Battleships were the premier weapon of the early 20th century, but as this video demonstrates they were nothing more than floating powder kegs looking for a place to detonate.
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This ship was a member of perhaps the best class of battleship ever built, the Queen Elizabeth class, which served with distinction on both world wars.
No battleship was ever invulnerable though, and that is an almighty and awful explosion....
God, look at all the people on the hull, scrambling as the ship rolls, and then gone in the flash of the magazines exploding. Rest in peace, HMS Barham.
My great-grandfather survived this. He swam in the water for hours until he was rescued. The oil from the ship covered the top of the water, and was burning, yet he managed to escape. My heart goes out to those who weren't as lucky.
The magazine. Only a magazine would blow a battleship apart like that. The explosion emanates from around the middle, right where the armoured belt is at it's thickest. Definitely the magazine(s) exploding.
@akaAlexthekid It's both the magazines AND the steamplant exploding . NONE of the stuff inside these ships was designed to remain in place at catastrophic angles of heel , because once the ship passes that critical angle she will capsise and is lost anyway .
The turrets and the rotating structures inside the barbettes usually drop out ( like Bismark's ) , the armoured conning tower tears away ( like Hood ) and the engines and boilers all rip free , allowing vast amounts of steam to vent .
Terrible. It's also tasteless the way this film has been used as stock footage in countless films to represent a sinking ship. There are men dying inside this ship.
@JohnQuincyAdams1 The point I was making was that this film should not be used in fictional films to represent a sinking ship. Among others it was used in the film Earth vs The Flying Saucers to represent the destruction of a US Navy destroyer.
i think you will find that the narrator refering to " the only ship to be sunk by a u-boat " was more than likely trying to keep people's moral at home on a positive. the war office would more than likely not allow the bbc to broadcast any more information than was needed. they would, no doubt, would have liked to have said that it was the only big ship of ww2 to be sunk by a u-boat in the mediterranian at this point in the war, but that would be too much information at the time.
as the ship goes over, you can see the crowd of sailors as a dark mass on the side. they're staying on as the ship could stay afloat for sometime, enabling a rescue possibly. poor sods get blown to high heaven.
Too far aft to be boilers and the shells would most likely all stay intact as they required spin to arm their primers. It is also likely that one torpedo began a cordite fire which reached catastrophic proportions as the ship listed over.
With the ship 'buttoned up' such an explosion would obviously tear it apart. If you watch just after the explosion, the aft extremity of 01 deck peels forward.
"What actually happened was the blast from the X and Y magazines blowing up under the water line propelled me forward at an alarming speed – over and over I went until my shoes were pulled off my feel and my socks just vanished. I seemed to be under the water for ages." Douglas Wilfred Ralphs, survivor: HMS BARHAM ASSOCIATION.
boilers would not cause such a voilent explosion. This is the work of cordite powder, like the explosions that destroyed Mutsu, Vanguard, Invincible, Arizona etc
My grandad was a sailor on that ship he survived the attack it was amazing to listen to the story of how he scrambled along the deck and jumped just before the explosion. Sadly he passed away a week Friday. R.I.P old dood William Taylor Wight.
You've always got to have the utmost respect for people who go out onto the open sea and give their lives like that. I agree, I think regardless of what side of the conflict you stand on with any sinkings of any of the ships, it was always something that no sailor wanted to see.
The Royal Navy lost 3 battleships and 2 battlecruisers in World War II. The battleships HMS Royal Oak and HMS Barham to German U-boats, the battlecruiser HMS Hood to the German battleship DKM Bismarck on this day 69 years ago and the battleship HMS Prince of Wales and battlecruiser HMS Repulse to Japanese aircraft. May they rest in peace, the soldiers, the airmen and the sailors on both sides and the civilians lost in World War II. I can only hope that mankind would never again wage a World War
@rocketshipstud1 Don't you think that it is a bit ironic that the most heavily damaged QE class battleship in that engagement, HMS Warspite, would, in World War II, be a serious headache for German forces?
Even if I think a country is pure evil, not all of them are. Of course I feel empathy for the crew and survivors of the HMS Barham and that fateful day in 1941. But I thank everyone else - even German, Japanese, Italian sailors, etc. But those who commit attrocities and they KNOW it's bad, go to hell XD
11 days earlier, an U-boat also sank the aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal. HMS Barham was the only Queen Elizabeth class battleship sunk in World War II. In a period of 2 weeks, the German U-boats sank 2 British capital ships.
You're right.....but the narrator said "at sea"....Royal Oak was sunk in Scapa Flow....nevertheless big guts from Prien to enter, by then , the most heavily protected naval base in GB.
Also..what happened with the U-boat and its crew, that sunk Barham? i red somewhere that it was sunk shortly after Barham by one of the DD escorts.
Tja. Leider hat das Video eine sehr schlechte Qualität. Schlechte Qualität hat auch das böse Ende der Barham beschleunigt. Die Engländer benutzten Kordit als Treibladung der Geschosse. Daher die Explosion beim kentern des Schiffes.
Bei deutschen Schiffen gab es dieses Problem nicht. Die nutzten kein Kordit.
My grandfather was on board during this tragic loss, he was a Navy Diver,Bert Smith for anyone that knew him, fortunately for me he was one of the lucky survivors, he was burnt and covered in oil but unlike his shipmates was very lucky.
My great-uncle was lucky enough to miss the sailing on her last patrol. IIRC he was posted to the Barham but didn't make it before she left port. That probably saved his life.
My mums brother was killed on the HMS Barham just before his 21st birthday. He was a Engine Room Artificer. She lost another brother the following year also blown up at sea. What a waste of life.
I was speaking today to a gentleman who served on HMS Phoebe, HMS Carlisle and SGB 7 during the war. He was captured after the sinking of SGB 7 and was then a POW for two years.
I am interested to hear from anyone who served or knows someone who served on these ships.
My salut to those who died when the ship was sunk. Although being German, I don't feel any enthusiasm and can realize, what war at sea is about, regardless what nation a Ship belongs to.
But one comment in this video can't be true,that this was the only battleship destroyed by an U-boat.
What about the sinking of the Royal Oak, sunk by Guenther Prien by U-boat U-47 ?
