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Its about post natal depression - being trapped inside the house with a child that wont stop crying. The 'was' so warm line'is a possible indication that the child isn't any more - creepy. It is also about alienation and the need to drown out reality with tv etc.
@justine313 yes, that's exactly what I had interpret. Also when they sing "When I took her up she was so warm," sounds a little asif heat scares us people in our modern life. 'cause we are already used to cold, structured life that capture's all our individuality and steals away our creativity...
@dmonberry music is a very sexual way of expression. and so is religion. i for example, listen to what i consider beautiful - and guess what - beauty is also connected to lust. we are animals whether we like it or not.
God is dead (or smells dead funny), love was never alive, but there are lots of walls everywhere, and the concrete ones are the least metaphorical and insidious. So why not sing about it.
@Opethns How would we know what love is if we didn't know what the other side of life is? Love is when you forgive yourself for all the wrong you have done and move forward doing what you know is right.
I think this song is a wonderful example of how it feels sometimes to be a new mother. The warmth, the love......the isolation, the feelings of possible insanity, the loneliness.....the lack of sleep....the fear.
This track is deep. We live in a world of duality and to me, this song represents the darker side of our existence. We are beautiful creators of love, yet we lock ourselves in concrete walls and watchTV just to block out the truth. If we learn to embrace the darker side instead of fearing it, we can move beyond it grasp into a greater reality. Good job on capturing this feeling of being trapped in the darkness of our walls.
@justine313 We fear the pathological, to be excluded from the normative world. The dark, the sad, the perverse, the vulnerable, all are to be kept within concrete walls, hidden from the norms by which we judge others. The world we see everyday is a censured one, a selection of appearances. It is the sum of everyones' attempt to please others.
to be correct, Karin uses Pitch shifting to make the music more haunting, or dark. i love it. She also used it in the Knife a lot as well. would love to meet her in person. She is such an artist.
well we all have been socially engineered for centuries by the Christianity to reject a certain part of our nature. There are no evil angels with fire swords who drag people into an ocean of fire, just like there is no Santa Claus. There is a primeval man, though. The man who is not afraid of the darkness, because he knows himself, the man who can kill and love without remorse, because he knows nature. Exactly that kind of man cannot be made a slave. Good morning.
Would the primeval man not be afraid of the darkness? I disagree very much.
The primeval man does not know nature any more than he knows himself - he is nature, he is not apart from it, there is little to see. Perhaps this is enough.
But he is certainly afraid. Any mortal has and will always be so. Only Santa Claus is afraid of nothing. Have you never had fear of oceans of fire? Then you have not tasted fire. Only the broken mind cannot be broken, only the broken mind knows remorse.
@ClandestineOstrich If you are afraid of bears and wolves in the dark - you are not afraid of the dark, you are afraid of bears and wolves. If you get up to piss at night, in your suburban condo, and while you walk to your pisser you get an eerie feeling and have to turn on the light - you are afraid of the dark, you are afraid of your own fears. I never said primeval man wasn't afraid of anything, I was talking about darkness. You read what has not been written and failed to read what I wrote.
@ClandestineOstrich "Have you never had fear of oceans of fire? Then you have not tasted fire." That fire is you being anxious, because you are not what "universe" wants you to be. You read in the book that "universe" wants you to be an angel, and here you are, not a fucking angel, and you are all fucked up because of that. The only ocean for that fire is you. Just because your felt something doesn't mean it exists physically. "Hell" can only exist in the mind of self-condemned.
@ClandestineOstrich "Only the broken mind cannot be broken, only the broken mind knows (no) remorse." Only the unbreakable mind cannot be broken, broken mind can only be shattered into more pieces. It's logic, that's why we have these words, that's how we use them. And remorse is caused by doing something against or unlike your own nature. If you are not in tune with your nature... go fuck yourself, faggot. :)
Words represent ideas, not realities. The unbreakable mind is soft, and receives information. A hard mind knows everything, and accepts nothing. The first is the mind of man, the latter... that is the insect mind.
"Remorse is caused by doing someting against or unlike your own nature". I suppose so. But if your nature cannot change, you lose the ability to adapt to your surroundings.
Well, you just admitted that unbreakable mind exists, rightfully so. So, you were wrong in your initial statement that only broken mind can not be broken?
Also, you can't just sit down and change your DNA, it is way more powerful than any Bible or Koran. If people were able to change their nature, they would probably live forever, wouldn't they?
What is your question? Because your statements are really unclear and illogical imo, you start contradicting yourself.
Save the facepalm, I admitted the unbreakable mind can exist as an idea. I'm unclear and illogical, I'm sure, because I don't have any substantial ability to condense thought. A flaw of mine.
So nature is DNA? Now I understand more of what you are saying. But I have little knowledge of DNA. I don't have a question so much as I'm exploring the conjecture of an "unbreakable mind". I've changed my mind. Now I say only bodies break, and minds never do.
@ClandestineOstrich DNA is clearly a part of human nature. It is a part of nucleus in every cell of your body, that mostly serves as a "blueprint" for existence and multiplication of cells. At least that is how I understand it, I am a layman in the matters of biology, forgive me. My ORIGINAL point was that people who think that Fever Ray is "satanic" are brainwashed to perceive dark portions of human nature as unnatural and non-human - "demonic", something that is imposed on us by some "evil".
@ClandestineOstrich Now why would they necessarily do that? Why would they try to persuade us, that we are incorrect from the very conception? Because then they can offer us a "cure" from "disease", if we buy into their shit. That is why all religions are based on scaring people with "hell", repercussions for their actions. You get scared, as most people do, and you accept them as the delivery vessel of the cure. Now you are in their power, since you started playing by their rules.
