Bishop ,you should not ask the lady, to ask Bishop ,you to set her free because you have no power. This is why so many ministers have problem with casting out demons, They want people to gave them praise and not God. But all praise go to our Lord Jesus Christ.
wy this pastor dont talk to the demons and 1 ask them who send them to the ministry? 2 comunicated whit them for a lettle time 3 and them use the autority to them to leave the body and the body of christ and make shore the person its really free because the demons is very freack intil you see that peace on the persons eyes and body dont guive up on a posses person.
New Living Translation (NLT) 43 “When an evil[a] spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, seeking rest but finding none. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ So it returns and finds its former home empty, swept, and in order. 45 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. That will be the experience of this evil generation.”
@sidebarr7 The Lord said ask and you shall receive... you ask not and you receive not. He also says: behold I have given you the power to trample upon serpents and scorpions and over all the power that the enemy ; and nothing shall in any way harm you. Luke 10:19.
you are right thats not just jesus job we have to put some stuff to action who ever u is that said no.. thats Jesus ' jod need to shut there mouth because the bible says we have adority over it. i may be 13 but i no some stuff
The purpose of him telling her to say Bishop was to get her to ask for deliverance... He never stopped her from saying Jesus for the purpose of neglecting the power of God, it was a way of showing Satan that he has no control of her...
@war4christ i think their is special spiritual laws that alot of christians arnt aware of. This man is a bishop, we shouldnt be judgemental as christians because bishop carry higher spiritual athuority then a pastor
bishop has authority in the name of jesus, but he was wrong to stop her saying Jesus name as his name is above every name, not bishop. Anyhow, he should not be mucking about like that, just order it out in the name of jesus
WHAT DOES YOUR SILLY ARGUEMENTS MATTER ! AS LONG AS THE DEMONS COME OUT! CAN YOU CAST OUT A DEMON? THEN SHUT UP!!!! WORRYING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID,THAN WHAT HE JUST DID HOW FOOLISH. lORD I PRAY THAT SO-CALLED CHURCH FOLK WOULD GROW UP!!!
@NostalgicNatasha In sweating in the spirit of warfare there is power in your fluids. That is why Jesus took spit and healed. The anointing is all in us if we are in HIM, so you can use perspiring fluids to heal and deliver!
Any time we sin against God with adultery fornication you are taking on demonic spirits, also watching scary movies with demonic activity in them, listening to idol demonic music knowingly and knowingly will cause a transference of evil spirits. This is why god tells us to guard our minds.
John 5:14 - But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, "Now you are well; STOP SINNING OR SOMETHING WORSE WILL HAPPEN TO YOU."
Some of these massive conference have alot of screaming people claiming its warfare crying...it is not. It sounds horffic. Demons terrified of the power of God. There are people screaming in the background, that sound isn't pleasing to God. Bishop Bloomer takes authority over the demonic spirits according the scriptures. And please take note, I said some of the conferences. There are some Holy Ghost filed conferences that I have experienced. Satan truly is a liar and he can't stop God.
The resurrecting Power is in every man woman and child that has accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior over their lives....All Hail King Jesus....we your children anticipate your Return.
I'm not saved and I wouldn't be anywhere near this chick. I don't want demons coming out of her and following me around I have enough of my own demons. This is some scary mess. For real.
Okay if that demon came out it had to go somewhere in that church on somebody! All them people standing in there aint saved! My pastor tells the people that aint strong in the Lord to get back!
So what about this text in the bible Matthew 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. instead of the debate have bible study on the topic.
There is alot of things that we just don't understand. What this man of God is doing is being instructed by the power of God to move to get this girl set free. I think many people should watch Bob Larson. You think this is something. I went to Bob Larson's ministry and saw exactly what this man of God is doing right now. Unfortunately, we are religious and ignorant we have no clue.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THAT LADY NAMED MONIQUE WAS POSSESSED WITH A REAL DEMON. Did she even get delivered? Why this man put his sweat on her? MONIQUE CAME FOR REAL DELIVERANCE, NOT FOR THAT MAN TO TELL HER WHAT TO PRAY, THAT'S NOT HOW YOU GET DELIVERED.
@hope518 I understand. It is dangerous to watch this. I honestly don't know what to say about the people around them. But I honestly feel that this woman has not been delivered. It seems like this "bishop" got scared for a moment.
If you want to see a real powerful man of God then you gotta watch Major Prophet T. B. Joshua. Major Prophet T. B. Joshua is a prophet like those in biblical years.
Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed. 1 Peter 2:24
You don't like Long claiming he's a homosexual...and your way of pointing this out is by calling him a piece of "ish". I'm sure that really proves your point!
Sorry if I'm stepping on someone's toes by saying this...but this man has a lack of power in his life. Mark 1:23-27 & Matthew 8:28-33 exemplifies how we as believers who HAVE power are supposed to cast out spirits...No where in scripture did Jesus slather people with oil or whisper in there ear, he commanded them to leave & the spirits left...God please help the church
ok..and when jesus was casting spirits out yeah ur right he didn't use oil thats because we already had the oil on his hands through the power of God. But one thing you have to understand is that with the laying on of hands that is used as to represent the power of God not speaking but through contact is where the anointing lies... Because i can speak to a spirit and that doesn't mean that its coming out but i have to use the power God has placed in me to lay hands on them...
@bishopslholdenjr In every situation the laying on of hands is not necessary...Now im not condemning laying on of hands nor am I condemning oil, I'm just saying that it takes entirely to long for him to cast out spirits if he has so much power
Why does the amount of time it takes defines the amount of power he has, it does not matter. In any case the spirit is gone, the demon is gone, deliverance is there! Get the message listen open your ear to what God is trying to say through this video and don't be so quick to comment on how he chooses to work.
In addition to what i previously stated, he EVEN SAID that it takes a different amount of time for spirits to depart and he back up from the bible. PLEASE LISTEN!!!
Forget what HE says open up the BIBLE & go by that...George Bloomer is not the the example JESUS is & that is who I listen too... & please give me these scriptures that he references...
Listen from 6:09 - 6:34 please listen to how he says within that portion of the straightway way i believe i heard him say the word " hour" and minutes" no sure length was said or demaned in order to cast out the demons. If you want some scripture proof since you must see everything you believe and not recognize the true power of God when it is there then maybe you should open your BIBLE once more and read. No rudeness or disrespect intended.
Forget what Bishop Bloomer says and does, Have you done the researched yourself ? Jesus commanded Spirits to leave and in that moment they left, it wasn't a matter of hours or days. To say that is limiting God's power! Let me put away my Books for a minute and come to you with commonsense. Why would it take GOD over an HOUR or DAYS to cast out spirits He ALREADY has authority over? Please help me understand this theory and if it makes sense I will take it in stride, and admit that I am wrong.
God chooses to move in anyway he pleases. Must i remind you that God has authority over all of us, yet still he takes hours ,years and days to mold us and moves us out of our own personal Egypt, all because he has given us the ability to choose! He does not impose himself upon anyone.
The way this "theory" as you call it will work is if you take into account the fact of God might allow the demon to choose whether or not to obey the sovereign lord and return back to hell or to stay and face God's wrath in which you witness ( if you have witness) the foaming and writhing, and screaming and craziness happening to the demon as he is being cast out.
The stubbornness of the spirit is what causes the limit. Whatever choice the spirit makes determines how long it will last, but then when the choice is made, then he rids the demon.
But all this is said out of our mere minds ( yes both) as sorry attempts to try & understand God, which we will never be able to do. So on second thought You and I can give our many opinions and theories as much as we want but yet the true answer will never be found until God himself reveals to us his thoughts and his ways.
and unless he has done that to either of us i suggest that you and i both stop, shut up,stop trying to understand/ put definite answers to his ways, and let God move according to whatever he seems fit, be it a second, hour, or years. No rudeness or disrespect intended.
