or lack of! i challange you to disect the word magic and its origin to the best of your research?infact to start it should be spelt MAGIK MAJIK MAGIC LOL?
I wonder would our consciousness be missed if suddenly gone from the earth. We are like mirrors for the natural world, creating music and art and technology closely or loosely based on the world around us, and we have realised the mathematical structure of things. Who would be the observer if we were not here? Who would appreciate the nature of things? Would the world exist if there were nothing conscious to appreciate that it does (fossil records aside haha)?
Feral humans deprived of learning language normally apparently, in brain scans, show a radically abnormal neural development. Are they less 'human' (or, as I prefer, less of a 'person'), less conscious? Maybe, if you think of consciousness as primarily an epiphenomenon of language acquisition.
Well, I read that chimpanzees (or gotillas, I don't remember) which have been taught sign language are able to lie, this would be managing awareness of multiple perspectives wouldn't it? Is it that these animals are only able to do this becasue of their non-natural 'human' cultural inheritance, or are there analogous wild behaviours? Maybe it is better to think in terms of 'personhood' rather than 'humanity' to include non-human persons, does becoming a person require a culture? Likely so.
I am reminded of the scene in Dune were Paul puts his hand in the pain inducing box and resist the "animal" temptation to pull his hand out from the overwhelming pain.
I love the title & the idea behind this vid - i.e. of everything we think of as making us essentially human as being a hard fought for & ultimately lose-able state. Under the right conditions, many of us, perhaps even a majority, could become monsters by our own currently held definitions. We like to think of things like Nazi Germany as being instances of mass irrationality - harder to accept that it might've been a natural, though no less wrong, response to a specific set of circumstances.
Maybe I misinterpreted what you mean by multiple perspectives, but it made me think of the Attacus Atlas moth, the wings of which scare of birds because they look like snakes. Surely that's a magic trick?
That's a fluke of evolution which is for the creature's survival; 'magic' is for entertainment, the curiousity of facing the novel and unknown. It is an example of how humans can see deeper meaning in things than most animals: a fox wouldn't give two shits about how one could produce a rabbit from a hat, though it would probably want the thing for supper.
I really like your videos a lot. What I like most is that you get me to thinking about things in ways I didn't stop to consider before. Magic is an interesting topic. So many things in our modern world would be seen as magic in earlier worlds. I think that magic is purely a psychological thing and not a thing out there in the physical world. It is more a matter of how we are reacting to a thing than a thing we witness.
Humanity is an achievement of the self-organizing matter of the universe - not teleologically though. There was nobody who made an achievement in creating humanity.
We should be happy with that, and try to achieve a lot ourselves.
Yes, but suppose there could be a certain teleology in our meta structures, i.e our social, moral, philosophical constructs, which in the end make us human. We decide the purpose.
Teleology means to have purpose, to act purposefully with a certain end in mind. In this sense, I agree with you. We have the purpose, sometimes what comes out is not what we intended.
Yes, of Aristotle's four causes, final cause (formal cause too) has been ousted from the modern scientific world view but many artists will testify to a "calling" within their works which is a seeking for completion, the end which takes from through that being who can be moved by final causes; Humans are, in least in part, teleological creatures.
and I agree about no super "outside" purpose. The purpose of humanity is to invent humanizing purposes.
If acorn growing to a tree is achievement, yes.
Too much mystification.
MarkoKraguljac 1 month ago in playlist Cultural Evolution
or lack of! i challange you to disect the word magic and its origin to the best of your research?infact to start it should be spelt MAGIK MAJIK MAGIC LOL?
thesunshon 9 months ago
one word...psilocybin
RandomEdge 9 months ago
I wonder would our consciousness be missed if suddenly gone from the earth. We are like mirrors for the natural world, creating music and art and technology closely or loosely based on the world around us, and we have realised the mathematical structure of things. Who would be the observer if we were not here? Who would appreciate the nature of things? Would the world exist if there were nothing conscious to appreciate that it does (fossil records aside haha)?
