's. A steam generator tube rupture should cause an automatic trip when the secondary side radiation alarms start going off. Secondary water only enters the environment in the situation depicted in this video--which as I said before is a last option.
By the way, if you have a boiler tube failure with a sodium coolant loop, you will have an instant explosion in the reactor vessel. I suppose you have never seen that experiment in Chemistry class.
theres the tricky part, unfortunately in a sodium cooled system that relies on a steam turbine, you're going to have to have them in close proximity, the advantage is we can move this system outside of the reactor housing (via a secondary sodium loop) to prevent a breach of any radioactive material should an accident occur. there is also the possibility of a gas exchanger, though slightly less efficient.
You will always need to make steam somewhere to create a large thermal difference so that you can extract the energy from it. Also, this means that you will need cooling water.
The other bad news with a sodium loop is that you need to keep the sodium liquid even if you take the nuke down for maintenance.
Wow ... that looks just like the scene from China Syndrome from the outside where Jane Fonda is just coming over to visit the plant, right before they go inside and then you see the scene where they had to scram the reactor.
And anyone who brought this to there attention was immediately branded as having a bad attitude. I knew I would never become a senior technician with the supervision that is currently in charge over there.
My hope is that nothing will seriously go wrong over there because we still live fairly close to the plant. Only now I make much less than half what I made at the power company. And also have to work a 12 hour night shift to support my family, all because I spoke the truth....
Thanks for the video. I am so glad I left the nuclear power industry in 1987 and went into telecom. I have never looked back since. I am also glad I went back for my Master's degree.
Point is, anything that was a tough fix was blown off because one of those lazy SOB supervisors would have to get off ther butts and do something. But they were always after employees to make sure they had all the safety gear on, ignoreing the fact that the Nuclear Plant wasen't as safe as it could be. Image is everthing....
Just venting domestic(clean) Steam.
atpchase 3 months ago
Watch the movie "the china syndrome"
marshalljimduncan 3 months ago
Dominion has a old Coal Burning Power Station in Hammond Indiana that they are shutting down soon. The EPA is forcing this upon them. It should be completely shut down by year 2014
starguard 6 months ago in playlist Nuclear Power
i dont think u should have been standing there cause if that thing did explode you would have been obliterated
bumblebee6595 8 months ago
All the stuff your saying is crap. Really horrible crap to scare people. Can you see that is only a steam blow from the turbine building!? And before you say a nuclear power plant is about to blow up, LOOK UP HOW A NUCLEAR PLANT WORKS!!!!!
Sumokurt1 8 months ago
Attempts to restart Unit 2 at the Surry nuclear power station have stalled. A Virginia Dominion Power spokesman said Tuesday the utility has aborted efforts to restart the unit, which has been out of service since an April 16 tornado knocked out electricity. The spokesman, Richard Zuercher, told the Richmond Times-Dispatch that Unit 2 was shut down on Monday after a problem was detected in one of the unit's cooling ducts. It's not clear when another attempt will be made to restart Unit 2.
IranContraScumDid911 8 months ago
Well here we go again....
It appears someone from Dominion has complained about this video and YouTube has tried to burry in on page 49 or farther back. Because, every time I would do a search for "nuclear power plant" it would always show up on the first page.....Now, it's no where to be found in search unless you specify Dominion or Surrry "and" nuclear power plant.
So, how much is Dominion paying you (YouTube) to keep this video burried?
KIZZFAN73 9 months ago
@KIZZFAN73..Dude..I know exactly how you feel. I'm a 26 year nurse and lost my career after being blackballed for going against a negligent doctor. It took a year and moving out of state to get it back. 10 years later I noted an elderly patient being starved to death. I followed all the protocols and went through the chain of command...trying to avoid getting blackballed again...then the woman died and the family demanded an autopsy...showed starvation..and they did it to me again. 26 yrs gone.
solitaire777 9 months ago
@solitaire777
I can't help but feel that is why I find myself in my current P.O.S. job.... I'm sure DOMINION, Va. Power and Vic Slade have played a part in my lousy exixtance somehow.
Read my web page and visit my bulletin board for more on how Dominion's evil management continues to use every option available to them to destroy me and my family!
KIZZFAN73 9 months ago
UMM....THIS WAS UPLOADED IN 2007 FOLKS.
danieljh 10 months ago
As for the ready to blow.... ur an idiot who likes scaring people that don't really know what's going on... they had a tornado last night and everything is still up and operational... go try ur bs somewhere else... and try going to meetings for whatever drugs they fired you for.
912dward 10 months ago
@912dward
I can tell from your intellectual paralysis you must be a Nancy Grace fan. That being said, please visit my web page and "educate" yourself as to my background and how Dominion has treated MY FAMILY.
I think you will be suprised to learn that if you get on the wrong side of some Dominion AH your life and career will suffer greatly.
To view my web page just click on the link under the video discription, For the full story go to..Button.html
You can handel that right Nancy?
KIZZFAN73 10 months ago
@912dward
Also, everthing is not up and running. The tornado caused a loss of offsite power and both reactors tripped. Actually thats what there designed to do but,
Geting back to your assertions that I scare people that don't know what's going on and your reference to drugs,...People should be scared when the company fires trained, highly skilled people as my self and replace them with un-knowledgeable kids. And, I was not fired for drugs, they fired me for making a joke.
