idc what ppl might say but these two are the closests to Jordan and Pippen the NBA is going to see for a while I thinc Durant and Harden will be that when the thunder realizes Harden Potential but these two are the closest to jordan-pip or joe n isaiah
@westt34 Haha, I was trying to be Charles Barkley. He used to always say on Inside the NBA that "Larry Bird is rolling around in his grave" or something like that.
My man "D- Fish".. Let's get this thing done. A little tired the last time around. Everybody's healthy and rested. Its payback time. One more ring, and watch his jersey go into the rafters. And I'm satified with that..
@2IAN4 Are u fuckin serious. Your team`s own coach said he would take Howard over anyone else in the league. I think people will stop taking u serious (actually no1 does) after saying Howard ain`t the best. U just don`t know basketball, without a dominant big men u can`t win, don`t matter how many good perimeter players, eg. Miami Heat. U need to open your eyes and learn the game before actually talking about it.
@Cheema0113 guess what without a dominating guard you wouldn't win shit either.. and kobe has 6 rings.. howard has none, and the last time kobe and howard meet? kobe fuckin gave an exhibition of his skills.
so with howard you can win? hmmm.. what did howard win exactly kid? lol you are way to easy and stupid for your own good faggot!
howard isn't even better than kobe in post moves and he's the best center today, even that should tell you that you're talking out of your ass. lol
@2IAN4 Correction Kobe has 5 rings, did Kobe let u have overtime session with his dick or something for u to say that, LOL. And those rings Kobe won were because he had dominant post players in Shaq and Gasol. Hakeem won championships with way less talent around him than Kobe. And atleast Howard made the finals with no star on his team. When Kobe was in a similar situation he didn`t even make the playoffs and proceeded to choke in the second round the year after.
@Cheema0113 the same jibber jabber, kobe won because of his teammates.. lol yeah cause kobe didn't score shit in those rings, lol that's getting old now punk.. Kobe's the player of the decade, you can't really say shit about him without making a complete fool of your self.
Kobe had kwame brown and smush, howard had jameer, hedo, lewis, they're bench was packed.. but then again you'll just5 dick ride any player.
how does it feel anyway when kobe keeps rapin the league? lol
@Cheema0113 oh the old kobe ride shaq. lol you do know statistically speaking kobe has more rebound and assists in those 3 pts. and even if you don't count those three kobe still has 2 rings.. more than dwight and lechoke's ringless assess!
so you think Howard is the best player n the world right now? hahahahahahahahahaha
this guy dor sure doesn't play basketball. howard is great defensively.. not gonna take away anything from him.
but best players? kobe>wade>lebron>dirk>rose>howard low IQ!
@Cheema0113 Yeah, and you don't know the value of the TEAM. A big man alone can't do shit. A guard alone can't do shit. There are occasional exceptions, but rarely.
@Cheema0113 Scottie said he could potentially be better, and after the playoffs.. that's not even gonna happen.. DUDE stop bitching around. lol he had #23 because of mike.. everyone that had 23 after mike did it cause they wannabe mike.. and LIKE EVERYBODY that had 23.. thay aren't even close, Including lechoke!
You can see that happenin if you aren't actuall y a nerd who says in your house all day long masturbatin. lmfao
dude there's like 3 vids about players and legends sayin kobe is the best
@2IAN4 U just completely left Oscar Robertson`s comment off the table. If u going to argue, atleast argue well. And I would like to know the 3 players that say Kobe is the best alltime.
@2IAN4 Oscar said Lebron is at a whole level above MJ.
If u talking about the best in the league right now, Dwight is the best. But there have been many former Lakers like Jerry West and Magic Johnson who have said that Lebron is better than Kobe.
He might be a good defender. BUt dwight can't do the following: Make mid range jumpers, 3 pointers, free throws. Dwight only has a couple moves along with his dunking but thats all.
Dwight = no skill whatsever .
Shaq: actually had decent skill for a bigman but none of these guys compare to Yao in terms of raw skill for that size.
@ribnarak U see, u only manage skill. U ignore dominance. While Yao had better postmoves and a better shot than Shaq and Dwight, he was no where near as dominant. Shaq basicly used one move which was the tear drop, but it was UNSTOPPABLE. Samething with Kobe and Lebron, Kobe has more "skill" in terms of shooting and fadeaway, but Lebron is more dominant in terms of his atleticism which allows him to rebound better, drive better.
@2IAN4 U can`t say dat, u never seen Oscar play. Older generation folks will all say that Oscar was better. PLus MJ`s own teammate let him down infront of the media.
@Cheema0113 AHHHHHHHHH......bring Oscar in the the generation of the 80s and 90s and the new millennium where a team has 7 footers and jordan is more athletic and he is probaly the most clutch player to date....AHHHH so JORDAN>OSCAR
@Cheema0113 he's made more game winners in his career? last time i check kobe has 23 and lebron probably has less than wade.. so about 11-15.. not even gonna google that! and you can't even argue 8pts in a finals game.. you're trying to argue that a 2 time MVP who scored 8pts in a finals game is CLUTCH??? really?
and i'm the one that's embarrassing myself? HAHAHA
bitch you'd be better off sayin ray allen is clutch than LEFAG! Not even have the slightest reputation of being clutch. lol
Lebron/Kobe comparisons are weak for one Lebron is a forward. You should be comparing Wade/Kobe hence they are two of the best shooting guard in the league. Kobe has had an awesome career playing with best big man in the game with Shaq,Gasol that could explain the 5 rings(he is clutch too) and Lebron playing with at best as far big man go are Bosh who is good but no superstar.
@Cheema0113 lbj never missed a game winner cause he only score 8 pts in one game in the finals, and average 3 quarters.. come on dude, you act like it's not out in the open that lbj chokes! everybody knows that by now.. you seriously gonna fuckin go on a debate about being clutch? against KOBE? he isn't called the closer for nothing.. and game winners is half the story! clutch moments may come from the last 5 mins onwards, and kobe is the closer.. not fuckin 8pts!