Not really a play on words. The original query was about battleships, which are a particular class of warship. As it happens only one life was lost (Able Seaman Mitchell) in the sinking of the Ark.
HMS royal oak was sunk at scapa flow, the royal navy's main base, and the video said HMS Barham was the only ship to be sunk in OPEN SEA by a uboat in ww2
@gosuc I agree!! I always say that any TRUE sailor hates to see a ship sink, no matter if they are friend OR foe! Its known fact that not one man on Bismarck cheered when they sank HMS Hood, in fact several german sailors said the ship went dead quiet. And no British sailors were happy when Bismarck was sunk, they just had a lot of respect and sorrow for the suffering that goini on on board. This is why I love reading about the war at sea, there always seems to be more respect for the enemy.
It is still the most "chivalrous" form of modern warfare - if there is such a thing - because the theatre of war is so removed from civilisation that it is impossible for there to be civilian interference and thus "accidental" casualties.
It is probably the "purest" from of modern warfare, still.
Since WW2 industrial societies have been more concerned about their impact on the environment, this is probably the only other victim.
@admiraldma Yes, there was. Hitler joked that the Navy (or Kriegsmarine) was the "least Nazi of his Arms", and german crews routinely rescued the crews of sunken ships if possible. BUT there was an order put out after a german U-boat was attacked because it couln´t sink with the rescued crew in tow. The order forbid them from attempting to rescue crews.
Just imagine how hard that is for a sailor....
In fact, most of the conflict in "Das Boot" is the crew vs. that one nazi hardliner XD
@Chrinik Yes I know about that incident, the U boat had a small group of lifeboats full of survivors from a ship she had sunk previously sunk. The U boat captain made sure the survivors were fed and watered and was planning to drop them off with a enemy ship. He even put out radio transmissions asking for allied ships to pick them up if they promised to not to attack him. Unfortunately he was attacked by US patrol aircraft and some survivors were killed, this is what led to the order. Tragic
@gosuc Also, regarding the Royal oak comment, I thought the same, but I wonder if he means when a ship is at sea because he says the only time a german u boat has beat a royal naval destroyer screen. He does not make it very clear though.
@gosuc It is actually true what it says on the clip. The U boat that sunk the Royal Oak did not have to penetrate a destroyer screen as it did with the Barham. It entered Scapa Flow, and sank her while at anchor.. It says that Barham was the only British Battleship to be sunk while being protected by a destroyer screen, not that it was the only British Battleship sunk by a German submarine.
@gosuc The video said the only british battleship to be suck at sea. When the royal oak was suck she was bassiacally a mobile AAA platform as she was still badly damaged and fearing the threat of a german air raid it was decided to disperse the fleet but leave the royal oak for anti-air defence.
@MrBankroot It's British Pathe News; after watching many a BP newsreel, they are biased as f**k! In less vulgar terms, British Pathe (in my opinion) is very propagandist. Chances are they didn't want to add to the shock of this footage by ommitting what you quite rightly point out, that and the fact that the (then) racial embarrasment of the Repulse and PoW being sunk by the Japanese. Something that the propagandist British Pathe News would hate to admit/remind people of.
Of course. But they did have a propaganda war to win too on the home front. No use telling the folks back home how we just lost another 859 men today, everyone would get depressed! The Ministry of Information; in other words the Ministry of Propaganda controlled everything that was officially seen and read. One of the necessities of war if you want to win. I don't think there was any racial embarrassment at all. Were the Americans embarrassed by Peal Harbor? No, just very angry.
@randomrail They weren't sunk by U-boats. Hood was sunk by Bismarck. Repulse and Prince of wales by Japanese torpedo planes/ bombers, based in new guinea.
@coolconfuzer And HMS Hood, even if her and Repulse were in fact Battlecruisers. Hood is considered by soom to have been the first fast battleship, considering her protection was in line with the Queen Elizabeth class of fast battleships.
@mabpt Hood was just overrated. it needed to be refitted right before WW2 broke out but it was never done so they put it out sea even though it had its armor issue. British arrogance strikes again LoL
@coolconfuzer How many other ships of this age and without refit (the one she would of recieved would of made things very different, just by removing the torpedoe tubes alone) had been in action like this. It should be noticed, if it were not for a diffrence of a few seconds, things would of been very different. Hood was a fast battleship in all but name, Repulse with Renown were not much different. Better be in these ships than US cookie cutters or pre cookie cutters in situations like this.
It sucks....they don't make warships like this anymore. The Russians have those missile cruisers and the U.S have aircraft carries and subs are still pretty cool but no gunships.
@coolconfuzer Vanguard is possible the best all round battleship. N3 G3 and I3 were in another league, along with the improved and new Ships years on from the Lions. Also E or F design of or the original lions was up there with the latter Montana's (a really good design). Britain went through some silly we wil only build 40,000ton standard ships for a year or two though.
@gosuc Well, as is often the case with official sounding "news", things are carefully worded to give a certain impression while concealing other uncomfortable truths. In this case, the Royal Oak was sunk by a submarine, but it was in port at the time. Thus, they are correct, Barham was the only British battleship sunk at sea by a U-boat. However, when they also say it was the only time that the British destroyer screen was beaten, that is completely incorrect as a general statement.
Difficult sonar(asdic)in the Med hot cold duct conditions,4" AA amo stored in the former aft torpedo flat dropping out of the wrack's and blowing out the bulkhead to the 15" mag the most probable cause.
@psalm49 I read that the ammunition was improperly stored. She appearently did not carry enough 4" ammunition previously, so they put ammunition wherever it would fit, regardless of saftey.
@naughtyfeline Built to fight the Kaiser's navy before the days of air power , the AA refits to these ships in the late 1930s meant cramming the extra ammunition in wherever it could be stored .
Speculation, but most likely unsecured shells in the magazine room falling off racks etc as the ship rolled over; one or more of them explodes and then sets off the other ammunition in a massive blast.
This ship has an interesting history. Although she was sunk off the coast of Egypt, she served in other operational areas throughout her lifetime. Do a Google search for Barham, Shipwrecks of Egypt to see the ship's history.