@ClandestineOstrich This power, that the religion wields over the people, has brought down the Roman Empire. Vatican, in its influence, grew bigger than Rome and at a certain point didn't need the Empire anymore, since they found a way to impose their will on the barbarians outside the Empire. Of course it was more complicated than that, with two centers of religious power in the ancient Mediterranean, etc. I'm just trying to describe the roots of Christianity as an EXPANSIONIST religion.
Ah. Christianity cannot hold power over the primeval, but it can hold power over barbarians. Christianity, then, preaches we must act against nature. We develop structure to the point of crushing the human spirit in the name of servitude to structure, which advanced societies presently rely on. I have a better grip of understanding the feminine aspect of this song, thank you. The your idea of a primeval man is a bit far removed for me; I can't understand how slavery can be removed.
@ClandestineOstrich Well, barbarians is just a xenophobic greco-roman term for foreigners. Not all barbarians were fucking cavemen, and some of them, like Attila the Hun, saw the possibility to hold on to their power without the need of proving themselves by force.
@ClandestineOstrich Christianity does not preach that we must act against nature as a whole, it preaches that only the "passive" side of our nature is actually ours, and the "aggressive" is from "satan", therefore establishing the concept of SIN. To have sex with many women and feel like an alpha-male is a sin, to kill an oppressive King is a sin. People actually BELIEVED that, they believed that "universe" will destroy them if they hurt the man who is in charge.
@ClandestineOstrich That is my concept of "religious slavery". Because while all that brainwashing goes on, Church (a bunch of other people, essentially) seizes all power, since it speaks for the "universe". It is an ultimate judge now, and people appointed by it (in the Christendom), meaning Kings, are not to be touched, since it is a sin and you will be damned into the abyss of fire. That is my concept of Christian slavery, Islam works pretty much the same way.
@ClandestineOstrich now why would "primeval" laugh off medieval concepts? Why can't "primeval" be made into a "religious slave"? Because "primeval" can't be SCARED into "hell". Why do I need liberation if I am already free? That was my original point. Brainwashed little religious teenagers see this and think that this is "Satanic", because it's dark and scary and weird. And then they blame war on the devil, while making donations to their priests. There is a huge disconnect with Life there.
@Valholm If primitive man is not susceptible to fear-mongering, how did it happen in the first place? You are idolizing a "natural state" of man as if it actually exists different from how you are now; you are reifying this concept of "primeval man" as if it's something that can be "achieved" through "enlightenment" or "liberation." These are all concepts that we create in our heads as a means of pleasing ourselves into thinking that there's a way out of how we're living right now.
@Valholm If anything, the constant development of information systems will, like you mentioned, free people from these archaic psychological control systems. Yes, military might is dead; yes, religious control will finally probably wear out; and in its stead, some new unseen control system will arise in their place. Any one source of information--a man, a webpage, a piece of paper-- that is widely disseminated among many, ends up shaping the minds of those who receive the information.
@ClandestineOstrich I mean, this is not in any case scientific, and I am open for the discussion. This is just my thoughts, I was in a good mood, I wrote a fucking essay on youtube.
@ClandestineOstrich now I don't think that Christians are bad people and I have, in fact, lots of Christian friends. First of all Christianity is not a huge monster that it used to be back in the days. Second, I just wanna see how people play this out, I believe that "aggressive atheism" is counterproductive. The amount of the free flow of information in our age should serve as a vessel towards intellectual freedom. I believe people will evolve out of oppressive ideologies, including religions.
I agree, but I was coincidentally considering the necessity for ethics and rote acceptance. Still any ideology that crosses the line into becoming oppressive, well, the effect is difficult on a person, and evokes the same aggressive primivitism ideology uses to oppress. And certainly not a holistic primivitism. Ah, now I see! Another shade in the spectrum of religious history.
You see, this is where the religions that stemmed from Abraham differ from the other religions. I'm not saying "it's because they're right when all the others are crazy" but because the Abrahamic faiths (to include Islam is like including Quorn as a form of meat) are based on a relationship with God. To deny the existence of God merely because an atheist doesn't understand the relationship is like denying I have a father, just because the person has not met my father. You see?
@Arachnalicious Your comparison of God to your father, in terms of how atheists are supposed to perceive the reality of the two phenomenons, shows how low your level of logic is. You don't really have it. For God's fucking sake, you don't even understand how to prove a point and what leads to what. Arguing with you would be like arguing with a wall. I'm cool, sir, you can go talk about religion with someone else, I'm not going to participate in this circle jerk, you fucking moron.
@Arachnalicious Metaphors don't go over my head. In fact, I'm so good at them, that I can see that your comparison of God to your biological Father is incorrect and ridiculous. Your comparison doesn't work to prove your own point, it is not completely logical. I'm not saying I disagree with you on existence of God, I am agnostic after all. I'm just saying you are an idiot. And your response to me, blaming the education system of my country, just proves that point even further.
@joeypauly1 are you referring to "aggressive atheism"? I am not an atheist per se, but I am convinced that the Abrahamic CONCEPT of God (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.) is pretty much ridiculous. Doesn't mean that God Himself cannot exist.
@Valholm Well...you said were not going to argue with a wall, but it seems like you were doing just that:) I think we miss the mark when we interpret religion literally. It is another kind of language.
@joeypauly1 Yeah, I did. Oh well, I guess I just had some free time on my hands.
You can interpret religion any way you want, problem is that won't stop millions of cruel, violent, disturbed and dumb motherfuckers from interpreting it literally.
Over the last month I have changed my opinion on "aggressive atheism". I believe it is important for all the voices to be heard by everyone, and if you are wise enough to not speak at all, you are still morally obliged to speak at least about that.