Brother I think we should end as well because if you believe "that God might allow the demon to choose whether or not to obey the sovereign lord" Then obviously we can get no where...Good day
Tiggamax. You are exactly right, and hold your ground. There is nowhere in scripture that God had to revisit someone later to finish casting a demon out. He has complete authority over them, and when he says come out, they don't have an option. Where Bloomer messed up is when he's saying Bishop is going to get you free today. Bishop has no authority; Jesus does. He put his flesh in the way, that's why it was a struggle! Read Acts 19:13-17. I'm not so sure that the demon was cast out.
@lkitash44 Thank You for understanding what I have been saying...I dare not keep repeating myself for ignorant people, so I decided to end the conversation, but thank you for having commonsense...
@lkitash44 yes u better preach!! cuz he gave his self the glory not god!!!! n im not understanding y is they watchin like its a tv show when they therm selvs needed to be praying!!! demons r real n they jump just like spirits!!! it serem so fake and he need to get some order because god does everything in decency and in order!!!
I know who Jesus Crist is sweetie, N if ur on "YOUTUBE" speaking to me on why I should believe that Demonic Spirits can take over your body..............................Than I have nothing further to say to you. It would be a waste of time.
I'm sorry but I just don't believe in Demonic Spirits possesing the body. It's B.S. I never wouldv'e thought that Fantasia would be attending a church where this goes on. (IF YA DON'T KNOW THERE IS A CLIP OF HER IN THIS CHURCH UNDER THE WORSHIP OF THIS "MAN")
Who told you you know everything. There are lots of things that are happening in the spirit realm and the natural realm that you know nothing about. The Holy bible says that "my people perish because of lack of knowledge. I bet you dont even read the bible and if you do you dont understand it. The sad part is you have no frame of reference to base your "dont believe on". I pray that you will come to know who Jesus Christ is and then the mysteries of life will become very clear to you. Amen
@LShoniXXX the clip with Fantasia was not at this church it was at Bishop Noel Jone's Church in Los Angeles, Bishop Bloomer was preaching there as a guest. This is New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georga under Bishop Eddie L. Long. Bishop Bloomer is also preaching here as a guest. Bishop Bloomer is the pastor of Bethel Family Worship Center in Raleigh, North Carolina. Just and FYI so you know what your talking about while you go around talking about people on youtube. : )
where in the bible does it say to use oil for the demon possessed???....ya getting tooo offended to quickly...i dont care about your opinions im asking for facts!!/..lol..ya to low for me..stop trying to cover error with spirituality..and give bible facts!
POESIA, HOLY OIL has MANY different jobs, you can use it to anoint your home, anoint your body and to cast out demons as well so If youre not sure of something, then you sgouldnt pass judgement!! they BIBLE says JUDGE NOT, SO YOU WILL NOT BE JUDGED!!!!!!!
he's using oil to rebuke a demon??..lmaoooooooooooooo...he's anointing a possess person...the anointing oil is not used for that!!..you rebuke a demon in the name of Jesus....not using oil!!!..
If you were listening he never said in the name of oil. He said in the name of JESUS. using the oil is a simble. Why do people use oil to anoint their house? Its not the oil that keeps people away it is JESUS. But people still use oil to pray for people because it is simbal of anointing. So teach then because i don't understand what you are talking about. It sounds to me like you are trying to just find fault or stand out by challenging. I m confused by your statement. Do you read the bible?
@810suited .... Come on, any person that is saved and with any common sense knows that he meant He is gonna set you free THROUGH the power of God. We should be carefull of being so jugemental, by this man walking in this level of power of God he is WELL AWARE that they power he operates in is the power of the Holy Ghost
@worshipiswhatido ... are you implying that I'm not saved, and that I have no common sense? Because I am pretty sure I have common sense, and 100% positive that Jesus has saved me. I believe with all my heart that the Lord delivers ppl from demonic possession, and I don't see this as just a slip of the tounge when he says "bishop's gonna set you free", I think this shows his mindset... that he is doing this. Jesus alone can deliver.
@worshipiswhatido are you implying I am not saved? That is judging right there friend. I know exactly what he means, but him speaking as if he is doing it is wrong.
@810suited the virtue of a man of God can say that because he knows what he has and that demon knows what he has and ultimately Jesus does do it because evil can't cast out evil!
@810suited I'm sure that's what he meant. He was speaking in the terms that he was not going to stop waring for she deliverance and as well as walk her through the things she needed to do to fight for herself.
@810suited Read your word, Our feet bruise the heads of demons and there heads bruise our heels. If he said I will set you free, it was by the power of God , in which he calls forth the name of Jesus continuously! Read Psalms 82:6 then you will see somewhat the authority he speaks in!!!
@810suited Wow.... really...come now people of God let's stop being so dense... y'all know that he did not mean it that way... people just love to find a reason to hate on somebody... We need to check ourselves as Christians and stop being so up in the clouds with our interpretations.
I really wish that I knew of some TRUE preachers who have accounts on YouTube or Twitter. Most of them that I have run across are courting celebrities and followers and compromising God's word or not sharing it at all because they want to build these mega-churches where they remain afraid to preach the truth because they want to be richer and will have even bigger bills to pay at the Mega churches and they can not afford to lose any members.
I will recommend that you watch some of the videos by Bishop Charles E. Blake. He does not personally have a YouTube or Twitter account, but he does have some very practical messages that have been posted by his members.
Also Bishop G.E. Patterson has videos posted and he preaches the full gospel as well. Be very careful of ministries that do not teach against sin and that tells you that you can do whatever you want. Trust me, there is only temporary gratification in that.
Whether it means equality or literally is less important than finding all of these atheists and lost souls on YouTube and Twitter and witnessing to them.
Too many Christians are accustomed to jumping in and correcting other Christians rather than witnessing to the lost. If you can at least get them back into the church, they can do the cross-references and draw their own conclusions abt what is just a metaphor or literal or their clergy can help them w/ that when they open their hearts.
Now let's challenge ourselves to stop preaching to choir and invade some of these atheist videos and share what we know. We both know that we can both quote, throw out and compare scriptures all day long, which will only confuse the lost because they will feel that if we can't agree on the bible as Christians, what's the use. It's time to stop this. Please spread the word.
I want to say that I respect everything that you have shared and I love you with the Love of Jesus Christ.
No matuber. There are christian who reject the trinity and just believe in father god. No matter how its explained...there is one god. The spirit is what god is. I read a book explaining why the trinity is not real biblical doctrine.
I agree to a large extent that overly focusing on divinity issues of the Trinity is not wise, although I do believe that Jesus was above and beyond the capability of any other human being. I saw an interesting report in the past about virgin births in science and nature. Apparently, according to it, virgin births are not completely unheard of through most species, but when you approach the complexities of human DNA, the odds approach almost astronomical probabilities, but are not impossible..
Can one truly be a "christian" while rejecting any part of Christianity or the "book" which is to be used as a guideline for christianity?
The Lord gave me this analysis, regarding the trinity, last night while I was preparing something: Marget is a "Mother, Daughter, and a Missionary". Under each name, she performs and relates differently. But she is still only ONE.
The most important thing to remember is that GOD is the CREATOR. He made US and not we ourselves.
So he are we as a mere "CREATION" to only believe things from the BIBLE regarding GOD, if it makes logical sense to us? How can we ever understand the DEITY who created everything and everyone. If you or another human being came to be proclaiming to be God, you would have to make sense. This is why when God, in the form of Jesus, walked the earth, he was less respected than when he ascended back into heaven.
So, sure it makes no sense to us how Jesus sits "at the right hand of the father" and yet he is the father, the son, and the holyghost. It makes no sense because we can play three roles but we can not sit next to ourselves.
But again, he created all existence, but we can't believe that he can sit next to himself. How arrogant of us! Don't you think? Perhaps that is why he gives some people out of body experiences, so that they can better understand how you can be right next to yourself.
The father, the son and the holy spirit are just maifestations of the living God. The right hand just means equality. Revelation 4 talks about God's throne and if you compare it to Revelation 22 verse 3 the lamb and the father sit on the same throne. God is one but for the love he had for us he manifested in the flesh he died physically and rose again for us physically. Please read 1 Timothy 3:16. Any questions feel free to mail me - i'd be happy to help any one. God bless you.