Read my page
KIZZFAN73 10 months ago
Today, I attempted to make amens with Dominion and go back to Surry for there spring outage working for a contractor, (DZ Atlantic).
Well guess what......? Dominion axe'ed me before I could even take the piss test. That's right, the corporation, (that I still own stock with), Dominion decided to " deny me access to company property".....WTF?
It's been 8 years and still Dominion think's of me as an enemy. Well there's an old saying, "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer"..
KIZZFAN73 11 months ago
I have worked at Surry since 2006. I do not work for Dominion. They have always treated us well. It is preached over & over safety first. Long pre job briefs. Each outage there are less accidents, most all during the outages seem to be silly stuff, someone forgets to put on gloves, gets a cut or someone trips over something by not paying attention. We go through a lot to put up netting, so tools & other things don't fall on someone. Safety men are in the work areas coaching us on safety & a lot
melmist 1 year ago 2
@mel Have you ever heard the expression steping over a dollar to pick up a penny? Well that's the idea behind the SAFETY FIRST they preach to you at Surry.
When it comes to real safety systems designed to protect the plant managements first question is always, "how much will it cost to fix it, or if it can't be fixed, can we make it look like it's doing the job?"
And if an operator makes a mistake they blame the instrumentation...That guage can't be reading right, check the calibration...
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
On April 30th, 2003 I was fired from my job at the Surry Nuclear Power Plant. I had worked 17 years at the company as a Nuclear Instrumentation Technician .
Why was I fired?, ...because I posted a joke on an internet bulletin board from my own home, on my own time. And, buy the way, the post had nothing to do with the company or anyone who worked there.......read my web page for the full details!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 ok dude it sucks you were fired but seriously, 2003? it's fucking 2011, move on with your life dude
itsumonihon 1 year ago
@itsumonihon
Dude,... when you've had your "career" of 17 years ripped out from under you for nothing, then we'll talk...!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 dude, i had poured thousands of dollars into pilot training when i was a teen and then september 11th happened pulling the rug out from under the entire aviation business and destroying any chance of me getting the only job i really want to do. you are not the only one to experience a personal career disaster but it's time to move on. let it go man.
itsumonihon 1 year ago
@itsumonihon
Well thats the difference dude, you were "training" for a position. I graduated colledge with a A.A.S in electronics and then spent 5 yrs. getting my Nuclear Instrimentation certification. Then spent 12 years at the plant performing calibrations on critical safety systems as a technician.
Then like you said, 9/11 happened. But in the case of Dominion they saw a "terrorist" behind every tree and went on a witch hunt firing experienced personel.
I was a sacrificial pinata!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73
Damn,...I misspelled College, ;)
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 yeah so you got caught in a bad position. TS dude it happens. there are other nuclear plants all over the USA. you can get a job but you need to let that shit go.
itsumonihon 1 year ago 2
@itsumonihon
Have you let go of your passion for flying?
I have a wife and kid, I can't just pick-up-and -go. And have you ever heard of the term "Black Balling". It's when companies share "negative" information on X-employees. Then the company your applying for a job at refuse to hire you. I know from experience...that SHIT happens...all the time!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
My web page can be viewed at:
users.erols.com/squabit/Button.Htm
Please "type" in the above address because cutting and paisting it into your web browser's address block does not work properly.
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@JgHaverty
dude,.....
The plant was not shut down.... It was at 100% power.
Management there dosen't have a CLUE....!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 still doesnt matter. It was a steam relief which will close at a given pressure set point. At no point does this redundant safety system mean anything wrong happened. secondly, when a reactor scrams, it goes to zero % power... What back ground do you have? I've been in nuclear power operations for several years now, working on 3 different platforms.
JgHaverty 1 year ago
@JgHaverty what doesn’t matter? That management dosen’t has a clue or the safety relief valve shouldn’t be challenged in the first place because someone in operations made another mistake?
You’re missing my point about this video. The PORV (Power Operated Relief Valve), are lifting because of the Rx trip which was caused by an oversight of a control room operator. But no one in the op's department will ever admit they make mistakes; it’s always a “instrumentation” problem......right?
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 You truly have no idea what you are talking about. There are about 6 people staring at the reactor panels at ALL times, and these people are regulated by the DOE and NRC. Not to mention the plant operators, such as myself, are accutely aware of plant status at all times. If we dont, we get fired, simple as that. You probably just stop talking now. "management" are always former operators, so they do in fact, have a clue.
JgHaverty 1 year ago
@shinval
Surry Power Station Events:
On December 9, 1986, a steam explosion in the non-nuclear part of Unit 2 killed 4 workers. This was the worst accident in terms of human cost of any in the US nuclear industry.
shinval,... I bet your glad you were not working as a insulator in 1986 at Surry....
dick head!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
On April 30th, 2003 I was fired from my job at the Surry Nuclear Power Plant. I had worked 17 years at the company as a Nuclear Instrumentation Technician .
Why was I fired?, ...because I posted a joke on an internet bulletin board from my own home, on my own time. And, buy the way, the post had nothing to do with the company or anyone who worked there.......read my web page for the full details!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
My web page can be viewed at:
users.erols.com/squabit/Button.Htm
Please "type" in the above address because cutting and paisting it into your web browser's address block does not work properly.
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 oh lord you were an NI tech. You should know better then to do stupid shit about your company.
You werent in operations which means you really had no fucking clue anyway. get over yourself.