@Cheema0113 game winners needs timing.. even chuck said it's rare, you must have a tie score to have em count as game winner, and if the teams foul after that and you get freethrows it's not a game winner.. so kobe has miss his last 5, check his game winner totals then.. and pls NOBODY in the world calls lechoke the closer.. reggie calls kobe the closer, and 95% of the league.. lol
"Kobe is probably the one guy you can't stop in this league"-pierce
typical argument from fans whose teams suck, "rings dont mean anything" yes they do is a mixture of a superstar and rings, great superstar charles barkley 0 rings great superstar michael jordan 6 rings, there in the difference
@FinalKillswitch yeah. but so did lebron . but lebron might have had a worse team then kobe did. so you can't specifically say that kobe is better because his team won a championship.
@MrThekikster i agree. but sometimes it comes down to if he's on his game or not. players' have bad nights and maybe for lebron , he's had alot in the playoffs. if you see his season gameplay, you can tell that's championship worthy.
@MultiTaylorGang412 that's true. a player's goal is a ring(s). but shall we rank players according to their rings. i know many all-star players with no rings and i know many couple minute players who have rings. should we say that those all-star players are worse? never...
how come everyone says kobe is better then lebron because he has more rings. i'm not saying that lebron's better but more rings doesn't necessarily mean better player. derek fisher has 5 rings , lebron has none. if derek fisher is better then lebron, kill me now
@Blackhandles Heh, no. The usage of "reductive" I had in mind was this: "Tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form, esp. one viewed as crude." I just meant that when comparing Kobe and Lebron, too many people oversimplify (*reduce* the argument to being about rings, or points, or whatever).
@emmaknightley For all of you saying LeBron is better, u have got to be kidding me? Did you watch the finals? Now don't get me wrong, I think LeBron is a great player, but he doesn't have "IT." He doesn't have what Jordan and Kobe have, which is that amazing will to win in the face of adversity. He straight up chocked it away in the finals. Without that "IT" factor, he will never be considered better then either Jordan or Kobe.
@SuperTubingYou well Sam Jones (who?) has 10 rings Robert Horry has 7, Its not all about the rings, its about the main guys that got them those rings. For Sam Jones it was Bill Russell, for Horry it was Olajuwan Shaq/Kobe and Timmy. So what im trying to point out is that being the most talented player in the league means shit if you can't lead a star studded team to a championship.
@SuperTubingYou its just people being ignorant... and the reason they dont mention D-Fish is because hes not an MVP player like Kobe and LeBron, so its pointless to compare the two!
And Adam Morrisson has 2 more rings then LeBron, But Adam is just the WORST!
@SuperTubingYou I agree with you, but can't really compare a point guard and a small forward... but anyway, artest has more rings than lebron but lebron is 10 times better
@SuperTubingYou Kobe is a better player and the amount of rings proves hes been to the finals and has been able to lead his team to victory. Lebron has yet to do so and everyones counter argument was that he didnt have a great team behind him like kobe. That was proven wrong this year when lebron choked to the mavs and he had 2 SUPER stars on his team.
@jpzero11 well who got swept by the Mavs? Mavs were the better team this year, at least the heat went to the finals and won 2 games from the mavs while the lakers got swept by the Mavs, let's not forget that the Lakers have the same roster for at least four years while this is the big three's first year.
@moperorz Lol the lakers are really old man. I dont know if you have noticed but they arnt the fastest or strongest team anymore. The thing still stands, Kobe already has championships. Lebron cant coast on the fact that he doesnt have a team anymore. They choked in the finals thats all there is to say. Next year if they dont win what will be your excuse? that they only have been playing together for 2 years? Also the big 3 are veteran players, they should be albe to sync in one season
@SuperTubingYou totally agree, by that standard Bill Russell is the greatest off all time. Some people actually think that too. Check his stats, barely avg 15pts a game for his career. Never avg more than 20pts for a season. Stat wise Lebron edges Kobe but lets be honest, as of now Lebron has shown little heart and is not a leader. Will he... maybe...probably. But until he does it consistently Kobe gets my nod.
@XxBLKMAMBAxX i wanna see derek fisher carry a team for seasons...like LeBron did in Cleveland....LeBron can play...and as for the 4th quarter crap, Miami has D.Wade to do that....and maybe for a play or two, Bosh. lol.
@supramano8 WOW!! Shaq was the most dominant player ever. And u do know that Shaq won Koe`s first 3 rings for him right? How can u forget that. I know Shaq has been pretty bad last couple of deasons but Shaq was a monster compared to Kobe in their primes.
@Cheema0113 shaq is far from the most dominant player EVER. i don't doubt that shaq was the #1 player in kobe's first 3 championships..but i feel like you have to look at their entire career to see who's the better player. Kobe has more championships, he's the more well-rounded player, he's more clutch than shaq, he plays better defense and he works harder than shaq ever did. Shaq wanted to be loved by the fans..you can tell by the way he approaches the media. Kobe just wants to win
@supramano8 Name me a player who was more dominant than Shaq when he was with LA. And no way did Kobe ever play better play defense than Shaq. A big man is the most important piece to a team`s defence, a perimeter player can only play on the perimeter. Shaq played at the heart, inside where all the layups, rebounds happen. And you just admitted that Shaq was better in Kobe`s first 3 rings. So in reality Shaq has 3 rings as the man and Kobe only has 2 if u wanna play with the ring category.
@Cheema0113 are you going to tell me that just because kobe was a perimeter player he's less of a defender than shaq? does that make EVERY center to ever play the game a better defender? no. the sign of a great player is accepting their role..look what happened to shaq after he stopped being the best player on the team. he crumbled and caused problems for everybody. Kobe understood his role those first 3 rings and he took over whenever shaq couldn't because shaq's not clutch
@supramano8 Shaq is not clutch? Shaq is more clutch than Kobe what proof u got that Shaq is not clutch. And centers will always have more value than guards, its just the way it is. Thats why there are so many good guards in the game and probably only one good center in the game.