We must remember that when we are speaking with someone who has little or no faith, we have to do our best to deliver in a natural sense first. If one does not believe in the spirit or immortality, you have to find a different way to talk to them. Many people these days have to understand it as it written before they are wiling to accept interpretaions about what "sitting at the right hand means."
"So, sure it makes no sense to us how Jesus sits "at the right hand of the father" and yet he is the father, the son, and the holyghost"
Well start to research where the bible came from and who wrote it...then these contradictions will make sense...you will see that each man wrote according to his own nderstanding...which is why Mt Mk Lk all have different accounts.
Try just waking up each day Thanking God for what he HAS done and for whatever he is going to do. Each day tell someone of something that God has done for you if it's nothing but keeping you and your family safe from starvation and harm for one more day. Remember that he owes us nothing. We owe him everything for sacrificing his son. Try 2 approach life from that position 4 one week and put GOD first in everything that you do. Witness for him!
I used to be a big time christian...usedto belive every end time story i was told...used to follow every word of the bible.. it did nothing for me. I wanted mental peace most of all but never god it.
I never got mental peace from God till I quit caring so much about myself & watched God deliver me from circumstances beyond my control in such an unexplainable way that I knew I could trust Him to benevolently take care of every aspect of my life way better than I could ever hope to do myself. Once we truly know our human nature, we know that existing individually is too limiting for us to succeed as a species, or our species would never have survived evolution to this point. Love conquers all!
Speaking of end times, & metaphors for us to be able to relate to them with discernment; In our pollution filled atmosphere, the moon can get quite blood red.. So can the ocean around here with the more frequently occuring red tides.. How bout the whore of babylon with her lands of silver & merchants relating to the US govt.'s emperialistic rape of poorer countries? And the mark of the beast with the fact of almost all transactions taking place with a barcode with the optical appearance of 666..
Yes the moon can appear blood red..but why accept the bible when there is no proof for it...most prayers are not answered. If you speak to a mountain, it wont move. Like i said. I used to be xtian. But realized it was empty..heavy on the rules..but no peace or satisfaction. I am sorry i wasted so much time...looking for god.
History & physics have confirmed truths in the bible more & more as our understandings of science have grown. Science examined the red sea crossing, & found physical evidence that it happened. Adam & Eve weren't the first people on this planet, but were the first to walk with God. Why would Cain need a mark for the world to know him, when only his family, who should be able to recognize him, are the only others around? 777 years old in lunar years is 64.75 in solar years. (cont..)
(cont..) I've seen mountains move metaphorically, & Jesus was all about metaphors. I promise you, God's love is not empty, there is only two "rules" in christianity- love the Supreme Creator above all else, & love your neighbor as yourself. People are heavy on rules, not God. God put the fruits of the earth here for us to enjoy, but not to put them as higher priority over Him (rule #1). Being absolved from guilt, stress, and death is one of the greatest gifts of peace & satisfaction He gives us
"History & physics have confirmed truths in the bible more & more as our understandings of science have grown"
Science has partially agreed to some events of the bible. The jesus figure has not been verified. In fact there were many jesus's living during that time and many people saying they were god. Most of what we know about jesus comes out of the mouth of paul.
Out of all the people that claimed to be a God or a Son of God, only one shared a message that has proven Itself to all of my moral beliefs and standards, that I believe all humans have (or had at one time...). All others demanded worship, and forced obedience to laws of decency & reason (laws of man), that not one human being on this planet has the capacity of being able to fully meet their expectations, without falling short. The untwisted Truth of christianity is nothing but love. Luke 10:27
have you looked for him to do your will or his..your ways are not his ways.....and the name of jesus works in power...and faith...prayers are not answered because people use god like a sugar daddy
Much of the bible is written in metaphors. The bible is not talking about a literal mountain, but a problem. When it speaks about it being easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of the camel than for him to be saved, it is not talking about an animal, but a very difficult strip of land to cross. I hope that you will not miss heaven based on the fact that you "leaned unto your own understanding".
To my understanding at least, the only unforgiveable sin is grieving the Holy Spirit. I believe this translates to knowing God without doubt in your heart, and then rejecting Him, like the fallen ones. If we throw out blasphemy as an unforgiveable sin against a person who doesn't fully understand God and all of His Ways, we take the risk of invoking a spirit &/or sense of Guilt on someone. btw.. thank you for being one of the few christians here trying their best to show only love, God bless you
Sorry for any confusion on my part, I was hoping that you had references to your statement about what gave you assuredness in knowing that the unpardonable sin is not about doubt.. My opinions on the subject come from much research on scripture pertaining to the matter, and prayer on logical conclusions to be drawn from it as well. btw.. I do not believe many humans have known God personally with proven faith to the point of truly having the capability to reject (grieve) the Holy Spirit of God..
obviously...but sandro is right...none of it can be proved. Is hell literal, is the MoB literal, is 144000 literal, was the snake in the garden literal...most would say yes
God can prove much to us if we give Him the opportunity, which often is not easy. My studies of hell have led me to the concept of sheol, which is likened by some to be akin to an astral plane. Being a ghost or spirit trapped there with no or few physical means to make an impact on the physical world around them would give most of them a chance to convict their own conscience according to the way they lived their life when they had 5 or 6 senses to positively interact with the world around them.
I respect all of your deductions and you will find that I don't debate with Christians. If I see a need to be a witness, I will do that to the best of my ability considering any time constraints that I may have. Slight interpretations are less important to me than losing a soul, therefore I will refrain from publicly sharing any non-crucial disagreements that I have with your statements.
I will say that God always knew that we are not perfect, but he sent his SON to die on the cross for the very sins that are being committed today. LUST, GREED, FORNICATION, IDOL Worship and etc. Killing and LOVING=HELL. (KILLING+LOVE=HELL) (KILLING+LOVE+REPENTANCE=REDEMPTION)
LOVE IS "A" KEY THAT UNLOCKS THE DOOR, BUT REPENTANCE IS THE MASTER KEY. And I must add that ungodly repentance can lead to reprobate spirits.
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In response to what you say...dont you realize that you are saying god is imperfect and not omnicient. God knew we weren't perfect but sent his son(which is really himself) to die for us b/c of what eve did? It makes no sense. Also why did he wait to send this son....no one accepted him as savior during OT times. Most people believe things without realizing what they actually believe.
*I tried to email you but you haev friend lock on.
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that he did not make us perfect. He always gave us free will. Adam and Eve chose to exercise their freedom to be disobedient and there was a price to pay. I don't know if you have children, but imagine how much more trouble they would get themselves in to if parents did not make rules in spite of knowing that some would be broken.
When the rules are broken in the natural sense, we expect an apology although we will still set some form of punishment. Draw parallels between the natural sense of punishment and apology and the spiritual sense of repentance and consequences. The New Testament suggests that the long history of Israel was necessary in order to make some things plain to the world and in order to enable us to grasp the meaning of the incarnation of God's son.. Read (1 Cor. 10:6,11; Rom. 15:4).
brother the bible say "a fool will say in his heart, there is no god" you are classified as a FOOL! so why should i fuss with you! the bible also say "every knee shall bow and tong confess the JESUS is LORD!" trust! you will say he is Lord, now or later!!!!
The bible also says if you call someone a fool you are in danger of hellfire....Jesus is lord? Then why do his words return void? Why are his people unsatified and empty?
I will accept your friend request, but I won't have much time to talk until after next weekend. I am very busy with something right now. I am just taking a little time to talk to sandroeleven, because tomorrow is not promised to anyone and I want my book of life to show that I assisted those who were in need of something at all times. Perhaps you can share some scriptures with her as well when I am not able to log in as often as I would like. God Bless You!
Thank you matuber, I await with patience your acceptance of my friend request when the Lord spares you the time. The Lord has shown Himself to me most powerfully, and I would love for the opportunity to testify His Works in my life to you in a private forum that we can both relate to, without any outside witnesses possibly becoming confused..
I have spoken to situations in my life. Spoke to them with belief and power, nothing happened. We are flesh here on earth and to teach that we are really immortal beings is unproven and in a way deceitful. There are many homosexuals asking god to change their desires and nothing happens...that is all i am saying.
