uhh its not fake and gay., he clearly admitted it was planned., and rambling about the people with all the money it being their thing., thanks., i hope he gets drug into court one day to testify
Guy seems bit confused about everything,not the most reliable witness.seems distance from where he said he got hit by pole to where photos are is not much further down the road.Is conceivable that the shock of having a plane fly over and a pole hit your car could leave you drifting,especially as slamming breaks could cause even more collisions.where is everyone who saw conspirators dislodge a pole and "stage" it onto his car? would have thought be few people around at that time of day.
It's amazing that when that light pole hit the car after being knocked over at 520mph by a 400 thousand pound jet, it didn't so much as dent or scratch the finish on either the hood or fender of the cab.This cab driver must possess super human strength to have been able to lift a 1000 pound light pole out of the windshield and lay it on the ground next to the car,and still without so much as scratching the hood or fender.I guess it just go's against the laws of physics,that's all.
Truthers are not morons or insane. It is a known fact the NSA created a propoganda team of 2000 paid persons, post 911, who roam chat boards day and night trying to debunk everything truthers post. A higher level anti - truther team carefully follows all that is written in the media that veers off the official gov line. Writers and editors know that to veer off the gov fed story , means a lifetime employment ban in their industry, same for the holohoax.
@390bullitt1968 You don't know human nature very well. 2000 paid persons? If they took money to do this then they would have also taken money to "tell the truth". People can't keep their mouths shut that well. "Truthers are not morons or insane". Hmmm. Why to these "truther" clips keep playing the same sound byte over and over and over like a bad rap song?
Lyoyde England seems to be a frightened old man (possibly suffering from the onset of dementia) who doesn't want to be badgered and harrassed by this young "truther". He didn't confess to anything here. He's confused and he wants to be left alone. You "truthers" are so gullible taking this confused man at his word and using HIM as part of your agenda and then libelling and slandering him the way you are. Pathetic.
Where are the witnesses to the staging of this event? The staging would have to have taken place in mere moments. Where are the witnesses who saw a missile launch or a missile flight? The driver did not "confess;" he seems like a confused, slightly dense man making conjectures. I'm not saying the videographer is incorrect; this is just an extraordinary claim, and it therefore requires extraordinary DIRECT evidence, not conjectures, not anecdotes.
Someone needs to beat the truth out of this old motherfucker....he is going against solid evidence man...People like this might as well be helping out the terrorists.
Did you know that there was a tourist from Japan that caught on video a glimpse of a cruise missile striking the Pentagon? There was also a some tourist from Morroco that snapped a picture of a cruise missile as it flew by him. he was not less than 3 miles from the Pentagon. There were at least 300,000 other people within a 5 mile radius that fateful day that witnessed a cruise missile flying overhead. The Gubmint knew ahead of time that they were all there. shhh, They've all been silenced.
@Hairlficksmodelphoto In case you didn't know, I was poking fun at twoofers. But thanks for proving my point. A cruise missile traveling in excess of mach 2 would've not been caught AT ALL on the surveillance camera at the Pentagon.. Would've penetrated deep within the blg. before exploding and would not have caused a 140ft wide swath of damage on the lower exterior wall. The fireball on the exterior is indicitive of a fuel ignited explosion, Not of a heavy charge from high explosives.
@jasmin5592 There is by far, enough photographic evidence to support the obvious. A 757 did crash into the Pentagon. Why would anyone believe it was a cruise missile. You think the "sinister gubmint" would risk someone eyewitnessing or getting video evidence of a cruise missile? When they could simply send a plane disguised as flight77. (I don't believe that of course) But I'm sure they could get a hold of one and paint it in AA colors if they wanted to. Christ, give em SOME credit.
This country's government has done some fucked up shit. Do I believe they wouldn't hurt civilians to further their own aims? No, I'm not stupid. Nor am I naive enough to think our best interests come first. So you call this evidence of a 757 hitting the pentagon. But why lie? If the official report says a hijacked plane hit the building, then why distort the truth at all? Why keep the footage of flight 77 hidden at all? If it's the truth just show us.
@jasmin5592 "Why keep the footage of flight 77 hidden at all? If it's the truth just show us."
They have shown us...Plenty. Dontcha think If they wanted to, they could've withheld all photo's and the lone video and just stated "Due to National Security...." Or simply stated "We have no footage. Go fuck yourselves."
Plus, do you think they really want EVERYONE to KNOW WHERE their security camera's are? It's suppose to be "The Most Secured Federal Building."
Come to think of it, what "evidence" has you absolutely convinced? Videos and pictures of an impacted building that in no way matches the size of a large commercial airliner?You must've seen a building burning and heard someone say "plane" and just went with it. True evidence should be consistent. It shouldn't covered up or manipulated at all. There should be no stretch of the imagination about a disintegrating plane. So again if they're telling the truth, then why did they lie?
@jasmin5592 "pictures of an impacted building that in no way matches the size of a large commercial airliner?"
WRONG!! There are photos of wing damage to the outer wall 140+ feet across. Cruise missiles on average are only 20 feet long 2ft in diameter with a 6ft wingspan. They penetrate deep within the target before igniting and don't explode on the outer wall such as was shown on the Pentagon's surveillance camera. The explosion and subsequent debris are indicative of a plane crash.
I also happen to believe that the various governments supposedly in on the "inside jobs" are involved in COUNTLESS atrocities of far more terrible scales than the 9/11 attacks.
it is similar to how Truthers love to mention Op. Northwoods thinking that it's moderate resemblance to the plot they claim occurred on 9/11 will easily convince the unbelievers that the gov't is capable of that sort of evil and treachery.
the fact that Operation Northwoods is the most trivial of plots that the US ever hatched in relation to Cuba. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER MADE OPERATIONAL, while all matter of attacks were ACTUALLY launched against Cuba, resulting in THOUSANDS of deaths, including the Bay of Pigs attack which came before Northwoods. The US was trying to manipulate the WEATHER over Cuba, poisoned its livestock and used chem warfare on crops..what does it matter that they once 'considered' blowing up a dummy plane?
@ganubis - CIA operatives in Cuba would place nails in the roadway, so the milk trucks delivering milk to school kids would have flat tires and the milk would go bad. If that did not work, they would blow up the only
bridge or roadway. The dirty tricks to carry on low level warfare were never ending. Castro was a bad guy, but the folks who antagonized him were just as bad. Just as bad.
that I am an anarchist... not a right-winger defending the "war on terror" or the Bush Administration...
You see, contrary to what Truthers generally assume about those attacking 9/11 Truth, I am not 'debunking' out of a naive belief that "the government would never do that!" ....in fact, as one who despises government/military/police/state capitalism/nationalism/jingoism/war/imperialism ....I have every reason in the world to WANT TO BELIEVE in 9/11 Truth...
I asked a lot of questions, all of them in one very long thread, which made it easy to delete them all in one fell swoop. Not a single question was addressed or was an response even attempted. No, not for those claiming to be dedicated to 'challenging' and contrary notions...nope, it was DELETE + BAN as usual.
I could call you people "cowards", but I genuinely feel that I would rather HAVE THE DEBATE/DISCUSSION instead. I see that about TWENTY other people had their messages deleted below me
@ganubis The thing you have to remember is..the people leading the "Truth Movement" don't even believe their own ABSOLUTE SHIT that they are selling. It's just a fuckin SCAM to sell videos and T-shirts. If anyone would be here on YT trying to convince people to "BUY" into their conspiracy/paranoid world, it's Truther's. Funny how they call us non-truthers Gvt. Shills. When in reality, the gubmint wouldn't give 2 shits about what people think here on YT or anywhere else for that matter.
@Ded0099 You saw them on TV. And it was such a personal dramatic moment for you, you felt as if you were really there......you will never forget those images, right? You were watching a freakin' made-for-TV-movie. A charade. An illusion. A hoax. A lie. And even now, your poor, pathetic, propagandized mind cannot grasp the fact that 9/11 was an attack by OUR government on the people of the US to create a Fascist Dictatorship, profits for War Corps, and economic ruin for the sheeple. Wake up pal.
Wow. It's impressive he hung out with you guys as long as he did. Even went for a ride with you. Most people would have told you to fuck off. He is clearly lying though. Which makes it even that much more weird that he would continue to let you all question him. Good post.
@TommYYZ Actually that is not his living room. If you search "Lloyde England - The Eye of the Storm" and watch the full presentation about him in context that will be clear. However he has had more than one new cab since 9/11, he has 30 acres at his 2nd property where he stores the 9/11 cab, and he was bragging about his motorcycle and $50,000 truck, so he's not broke.
@lytetrip Yeah, I am for sure going to look into this guy. He is not that good of an actor to play that stupid for the govt, he probably did screw up and has that mentality that he wants to tell someone because it is so juicy. Suprised he is not dead.
@lytetrip good video , but ...we got all the proof into tons and tons of conspiracy's RIGHT? so why is American's just sitting at their desk's making new video's and blog's ..isn't it time to finally stand up and take action for once and start arresting these traitor's!
Last bit at the end is interesting, though it's still just an old man's word who seems to have a bad memory.
Looking below... wow. See the painful mental gymnastics Trusters have to go through, to explain how Building 7 really could have fallen cleanly into its footprint, with 2.5 seconds of free-fall acceleration, merely from debris striking one half of one side of it?