@Cheema0113 how about the fact that phil jackson would take shaq out at the end of games because he was a liability? Who would you rather have taking a last shot shaq or kobe? you foul kobe he makes those 2 free throws..shaq makes 1 of 2. Shaq was dominant, but once his body deteriorated he was done. Kobe was dominant, and as his body is deteriorating he's adapting to keep himself above everybody else
@supramano8 Phil would take shaq out of games at the end because of the hack-a-shaq. Teams would intentionally foul him because of his poor freethrow shooting. That don`t mean he ain`t clutch, it is shown around the league how some of the bigger guys in the league are the worst foul shooters, shaq, Howard, ben wallace, dampier, haywood, etc. If im down by one or tied I would give the ball to Shaq, if im down 2 or more I would give it to ....Derek Fisher. I have never trusted Kobe in lategame
@supramano8 Kobe always finds a way to choke at the end ESPECIALLY in the playoffs. He has only hit 1 gamewinner in his playoff career, Lebron has actually hit more than that. To make it even worst he has missed his last 5 gamewinner attempts in the playoffs. To me Fisher is the most clutch player on the lakers. And Shaq was the most dominant player ever on that Laker run, you have yet to provide a counter for that. I remember finals back in the day when Shaq was dropin 40+ and Kobe below 20.
@Cheema0113 you could just look at their career playoff stats to see who's scored more. it's a pretty well-known fact that kobe is more clutch than shaq and if you don't agree you're pretty much just disagreeing with everybody. and you say shaq's a better defender? how about his 3 second team all-nba defense teams to kobe's 2 all second teams..but WAIT kobe has NINE first team all defensive..he has no glaring holes in his game like shaq did
@supramano8 In Shaq`s prime years (9seasons) in LA AND MAgic, Shaq never averaged under 25ppg 10rpg and 50% fg% in any post season. Kobe on the other hand averaged 25 ppg in 8 season but has never shot over 50% in any of those postseasons. Kobe being clutch is just a media propoganda, he has only hit 1 gamewinner in the playoffs and shoots only 40% in the Finals. Is this guy supposed to be clutch? And first team defence is only media hype. And im still waiting for MDP over shaq.
@Cheema0113 so..you're trying to tell me that shaq played in a small city and never got media exposure..which is why he never got on a first team defense? and yes shaq was probably the most dominant player in those 3 years as a laker..but that doesnt' mean he's a better player. fastforward 2 years after shaq left kobe was JUST as dominating. he single-handedly took over games but it was wasted on shit teams. but we're talking careers here..and kobe definitely had the better CAREER.
@supramano8 Fast forward 2 years, Shaq won another ring, while Kobe didn`t even make the playoffs and then got knocked out by the suns in the 2nd round. You are contradicting yourself since you seem to be all about rings.
@Cheema0113 if you want that..shaq did it once without kobe..kobe did it twice without shaq. if you want to base off of rings- shaq-4 kobe -5. simple as that. you can't compare them 1v1 because they're completely different players..but whose career will people look back on and remember better? Shaq, the guy who once he deteriorated decided he'd rather go championship hunting, or kobe who's going to be a laker for life and win at least 1 more championship.
@Cheema0113 shaq could never lead a team by himself. he needs a great perimeter player around him, which is proven by the championships he's won. Shaq wasn't as committed, he has maybe 5 years in his career where he REALLY tried. Shaq SHOULD have been the best player to play the game he had all the tools to do it. but he never had the drive for it
@supramano8 Same can be said for Kobe. Kobe needed a post player to win rings, couldn`t do it byhimself. Shaq may or may not be the best ever, but he was definatly better than Kobe.
@SuperTubingYou Luke Walton and Brian Scalabrine has more rings than LeBron..but are they any good? So you're right. People should stop trying to bring up all those ring jokes.
@SuperTubingYou Yeah but when you have two talented players and one of them has won a championship (the object of playing, which a lot of people forget) I think that definitly makes you better. Any time someone is stuffing the stat sheet and not winning it is either A. trying to look good and doing too much B. lack of good teammates
i used to think it was a little bit of both for LeBron, but he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh on his team and he didn't win a championship.
@SuperTubingYou No but when it comes to superstars and leadership plus all the intangibles rings measure greatness why do u think theres so much pressure on kobe to get 6 to tie jordan...
@SuperTubingYou I'm a Kobe fan but LeBron is the better player....NOW. Kobe in his prime and LeBron now, Kobe beats him by a longshot. But Kobe will go down in history as the better player than LeBron. Kobe is the man of his team and won 2 (without Shaq--although Shaq wouldn't have won without Kobe) and 3 more. When you're the man of the team, championships do factor in when deciding who is the better player.
@SuperTubingYou ok ok ok i understand but here would be the better term kobe had led his team to more rings kobe has more mvp titles kobe is more of a shooting threat kobe is more dangerous and more consistent than lebron is
@SuperTubingYou This argument is mainly used for two superstars not role player and superstars. Most good players are on a talented team at some point in their career its what they do with it that defines there greatness. Lebron should have a championship by now that is why he is looked down on by so many fans he has multiple good teams and has flaked in the playoffs. I love how you use this argument a 5 yr old could come up with and act like it is such a clever argument
@emmaknightley@231994C Thanks for recognize it. Nine times out of ten I comment in portuguese and there's a lot of ignorants here calling me of mexican, shit, I'm brazilian, I speak portuguese, lol. But that's okay.