I hear what you are saying and it's unfortunate that some preachers are teaching the bible in a way that benefits them, but when you read it for yourself, you will know that more than anything, God wants us to abide in him and his word abide in us. When this happens, we will become satisfied with HIS will in our lives, and we will only pray that HIS will be done. We were never meant to be here forever, when we pray for extended lives and etc., it must be according 2 his will.
And the more that we humble ourselves and strive to please Jesus, our longing for worldly gain minimizes. This allows God to give riches to those whom HIS plan allowed for reasons that we will never know. But by remembering that it is all temporary, it helps us to understand some of his ways. We can not figure him out. If we could, we would probably crucify him just as we did his SON.
May I ask you what it was that you did when you humbled yourself? Did you visit prisons, nursing homes, hospitals and tell about the goodness of GOD? There are many ways, but I am interested in knowing how you went about doing that.
Nope ..you cannot tell of the 'goodness' of the bible god..when you haven't rec'd the peace you were looking for. When I volunteered, it should have been b/c i want to.
Nothing happened with your timing, but God's timing doesn't always agree with ours. We lack a collective conscience that can let us see the forest through the trees, so to say. For some reason or another, God requires us to have our faith tested. I believe it has something to do with us accepting the choice to believe in Him, without Him taking any unfair advantages over our freedom of choice. If He is heavy-handed in proving faith to us, it makes the choice too easy, and without having merit.
God can do EVERYTHING for us ONLY if we let Him.. He goes out of His way to let us choose His presence in our lives for ourselves, even by letting us stumble and suffer. He does not wish to shove Himself down our throats. Anybody who claims to be a christian that preaches otherwise is missing the point of Jesus teaching us to love our neighbor as ourselves and to teach & admonish with love and patience, not fear & guilt. Ask Him to show Himself to you, you may be surprised with the results...
if only we let him??!?! So we decide? No way. The bible says god directs our paths and then he determines our way...Can you see the flip flops the bible makes.
Both are true.. Even if we don't believe in Him, He will use us in His plan for creation, but if we do believe in Him, He can prove Himself to us in such a dramatic way that there is no probable or logical explanation otherwise. I am as skeptical as they come, I challenge my faith in numerous ways. What are seven days to God? A day is like a thousand years to God, for a point of relation that our minds can understand metaphorically. Evolution? No problemo, not enough space to share that though..
I never say God will prove Himself instantly, but I know of testimonies where He has within minutes, and dramatically, too. The skeptic actually made the faith leap to pray to God to ask Him to prove Himself to her, too. There's a big risk of nothing happening if one doesn't take a chance to open their mind to possibilities... He usually greatly rewards leaps of faith that have good intentions, in my experiences at least.
Scriptures say that ALL will have their chance to be saved (from death), to take that literally would encompass the possibility of those who die without a fair chance would be given another shot at life. If you look at it from that perspective, God doesn't see a physical life being lost as a loss, or any tragedy being permanent..
This video is retarded and fake! The powers of indoctrination, fucking ridiculous.
ehill1390 2 weeks ago in playlist pastorjackie'slist
@ehill1390 Sounds like you have a "FAKE" one too.
Bless you and yours,
~Arceic
Arceic 1 week ago
Bishop ,you should not ask the lady, to ask Bishop ,you to set her free because you have no power. This is why so many ministers have problem with casting out demons, They want people to gave them praise and not God. But all praise go to our Lord Jesus Christ.
GSEBFCHURCH 2 months ago
I couldnt help but to cry when I saw this.
MrPaulryan76 2 months ago
wy this pastor dont talk to the demons and 1 ask them who send them to the ministry? 2 comunicated whit them for a lettle time 3 and them use the autority to them to leave the body and the body of christ and make shore the person its really free because the demons is very freack intil you see that peace on the persons eyes and body dont guive up on a posses person.
Ipanima88 2 months ago
@Kween, lol too funny but true. @cigars, there are many things that we do on a regular basis that will open the door to evil spirits.
ProphetsOfTheArts 5 months ago
He should've turned around and laid hands on Eddie Long...just seen him hidin behind the pulpit....Hmmm....
kweenb79 5 months ago 2
Fill your heart with the WORD OF GOD people and guard your hearts from the wiles of Satan!
kbranson83 6 months ago
Matthew 12:43-45
New Living Translation (NLT) 43 “When an evil[a] spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, seeking rest but finding none. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ So it returns and finds its former home empty, swept, and in order. 45 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. That will be the experience of this evil generation.”
kbranson83 6 months ago
my God
Tiger44140 8 months ago
You cannot command the spirit of God to come on anyone ,We dont command God.
Fat preachers dont Fast.or pray.
sidebarr7 8 months ago
@sidebarr7 The Lord said ask and you shall receive... you ask not and you receive not. He also says: behold I have given you the power to trample upon serpents and scorpions and over all the power that the enemy ; and nothing shall in any way harm you. Luke 10:19.
juju557788 7 months ago
You cannot command the spirit of God to come on anyone ,We dont command God.
sidebarr7 8 months ago
you are right thats not just jesus job we have to put some stuff to action who ever u is that said no.. thats Jesus ' jod need to shut there mouth because the bible says we have adority over it. i may be 13 but i no some stuff
MrMusic1318 8 months ago
where is the faith of the saints ?
dellabrook 9 months ago
My bro, cuz, and myself sat down at a diner with him and talked for two hours. He is the real deal !!
mizzbass 11 months ago
The purpose of him telling her to say Bishop was to get her to ask for deliverance... He never stopped her from saying Jesus for the purpose of neglecting the power of God, it was a way of showing Satan that he has no control of her...
war4christ 11 months ago
@war4christ i think their is special spiritual laws that alot of christians arnt aware of. This man is a bishop, we shouldnt be judgemental as christians because bishop carry higher spiritual athuority then a pastor
jesussavior1364 3 weeks ago
bishop has authority in the name of jesus, but he was wrong to stop her saying Jesus name as his name is above every name, not bishop. Anyhow, he should not be mucking about like that, just order it out in the name of jesus
toiwin 1 year ago
Eddie got a look on his face like he mad with Bloomer
smashher 1 year ago
Praise God!
What4ish 1 year ago
WHAT DOES YOUR SILLY ARGUEMENTS MATTER ! AS LONG AS THE DEMONS COME OUT! CAN YOU CAST OUT A DEMON? THEN SHUT UP!!!! WORRYING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID,THAN WHAT HE JUST DID HOW FOOLISH. lORD I PRAY THAT SO-CALLED CHURCH FOLK WOULD GROW UP!!!
denjet8888 1 year ago 3
WHAT DOES YOUR SILLY ARGUEMENTS MATTER ! AS LONG AS THE DEMONS COME OUT! CAN YOU CAST OUT A DEMON? THEN SHUT UP!!!!
denjet8888 1 year ago
OK , I don't get why he is wiping his sweat all over people. I've never seen that before.
NostalgicNatasha 1 year ago
@NostalgicNatasha In sweating in the spirit of warfare there is power in your fluids. That is why Jesus took spit and healed. The anointing is all in us if we are in HIM, so you can use perspiring fluids to heal and deliver!
prodlj 1 year ago
@prodlj, It makes sense. I kind of figured that is what it was, it just wasn't sure. :-)Thanks for explaining.
NostalgicNatasha 1 year ago
@NostalgicNatasha I was wondering the same thing?
ginaluv3613 1 year ago
WoW, In Jesus Name.
SHALYTA31 1 year ago
POWERFUL!!!!!
TheFrancine56 1 year ago
Any time we sin against God with adultery fornication you are taking on demonic spirits, also watching scary movies with demonic activity in them, listening to idol demonic music knowingly and knowingly will cause a transference of evil spirits. This is why god tells us to guard our minds.
John 5:14 - But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, "Now you are well; STOP SINNING OR SOMETHING WORSE WILL HAPPEN TO YOU."