@Arachnalicious But we have solid proof that every child needs a father to be born based on biological facts. I am not an atheist but i do see why an atheist might think God doesn't exist. So far God cannot be proven or dis-proven with solid facts or reasoning. An atheist is just a person that just decided take the side that God doesn't exist..
Classical matrix here, this recommended by an aqcuaintance. Checking it out, what first struck me is how beautiful, and beautifully done, the whole thing is. Super musicality. Hats off to Fever Ray / Ms. Andersson. You're gooood.
great music I heard about you thru the movie Red riding hood and also somewhere else recently too, I thought it sounded very Native American Indian (not that I would know because I am Australian) so when I was recently reading alot obout NAI's I listened to your music in the background :) It's also nice and soothing too.
@hustlin93hustlin The voice is synthesised. There is no such music as 'devil music'. Music is by nature creative and constructed. Satan never creates or constructs, only destroys. Hence his original name Belzeboul, 'the tempter'. He leads only away from truth and light. Sorry hustlin but if this seems 'develish' [sic] to you, then you need to read your Bible more and stop listening to folklore styled superstition borne from misunderstanding God and the Devil.
@Arachnalicious : Beelzeboul was the name of a pre Christian Philistine god whose name meant "lord of heaven". The early writers of the Bible (in order to demonize rival religion) dubbed him Lord of The Files (Beelzebub). There is no devil, just a long history of systematic demonization of rival deities and religions.
@Nagneto Actually the name in Hebrew meant Lord of the Flies. In Judaism, any other gods would have, by default, represented the presence of that whom they more regularly call "The Tempter".
@Arachnalicious Hahahahah what? God doesnot exist fucking asshole read a little omg this world is gonna be destroyed for stupid people i just want to run with my hippie friends omg LOL
@TatianaBazan Okay so besides the fact you're a complete fucking delinquent (evidenced in your grasp of English) I am talking about the theological reasoning, not my beliefs.
@Arachnalicious Delinquent?¿ I am from spain and I don't know so much english but, can you say yo me something in english? No? So STFU I'm not a delinquent I am a very small girl ;D BYEBYE
Am i the only one to notice the similarity of this song to deeper kind of slumber of tiamat? generally their music is definitely kind of similar i thought it was tiamat when i heard dry and dusty for the first time.
Karin did a interview once where she said she did these songs during her having not enough sleep due to a 8 month old baby she had :). so i guess between sleep and awake is where the mind does the best, for her anyway. keep making music Karin, i will forever be your listener.
I can only imagine. I'm pretending to work selling electronic cigarettes right now.. listening to this amazing music for the first time. I am quite excited about going home to fire one up with the lights out and let this sublime droning destroy my consciousness.
@Taunt61 You're a prat. Many good musicians and bands are christians. How about Bob Dylan? Call Bob Dylan a bad musician and your opinion is actually worthless. That's not even my opinion, that's just plain out fact.
@Arachnalicious thats why i never discuss anything with christians or similar people. they think their opinions are facts. just plain sad. bob dylan can suck my cock for all i care, i don't like him, though i'd never say he is a bad musician. different people have different tastes.
@Taunt61 by 'satanic' you mean 'natural' and 'ancestral', i hope... But by using the word 'satan' you actually acknowledge the power of christianity... Let's not do that.
@Mumrikken7 by satanic i mean soulful, free, and creative. i mean the tarot card "the devil" as interpreted by crowley if you can relate to that. throughout the ages satan or deals with satan has been associated with talent in music, arts and literature, while god's domain has been modesty and the virtue of going about your work instead of wasting time with hedonistic stuff. it's more of a sociologic phenomenon than a religious one. so yep, the patron god of music is satan:)
@Mumrikken7 like i said, its not about religion or christianity, but about how people see the world. the principle of satan always existed in some form or another: pan, dionysos, set... in every culture there has been a deity representing pleasure, free will, free knowledge, individuality. it happens to have the name "satan" in judeo-christianity.
@hustlin93hustlin And don't get me wrong; none of that was said to hurt your feelings or anything (though, re-reading my last comment, it sounds a little harsher than I intended). I know you simply asked a question. But my favorite music is sort of the darker and alternative kind, and it's always a little frustrating when people think it might be Satanic when it clearly isn't (it happens more often than you might think. lol).
@hustlin93hustlin Well, alright, but by you asking that question, it shows you thought there was a POSSIBILITY of Fever Ray being Satanic... just because of how this song sounds (spooky/alternative). And if you actually bothered to research Satanism or Fever Ray, then you'd know what Satanism actually is and that Fever Ray's music has absolutely nothing to do with it. I mean, why embarrass yourself by asking silly questions on Youtube instead of doing the quick, easy research yourself? o_O
Not true. Satanism is a philosophy: be your own God. Satan wanted to be the centre, and Satanism is all about the self. If you know anything about the causes of the origins and concepts of Satanism, it has everything to do with Satan. It's the core concept of the Self. It's not as Satan-y as Satan worship (equally as dumb) but it is still very much connected.
Such an interesting song!!! Inspiring... :) Thank you for posting .
Blackbullet0666 22 hours ago
best ever heard.
fostimandzsi 2 days ago
what is this song about?
brucelee7150 6 days ago
What on earth is the point trying to win an argument on youtube. Just listen to the fucking music.
JayFreezy86 1 week ago
i love when they make the creepy slow mo voice effect int heir songs
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if you're feeling a bit too optimistic about humanity, take a trip down to youtube and read the comments on any video! It will quickly become apparent what selfish, arrogant, righteous crawling animals we are behind the pathetic masks of "intelligence."
