do i apply thermal paste on gpu and cpu both? or one of them only? i just bought new graphics card for my laptop and i have ic7 tryin to figure out how to do it
It doesn't matter how much you use as long as the coverage is complete, the viscosity of the paste versus the spring tension of the system that presses the heat sink to the chip top, will determine the final thickness. My statement about using a razor to spread thin layers on both clean surfaces first!, as a whetting agent, is simply BRILLIANT! Overflowing arctic... is fine, it will cause no problem, it just doesn't 'look' great. The slight capacitance, is NOT an issue.
my pc usually shows NO SYNC after booting,sumtyms it works, I have an amd athlon dual core with geforce 9500gt ddr3, is it the graphic card failing,after the windows logo appeared, NO SYNC shows up on the screen. pls help
Also, it doesn't matter how much Arctic Silver you put into the volume between the chip and the sink, UNLESS appearance counts. There is no detrimental effect to having a 5 lb. glob of Arctic Silver bulging out or smeared all over the place, in fact use a 30 lb blob... as long as it doesn't block the air used to cool the heat sink, it simply doesn't matter. If you disagree, how about not attacking me, but instead... carefully describing WHY you disagree.
@doceigen The reason for the attacks is you have so called Professionals thinking that they are the experts of building a PC. I am a professional and run a professional business. I have NEVER had a PC come back due to overheating. Obviously my method works. I have the numbers and time to back it up.
@jakthebomb I have no problem with your technique. All I was doing was giving clarity to the technicalities for why certain decisions are made and why certain attributes that most know nothing about... matter. But then, bammm! drive by shooting starts and then back and forth begins, and the trolls continue to attack. If you can erase all of the troll stuff, and my responses to them, we can return to a civilized technical thread. Thanks.
@doceigen "While much safer than electrically conductive silver and copper greases, Arctic Silver 5 should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths."
@doceigen No "professional" is going to even jokingly suggest that it doesn't matter the amount you use OR to spread paste with a razor. Therefore, sir, you are NOT a professional and you should retract your false statements.
@sparky3489 It doesn't matter how much you use as long as the coverage is complete, the viscosity of the paste versus the spring tension of the system that presses the heat sink to the chip top, will determine the final thickness. My statements about using a razor to spread thin layers on both clean surfaces first!, as a whetting agent, is simply BRILLIANT! Overflowing arctic... is fine, it will cause no problem, it just doesn't 'look' great. The slight capacitance, is NOT an issue.
@sparky3489 You really need to pull in your claws there young missy, you are an ignorant bobo who has no clue as to the physics involved, or as to who or what I am. So either provide a 'technical rebuttal', or back off.
@doceigen 25+ year Level II Electronics Technician - J-STD-001 certified IPC specialist - head of the RMA dept. of a company that manufactures circuit boards for the Military DOD, Boeing, Raytheon, Midwest Microwave and many other prestigious companies.
It is clearly obvious you have no electronics background to say squat.
@sparky3489 That is funny, At my company we used to send our equipment to an RMA department due to over heating laptops. They would come back still overheating. After I took over that we NEVER had another Overheating laptop again. Oldest Repair 3+ years, still works.
@sparky3489 Well golly gee 'Sparky', you took a full 5 day course in soldering? I've worked on contracts for three of those groups you mentioned, plus many more, as a Principle Investigator - Engineer/Scientist, Ph.D. level, doing the actual development of the stuff you finally got to see little pieces of, as they trickled down. Hey!, I've hung out with Level II techs here and there, when they just didn't get something. So you're telling me, you've LOTS to learn still... so quit resisting.
@doceigen Soldering to a standard is more than your skills.
I design, develop and create my own circuit boards from scratch purely as a hobby so don't try to raise it to some mystical thing to perform.
If the most you've ever worked on was a laptop processor, YOU have much to learn. I deal with CPU's that range around the $9,000 neighborhood and are a bit more critical than a laptop CPU. My statement still stands, if you're going to call yourself a professional, retract your false statements.
@sparky3489 You seem to be a retard, so I will again 'try' to be clear with you. All you seem CAPABLE of doing is professing to a 'professional status'. What you are utterly INCAPABLE of doing so far, is discussing your technical issues. Soldering to a standard, as trivial as that actually is,... has nothing to do with understanding the physics involved here. I'm not buying into your holier than thou BS, you either switch to 'technical discussion mode', or go screw yourself.
@doceigen I'm so sorry to find you have total memory loss. Such a shame for a person of your age. " ...it doesn't matter how much Arctic Silver you put into the volume between the chip and the sink ... is no detrimental effect to having a 5 lb. glob of Arctic Silver bulging out ...., in fact use a 30 lb blob."
I'd LOVE to see this "30 lb. blob" not effect performance in any way.
Your problem is your methods can't be challenged as your defense is belittling others. That is truly sad.
Creating a thin polished layer on each of the surfaces acts as a whetting agent, so that as diffusion takes place, no part of either metal surface is protected from coverage by surface tension. Another step left out of most people's paradigm, is the necessary out-gassing of bubbles trapped in the paste, the best way to eliminate those is with a small vacuum pump from an old refrigerator, but who but me would go through the trouble? I make things, 'space qualified'. hehe
The BEST way is: Clean both surfaces to dust and residue free. Then put a small amount of paste on each surface and spread them with a razor blade to a smooth thin layer. Then place a small amount onto the center of one of the surfaces and smooth it just slightly with your razor so as to eliminate craters. Now keep the surfaces parallel, bring them together SLOWLY so that the small dab in the center, travels in a radial pattern between the thin layers on each surface, then tighten fittings.
@doceigen lol im not trolling you just are a douche and steal peoples comments and post them as your own, also that last comment you sent me sounded so fucken dumb just thought you should know
@doceigen I can easily see you didn't write that comment. Here's how: "Your" first comment had near perfect grammar, but after that your comments stopped using big letters in the beginning of the sentence.
@doceigen I have never said anything about plagiarism. You're the 40+ year old man who's arguing with people online, so I ask you; Who's the loser here? Think of you and your life before you say anything to other people.
The amount doesn't matter, except if scoring neatness. The worst thing to do is create air-bubbles and then press that air-bubble filled paste in-between two plates. The air-bubbles will stay there and the micro-volumes with resonate with heat, until the pressure causes the hardening paste next to the bubbles to crack, then the paste is useless. Also, those bubbles in traveling laptops are affected by altitude pressure changes and will crack the the old paste up. Smooth, and slow... !
I would say that's a bit too much although i hope you did test this on several machines & never had any problems with that. I re-applied paste to my Compaq & i only used 1/4 of that amount. I got the temp down to 20-23*C. Before that it got up to around 40*C. Didn't help that the fan/heat sink was completely covered in dust. But the center of the CPU is the only area where the thermal paste is really needed.
I still have the same tube of arctic Silver 5 compound I bought in 2000 for my first machine build, and I've built/repaired about 12 with the same tube, if that gives you any idea.