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sprinkle888 1 year ago
This is a highly annoited man of God! Bishop Blommer is no joke, you have to be called of god to deal with these kind of force of darkness.
BisJet01 1 year ago
Some of these massive conference have alot of screaming people claiming its warfare crying...it is not. It sounds horffic. Demons terrified of the power of God. There are people screaming in the background, that sound isn't pleasing to God. Bishop Bloomer takes authority over the demonic spirits according the scriptures. And please take note, I said some of the conferences. There are some Holy Ghost filed conferences that I have experienced. Satan truly is a liar and he can't stop God.
Hizpavilion 1 year ago
they need to be praying IN THE NAME OF JESUS, JESUS JESUS JESUS!!!!
TiyahNicole 1 year ago
The resurrecting Power is in every man woman and child that has accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior over their lives....All Hail King Jesus....we your children anticipate your Return.
amorsota94 1 year ago
That definitely wasn't her scream.
10jaseera 1 year ago
Eddie Longs Face this whole time is funny. But the power of God is amazing...
mickibear704 1 year ago
Awesome!
Xxglitz1 1 year ago
if i wus those ppl next to her i would have been so scared
Sweetgift4rmGod 1 year ago
@Sweetgift4rmGod me 2
KingB234 1 year ago
I thought I heard scream. It was her.
Modacolorist 1 year ago
oh wow.. this is Awesome.. praise God shes been delivered... now the angels and elders are rejoicing in heaven..
happyofa 1 year ago
Agree with "810suited"! Bishop has ZERO authority to set anyone free...but under the authority of the Holy Ghost!
esedrew77 1 year ago
I'm not saved and I wouldn't be anywhere near this chick. I don't want demons coming out of her and following me around I have enough of my own demons. This is some scary mess. For real.
SheFellfrmtheSky 1 year ago
the bible speaks that every tongue shall confess....
ministerofdance 1 year ago
Both women were delivered. a demon can't confess Jesus!
trayluvmedia 1 year ago
Okay if that demon came out it had to go somewhere in that church on somebody! All them people standing in there aint saved! My pastor tells the people that aint strong in the Lord to get back!
loveman07 1 year ago
So what about this text in the bible Matthew 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. instead of the debate have bible study on the topic.
ChurchofFaith 2 years ago
There is alot of things that we just don't understand. What this man of God is doing is being instructed by the power of God to move to get this girl set free. I think many people should watch Bob Larson. You think this is something. I went to Bob Larson's ministry and saw exactly what this man of God is doing right now. Unfortunately, we are religious and ignorant we have no clue.
iamaksd 2 years ago
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THAT LADY NAMED MONIQUE WAS POSSESSED WITH A REAL DEMON. Did she even get delivered? Why this man put his sweat on her? MONIQUE CAME FOR REAL DELIVERANCE, NOT FOR THAT MAN TO TELL HER WHAT TO PRAY, THAT'S NOT HOW YOU GET DELIVERED.
DruPetty42 2 years ago
@DruPetty42 this scares me.. if people watch this wont there be some consequences?? are the ppl around them okay
hope518 2 years ago
@hope518 I understand. It is dangerous to watch this. I honestly don't know what to say about the people around them. But I honestly feel that this woman has not been delivered. It seems like this "bishop" got scared for a moment.
DruPetty42 1 year ago
FIrst time I seen bishop nervous! I love to see God bring his people to new levels!!!! This was something else!
Maxdamagnificent 2 years ago
to Maxdamagnificent:
If you want to see a real powerful man of God then you gotta watch Major Prophet T. B. Joshua. Major Prophet T. B. Joshua is a prophet like those in biblical years.
Stefan990 2 years ago
Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed. 1 Peter 2:24
Do you people not know that its finished??
jungian9111 2 years ago
it is God working thr him... Let him use you man of God
36027a 2 years ago
Eddie Long is a piece of SH#$%t. He is a homosexual and I dontlike him or trust him.
tbursee 2 years ago
You don't like Long claiming he's a homosexual...and your way of pointing this out is by calling him a piece of "ish". I'm sure that really proves your point!
kneosoul 2 years ago
Sorry if I'm stepping on someone's toes by saying this...but this man has a lack of power in his life. Mark 1:23-27 & Matthew 8:28-33 exemplifies how we as believers who HAVE power are supposed to cast out spirits...No where in scripture did Jesus slather people with oil or whisper in there ear, he commanded them to leave & the spirits left...God please help the church
Tiggamax 2 years ago
ok..and when jesus was casting spirits out yeah ur right he didn't use oil thats because we already had the oil on his hands through the power of God. But one thing you have to understand is that with the laying on of hands that is used as to represent the power of God not speaking but through contact is where the anointing lies... Because i can speak to a spirit and that doesn't mean that its coming out but i have to use the power God has placed in me to lay hands on them...
bishopslholdenjr 2 years ago
@bishopslholdenjr In every situation the laying on of hands is not necessary...Now im not condemning laying on of hands nor am I condemning oil, I'm just saying that it takes entirely to long for him to cast out spirits if he has so much power
Tiggamax 2 years ago
Why does the amount of time it takes defines the amount of power he has, it does not matter. In any case the spirit is gone, the demon is gone, deliverance is there! Get the message listen open your ear to what God is trying to say through this video and don't be so quick to comment on how he chooses to work.
southpole2189 2 years ago
In addition to what i previously stated, he EVEN SAID that it takes a different amount of time for spirits to depart and he back up from the bible. PLEASE LISTEN!!!
southpole2189 2 years ago
Forget what HE says open up the BIBLE & go by that...George Bloomer is not the the example JESUS is & that is who I listen too... & please give me these scriptures that he references...
Tiggamax 2 years ago
Listen from 6:09 - 6:34 please listen to how he says within that portion of the straightway way i believe i heard him say the word " hour" and minutes" no sure length was said or demaned in order to cast out the demons. If you want some scripture proof since you must see everything you believe and not recognize the true power of God when it is there then maybe you should open your BIBLE once more and read. No rudeness or disrespect intended.
southpole2189 2 years ago
Forget what Bishop Bloomer says and does, Have you done the researched yourself ? Jesus commanded Spirits to leave and in that moment they left, it wasn't a matter of hours or days. To say that is limiting God's power! Let me put away my Books for a minute and come to you with commonsense. Why would it take GOD over an HOUR or DAYS to cast out spirits He ALREADY has authority over? Please help me understand this theory and if it makes sense I will take it in stride, and admit that I am wrong.
Tiggamax 2 years ago
God chooses to move in anyway he pleases. Must i remind you that God has authority over all of us, yet still he takes hours ,years and days to mold us and moves us out of our own personal Egypt, all because he has given us the ability to choose! He does not impose himself upon anyone.
southpole2189 2 years ago
The way this "theory" as you call it will work is if you take into account the fact of God might allow the demon to choose whether or not to obey the sovereign lord and return back to hell or to stay and face God's wrath in which you witness ( if you have witness) the foaming and writhing, and screaming and craziness happening to the demon as he is being cast out.
southpole2189 2 years ago
The stubbornness of the spirit is what causes the limit. Whatever choice the spirit makes determines how long it will last, but then when the choice is made, then he rids the demon.
southpole2189 2 years ago
But all this is said out of our mere minds ( yes both) as sorry attempts to try & understand God, which we will never be able to do. So on second thought You and I can give our many opinions and theories as much as we want but yet the true answer will never be found until God himself reveals to us his thoughts and his ways.
southpole2189 2 years ago
and unless he has done that to either of us i suggest that you and i both stop, shut up,stop trying to understand/ put definite answers to his ways, and let God move according to whatever he seems fit, be it a second, hour, or years. No rudeness or disrespect intended.
southpole2189 2 years ago
Brother I think we should end as well because if you believe "that God might allow the demon to choose whether or not to obey the sovereign lord" Then obviously we can get no where...Good day
Tiggamax 2 years ago
Kool no prob. Great conversation!!!
southpole2189 2 years ago
Tiggamax. You are exactly right, and hold your ground. There is nowhere in scripture that God had to revisit someone later to finish casting a demon out. He has complete authority over them, and when he says come out, they don't have an option. Where Bloomer messed up is when he's saying Bishop is going to get you free today. Bishop has no authority; Jesus does. He put his flesh in the way, that's why it was a struggle! Read Acts 19:13-17. I'm not so sure that the demon was cast out.
lkitash44 2 years ago
@lkitash44 Thank You for understanding what I have been saying...I dare not keep repeating myself for ignorant people, so I decided to end the conversation, but thank you for having commonsense...