My grandfather served on this ship in WW1. He joined the RN aged 16 in 1917 - they weren't too fussy in those days about age. I still have a photo of him on deck with about 7 of his pals.
glad he made it through; i know the UK lost so many people at sea during 1st world war. (and the 2nd too; my mother was a teenager in Southampton when Hood, Glorious, etc were lost. They would hear the news on the radio) i think, (although not sure) Barham was brand-new or close to it in WW1. Rest in Peace all who lost their lives that day in the Mediterranean.
I really admire all this countryes, involved in the most decisive and definitive war ever seen. Italy, UK, France, Germany, Russia, U.S. and Japan...those are real countryes with history to fight for. In Argentina all we got it´s a bunch of corrupt politicians and a lot of stupids thinking when we gonna be a great country. To be a great country, you got to suffer and fight. Here we are, sitting down, waiting for something to happened...you gotta make it hapenned!!! Hails to you all
I really don´t know. Most of the people here was on the fascism side on that time, believe it or not. Untill this days there´s a lot of people that recognizes themselves as nazi sympathizers in Argentina. Maybe that´s the reason. By the way, this country has a huge jewish population as well, so I don´t know.
because there is a lot of white people here,not as in brazil. and when you are discriminated for being white it stars pretty bad country. and considering hitler and staling saw the fall of the capitalims and that the democracy is just an other way of dictatorial goverment,we where neutral, but on the german side. and we are.
ok, fair enough, I asked. just out of curiosity, was there a feeling in Argentina government or people at that time that they should fight on the GERMAN side?
because there is a lot of white people here,not as in brazil. and when you are discriminated for being white it stars pretty bad country. and considering hitler and staling saw the fall of the capitalims and that the democracy is just an other way of dictatorial goverment,we where neutral, but on the german side. and we are.
Barham. Hood. Glorious. Couragous. Prince of Wales. Repulse. Ark Royal. Gloucester. Royal Oak. On & on. 1000's lost. Lives never lived, children never born. How UK & RN managed to keep going in the face of all this is un-believable. But then, what choice did they have. They were fighting the worst enemy they had ever faced. They had to win or it was all over. Best wishes to all in the UK.
I know what happened @ Cape Matapan. I agree, to the memory of those men. As i understand it, Italy was at big dis-advantage because no aircraft carriers. (Mussolini responsible?) I know how the Germans turned on Italy; sank Roma, murdered 1000's, turned the country into battlefield. In my opinion Nazi Germany worst enemy UK ever fought, worst ally Italy ever had. Best wishes also to everyone in Italy. Hope UK/Italy never fight again.
Well,note that blow takes place when the funnel get submerged. This give space to a boiler explosion.Barham had 24 yarrow water tube boilers fitted. The blast starts amidships.i think the scene fits...Combustion is still strong,see the black smoke.
'Now it can be told' sinking kept secret for 2 months Three days later Prince of Wales and Repulse were lost, Braham loss kept top secret till Jan 27 1942. Christmas and New Years cards were printed and mailed, even for dead sailors.
Lord Barham was First Lord of the Admiralty at the time of Trafalgar.
It was his competent and rapid redeployment of the available ships just before the battle that gave Nelson the concentration of ships he needed. Even though he was about 80 years old at the time
Explosion was probably a mercy for many. With the ship already rolling over at that angle not a lot of chance to get out if you were still inside by the time its magazine blew. Better to be instantly blown apart than drown in my opinion.
lol "the only time a German uboat beat the destroyer screen" What about the Royal Oak that was MOORED IN SCAPA FLOW!!! (Even if it wasn't being used for front line duty)
IIR the board of inquiry concluded that nose fused 4" AA shells stored in the former aft torpedo flat fell out of the racks detonated and exploded the 15" mag,same type of shell was found to be extremely dangerous in post war test and is also implicated in some of the Hood theories.
Yes that has to be right,same 4" AA and 15" main guns,only diff Hood was on an even keel and Barham also had 6" secondary guns.
Interesting that the French battleship Bretagn exploded after 4 15" hits from Hood,also the Roma exploded after a guided bomb hit,IJN Mutsu just exploded,Yamato,s explosion seem,s very similar to Barham pos caused by capsize,even the scharnhorst wreck looks to have suffered a main mag exp.
Do you know where I can some good photos of Yamato's wreck. I have seeen some small and black/white but never anything worth a shit???
There's also a theory that Hood's forward magazine may have gone off as the bow is seperate from the mid section. They think the fire from aft traveled through fuel bunkers and blew the forward mags on hood.
the film battleship Yamato has some good shots of the wreck at the start,it was never released in europe got a copy 2 years ago from ebay Hong Kong also a recent expedition I seen on discovery dont remember the name,Hood,s wreck was filmed in 2001 by David Mearns his conclusion that the forward mag,s exploded was not backed by the 2 experts on board,they though it imploded at the bow and broke up along the discontinuity lines a bit like Titanic's stern.
I have a question about barham: After the Royal Oak disaster at scapa flow, Where were Barham's Destroyer escorts when that sub unleashed that savlo of fish??? Considering Barham was a capital shitp If I was her commander I would have a half way decent destroyer screen.
In the Med the Navy was used to dealing with the Regina marina submarines that were none to effective,when the uboats arrive the destroyers were rusty compared to the Atlantic fleet.
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msotil 2 months ago
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Adamlondon999 3 months ago
Battleships were the premier weapon of the early 20th century, but as this video demonstrates they were nothing more than floating powder kegs looking for a place to detonate.
Zyworski 4 months ago
0:21 BABA BOOEY!!!
BarryDennen12 5 months ago
My great uncle Lesley Everett died on the Barham x
CoxandClan 5 months ago
my uncle john smylie a rm died on the barham...rip
rockape560 5 months ago
Very nice explosion at the end of the video...
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matamoros77 7 months ago
@matamoros77 Sure, the British tried to imprision us in the 18th and 19th century, but they actually came through for us in World Wars I and II
starwarsfandude 7 months ago
@matamoros77 Thanks for the intelligent comment. I thought it would have to have been made by a spotty 12 year old but no, you're 33 year old retard!
carl2017 6 months ago
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matamoros77 6 months ago
That was absolutely terrifying.
mamasaid0 8 months ago
@mamasaid0 Were those men trying to get away on the hull like on that ship sunk in WWI where they run back and forth?
I think they went flying in the air when the ship exploded.