We are all animals. We bleed animal blood, fools.
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Muhammad FUCKED alah. fuck religion you terrorist worshipping freaks of nature lol
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@mrhanover What has that got to do with the song?
aionline 2 weeks ago 3
@mrhanover Shut the FUCK UP! Listen to the fucking song or leave. Your words are putrid filth that destroys the mood!
noirtriptyline 1 week ago
does this music has an official video? if not, it should!
argamenom 2 weeks ago
Why haven't i bought the Fever Ray album yet that encompasses this song?! how illogical of me :(
blade004 3 weeks ago
thats scary :s
xXxPCDDOLLxXx 4 weeks ago
@xXxPCDDOLLxXx yes it is but for some reason I like this song =_=
Thespiriticlan 4 weeks ago
Its about post natal depression - being trapped inside the house with a child that wont stop crying. The 'was' so warm line'is a possible indication that the child isn't any more - creepy. It is also about alienation and the need to drown out reality with tv etc.
arizonabay6 4 weeks ago
I wish this song had a video! My fav song from this album!!! Fever Ray is the mother of Monster Lady Gaga when it comes to style and music!!!
dark4krad 1 month ago
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who dat who dat who dat? i dunno dunno dunno dunno dunno that name. No, I dunno dunno dunno dunno. nonononononononnono...
AngeloNiklis 1 week ago
It makes me sad no one shuts their mouths and listens to the music anymore.
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Hail satan
bobbybrucher 1 month ago
@justine313 yes, that's exactly what I had interpret. Also when they sing "When I took her up she was so warm," sounds a little asif heat scares us people in our modern life. 'cause we are already used to cold, structured life that capture's all our individuality and steals away our creativity...
LexyLuvatic 1 month ago
@dmonberry music is a very sexual way of expression. and so is religion. i for example, listen to what i consider beautiful - and guess what - beauty is also connected to lust. we are animals whether we like it or not.
Mumrikken7 1 month ago
oops I meant zero 7's ''ghost symbol''
thezec 1 month ago
woah, anyone else reminded of zero 7's ''yeah ghost''?
trippy
thezec 1 month ago
Gotta love her vocals :)
TraitorIlKor 1 month ago
God is dead (or smells dead funny), love was never alive, but there are lots of walls everywhere, and the concrete ones are the least metaphorical and insidious. So why not sing about it.
OldPazuzu 2 months ago
zh1nt0, what the fuck is this, man?
silyanina 2 months ago
the synth on this remind me of MU ZIQ .... very nice : )
MrCraigmeister 2 months ago
sooo gooood
BOCAJ760 2 months ago
It's always the Religious comments that are the most irate & malevolent!
Religion only ever tried to give man a moral compass, & only man could somehow turn something that meant well, into the complete opposite.
A clear sign as to how primitive we still are.
therealKINDLE 2 months ago
@Opethns How would we know what love is if we didn't know what the other side of life is? Love is when you forgive yourself for all the wrong you have done and move forward doing what you know is right.
justine313 2 months ago
I think this song is a wonderful example of how it feels sometimes to be a new mother. The warmth, the love......the isolation, the feelings of possible insanity, the loneliness.....the lack of sleep....the fear.
helloimlulu 2 months ago
The song's about killing babies btw.
lukeisareilly 2 months ago
like this for no reason
patrickchidgey1 2 months ago
Satanic? Definitely not. I think the song actually has a very positive spiritual feeling to it.
MonsieurRondu 2 months ago
Is there any proof of her being wiccan or pagon?
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Oh, the concrete walls of the society we live, oh
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hlly23ify 2 months ago
I listen to this song when i read Naruto :D
08PoisonGirl 2 months ago
This track is deep. We live in a world of duality and to me, this song represents the darker side of our existence. We are beautiful creators of love, yet we lock ourselves in concrete walls and watchTV just to block out the truth. If we learn to embrace the darker side instead of fearing it, we can move beyond it grasp into a greater reality. Good job on capturing this feeling of being trapped in the darkness of our walls.
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@justine313 We are not beautiful creators of love, we steal , kill each other , animals and destroying nature. Where is love there ?
Opethns 2 months ago
@justine313 We fear the pathological, to be excluded from the normative world. The dark, the sad, the perverse, the vulnerable, all are to be kept within concrete walls, hidden from the norms by which we judge others. The world we see everyday is a censured one, a selection of appearances. It is the sum of everyones' attempt to please others.
00oww 1 month ago 3
@00oww agreed... exactly the words i say to the ignorant people who dont understand.
ajhernandez1728 1 week ago
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Duality? more like shades of grey.
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this is no more satanic than a toaster...
bamblek 2 months ago
to be correct, Karin uses Pitch shifting to make the music more haunting, or dark. i love it. She also used it in the Knife a lot as well. would love to meet her in person. She is such an artist.
c0rrupts3ct0r555 2 months ago
This is soooo not satanic, I can't believe people will cast any song that has deep vocals into the pile of satanic. How sick.
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pontus515 2 months ago
@dmonberry spot on, mate.
well we all have been socially engineered for centuries by the Christianity to reject a certain part of our nature. There are no evil angels with fire swords who drag people into an ocean of fire, just like there is no Santa Claus. There is a primeval man, though. The man who is not afraid of the darkness, because he knows himself, the man who can kill and love without remorse, because he knows nature. Exactly that kind of man cannot be made a slave. Good morning.
Valholm 2 months ago
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Would the primeval man not be afraid of the darkness? I disagree very much.
The primeval man does not know nature any more than he knows himself - he is nature, he is not apart from it, there is little to see. Perhaps this is enough.