No that is to much paste. Im 100% sure if you reseat your heatsink you will notice tons of overspill. The purpose of TIM is to have as LITTLE as possible to cover the core area extremely thin. The core is smack dab in the middle of the chip and that is all you need to cover not the entire IHS. If you feel the need to argue im not gonna respond. Go to overclock(dot)net or xtremesystems(dot)org and argue with the pros and we will tell you this is to much TIM.
hell i use industrial grade thermally conductive silicon adhesive and so far its worked for me. ps its so strong t can hold a pentium 4 heatsink and fan to a video card.
What your dealing with in reality is-How flat do you perceive the mating surfaces to be?
What in affect you are creating with grease between the two surfaces is hopefully a thinner gasket as possible, capable of transferring heat away from the CPU. If you have to apply lots of paste, it would have been better to have invested in a better quality flatter heatsink.
Get yourself some engineers blue to test the mating surfaces used as sparingly as possible wiping clean afterwards.
the best thing to do is to expiriment with different methods. I make a small X on my chips, as thin as possible. After testing how it spreads with a block of plexi I determined that got the most coverage and best spready. You have to keep the X pretty damn thin in order to not use too much. Too much is almost as bad as not enough.
That is way too much thermal compound. Your idle temps may be alright but your load temps would be lower if you applied it properly. I've used Arctic Silver's instruction on their website on how to apply thermal compound. If your CPU is an Intel i7 with a rectangular die underneath the CPU heat spreader then you are supposed to use the line method. Your only filling microscopic gaps between the 2 surfaces. Any more causes the heat transfer to be less then optimal.
I know you're just trying to help people out so I don't want to come across as mean because at least you want to make these videos to help people out. It would help if you explained the different methods and what situations they are supposed to be used. I didn't believe such little compound would work either but it does and it looks very close to the pictures on their web site. I even used a piece of thick glass as not to break and put thermal compound on that to see how far it would spread.
@320bit It not only helps, it maintains a longer processor life. Granted, most people don't keep their tech for that long anyways. But it's definitely nessicary for overclockers like myself.
Further things to think about in life... when heat is first applied to a paste the paste will soften, this is important because one way in which paste inhibits conduction of heat is by being a sponge structure, and this happens when small bubbles are cooked into the paste as the system continues to heat. So when heat is first applied and the paste gets soft, if you turn off the computer, the air bubbles will have time to 'outgas' and shrink, before you restart and continue to cook the paste.
@doceigen So where is this scientific proof? Im sure millions of dollars were spent in researching the "correct" way to apply thermal compound. So lets see those results. Oh wait. There isnt any. Your argument is still invalid. But keep trying, Im sure eventually youll come up with something.
@320bit if there isn't, then you don't have to go around spreading comments such as: "it's very bad to not spread the paste." The only reason I started this debate is because you're putting in way that makes it seem like it's terrible when you don't... and for those following this, get enough paste and try a few methods, find what works best for you. $12 for a small tube of AS5 seems expensive, but it's much cheaper than your CPU.
@Dapowerofear I only said that in response to the comment that said "its very bad TO spread it". It really doesnt matter either way, but to advise people that its bad to is just ridiculous. And I dont get why you act like its the end of the world if you dont use any at all. Cuz its not. It just helps.
@doceigen Iv done plenty of research on the subject, probably more than you. And there is no definite answer or method that is PROVEN to be better than the other. For the simple fact, not all surfaces will be the same. So each one will respond differently. Just as there is no exact amount to use, since different processors have different die sizes and different surface area to cover.
@doceigen The bottom line is, whether you spread the compound or not, you wont see any difference in operating temperatures. If so, it will be VERY minimal at best. And that, is a fact.
@doceigen And by the way, if you actually do research you will find that most companies will tell you to APPLY a thin layer. They do not say whether to spread it or not. But by not spreading it, you have not applied a layer at all just a blob. And will you also find that most of the overclocking enthusiast prefer to spread it rather than not for the simple fact you assured full coverage of both surfaces aka the compound will be able to do its job more effectively.
@320bit I've seen people use painters tape around the edges and then use that as a guide to spread a nice even layer using the edges of the tape. You still run the risk of getting air bubbles in it though. The only time Arctic Silver recommends spreading it out is if it's an exposed die. Most people don't like to read directions though and just assume they know better then the people who make the stuff.
@doceigen I thought this might interest you. Straight from Artic Silver themselves. Notice how almost every method is listed depending on the processor which is best:
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And since they make the leading thermal compound, Im sure they know what they are talking about. Enjoy.
@320bit Oh, it seems I typo'd. I meant to say that the heatsink's diode only reads about 4 degrees lower than the chip's diode, and my problem is more along the lines of the heatsink not having a good enough surface area to spread the heat my CPU makes.
@320bit Well, of course! but the dot method has always seemed to yield a much better result for me, every single time. It also seems to have a higher heat transfer, I just don't think my small heatsink is really much better than stock, just quieter...
@Dapowerofear Well in my experience there is not a big enough difference to matter. I just prefer to have the whole surface area of my processors IHS covered so I have more contact as opposed to only having the middle part covered and not caring about the rest of the IHS which also transfers heat.
@320bit Oh, another thing. Using a temp diode on one of the heatpies coming from the copper baseplate only reads about 4 degrees centigrade than the onboard diode. You think that spread method gets better thermal contact?
@320bit That's really funny, using the spread method last time gave me temps in the 70s. Much flatter that this guy did it, and thinner too. Why do you think that is? Because instead of removing the air in the microfractures, you're filling it with them. Dot method doesn't create air bubbles, and my heatsink contact plate has it's entire area filled with the paste, and the contact plate only covers 90% of the die itself. What say you, then?
@320bit In fact, the only time you SHOULD spread the paste is when you are using direct thermal pipe contact. Spreading using a baseplate gives a lot less conductivity and traps air, which is a terrible conductor.
@Dapowerofear Obviously the way I do it is more effective than the way you and this other guy claim is the correct way, since my older, bigger, higher voltage, more power hungry processor runs almost 10c cooler with a stock HSF and only 2 120mm case fans.
@320bit You need to seriously stop spreading this nonsence. The integer cores are usually placed in the very middle and the memory controllers right around them. Do not forget that the entire silicon chip is only 90, 45, or 32nm wide and the memory controllers are not far from them. The entire chip does NOT need to be covered to get effective cooling.
@Dapowerofear Yes but the ENITRE IHS will heat up. As thats whats it there for, to help dissipate heat to the heatsink. Read any article online about how to apply thermal paste it will tell you to spread a thin layer. The only people who dont seem to do this are people on youtube.
@Dapowerofear While yes there will be more heat in the center of the IHS, that does not mean there wont be heat anywhere else. There will still be imperfections on the IHS on the outside of it as well so yes the entire IHS needs compound for effective cooling.
@jakthebomb In all seriousness, and I believe I am speaking for the rest of the unfriendly community here on youtube, at the end of the day we do appreciate you making this video here for us and answering our pending questions. Remarks or queries. Your house may get awfully hot during the summer though....