My only question is, how long before they realize what they're doing is akin to disproving gravity?
@zapproowsdower In order to understand the significance of this you should watch the full presentation "National Security Alert" which explains exactly why the light poles and cab scene had to have been staged, and therefore how we know that Lloyde's entire account has been fabricated. There are over a dozen witnesses who prove the plane was no where near the light poles. This has nothing to do with "bad memory".
@horseytown with god knows how many potential witnesses.
This is yet another example of Truthers feeling that they must pursue any apparent discrepancy to the ends of time, even if the discrepancy can be ruled out by far more plausible explanations, even if the explanations that Truthers spin are more absurd and void-of-logic than the "official version" of the events.
It is very similar to the Barry Jennings affair. Instead of turning to the far more plausible explanation that Jennings was...
@horseytown mistaken in his recollection, Truthers seized upon on his version of events as the gospel truth. They did this despite the fact that there is no conceivable explanation for why the conspirators would have detonated explosives in WTC7 - in front of hundreds of civilian witnesses, firemen, police, media, etc. - A FULL SEVEN HOURS before setting off their "controlled demolition" that took the building down. This explosion would have been witnessed by many and have had no explanation...
@horseytown ...but Truthers insist that Jennings was right that the WTCs 1&2 were still standing when the lobby of WTC7 exploded.
Jennings claimed the Towers were still there when firemen first approached to rescue him from the already blown up WTC7 and that "they ran away" when the towers fell. No firemen ever came forward to corroborate this version of events, and it is clear that the WTC7 was damaged by the falling towers, not by some apparently completely superfluous lobby-destroying bomb.
@drewsiboberinski Yeah, and an evangelist will tell you that what he is offers is "gospel truth", but to me it too is just a bunch of bullshit. It is my opinion that 9/11 Truth is a religious faith, more specifically an apocalyptic-styled cult concerned with a form of eschatology.
I do find it interesting that once again I am finding my posts deleted by Truthers who publicly claim to be concerned with 'censorship' and the 'quashing of dissent'. Time and time again posts are purged by CTers..
@ganubis for nothing but voicing a dissenting opinion. I find it incredible that I have encountered this SO MANY TIMES...and yet ONLY on Truther video pages. Why are Truthers so afraid of discussion? Is it because I questioned whether or not the maker of this video offered protection to the subject of the video seeing as they are claiming that they got this birdy to sing on his involvement in the cover up of and MASS MURDER of almost 3000 human beings? Or was it the other questions I asked?
@drewsiboberinski I am not certain what you mean by that - either a purely dismissive, derogatory comment or are you implying that they are Moloch-worshiping Freemasons or something?
I will agree that they are mostly comprised of man men with very sane interests that have nothing to do with you and me or our safety or well-being, but everything to do with their wealth and power, and that of their elite class.
But I say the same of Obama. If you look at my horseytown profile you will see...
@ganubis I think people who question the official 911/war mongering in the middle east automatically become a "truther". Unfortunately "truther" is used as a derogatory term. Like you should be ashamed for being a truther or something. I don't really care.
@ganubis I'm not sure what you mean by "very sane interests"
I spoke with an aussie soldier recently who has been in Iraq/Afghanistan for the past 5 years. Over the past couple of years of being in the middle east he has come to realize that they are not fighting "terrorist" but securing drug trade from the middle east to the U.S. He's absolutely gutted.
@drewsiboberinski Well, not "sane" for you or me, sane for their own interests. They were, however, defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, which was somewhat of a surprise. They did not lose on every single front, but the Iraqis have resisted being told what to do and the resistance in Afghanistan has done what resistance does well... survive...
6:49 onward is the saddest thing I've seen in a while -- to me that candid monologue summarizes what has happened in so many areas of this scam... ordinary people threatened into playing a role in this sick charade.
has a nice uniform bend on the lampost .. suggest that you go pick up a piece of pipe/tube and hit it on something.. see how it bends ? guarantee it wont bend like this !
"Now that we have established how the witnesses support a banking north side approach, with nothing on the south side this means the damage to the lightpoles and taxi cab had to have been staged."
One piece of evidence contradicts another so the second one has to be wrong. Some logical step missing there. Of course if you come to a conclusion that the first one is fact, before you weigh it up against all the other available evidence then it's a foregone conclusion.
@cwlldoran really? foregone conclusion? after lloyde says "it was planned", and admits he was with the "people with money" right before it happened? and you're gonna go with "foregone conclusion"? pish posh.
I believe they (US agents) have brainwashed this guy into not even believing his own eyes. He states" that's not where it happen". This statement is interesting because in it he states an event happen, just not where the evidence he is presented with shows.
Clearly, if England was involved, he must have been someone trusted by the local and federal police. So, what I'd like to see is a study of the relationships between taxi drivers and police forces across the country and around the world. Do they regularly serve as the eyes and ears of the police and are their relationships tight enough that they could be trusted to participate in mass murder?
The official pentagon story is total bullshit.....there were at least 6 cameras on the attack side of the pentagon on 9/11. ...not only were there 6 cameras on the outside of the pentagon, there are cameras on the inside of the pentagon. Where the fuck are the tapes? ....there's even videos showing evidence being planted at the pentagon. 9/11 = Inside Job!
The pole falls on the car,breaks the windshield,but yet does no damage to the hood or fender of the car?This man was able to lift a thousand pound pole out of his windshield?What a load of crap!
@lute760 A great book on this subject is the UCLA study ' Lightpoles hitting vehicles after impact with low-flying aircraft June 1997 to May 2000' which deals with this all-too-common occurence. There is also 'Cab Drivers! Beware Low Flying Aircraft! ' a really important work , which states in Chapter 2 "...don't go thinking your hood will not be damaged -what are you - nuts?". The author brought out a sequel entitled 'Cabbie! Hands Off the Pole!' but it didn't sell as well.
@NoNORADon911 so like, how many engineers and architects are there in the world? Or even in the united states? OVER 2,000,000. Wait "FBI"? "CIA"? that would suggest that the people who "are in on it" are against it... 200+ senior military (veterans) out of how many? (acouple hundred thousand) so on and so forth... your naming like 3% out of the united states let alone the world... So any rational person would agree if 97% of people agree on something (usually means their right) your ridiculous
why dont you people constantly wear a wire when you under go your interviews? for the entire time!!... plausible deny ability was achieved the moment you stopped your camera lol.. you never caught the first part of the conversation(the main facts or into to convo) and you didnt get the end... the middle of any conversation is missed because the into is the information, the middle is the story or elaboration and the end is the end.wires 24/7 go back and talk to him. till then this video is void!
excellent video! another strange thing I just totally realized..my dad's best friend, a colonel in the air force, was supposed to have a meeting AT the Pentagon on September 11th, 2001..but it was cancelled, I believe...I wonder why...
Well i agree, i am pretty sure someone would have seen trucks droping off his cab already damaged and would have seen someone taking down poles and bending them and placing them on the road...dream on alice, wonderland is around the corner.
@SteveN8HHS What trucks? He drove the cab into position with a hole already in the windshield. The poles were already in position from days or weeks earlier, except the one on the roadway, which was close enough to be easily planted in the chaos that surrounded the attack. The principles involved are those of stage magic, which still fools thousands of people everyday, including rubes like you.
@SteveN8HHS I know right. These people use government evidence, video from the media and others; yet, tell people don't believe what your eyes and ears (or common sense) tell you....here, let me tell you what I am telling you to see......that is because the want the kool=aide drinkers to stir the pot for them before those light posts moved. They take everything out of context and then use glue to piece a wet dream together.
so who played the part of the lamppost ? why does it matter where the taxi guy was HELLO... do you honestly think someone set up the pole? then the 4 more closser to the Pentagon? Im so glad i dont live in the US,,,especially with people who think like this. do you think a misile did all this?
Lloyde's car wasn't hit by any lightpole.Thats bullshit.They just pulled him over and threw a brick thru his window or somethin.Thats why they blocked the media out for about an hour after the "plane" hit.They needed time to set up the scene & collect all camcorders.They didn't want the world to see what they were doin.
I should get this video removed from youtube. My unlce is Lloyd England and I love it how you FUCKERS have distorted what he said and made up shit about him and my family! and intelligent person with more then two brain cells to rub together can figure out that 9/11 was not an inside job!
Ok, someone tell me if i am seeing things. First off, in the first photo of the light pole, it appears to me to be straight, the second photo, only slightly bent, third photo, very bent. Is it just the angle that the photos were taken? And, there is NO way 2 men could have lifted that pole from the car......right?? BTW.....I believe it all was an inside job.....no doubt in my mind. As Loylde said..."it was planned."
can anyone on Gods green earth please debunk 7.35, lloyd says 'it was planned', is there any shill out there that cares to debunk it? This is a blatant confession to the sick 9/11 inside job
He said that he took pictures of the cab and the pole on the bridge. Lloyde clearly knew that the cab, the light pole, and the photographer were on the bridge proving he deliberately switched HIS location to be north of the bridge in order to match with the other witnesses. Google" "National Security Alert".
@amphibwarrior0321 I know these "truther's" are using the wrong title....."citizen investigators" sort of a play on words there first of all. No light poles were hit, but yet they are on the ground, some in 90 degree angles. They can't have it both ways, well they can when they finish the splicing and dicing they do to make their theory and feed the kool-aide to the masses. However our government isn't that smart; yet, they give them a ton of credit here.