JgHaverty 1 year ago
@JgHaverty, clam down non-licensed operator. Do U want your company bringing you in for a psyc-evaluation to see if your "fit for duty".
The PORV's were controlled from a Fisher I/A platform in this 3 loop plant. Only one of the PORV's, (safety's), lifted when set point was reached. Due to Pascals pressure law which states: "pressure exerted anywhere in a confined incompressible fluid is transmitted equally in all directions throughout the fluid such that the pressure ratio remains same."
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 I had a good laugh. I can see it now "Hey guys, I know you fired me 8 years ago, but theres this dude on youtube who's making me look bad. You should give him a phsychiatric evaluation"... get real pal.
And you are retarded. Steam is compressible. You are clearly echelons below me in intelligence. Wtf does pascal's law have anything to do with a steam relief lifting anyway? lol. And the safety valves have different set points anyway you twit.
Hows that unemployment treating you?
JgHaverty 1 year ago
@JgHaverty, When did I said steam wasen't compressible? Thermodynamics temperature and the Pressure of the saturated steam are mutually dependent. When one of them is given, the other is determined. Water is non-compressible, is that what your getting at Harvey?
Surry's PORV's all had the same set point...but the spring tension "SAFETYS" were designed to lift at different pressures. Given Pascal's law the pressure on all loops was the same.....
And who said I was unemployed.....Einstein
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
@KIZZFAN73 Im not going to have a pissing contest with a disgruntled 45 year old dude. Take care of yourself.
JgHaverty 1 year ago
@JgHaverty, And who said I was 45 years old... ;)
And no, you take care of yourself, because if your still in the nuclear power industry the radiation won't kill ya' but the stress of the job probably will...!
Good luck!
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
To get to my web page look for: "For the full story go to" under KIZZFAN73 in the description of this video and click on the link...
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
The video shows actually main steam being vented to atmosphere due to a Ractor Trip
In Westinghouse designed Rx trip the main steam trip valves shut on the turbin side. Then the steam dump valves vent excess steam to the condenser. But in this case the Rx tripped at 100% power and the steam dumps coulden't handle the full pressure, thats why the SAFETYS are lifting and venting steam.
The reason for the Reactor trip? Mistake was made by operations. SEE MY WEB PAGE FOR MORE DETAILS
KIZZFAN73 1 year ago
a reactor trip can be anything that causes the plant to function in the wrong way. can be something small, something big? we had a trip when a logic system in the reactor building faulted so as a precaution. the reactor shuts down which leads to the steam cooling. when the super heated steam cools it expands and has no where to go. all it is, is venting harmless steam into the atmosphere because there is no room for it inside the plant. never comes into contact with fuel or anything, its harmles
bibbyandal 1 year ago
Lets build 8 thousand atomic power plants,and create millions of jobs,and export the vast amounts of extra energy off the cost off Alaska to Russia,then Europe,and china?
Wind ain't that clean
It takes MANY MANY MANY long years to repay the inital investment off,the wind does not blow all the time
It cost so much energy and co2 for the concrete foundations of the wind turbines,
and it's not that clean to extract the rare earth magnets out of china!
Atomic power plants can run them self's
captinseperoth 1 year ago
If anything, it was probably a turbine trip if there was even a problem at all probaly just steam blowing out. Either way, American nuclear plants don't explode like Chernobyl did.
itb222 2 years ago
@itb222 True its not possible for a US nuclear power plant to explode. Did you know that coal power plants cause more illness and deaths in 1 year then Chernobyl will in total? Nuclear is the way to go the US need to start building more of them.
IONZagan 1 year ago
@IONZagan amen to that.
itb222 1 year ago
@IONZagan dumb the wastes in oceanic crustal subduction zones,where mother earth will eat it all up...and not to mention the ocean naturally produces ALOT of natural radiation.... it's a win situation!
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captinseperoth 1 year ago
@captinseperoth You obviously don't know that much about nuclear waste recycling we use depleted uranium for tank armor and we can even sort out the un-depleted uranium and make new rods out of it. There is no useless dumping of nuclear waste if it is properly managed.
IONZagan 1 year ago
this is just a safety valve, there designed to be able to take all steam away from the turbine. this was most likely a turbine issue
coalandnuclear 2 years ago
That's aux steam being released from the main steam support structure!!!
SufferInTruth 2 years ago
i just finished working the previous shutdown, when they brought the unit back up, it did the same thing. All the unit is doing is venting steam to maintain pressure and heat, so nothing bad does happen. There are safeguards to prevent a meltdown. And for all you special people, it is 100% impossible for a Nuclear Reactor to blow up. Learn your science.
cabana51692 2 years ago
did they kill anybody this time?
howardroard 2 years ago
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ufelcher 2 years ago
It IS possible for a Nuclear Reactor to blow up. Learn your history. See; Chernobyl
CrudeDude 2 years ago
cabana51692 said;
" it is 100% impossible for a Nuclear Reactor to blow up"
Hey...stupid...look up "Chernobyl", okay?
And when you've done that, look up SL-1.
CrudeDude 2 years ago
true, but thats not a nuclear explosion per se. i was the hot fuel rods melting through the bottom of the reactor and hitting the cooling water causing a steam explosion. thats what blew the top off the reactor in Chernobyl
whatthehallbetch 2 years ago
I didn't SAY it WAS a nuclear explosion. I implied that a nuclear reactor CAN, indeed "blow up".