Damienf77 1 year ago
Humanity may be an achievement, but are we satisfied with our achievements toward the whole of humanity, we still have a long way to go, I think.
Are we human yet? Define Human.
alchemistra 2 years ago
I think we become more human by asking that question.
Professoranton 2 years ago
I like that answer : ) thank you!
alchemistra 2 years ago
2.
Feral humans deprived of learning language normally apparently, in brain scans, show a radically abnormal neural development. Are they less 'human' (or, as I prefer, less of a 'person'), less conscious? Maybe, if you think of consciousness as primarily an epiphenomenon of language acquisition.
AnomalousDataPoint 2 years ago
1.
Well, I read that chimpanzees (or gotillas, I don't remember) which have been taught sign language are able to lie, this would be managing awareness of multiple perspectives wouldn't it? Is it that these animals are only able to do this becasue of their non-natural 'human' cultural inheritance, or are there analogous wild behaviours? Maybe it is better to think in terms of 'personhood' rather than 'humanity' to include non-human persons, does becoming a person require a culture? Likely so.
AnomalousDataPoint 2 years ago
I am reminded of the scene in Dune were Paul puts his hand in the pain inducing box and resist the "animal" temptation to pull his hand out from the overwhelming pain.
"fear is the mind killer"
"congratulations, your now a human"
ElectronicPhone 2 years ago
yeaahhhh
dogs can't pat each other on the back eh
gratex 2 years ago
American's today being thoughtless, emotional, and over-reactive? Nonsense. YOU LIE!
Newsish 2 years ago
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LOL, I got it :)
willieg327 2 years ago
I love the title & the idea behind this vid - i.e. of everything we think of as making us essentially human as being a hard fought for & ultimately lose-able state. Under the right conditions, many of us, perhaps even a majority, could become monsters by our own currently held definitions. We like to think of things like Nazi Germany as being instances of mass irrationality - harder to accept that it might've been a natural, though no less wrong, response to a specific set of circumstances.
FeelFreeToArgue 2 years ago
Maybe I misinterpreted what you mean by multiple perspectives, but it made me think of the Attacus Atlas moth, the wings of which scare of birds because they look like snakes. Surely that's a magic trick?
gerontodon 2 years ago
That's a fluke of evolution which is for the creature's survival; 'magic' is for entertainment, the curiousity of facing the novel and unknown. It is an example of how humans can see deeper meaning in things than most animals: a fox wouldn't give two shits about how one could produce a rabbit from a hat, though it would probably want the thing for supper.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
one can argue that everything positive about humans is a fluke of evolution also.
gratex 2 years ago
You can.
anglaismoyen 2 years ago
I really like your videos a lot. What I like most is that you get me to thinking about things in ways I didn't stop to consider before. Magic is an interesting topic. So many things in our modern world would be seen as magic in earlier worlds. I think that magic is purely a psychological thing and not a thing out there in the physical world. It is more a matter of how we are reacting to a thing than a thing we witness.
phlewis86 2 years ago
Humanity is an achievement of the self-organizing matter of the universe - not teleologically though. There was nobody who made an achievement in creating humanity.
We should be happy with that, and try to achieve a lot ourselves.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
We are that part of nature where teleology manifests itself.
Professoranton 2 years ago
Yes, but suppose there could be a certain teleology in our meta structures, i.e our social, moral, philosophical constructs, which in the end make us human. We decide the purpose.
dismutased 2 years ago
Teleology means to have purpose, to act purposefully with a certain end in mind. In this sense, I agree with you. We have the purpose, sometimes what comes out is not what we intended.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
Yes, of Aristotle's four causes, final cause (formal cause too) has been ousted from the modern scientific world view but many artists will testify to a "calling" within their works which is a seeking for completion, the end which takes from through that being who can be moved by final causes; Humans are, in least in part, teleological creatures.
and I agree about no super "outside" purpose. The purpose of humanity is to invent humanizing purposes.
Professoranton 2 years ago