@amphibwarrior0321 Agreed. They think they and twist and fabricate for that "Ahh" moment. You Tube is a conspiracy theorists wet dream come true. I think that this lyterip to pretend to be something that he has proven to not be, an investigator at all. Here is a clue lytetrip, when you make an accusation about planting anything, please provide the proof of the planting to cover your tail.
@lytetrip ummmm let's see now. How many news crews were live in that location? How many people their cell phones on them at the time of the crash? Light poles "planted?" Cars and debris "planted?" Yet, these self proclaimed "investigation team" can not provide no video or pictures of anyone moving or planting anything, except unsupported garbage. However, the cab driver should file suit against the video maker for recording anything without his knowledge. "He thought he wasn't being recorded."
@rhonieme They were planted in advance. The entire operation was planned in advance, including the choosing of a pliable enough taxi driver. Do you really think this kind of operation leaves anything to chance? As for the light poles, there is a discussion at Ranke's discussion board of a light pole that's been sitting on the ground in the same general area for months and, you guessed it, nobody ever noticed it until someone photographed it..
The full video from which this clip is taken is called National Security Alert. Watch it for free on YouTube or on the website of the guys who conducted the interviews which is CitizenInvestigationTeamDOTcom
David Griffen believes there were two flying objects. The plane which was higher and something else low to the ground which struck and made the hole and explosion in the pentagon. This makes the accounts of the plane and other accounts both accurate and explains why people think the plane hit the pentagon. Check this out in his book A New Pearl Harbour.
I am so proud of the two guys who made this movie. They had a hit piece cover story written about them in the OC Weekly making them out to be kooks, which pissed me off. OC Weekly used to be a good indy weekly paper with alternative news and good local old school investigative reporting. But the year b4 they did the article on these Pentagon video makers, it was sold to some big NWO corporation. Since then they've gone to crap. What pisses me off is they still pretend to b indy when theyre not.
@chromelung66 these two guys are disgusting people. playing make believe about 911 from your mom's basement is fine, but how fucking dare they accuse a normal citizen of being an accomplice to mass murder?
here's an important question: why do they think an accomplice is so willing to be interviewed by them? if you were an accomplice to murder and got away with it and some random guys came to your house 7 years later and said "we wanna talk about the murder on camera" would you answer?
@MindCrazedBanjo one of my family friends WAS killed and let me tell you for the VAST majority of the families of victims all this conspiracy crap is THE most offensive shit on the planet. the fact that this guy is accusing and old man of being an accomplice to mass murder based on wink wink nonsense is just some disgusting icing on the proverbial shit cake.
seriously, this would be funny in how obvious the interviewer is that this is an unabashed hit piece if it wasnt deeply troubling.
@theZodiacDigital Your a lying spineless traitor whos fooling nobody, and if your happy with the official version of events then what are you doing watching conspiracy videos, again your not making any sense and your not helping the 9/11 victims families you buttwipe.
@MindCrazedBanjo im here cause im open minded and was sent a link by some youtube user.... how does that make me spineless or a traitor? how fucking dumb are you? you call people who dont believe any random youtube hit piece on some poor guy a nazi?? what kind of a sick joke is that?
@theZodiacDigital Yeah, all us normal citizens belong to the Moorish Science Temple and change our names to England-El and have a copy of a David Icke book about serpent people on the front seat of our taxi cabs. Uh-huh, fellow. You really have it pegged, Einstein.
@jose2005vargas Yet you find it necessary and useful to post a reply to this "useless drivel"? Perhaps you are not totally unaware of the consequences of debunking the official government conspiracy theory?
Respect to the guy who is investigating this story. It's great to see how we are all contributing in our own way to get the truth above. I feel connected to you. We are. Thanks.
@weareuprising How could they have planted the light poles without people seeing them. You would think that someone would take a video of this with their cellular phones.
@doughauf Really....how tha hell are going to stage ALL that in daylight, broken car windshields, knocked over light poles, aircraft wreckage on the lawn? ...and no one sees that? what about the hundred or so eyewitnesess?
@jimmym1a1 ..There were witnesses who saw what really hit the Pentagon.They were just pushed away from the area & ignored by most of the media.A few reporters covered there stories.Chris Plante reported that "CONTRARY TO WHAT IS BEING REPORTED" witnesses where he was at did not see a plane,rather a helicopter.
@jimmym1a1 4/5 of the light poles were probly pulled down b4hand.They just staged the 1 in the cab 4 effect.They did that b4 lettin the media start filming anything.Notice there was no media coverage for about an hour.In that time they staged the lightpole in Lloyde's car,rounded up all witnesses cameras,removed (& possibly detained) any hostile witnesses,etc.They only let insiders talk to media.
@youngdrodeau C'mon...be honest with yourself, that was in the morning right off the beltway, full of commuters, ...staged? there were too many witnesses to the fact, plane parts and wreckage laying around....it's really naive to think this was staged
@jimmym1a1 ..HAHA.No its really naive to think a huge ass plane hit the Pentagon.
There was barely any wreckage.Nothin a very weak woman couldn't pull out her car trunk. But no GIGANTIC ASS TAIL SECTION.Do do you know how big a tail section to a 757 is? 44 FT 6 IN tall. We're basicly talkin about a big ass medal 3 story house.These things ALWAYS survive.100% of the time.
@youngdrodeau the Pentagon is 5 stories tall, solid concrete bldg, an aircraft body is made out of aluminum, like a coke can, going that fast and then hitting something that hard? besides don't look for things like that, look for the heavy parts of the plane, the landing gear for one, which they did find of course and parts of the engine which were also found, the landing gear is what did a lot of damage to the bldg
@jimmym1a1 ..Where do you get the idea that they found landing gear,engine parts,etc?Have you seen any of this stuff or were you just told? I haven't.There's pix & video of the crashsite immediately afterwards & there aren't any of these pieces.Sure,there are a few pix of a somewhat big pieces taken later but that was put there earlier or later.Even the reporters there said "Theres no tail section,wing section,fuselage... nothing here that would indicate a plane crashed anywhere near here."
@youngdrodeau ...and if you think the tailsection always survives, you're wrong, it depends on how the crash occured, look at the video hgere on YT of "valujet flight 592", it flew full speed into the ground, just like flight 93 at Shanksville, there virtually nothing left, certainly no large pieces of aircraft body....don't listen to what everyone else says...do your own thinking
@jimmym1a1 ..And flight 592 was an EXTREMELY RARE (even suspicious) case.Not the norm.(Also keep in mind that happened in an alligator,bacteria,etc filled swamp & investigators were tryin to wrap that up ASAP).Still..the tail section survives 99% of the time.It not surviving at least in part is extremely improbable.It happening 2 times in a row (including flight 93) is extremely improbable x 100....
It happening 2x in the same set of events as the even more improbable (arguably impossible) occurance of the ONLY EVER 2 (consecutive) cases of "global" or "pancake" collapses from fire (WTC 1 & 2) & the only case of fire collapsing a bldg (WTC 7) is ASTRONOMICALLY IMPROBABLE.All that plus a lightpole accidently flyin into the center of man's windshield w/o striking him or damaging the hood of this car...
@youngdrodeau ..Add to that the highly unlikely occurence of hijackers,w/o any insider info,happening to pick the best day they could have possibly picked.A day when NORAD happens to be runnin drills that mirror their attacks & leaves US airspace the most vulnerable.
+ The WTC had just been sold & insured a few months earlier.
+ A abnormally large amount of put options had been put on American Airlines,United Airlines & other effected companies
+ The highly unlikely occurence of a successful hijacking x 4 = 100% effectiveness
+ The hijackers flying past the Pentagon,busting a U-Turn & hittin the part of the Pentagon where the Army budget office was killing all the staff workers there(Remember,2.3 trillion had been reported unaccounted for on 9/10/01)
+ The Pentagon being attacked without any prominent people being injured
@youngdrodeau ..I doubt they were aiming for any particular area of the P-gon, they just wanted to hit it...and look I've heard this before, they crashed to destroy paperwork and reports about investigations...So What? do you think that would stop any investigation? all of that information is retreivable, it's not like thats the only copy Ex: you have a court case, you're on trial, the courthouse burns down, you think you're going to walk out of jail because the courthouse burns down?
@youngdrodeau ...No....it won't happen ....and what do you mean by prominant people? like generals and such? Rumsfeld was there that day.....they weren't targeting individuals, it was symbolic
@youngdrodeau the hijackers didn't ned any inside info...inside info for what? tey took over the planes..it's that simple, they were practicing this for years,..have you ever read the 911 Commish Report? ...it goes into a lot of detail about the hijackers, they were planning this since after 1993 bombing Failed...you remember that? ...they tried in '93 to blow up the towers, why do you think it's such a stretch they wouldn't try again?
Inside info of the NORAD drills.W/o these drills,the "hijackers" likelihood of success would be slim.They may've hit 1 target b4 being intercepted.The fact that these events coincided is good reason to beleive they had inside info.BUT,then consider the date,9/11,which is a play on 9-1-1,a clear psy ops attack.Hijackers could pick 9-1-1 as a date.They could have had inside NORAD info.But they couldn't have done both.Only govt could coordinate that all cuz they scheduled the drills.Or coincidence?