Oh yeah, in my comment I said that I'm left handed too and I always try to shoot like Fisher but I can't, it's hard as hell, you know?! lol
back when fish made shots
Geo6125 2 weeks ago
@Geo6125 today... haha
leo1fun 1 week ago
More pump fakes please
flashxm1 1 month ago
S.W.A.G.
betonyourmuse 1 month ago
they do this all the time in nba lol
OJDanny 2 months ago
idc what ppl might say but these two are the closests to Jordan and Pippen the NBA is going to see for a while I thinc Durant and Harden will be that when the thunder realizes Harden Potential but these two are the closest to jordan-pip or joe n isaiah
westt34 2 months ago
@westt34 LOL!!!
am88ification 2 months ago
@westt34 Scottie Pippen is rolling around in his grave right now!
emmaknightley 2 months ago 3
@emmaknightley scottie pippen isnt dead -_- nice try tho
westt34 2 months ago 11
@westt34 Haha, I was trying to be Charles Barkley. He used to always say on Inside the NBA that "Larry Bird is rolling around in his grave" or something like that.
emmaknightley 2 months ago 4
@westt34 legends never die my friend
snessespe 1 month ago
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koybeatsdex 2 months ago
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koybeatsdex 2 months ago
@kobeBestPlayerever they play two totally different positions so they're not even comparable... so stfu
lilticklez 2 months ago
dfish said "the illluminati is starting to kick in" (its a joke, dont cry)
UncleEmSaw8 3 months ago 21
@UncleEmSaw8 lmaooo
xXxKiIluminatixXx 2 months ago
My man "D- Fish".. Let's get this thing done. A little tired the last time around. Everybody's healthy and rested. Its payback time. One more ring, and watch his jersey go into the rafters. And I'm satified with that..
trojanluck88 3 months ago
He is left handed, FUCK YEA.
jaagupcool6 3 months ago
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andy4eva2 3 months ago
@supramano8 , okay , if you hadn't checked the previous comments i've had with others, we were discussing lebron and derek fisher.
SuperTubingYou 3 months ago
@supramano8 , ofcourse ,, i agree . but skillwise are lebron and derek fisher really that close?
SuperTubingYou 3 months ago
@SuperTubingYou no...who ever said they were close?
supramano8 3 months ago
@ :06 it looks like he gets blocked by nothing lol
MrDevonj71 3 months ago
@2IAN4 Are u fuckin serious. Your team`s own coach said he would take Howard over anyone else in the league. I think people will stop taking u serious (actually no1 does) after saying Howard ain`t the best. U just don`t know basketball, without a dominant big men u can`t win, don`t matter how many good perimeter players, eg. Miami Heat. U need to open your eyes and learn the game before actually talking about it.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 dude, Howard isnt even close to top 10 of NBA's best, unless you are talking about right now
SuperCitrusFruit 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 dude, Howard isnt even close to top 10 of NBA's best, unless you are talking about right now
SuperCitrusFruit 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 guess what without a dominating guard you wouldn't win shit either.. and kobe has 6 rings.. howard has none, and the last time kobe and howard meet? kobe fuckin gave an exhibition of his skills.
so with howard you can win? hmmm.. what did howard win exactly kid? lol you are way to easy and stupid for your own good faggot!
howard isn't even better than kobe in post moves and he's the best center today, even that should tell you that you're talking out of your ass. lol
2IAN4 3 months ago
@2IAN4 Correction Kobe has 5 rings, did Kobe let u have overtime session with his dick or something for u to say that, LOL. And those rings Kobe won were because he had dominant post players in Shaq and Gasol. Hakeem won championships with way less talent around him than Kobe. And atleast Howard made the finals with no star on his team. When Kobe was in a similar situation he didn`t even make the playoffs and proceeded to choke in the second round the year after.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 the same jibber jabber, kobe won because of his teammates.. lol yeah cause kobe didn't score shit in those rings, lol that's getting old now punk.. Kobe's the player of the decade, you can't really say shit about him without making a complete fool of your self.
Kobe had kwame brown and smush, howard had jameer, hedo, lewis, they're bench was packed.. but then again you'll just5 dick ride any player.
how does it feel anyway when kobe keeps rapin the league? lol
2IAN4 3 months ago
What an awkward wink.
Crunkisthefunk 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 oh the old kobe ride shaq. lol you do know statistically speaking kobe has more rebound and assists in those 3 pts. and even if you don't count those three kobe still has 2 rings.. more than dwight and lechoke's ringless assess!
so you think Howard is the best player n the world right now? hahahahahahahahahaha
this guy dor sure doesn't play basketball. howard is great defensively.. not gonna take away anything from him.
but best players? kobe>wade>lebron>dirk>rose>howard low IQ!
2IAN4 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 Yeah, and you don't know the value of the TEAM. A big man alone can't do shit. A guard alone can't do shit. There are occasional exceptions, but rarely.
stanbreh34 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 Scottie said he could potentially be better, and after the playoffs.. that's not even gonna happen.. DUDE stop bitching around. lol he had #23 because of mike.. everyone that had 23 after mike did it cause they wannabe mike.. and LIKE EVERYBODY that had 23.. thay aren't even close, Including lechoke!
You can see that happenin if you aren't actuall y a nerd who says in your house all day long masturbatin. lmfao
dude there's like 3 vids about players and legends sayin kobe is the best
2IAN4 4 months ago
@2IAN4 U just completely left Oscar Robertson`s comment off the table. If u going to argue, atleast argue well. And I would like to know the 3 players that say Kobe is the best alltime.
Cheema0113 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 did i say all time? why what's special of Oscar's comment?
Mj: Kobe Lebron.. KOBE.
give it up.
2IAN4 4 months ago
@2IAN4 Oscar said Lebron is at a whole level above MJ.
If u talking about the best in the league right now, Dwight is the best. But there have been many former Lakers like Jerry West and Magic Johnson who have said that Lebron is better than Kobe.
Cheema0113 4 months ago
@Cheema0113
dwight the best? Lmfao. get out of here.
He might be a good defender. BUt dwight can't do the following: Make mid range jumpers, 3 pointers, free throws. Dwight only has a couple moves along with his dunking but thats all.
Dwight = no skill whatsever .