CrudeDude 2 years ago
okay, i was just putting my word in
whatthehallbetch 2 years ago
do yours dumb azz and check out 3 mile island and Chernobyl.
mastainventa 2 years ago
three mile island didnt ''blow up''. it just leaked radiation.
whatthehallbetch 2 years ago
you know them well, sadly its not only the (mis)management
howardroard 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
these horrible power stations are so dangorous, if that had blown think how many thousands of people it would have and will kill
pal05pmajor3 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Isnt this kinda like what happened to indian point in 2000?
Dcarnys 3 years ago
staff is a combination of arogance and stupidity. still one of the nations worst plants
ufelcher 3 years ago
Too bad the audio couldn't reproduce the sound of the venting more accurately. My wife works at Millstone and we live about four miles away as the crow flies. We can hear a trip loud and clear!! Fun to mess with summer time tourists, scares the crap out of them!!! You just casually lean over to them and say, "Damn, not another leak!". Then you watch their eyes get really big and blank looking. Good fun, but I do have a slightly sick sense of humor. ;)
albionsseed 3 years ago
surry has no clue
ufelcher 3 years ago
STEAM !!!!
lainey500 3 years ago
id rather sleep in containment than work in a chemical plant
howardroard 3 years ago
oh noes! steam! Surely this new fangled 18th century technology will be the death of us all.
Grak70 3 years ago 2
the plants a volcano, it requires a human sacrafice a year to stay running
howardroard 3 years ago
you could have poached said egg as well as all exposed skin in the turbin building have you forgotten?
ufelcher 3 years ago
have you poached anybody to death recently?
ufelcher 3 years ago
salard10, so you work at Surry? I didn't think so, if you did you would know that Steve Wrightman is an SRO there, (Senior Reactor Operator), and also a poacher.... It's hard to believe a poacher is considered "trustworthy" when someone who makes a joke post on a bulletin board, from there own home is considered "un-trustworthy". Dominion used any excuse they could come up with to fire people and increase there profit margin...
KIZZFAN73 3 years ago
Also take note that theres more to the sizes of the nuclear reactors. there could very well be 2, 4, 6 or 8 loops just depending on how much power that the plant needs to make, say if they had to power Los Vegas and Los Angeles, (which they do since just the hoover dam makes up for around 40% of the electricity needed) they would prolly need a reactor with 4 or 6 loops to generate enough electricity to keep the cities running day and night.
Masamuneblade7 3 years ago
According to an article in the danish science magazine: "illusteret videnskab"l iving near a nuclear plant for 150 years is just as deadly as: a chest X-ray, a two day trip to New York,
smoking a 1.4 cigarette, drinking 30 0.5 litre bottles of coca-cola light, and riding a bicycle 15 kilometers.
Stefnir94 3 years ago 7
@Stefnir94 That may be true, but you should consider geet. it burns 80%water, which makes your nukes useless, and you stupid for supporting it. So please fuck off, then go to Fukushima, then die, you stupid cunt. Oh but before you do, google, "free geet plans" and build your own, you stupid mutherfucker.
analyzingfunny 9 months ago
@analyzingfunny
Geet is a scam, and judging from your choice of words, I'm not surprised you fell for it.
Stefnir94 9 months ago
Maybe you should find yourself a less stressful line of work. Perhaps a hydro plant. No radiatin there, asshole.
CrudeDude 3 years ago
@ CrudeDude ->If you are going to try and insult me, at least spell radiation correctly.
I love my job, just hate the beuracracy thats involved with it.
JgHaverty 3 years ago
You should learn to spell "Yucca". My error was a typo. Yours was ignorance. BIG difference.
CrudeDude 3 years ago
Hey shinval, you seem to have all the answers; what's the solution to the nuclear waste problem? Looks like Yucca Mountain's not working out too well, is it?
CrudeDude 3 years ago
Actually Yucca mountain is working fine. It's the people like you who have the problems.
France reprocesses, we could to, then Yucca mountain could have enough capacity for the next fifty years due to reduced volume. There are no technical problems with Yucca mountain, stupid people keep saying there is minimal ground water flow, but we already knew that. The material is turned into glass pellets inside steel containers, no ground water problem there.
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
France got caught illegally dumping radioactive water in the oceans. The big problem is low level radioactive waste such as water, irradiated materials, etc. We have so much of that stuff we don't know what to do with it. There's also a little problem of us running out of uranium eventually, since the supply is far from infinite.
monkeyman1140 3 years ago
Where do you get this crap? Japan proved in 2002 that you can economically extract Uranium from seawater, giving us at least a few thousand years of fuel. And Greenpeace's stunt in France demonstrates yet again how little they think of the publics scientific understanding, labeling Technetium 90 "nuclear waste" is entirely misleading. It's less radioactive then the crap all the coal plants Greenpeace has left us with spew into out atmosphere. Thanks for nothing Greenpeace.
NorskeDivision 3 years ago 2
LOL...
kid... you know that every time a plant starts up, tens of thousands of gallons of "radioactive water" are discharged into public areas? lol... Its not an issue about the water you twit.