@youngdrodeau I don't know enough about any NORAD patrols back then, I know they have bases in the vicinity (VA?) but all the 911 attacks happened within what? 2 hours +/-? and there are a LOT of planes in the air flying, so after the First WTC was hit, How would they know what was going to be next? sure they could send up fighter jets, but what plane are you going to shoot down? there'd be too many in the air...
@jimmym1a1 ..According to the official story,the FAA gave the Pentagon a 10-15 minute heads up that a plane (flight 77) that had gone off course & was beleived to be hijacked was heading their way at 200mph more than normal. What plane are you goin to shoot down?" IDK,maybe the hijacked one speedin toward your restricted air space,passin it by & bustin a U-Turn to come back that way.Just a thought.
@youngdrodeau well when it turned around it was still a long way away, and again...how would anyone KNOW where the plane was going to go?sure you have a plane off course and heading to DC, but how would you ever know for sure where it was heading?
@jimmym1a1 ..The Pentagon is the most protected bldg in the world.It has radar systems that detect aircraft coming into their airspace.It has missile launchers all around it,armed helicopters,fighter jets,etc.Even w/o the heads up,any plane should be intercepted or shot down.But with 2 targets already hit & 10-15 minute heads up,the P-gon & White house airspace shoulda been secure,if not all of DC.
@youngdrodeau I don't know about all the defense systems you mention, if you look at the whole P0gon complex (google earth) there's not too many places you could have helicopters and such, and too...I'm sure that's a VERY busy air corridor, I mean a helicopter can go up and fly pretty quick, but it's busy around there, missile launchers? IF I had to guess, I'd say they probably have some hand-held type, like Stingers, probably at the WH too...someone could shot them off the roof
@jimmym1a1 ..Dude c'mon man.The Pentagon is THE most protected bldg in THE WORLD.Thats not my opinion,thats common knowledge.Look up some videos on the subject.See for yourself.
And don't you think that mentality goes out the window after 2 confirmed attacks?
@youngdrodeau they did retro fit the P-gon, in fact at the time of the attack, that's what they were doing....but as far as helicopters and missile batteries, I don't think have all that...like I said, probably some shoulder-fired types, like at the white house, once in a while you can catch a glimpse of all the stuff on the roof of the WH....snipers, bunkers etc....
@jimmym1a1 and what the 911 comm report said was that flight 93, the last plane, was headed for the capitol, the report said bin laden wanted the white house, but atta, said it would be really difficult to hit the WH so the Capitol was selected
Dude stop quoting the fuckin 9/11 report.That shit is 95% bullshit.The people that that carried out & profitted royally from 9/11 wrote that bullshit.The head of the 9/11 commish,Tom Kean,is Bush & Cheney's cousin.He's boardmember of an oil company.
@youngdrodeau ..Dude do you understand that criminals lie & 9/11 official story defies the law of physics & probability?Imagine what you could get away with if you were able to hire the ppl in charge of investigating you AND completely bend the laws of science & nature to explain yourself.
@youngdrodeau Actually they don't, I've read a lot it, combined with that link I sent, you can see how the construction of the towers aided in the collapse
Listen for this to have been an inside job, thousands of people would have to be in on it and the military too..you think that many people could/would do that? and someone would talk...
@jimmym1a1 9/11 was big money.TRILLIONS of dollars have been made by a select few ppl becuz of it.Billions in aftermath business relief stimulus.Trillions in defense contracts.Hundreds of billions & counting on increased gas & energy prices.Billion dollar oil reserves aquired in the middle east.Hundreds of billions in increased retail prices justified by the forementioned gas increases.Bailout money,land aquisition,privitization of MidEast resources & markets,etc,etc,etc....
With that kinda money on the line you could pay a million ppl a million bucks to help out and still have trillions left.If how many ppl would have to be involved is your hangup thats just foolish.Hiring help was the least of their worries.
@jimmym1a1 That's what the military exercises were for. They covered every aspect of the attack and, yes, THOUSANDS of people were involved. They just didn't know what they were involved in. The folks who knew could be counted on your two hands. The sad thing is, all this has been known for years. You're just too lazy or too dumb to have bothered to have looked for it.
@LordBalto "The folks who knew could be counted on your two hands."...that's BS....and thousands were envolved but didn't know? ...lmao ...you're blowing smoke
@youngdrodeau I dont' think the P-gon would be the most, something more like ft knox or the white house...I think the reason why they were as successful as they were is because of the element of surprise....if you have the fire power, you can ambush a much larger force than yourself....plus these guys were no retards, they did their homework, took "dry-runs" to see how the planes and crew operate, they were siting in first class, that's like 6 feet away from the cock pit door
uhh its not fake and gay., he clearly admitted it was planned., and rambling about the people with all the money it being their thing., thanks., i hope he gets drug into court one day to testify
MultiSr16 1 month ago
Fake and Gay
we3575 1 month ago
Guy seems bit confused about everything,not the most reliable witness.seems distance from where he said he got hit by pole to where photos are is not much further down the road.Is conceivable that the shock of having a plane fly over and a pole hit your car could leave you drifting,especially as slamming breaks could cause even more collisions.where is everyone who saw conspirators dislodge a pole and "stage" it onto his car? would have thought be few people around at that time of day.
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It's amazing that when that light pole hit the car after being knocked over at 520mph by a 400 thousand pound jet, it didn't so much as dent or scratch the finish on either the hood or fender of the cab.This cab driver must possess super human strength to have been able to lift a 1000 pound light pole out of the windshield and lay it on the ground next to the car,and still without so much as scratching the hood or fender.I guess it just go's against the laws of physics,that's all.
lute760 3 months ago in playlist 9/11?
@friscodolemite black ops...I could give you a fake name, but I won't. Just call me Mr. Ex.... You can also call me Mr. Whateveryounameis.
gimme2utah1 3 months ago
@gimme2utah1 Reveal yourself! CIA? FBI?
friscodolemite 3 months ago
This is a GREAT video.
Just one reservation :The broken polls were not staged, they WERE hit by a Granit Anti ship missile traveling at over Mach 1.5
checkThrice 4 months ago
Google operation northwooods.
nexgensound 4 months ago
@nexgensound Google Operation Bojinka
gimme2utah1 4 months ago
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megamogx 4 months ago
Why is Secre of Defense now blaming Al Queda for 911. Who next. Castro or Chavez? These clowns will do and say anything to divert attention.
390bullitt1968 4 months ago
Truthers are not morons or insane. It is a known fact the NSA created a propoganda team of 2000 paid persons, post 911, who roam chat boards day and night trying to debunk everything truthers post. A higher level anti - truther team carefully follows all that is written in the media that veers off the official gov line. Writers and editors know that to veer off the gov fed story , means a lifetime employment ban in their industry, same for the holohoax.
390bullitt1968 4 months ago
@390bullitt1968 You don't know human nature very well. 2000 paid persons? If they took money to do this then they would have also taken money to "tell the truth". People can't keep their mouths shut that well. "Truthers are not morons or insane". Hmmm. Why to these "truther" clips keep playing the same sound byte over and over and over like a bad rap song?
Well I'm off to collect my hush money. ;-)
doelstu 4 months ago
You guys are pathetic. Is this the best you can come up with? A confused elderly man? How much did you pay him I wonder?
I'd probably say anything to get you guys the hell out of my house too. What a bunch of crap.
doelstu 4 months ago
Lyoyde England seems to be a frightened old man (possibly suffering from the onset of dementia) who doesn't want to be badgered and harrassed by this young "truther". He didn't confess to anything here. He's confused and he wants to be left alone. You "truthers" are so gullible taking this confused man at his word and using HIM as part of your agenda and then libelling and slandering him the way you are. Pathetic.
999II0OlllO0II666 4 months ago
Where are the witnesses to the staging of this event? The staging would have to have taken place in mere moments. Where are the witnesses who saw a missile launch or a missile flight? The driver did not "confess;" he seems like a confused, slightly dense man making conjectures. I'm not saying the videographer is incorrect; this is just an extraordinary claim, and it therefore requires extraordinary DIRECT evidence, not conjectures, not anecdotes.
mahajohn 4 months ago 8
@gimme2utah1 Apologies missed the irony :)
Hairlficksmodelphoto 5 months ago
@Hairlficksmodelphoto lol, No prob. I've done the same myself.
gimme2utah1 5 months ago
Someone needs to beat the truth out of this old motherfucker....he is going against solid evidence man...People like this might as well be helping out the terrorists.
rjrod 5 months ago
Did you know that there was a tourist from Japan that caught on video a glimpse of a cruise missile striking the Pentagon? There was also a some tourist from Morroco that snapped a picture of a cruise missile as it flew by him. he was not less than 3 miles from the Pentagon. There were at least 300,000 other people within a 5 mile radius that fateful day that witnessed a cruise missile flying overhead. The Gubmint knew ahead of time that they were all there. shhh, They've all been silenced.
gimme2utah1 5 months ago
@gimme2utah1 Id love to see anyone take a photo of a cruise missile in flight,1500 mph! Silly idiot.