SatchmoSings 6 months ago
That's a one steady hand that cameraman had...
prowler900 8 months ago
This ship was a member of perhaps the best class of battleship ever built, the Queen Elizabeth class, which served with distinction on both world wars.
No battleship was ever invulnerable though, and that is an almighty and awful explosion....
wahaya2 8 months ago
My Great Grandfather diedon this ship, I was proud to march with his medals in Canberra with the Royal Navy on ANZAC Day 2011
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malisha70 9 months ago
God, look at all the people on the hull, scrambling as the ship rolls, and then gone in the flash of the magazines exploding. Rest in peace, HMS Barham.
vonjager 9 months ago
My great-grandfather survived this. He swam in the water for hours until he was rescued. The oil from the ship covered the top of the water, and was burning, yet he managed to escape. My heart goes out to those who weren't as lucky.
nickirows 10 months ago
My dad`s cousin went down that ship, he was in the engine room and never stood a chance,
glenn1340 10 months ago
Was that the magazine going up or the boiler? or both?
akaAlexthekid 10 months ago
@akaAlexthekid
The magazine. Only a magazine would blow a battleship apart like that. The explosion emanates from around the middle, right where the armoured belt is at it's thickest. Definitely the magazine(s) exploding.
thestaggie 10 months ago
@akaAlexthekid It's both the magazines AND the steamplant exploding . NONE of the stuff inside these ships was designed to remain in place at catastrophic angles of heel , because once the ship passes that critical angle she will capsise and is lost anyway .
The turrets and the rotating structures inside the barbettes usually drop out ( like Bismark's ) , the armoured conning tower tears away ( like Hood ) and the engines and boilers all rip free , allowing vast amounts of steam to vent .
zarquon53 7 months ago
@zarquon53 thanks for the response =]
akaAlexthekid 7 months ago
You can see the people on deck before the magazine explodes. Not individuals, just the whole group milling about, and then the explosion.
Iluvbuckethead1 1 year ago
Terrible. It's also tasteless the way this film has been used as stock footage in countless films to represent a sinking ship. There are men dying inside this ship.
Cool2BCeltic 1 year ago
@Cool2BCeltic - Virtually any ship being sunk at a time of war has people in it that are dying. No avoiding that reality.
JohnQuincyAdams1 10 months ago
@JohnQuincyAdams1 The point I was making was that this film should not be used in fictional films to represent a sinking ship. Among others it was used in the film Earth vs The Flying Saucers to represent the destruction of a US Navy destroyer.
Cool2BCeltic 10 months ago
Barham is not the only battleship sunk by submarines at sea. What about IJN Kongo sunk by USS Sealion (SS-315) ?
BarreT974 1 year ago
@BarreT974
The narrator said the only "British battleship".
RetSquid 1 year ago
i think you will find that the narrator refering to " the only ship to be sunk by a u-boat " was more than likely trying to keep people's moral at home on a positive. the war office would more than likely not allow the bbc to broadcast any more information than was needed. they would, no doubt, would have liked to have said that it was the only big ship of ww2 to be sunk by a u-boat in the mediterranian at this point in the war, but that would be too much information at the time.
tubbymarshall 1 year ago
as the ship goes over, you can see the crowd of sailors as a dark mass on the side. they're staying on as the ship could stay afloat for sometime, enabling a rescue possibly. poor sods get blown to high heaven.
tubbymarshall 1 year ago
@tubbymarshall Yes, unfortunately so. My great uncle Tom Simpson was somewhere in that ship when it blew up. Needless to say he was killed.
RattytheSecond 1 year ago
The narrator pronounces the ship's name wrong, I think.
The first 'a' was correctly pronounced like the 'a' in 'barren', not like the 'a' in 'barmaid'.
(My father served on the ship between the wars.)
llezsoeg 1 year ago
R.I.P
robbo3419 1 year ago
Has the Barhams wreck been located?
ToonandBBfan 1 year ago
actually it was that ship's boilers that blew..if it was the magazine there would've been tracer everywhere.
TigerIPanzer 1 year ago
@TigerIPanzer
Cordite magazine expolsion.
Too far aft to be boilers and the shells would most likely all stay intact as they required spin to arm their primers. It is also likely that one torpedo began a cordite fire which reached catastrophic proportions as the ship listed over.
With the ship 'buttoned up' such an explosion would obviously tear it apart. If you watch just after the explosion, the aft extremity of 01 deck peels forward.
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings ..like I said man..a that ship's boilers blew
TigerIPanzer 1 year ago
@TigerIPanzer
"What actually happened was the blast from the X and Y magazines blowing up under the water line propelled me forward at an alarming speed – over and over I went until my shoes were pulled off my feel and my socks just vanished. I seemed to be under the water for ages." Douglas Wilfred Ralphs, survivor: HMS BARHAM ASSOCIATION.
Like I said, man...after magazines.
timpovikings 1 year ago
@TigerIPanzer
boilers would not cause such a voilent explosion. This is the work of cordite powder, like the explosions that destroyed Mutsu, Vanguard, Invincible, Arizona etc
HelmutVillam 1 year ago
My grandad was a sailor on that ship he survived the attack it was amazing to listen to the story of how he scrambled along the deck and jumped just before the explosion. Sadly he passed away a week Friday. R.I.P old dood William Taylor Wight.
darthpaul648 1 year ago
You've always got to have the utmost respect for people who go out onto the open sea and give their lives like that. I agree, I think regardless of what side of the conflict you stand on with any sinkings of any of the ships, it was always something that no sailor wanted to see.
Elso958 1 year ago
son of a bitch...
1993heavenshallburn 1 year ago
tragic,
like hms hood
hlimkb 1 year ago
The Royal Navy lost 3 battleships and 2 battlecruisers in World War II. The battleships HMS Royal Oak and HMS Barham to German U-boats, the battlecruiser HMS Hood to the German battleship DKM Bismarck on this day 69 years ago and the battleship HMS Prince of Wales and battlecruiser HMS Repulse to Japanese aircraft. May they rest in peace, the soldiers, the airmen and the sailors on both sides and the civilians lost in World War II. I can only hope that mankind would never again wage a World War
Sokar2488 1 year ago 8
in ww-1 she fought at jutland 1916!
rocketshipstud1 1 year ago
@rocketshipstud1 Don't you think that it is a bit ironic that the most heavily damaged QE class battleship in that engagement, HMS Warspite, would, in World War II, be a serious headache for German forces?