@jakthebomb What kind of processor do you have? Im using a P4 Northwood S478 that I JUST now applied AS5 to and used less than HALF that amount spreading a thin layer and right now my processor is sitting at.... 27c. And thats with a 1.6v vcore, old school.
@jakthebomb Those were my temps with crappy thermal paste and a gemini ii s.
Now with the AS5 and the NH C14 my temps are 22C. and 42C under load. I'd say you're running a bit warm. But your house may be hotter than mine, mind you, i live in SoCal.
@GreatIntellect13 I don't know if you're an enthusiast but I used a ceramic compound on my Athlon 64 x2 2.8Ghz Windsor and my idle temps are 31-32c and this guy's are 35c. As you may know the ceramic compound is perceive as shit by the enthusiast crowd. I won't argue that if I use AS5 or MX-2 I'll drop 5-10c on my temps but still ceramic is just fine.
@jakthebomb Actually it's a little overkill. If you check most professional builders & the center dot method, they'll say grain of rice, not jolly green giant pea. ;-) From my expierience as long as it's a current, quality compound, (which tend to be lower viscosity now, so easily displaced), it's hard to screw up actual cooling performance with too much though. You'll just have plenty of excess squished out the sides. As the jerk stated, the video is appreciated just the same.
@HugMyNutz You should probably also mention that making it in the shape of a vagina will almost certainly result in a monthly BSOD... and an irrational hatred of online filth.
thermal paste is none conductive so you can squirt on as much as you want, and also you can smear it with your fingers and cover then entire thing, 99% of these guys are quacks, guess what a heatsing never ever ever sits perfectly flat so you get hot spots that are not covered because you are tightening the screwes one by one. and no with that much compression there is no such thing as air bubbles. Been working with computers since 386.
@HugMyNutz arctic silver 5, which appears to be what hes using in the vid, is conductive. from Arctic Silver's website "While much safer than silver greases engineered for high electrical conductivity, Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. Arctic Silver 5 is slightly capacitive
and could cause problems if it bridged two close-proximity electrical paths.
i spread half over the cpu then the other half i put on the heatseek but i dont rub that in to the heatseek only the half on the cpu i rub over the cpu leaving a border line free around the cpu free of paste.
@hempheadfor20 you say that but iv never had any ps3,laptop,desktop, overheat plus the temp is all ways lower then be for. If it was wrong then i would see the temp higher not lower. I only use very small amounts. 1 tube of arctic silver 3.5g can do 18 ps3 or around 30 pc cpu. which is good value in my eyes. i clean old paste off with a citrus based solvent. on avenge the temps are lower by around 3-6c then over time drops by around 2-3c again. I'm happy with that.
You want the coupling between the chip top and the heat sink pad to be as total as possible, so... card spread a layer on EACH of them, very smooth, not very thick, if you mess up, wipe it off, maybe use alcohol on a dust free clean rag and do it again. When you get both surfaces covered with a nice thin layer of paste, then put a small dab, about the same shown in this video in the center of each surface and slowly press the two surfaces together and apply the holding clamps to spec... done.
MYTH< MYTH< MYTH... most of you people are living on myths. Unless you are a builder of MANY units, the amount doesn't matter. YOU can squeeze an entire tube of Arctic in there if you want and watch it squeeze out the sides... the viscosity versus the pressure determines the final thickness, not the amount you used. And the mess out the sides will not mess up your circuitry, so it's aesthetics, not function that really matters! Of course, 'I' wouldn't use the whole tube, just saying.
@doceigen Exactly idk ware the hell people get some of there info but for the past 5 gameing rigs i used less than this guy but not much less. its all about getting the paste to contact the heat-sink and chip and become an actual heat transfer pad.
@doceigen Yes but the more you use will still be more between the hsf and processor. Thinner layers are better as the compound is not there to act as a heatsink, it is only there to fill in microscopic holes and unevenness. You dont actually want that much between the hsf and the processor as its the heatsink that dissipates the heat, not the compound.
@320bit No, not really, I'll try to explain again... the thickness of the final layer between the chip top and the heat sink is based on the viscosity of the paste and the pressure of the springs pressing the heat sink onto the chip top. No matter how much you put in, that layer thickness will be based on these, the only difference being... how much paste you apply versus how much squishes out of the sides. SO, for a thin line... using thick paste, use a stronger set of clips or springs.
@doceigen Well, the way I have done it for almost a decade seems to get me lower temperatures than alot of people who do it "correctly" so I will continue to spread it like butter!
@320bit I've stated that the 'correct' method is to ultra clean the surfaces and make sure there are no nicks. Doctor knife a very thin flat layer on both surfaces. Now put a dab in the middle with as few bubbles as possible. Then leave it alone for maybe a hour or two, to allow the bubbles to escape. Now bring the two surfaces together and allow the dab to ooze out between the spread layers. then clamp it. Run the electronics for 1/2 hr. Cool. Run again. Done.
@doceigen For the simple fact that no matter how you choose to apply compound, any way will only result in MAYBE a 5-7c difference in load temperatures. So to spend almost an entire day just applying thermal compound is such a waste of effort and time when you wont see hardly any difference in temperatures at all.
@doceigen Takes you mere seconds yet you said to run it for 30 mins then run it again. Sounds more like at least 30mins to me. If you are going to make an argument, at least try to make sense and not sputter about going from nearly an hour to seconds.
@doceigen Wait wait no, your process according to exactly what you posted takes at least 2 and a half hours. Wtf man. And now it takes mere seconds? So you have a time machine do you?
@320bit Well, if YOU are going to be stupid, why not go stand in the closet behind your clothing and cry like you usually do? It takes me seconds to clean and apply paste, the multi-polymerizing process of heating it in order to free up the last of the bubbles and so out-gas them, and then to take the paste to its minimum 'less oil' phase is something everyone does, including you, I make an argument for starting and running in stages 'for a reason',YOU depend on MAGIC! Like I said, stupid!
Propper amount, that will cover the whole motherboard, I use like a 2mm drop of paste with 6Kg of mounting pressure and that spreads over the whole processor.
That much AS5 would be good for 10 chips, not 1. Your temps will improve dramatically over the break in as the compound spreads. It's not there to stick between the two surfaces, it's there to plug any holes!
Make sense to think ps3 manufacturers to use 1 dollar less thermal paste...5 million ps3..save 5 million bucks..of course they miscalculate faulty goods because of the cheap thermal compound :p
I couldn't find the CPU so I bought 12 tubes of MX3 and smothered it all over the motherboard. I then took 150ml of alcohol and poured it over the motherboard and slightly shook it to evenly spread it. I used a hairdryer to dry it all. I now get 10 to 15 degrees less than before.
I couldn't find the CPU so I bought 12 tubes of MX3 and smothered it all over the motherboard. I then took 150ml of alcohol and poured it over the motherboard and slightly shook it to evenly spread it. I used a hairdryer to dry it all. I now get 10 to 15 degrees less than before.
@jakthebomb that's way to much.all you need is a thin line or small dab.just a little will spread out further then you think. and arctic silver 5 is also slightly conductive meaning to much and it "could" short your shit out.