Tiggamax 2 years ago
@lkitash44 yes u better preach!! cuz he gave his self the glory not god!!!! n im not understanding y is they watchin like its a tv show when they therm selvs needed to be praying!!! demons r real n they jump just like spirits!!! it serem so fake and he need to get some order because god does everything in decency and in order!!!
MsHill3 2 years ago
GOD Bless you I said the same thing when i was watching it.
jayzjayz32494 2 years ago
@bishopslholdenjr Oil is only for the sick. Jesus did a small amount of miracles; the Apostles did much more. After a while, the miracles waned.
monsieurpickles 1 year ago
Good POint
bigfanofgod 2 years ago
People just because you don't believe in something DOES NOT make it false... Maybe it just doen't fit your lifestyle, check yourself.
misskat6 2 years ago
Wow you sure did set me str8. I'm sure the world is a much better place now that you have spoken.NEXT.............................
LShoniXXX 2 years ago
Bishop gonna make you free?!?!?! C'mon. Bishop can't do nothing. This appears to be more of a show, than a real demon being cast out.
M1Archangel 2 years ago
coooooooooooool! Amen!
butter808fly 2 years ago
I know who Jesus Crist is sweetie, N if ur on "YOUTUBE" speaking to me on why I should believe that Demonic Spirits can take over your body..............................Than I have nothing further to say to you. It would be a waste of time.
LShoniXXX 2 years ago
I'm sorry but I just don't believe in Demonic Spirits possesing the body. It's B.S. I never wouldv'e thought that Fantasia would be attending a church where this goes on. (IF YA DON'T KNOW THERE IS A CLIP OF HER IN THIS CHURCH UNDER THE WORSHIP OF THIS "MAN")
LShoniXXX 2 years ago
Who told you you know everything. There are lots of things that are happening in the spirit realm and the natural realm that you know nothing about. The Holy bible says that "my people perish because of lack of knowledge. I bet you dont even read the bible and if you do you dont understand it. The sad part is you have no frame of reference to base your "dont believe on". I pray that you will come to know who Jesus Christ is and then the mysteries of life will become very clear to you. Amen
bumperstickersamen 2 years ago
@LShoniXXX the clip with Fantasia was not at this church it was at Bishop Noel Jone's Church in Los Angeles, Bishop Bloomer was preaching there as a guest. This is New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georga under Bishop Eddie L. Long. Bishop Bloomer is also preaching here as a guest. Bishop Bloomer is the pastor of Bethel Family Worship Center in Raleigh, North Carolina. Just and FYI so you know what your talking about while you go around talking about people on youtube. : )
militantprince09 2 years ago
You're right except Bethel is in Durham not Raleigh.
kneosoul 2 years ago
he is using oil for a point of contact
mobdt 2 years ago
where in the bible does it say to use oil for the demon possessed???....ya getting tooo offended to quickly...i dont care about your opinions im asking for facts!!/..lol..ya to low for me..stop trying to cover error with spirituality..and give bible facts!
PoesiaCoreada7 2 years ago
POESIA, HOLY OIL has MANY different jobs, you can use it to anoint your home, anoint your body and to cast out demons as well so If youre not sure of something, then you sgouldnt pass judgement!! they BIBLE says JUDGE NOT, SO YOU WILL NOT BE JUDGED!!!!!!!
nahsmom 2 years ago
he's using oil to rebuke a demon??..lmaoooooooooooooo...he's anointing a possess person...the anointing oil is not used for that!!..you rebuke a demon in the name of Jesus....not using oil!!!..
PoesiaCoreada7 2 years ago
If you were listening he never said in the name of oil. He said in the name of JESUS. using the oil is a simble. Why do people use oil to anoint their house? Its not the oil that keeps people away it is JESUS. But people still use oil to pray for people because it is simbal of anointing. So teach then because i don't understand what you are talking about. It sounds to me like you are trying to just find fault or stand out by challenging. I m confused by your statement. Do you read the bible?
brucelee473 2 years ago
It really bothers me some of this is muted...I'm offended frankly...what is there to hide I ask?
TheGraceofChrist 2 years ago
"bishop's gonna set you free"
no.. thats Jesus' job
810suited 2 years ago 21
@810suited .... Come on, any person that is saved and with any common sense knows that he meant He is gonna set you free THROUGH the power of God. We should be carefull of being so jugemental, by this man walking in this level of power of God he is WELL AWARE that they power he operates in is the power of the Holy Ghost
worshipiswhatido 1 year ago 22
@worshipiswhatido ... are you implying that I'm not saved, and that I have no common sense? Because I am pretty sure I have common sense, and 100% positive that Jesus has saved me. I believe with all my heart that the Lord delivers ppl from demonic possession, and I don't see this as just a slip of the tounge when he says "bishop's gonna set you free", I think this shows his mindset... that he is doing this. Jesus alone can deliver.
810suited 1 year ago
@worshipiswhatido RIGHT!!!!
Maestroboi08 1 year ago
@worshipiswhatido are you implying I am not saved? That is judging right there friend. I know exactly what he means, but him speaking as if he is doing it is wrong.
810suited 1 year ago
@worshipiswhatido If he was operating in the power of the Holy Ghost, he never would have said, "bishop's gonna set you free."
DruPetty42 1 year ago
@810suited the virtue of a man of God can say that because he knows what he has and that demon knows what he has and ultimately Jesus does do it because evil can't cast out evil!
sumostar23 1 year ago
@810suited He doesn't mean himself , he means he's going to do it through JESUS. *Prophet Avery Brown*
gospelman4life 1 year ago
@810suited I'm sure that's what he meant. He was speaking in the terms that he was not going to stop waring for she deliverance and as well as walk her through the things she needed to do to fight for herself.
ceddagr8 1 year ago
@810suited, I know I'm a year late, but I totally agree with you. I thought I was the only one to see that. I was like what in the world?
NostalgicNatasha 1 year ago
@810suited Read your word, Our feet bruise the heads of demons and there heads bruise our heels. If he said I will set you free, it was by the power of God , in which he calls forth the name of Jesus continuously! Read Psalms 82:6 then you will see somewhat the authority he speaks in!!!
prodlj 1 year ago 4
@810suited Wow.... really...come now people of God let's stop being so dense... y'all know that he did not mean it that way... people just love to find a reason to hate on somebody... We need to check ourselves as Christians and stop being so up in the clouds with our interpretations.
quetnique 9 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
the fuck are those bodyguards doing nearby
pabon7 2 years ago
I really wish that I knew of some TRUE preachers who have accounts on YouTube or Twitter. Most of them that I have run across are courting celebrities and followers and compromising God's word or not sharing it at all because they want to build these mega-churches where they remain afraid to preach the truth because they want to be richer and will have even bigger bills to pay at the Mega churches and they can not afford to lose any members.
God is not pleased...
matuber 2 years ago
I will recommend that you watch some of the videos by Bishop Charles E. Blake. He does not personally have a YouTube or Twitter account, but he does have some very practical messages that have been posted by his members.
Also Bishop G.E. Patterson has videos posted and he preaches the full gospel as well. Be very careful of ministries that do not teach against sin and that tells you that you can do whatever you want. Trust me, there is only temporary gratification in that.
matuber 2 years ago
Whether it means equality or literally is less important than finding all of these atheists and lost souls on YouTube and Twitter and witnessing to them.
Too many Christians are accustomed to jumping in and correcting other Christians rather than witnessing to the lost. If you can at least get them back into the church, they can do the cross-references and draw their own conclusions abt what is just a metaphor or literal or their clergy can help them w/ that when they open their hearts.
matuber 2 years ago
Now let's challenge ourselves to stop preaching to choir and invade some of these atheist videos and share what we know. We both know that we can both quote, throw out and compare scriptures all day long, which will only confuse the lost because they will feel that if we can't agree on the bible as Christians, what's the use. It's time to stop this. Please spread the word.