Shaq: actually had decent skill for a bigman but none of these guys compare to Yao in terms of raw skill for that size.
ribnarak 4 months ago
@ribnarak U see, u only manage skill. U ignore dominance. While Yao had better postmoves and a better shot than Shaq and Dwight, he was no where near as dominant. Shaq basicly used one move which was the tear drop, but it was UNSTOPPABLE. Samething with Kobe and Lebron, Kobe has more "skill" in terms of shooting and fadeaway, but Lebron is more dominant in terms of his atleticism which allows him to rebound better, drive better.
Cheema0113 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 MJ said kobe is better. and mj>oscar
2IAN4 4 months ago
@2IAN4 U can`t say dat, u never seen Oscar play. Older generation folks will all say that Oscar was better. PLus MJ`s own teammate let him down infront of the media.
Cheema0113 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 AHHHHHHHHH......bring Oscar in the the generation of the 80s and 90s and the new millennium where a team has 7 footers and jordan is more athletic and he is probaly the most clutch player to date....AHHHH so JORDAN>OSCAR
hitop109 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 he's made more game winners in his career? last time i check kobe has 23 and lebron probably has less than wade.. so about 11-15.. not even gonna google that! and you can't even argue 8pts in a finals game.. you're trying to argue that a 2 time MVP who scored 8pts in a finals game is CLUTCH??? really?
and i'm the one that's embarrassing myself? HAHAHA
bitch you'd be better off sayin ray allen is clutch than LEFAG! Not even have the slightest reputation of being clutch. lol
2IAN4 4 months ago
Lebron/Kobe comparisons are weak for one Lebron is a forward. You should be comparing Wade/Kobe hence they are two of the best shooting guard in the league. Kobe has had an awesome career playing with best big man in the game with Shaq,Gasol that could explain the 5 rings(he is clutch too) and Lebron playing with at best as far big man go are Bosh who is good but no superstar.
JayCookanator 4 months ago
@JayCookanator Wade > Lebron..
cama2003 4 months ago
Why is Lebron being talked about in a video where his presence isnt even being felt?
bodidawson37 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 lbj never missed a game winner cause he only score 8 pts in one game in the finals, and average 3 quarters.. come on dude, you act like it's not out in the open that lbj chokes! everybody knows that by now.. you seriously gonna fuckin go on a debate about being clutch? against KOBE? he isn't called the closer for nothing.. and game winners is half the story! clutch moments may come from the last 5 mins onwards, and kobe is the closer.. not fuckin 8pts!
2IAN4 4 months ago
@2IAN4 Name me 2 gamewinners Kobe has nailed in the playoffs. Don`t worry, I`ll be waiting my friend.
Cheema0113 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 game winners needs timing.. even chuck said it's rare, you must have a tie score to have em count as game winner, and if the teams foul after that and you get freethrows it's not a game winner.. so kobe has miss his last 5, check his game winner totals then.. and pls NOBODY in the world calls lechoke the closer.. reggie calls kobe the closer, and 95% of the league.. lol
"Kobe is probably the one guy you can't stop in this league"-pierce
2IAN4 4 months ago
...kobe is still an adulterer
MexicanKingTut 4 months ago
@MexicanKingTut yeah, too bad it has nothing to do with basketball. lol
2IAN4 4 months ago
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mikemcdo42 4 months ago
kobe has better footwork than lebron, kobe is a better shooter than lebron
mikemcdo42 4 months ago
In terms of clutch ability, Derek is way better than Lebron... that's why he has 5 rings along with Kobe... he hits big shots
davidiamyou 4 months ago 18
@davidiamyou Yeah Derek is more clutch than Kobe aswell.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@davidiamyou i bet that felt good didn't it? Pls don't ever compare Lebron to fisher, not as a lebron fan, but as a NBA fan.
zyndall7 3 months ago
@davidiamyou Except Derek can't create his own shots in clutch time. He's a spot up shooter. Someone has to do the work then hand it to him.
kanguesso 3 months ago
@kanguesso yeah bro its called teamwork.....
BIAXlD3NT 3 months ago
@BIAXlD3NT Yeah, i forgot that Basketball was a "team sport".
kanguesso 3 months ago
@g0rd008 how the hell you know what i look like
darkinferno1219 5 months ago
Why is derrick Fisher Cheesing after his shot he should follow it up to the hoop in case he gets the boards.Cant Always rely on your fowards
xEliteFtw 5 months ago
@SuperTubingyou yeah but without Kobe would fisher have 5 rings....Exactly
MTIPSMUSIC 5 months ago
derek fisher is more cluth than lebron!! no doubt about it!
g0rd008 5 months ago
@g0rd008 but lebron has better english than you!! No doubt about it
darkinferno1219 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you heard the net snap after the ball went in :D!
MrBreezy310 5 months ago
derek to kobe: "cya later at the hotel"
TheJamzxy 5 months ago
i love his jumpshot
THAgodfather55 5 months ago
Fisher is underated
madude04 5 months ago
Getting the ring is not everything but when you have a bunch of them, yes it does kind of tip the scales in your favor.
clubhouseme 5 months ago
Fish :"that's 1 more hr of me on top tnight" XD
ValleyManLHW 5 months ago
typical argument from fans whose teams suck, "rings dont mean anything" yes they do is a mixture of a superstar and rings, great superstar charles barkley 0 rings great superstar michael jordan 6 rings, there in the difference
jgsarchangel 5 months ago
It's amazing how 262,313 people spent 0:22 seconds of their life to see someone wink
gellosir 6 months ago
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zacht7071 6 months ago
IN MY BOOK, ANYONE IS BETTER THAN LEBRON
ME: EY LEBRON!
LEBRON: YEAH?
ME:GOTTA DOLLAR?
LEBRON: NAA MAN I GOT 3 QUARTERS THOUGH!
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zacht7071 6 months ago
@zacht7071 You suck..
henrimart7 6 months ago
@FinalKillswitch yeah. but so did lebron . but lebron might have had a worse team then kobe did. so you can't specifically say that kobe is better because his team won a championship.