@331sbf Really? Since when did you perform some tests? Oh that is right you didn't. All of my test prove I am right. Arctic Silver 5 doesn't short shit either.
@lastresort90 Now why would I do that? If you use the paste correctly there isn't a concern. I use Artic Silver 5 Religiously as it has proven it's quality and longevity. I have computers that are going on 3 years using this with no problems.
@jakthebomb Maybe you should go to AS website and read on says this: While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths.
@mupp33n Yes, I agree with your information. However, if you put the proper amount then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have a Liquid cooling system in my rig, should I not use it and say "Water is conductive"? NO as long as the system doesn't leak I have nothing to worry about.
1.) Silver is the most thermal and electrically conductive metal on earth, so Arctic Silver is more than slightly conductive seeing as how it is 99.9% silver
2.)The viscosity of Arctic Silver 5 is relatively high. Unless someone is a dumbass and squirts it all over the sides of the CPU, there's no need to get your panties in a bunch about it shorting out your socket.
3.)If you want to know the optimum amount of thermal paste to apply, squirt some and press glass ovr it
@joopvd No, if you would press a piece of glass over an amount of Arctic Silver 5 equal to what he used in the video, you would see that the amount he used covers approx 80% of the CPU. Is it necessary to cover 80% of the CPU? No, but it sure as hell isn't gonna hurt.
@TRDSpecs Not true. Countless builds, by others and me, have dried out after 4 years. But that doesnt matter... You need to replace the thermal paste every 3 years regardless what you have. All pastes will degrade over their use, and at 3-4 years its time to replace. That's why most companies only offer 3 year warranties, over heating usually starts at the end of the 2nd year.
guess what? .. i have a pentium 3 that i clean all the thermal paste and test it like 3 days of working to see what will happen. GUESS WHAT? nothing:)) works fine and i didn't stoped here i took a dual core intel 3.0 ghz making the same ..NOTHING AGAIN works like the paste doesn't make any sense to put it ..
BUT DONT TRY THIS AT HOME MAY DAMAGE YOUR CPU (if you don't install CORRECTLY your cpu cooler!)
its working fine also without thermal paste i didnt made the same to my i7 2600k :))cz its not 20 bucks but for the old cheap processors thermal paste doesnt make nothing in my cases works without very nice
do i apply thermal paste on gpu and cpu both? or one of them only? i just bought new graphics card for my laptop and i have ic7 tryin to figure out how to do it
plplove 1 day ago
@plplove One only. A small blob in the center to avoid trapped air bubbles.
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It doesn't matter how much you use as long as the coverage is complete, the viscosity of the paste versus the spring tension of the system that presses the heat sink to the chip top, will determine the final thickness. My statement about using a razor to spread thin layers on both clean surfaces first!, as a whetting agent, is simply BRILLIANT! Overflowing arctic... is fine, it will cause no problem, it just doesn't 'look' great. The slight capacitance, is NOT an issue.
doceigen 2 days ago
my pc usually shows NO SYNC after booting,sumtyms it works, I have an amd athlon dual core with geforce 9500gt ddr3, is it the graphic card failing,after the windows logo appeared, NO SYNC shows up on the screen. pls help
len59356 1 week ago
the right amount is no heat paste overhang on the processor.
sasrob28 2 weeks ago 2
@sasrob28 which this is the right amount.
jakthebomb 2 weeks ago
No shit Sherlock
DrHerpingtonThe5th 3 weeks ago
will this work with the ps3
leef0324uk 3 weeks ago
@leef0324uk If you apply it on your PS3's CPU, probably.
53525252252 2 weeks ago
@53525252252 ive tried it it works thanks
leef0324uk 2 weeks ago
Also, it doesn't matter how much Arctic Silver you put into the volume between the chip and the sink, UNLESS appearance counts. There is no detrimental effect to having a 5 lb. glob of Arctic Silver bulging out or smeared all over the place, in fact use a 30 lb blob... as long as it doesn't block the air used to cool the heat sink, it simply doesn't matter. If you disagree, how about not attacking me, but instead... carefully describing WHY you disagree.
doceigen 1 month ago
@doceigen The reason for the attacks is you have so called Professionals thinking that they are the experts of building a PC. I am a professional and run a professional business. I have NEVER had a PC come back due to overheating. Obviously my method works. I have the numbers and time to back it up.
jakthebomb 1 month ago
@jakthebomb I have no problem with your technique. All I was doing was giving clarity to the technicalities for why certain decisions are made and why certain attributes that most know nothing about... matter. But then, bammm! drive by shooting starts and then back and forth begins, and the trolls continue to attack. If you can erase all of the troll stuff, and my responses to them, we can return to a civilized technical thread. Thanks.
doceigen 1 month ago
@jakthebomb Why are people attacking this video?
NOOBNUT08 1 week ago
@jakthebomb great, so keep cutting corners until one does!
koncertLive 6 days ago
@doceigen "While much safer than electrically conductive silver and copper greases, Arctic Silver 5 should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths."
THIS WHY!!!!!!!
sparky3489 5 days ago
@sparky3489 No big deal, don't worry about it.
doceigen 5 days ago
@doceigen Uh yeah, it is a big deal if you give false information.
sparky3489 4 days ago
@sparky3489 Then DON'T!
doceigen 3 days ago
@doceigen No "professional" is going to even jokingly suggest that it doesn't matter the amount you use OR to spread paste with a razor. Therefore, sir, you are NOT a professional and you should retract your false statements.
sparky3489 3 days ago
@sparky3489 It doesn't matter how much you use as long as the coverage is complete, the viscosity of the paste versus the spring tension of the system that presses the heat sink to the chip top, will determine the final thickness. My statements about using a razor to spread thin layers on both clean surfaces first!, as a whetting agent, is simply BRILLIANT! Overflowing arctic... is fine, it will cause no problem, it just doesn't 'look' great. The slight capacitance, is NOT an issue.
doceigen 3 days ago
@sparky3489 You really need to pull in your claws there young missy, you are an ignorant bobo who has no clue as to the physics involved, or as to who or what I am. So either provide a 'technical rebuttal', or back off.
doceigen 3 days ago
@doceigen 25+ year Level II Electronics Technician - J-STD-001 certified IPC specialist - head of the RMA dept. of a company that manufactures circuit boards for the Military DOD, Boeing, Raytheon, Midwest Microwave and many other prestigious companies.
It is clearly obvious you have no electronics background to say squat.
sparky3489 2 days ago
@sparky3489 That is funny, At my company we used to send our equipment to an RMA department due to over heating laptops. They would come back still overheating. After I took over that we NEVER had another Overheating laptop again. Oldest Repair 3+ years, still works.
jakthebomb 2 days ago
@sparky3489 Well golly gee 'Sparky', you took a full 5 day course in soldering? I've worked on contracts for three of those groups you mentioned, plus many more, as a Principle Investigator - Engineer/Scientist, Ph.D. level, doing the actual development of the stuff you finally got to see little pieces of, as they trickled down. Hey!, I've hung out with Level II techs here and there, when they just didn't get something. So you're telling me, you've LOTS to learn still... so quit resisting.
doceigen 2 days ago
@doceigen Soldering to a standard is more than your skills.