Storing burnt fuel is the only concern, and yukka mountain solves that.
uranium is available for tens of thousands of years :)
JgHaverty 3 years ago
I dont think you understand how a nuclear power plant works. It has a double loop system, the inside loop is radioactive water, and it goes through a heat exchanger to the non-radioactive water side. The steam runs generators and the waste hot water is either discharged or is put through cooling towers then discharged. After awhile the inner radioactive water has to be discarded and replaced. it is the biggest radioactive waste by volume for a plant, and the most difficult to dispose safely.
monkeyman1140 3 years ago
Im a nuclear engineer/operator you idiot...
1) nuclear plants have different designs, the plant i work in has 4 loops, not 2.
2) its not "radioactive water"... no such thing dipshit. Heavy water is NOT in these plants. Theres radioactive CRUD IN the water. its called "coolant"
3) the "Waste" water from the S/G's is fucking called steam.
4) waste water? no. Discharges go to storage tanks and is reused.
anymore bright ideas dipshit? the "waste" is from crud and spend fuel, not water.
JgHaverty 3 years ago
21 years old nuclear operator...
podsol99 3 years ago
You should really look at the big picture. theres more to it then just "2 loops and a steam generator".
Lets talk about pressurizer system, coolant purification, pressure relief, charging, ... god I can go all day with this shit, thank you for wasting your/my time with your asinine posts.
JgHaverty 3 years ago
JgHavery @ You should learn the difference between "then" and "than". Misuse makes you look even MORE ignorant.
CrudeDude 3 years ago
Engineers are not English Majors... I should know. I have only had to take 6 credits of pure English, and about 20+ credits of math just to get into the major. There is a requirement as an engineer to use propper grammar to communicate effectively. But when communicating orally, it makes little differance of which "than/then" I use if I communicate the idea correctly. We speak the language of math, the english is not really pushed as hard as the science.
gfriedline 3 years ago 2
It's the people in Nevada that don't want nuclear anything in their state, including Governor Kenny Guinn.
milofonbil 3 years ago 2
That's more of a political problem than a logistical one.
Darkwizzrobe 2 years ago
BOOM
TheGeardawg 3 years ago
Well said Kizzfan. That the ludites jumped on this video and asserted that this is dangerous and nuclear power is bad shows just how misled they are. They don't even understand extremely basic plant operation.
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
A TRIP was always a lot of extra work.
But what was the cause of the trip in the first place??? For the full story see my web page by clicking (more) at > About This Video above and to the right,...just under my user name KIZZFAN73... click on the address of my web page.
KIZZFAN73 3 years ago
Basically they would recirculate the feed water into the polishing building until the Chemistry department would give a go ahead for operations to do a start up, reactor start up.
The entire process following a reactor trip was a hassle for all the departments. Operations had to do a lot of valve manipulations. Chemistry department had to monitor and adjust chemicals in the feed water system. Our department had to lower and then raise Nuclear Instrumentation set points for start up....
KIZZFAN73 3 years ago
Operations hated to see this happen, because the water which makes up this steam that is being vented to the atmosphere is very clean water. This Feed water was polished up to have the minerals removed, which was a costly process. After a reactor trip, operations always had a hard time getting secondary chemistry of the feed water back into acceptable parameters.
KIZZFAN73 3 years ago
When a reactor trip occurs, various valves open and close between the turbine and the steam generators. Actually, the steam supply between the steam generators and the turbine is completely shut off and auxiliary feed water supplies the steam generators to COOL DOWN the primary loop through the secondary loops of the steam generators. But the steam has nowhere to go, turbine is tripped, so the only path is to vent to atmosphere. This is what the video is showing.
KIZZFAN73 3 years ago
Reducing the reactors power level corresponded reduced the turbine power output requiring less steam and less pressure for that steam, i.e. Main Steam. During a normal ramp up or ramp down these Pressure Control Valve's, that the video depicts, were never used because there was a balance between reactor power and turbine power.
The video depicts a Pressure Control Valve modulating to control pressure in the steam generators. I shot this video right after a reactor trip at 100% power.
KIZZFAN73 3 years ago
"Venting steam from the steam generators is a standard cool down method after shutdown, its called stage one cool down."
You're partially correct, At Surry, coast down generally preceded cool down in preparing to go into a refueling outage. In other words, the reactors power level was gradually deceased from 100% to 90% to 80% etc. as the nuclear fuel was losing its ability to keep Tave up at 100% levels.
KIZZFAN73 3 years ago
k all you tard bards, venting steam from the steam generators is a standard cool down method after shutdown, its called stage one cool down.
usbiker133t 3 years ago
this is from dimona nuc reactor?
pashok1989 4 years ago
"Would you have put such an alarming title if it was a coal or oil power station ??"
Absolutely !! The intention for the title of this video is to draw attention to the injustices this company is puting its employees through.
Coal or Nuclear, when someone gets fired for something that ammounts to a joke, the company has gone to far. Hopefully the top management will be the only thing to implode.
During my time there I found the overall "physical" condition of the plant to be safe.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
They're just blowing steam off. This happens all the time on power stations around the world, usually during commissioning or when they've dropped a lot of load.
Would you have put such an alarming title if it was a coal or oil power station ??
Doug
djcope11 4 years ago
As stated before, I titled this video in this fashion to draw attention to the fact that management at Dominion has run amok with power, greed and intimidation.
And evidently they,(Dominion), do not like the attention this video is getting. Youtube keeps kicking it down the list and trying to deep 6 it. Gee Youtube, has "DOMINION" been puting the heat on you to get rid of this video?