But he is certainly afraid. Any mortal has and will always be so. Only Santa Claus is afraid of nothing. Have you never had fear of oceans of fire? Then you have not tasted fire. Only the broken mind cannot be broken, only the broken mind knows remorse.
ClandestineOstrich 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich If you are afraid of bears and wolves in the dark - you are not afraid of the dark, you are afraid of bears and wolves. If you get up to piss at night, in your suburban condo, and while you walk to your pisser you get an eerie feeling and have to turn on the light - you are afraid of the dark, you are afraid of your own fears. I never said primeval man wasn't afraid of anything, I was talking about darkness. You read what has not been written and failed to read what I wrote.
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich "Have you never had fear of oceans of fire? Then you have not tasted fire." That fire is you being anxious, because you are not what "universe" wants you to be. You read in the book that "universe" wants you to be an angel, and here you are, not a fucking angel, and you are all fucked up because of that. The only ocean for that fire is you. Just because your felt something doesn't mean it exists physically. "Hell" can only exist in the mind of self-condemned.
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich "Only the broken mind cannot be broken, only the broken mind knows (no) remorse." Only the unbreakable mind cannot be broken, broken mind can only be shattered into more pieces. It's logic, that's why we have these words, that's how we use them. And remorse is caused by doing something against or unlike your own nature. If you are not in tune with your nature... go fuck yourself, faggot. :)
Valholm 2 months ago
@Valholm
Words represent ideas, not realities. The unbreakable mind is soft, and receives information. A hard mind knows everything, and accepts nothing. The first is the mind of man, the latter... that is the insect mind.
"Remorse is caused by doing someting against or unlike your own nature". I suppose so. But if your nature cannot change, you lose the ability to adapt to your surroundings.
ClandestineOstrich 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich /facepalm
Well, you just admitted that unbreakable mind exists, rightfully so. So, you were wrong in your initial statement that only broken mind can not be broken?
Also, you can't just sit down and change your DNA, it is way more powerful than any Bible or Koran. If people were able to change their nature, they would probably live forever, wouldn't they?
What is your question? Because your statements are really unclear and illogical imo, you start contradicting yourself.
Valholm 2 months ago
@Valholm
Save the facepalm, I admitted the unbreakable mind can exist as an idea. I'm unclear and illogical, I'm sure, because I don't have any substantial ability to condense thought. A flaw of mine.
So nature is DNA? Now I understand more of what you are saying. But I have little knowledge of DNA. I don't have a question so much as I'm exploring the conjecture of an "unbreakable mind". I've changed my mind. Now I say only bodies break, and minds never do.
I'm exploring your thoughts.
ClandestineOstrich 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich DNA is clearly a part of human nature. It is a part of nucleus in every cell of your body, that mostly serves as a "blueprint" for existence and multiplication of cells. At least that is how I understand it, I am a layman in the matters of biology, forgive me. My ORIGINAL point was that people who think that Fever Ray is "satanic" are brainwashed to perceive dark portions of human nature as unnatural and non-human - "demonic", something that is imposed on us by some "evil".
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich Now why would they necessarily do that? Why would they try to persuade us, that we are incorrect from the very conception? Because then they can offer us a "cure" from "disease", if we buy into their shit. That is why all religions are based on scaring people with "hell", repercussions for their actions. You get scared, as most people do, and you accept them as the delivery vessel of the cure. Now you are in their power, since you started playing by their rules.
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich This power, that the religion wields over the people, has brought down the Roman Empire. Vatican, in its influence, grew bigger than Rome and at a certain point didn't need the Empire anymore, since they found a way to impose their will on the barbarians outside the Empire. Of course it was more complicated than that, with two centers of religious power in the ancient Mediterranean, etc. I'm just trying to describe the roots of Christianity as an EXPANSIONIST religion.
Valholm 2 months ago
@Valholm
Ah. Christianity cannot hold power over the primeval, but it can hold power over barbarians. Christianity, then, preaches we must act against nature. We develop structure to the point of crushing the human spirit in the name of servitude to structure, which advanced societies presently rely on. I have a better grip of understanding the feminine aspect of this song, thank you. The your idea of a primeval man is a bit far removed for me; I can't understand how slavery can be removed.
ClandestineOstrich 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich Well, barbarians is just a xenophobic greco-roman term for foreigners. Not all barbarians were fucking cavemen, and some of them, like Attila the Hun, saw the possibility to hold on to their power without the need of proving themselves by force.
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich Christianity does not preach that we must act against nature as a whole, it preaches that only the "passive" side of our nature is actually ours, and the "aggressive" is from "satan", therefore establishing the concept of SIN. To have sex with many women and feel like an alpha-male is a sin, to kill an oppressive King is a sin. People actually BELIEVED that, they believed that "universe" will destroy them if they hurt the man who is in charge.
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich That is my concept of "religious slavery". Because while all that brainwashing goes on, Church (a bunch of other people, essentially) seizes all power, since it speaks for the "universe". It is an ultimate judge now, and people appointed by it (in the Christendom), meaning Kings, are not to be touched, since it is a sin and you will be damned into the abyss of fire. That is my concept of Christian slavery, Islam works pretty much the same way.
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich now why would "primeval" laugh off medieval concepts? Why can't "primeval" be made into a "religious slave"? Because "primeval" can't be SCARED into "hell". Why do I need liberation if I am already free? That was my original point. Brainwashed little religious teenagers see this and think that this is "Satanic", because it's dark and scary and weird. And then they blame war on the devil, while making donations to their priests. There is a huge disconnect with Life there.