I design, develop and create my own circuit boards from scratch purely as a hobby so don't try to raise it to some mystical thing to perform.
If the most you've ever worked on was a laptop processor, YOU have much to learn. I deal with CPU's that range around the $9,000 neighborhood and are a bit more critical than a laptop CPU. My statement still stands, if you're going to call yourself a professional, retract your false statements.
sparky3489 2 days ago
@sparky3489 By the way, your insecurities are showing.
sparky3489 2 days ago
@sparky3489 You seem to be a retard, so I will again 'try' to be clear with you. All you seem CAPABLE of doing is professing to a 'professional status'. What you are utterly INCAPABLE of doing so far, is discussing your technical issues. Soldering to a standard, as trivial as that actually is,... has nothing to do with understanding the physics involved here. I'm not buying into your holier than thou BS, you either switch to 'technical discussion mode', or go screw yourself.
doceigen 2 days ago
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@doceigen I'm so sorry to find you have total memory loss. Such a shame for a person of your age. " ...it doesn't matter how much Arctic Silver you put into the volume between the chip and the sink ... is no detrimental effect to having a 5 lb. glob of Arctic Silver bulging out ...., in fact use a 30 lb blob."
I'd LOVE to see this "30 lb. blob" not effect performance in any way.
Your problem is your methods can't be challenged as your defense is belittling others. That is truly sad.
sparky3489 1 day ago
Creating a thin polished layer on each of the surfaces acts as a whetting agent, so that as diffusion takes place, no part of either metal surface is protected from coverage by surface tension. Another step left out of most people's paradigm, is the necessary out-gassing of bubbles trapped in the paste, the best way to eliminate those is with a small vacuum pump from an old refrigerator, but who but me would go through the trouble? I make things, 'space qualified'. hehe
doceigen 1 month ago
The BEST way is: Clean both surfaces to dust and residue free. Then put a small amount of paste on each surface and spread them with a razor blade to a smooth thin layer. Then place a small amount onto the center of one of the surfaces and smooth it just slightly with your razor so as to eliminate craters. Now keep the surfaces parallel, bring them together SLOWLY so that the small dab in the center, travels in a radial pattern between the thin layers on each surface, then tighten fittings.
doceigen 1 month ago
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doceigen 1 month ago
@doceigen lol im not trolling you just are a douche and steal peoples comments and post them as your own, also that last comment you sent me sounded so fucken dumb just thought you should know
SOxxLegit 1 month ago
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doceigen 1 month ago
@doceigen i saw it on another video where the guy was showing the spreading of thermal compound
SOxxLegit 1 month ago
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doceigen 1 month ago
@doceigen I can easily see you didn't write that comment. Here's how: "Your" first comment had near perfect grammar, but after that your comments stopped using big letters in the beginning of the sentence.
123thepyro123 1 month ago
@123thepyro123 thanks for agreeing with me this guy is being a total douche and spamming that thermal paste comment
SOxxLegit 1 month ago
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doceigen 1 month ago
@doceigen I truly feel sorry for you. Being over 40 years old and arguing with little kids, aka SOxxLegit on the internet.
123thepyro123 1 month ago
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doceigen 1 month ago
@doceigen I have never said anything about plagiarism.
123thepyro123 1 month ago
@doceigen I have never said anything about plagiarism. You're the 40+ year old man who's arguing with people online, so I ask you; Who's the loser here? Think of you and your life before you say anything to other people.
123thepyro123 1 month ago
@123thepyro123 Since you asked, you're the loser here, now live with that answer.
doceigen 1 month ago
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doceigen 1 month ago
The amount doesn't matter, except if scoring neatness. The worst thing to do is create air-bubbles and then press that air-bubble filled paste in-between two plates. The air-bubbles will stay there and the micro-volumes with resonate with heat, until the pressure causes the hardening paste next to the bubbles to crack, then the paste is useless. Also, those bubbles in traveling laptops are affected by altitude pressure changes and will crack the the old paste up. Smooth, and slow... !
doceigen 1 month ago
@doceigen nice copy/paste maybe next time give the guy recognition
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doceigen 1 month ago
I would say that's a bit too much although i hope you did test this on several machines & never had any problems with that. I re-applied paste to my Compaq & i only used 1/4 of that amount. I got the temp down to 20-23*C. Before that it got up to around 40*C. Didn't help that the fan/heat sink was completely covered in dust. But the center of the CPU is the only area where the thermal paste is really needed.
ConsumingRed 1 month ago
I still have the same tube of arctic Silver 5 compound I bought in 2000 for my first machine build, and I've built/repaired about 12 with the same tube, if that gives you any idea.
thedefog 1 month ago 5
TinyTaco is right.
as for me the best method is the size of the rice grain.
I used to have this Coolermaster hyper 212+ and it does not have a flat surface so the dot method did not spread correctly.
lorac7 1 month ago
Dude putting heatsink compund on a CPU is not the same as putting mustard on your burger.
Gupsterful 1 month ago
No that is to much paste. Im 100% sure if you reseat your heatsink you will notice tons of overspill. The purpose of TIM is to have as LITTLE as possible to cover the core area extremely thin. The core is smack dab in the middle of the chip and that is all you need to cover not the entire IHS. If you feel the need to argue im not gonna respond. Go to overclock(dot)net or xtremesystems(dot)org and argue with the pros and we will tell you this is to much TIM.
overclockedamd123 1 month ago
to everyone whos bashing his "amount...." /watch?v=EyXLu1Ms-q4&feature=related
you will see that AS doesntspread as well as other types so stfu this looks like a good amount to cover most of the HS
SeanofZeus 1 month ago
hell i use industrial grade thermally conductive silicon adhesive and so far its worked for me. ps its so strong t can hold a pentium 4 heatsink and fan to a video card.
shadow444222 1 month ago
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What your dealing with in reality is-How flat do you perceive the mating surfaces to be?
What in affect you are creating with grease between the two surfaces is hopefully a thinner gasket as possible, capable of transferring heat away from the CPU. If you have to apply lots of paste, it would have been better to have invested in a better quality flatter heatsink.
Get yourself some engineers blue to test the mating surfaces used as sparingly as possible wiping clean afterwards.
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boneheadorwhat 1 month ago
the best thing to do is to expiriment with different methods. I make a small X on my chips, as thin as possible. After testing how it spreads with a block of plexi I determined that got the most coverage and best spready. You have to keep the X pretty damn thin in order to not use too much. Too much is almost as bad as not enough.
dirtysanchezman 1 month ago
That is way too much thermal compound. Your idle temps may be alright but your load temps would be lower if you applied it properly. I've used Arctic Silver's instruction on their website on how to apply thermal compound. If your CPU is an Intel i7 with a rectangular die underneath the CPU heat spreader then you are supposed to use the line method. Your only filling microscopic gaps between the 2 surfaces. Any more causes the heat transfer to be less then optimal.