They, DOMINION, are the most evil people I have ever delt with!
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
This isn't smoke, it is just steam. Hot water.
It is irresponsible to label this video "[nuclear plant] Ready To Blow?". This is just some steam blowing off. You'll see the same thing coming out of a train in the 1800's, for pete's sakes.
daveeyes 4 years ago
Oh my gah!
Datsalota smoke!
Hope you could breathe!
Wacoswim 4 years ago
Taking away health care is a very effective way to intimidate. My son just broke his wrist skating and now with no job or health care I'm left to shoulder the entire burden.
As far as Surry being one of the most respected and well known plants,... you have never talked to the old timers there and heard the storys about them using a boat to get around in the containment building basement, where the reactor is, to work on equipment. Most of these older guys have died of brain cancer recently.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
Yes GypsyMagick, I was unjustly fired after 16 years of hard and faithful service.
For the full story see my web page by clicking (more) at > About This Video above and to the right, just under my user name KIZZFAN73...
In trying to silence me the company, DOMINION, wanted to strike fear and intimidation into the rest of the remaining work force. But by terminating me they also destroyed the financial stability of my family and also left us without health care insurance.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
thrummer1953 your right. Ive worked there for a year and havent recieved any radiation or even got sick. Most of the people I work with have been there 20 to 30 years and there in almost perfect health
GypsyMagick 4 years ago 2
Dude, just check out my web page and then talk to the hand....
See my web page by clicking (more) at > About This Video above and to the right, just under my user name KIZZFAN73...
I spent 4 years getting my Nuclear Instrumentation certification and Reactor physics and thermodynamics are not disciplines of social studies....
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
BUT WHY DID THE REACTOR TRIP ??? Inexperience of the operating staff ??
Systems that were not maintained properly ??
For more about this miserably managed Nuclear Power Plant see my web page by clicking (more) at > About This Video above and to the right, just under my user name KIZZFAN73...
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
ITs very likely Kizzfan that you really don't know anything about how nuclear reactors work.
chrisfigaro 4 years ago
Dude, just check out my web page...
I spent 4 years getting my Nuclear Instrumentation certification and Reactor physics and thermodynamics are not disciplines of social studies....
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
Yes, steam driven feed water pump would be a good guess, but notice the steam blast is modulating. When we ran the steam driven feed pumpm at Surry the steam exhaust was constant. We tested the pump every month and it was always a PLANNED event.
I took this video right after a reactor trip, (an un-planned event). Most often the case with a trip at 100% power the secondary pressure will fluctuate. And the pressure relief valve will modulate to control pressure. This is what video is showing.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
Big deal, looks like maybe they were doing a steam driven feedpump run. Just like people who believe that cooling towers are emitting polution when it is just steam.
BHMCarlson 4 years ago
WORKERS are not being helped who are now sick with cancer!
Our government pretends -
NUCLEAR = GREEN.
GUESS WHAT:
NUCLEAR DOES NOT EQUAL GREEN!
GUESS WHAT ELSE:
IT NEVER DID!
In fact, IF, in the past 60 years we'd pursued clean and renewable energy resources - wow - we would be soooo ahead of where we are today having taken only steps BACK in time, like a mass of deaf, dumb and blind sheep we keep following greedy, visionless demented leaders right into the toxic sludge holes (they've created).
LouiseMichaels 4 years ago
LM
No one has ever gotten sick working in one of our nuclear power plants .Take your sick Marxist lies ,& shove them up your ass!
thrummer1953 4 years ago 3
LM
No one has ever gotten sick working in one of our nuclear power plants .Take your sick Marxist lies ,& shove them up your ass!
thrummer1953 4 years ago 3
I seriously bet you don't know anything about how nuclear reactors work.
Its usually the "social science" majors who are the loudest complainers when it comes to nuclear energy. Understandable. Be afraid of something you are too stupid to understand.
chrisfigaro 4 years ago 2
Fuel rods are placed in some of he fuel assemblies. A fuel assembly is where the uranium pellets are stacked in tubes, then some of these assemblies have rods engineered to fit within the assembly.
When the rods are lifted out of the assmbly the reactivity of the fuel changes, (increases). So, lift the rods, increase the reactivity of the core, to K-effec=1. Drop the rods, sub critical and shut down the reactor.
At least that's the way it's suppose to work, but this is Surry, so...
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
fuel rods*
hockeyfan229 4 years ago
really dumb question coming here. if you didn't know about that or didn't fix it would the hole damn thing blow up and radiaton goes every wear? i know nothing about Nuclear stuff, i know one thing maybe, if the full rods or what ever rods they call them that are in water and over heat big boom i think? is that right. im guess not though
hockeyfan229 4 years ago
I know for a fact if only one rad monitor would alarm the operator would assume it was a malfunction and not trip reactor. Most likey he would submit a work order to have the rad monitor checked out by a tech, which is what my job was there, instrument tehnicin.
Most of the time it was a fluke spike on the monitor. For instance the discharge rad monitors, every time it rained they would spike. We ask management to fix the problem but they said NO, make it work.
Management sux's there..
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
why are you so upset with surry KIZZFAN73 did you get fired or something. I think its one of the most respected and well known plants.
GypsyMagick 4 years ago
"A steam generator tube rupture should cause an automatic trip when the secondary side radiation alarms start going off."