I want to say that I respect everything that you have shared and I love you with the Love of Jesus Christ.
matuber 2 years ago 3
sandroeleven,
There are many books that explain the Trinity. You have 2B open 2 receiving it.
This is my simplified way of explaining it & u may wish 2 do more reading about it if u can grasp this concept:
God is the planner, Jesus is the tool used 2 tell of the plans, & the Holy Spirit is the action that allows people 2 put the plan N2 motion.
Take three rings that are multi-colored & bonded together. One is God. One is Jesus. One is the Holy Spirit. All ONE. Different Duties.
matuber 2 years ago
No matuber. There are christian who reject the trinity and just believe in father god. No matter how its explained...there is one god. The spirit is what god is. I read a book explaining why the trinity is not real biblical doctrine.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
I agree to a large extent that overly focusing on divinity issues of the Trinity is not wise, although I do believe that Jesus was above and beyond the capability of any other human being. I saw an interesting report in the past about virgin births in science and nature. Apparently, according to it, virgin births are not completely unheard of through most species, but when you approach the complexities of human DNA, the odds approach almost astronomical probabilities, but are not impossible..
secretagentman006 2 years ago
sandroeleven,
Can one truly be a "christian" while rejecting any part of Christianity or the "book" which is to be used as a guideline for christianity?
The Lord gave me this analysis, regarding the trinity, last night while I was preparing something: Marget is a "Mother, Daughter, and a Missionary". Under each name, she performs and relates differently. But she is still only ONE.
The most important thing to remember is that GOD is the CREATOR. He made US and not we ourselves.
matuber 2 years ago
So he are we as a mere "CREATION" to only believe things from the BIBLE regarding GOD, if it makes logical sense to us? How can we ever understand the DEITY who created everything and everyone. If you or another human being came to be proclaiming to be God, you would have to make sense. This is why when God, in the form of Jesus, walked the earth, he was less respected than when he ascended back into heaven.
matuber 2 years ago
So, sure it makes no sense to us how Jesus sits "at the right hand of the father" and yet he is the father, the son, and the holyghost. It makes no sense because we can play three roles but we can not sit next to ourselves.
But again, he created all existence, but we can't believe that he can sit next to himself. How arrogant of us! Don't you think? Perhaps that is why he gives some people out of body experiences, so that they can better understand how you can be right next to yourself.
matuber 2 years ago
The father, the son and the holy spirit are just maifestations of the living God. The right hand just means equality. Revelation 4 talks about God's throne and if you compare it to Revelation 22 verse 3 the lamb and the father sit on the same throne. God is one but for the love he had for us he manifested in the flesh he died physically and rose again for us physically. Please read 1 Timothy 3:16. Any questions feel free to mail me - i'd be happy to help any one. God bless you.
ZakiusUK 2 years ago
ZakisUk,
We must remember that when we are speaking with someone who has little or no faith, we have to do our best to deliver in a natural sense first. If one does not believe in the spirit or immortality, you have to find a different way to talk to them. Many people these days have to understand it as it written before they are wiling to accept interpretaions about what "sitting at the right hand means."
matuber 2 years ago
"So, sure it makes no sense to us how Jesus sits "at the right hand of the father" and yet he is the father, the son, and the holyghost"
Well start to research where the bible came from and who wrote it...then these contradictions will make sense...you will see that each man wrote according to his own nderstanding...which is why Mt Mk Lk all have different accounts.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
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biblefarce 2 years ago
Try just waking up each day Thanking God for what he HAS done and for whatever he is going to do. Each day tell someone of something that God has done for you if it's nothing but keeping you and your family safe from starvation and harm for one more day. Remember that he owes us nothing. We owe him everything for sacrificing his son. Try 2 approach life from that position 4 one week and put GOD first in everything that you do. Witness for him!
Please let me know in one week how that goes.
matuber 2 years ago
I used to be a big time christian...usedto belive every end time story i was told...used to follow every word of the bible.. it did nothing for me. I wanted mental peace most of all but never god it.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
I never got mental peace from God till I quit caring so much about myself & watched God deliver me from circumstances beyond my control in such an unexplainable way that I knew I could trust Him to benevolently take care of every aspect of my life way better than I could ever hope to do myself. Once we truly know our human nature, we know that existing individually is too limiting for us to succeed as a species, or our species would never have survived evolution to this point. Love conquers all!
secretagentman006 2 years ago
Speaking of end times, & metaphors for us to be able to relate to them with discernment; In our pollution filled atmosphere, the moon can get quite blood red.. So can the ocean around here with the more frequently occuring red tides.. How bout the whore of babylon with her lands of silver & merchants relating to the US govt.'s emperialistic rape of poorer countries? And the mark of the beast with the fact of almost all transactions taking place with a barcode with the optical appearance of 666..
secretagentman006 2 years ago
Yes the moon can appear blood red..but why accept the bible when there is no proof for it...most prayers are not answered. If you speak to a mountain, it wont move. Like i said. I used to be xtian. But realized it was empty..heavy on the rules..but no peace or satisfaction. I am sorry i wasted so much time...looking for god.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
History & physics have confirmed truths in the bible more & more as our understandings of science have grown. Science examined the red sea crossing, & found physical evidence that it happened. Adam & Eve weren't the first people on this planet, but were the first to walk with God. Why would Cain need a mark for the world to know him, when only his family, who should be able to recognize him, are the only others around? 777 years old in lunar years is 64.75 in solar years. (cont..)
secretagentman006 2 years ago
(cont..) I've seen mountains move metaphorically, & Jesus was all about metaphors. I promise you, God's love is not empty, there is only two "rules" in christianity- love the Supreme Creator above all else, & love your neighbor as yourself. People are heavy on rules, not God. God put the fruits of the earth here for us to enjoy, but not to put them as higher priority over Him (rule #1). Being absolved from guilt, stress, and death is one of the greatest gifts of peace & satisfaction He gives us
secretagentman006 2 years ago
"History & physics have confirmed truths in the bible more & more as our understandings of science have grown"
Science has partially agreed to some events of the bible. The jesus figure has not been verified. In fact there were many jesus's living during that time and many people saying they were god. Most of what we know about jesus comes out of the mouth of paul.
kmcl11 2 years ago
Out of all the people that claimed to be a God or a Son of God, only one shared a message that has proven Itself to all of my moral beliefs and standards, that I believe all humans have (or had at one time...). All others demanded worship, and forced obedience to laws of decency & reason (laws of man), that not one human being on this planet has the capacity of being able to fully meet their expectations, without falling short. The untwisted Truth of christianity is nothing but love. Luke 10:27
secretagentman006 2 years ago
have you looked for him to do your will or his..your ways are not his ways.....and the name of jesus works in power...and faith...prayers are not answered because people use god like a sugar daddy
909bjy 2 years ago
sandroeleven,
Much of the bible is written in metaphors. The bible is not talking about a literal mountain, but a problem. When it speaks about it being easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of the camel than for him to be saved, it is not talking about an animal, but a very difficult strip of land to cross. I hope that you will not miss heaven based on the fact that you "leaned unto your own understanding".
matuber 2 years ago
It is better to say "I Am Not Sure" than to say, "I Do NOT Belive" BLASPHEMY is the one unforgiveable sin. God Bless You Sister!
matuber 2 years ago
To my understanding at least, the only unforgiveable sin is grieving the Holy Spirit. I believe this translates to knowing God without doubt in your heart, and then rejecting Him, like the fallen ones. If we throw out blasphemy as an unforgiveable sin against a person who doesn't fully understand God and all of His Ways, we take the risk of invoking a spirit &/or sense of Guilt on someone. btw.. thank you for being one of the few christians here trying their best to show only love, God bless you
secretagentman006 2 years ago
"I believe this translates to knowing God without doubt in your heart, and then rejecting Him, like the fallen ones'
No committing the unpardonable sin is not about doubt.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
References, please?