Valholm 2 months ago
@Valholm If primitive man is not susceptible to fear-mongering, how did it happen in the first place? You are idolizing a "natural state" of man as if it actually exists different from how you are now; you are reifying this concept of "primeval man" as if it's something that can be "achieved" through "enlightenment" or "liberation." These are all concepts that we create in our heads as a means of pleasing ourselves into thinking that there's a way out of how we're living right now.
Midgar21 1 month ago
@Valholm If anything, the constant development of information systems will, like you mentioned, free people from these archaic psychological control systems. Yes, military might is dead; yes, religious control will finally probably wear out; and in its stead, some new unseen control system will arise in their place. Any one source of information--a man, a webpage, a piece of paper-- that is widely disseminated among many, ends up shaping the minds of those who receive the information.
Midgar21 1 month ago
@ClandestineOstrich I mean, this is not in any case scientific, and I am open for the discussion. This is just my thoughts, I was in a good mood, I wrote a fucking essay on youtube.
Valholm 2 months ago
@ClandestineOstrich now I don't think that Christians are bad people and I have, in fact, lots of Christian friends. First of all Christianity is not a huge monster that it used to be back in the days. Second, I just wanna see how people play this out, I believe that "aggressive atheism" is counterproductive. The amount of the free flow of information in our age should serve as a vessel towards intellectual freedom. I believe people will evolve out of oppressive ideologies, including religions.
Valholm 2 months ago
@Valholm
I agree, but I was coincidentally considering the necessity for ethics and rote acceptance. Still any ideology that crosses the line into becoming oppressive, well, the effect is difficult on a person, and evokes the same aggressive primivitism ideology uses to oppress. And certainly not a holistic primivitism. Ah, now I see! Another shade in the spectrum of religious history.
ClandestineOstrich 2 months ago
@Valholm
You see, this is where the religions that stemmed from Abraham differ from the other religions. I'm not saying "it's because they're right when all the others are crazy" but because the Abrahamic faiths (to include Islam is like including Quorn as a form of meat) are based on a relationship with God. To deny the existence of God merely because an atheist doesn't understand the relationship is like denying I have a father, just because the person has not met my father. You see?
Arachnalicious 2 months ago
@Arachnalicious Your comparison of God to your father, in terms of how atheists are supposed to perceive the reality of the two phenomenons, shows how low your level of logic is. You don't really have it. For God's fucking sake, you don't even understand how to prove a point and what leads to what. Arguing with you would be like arguing with a wall. I'm cool, sir, you can go talk about religion with someone else, I'm not going to participate in this circle jerk, you fucking moron.
Valholm 2 months ago 15
@Valholm Obviously metaphors go over your head. I apologise on behalf of the education system of your country.
Arachnalicious 2 months ago
@Arachnalicious Metaphors don't go over my head. In fact, I'm so good at them, that I can see that your comparison of God to your biological Father is incorrect and ridiculous. Your comparison doesn't work to prove your own point, it is not completely logical. I'm not saying I disagree with you on existence of God, I am agnostic after all. I'm just saying you are an idiot. And your response to me, blaming the education system of my country, just proves that point even further.
Valholm 2 months ago
@Valholm You just did exactly what you say you are not going to do. Weird.
joeypauly1 1 month ago
@joeypauly1 are you referring to "aggressive atheism"? I am not an atheist per se, but I am convinced that the Abrahamic CONCEPT of God (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.) is pretty much ridiculous. Doesn't mean that God Himself cannot exist.
Or were you referring to something else?
Valholm 1 month ago
@Valholm Well...you said were not going to argue with a wall, but it seems like you were doing just that:) I think we miss the mark when we interpret religion literally. It is another kind of language.
joeypauly1 1 month ago
@joeypauly1 Yeah, I did. Oh well, I guess I just had some free time on my hands.
You can interpret religion any way you want, problem is that won't stop millions of cruel, violent, disturbed and dumb motherfuckers from interpreting it literally.
Over the last month I have changed my opinion on "aggressive atheism". I believe it is important for all the voices to be heard by everyone, and if you are wise enough to not speak at all, you are still morally obliged to speak at least about that.
Valholm 1 month ago
@Valholm Yeah hes a little loopy.
jefflegos 1 month ago
@Arachnalicious But we have solid proof that every child needs a father to be born based on biological facts. I am not an atheist but i do see why an atheist might think God doesn't exist. So far God cannot be proven or dis-proven with solid facts or reasoning. An atheist is just a person that just decided take the side that God doesn't exist..
gregzythatsme 2 months ago
@gregzythatsme Well, actually........ Parthenogenesis. Just sayin'.
TodKriegsohn 2 months ago
@TodKriegsohn I was speaking in terms of human beings sorry
gregzythatsme 2 months ago
@gregzythatsme So was I.
TodKriegsohn 2 months ago
@TodKriegsohn Not if the child is to be born male. Parthonegenesis only works for females. So not EVERY child :)
Arachnalicious 2 months ago
@gregzythatsme I know... Proof is relative.
Arachnalicious 2 months ago
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kaari1 2 months ago
my ears are having 50 orgasms right now so gooooood XD
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paetvm 3 months ago
Classical matrix here, this recommended by an aqcuaintance. Checking it out, what first struck me is how beautiful, and beautifully done, the whole thing is. Super musicality. Hats off to Fever Ray / Ms. Andersson. You're gooood.
MuseDuCafe 3 months ago
Is the camera getting closer?
smithjm22 3 months ago
@smithjm22 yes
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ZachariahLogan 3 months ago
does she have concerts? i have to go to one if she ever does hold any
ishouldplayzelda 3 months ago
I wonder what kind of dreams you would have if you slept to this song...
edesia88 3 months ago
this is a awesome fucking song!!