Sokar2488 1 year ago
@Sokar2488 Not really, she got repaired and she was still a battleship wasn't she?
haienbleurgh 1 year ago
Even if I think a country is pure evil, not all of them are. Of course I feel empathy for the crew and survivors of the HMS Barham and that fateful day in 1941. But I thank everyone else - even German, Japanese, Italian sailors, etc. But those who commit attrocities and they KNOW it's bad, go to hell XD
SuperHaloStarwarsFan 1 year ago
11 days earlier, an U-boat also sank the aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal. HMS Barham was the only Queen Elizabeth class battleship sunk in World War II. In a period of 2 weeks, the German U-boats sank 2 British capital ships.
Sokar2488 1 year ago
Oh my God! The ammunition have exploded, poor guys! o_o
jerrymail 1 year ago
You're right.....but the narrator said "at sea"....Royal Oak was sunk in Scapa Flow....nevertheless big guts from Prien to enter, by then , the most heavily protected naval base in GB.
Also..what happened with the U-boat and its crew, that sunk Barham? i red somewhere that it was sunk shortly after Barham by one of the DD escorts.
AfflictionFTW 1 year ago 4
@AfflictionFTW It was sunk by U-331, which was sunk by a british torpedo-bomber in 1942. 17 men survived the sinking including the commander.
broganwd 1 year ago
Tja. Leider hat das Video eine sehr schlechte Qualität. Schlechte Qualität hat auch das böse Ende der Barham beschleunigt. Die Engländer benutzten Kordit als Treibladung der Geschosse. Daher die Explosion beim kentern des Schiffes.
Bei deutschen Schiffen gab es dieses Problem nicht. Die nutzten kein Kordit.
SuperSkeptiker 1 year ago
My grandfather was on board during this tragic loss, he was a Navy Diver,Bert Smith for anyone that knew him, fortunately for me he was one of the lucky survivors, he was burnt and covered in oil but unlike his shipmates was very lucky.
dwma1 1 year ago
My granny's sister (great aunt?) was married to one of the survivors. His name was Ian McDonald, an Australian.
He apparently surfaced in an "air bubble" - this is the sort of cryptic detail we can pry out that generation of our family.
I remember them mentioning the Australian survivors held reunions, and there were literally a handful, four I think by the 90s.
Ian went on to captain ships during the Korean War and thereafter, retiring in Noosa in Queensland. He died a few yeas back.
selfatrophy 1 year ago
@selfatrophy : take care you do not atrophy
3NUNS 1 year ago
RIP hero's
DeDuivel802 1 year ago
My great-uncle was lucky enough to miss the sailing on her last patrol. IIRC he was posted to the Barham but didn't make it before she left port. That probably saved his life.
Electricfox 1 year ago
It is so overwhelmingly sad.
RunningFromthe80s 1 year ago
ive just found out my great grandad robert hornshaw was on this ship and was one of the survivors, very proud!!
09htid 1 year ago 2
It ain't weird that 841 men died.
TheNorwegianSpirit 1 year ago
Holy Shitt! Those poor lads never had a chance.
foamulator 2 years ago 2
My mums brother was killed on the HMS Barham just before his 21st birthday. He was a Engine Room Artificer. She lost another brother the following year also blown up at sea. What a waste of life.
bluelotus62 2 years ago 3
Poor Barham :(
predi888 2 years ago
yes you can, those black shapes on the starboard hull plating are seamen, horrifying clip
tank5r 2 years ago
You can't see it directly but there's men dying in this film.
Cool2BCeltic 2 years ago
I was speaking today to a gentleman who served on HMS Phoebe, HMS Carlisle and SGB 7 during the war. He was captured after the sinking of SGB 7 and was then a POW for two years.
I am interested to hear from anyone who served or knows someone who served on these ships.
SugarTomAppleRoger 2 years ago
My salut to those who died when the ship was sunk. Although being German, I don't feel any enthusiasm and can realize, what war at sea is about, regardless what nation a Ship belongs to.
But one comment in this video can't be true,that this was the only battleship destroyed by an U-boat.
What about the sinking of the Royal Oak, sunk by Guenther Prien by U-boat U-47 ?
gosuc 2 years ago 31
The quote is "sunk at sea". Royal Oak was sunk at anchor. Rather an academic point for those who lost their lives though.
WhaleyTim 2 years ago
@WhaleyTim Was'nt Ark royal sunk by sub off gib
jrobertsoneff 2 years ago
Ark was an aircraft carrier, not battleship, which was the point of the original comment.
WhaleyTim 2 years ago
Clever play on words there,but small consolation for the tragic loss of lives.
jrobertsoneff 2 years ago
Not really a play on words. The original query was about battleships, which are a particular class of warship. As it happens only one life was lost (Able Seaman Mitchell) in the sinking of the Ark.
WhaleyTim 2 years ago
Never believe wartime news
jrobertsoneff 2 years ago 2
@gosuc the moderator said at sea which is accurate. HMS Royal Oak wasn't at sea when she was sunk.
Sokar2488 1 year ago
@Sokar2488
Thanks for the comment. It was lack of knowledge in English. I simply didn't know the terms "at anchor" and "at sea". Now I know.
Thanks again for that information.
gosuc 1 year ago
@gosuc
HMS royal oak was sunk at scapa flow, the royal navy's main base, and the video said HMS Barham was the only ship to be sunk in OPEN SEA by a uboat in ww2
hisroyalstigness 1 year ago
@gosuc I agree!! I always say that any TRUE sailor hates to see a ship sink, no matter if they are friend OR foe! Its known fact that not one man on Bismarck cheered when they sank HMS Hood, in fact several german sailors said the ship went dead quiet. And no British sailors were happy when Bismarck was sunk, they just had a lot of respect and sorrow for the suffering that goini on on board. This is why I love reading about the war at sea, there always seems to be more respect for the enemy.
admiraldma 1 year ago 3
@admiraldma
It is still the most "chivalrous" form of modern warfare - if there is such a thing - because the theatre of war is so removed from civilisation that it is impossible for there to be civilian interference and thus "accidental" casualties.