secretagentman006 2 years ago
References..for what?
sandroeleven 2 years ago
Sorry for any confusion on my part, I was hoping that you had references to your statement about what gave you assuredness in knowing that the unpardonable sin is not about doubt.. My opinions on the subject come from much research on scripture pertaining to the matter, and prayer on logical conclusions to be drawn from it as well. btw.. I do not believe many humans have known God personally with proven faith to the point of truly having the capability to reject (grieve) the Holy Spirit of God..
secretagentman006 2 years ago
obviously...but sandro is right...none of it can be proved. Is hell literal, is the MoB literal, is 144000 literal, was the snake in the garden literal...most would say yes
biblefarce 2 years ago
God can prove much to us if we give Him the opportunity, which often is not easy. My studies of hell have led me to the concept of sheol, which is likened by some to be akin to an astral plane. Being a ghost or spirit trapped there with no or few physical means to make an impact on the physical world around them would give most of them a chance to convict their own conscience according to the way they lived their life when they had 5 or 6 senses to positively interact with the world around them.
secretagentman006 2 years ago
secretagentman006,
I respect all of your deductions and you will find that I don't debate with Christians. If I see a need to be a witness, I will do that to the best of my ability considering any time constraints that I may have. Slight interpretations are less important to me than losing a soul, therefore I will refrain from publicly sharing any non-crucial disagreements that I have with your statements.
matuber 2 years ago
I will say that God always knew that we are not perfect, but he sent his SON to die on the cross for the very sins that are being committed today. LUST, GREED, FORNICATION, IDOL Worship and etc. Killing and LOVING=HELL. (KILLING+LOVE=HELL) (KILLING+LOVE+REPENTANCE=REDEMPTION)
LOVE IS "A" KEY THAT UNLOCKS THE DOOR, BUT REPENTANCE IS THE MASTER KEY. And I must add that ungodly repentance can lead to reprobate spirits.
God Bless You! If you would like to discuss this further, please inbox
matuber 2 years ago
In response to what you say...dont you realize that you are saying god is imperfect and not omnicient. God knew we weren't perfect but sent his son(which is really himself) to die for us b/c of what eve did? It makes no sense. Also why did he wait to send this son....no one accepted him as savior during OT times. Most people believe things without realizing what they actually believe.
*I tried to email you but you haev friend lock on.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
sandroeleven,
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that he did not make us perfect. He always gave us free will. Adam and Eve chose to exercise their freedom to be disobedient and there was a price to pay. I don't know if you have children, but imagine how much more trouble they would get themselves in to if parents did not make rules in spite of knowing that some would be broken.
matuber 2 years ago
When the rules are broken in the natural sense, we expect an apology although we will still set some form of punishment. Draw parallels between the natural sense of punishment and apology and the spiritual sense of repentance and consequences. The New Testament suggests that the long history of Israel was necessary in order to make some things plain to the world and in order to enable us to grasp the meaning of the incarnation of God's son.. Read (1 Cor. 10:6,11; Rom. 15:4).
matuber 2 years ago
brother the bible say "a fool will say in his heart, there is no god" you are classified as a FOOL! so why should i fuss with you! the bible also say "every knee shall bow and tong confess the JESUS is LORD!" trust! you will say he is Lord, now or later!!!!
may God continue to bless the "FOOL" which is you
Terrance Ruffin
terranceruffin 2 years ago
The bible also says if you call someone a fool you are in danger of hellfire....Jesus is lord? Then why do his words return void? Why are his people unsatified and empty?
sandroeleven 2 years ago
Please respond to my friend request, so I may apologize and share (not argue) in a more private forum..
secretagentman006 2 years ago
secretagentman006,
I will accept your friend request, but I won't have much time to talk until after next weekend. I am very busy with something right now. I am just taking a little time to talk to sandroeleven, because tomorrow is not promised to anyone and I want my book of life to show that I assisted those who were in need of something at all times. Perhaps you can share some scriptures with her as well when I am not able to log in as often as I would like. God Bless You!
matuber 2 years ago
Thank you matuber, I await with patience your acceptance of my friend request when the Lord spares you the time. The Lord has shown Himself to me most powerfully, and I would love for the opportunity to testify His Works in my life to you in a private forum that we can both relate to, without any outside witnesses possibly becoming confused..
secretagentman006 2 years ago
I have spoken to situations in my life. Spoke to them with belief and power, nothing happened. We are flesh here on earth and to teach that we are really immortal beings is unproven and in a way deceitful. There are many homosexuals asking god to change their desires and nothing happens...that is all i am saying.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
sandroeleven,
I hear what you are saying and it's unfortunate that some preachers are teaching the bible in a way that benefits them, but when you read it for yourself, you will know that more than anything, God wants us to abide in him and his word abide in us. When this happens, we will become satisfied with HIS will in our lives, and we will only pray that HIS will be done. We were never meant to be here forever, when we pray for extended lives and etc., it must be according 2 his will.
matuber 2 years ago 2
And the more that we humble ourselves and strive to please Jesus, our longing for worldly gain minimizes. This allows God to give riches to those whom HIS plan allowed for reasons that we will never know. But by remembering that it is all temporary, it helps us to understand some of his ways. We can not figure him out. If we could, we would probably crucify him just as we did his SON.
matuber 2 years ago 2
Again...humbling myself wont do it. I have tried already. However i can believe in god...just not the man made version of god we find in the bible.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
Sandroeleven,
May I ask you what it was that you did when you humbled yourself? Did you visit prisons, nursing homes, hospitals and tell about the goodness of GOD? There are many ways, but I am interested in knowing how you went about doing that.
matuber 2 years ago
Nope ..you cannot tell of the 'goodness' of the bible god..when you haven't rec'd the peace you were looking for. When I volunteered, it should have been b/c i want to.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
Nothing happened with your timing, but God's timing doesn't always agree with ours. We lack a collective conscience that can let us see the forest through the trees, so to say. For some reason or another, God requires us to have our faith tested. I believe it has something to do with us accepting the choice to believe in Him, without Him taking any unfair advantages over our freedom of choice. If He is heavy-handed in proving faith to us, it makes the choice too easy, and without having merit.
secretagentman006 2 years ago
God can do EVERYTHING for us ONLY if we let Him.. He goes out of His way to let us choose His presence in our lives for ourselves, even by letting us stumble and suffer. He does not wish to shove Himself down our throats. Anybody who claims to be a christian that preaches otherwise is missing the point of Jesus teaching us to love our neighbor as ourselves and to teach & admonish with love and patience, not fear & guilt. Ask Him to show Himself to you, you may be surprised with the results...
secretagentman006 2 years ago
if only we let him??!?! So we decide? No way. The bible says god directs our paths and then he determines our way...Can you see the flip flops the bible makes.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
Both are true.. Even if we don't believe in Him, He will use us in His plan for creation, but if we do believe in Him, He can prove Himself to us in such a dramatic way that there is no probable or logical explanation otherwise. I am as skeptical as they come, I challenge my faith in numerous ways. What are seven days to God? A day is like a thousand years to God, for a point of relation that our minds can understand metaphorically. Evolution? No problemo, not enough space to share that though..
secretagentman006 2 years ago
He can prove himself..but doesnt.. If god wanted to prove himself...he would do it in a dramatic way.
kmcl11 2 years ago
I never say God will prove Himself instantly, but I know of testimonies where He has within minutes, and dramatically, too. The skeptic actually made the faith leap to pray to God to ask Him to prove Himself to her, too. There's a big risk of nothing happening if one doesn't take a chance to open their mind to possibilities... He usually greatly rewards leaps of faith that have good intentions, in my experiences at least.
secretagentman006 2 years ago
thank you bro
Tone202 2 years ago
Scriptures say that ALL will have their chance to be saved (from death), to take that literally would encompass the possibility of those who die without a fair chance would be given another shot at life. If you look at it from that perspective, God doesn't see a physical life being lost as a loss, or any tragedy being permanent..
secretagentman006 2 years ago
But he does nothing.
kmcl11 2 years ago