AaronJDonat 2 months ago
I know you're just trying to help people out so I don't want to come across as mean because at least you want to make these videos to help people out. It would help if you explained the different methods and what situations they are supposed to be used. I didn't believe such little compound would work either but it does and it looks very close to the pictures on their web site. I even used a piece of thick glass as not to break and put thermal compound on that to see how far it would spread.
AaronJDonat 2 months ago
you really only need a beebee sized dot of paste. The pressure of you placing the heatsink will spread the paste.
WulfUntamed 2 months ago
@320bit It not only helps, it maintains a longer processor life. Granted, most people don't keep their tech for that long anyways. But it's definitely nessicary for overclockers like myself.
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
Further things to think about in life... when heat is first applied to a paste the paste will soften, this is important because one way in which paste inhibits conduction of heat is by being a sponge structure, and this happens when small bubbles are cooked into the paste as the system continues to heat. So when heat is first applied and the paste gets soft, if you turn off the computer, the air bubbles will have time to 'outgas' and shrink, before you restart and continue to cook the paste.
doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen Iv been doing this for almost a decade and never "cooked" the paste nor had any cooling issues. Your argument is, again, invalid.
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doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen So where is this scientific proof? Im sure millions of dollars were spent in researching the "correct" way to apply thermal compound. So lets see those results. Oh wait. There isnt any. Your argument is still invalid. But keep trying, Im sure eventually youll come up with something.
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit if there isn't, then you don't have to go around spreading comments such as: "it's very bad to not spread the paste." The only reason I started this debate is because you're putting in way that makes it seem like it's terrible when you don't... and for those following this, get enough paste and try a few methods, find what works best for you. $12 for a small tube of AS5 seems expensive, but it's much cheaper than your CPU.
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
@Dapowerofear I only said that in response to the comment that said "its very bad TO spread it". It really doesnt matter either way, but to advise people that its bad to is just ridiculous. And I dont get why you act like its the end of the world if you dont use any at all. Cuz its not. It just helps.
320bit 2 months ago
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doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen Superheating. I like the sound of that.
320bit 2 months ago
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doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen Yup. Still no solid proof of which method is better and why. Sorry, your argument remains invalid. Try again.
320bit 2 months ago
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doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen I need an explanation of why you think I am lazy.
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doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen Iv done plenty of research on the subject, probably more than you. And there is no definite answer or method that is PROVEN to be better than the other. For the simple fact, not all surfaces will be the same. So each one will respond differently. Just as there is no exact amount to use, since different processors have different die sizes and different surface area to cover.
320bit 2 months ago
@doceigen The bottom line is, whether you spread the compound or not, you wont see any difference in operating temperatures. If so, it will be VERY minimal at best. And that, is a fact.
320bit 2 months ago
@doceigen And by the way, if you actually do research you will find that most companies will tell you to APPLY a thin layer. They do not say whether to spread it or not. But by not spreading it, you have not applied a layer at all just a blob. And will you also find that most of the overclocking enthusiast prefer to spread it rather than not for the simple fact you assured full coverage of both surfaces aka the compound will be able to do its job more effectively.
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit I've seen people use painters tape around the edges and then use that as a guide to spread a nice even layer using the edges of the tape. You still run the risk of getting air bubbles in it though. The only time Arctic Silver recommends spreading it out is if it's an exposed die. Most people don't like to read directions though and just assume they know better then the people who make the stuff.
AaronJDonat 2 months ago
@doceigen I thought this might interest you. Straight from Artic Silver themselves. Notice how almost every method is listed depending on the processor which is best:
h ttp://w w w. arcticsilver .c om/intel_application_method.html#
And since they make the leading thermal compound, Im sure they know what they are talking about. Enjoy.
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doceigen 2 months ago
@320bit Oh, it seems I typo'd. I meant to say that the heatsink's diode only reads about 4 degrees lower than the chip's diode, and my problem is more along the lines of the heatsink not having a good enough surface area to spread the heat my CPU makes.
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
@320bit Well, of course! but the dot method has always seemed to yield a much better result for me, every single time. It also seems to have a higher heat transfer, I just don't think my small heatsink is really much better than stock, just quieter...
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
@Dapowerofear Well in my experience there is not a big enough difference to matter. I just prefer to have the whole surface area of my processors IHS covered so I have more contact as opposed to only having the middle part covered and not caring about the rest of the IHS which also transfers heat.
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit Oh, another thing. Using a temp diode on one of the heatpies coming from the copper baseplate only reads about 4 degrees centigrade than the onboard diode. You think that spread method gets better thermal contact?
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
@Dapowerofear You lost me. The temperature will ALWAYS be different on the heatsink than in the processor core.....
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit That's really funny, using the spread method last time gave me temps in the 70s. Much flatter that this guy did it, and thinner too. Why do you think that is? Because instead of removing the air in the microfractures, you're filling it with them. Dot method doesn't create air bubbles, and my heatsink contact plate has it's entire area filled with the paste, and the contact plate only covers 90% of the die itself. What say you, then?
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
@320bit In fact, the only time you SHOULD spread the paste is when you are using direct thermal pipe contact. Spreading using a baseplate gives a lot less conductivity and traps air, which is a terrible conductor.
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
@Dapowerofear Obviously the way I do it is more effective than the way you and this other guy claim is the correct way, since my older, bigger, higher voltage, more power hungry processor runs almost 10c cooler with a stock HSF and only 2 120mm case fans.
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit You need to seriously stop spreading this nonsence. The integer cores are usually placed in the very middle and the memory controllers right around them. Do not forget that the entire silicon chip is only 90, 45, or 32nm wide and the memory controllers are not far from them. The entire chip does NOT need to be covered to get effective cooling.
Dapowerofear 2 months ago
@Dapowerofear Yes but the ENITRE IHS will heat up. As thats whats it there for, to help dissipate heat to the heatsink. Read any article online about how to apply thermal paste it will tell you to spread a thin layer. The only people who dont seem to do this are people on youtube.
320bit 2 months ago
@Dapowerofear While yes there will be more heat in the center of the IHS, that does not mean there wont be heat anywhere else. There will still be imperfections on the IHS on the outside of it as well so yes the entire IHS needs compound for effective cooling.
320bit 2 months ago
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I often wonder why the demo's show the paste applied to the processor.
Would it not be easier to add the paste to the heatsink?
boneheadorwhat 2 months ago
"Thats the correct amount, that will spread across the entire chip" yeah and the rest of your house you idiot
Iliketheflatb00bs 2 months ago 7
@Iliketheflatb00bs Lol, Good try though!
jakthebomb 2 months ago
@jakthebomb In all seriousness, and I believe I am speaking for the rest of the unfriendly community here on youtube, at the end of the day we do appreciate you making this video here for us and answering our pending questions. Remarks or queries. Your house may get awfully hot during the summer though....
Iliketheflatb00bs 2 months ago
@Iliketheflatb00bs With this amount of paste my temps currently are 35C. The paste amount is just fine.
jakthebomb 2 months ago 2
@jakthebomb What kind of processor do you have? Im using a P4 Northwood S478 that I JUST now applied AS5 to and used less than HALF that amount spreading a thin layer and right now my processor is sitting at.... 27c. And thats with a 1.6v vcore, old school.