It is probably the "purest" from of modern warfare, still.
Since WW2 industrial societies have been more concerned about their impact on the environment, this is probably the only other victim.
And sorry for all the douche-y quotation marks ;)
selfatrophy 1 year ago
@admiraldma Yes, there was. Hitler joked that the Navy (or Kriegsmarine) was the "least Nazi of his Arms", and german crews routinely rescued the crews of sunken ships if possible. BUT there was an order put out after a german U-boat was attacked because it couln´t sink with the rescued crew in tow. The order forbid them from attempting to rescue crews.
Just imagine how hard that is for a sailor....
In fact, most of the conflict in "Das Boot" is the crew vs. that one nazi hardliner XD
Chrinik 2 months ago
@Chrinik Yes I know about that incident, the U boat had a small group of lifeboats full of survivors from a ship she had sunk previously sunk. The U boat captain made sure the survivors were fed and watered and was planning to drop them off with a enemy ship. He even put out radio transmissions asking for allied ships to pick them up if they promised to not to attack him. Unfortunately he was attacked by US patrol aircraft and some survivors were killed, this is what led to the order. Tragic
admiraldma 2 months ago
@gosuc Also, regarding the Royal oak comment, I thought the same, but I wonder if he means when a ship is at sea because he says the only time a german u boat has beat a royal naval destroyer screen. He does not make it very clear though.
admiraldma 1 year ago
@gosuc he said the first british battleship sunk by a submarine in open sea, royal oak was sunk in harbour.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09
It was on roadstead not in harbour, as far as I know ...
Nightfighter74 1 year ago
@Nightfighter74 royal oak was sunk in scapa flow while moored there.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@Nightfighter74 either way roadstead or not it wasn't at open sea, i will have to check the exact location off scapa.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@gosuc It is actually true what it says on the clip. The U boat that sunk the Royal Oak did not have to penetrate a destroyer screen as it did with the Barham. It entered Scapa Flow, and sank her while at anchor.. It says that Barham was the only British Battleship to be sunk while being protected by a destroyer screen, not that it was the only British Battleship sunk by a German submarine.
malteserabroad 1 year ago
@gosuc The video said the only british battleship to be suck at sea. When the royal oak was suck she was bassiacally a mobile AAA platform as she was still badly damaged and fearing the threat of a german air raid it was decided to disperse the fleet but leave the royal oak for anti-air defence.
wackydude101 1 year ago
@gosuc H.M.S. Barham was the only British battleship to be sunk while on duty at sea, H.M.S. Royal Oak was at anchor in her home base at Scapa Flow.
Spider4642 1 year ago 6
@Spider4642
What about Repulse and Prince of Wales ?
In fact Repulse was an Linecruiser like HMS Hood, but second one ?
MrBankroot 1 year ago
@MrBankroot It's British Pathe News; after watching many a BP newsreel, they are biased as f**k! In less vulgar terms, British Pathe (in my opinion) is very propagandist. Chances are they didn't want to add to the shock of this footage by ommitting what you quite rightly point out, that and the fact that the (then) racial embarrasment of the Repulse and PoW being sunk by the Japanese. Something that the propagandist British Pathe News would hate to admit/remind people of.
angrygingersteve 1 year ago
Of course. But they did have a propaganda war to win too on the home front. No use telling the folks back home how we just lost another 859 men today, everyone would get depressed! The Ministry of Information; in other words the Ministry of Propaganda controlled everything that was officially seen and read. One of the necessities of war if you want to win. I don't think there was any racial embarrassment at all. Were the Americans embarrassed by Peal Harbor? No, just very angry.
RattytheSecond 1 year ago
@MrBankroot Repulse and PoW were not sunk by submarines.
pokerface432 1 year ago
@Spider4642 Forget about Hood, Repulse, and Prince of Wales?
randomrail 7 months ago
@randomrail They weren't sunk by U-boats. Hood was sunk by Bismarck. Repulse and Prince of wales by Japanese torpedo planes/ bombers, based in new guinea.
evildeathmonkey1 7 months ago
@Spider4642 Prince of Whales and Repulse Budddddddyyyyyyyyyyy
coolconfuzer 5 months ago
@coolconfuzer And HMS Hood, even if her and Repulse were in fact Battlecruisers. Hood is considered by soom to have been the first fast battleship, considering her protection was in line with the Queen Elizabeth class of fast battleships.
mabpt 3 months ago
@mabpt Hood was just overrated. it needed to be refitted right before WW2 broke out but it was never done so they put it out sea even though it had its armor issue. British arrogance strikes again LoL
coolconfuzer 3 months ago
@coolconfuzer How many other ships of this age and without refit (the one she would of recieved would of made things very different, just by removing the torpedoe tubes alone) had been in action like this. It should be noticed, if it were not for a diffrence of a few seconds, things would of been very different. Hood was a fast battleship in all but name, Repulse with Renown were not much different. Better be in these ships than US cookie cutters or pre cookie cutters in situations like this.
CLVASHJBHWFS 1 month ago
@CLVASHJBHWFS repulse and renown are my favs.
coolconfuzer 1 month ago
It sucks....they don't make warships like this anymore. The Russians have those missile cruisers and the U.S have aircraft carries and subs are still pretty cool but no gunships.
coolconfuzer 1 month ago
@CLVASHJBHWFS You know whats an underrated battleship? HMS VANGUARD. The one built right after WW2 and the U.S.S GUAM and ALASKA.
coolconfuzer 1 month ago
@coolconfuzer Vanguard is possible the best all round battleship. N3 G3 and I3 were in another league, along with the improved and new Ships years on from the Lions. Also E or F design of or the original lions was up there with the latter Montana's (a really good design). Britain went through some silly we wil only build 40,000ton standard ships for a year or two though.
CLVASHJBHWFS 1 month ago
@coolconfuzer Alaska was a good cruiser kiler no doubt. it's a shame the US could not built these earlier, as they would of been ideal.
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mabpt 3 months ago
@Spider4642 You forgot HMS Prince of Wales, she was on duty at sea too, when Japanese airplanes sunk her.
Sokar2488 2 months ago in playlist Dude
@Sokar2488 Buddy, H.M.S Barham was the only British battleship sunk at sea by a U-boat, H.M.S. Prince of Wales was sunk by bomber aircraft.