You would think that is how it would work but... There is no "automatic trip" when it comes to secondary side radiation alarms. The operator must initiate a MANUAL reactor trip by punching the red button, which opens the rod contol power breakers and drops the rods.
So heres the catch, it all depends on who calibrated the scondary side radiation monitors.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
Using sodium in the "cooling loops" (do you all call it that?) helps heat transfer, and preferably, that is more efficient. Stainless steel pressurizes the super heated product, as it does not alloy with the metal. If you have ever exposed table salt to a radioactive source, you'd maybe understand the idea of using Na. Expose some salt to Cs-137, if you ever get the chance. Super heat it after it has been irradiated, neat little experiment.
I can't talk baby talk anymore... too hard!
=)
mahonorchid 4 years ago
Haha... just was screwing around on YouTube and found this...
No, that let-off is not going to blow, and no, there aren't all that many downfalls/inefficiencies with using the highly fisssle U-235.
Benefits over risks? There is ultimately little, minimized risk in nuclear reactors. Using the waste product of U-235 ([A] Thorium-231) to re-supply the reactors is not efficient, let alone not good. Also, it is highly expensive to enrich U-235 to any isotope of Plutonium, which isn't efficient.
mahonorchid 4 years ago
oog like fire. sticks keep oog warm. oog fear nuklur. stone age comfort for all us 6 billion oog.
rigmoran 4 years ago
Let me tell you the true story of the deaths that were caused at the Surry Power Station, owned and operated by Dominion-Virginia Power back in 1986.
It was my first outage at the plant and I was an electrician for a contractor. The outage was coming to an end and I got laid off just as the plant was in the initial phases of starting up. The last people to get laid off were always the insulators because they had to put insulation back on piping after it was removed for maintenance.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
I was at home in WV when my Uncle who worked at Surry full time called me on the phone to tell me the plant had an explosion. He said they were right back into an outage and the contractor wanted everyone who got laid off to come back to work. I had no other job offers at the time and went back to Surry because it was good money. While I was there for this second outage on the same Unit at the plant I learned the details of how the insulators were killed.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
They were up on scaffolding placing insulation next to a feed pump. The scaffolding was only 5 feet off the floor. A safety inspector, (weasel, manager), came up to them and said they needed safety belts if they had to be up on the scaffolding.
Well these guys gave in to the weasel manager and went and got safety belts and tied themselves to the scaffolding just like the SAFETY manual said to. Well while they were installing the insulation on the pipe the Unit tripped
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
When a Unit trips, the feed water system pressure increases. A valve designed to relieve pressure at the feed pump failed to open and the piping these guys were under burst and sprayed them down with extremely hot water and steam.
The real tragedy is, they were tied to the scaffolding with there safety harnesses and couldn't run to get away from the steam. The DICK HEAD manager that told them to use the harnesses was safe back in his air conditioned office when the accident happened.
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
I see the wrong fight being picked too frequently with nuclear. Coral reefs continue to struggle forming skeletons due to increased dissolved carbon dioxide. 0.1~0.2 pH units have already dropped in the ocean since wide scale fossil fuel industrial usage. Advice to all activists (i love your passion!!!): Take some interest in science, get a real education on topics you want to specialize in, and don't anything personal. 1/3 oz. Uranium equals about a ton of coal, very little material to mine.
wolear29 4 years ago
You seem to conveniently forget that you have to mine tons and tons of ore to get 1/3 oz of Uranium. It's highly refined and enriched before it's ever made into a pellet and assembled into a fuel rod.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
4 million tonnes coal vs 0.1 million tonnes uranium ore a year to power the same number of homes. Which one again turns into 9 million tonnes of CO2? Which one again is increasing in capacity capacity yearly thanks to uneducated industrialized energy hogs? Learn yourself this one: Zero tonnes a year of anything if we breed fuel and reprocess. There is an out, you dont have to understand it to demand it. :) I like that slogan!
wolear29 4 years ago
versus zero tonnes of wind, sun or earth's heat.
Breeding does not work to any real extent. The MAXIMUM theoretical breeding ratio is 1.8. And, breeding takes a long time. Breeding produces plutonium and the US is prohibited by the NPT treaty from ever breeding. They can chose to break the treaty and encourage rogue nations or just bury it.
milofonbil 4 years ago
The 4 million tonnes coal versus 0.1 million tonnes uranium argument is not quite correct. Coal has between 15-19 GJ (lignite/sub-bituminous) and 27-30 GJ (bituminous/anthracite) per tonne. Uranium has between 70 to 350 GJ per tonne. Since the Uranium that is being mined today is starting to be the low-grade uranium, it's more like 100 GJ per tonne. So the ratio is not 40 to 1, but more like 8 to 1.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
The point I was trying to make is that Uranium mining is not like finding an extremely powerful nickel laying on the ground, but it's very intensive. All of the mining, milling and processing is very CO2 intensive. So in turn, the reactor may indeed not produce CO2, but the entire process of nuclear power sure does. In fact, it's only about 1/2 as bad a coal.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
unless we reprocess the waste or use breeder reactors of course, then we wouldn't have to do half the mining for twice the energy, plus we wouldn't have nearly as much nuclear waste. To bad it was deemed to "scary" to use.