320bit 2 months ago
@jakthebomb Those were my temps with crappy thermal paste and a gemini ii s.
Now with the AS5 and the NH C14 my temps are 22C. and 42C under load. I'd say you're running a bit warm. But your house may be hotter than mine, mind you, i live in SoCal.
GreatIntellect13 1 month ago
@GreatIntellect13 I don't know if you're an enthusiast but I used a ceramic compound on my Athlon 64 x2 2.8Ghz Windsor and my idle temps are 31-32c and this guy's are 35c. As you may know the ceramic compound is perceive as shit by the enthusiast crowd. I won't argue that if I use AS5 or MX-2 I'll drop 5-10c on my temps but still ceramic is just fine.
SWOgottaGO 1 month ago
@jakthebomb Actually it's a little overkill. If you check most professional builders & the center dot method, they'll say grain of rice, not jolly green giant pea. ;-) From my expierience as long as it's a current, quality compound, (which tend to be lower viscosity now, so easily displaced), it's hard to screw up actual cooling performance with too much though. You'll just have plenty of excess squished out the sides. As the jerk stated, the video is appreciated just the same.
Tinytacohead 1 month ago
@Iliketheflatb00bs Hilarious mate, made me LOL for real that comment.
DP7657 1 month ago
@Iliketheflatb00bs then how u supposed to apply it then?
mrbest20 1 month ago
if you make it in the shape of a penis it makes the chip 10x faster. sources this guy above, and jesus
HugMyNutz 2 months ago 14
@HugMyNutz You should probably also mention that making it in the shape of a vagina will almost certainly result in a monthly BSOD... and an irrational hatred of online filth.
xstevie666 2 months ago
thermal paste is none conductive so you can squirt on as much as you want, and also you can smear it with your fingers and cover then entire thing, 99% of these guys are quacks, guess what a heatsing never ever ever sits perfectly flat so you get hot spots that are not covered because you are tightening the screwes one by one. and no with that much compression there is no such thing as air bubbles. Been working with computers since 386.
HugMyNutz 2 months ago
@HugMyNutz arctic silver 5, which appears to be what hes using in the vid, is conductive. from Arctic Silver's website "While much safer than silver greases engineered for high electrical conductivity, Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. Arctic Silver 5 is slightly capacitive
and could cause problems if it bridged two close-proximity electrical paths.
jpendy1 2 months ago
@HugMyNutz AS has silver in it..some thermal paste causes shorts others dont. depends on the material used to make it
SeanofZeus 1 month ago
look on the artic silver web site.
im hitting the artic silver 5 paste temps should be around.
i find it hard to believe that people can get
better temps just by applying it in "the right way"
surely the making of heat paste would give you the
best out come for the paste so if people say they can beat
the temps then they should apply for a job at artic silver
so they can show them "the right way". if i was not hitting the
artic silver site temp guide then i would not do it my way.
sasrob28 3 months ago
I find it better to do 1 or 2 vertical lines for better coverage
bamfan2044 3 months ago
i spread half over the cpu then the other half i put on the heatseek but i dont rub that in to the heatseek only the half on the cpu i rub over the cpu leaving a border line free around the cpu free of paste.
sasrob28 3 months ago
@sasrob28
Perfect example of what not to do.
hempheadfor20 3 months ago
@hempheadfor20 you say that but iv never had any ps3,laptop,desktop, overheat plus the temp is all ways lower then be for. If it was wrong then i would see the temp higher not lower. I only use very small amounts. 1 tube of arctic silver 3.5g can do 18 ps3 or around 30 pc cpu. which is good value in my eyes. i clean old paste off with a citrus based solvent. on avenge the temps are lower by around 3-6c then over time drops by around 2-3c again. I'm happy with that.
sasrob28 3 months ago
@sasrob28
Any rube can prevent overheating. It's about doing things the "Best Way". Optimize!
hempheadfor20 3 months ago
You want the coupling between the chip top and the heat sink pad to be as total as possible, so... card spread a layer on EACH of them, very smooth, not very thick, if you mess up, wipe it off, maybe use alcohol on a dust free clean rag and do it again. When you get both surfaces covered with a nice thin layer of paste, then put a small dab, about the same shown in this video in the center of each surface and slowly press the two surfaces together and apply the holding clamps to spec... done.
doceigen 3 months ago
MYTH< MYTH< MYTH... most of you people are living on myths. Unless you are a builder of MANY units, the amount doesn't matter. YOU can squeeze an entire tube of Arctic in there if you want and watch it squeeze out the sides... the viscosity versus the pressure determines the final thickness, not the amount you used. And the mess out the sides will not mess up your circuitry, so it's aesthetics, not function that really matters! Of course, 'I' wouldn't use the whole tube, just saying.
doceigen 3 months ago
@doceigen Exactly idk ware the hell people get some of there info but for the past 5 gameing rigs i used less than this guy but not much less. its all about getting the paste to contact the heat-sink and chip and become an actual heat transfer pad.
gageoninja 3 months ago
@doceigen Yes but the more you use will still be more between the hsf and processor. Thinner layers are better as the compound is not there to act as a heatsink, it is only there to fill in microscopic holes and unevenness. You dont actually want that much between the hsf and the processor as its the heatsink that dissipates the heat, not the compound.
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit No, not really, I'll try to explain again... the thickness of the final layer between the chip top and the heat sink is based on the viscosity of the paste and the pressure of the springs pressing the heat sink onto the chip top. No matter how much you put in, that layer thickness will be based on these, the only difference being... how much paste you apply versus how much squishes out of the sides. SO, for a thin line... using thick paste, use a stronger set of clips or springs.
doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen Well, the way I have done it for almost a decade seems to get me lower temperatures than alot of people who do it "correctly" so I will continue to spread it like butter!
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit I've stated that the 'correct' method is to ultra clean the surfaces and make sure there are no nicks. Doctor knife a very thin flat layer on both surfaces. Now put a dab in the middle with as few bubbles as possible. Then leave it alone for maybe a hour or two, to allow the bubbles to escape. Now bring the two surfaces together and allow the dab to ooze out between the spread layers. then clamp it. Run the electronics for 1/2 hr. Cool. Run again. Done.
doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen wtf man. This isnt rocket science. Jesus. I want some of what your smoking.
320bit 2 months ago
@doceigen For the simple fact that no matter how you choose to apply compound, any way will only result in MAYBE a 5-7c difference in load temperatures. So to spend almost an entire day just applying thermal compound is such a waste of effort and time when you wont see hardly any difference in temperatures at all.
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doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen Takes you mere seconds yet you said to run it for 30 mins then run it again. Sounds more like at least 30mins to me. If you are going to make an argument, at least try to make sense and not sputter about going from nearly an hour to seconds.
320bit 2 months ago
@doceigen Wait wait no, your process according to exactly what you posted takes at least 2 and a half hours. Wtf man. And now it takes mere seconds? So you have a time machine do you?