Spider4642 1 month ago
@Spider4642 Royal oak also.
coolconfuzer 1 month ago
@gosuc
"Barham was the only British battleship sunk at sea by a German U-boat..."
"at sea" means that Barham was sailing under power in the open sea.
Royal Oak was at anchor in port at Scapa Flow when she was sunk.
I hope this clears up your confusion.
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Dippers85 1 year ago
@gosuc
the comment included "SUNK AT SEA"
notsureyou 11 months ago
U-47 sank Royal oak in harbor.
deepcosmiclove 11 months ago
@gosuc He said " the only British battleship SUNK AT SEA by a German U-boat"
Royal Oak was at anchor in Scapa Flow
so yes it is correct
thebritish25 10 months ago
@thebritish25
Hello mate,
thanks for the comment. Due to my bad English, I didn't know the terms "at anchor" and "at sea". Now I know.
Thanks for the explanation from all of you.
May the Barham and its heroes rest in peace, as our boys in the Bismarck
gosuc 10 months ago
@gosuc Ah sorry for late reply
Thats all right it takes time to learn these things I dont know German.
I just though I should tell you before some kid barked it at you
regards
thebritish25 9 months ago
@gosuc Well, as is often the case with official sounding "news", things are carefully worded to give a certain impression while concealing other uncomfortable truths. In this case, the Royal Oak was sunk by a submarine, but it was in port at the time. Thus, they are correct, Barham was the only British battleship sunk at sea by a U-boat. However, when they also say it was the only time that the British destroyer screen was beaten, that is completely incorrect as a general statement.
somewhere6 10 months ago
@gosuc
Notice it said "Only battleship sunk at sea" HMS Royal Oak was sunk in Scapa Flow harbor while at Anchor.
xKahthx 9 months ago
@gosuc plus 2 dreadnoughts in dradenelees campaign.
dividednation44 8 months ago
Difficult sonar(asdic)in the Med hot cold duct conditions,4" AA amo stored in the former aft torpedo flat dropping out of the wrack's and blowing out the bulkhead to the 15" mag the most probable cause.
elswick1542 2 years ago
What caused her magazine to explode?
psalm49 2 years ago
Good question,other bb's took tt hits and didn't have their magazines blow,Bad luck,sloppy ammunition storage?
bv141a 2 years ago
flipping upsidedown with all the ammo falling on itself?
bv141a 2 years ago
@psalm49 I read that the ammunition was improperly stored. She appearently did not carry enough 4" ammunition previously, so they put ammunition wherever it would fit, regardless of saftey.
naughtyfeline 2 years ago
@naughtyfeline Built to fight the Kaiser's navy before the days of air power , the AA refits to these ships in the late 1930s meant cramming the extra ammunition in wherever it could be stored .
zarquon53 7 months ago
Speculation, but most likely unsecured shells in the magazine room falling off racks etc as the ship rolled over; one or more of them explodes and then sets off the other ammunition in a massive blast.
KrK007 2 years ago
Most epic ending ever...
TheZuikaku 2 years ago
This ship has an interesting history. Although she was sunk off the coast of Egypt, she served in other operational areas throughout her lifetime. Do a Google search for Barham, Shipwrecks of Egypt to see the ship's history.
ShipwrecksofEgypt 2 years ago
My grandfather served on this ship in WW1. He joined the RN aged 16 in 1917 - they weren't too fussy in those days about age. I still have a photo of him on deck with about 7 of his pals.
vickozoomba 2 years ago 12
glad he made it through; i know the UK lost so many people at sea during 1st world war. (and the 2nd too; my mother was a teenager in Southampton when Hood, Glorious, etc were lost. They would hear the news on the radio) i think, (although not sure) Barham was brand-new or close to it in WW1. Rest in Peace all who lost their lives that day in the Mediterranean.
matapan50 2 years ago
god bless you great uncle Walter and all who perished .You will never be forgotten.
richmanabo 2 years ago 2
hear hear, we salute them all, god save the queen
pauldocgreen 2 years ago 2
I really admire all this countryes, involved in the most decisive and definitive war ever seen. Italy, UK, France, Germany, Russia, U.S. and Japan...those are real countryes with history to fight for. In Argentina all we got it´s a bunch of corrupt politicians and a lot of stupids thinking when we gonna be a great country. To be a great country, you got to suffer and fight. Here we are, sitting down, waiting for something to happened...you gotta make it hapenned!!! Hails to you all
rediscoverySX 2 years ago 2
Speaking about that, why did Argentina decline to fight against Fascism in the same way that their neighbour Brazil did. Just asking.
matapan50 2 years ago
I really don´t know. Most of the people here was on the fascism side on that time, believe it or not. Untill this days there´s a lot of people that recognizes themselves as nazi sympathizers in Argentina. Maybe that´s the reason. By the way, this country has a huge jewish population as well, so I don´t know.
rediscoverySX 2 years ago
because there is a lot of white people here,not as in brazil. and when you are discriminated for being white it stars pretty bad country. and considering hitler and staling saw the fall of the capitalims and that the democracy is just an other way of dictatorial goverment,we where neutral, but on the german side. and we are.
DERZWERGE11 2 years ago
ok, fair enough, I asked. just out of curiosity, was there a feeling in Argentina government or people at that time that they should fight on the GERMAN side?
matapan50 2 years ago
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because there is a lot of white people here,not as in brazil. and when you are discriminated for being white it stars pretty bad country. and considering hitler and staling saw the fall of the capitalims and that the democracy is just an other way of dictatorial goverment,we where neutral, but on the german side. and we are.
DERZWERGE11 2 years ago
Barham. Hood. Glorious. Couragous. Prince of Wales. Repulse. Ark Royal. Gloucester. Royal Oak. On & on. 1000's lost. Lives never lived, children never born. How UK & RN managed to keep going in the face of all this is un-believable. But then, what choice did they have. They were fighting the worst enemy they had ever faced. They had to win or it was all over. Best wishes to all in the UK.
matapan50 2 years ago
it is curious that you name yourself Matapan. in that battle we lost 2303 lives.for us it was all over.