Bleezz 4 years ago
It was deemed to much of a safeguards risk under NNPT treaty. The treaty was put in force under the Nixon Administration. It's hard to enforce the treaty when we would have to leave the treaty to begin breeding uranium into plutonium.
milofonbil 4 years ago
milo, the treaty was made with whom?
thrummer1953 4 years ago
There are currently 189 countries party to the treaty, five of which have nuclear weapons: the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, and China. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter in order to comply with Pillar I of NPT (non-proliferation), deferred indefinitely the recycling of nuclear spent fuel to limit the proliferation of plutonium. Since breeding works hand in hand with reprocessing. No reprocessing implies no breeding.
Other countries have interpreted the treaty differently
milofonbil 4 years ago
That deferal needs renegotiation.Non-proliferation is not working under these old agreements anyway.
thrummer1953 4 years ago
Talk to your fearless "stay the course" confused leader about it.
milofonbil 4 years ago
Dear milo, Why the hell would I do THAT? I hate that Crypto-Globalist phoney!
thrummer1953 4 years ago
Re-negotiating NPT is not on the table right now. If you want reprocessing in this country, then you need to influence someone in the ruling class like your Senators and Congressman/woman?. Hopefully they need some more money in their war chest. Give them some.
milofonbil 4 years ago
breeding fuel is quite a bit different from the commercial fuel cycle being used. While it worked to produce plutonium for the DOD, it's really not that efficient of a process. There are no commercial breeder reactors running today. Albeit, some experimental ones in France, Japan and Russia.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
Good point, HiTek This means there are tons and tons of tailing piles that are left over from refining tons and tons of uranium ore. Does all that blow in the dust?
milofonbil 4 years ago
Yes, one of the big problems is that the tailing piles (which are full of dust) get picked up by the wind and are carried for hundreds if not thousands of miles downwind.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
its nothing special.
If a nuclear plant has any issues it will be Very well publicized.
a recent situation where there was a large amount of wear in the upper internals of a nuclear plant got large publicization and nothing even happened
madena3 4 years ago
"If a nuclear plant has any issues it will be Very well publicized."
Yea right. Start educating yourself about boiler tube failures. They affect about 1/7 reactors right now. Are you hearing about it? No, not really. They want to build 1000 new reactors according to Bush and Cheney.
milofonbil 4 years ago
And they should, its about the only thing this administration is doing right. the boiler tube failures have nothing to do with the reactors themselves, they are failing because water at high temperatures and pressures is very hard on old plumbing (most of which were built in the 60's). and since no water irradiated water ever leaves the containment building, even if the pipes were to burst, there isn't a chance any radiation would escape into the atmosphere.
Bleezz 4 years ago
When you have a boiler tube failure, water from the primary mixes with water in the secondary cooling loop. Indeed, radiation does escape into the river or lake water used to cool the nuke.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
most systems in use actually have 3 or more separate cooling loops to negate this problem. nevertheless, its all the more reason to eliminate the water cooling system with a gas cooled system, or potentially liquid sodium, either or. It does not however justify demonizing the entire industry.
Bleezz 4 years ago
I'm not demonizing the entire industry, but I'm pointing out a systemic problem with Westinghouse reactors. 1/7 reactors in the US are Westinghouse. And they typically have two cooling loops. And, gas and sodium cooling loops are much hotter and will possibly have worse problems. Please do your homework.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
The benefits would still far outweigh the risks.
Bleezz 4 years ago
Around 45% of US plants are Westinghouse. Most are 3-4 loop plants like Surry built in the 70's and early 80's. A steam generator tube rupture should cause an automatic trip when the secondary side radiation alarms start going off. Secondary water only enters the environment in the situation depicted in this video--which as I said before is a last option.
lwnf360 4 years ago
By the way, if you have a boiler tube failure with a sodium coolant loop, you will have an instant explosion in the reactor vessel. I suppose you have never seen that experiment in Chemistry class.
HiTekVagabond 4 years ago
theres the tricky part, unfortunately in a sodium cooled system that relies on a steam turbine, you're going to have to have them in close proximity, the advantage is we can move this system outside of the reactor housing (via a secondary sodium loop) to prevent a breach of any radioactive material should an accident occur. there is also the possibility of a gas exchanger, though slightly less efficient.
Bleezz 4 years ago
You will always need to make steam somewhere to create a large thermal difference so that you can extract the energy from it. Also, this means that you will need cooling water.
The other bad news with a sodium loop is that you need to keep the sodium liquid even if you take the nuke down for maintenance.
milofonbil 4 years ago
Wow ... that looks just like the scene from China Syndrome from the outside where Jane Fonda is just coming over to visit the plant, right before they go inside and then you see the scene where they had to scram the reactor.
milofonbil 4 years ago
And anyone who brought this to there attention was immediately branded as having a bad attitude. I knew I would never become a senior technician with the supervision that is currently in charge over there.
My hope is that nothing will seriously go wrong over there because we still live fairly close to the plant. Only now I make much less than half what I made at the power company. And also have to work a 12 hour night shift to support my family, all because I spoke the truth....
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago
Thanks for the video. I am so glad I left the nuclear power industry in 1987 and went into telecom. I have never looked back since. I am also glad I went back for my Master's degree.
milofonbil 4 years ago
Point is, anything that was a tough fix was blown off because one of those lazy SOB supervisors would have to get off ther butts and do something. But they were always after employees to make sure they had all the safety gear on, ignoreing the fact that the Nuclear Plant wasen't as safe as it could be. Image is everthing....
KIZZFAN73 4 years ago