TheRockinchk 3 months ago
/!\ Karin Dreijer the Goddes of NewAge Music!!!!
Terlaton 3 months ago
omfg this is creepy as fuck...i love it
falloutmopsi 3 months ago
brilliant
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hlly23ify 3 months ago
the swedes are hectic!
RomansSixFourteen 3 months ago
@dmonberry I think that is the first time I have ever been called 'sweety' haha. Thanks, I appreciate the points!
Arachnalicious 3 months ago
NICE; STRAGE AND, MY! Languageog Flash°° ... more of this!!!!!!
MrPoisionfrog 3 months ago
I feel dark through out the day listening to this. Brilliant and beautiful. Karin is a genius!!!!
xxdufffxx 3 months ago
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kubikutsu 3 months ago
great music I heard about you thru the movie Red riding hood and also somewhere else recently too, I thought it sounded very Native American Indian (not that I would know because I am Australian) so when I was recently reading alot obout NAI's I listened to your music in the background :) It's also nice and soothing too.
ShesThe1yup 3 months ago
HOW ABOUT YOU ALL STFU AND COMMENT ON THE MUSIC AND LEAVE YOUR RELIGION SHIT 2 URSELVES,FUCKING SHEEP BAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA I HOPE YOU ALL DIE!
thorazine666 4 months ago in playlist ELECTRONIC SHIT 3
@hustlin93hustlin The voice is synthesised. There is no such music as 'devil music'. Music is by nature creative and constructed. Satan never creates or constructs, only destroys. Hence his original name Belzeboul, 'the tempter'. He leads only away from truth and light. Sorry hustlin but if this seems 'develish' [sic] to you, then you need to read your Bible more and stop listening to folklore styled superstition borne from misunderstanding God and the Devil.
Arachnalicious 4 months ago 17
@Arachnalicious You, my good sir/madam are very intelligent.
xxInvisibleMoon 2 months ago
@xxInvisibleMoon Haha, thank you. I'm a sir :)
Arachnalicious 2 months ago
@Arachnalicious : Beelzeboul was the name of a pre Christian Philistine god whose name meant "lord of heaven". The early writers of the Bible (in order to demonize rival religion) dubbed him Lord of The Files (Beelzebub). There is no devil, just a long history of systematic demonization of rival deities and religions.
Nagneto 2 months ago
@Nagneto Actually the name in Hebrew meant Lord of the Flies. In Judaism, any other gods would have, by default, represented the presence of that whom they more regularly call "The Tempter".
Arachnalicious 2 months ago
@Arachnalicious Hahahahah what? God doesnot exist fucking asshole read a little omg this world is gonna be destroyed for stupid people i just want to run with my hippie friends omg LOL
TatianaBazan 2 months ago
@TatianaBazan Okay so besides the fact you're a complete fucking delinquent (evidenced in your grasp of English) I am talking about the theological reasoning, not my beliefs.
Arachnalicious 2 months ago
@Arachnalicious Delinquent?¿ I am from spain and I don't know so much english but, can you say yo me something in english? No? So STFU I'm not a delinquent I am a very small girl ;D BYEBYE
TatianaBazan 2 months ago
@hustlin93hustlin Dumbass.
bonjourgarrett 4 months ago
i love her ~!!!!
TheLittleMonsterX3 4 months ago
Oh wow...
OrangeGraffiti 4 months ago
wow, I found this song by randomly clicking through utube, this is so amazing oO well, new music found, this will be a great day :D
nauthic3p0 4 months ago in playlist wolf
I love this song soooo much<3 It's very dark and i like that!
rocktothebone91 4 months ago
Not as good as there Knife stuff but it's supposed to be a different group with a different vibe.
losepocket 4 months ago
@losepocket in your humble opinion, I assume.
Arachnalicious 4 months ago
@westgoten lol hell yeah :)
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holly23ify 4 months ago
On se perd, on ne sait où. Avec cette chanson..
Une merveille.
Nc0smetics 4 months ago 2
Who needs drugs when you got this...
westgoten 4 months ago 44
@westgoten Then you hasn´t try´d the good shit! lol
antonioelingles 3 months ago
@antonioelingles This shit is good enough, :)
westgoten 3 months ago
@westgoten I do
Merluzz 3 months ago
Fuck me, I can't listen to this shit.
DaftOtaku1 5 months ago
@DaftOtaku1
well you know what?
that's okay!
BabyGirlGoddess 4 months ago
is the scary voice necessary
Yojimbo1AK 5 months ago
@Yojimbo1AK In this case of course it is...
Uhanek 5 months ago
@Yojimbo1AK But yes
CatWalkingOnTwoLegs 4 months ago
Why have i only just discovered this group? What have I been listening to all this time? GAH!
LCMac3 5 months ago
58 people didnt live between concrete walls and weren't warm when they were picked up.
c0rrupts3ct0r555 5 months ago
Am i the only one to notice the similarity of this song to deeper kind of slumber of tiamat? generally their music is definitely kind of similar i thought it was tiamat when i heard dry and dusty for the first time.
Taunt61 5 months ago
@jessiesun1029 It makes me think of all the other amazing songs I haven't heard yet! What could I possible be missing out on??