RN lost nobody that day.but we faced it.
to the memory of Pola,Zara,Fiume,Carducci and Alfieri crews
annanoli 2 years ago
I know what happened @ Cape Matapan. I agree, to the memory of those men. As i understand it, Italy was at big dis-advantage because no aircraft carriers. (Mussolini responsible?) I know how the Germans turned on Italy; sank Roma, murdered 1000's, turned the country into battlefield. In my opinion Nazi Germany worst enemy UK ever fought, worst ally Italy ever had. Best wishes also to everyone in Italy. Hope UK/Italy never fight again.
matapan50 2 years ago
Great and sensitive comment. I fully agree.
Best wishes
Paolo
annanoli 2 years ago
And to you, Sir
Timothy
matapan50 2 years ago
"I know how the Germans turned on Italy..."
Italy betrayed germany - in both world wars! (Don´t get me wrong: I´m glad how it is now!)
"worst ally Italy ever had"
I guess it´s the other way around: Italy is the worst ally germany ever had
FschJgBtl272 2 years ago 2
"I know how Germany turned on Italy".
It did. Nothing I said was untrue.
"Worst ally"
It was.
matapan50 2 years ago
Yes, thats right, but the reason behind it is most relevant!
"Worst ally"
Italy was (and most probably is) the worst ally of germany!
FschJgBtl272 2 years ago 2
You can't blame people for not being crazy
rosun82 2 years ago
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KINGTIGERKILLA 2 years ago
extremely respectful. really speaks poorly of your character.
sfp4dvm 2 years ago
Well,note that blow takes place when the funnel get submerged. This give space to a boiler explosion.Barham had 24 yarrow water tube boilers fitted. The blast starts amidships.i think the scene fits...Combustion is still strong,see the black smoke.
annanoli 2 years ago
'Now it can be told' sinking kept secret for 2 months Three days later Prince of Wales and Repulse were lost, Braham loss kept top secret till Jan 27 1942. Christmas and New Years cards were printed and mailed, even for dead sailors.
HRMOKeefe 2 years ago
Why was the loss of this ship kept secret?
matapan50 2 years ago
read above, Prince oef Wales and Repulse lost days before, Germans indicated they did not know about sinking, UK at end of rope, see above and video
Only modern woman tried for witchcraft associated wth Barham sinking knowledge
HRMOKeefe 2 years ago
oooooooo shit!!!!!!
mario9942 2 years ago
Sorry to say I know, but at least they didn't have to drawned.
tbalsillie 2 years ago
Just think, when the magazine explodes 800+ men are dying.
lloydkelly 2 years ago
So....what is a "Barham" (What/who is the ship named for)?
frankydman 2 years ago
Lord Barham was First Lord of the Admiralty at the time of Trafalgar.
It was his competent and rapid redeployment of the available ships just before the battle that gave Nelson the concentration of ships he needed. Even though he was about 80 years old at the time
freebeerfordworkers 2 years ago
well there was no getting out of that 1, were all hands lost ?
michaelwright999 2 years ago
Explosion was probably a mercy for many. With the ship already rolling over at that angle not a lot of chance to get out if you were still inside by the time its magazine blew. Better to be instantly blown apart than drown in my opinion.
RIP.
Mcplkelly 2 years ago 28
lol "the only time a German uboat beat the destroyer screen" What about the Royal Oak that was MOORED IN SCAPA FLOW!!! (Even if it wasn't being used for front line duty)
partyboy41 2 years ago
/////// HMS Courageous and Ark Royal were both sunk by U-Boat's....I guess they didn't have a destroyer screen.
killingamps 2 years ago
Censors would never allow the truth to be told. Günther Prien penetrated Scapa Flow and sank the Roal Oak.
woodbinedrinker 2 years ago
No destroyer screen in Scapa at that time. The Oak wasa moored alone!
veritascrusader 2 years ago
"Sunk at sea" is the key phrase here. Moored at Scapa Flow isn't "at sea."
NVanWendy 2 years ago
About as bad as war at sea can get.
matapan50 2 years ago 4
Thaks for allowing me to see a ship that my dad was rescued by.
It caused them a bit of a party with the crew as his name was Jack Barham:-)))
Aastarisk 2 years ago
IIR the board of inquiry concluded that nose fused 4" AA shells stored in the former aft torpedo flat fell out of the racks detonated and exploded the 15" mag,same type of shell was found to be extremely dangerous in post war test and is also implicated in some of the Hood theories.
elswick1542 2 years ago
I was thinking Barham's explosion gives us an idea of what happened to hood when salvo number 7 from the Bismarck blew her appart.
The USS Arizona too suffered a main magazine explosion.
Dwnshifter 2 years ago
Yes that has to be right,same 4" AA and 15" main guns,only diff Hood was on an even keel and Barham also had 6" secondary guns.
Interesting that the French battleship Bretagn exploded after 4 15" hits from Hood,also the Roma exploded after a guided bomb hit,IJN Mutsu just exploded,Yamato,s explosion seem,s very similar to Barham pos caused by capsize,even the scharnhorst wreck looks to have suffered a main mag exp.
elswick1542 2 years ago
Do you know where I can some good photos of Yamato's wreck. I have seeen some small and black/white but never anything worth a shit???
There's also a theory that Hood's forward magazine may have gone off as the bow is seperate from the mid section. They think the fire from aft traveled through fuel bunkers and blew the forward mags on hood.
War histroy FTW!!!!!
Dwnshifter 2 years ago
the film battleship Yamato has some good shots of the wreck at the start,it was never released in europe got a copy 2 years ago from ebay Hong Kong also a recent expedition I seen on discovery dont remember the name,Hood,s wreck was filmed in 2001 by David Mearns his conclusion that the forward mag,s exploded was not backed by the 2 experts on board,they though it imploded at the bow and broke up along the discontinuity lines a bit like Titanic's stern.
elswick1542 2 years ago
I have a question about barham: After the Royal Oak disaster at scapa flow, Where were Barham's Destroyer escorts when that sub unleashed that savlo of fish??? Considering Barham was a capital shitp If I was her commander I would have a half way decent destroyer screen.
Dwnshifter 2 years ago
In the Med the Navy was used to dealing with the Regina marina submarines that were none to effective,when the uboats arrive the destroyers were rusty compared to the Atlantic fleet.
elswick1542 2 years ago