Hairlficksmodelphoto 5 months ago
@Hairlficksmodelphoto In case you didn't know, I was poking fun at twoofers. But thanks for proving my point. A cruise missile traveling in excess of mach 2 would've not been caught AT ALL on the surveillance camera at the Pentagon.. Would've penetrated deep within the blg. before exploding and would not have caused a 140ft wide swath of damage on the lower exterior wall. The fireball on the exterior is indicitive of a fuel ignited explosion, Not of a heavy charge from high explosives.
gimme2utah1 5 months ago
@gimme2utah1
So where was the plane? Did you see it?
jasmin5592 5 months ago
@jasmin5592 There is by far, enough photographic evidence to support the obvious. A 757 did crash into the Pentagon. Why would anyone believe it was a cruise missile. You think the "sinister gubmint" would risk someone eyewitnessing or getting video evidence of a cruise missile? When they could simply send a plane disguised as flight77. (I don't believe that of course) But I'm sure they could get a hold of one and paint it in AA colors if they wanted to. Christ, give em SOME credit.
gimme2utah1 5 months ago
@gimme2utah1
This country's government has done some fucked up shit. Do I believe they wouldn't hurt civilians to further their own aims? No, I'm not stupid. Nor am I naive enough to think our best interests come first. So you call this evidence of a 757 hitting the pentagon. But why lie? If the official report says a hijacked plane hit the building, then why distort the truth at all? Why keep the footage of flight 77 hidden at all? If it's the truth just show us.
jasmin5592 5 months ago
@jasmin5592 "Why keep the footage of flight 77 hidden at all? If it's the truth just show us."
They have shown us...Plenty. Dontcha think If they wanted to, they could've withheld all photo's and the lone video and just stated "Due to National Security...." Or simply stated "We have no footage. Go fuck yourselves."
Plus, do you think they really want EVERYONE to KNOW WHERE their security camera's are? It's suppose to be "The Most Secured Federal Building."
gimme2utah1 5 months ago
@gimme2utah1
Come to think of it, what "evidence" has you absolutely convinced? Videos and pictures of an impacted building that in no way matches the size of a large commercial airliner?You must've seen a building burning and heard someone say "plane" and just went with it. True evidence should be consistent. It shouldn't covered up or manipulated at all. There should be no stretch of the imagination about a disintegrating plane. So again if they're telling the truth, then why did they lie?
jasmin5592 5 months ago
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@jasmin5592 "pictures of an impacted building that in no way matches the size of a large commercial airliner?"
WRONG!! There are photos of wing damage to the outer wall 140+ feet across. Cruise missiles on average are only 20 feet long 2ft in diameter with a 6ft wingspan. They penetrate deep within the target before igniting and don't explode on the outer wall such as was shown on the Pentagon's surveillance camera. The explosion and subsequent debris are indicative of a plane crash.
gimme2utah1 5 months ago
so pole went thru his windscreen and didn't leave a scratch on his bonnet/hood! don't make sense.
MindCrazedBanjo 6 months ago
however, I have seen no reason that I SHOULD.
I also happen to believe that the various governments supposedly in on the "inside jobs" are involved in COUNTLESS atrocities of far more terrible scales than the 9/11 attacks.
it is similar to how Truthers love to mention Op. Northwoods thinking that it's moderate resemblance to the plot they claim occurred on 9/11 will easily convince the unbelievers that the gov't is capable of that sort of evil and treachery.
The problem is that they miss..
ganubis 6 months ago
the fact that Operation Northwoods is the most trivial of plots that the US ever hatched in relation to Cuba. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER MADE OPERATIONAL, while all matter of attacks were ACTUALLY launched against Cuba, resulting in THOUSANDS of deaths, including the Bay of Pigs attack which came before Northwoods. The US was trying to manipulate the WEATHER over Cuba, poisoned its livestock and used chem warfare on crops..what does it matter that they once 'considered' blowing up a dummy plane?
ganubis 6 months ago
@ganubis - CIA operatives in Cuba would place nails in the roadway, so the milk trucks delivering milk to school kids would have flat tires and the milk would go bad. If that did not work, they would blow up the only
bridge or roadway. The dirty tricks to carry on low level warfare were never ending. Castro was a bad guy, but the folks who antagonized him were just as bad. Just as bad.
390bullitt1968 4 months ago
that I am an anarchist... not a right-winger defending the "war on terror" or the Bush Administration...
You see, contrary to what Truthers generally assume about those attacking 9/11 Truth, I am not 'debunking' out of a naive belief that "the government would never do that!" ....in fact, as one who despises government/military/police/state capitalism/nationalism/jingoism/war/imperialism ....I have every reason in the world to WANT TO BELIEVE in 9/11 Truth...
ganubis 6 months ago
I asked a lot of questions, all of them in one very long thread, which made it easy to delete them all in one fell swoop. Not a single question was addressed or was an response even attempted. No, not for those claiming to be dedicated to 'challenging' and contrary notions...nope, it was DELETE + BAN as usual.
I could call you people "cowards", but I genuinely feel that I would rather HAVE THE DEBATE/DISCUSSION instead. I see that about TWENTY other people had their messages deleted below me
ganubis 6 months ago
@ganubis The thing you have to remember is..the people leading the "Truth Movement" don't even believe their own ABSOLUTE SHIT that they are selling. It's just a fuckin SCAM to sell videos and T-shirts. If anyone would be here on YT trying to convince people to "BUY" into their conspiracy/paranoid world, it's Truther's. Funny how they call us non-truthers Gvt. Shills. When in reality, the gubmint wouldn't give 2 shits about what people think here on YT or anywhere else for that matter.
gimme2utah1 4 months ago
To grasp the real nature of 9/11, you must start at the basic FACTS:
1. There never were any planes.
2. There never were any hijackers.
3. However, there WERE hi-tech vehicles and orbs present.
You have to BEGIN with the fact that 9/11 was a total lie.
apatriotofusa 6 months ago
@apatriotofusa i saw the planes my self that day, dont say that stupid nonsense,
Ded0099 6 months ago
@Ded0099 You saw them on TV. And it was such a personal dramatic moment for you, you felt as if you were really there......you will never forget those images, right? You were watching a freakin' made-for-TV-movie. A charade. An illusion. A hoax. A lie. And even now, your poor, pathetic, propagandized mind cannot grasp the fact that 9/11 was an attack by OUR government on the people of the US to create a Fascist Dictatorship, profits for War Corps, and economic ruin for the sheeple. Wake up pal.
apatriotofusa 6 months ago
Wow. It's impressive he hung out with you guys as long as he did. Even went for a ride with you. Most people would have told you to fuck off. He is clearly lying though. Which makes it even that much more weird that he would continue to let you all question him. Good post.
bweazel 6 months ago
Did you see all those nice things in that small living room? I bet that was a blood/hush money from the govt.
TommYYZ 6 months ago
@TommYYZ Actually that is not his living room. If you search "Lloyde England - The Eye of the Storm" and watch the full presentation about him in context that will be clear. However he has had more than one new cab since 9/11, he has 30 acres at his 2nd property where he stores the 9/11 cab, and he was bragging about his motorcycle and $50,000 truck, so he's not broke.
lytetrip 6 months ago
@lytetrip Yeah, I am for sure going to look into this guy. He is not that good of an actor to play that stupid for the govt, he probably did screw up and has that mentality that he wants to tell someone because it is so juicy. Suprised he is not dead.
TommYYZ 6 months ago
@lytetrip good video , but ...we got all the proof into tons and tons of conspiracy's RIGHT? so why is American's just sitting at their desk's making new video's and blog's ..isn't it time to finally stand up and take action for once and start arresting these traitor's!
DOCSAFETUBE 4 months ago
Last bit at the end is interesting, though it's still just an old man's word who seems to have a bad memory.
Looking below... wow. See the painful mental gymnastics Trusters have to go through, to explain how Building 7 really could have fallen cleanly into its footprint, with 2.5 seconds of free-fall acceleration, merely from debris striking one half of one side of it?
My only question is, how long before they realize what they're doing is akin to disproving gravity?
zapproowsdower 7 months ago
@zapproowsdower In order to understand the significance of this you should watch the full presentation "National Security Alert" which explains exactly why the light poles and cab scene had to have been staged, and therefore how we know that Lloyde's entire account has been fabricated. There are over a dozen witnesses who prove the plane was no where near the light poles. This has nothing to do with "bad memory".
lytetrip 7 months ago 2
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He seems to pretty clearly know that what he was paid to say covered up something he considers bigger than himself.
jasmin5592 5 months ago
@horseytown with god knows how many potential witnesses.
This is yet another example of Truthers feeling that they must pursue any apparent discrepancy to the ends of time, even if the discrepancy can be ruled out by far more plausible explanations, even if the explanations that Truthers spin are more absurd and void-of-logic than the "official version" of the events.
It is very similar to the Barry Jennings affair. Instead of turning to the far more plausible explanation that Jennings was...
horseytown 7 months ago
@horseytown mistaken in his recollection, Truthers seized upon on his version of events as the gospel truth. They did this despite the fact that there is no conceivable explanation for why the conspirators would have detonated explosives in WTC7 - in front of hundreds of civilian witnesses, firemen, police, media, etc. - A FULL SEVEN HOURS before setting off their "controlled demolition" that took the building down. This explosion would have been witnessed by many and have had no explanation...
horseytown 7 months ago
@horseytown ...but Truthers insist that Jennings was right that the WTCs 1&2 were still standing when the lobby of WTC7 exploded.