320bit 2 months ago
@320bit Well, if YOU are going to be stupid, why not go stand in the closet behind your clothing and cry like you usually do? It takes me seconds to clean and apply paste, the multi-polymerizing process of heating it in order to free up the last of the bubbles and so out-gas them, and then to take the paste to its minimum 'less oil' phase is something everyone does, including you, I make an argument for starting and running in stages 'for a reason',YOU depend on MAGIC! Like I said, stupid!
doceigen 2 months ago
@doceigen Way to completely avoid admitting that you were talking out of your ass.
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320bit 2 months ago
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@doceigen Still avoiding the fact you made a dumbass comment.
320bit 2 months ago
Wow why so much? Use 25% of that and you will yield better temps.
LandonHeat 4 months ago
thanks a bunch. wanted to make sure i got it right .
nurdyt95 4 months ago
Propper amount, that will cover the whole motherboard, I use like a 2mm drop of paste with 6Kg of mounting pressure and that spreads over the whole processor.
ibanez1andrew 4 months ago
That much AS5 would be good for 10 chips, not 1. Your temps will improve dramatically over the break in as the compound spreads. It's not there to stick between the two surfaces, it's there to plug any holes!
233kosta 4 months ago
Make sense to think ps3 manufacturers to use 1 dollar less thermal paste...5 million ps3..save 5 million bucks..of course they miscalculate faulty goods because of the cheap thermal compound :p
jovilim89 4 months ago
too much.
iagher 4 months ago
Dude, that is TOO MUCH. lol
dominusnile1 4 months ago
Damm way to much.
PauliusSmile 4 months ago
Can the chip overheating also cause certain games to randomly freeze?
ChaosTFox 4 months ago
personally i've found using about 50% of the amount used here was enough.
i tried a good 3-4 times looking at the temps when idle + prime95.
using enough thermal to cover the entire chip isn't necessarily the best method. i'm sure my paste only covers 60-75% of the chip and it runs nicely.
JunoNH 4 months ago
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I couldn't find the CPU so I bought 12 tubes of MX3 and smothered it all over the motherboard. I then took 150ml of alcohol and poured it over the motherboard and slightly shook it to evenly spread it. I used a hairdryer to dry it all. I now get 10 to 15 degrees less than before.
The1126jjk 4 months ago
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I couldn't find the CPU so I bought 12 tubes of MX3 and smothered it all over the motherboard. I then took 150ml of alcohol and poured it over the motherboard and slightly shook it to evenly spread it. I used a hairdryer to dry it all. I now get 10 to 15 degrees less than before.
The1126jjk 4 months ago
Wow it spreads itself......-.-
StormUndead 5 months ago
@jakthebomb sounds reasonable but please be honest,how long did your PS3 last after you did this method
DontDenyTillUTry420 5 months ago
@DontDenyTillUTry420 it is still running. BTW this is my Gaming rig not the PS3.
jakthebomb 5 months ago
It's the proper way, but he uses *way too much* !! I would not even use 20% of the amount.
joopvd 6 months ago 21
@joopvd Some pastes need more than a sliver to cover the CPU. If you don't tint at least you need to use a bit extra.
HenryTomasino1 5 months ago
@joopvd The Temps are perfect, so this amount is just fine.
jakthebomb 5 months ago
@jakthebomb Great remark! To many opinions around about how to spread thermal compound without actually checking the temperatures to compare methods.
simonshusse 4 months ago
@jakthebomb that's way to much.all you need is a thin line or small dab.just a little will spread out further then you think. and arctic silver 5 is also slightly conductive meaning to much and it "could" short your shit out.
331sbf 4 months ago 3
@331sbf Really? Since when did you perform some tests? Oh that is right you didn't. All of my test prove I am right. Arctic Silver 5 doesn't short shit either.
jakthebomb 4 months ago
@jakthebomb All your tests huh??? How about you make a video of you spreading that "shit" all over your mobo circuitry.
lastresort90 4 months ago
@lastresort90 Now why would I do that? If you use the paste correctly there isn't a concern. I use Artic Silver 5 Religiously as it has proven it's quality and longevity. I have computers that are going on 3 years using this with no problems.
jakthebomb 4 months ago
@jakthebomb Yes it is still the PROPER way but you just don't have to use quite as much.
lastresort90 4 months ago
@jakthebomb Maybe you should go to AS website and read on says this: While it is not electrically conductive, the compound is very slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridges two close-proximity electrical paths.
mupp33n 3 months ago
@mupp33n Yes, I agree with your information. However, if you put the proper amount then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have a Liquid cooling system in my rig, should I not use it and say "Water is conductive"? NO as long as the system doesn't leak I have nothing to worry about.
jakthebomb 3 months ago
@331sbf Don't be a n00b:
1.) Silver is the most thermal and electrically conductive metal on earth, so Arctic Silver is more than slightly conductive seeing as how it is 99.9% silver
2.)The viscosity of Arctic Silver 5 is relatively high. Unless someone is a dumbass and squirts it all over the sides of the CPU, there's no need to get your panties in a bunch about it shorting out your socket.
3.)If you want to know the optimum amount of thermal paste to apply, squirt some and press glass ovr it
dixierebel1929 4 months ago
@jakthebomb
still when you put the heatsink on it will spread allot
MrELstatic 3 months ago
@joopvd No, if you would press a piece of glass over an amount of Arctic Silver 5 equal to what he used in the video, you would see that the amount he used covers approx 80% of the CPU. Is it necessary to cover 80% of the CPU? No, but it sure as hell isn't gonna hurt.
dixierebel1929 4 months ago
what thermal paste is best to use?
Alltimemaster 6 months ago
@Alltimemaster MX4 its the best and can last more then 8 years without drying
TRDSpecs 6 months ago
@TRDSpecs Not true. Countless builds, by others and me, have dried out after 4 years. But that doesnt matter... You need to replace the thermal paste every 3 years regardless what you have. All pastes will degrade over their use, and at 3-4 years its time to replace. That's why most companies only offer 3 year warranties, over heating usually starts at the end of the 2nd year.
HenryTomasino1 5 months ago
@HenryTomasino1
guess what? .. i have a pentium 3 that i clean all the thermal paste and test it like 3 days of working to see what will happen. GUESS WHAT? nothing:)) works fine and i didn't stoped here i took a dual core intel 3.0 ghz making the same ..NOTHING AGAIN works like the paste doesn't make any sense to put it ..
BUT DONT TRY THIS AT HOME MAY DAMAGE YOUR CPU (if you don't install CORRECTLY your cpu cooler!)
razor4tuning 5 months ago
@razor4tuning What? You just made no sense...
HenryTomasino1 5 months ago
@HenryTomasino1
its working fine also without thermal paste i didnt made the same to my i7 2600k :))cz its not 20 bucks but for the old cheap processors thermal paste doesnt make nothing in my cases works without very nice
razor4tuning 5 months ago
@HenryTomasino1 at least that what the box stated "8 years durability".
TRDSpecs 5 months ago