SuperTubingYou 6 months ago
@MrThekikster i agree. but sometimes it comes down to if he's on his game or not. players' have bad nights and maybe for lebron , he's had alot in the playoffs. if you see his season gameplay, you can tell that's championship worthy.
SuperTubingYou 6 months ago
@MultiTaylorGang412 that's true. a player's goal is a ring(s). but shall we rank players according to their rings. i know many all-star players with no rings and i know many couple minute players who have rings. should we say that those all-star players are worse? never...
SuperTubingYou 6 months ago
Kobe with a pass???
20yrsofgreatness 6 months ago
@cherylagh sure. brian scalabrine is worse then kobe then..
SuperTubingYou 6 months ago
how come everyone says kobe is better then lebron because he has more rings. i'm not saying that lebron's better but more rings doesn't necessarily mean better player. derek fisher has 5 rings , lebron has none. if derek fisher is better then lebron, kill me now
SuperTubingYou 6 months ago 47
@SuperTubingYou LOL Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron.. WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TOO XD
DestinyMaster12 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou I agree, that argument is reductive and stupid.
emmaknightley 6 months ago 21
@emmaknightley What the hell? It's redundant not reductive.
Blackhandles 6 months ago 17
@Blackhandles What is redundant about it? Or do you mean it seems repetitive because a lot of people argue it?
emmaknightley 5 months ago
@emmaknightley Reductive means to make smaller. Redundant is the word you're looking for.
Blackhandles 5 months ago
@Blackhandles Heh, no. The usage of "reductive" I had in mind was this: "Tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form, esp. one viewed as crude." I just meant that when comparing Kobe and Lebron, too many people oversimplify (*reduce* the argument to being about rings, or points, or whatever).
emmaknightley 1 month ago
PS: You can find that definition in Google by using the "define" function.
emmaknightley 1 month ago
@emmaknightley Lol way to respond 4 months later like I give a fuck anymore.
Blackhandles 1 month ago
@Blackhandles You don't give a fuck about learning a new word? Kids these days...
emmaknightley 1 month ago
@emmaknightley nevertheless kobe is still better than lebron. THERE IS NO NEED FOR ARGUMENT
0114kiven 5 months ago
@emmaknightley For all of you saying LeBron is better, u have got to be kidding me? Did you watch the finals? Now don't get me wrong, I think LeBron is a great player, but he doesn't have "IT." He doesn't have what Jordan and Kobe have, which is that amazing will to win in the face of adversity. He straight up chocked it away in the finals. Without that "IT" factor, he will never be considered better then either Jordan or Kobe.
09shamsabadis 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou haha green lantern has more rings than lebron.. & by the way, green lantern only has one ring LOL!!
bryllesia 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou people say it because a player of their caliber should have rings....a lot of players have more than lebron
MrThekikster 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou fisher is better than lebron
cherylagh 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou The reason why so many people say that is because without Kobe they wouldn't have done it. Kobe led them.
FinalKillswitch 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou I know right. People make the same argument in baseball which is even worse. As if baseball is a team sport.
DjRalfy 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou He's more clutch then LeBron and more experienced. Good enough for me
lilmijo619 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou well Sam Jones (who?) has 10 rings Robert Horry has 7, Its not all about the rings, its about the main guys that got them those rings. For Sam Jones it was Bill Russell, for Horry it was Olajuwan Shaq/Kobe and Timmy. So what im trying to point out is that being the most talented player in the league means shit if you can't lead a star studded team to a championship.
MrAlexftw 6 months ago
@SuperTubingYou its just people being ignorant... and the reason they dont mention D-Fish is because hes not an MVP player like Kobe and LeBron, so its pointless to compare the two!
And Adam Morrisson has 2 more rings then LeBron, But Adam is just the WORST!
FredFredBurger5 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou Die, cuz 4th quarter lebron got nothing on fisher HAHAAAaaAAAAAaa~
DemonXY2J 5 months ago
@DemonXY2J Lebron still better than Kobe in 4rth.
Cheema0113 4 months ago
@Cheema0113 -_-
DemonXY2J 4 months ago
@SuperTubingYou I agree with you, but can't really compare a point guard and a small forward... but anyway, artest has more rings than lebron but lebron is 10 times better
MrPhotoshop997 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou Adam Morrison also have more rings than LBJ, I know rings are not everything but... LOL
KBfanMiko 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou i like how you ended it hahah "kill me now" lol
MrBFVL 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou Kobe is a better player and the amount of rings proves hes been to the finals and has been able to lead his team to victory. Lebron has yet to do so and everyones counter argument was that he didnt have a great team behind him like kobe. That was proven wrong this year when lebron choked to the mavs and he had 2 SUPER stars on his team.
jpzero11 5 months ago
@jpzero11 well who got swept by the Mavs? Mavs were the better team this year, at least the heat went to the finals and won 2 games from the mavs while the lakers got swept by the Mavs, let's not forget that the Lakers have the same roster for at least four years while this is the big three's first year.
moperorz 5 months ago
@moperorz Lol the lakers are really old man. I dont know if you have noticed but they arnt the fastest or strongest team anymore. The thing still stands, Kobe already has championships. Lebron cant coast on the fact that he doesnt have a team anymore. They choked in the finals thats all there is to say. Next year if they dont win what will be your excuse? that they only have been playing together for 2 years? Also the big 3 are veteran players, they should be albe to sync in one season
jpzero11 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou totally agree, by that standard Bill Russell is the greatest off all time. Some people actually think that too. Check his stats, barely avg 15pts a game for his career. Never avg more than 20pts for a season. Stat wise Lebron edges Kobe but lets be honest, as of now Lebron has shown little heart and is not a leader. Will he... maybe...probably. But until he does it consistently Kobe gets my nod.
r1cw 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou but derek is more clutch than lebron lol
TheJamzxy 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou well derek fisher shows up in the Finals, while Lebron does not.