Jennings claimed the Towers were still there when firemen first approached to rescue him from the already blown up WTC7 and that "they ran away" when the towers fell. No firemen ever came forward to corroborate this version of events, and it is clear that the WTC7 was damaged by the falling towers, not by some apparently completely superfluous lobby-destroying bomb.
horseytown 7 months ago
@horseytown what's the opposite of truther...bull shiter
drewsiboberinski 6 months ago
@drewsiboberinski Yeah, and an evangelist will tell you that what he is offers is "gospel truth", but to me it too is just a bunch of bullshit. It is my opinion that 9/11 Truth is a religious faith, more specifically an apocalyptic-styled cult concerned with a form of eschatology.
I do find it interesting that once again I am finding my posts deleted by Truthers who publicly claim to be concerned with 'censorship' and the 'quashing of dissent'. Time and time again posts are purged by CTers..
ganubis 6 months ago
@ganubis for nothing but voicing a dissenting opinion. I find it incredible that I have encountered this SO MANY TIMES...and yet ONLY on Truther video pages. Why are Truthers so afraid of discussion? Is it because I questioned whether or not the maker of this video offered protection to the subject of the video seeing as they are claiming that they got this birdy to sing on his involvement in the cover up of and MASS MURDER of almost 3000 human beings? Or was it the other questions I asked?
ganubis 6 months ago
@ganubis how about the Bush admin. Now there's a cult!
drewsiboberinski 6 months ago
@drewsiboberinski I am not certain what you mean by that - either a purely dismissive, derogatory comment or are you implying that they are Moloch-worshiping Freemasons or something?
I will agree that they are mostly comprised of man men with very sane interests that have nothing to do with you and me or our safety or well-being, but everything to do with their wealth and power, and that of their elite class.
But I say the same of Obama. If you look at my horseytown profile you will see...
ganubis 6 months ago
@ganubis I think people who question the official 911/war mongering in the middle east automatically become a "truther". Unfortunately "truther" is used as a derogatory term. Like you should be ashamed for being a truther or something. I don't really care.
drewsiboberinski 6 months ago
@ganubis I'm not sure what you mean by "very sane interests"
I spoke with an aussie soldier recently who has been in Iraq/Afghanistan for the past 5 years. Over the past couple of years of being in the middle east he has come to realize that they are not fighting "terrorist" but securing drug trade from the middle east to the U.S. He's absolutely gutted.
drewsiboberinski 6 months ago
@drewsiboberinski Well, not "sane" for you or me, sane for their own interests. They were, however, defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, which was somewhat of a surprise. They did not lose on every single front, but the Iraqis have resisted being told what to do and the resistance in Afghanistan has done what resistance does well... survive...
ganubis 6 months ago
@horseytown credibility not "credit"
horseytown 7 months ago
Amazing when the camera rolls he denies everything... I bet the threatened him with his life if he ever dared to speak
barthoedemaker 7 months ago
Truthers are morons, and this 'confession" proves my statement.
dreadnaught2 7 months ago
THESE GUYS ARE HEROES.
vsv23te 7 months ago
I bet ya the governement sgot a gun at his nuts.
MrXxTimmyXx 8 months ago
fucking way to go!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
whitiedave 8 months ago
6:49 onward is the saddest thing I've seen in a while -- to me that candid monologue summarizes what has happened in so many areas of this scam... ordinary people threatened into playing a role in this sick charade.
simonjeste 8 months ago
Unbelieveble. I bet this guy (taxi driver) is not the only civilian who got involved... how can you Americans live with that ???
PoMu4 9 months ago
wow isn't this direct evidence that it's an inside job?
svendiamond 9 months ago
has a nice uniform bend on the lampost .. suggest that you go pick up a piece of pipe/tube and hit it on something.. see how it bends ? guarantee it wont bend like this !
eggchipsandbeans1 9 months ago
"Now that we have established how the witnesses support a banking north side approach, with nothing on the south side this means the damage to the lightpoles and taxi cab had to have been staged."
One piece of evidence contradicts another so the second one has to be wrong. Some logical step missing there. Of course if you come to a conclusion that the first one is fact, before you weigh it up against all the other available evidence then it's a foregone conclusion.
cwlldoran 9 months ago
@cwlldoran really? foregone conclusion? after lloyde says "it was planned", and admits he was with the "people with money" right before it happened? and you're gonna go with "foregone conclusion"? pish posh.
chris11sholtz 7 months ago
I believe they (US agents) have brainwashed this guy into not even believing his own eyes. He states" that's not where it happen". This statement is interesting because in it he states an event happen, just not where the evidence he is presented with shows.
dobberdoss 9 months ago
uk dot news dot yahoo dot com/4/20110406/video/vwl-driver-miraculously-escapes-being-im-15af341.html
cwlldoran 9 months ago
Clearly, if England was involved, he must have been someone trusted by the local and federal police. So, what I'd like to see is a study of the relationships between taxi drivers and police forces across the country and around the world. Do they regularly serve as the eyes and ears of the police and are their relationships tight enough that they could be trusted to participate in mass murder?
LordBalto 10 months ago
I have FOIA video shot from the bridge right after the attack and the cab is not there and the poles are standing on either side of the rock bridge.
IranContraScumDid911 10 months ago
@IranContraScumDid911 Post it.
LordBalto 10 months ago
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The official pentagon story is total bullshit.....there were at least 6 cameras on the attack side of the pentagon on 9/11. ...not only were there 6 cameras on the outside of the pentagon, there are cameras on the inside of the pentagon. Where the fuck are the tapes? ....there's even videos showing evidence being planted at the pentagon. 9/11 = Inside Job!
Born2Flesh 10 months ago
The pole falls on the car,breaks the windshield,but yet does no damage to the hood or fender of the car?This man was able to lift a thousand pound pole out of his windshield?What a load of crap!
lute760 10 months ago
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cwlldoran 9 months ago
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@lute760 A great book on this subject is the UCLA study ' Lightpoles hitting vehicles after impact with low-flying aircraft June 1997 to May 2000' which deals with this all-too-common occurence. There is also 'Cab Drivers! Beware Low Flying Aircraft! ' a really important work , which states in Chapter 2 "...don't go thinking your hood will not be damaged -what are you - nuts?". The author brought out a sequel entitled 'Cabbie! Hands Off the Pole!' but it didn't sell as well.
cwlldoran 9 months ago
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NoNORADon911 10 months ago
@NoNORADon911 so like, how many engineers and architects are there in the world? Or even in the united states? OVER 2,000,000. Wait "FBI"? "CIA"? that would suggest that the people who "are in on it" are against it... 200+ senior military (veterans) out of how many? (acouple hundred thousand) so on and so forth... your naming like 3% out of the united states let alone the world... So any rational person would agree if 97% of people agree on something (usually means their right) your ridiculous
KeepingItObvious 7 months ago
i dont no about you but this is 100% proof that the government is lieing to us
killuminati1871 11 months ago 10
@killuminati1871 You'd have to be drinking 100% proof to think that.
cwlldoran 9 months ago
@killuminati1871 I know! Are you people thick? oh yea... you are..
yoyoholck 6 months ago
How did he know what they were up to.
geoffhang10 11 months ago
why dont you people constantly wear a wire when you under go your interviews? for the entire time!!... plausible deny ability was achieved the moment you stopped your camera lol.. you never caught the first part of the conversation(the main facts or into to convo) and you didnt get the end... the middle of any conversation is missed because the into is the information, the middle is the story or elaboration and the end is the end.wires 24/7 go back and talk to him. till then this video is void!
popcornandporn 11 months ago
excellent video! another strange thing I just totally realized..my dad's best friend, a colonel in the air force, was supposed to have a meeting AT the Pentagon on September 11th, 2001..but it was cancelled, I believe...I wonder why...
laura21345 11 months ago
Well i agree, i am pretty sure someone would have seen trucks droping off his cab already damaged and would have seen someone taking down poles and bending them and placing them on the road...dream on alice, wonderland is around the corner.
SteveN8HHS 1 year ago
@SteveN8HHS What trucks? He drove the cab into position with a hole already in the windshield. The poles were already in position from days or weeks earlier, except the one on the roadway, which was close enough to be easily planted in the chaos that surrounded the attack. The principles involved are those of stage magic, which still fools thousands of people everyday, including rubes like you.
LordBalto 10 months ago
Oh yea, and it did run right in front of me.
SteveN8HHS 1 year ago
I think i seen one of those living light poles that move themselves......but it was on a night of heavy drinking .
SteveN8HHS 1 year ago
@SteveN8HHS I know right. These people use government evidence, video from the media and others; yet, tell people don't believe what your eyes and ears (or common sense) tell you....here, let me tell you what I am telling you to see......that is because the want the kool=aide drinkers to stir the pot for them before those light posts moved. They take everything out of context and then use glue to piece a wet dream together.
rhonieme 1 year ago
so who played the part of the lamppost ? why does it matter where the taxi guy was HELLO... do you honestly think someone set up the pole? then the 4 more closser to the Pentagon? Im so glad i dont live in the US,,,especially with people who think like this. do you think a misile did all this?
gladheateher4now 1 year ago
how the fuck do you stage light poles you ass? omg,PLEASE
gladheateher4now 1 year ago
at the risk of being naive, I have to endorse these guys. what's weird is why the truth movement won't embrace them
kevhead66 1 year ago
amazing, this only reaffirms what I thought happened.