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holly23ify 5 months ago
Karin did a interview once where she said she did these songs during her having not enough sleep due to a 8 month old baby she had :). so i guess between sleep and awake is where the mind does the best, for her anyway. keep making music Karin, i will forever be your listener.
c0rrupts3ct0r555 5 months ago
i think the pitch shifting of the voice, adds a darker meaning to the music. its so awesome!
c0rrupts3ct0r555 5 months ago
uwielbiam to *_* <3
Hitmen904 5 months ago
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TheFilipe80 5 months ago
Fever Ray, awesome as always, also check out the knife- great music.
c0rrupts3ct0r555 5 months ago
Fever Ray reminds of Metisse; They did the theme to Dead Like Me.
mridlon 5 months ago
@igotsomebreadbitch
I can only imagine. I'm pretending to work selling electronic cigarettes right now.. listening to this amazing music for the first time. I am quite excited about going home to fire one up with the lights out and let this sublime droning destroy my consciousness.
akiracebu 5 months ago 2
amazing quotes by people that love fever ray:
didn't see a silent crowd enjoy themselves so much..never
Druid Core
porno for blind people
hard to come by better admirers or fans
all I can say it's a musical love affair
gunsnbuddha1 5 months ago 11
I love Fever Ray/ The Knife!!!
Zorica12 5 months ago
yeah thanks i seen that one too xD. i just love the way her voice is mixed.
63B1stmaint 5 months ago
good music is satanic, as behind every good song there is soul. if you can't cope with it, don't listen go listen to christian rock or pop.
Taunt61 6 months ago
@Taunt61 You're a prat. Many good musicians and bands are christians. How about Bob Dylan? Call Bob Dylan a bad musician and your opinion is actually worthless. That's not even my opinion, that's just plain out fact.
Arachnalicious 4 months ago
@Arachnalicious thats why i never discuss anything with christians or similar people. they think their opinions are facts. just plain sad. bob dylan can suck my cock for all i care, i don't like him, though i'd never say he is a bad musician. different people have different tastes.
Taunt61 4 months ago 3
@Arachnalicious people are branded christians without realising it. its called slavery.
Mumrikken7 1 month ago
@Taunt61 by 'satanic' you mean 'natural' and 'ancestral', i hope... But by using the word 'satan' you actually acknowledge the power of christianity... Let's not do that.
Mumrikken7 1 month ago 2
@Mumrikken7 by satanic i mean soulful, free, and creative. i mean the tarot card "the devil" as interpreted by crowley if you can relate to that. throughout the ages satan or deals with satan has been associated with talent in music, arts and literature, while god's domain has been modesty and the virtue of going about your work instead of wasting time with hedonistic stuff. it's more of a sociologic phenomenon than a religious one. so yep, the patron god of music is satan:)
Taunt61 1 month ago
@Mumrikken7 like i said, its not about religion or christianity, but about how people see the world. the principle of satan always existed in some form or another: pan, dionysos, set... in every culture there has been a deity representing pleasure, free will, free knowledge, individuality. it happens to have the name "satan" in judeo-christianity.
Taunt61 1 month ago
me too. I love the pic, especially the song seven i found by accident lol
mermaidflash 6 months ago
me too. I love the pic
mermaidflash 6 months ago
love the pic i wish i could find it :(
63B1stmaint 6 months ago
@63B1stmaint It's taken from the video of If I Had a Heart.
carjan91 6 months ago
this music is very good I'm a fan of fever ray
joserammstein1 6 months ago
nothing like a fat bowl and some concrete walls... soooo relaxing.
igotsomebreadbitch 6 months ago
@hustlin93hustlin And don't get me wrong; none of that was said to hurt your feelings or anything (though, re-reading my last comment, it sounds a little harsher than I intended). I know you simply asked a question. But my favorite music is sort of the darker and alternative kind, and it's always a little frustrating when people think it might be Satanic when it clearly isn't (it happens more often than you might think. lol).
XxSeekerOfTheLostxX 6 months ago
@hustlin93hustlin Well, alright, but by you asking that question, it shows you thought there was a POSSIBILITY of Fever Ray being Satanic... just because of how this song sounds (spooky/alternative). And if you actually bothered to research Satanism or Fever Ray, then you'd know what Satanism actually is and that Fever Ray's music has absolutely nothing to do with it. I mean, why embarrass yourself by asking silly questions on Youtube instead of doing the quick, easy research yourself? o_O
XxSeekerOfTheLostxX 6 months ago
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XxSeekerOfTheLostxX 6 months ago
@hustlin93hustlin Wait, so if something sounds a bit spooky/haunting/alternative, it's automatically... Satanic? o_O Just... wow. >_<
XxSeekerOfTheLostxX 6 months ago
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XxSeekerOfTheLostxX 6 months ago
rather amazing (Y)
torbonator 6 months ago
internal peace ^_^
MrGamernerd45 6 months ago
@hustlin93hustlin Just an fyi: modern satanism has nothing to do with satan aside from the name.
The more you know!
DoctorNuriel 6 months ago 4
@DoctorNuriel
Not true. Satanism is a philosophy: be your own God. Satan wanted to be the centre, and Satanism is all about the self. If you know anything about the causes of the origins and concepts of Satanism, it has everything to do with Satan. It's the core concept of the Self. It's not as Satan-y as Satan worship (equally as dumb) but it is still very much connected.
Arachnalicious 4 months ago 2
@Arachnalicious cocks
DoctorNuriel 4 months ago
@Arachnalicious any form of satanic worship is wrong.
immydadsson13 4 months ago
@hustlin93hustlin lolwut
Apparently you don't even know what Satanism is hahahaha.
DoctorNuriel 6 months ago
@hustlin93hustlin You must be from the south
Noexcusesays 6 months ago 11
@Noexcusesays
Hey! I am from The South and I am LOVING Fever Ray. Don't diss us all,lol.
NicolaWriter 4 months ago
@Liniilulu SORRY EVERYONE FOR MY BIGGOTED COUNTRY-MIDDLE-CLASS-SCHOOL-GIRLS THIS MUSIC IS INCREDIBLE PEACE
Gilmourisgreat 6 months ago