XxBLKMAMBAxX 5 months ago
@XxBLKMAMBAxX i wanna see derek fisher carry a team for seasons...like LeBron did in Cleveland....LeBron can play...and as for the 4th quarter crap, Miami has D.Wade to do that....and maybe for a play or two, Bosh. lol.
streetchaos135 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou but when 2 players are compared..who are close skillwise, it's the rings that separate them.
supramano8 5 months ago 6
@supramano8 U sayin Kobe is better than Shaq? because Kobe does have more rings than him.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 yeah..i would say kobe has had a better career than shaq
supramano8 3 months ago
@supramano8 WOW!! Shaq was the most dominant player ever. And u do know that Shaq won Koe`s first 3 rings for him right? How can u forget that. I know Shaq has been pretty bad last couple of deasons but Shaq was a monster compared to Kobe in their primes.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 shaq is far from the most dominant player EVER. i don't doubt that shaq was the #1 player in kobe's first 3 championships..but i feel like you have to look at their entire career to see who's the better player. Kobe has more championships, he's the more well-rounded player, he's more clutch than shaq, he plays better defense and he works harder than shaq ever did. Shaq wanted to be loved by the fans..you can tell by the way he approaches the media. Kobe just wants to win
supramano8 3 months ago
@supramano8 Name me a player who was more dominant than Shaq when he was with LA. And no way did Kobe ever play better play defense than Shaq. A big man is the most important piece to a team`s defence, a perimeter player can only play on the perimeter. Shaq played at the heart, inside where all the layups, rebounds happen. And you just admitted that Shaq was better in Kobe`s first 3 rings. So in reality Shaq has 3 rings as the man and Kobe only has 2 if u wanna play with the ring category.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 are you going to tell me that just because kobe was a perimeter player he's less of a defender than shaq? does that make EVERY center to ever play the game a better defender? no. the sign of a great player is accepting their role..look what happened to shaq after he stopped being the best player on the team. he crumbled and caused problems for everybody. Kobe understood his role those first 3 rings and he took over whenever shaq couldn't because shaq's not clutch
supramano8 3 months ago
@supramano8 Shaq is not clutch? Shaq is more clutch than Kobe what proof u got that Shaq is not clutch. And centers will always have more value than guards, its just the way it is. Thats why there are so many good guards in the game and probably only one good center in the game.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 how about the fact that phil jackson would take shaq out at the end of games because he was a liability? Who would you rather have taking a last shot shaq or kobe? you foul kobe he makes those 2 free throws..shaq makes 1 of 2. Shaq was dominant, but once his body deteriorated he was done. Kobe was dominant, and as his body is deteriorating he's adapting to keep himself above everybody else
supramano8 3 months ago
@supramano8 Phil would take shaq out of games at the end because of the hack-a-shaq. Teams would intentionally foul him because of his poor freethrow shooting. That don`t mean he ain`t clutch, it is shown around the league how some of the bigger guys in the league are the worst foul shooters, shaq, Howard, ben wallace, dampier, haywood, etc. If im down by one or tied I would give the ball to Shaq, if im down 2 or more I would give it to ....Derek Fisher. I have never trusted Kobe in lategame
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@supramano8 Kobe always finds a way to choke at the end ESPECIALLY in the playoffs. He has only hit 1 gamewinner in his playoff career, Lebron has actually hit more than that. To make it even worst he has missed his last 5 gamewinner attempts in the playoffs. To me Fisher is the most clutch player on the lakers. And Shaq was the most dominant player ever on that Laker run, you have yet to provide a counter for that. I remember finals back in the day when Shaq was dropin 40+ and Kobe below 20.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 you could just look at their career playoff stats to see who's scored more. it's a pretty well-known fact that kobe is more clutch than shaq and if you don't agree you're pretty much just disagreeing with everybody. and you say shaq's a better defender? how about his 3 second team all-nba defense teams to kobe's 2 all second teams..but WAIT kobe has NINE first team all defensive..he has no glaring holes in his game like shaq did
supramano8 3 months ago
@supramano8 In Shaq`s prime years (9seasons) in LA AND MAgic, Shaq never averaged under 25ppg 10rpg and 50% fg% in any post season. Kobe on the other hand averaged 25 ppg in 8 season but has never shot over 50% in any of those postseasons. Kobe being clutch is just a media propoganda, he has only hit 1 gamewinner in the playoffs and shoots only 40% in the Finals. Is this guy supposed to be clutch? And first team defence is only media hype. And im still waiting for MDP over shaq.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 so..you're trying to tell me that shaq played in a small city and never got media exposure..which is why he never got on a first team defense? and yes shaq was probably the most dominant player in those 3 years as a laker..but that doesnt' mean he's a better player. fastforward 2 years after shaq left kobe was JUST as dominating. he single-handedly took over games but it was wasted on shit teams. but we're talking careers here..and kobe definitely had the better CAREER.
supramano8 3 months ago
@supramano8 Fast forward 2 years, Shaq won another ring, while Kobe didn`t even make the playoffs and then got knocked out by the suns in the 2nd round. You are contradicting yourself since you seem to be all about rings.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 if you want that..shaq did it once without kobe..kobe did it twice without shaq. if you want to base off of rings- shaq-4 kobe -5. simple as that. you can't compare them 1v1 because they're completely different players..but whose career will people look back on and remember better? Shaq, the guy who once he deteriorated decided he'd rather go championship hunting, or kobe who's going to be a laker for life and win at least 1 more championship.
supramano8 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 shaq could never lead a team by himself. he needs a great perimeter player around him, which is proven by the championships he's won. Shaq wasn't as committed, he has maybe 5 years in his career where he REALLY tried. Shaq SHOULD have been the best player to play the game he had all the tools to do it. but he never had the drive for it
supramano8 3 months ago
@supramano8 Same can be said for Kobe. Kobe needed a post player to win rings, couldn`t do it byhimself. Shaq may or may not be the best ever, but he was definatly better than Kobe.