Beezy2127 1 year ago
jimmmym is he kiddin?
4624tone 1 year ago
I vote inside job
buffbrianwallace 1 year ago
Lloyde's car wasn't hit by any lightpole.Thats bullshit.They just pulled him over and threw a brick thru his window or somethin.Thats why they blocked the media out for about an hour after the "plane" hit.They needed time to set up the scene & collect all camcorders.They didn't want the world to see what they were doin.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau I have wondered the same thing.
doughauf 1 year ago
I should get this video removed from youtube. My unlce is Lloyd England and I love it how you FUCKERS have distorted what he said and made up shit about him and my family! and intelligent person with more then two brain cells to rub together can figure out that 9/11 was not an inside job!
garrus92 1 year ago
@garrus92 hahah Hilarious....Lloyd England's nephew...
LIKE FUCK shill boy......
Go take some more dollars for the LIES you are covering up scumbag accessory to murder Shill motherfucker...You are disgusting.
9/11 truth will NOT be stopped....
Glenmead 1 year ago
@garrus92 Funny you can't spell your own uncle's name right.
LordBalto 10 months ago
Ok, someone tell me if i am seeing things. First off, in the first photo of the light pole, it appears to me to be straight, the second photo, only slightly bent, third photo, very bent. Is it just the angle that the photos were taken? And, there is NO way 2 men could have lifted that pole from the car......right?? BTW.....I believe it all was an inside job.....no doubt in my mind. As Loylde said..."it was planned."
TexasRose50 1 year ago
can anyone on Gods green earth please debunk 7.35, lloyd says 'it was planned', is there any shill out there that cares to debunk it? This is a blatant confession to the sick 9/11 inside job
wellifthemediasaysit 1 year ago
even an old man like lloyd says it 'was planned', 9/11 was an inside job!!
wellifthemediasaysit 1 year ago
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CIT is 100% garbage.
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bumblebee8banana 1 year ago 2
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Blueprint47 1 year ago
He said that he took pictures of the cab and the pole on the bridge. Lloyde clearly knew that the cab, the light pole, and the photographer were on the bridge proving he deliberately switched HIS location to be north of the bridge in order to match with the other witnesses. Google" "National Security Alert".
lytetrip 1 year ago
@lytetrip Thats why nver trust a street dork with classified information!!! Everybody knows that 9/11 was an inside job.
doughauf 1 year ago
@lytetrip
RETARD-
He was first talking about the camera man and then later was talking about his car....2 different things....
This is how 9/11 truth works.......
LIES LIES LIES...
amphibwarrior0321 1 year ago
@amphibwarrior0321 I know these "truther's" are using the wrong title....."citizen investigators" sort of a play on words there first of all. No light poles were hit, but yet they are on the ground, some in 90 degree angles. They can't have it both ways, well they can when they finish the splicing and dicing they do to make their theory and feed the kool-aide to the masses. However our government isn't that smart; yet, they give them a ton of credit here.
rhonieme 1 year ago
@amphibwarrior0321 Agreed. They think they and twist and fabricate for that "Ahh" moment. You Tube is a conspiracy theorists wet dream come true. I think that this lyterip to pretend to be something that he has proven to not be, an investigator at all. Here is a clue lytetrip, when you make an accusation about planting anything, please provide the proof of the planting to cover your tail.
rhonieme 1 year ago
@lytetrip ummmm let's see now. How many news crews were live in that location? How many people their cell phones on them at the time of the crash? Light poles "planted?" Cars and debris "planted?" Yet, these self proclaimed "investigation team" can not provide no video or pictures of anyone moving or planting anything, except unsupported garbage. However, the cab driver should file suit against the video maker for recording anything without his knowledge. "He thought he wasn't being recorded."
rhonieme 1 year ago
@rhonieme They were planted in advance. The entire operation was planned in advance, including the choosing of a pliable enough taxi driver. Do you really think this kind of operation leaves anything to chance? As for the light poles, there is a discussion at Ranke's discussion board of a light pole that's been sitting on the ground in the same general area for months and, you guessed it, nobody ever noticed it until someone photographed it..
LordBalto 10 months ago
linda254 - I think you been watching too many kids cartoons.
9/11 was caused by witches now was it?
You need to take your medication and shut the fuck up.
TheHappyMcSlappy 1 year ago
He never said he was on the bridge. He said the photographer was on the bridge.
Another conspiranoid FAIL.
TheHappyMcSlappy 1 year ago
@TheHappyMcSlappy ..... listen again before you comment... the taxi driver said he WASN"T on the bridge... but the photos showed he was....
lightman514 1 year ago
@TheHappyMcSlappy Ha Ha epic fail you deplonking shill your going to look pretty stupid when the truth comes out asshole.
MindCrazedBanjo 1 year ago
more info on this plz ....
OzzyDave6969 1 year ago
@OzzyDave6969
The full video from which this clip is taken is called National Security Alert. Watch it for free on YouTube or on the website of the guys who conducted the interviews which is CitizenInvestigationTeamDOTcom
StandUpForLiberty 1 year ago
Sad part is dumb ass people will still believe the opposite.
lamiac2411 1 year ago
David Griffen believes there were two flying objects. The plane which was higher and something else low to the ground which struck and made the hole and explosion in the pentagon. This makes the accounts of the plane and other accounts both accurate and explains why people think the plane hit the pentagon. Check this out in his book A New Pearl Harbour.
simonnaylor 1 year ago
I am so proud of the two guys who made this movie. They had a hit piece cover story written about them in the OC Weekly making them out to be kooks, which pissed me off. OC Weekly used to be a good indy weekly paper with alternative news and good local old school investigative reporting. But the year b4 they did the article on these Pentagon video makers, it was sold to some big NWO corporation. Since then they've gone to crap. What pisses me off is they still pretend to b indy when theyre not.
chromelung66 1 year ago
@chromelung66 these two guys are disgusting people. playing make believe about 911 from your mom's basement is fine, but how fucking dare they accuse a normal citizen of being an accomplice to mass murder?
here's an important question: why do they think an accomplice is so willing to be interviewed by them? if you were an accomplice to murder and got away with it and some random guys came to your house 7 years later and said "we wanna talk about the murder on camera" would you answer?
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital Your a quisling and a traitor. You wouldn't be saying that if it was your family killed scumbag.
MindCrazedBanjo 1 year ago
@MindCrazedBanjo one of my family friends WAS killed and let me tell you for the VAST majority of the families of victims all this conspiracy crap is THE most offensive shit on the planet. the fact that this guy is accusing and old man of being an accomplice to mass murder based on wink wink nonsense is just some disgusting icing on the proverbial shit cake.
seriously, this would be funny in how obvious the interviewer is that this is an unabashed hit piece if it wasnt deeply troubling.
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital Your a lying spineless traitor whos fooling nobody, and if your happy with the official version of events then what are you doing watching conspiracy videos, again your not making any sense and your not helping the 9/11 victims families you buttwipe.
MindCrazedBanjo 1 year ago
@MindCrazedBanjo im here cause im open minded and was sent a link by some youtube user.... how does that make me spineless or a traitor? how fucking dumb are you? you call people who dont believe any random youtube hit piece on some poor guy a nazi?? what kind of a sick joke is that?
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital Yeah, all us normal citizens belong to the Moorish Science Temple and change our names to England-El and have a copy of a David Icke book about serpent people on the front seat of our taxi cabs. Uh-huh, fellow. You really have it pegged, Einstein.
LordBalto 10 months ago
@LordBalto it doesnt matter whether or you have a copy of ickes book or not. either way this is barely coherent conspiracy crap.
theZodiacDigital 9 months ago
Absolutely baseless, useless drivel.
jose2005vargas 1 year ago
then who was phone?
ronaldosronaldos 1 year ago
@jose2005vargas Yet you find it necessary and useful to post a reply to this "useless drivel"? Perhaps you are not totally unaware of the consequences of debunking the official government conspiracy theory?
LordBalto 10 months ago
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fuck ermenia!!!! fuck stupid usa!!!! no we can obama!!!!!! 90 million ataturk!!!!!!
galatasarayHELL 1 year ago
Respect to the guy who is investigating this story. It's great to see how we are all contributing in our own way to get the truth above. I feel connected to you. We are. Thanks.
weareuprising 1 year ago 20
@weareuprising How could they have planted the light poles without people seeing them. You would think that someone would take a video of this with their cellular phones.
dh
doughauf 1 year ago
@doughauf Really....how tha hell are going to stage ALL that in daylight, broken car windshields, knocked over light poles, aircraft wreckage on the lawn? ...and no one sees that? what about the hundred or so eyewitnesess?
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 ..There were witnesses who saw what really hit the Pentagon.They were just pushed away from the area & ignored by most of the media.A few reporters covered there stories.Chris Plante reported that "CONTRARY TO WHAT IS BEING REPORTED" witnesses where he was at did not see a plane,rather a helicopter.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 4/5 of the light poles were probly pulled down b4hand.They just staged the 1 in the cab 4 effect.They did that b4 lettin the media start filming anything.Notice there was no media coverage for about an hour.In that time they staged the lightpole in Lloyde's car,rounded up all witnesses cameras,removed (& possibly detained) any hostile witnesses,etc.They only let insiders talk to media.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau C'mon...be honest with yourself, that was in the morning right off the beltway, full of commuters, ...staged? there were too many witnesses to the fact, plane parts and wreckage laying around....it's really naive to think this was staged
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 ..HAHA.No its really naive to think a huge ass plane hit the Pentagon.