Cheema0113 3 months ago
@Cheema0113 k..you can believe what you want..i'll believe what i want..everybody has different opinions i'm tired of arguing this shit
supramano8 3 months ago
@SuperTubingYou Luke Walton and Brian Scalabrine has more rings than LeBron..but are they any good? So you're right. People should stop trying to bring up all those ring jokes.
WtfItzHuy 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou Yeah but when you have two talented players and one of them has won a championship (the object of playing, which a lot of people forget) I think that definitly makes you better. Any time someone is stuffing the stat sheet and not winning it is either A. trying to look good and doing too much B. lack of good teammates
i used to think it was a little bit of both for LeBron, but he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh on his team and he didn't win a championship.
austin78993 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou No but when it comes to superstars and leadership plus all the intangibles rings measure greatness why do u think theres so much pressure on kobe to get 6 to tie jordan...
rosterhoudt 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou awesome point!! nice!
packersinhd 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou idk if fisher is better than lebron,but he is way more clutch than him
MrEmarkon 5 months ago
@SuperTubingYou I'm a Kobe fan but LeBron is the better player....NOW. Kobe in his prime and LeBron now, Kobe beats him by a longshot. But Kobe will go down in history as the better player than LeBron. Kobe is the man of his team and won 2 (without Shaq--although Shaq wouldn't have won without Kobe) and 3 more. When you're the man of the team, championships do factor in when deciding who is the better player.
Deejeezy405 4 months ago
@SuperTubingYou ok ok ok i understand but here would be the better term kobe had led his team to more rings kobe has more mvp titles kobe is more of a shooting threat kobe is more dangerous and more consistent than lebron is
SweetBrothaSouL 4 months ago
@SuperTubingYou This argument is mainly used for two superstars not role player and superstars. Most good players are on a talented team at some point in their career its what they do with it that defines there greatness. Lebron should have a championship by now that is why he is looked down on by so many fans he has multiple good teams and has flaked in the playoffs. I love how you use this argument a 5 yr old could come up with and act like it is such a clever argument
F2125524 4 months ago
@SuperTubingYou after watching that debacle in the finals, i thought the kobe vs lebron comparisons would stop....
co659017 4 months ago
they have five rings together the story is true kobe and fisher r gay
jenny65744 6 months ago
that wasn't a wink it was a eye twitch
TheServer33 6 months ago
kobe and fisher are goin 2 have six rings next year!!!
1lakers6 6 months ago
;-)
slavaplaybball 6 months ago
fuckin 5 rings now yea
TheParker723 6 months ago
@TheParker723 Goin 4 six nex year
1lakers6 6 months ago
His shot is soo smooth <3
Erikhaos 6 months ago
o y did he just only wink at kobe???????
jazzyj3434 6 months ago
why you all think, he winked at Kobe? ;)
MrTanzacurly 6 months ago
what!!!!!!!kobe gets an assist!!!??? what has this world come to
95kjb 6 months ago 33
@95kjb you are very funny.... NO.
Salva46 6 months ago
@95kjb
LOL good one.
wanttotrytest 6 months ago
@95kjb what?!?!! someone made a joke about kobe's assist numbers. that has never happened before!!!!! what has this world come to!!!!
emmaknightley 6 months ago 80
@emmaknightley lol i think I have seen you on alot of laker videos commenting on all of them lately
ppks4444 6 months ago
@emmaknightley yo like every hater says that about kobe... not hatin just the truth
PrIm3TiMe631 5 months ago
@95kjb wow dude great joke! so original... faggot
TheHey1597 6 months ago
@95kjb its funny cause kobe is one of the alltime assists leaders
ASmooveGuy 6 months ago
@ASmooveGuy lol its funny because steve blake is the all time assist leader
95kjb 6 months ago
@95kjb its funny because hes not
ASmooveGuy 6 months ago
@ASmooveGuy go to fuckin espn. c o m
95kjb 5 months ago
@95kjb Kobe=5,154 assists Steve Blake=2,303 assists. Nice try dumbass
ASmooveGuy 5 months ago
@95kjb what your stupid! if you acctaully watch him play sometimes he only has liek 1 shot in the WHOLE first half or like 3 shots god ur stupid
denmarc14 5 months ago
@95kjb last time i checked he had 5 assists a game
Hankywu 5 months ago
wowww all you haters are stupid
024VictorM 7 months ago
Kobe wif the dish
KevinWorldxD 7 months ago
Where was Derek Fisher during the Mavs series? :)
bombs347 7 months ago
waste video .
khaledrefaei123 7 months ago
thumbs up if you thought the commentator was gonna say 'more importantly kobe pssed the ball'
Kiwiyounggun 7 months ago
Derek and Kobe where in the same team for a long time.
m1k3y0011 7 months ago
@DoubleStubble they have 3 rings together . Derek Fisher wasn't always on the Lakers.
Ride2Live100 7 months ago
@Ride2Live100 Um ur rite tat Fisher wasn't always with da Lakers, but @DoubleStubble is rite, they do have five rings together.
PJ0k3r 7 months ago
@Ride2Live100 this was posted the year the lakers lost to the celtics3 nba finals ago
Doomsday4321 7 months ago
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Kevinvuphuc 7 months ago
Eu sou canhoto também e já tentei de todos os jeitos arremessar igual ao Fisher, não consegui...muito foda esse arremesso!!!
231994C 7 months ago
@231994C My first Portuguese comment~
emmaknightley 7 months ago 2
@emmaknightley @231994C Thanks for recognize it. Nine times out of ten I comment in portuguese and there's a lot of ignorants here calling me of mexican, shit, I'm brazilian, I speak portuguese, lol. But that's okay.
Oh yeah, in my comment I said that I'm left handed too and I always try to shoot like Fisher but I can't, it's hard as hell, you know?! lol
231994C