There was barely any wreckage.Nothin a very weak woman couldn't pull out her car trunk. But no GIGANTIC ASS TAIL SECTION.Do do you know how big a tail section to a 757 is? 44 FT 6 IN tall. We're basicly talkin about a big ass medal 3 story house.These things ALWAYS survive.100% of the time.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau the Pentagon is 5 stories tall, solid concrete bldg, an aircraft body is made out of aluminum, like a coke can, going that fast and then hitting something that hard? besides don't look for things like that, look for the heavy parts of the plane, the landing gear for one, which they did find of course and parts of the engine which were also found, the landing gear is what did a lot of damage to the bldg
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 ..Where do you get the idea that they found landing gear,engine parts,etc?Have you seen any of this stuff or were you just told? I haven't.There's pix & video of the crashsite immediately afterwards & there aren't any of these pieces.Sure,there are a few pix of a somewhat big pieces taken later but that was put there earlier or later.Even the reporters there said "Theres no tail section,wing section,fuselage... nothing here that would indicate a plane crashed anywhere near here."
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau I googled "flight 77 landing gear"..lol shows several including a wheel hub and a landing gear
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau ...and if you think the tailsection always survives, you're wrong, it depends on how the crash occured, look at the video hgere on YT of "valujet flight 592", it flew full speed into the ground, just like flight 93 at Shanksville, there virtually nothing left, certainly no large pieces of aircraft body....don't listen to what everyone else says...do your own thinking
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 ..And flight 592 was an EXTREMELY RARE (even suspicious) case.Not the norm.(Also keep in mind that happened in an alligator,bacteria,etc filled swamp & investigators were tryin to wrap that up ASAP).Still..the tail section survives 99% of the time.It not surviving at least in part is extremely improbable.It happening 2 times in a row (including flight 93) is extremely improbable x 100....
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
It happening 2x in the same set of events as the even more improbable (arguably impossible) occurance of the ONLY EVER 2 (consecutive) cases of "global" or "pancake" collapses from fire (WTC 1 & 2) & the only case of fire collapsing a bldg (WTC 7) is ASTRONOMICALLY IMPROBABLE.All that plus a lightpole accidently flyin into the center of man's windshield w/o striking him or damaging the hood of this car...
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau ..Add to that the highly unlikely occurence of hijackers,w/o any insider info,happening to pick the best day they could have possibly picked.A day when NORAD happens to be runnin drills that mirror their attacks & leaves US airspace the most vulnerable.
+ The WTC had just been sold & insured a few months earlier.
+ A abnormally large amount of put options had been put on American Airlines,United Airlines & other effected companies
+ 9/11 = 9-1-1 (Psychological attack)
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
+ The highly unlikely occurence of a successful hijacking x 4 = 100% effectiveness
+ The hijackers flying past the Pentagon,busting a U-Turn & hittin the part of the Pentagon where the Army budget office was killing all the staff workers there(Remember,2.3 trillion had been reported unaccounted for on 9/10/01)
+ The Pentagon being attacked without any prominent people being injured
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau ..I doubt they were aiming for any particular area of the P-gon, they just wanted to hit it...and look I've heard this before, they crashed to destroy paperwork and reports about investigations...So What? do you think that would stop any investigation? all of that information is retreivable, it's not like thats the only copy Ex: you have a court case, you're on trial, the courthouse burns down, you think you're going to walk out of jail because the courthouse burns down?
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau ...No....it won't happen ....and what do you mean by prominant people? like generals and such? Rumsfeld was there that day.....they weren't targeting individuals, it was symbolic
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau the hijackers didn't ned any inside info...inside info for what? tey took over the planes..it's that simple, they were practicing this for years,..have you ever read the 911 Commish Report? ...it goes into a lot of detail about the hijackers, they were planning this since after 1993 bombing Failed...you remember that? ...they tried in '93 to blow up the towers, why do you think it's such a stretch they wouldn't try again?
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
Inside info of the NORAD drills.W/o these drills,the "hijackers" likelihood of success would be slim.They may've hit 1 target b4 being intercepted.The fact that these events coincided is good reason to beleive they had inside info.BUT,then consider the date,9/11,which is a play on 9-1-1,a clear psy ops attack.Hijackers could pick 9-1-1 as a date.They could have had inside NORAD info.But they couldn't have done both.Only govt could coordinate that all cuz they scheduled the drills.Or coincidence?
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau I don't know enough about any NORAD patrols back then, I know they have bases in the vicinity (VA?) but all the 911 attacks happened within what? 2 hours +/-? and there are a LOT of planes in the air flying, so after the First WTC was hit, How would they know what was going to be next? sure they could send up fighter jets, but what plane are you going to shoot down? there'd be too many in the air...
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 ..According to the official story,the FAA gave the Pentagon a 10-15 minute heads up that a plane (flight 77) that had gone off course & was beleived to be hijacked was heading their way at 200mph more than normal. What plane are you goin to shoot down?" IDK,maybe the hijacked one speedin toward your restricted air space,passin it by & bustin a U-Turn to come back that way.Just a thought.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau well when it turned around it was still a long way away, and again...how would anyone KNOW where the plane was going to go?sure you have a plane off course and heading to DC, but how would you ever know for sure where it was heading?
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 ..The Pentagon is the most protected bldg in the world.It has radar systems that detect aircraft coming into their airspace.It has missile launchers all around it,armed helicopters,fighter jets,etc.Even w/o the heads up,any plane should be intercepted or shot down.But with 2 targets already hit & 10-15 minute heads up,the P-gon & White house airspace shoulda been secure,if not all of DC.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau I don't know about all the defense systems you mention, if you look at the whole P0gon complex (google earth) there's not too many places you could have helicopters and such, and too...I'm sure that's a VERY busy air corridor, I mean a helicopter can go up and fly pretty quick, but it's busy around there, missile launchers? IF I had to guess, I'd say they probably have some hand-held type, like Stingers, probably at the WH too...someone could shot them off the roof
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 ..Dude c'mon man.The Pentagon is THE most protected bldg in THE WORLD.Thats not my opinion,thats common knowledge.Look up some videos on the subject.See for yourself.
And don't you think that mentality goes out the window after 2 confirmed attacks?
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau they did retro fit the P-gon, in fact at the time of the attack, that's what they were doing....but as far as helicopters and missile batteries, I don't think have all that...like I said, probably some shoulder-fired types, like at the white house, once in a while you can catch a glimpse of all the stuff on the roof of the WH....snipers, bunkers etc....
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 and what the 911 comm report said was that flight 93, the last plane, was headed for the capitol, the report said bin laden wanted the white house, but atta, said it would be really difficult to hit the WH so the Capitol was selected
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
Dude stop quoting the fuckin 9/11 report.That shit is 95% bullshit.The people that that carried out & profitted royally from 9/11 wrote that bullshit.The head of the 9/11 commish,Tom Kean,is Bush & Cheney's cousin.He's boardmember of an oil company.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau ..Dude do you understand that criminals lie & 9/11 official story defies the law of physics & probability?Imagine what you could get away with if you were able to hire the ppl in charge of investigating you AND completely bend the laws of science & nature to explain yourself.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau Actually they don't, I've read a lot it, combined with that link I sent, you can see how the construction of the towers aided in the collapse
Listen for this to have been an inside job, thousands of people would have to be in on it and the military too..you think that many people could/would do that? and someone would talk...
jimmym1a1 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 9/11 was big money.TRILLIONS of dollars have been made by a select few ppl becuz of it.Billions in aftermath business relief stimulus.Trillions in defense contracts.Hundreds of billions & counting on increased gas & energy prices.Billion dollar oil reserves aquired in the middle east.Hundreds of billions in increased retail prices justified by the forementioned gas increases.Bailout money,land aquisition,privitization of MidEast resources & markets,etc,etc,etc....
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
With that kinda money on the line you could pay a million ppl a million bucks to help out and still have trillions left.If how many ppl would have to be involved is your hangup thats just foolish.Hiring help was the least of their worries.
youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@jimmym1a1 That's what the military exercises were for. They covered every aspect of the attack and, yes, THOUSANDS of people were involved. They just didn't know what they were involved in. The folks who knew could be counted on your two hands. The sad thing is, all this has been known for years. You're just too lazy or too dumb to have bothered to have looked for it.
LordBalto 10 months ago
@LordBalto "The folks who knew could be counted on your two hands."...that's BS....and thousands were envolved but didn't know? ...lmao ...you're blowing smoke
jimmym1a1 10 months ago
@youngdrodeau I dont' think the P-gon would be the most, something more like ft knox or the white house...I think the reason why they were as successful as they were is because of the element of surprise....if you have the fire power, you can ambush a much larger force than yourself....plus these guys were no retards, they did their homework, took "dry-runs" to see how the planes and crew operate, they were siting in first class, that's like 6 feet away from the cock pit door
jimmym1a1 1 year ago