HHO power supply #3

[TRONhack3r]

Great job... Yeah just don't touch terminals at t1 / ground and you should be fine t1 is a set-up transformer the rest of the circuit is a lc pulse.. I luv engineering ^_^

[HeathsWorkShop]

Hey Thanks for the video. But can someone please dumb this down for me . I have no knowledge of converter. I'm want to use this in welding . any help will help thank you.

[KyleCarrington]

Hey thanks for this. I've never done high voltage electrolysis, I've always done brute force 13.8VDC, but this circuit is very useful for anything,... if... I understand it to be what i think it is... Is this basically a 12VDC - ??VAC Modified Sine Wave Invertor? Depending on your windings? Thanks. Will follow your stuff. Right on. Do you think you get further with High Voltage HHO production than DC? Cheers

[poprock4me]

This circuits is working , i made it

[rcjetpilot707]

Please give the valuse for the componets.

[adicontakt]

@rcjetpilot707 read the description of the video

[0903390901]

bla bla bla ... Where are the real experiment?

[prototype9000]

2n3055HV will handle like 63 amps at 400 volts

[kaitlyn61]

Find winding a transformer intesting could you show us how you would wind a transformer in a video keep up the good work find all your video's great

[1miltond]

Hi is L1 A choke? I honly see 1 coil If is not were you connect The secondary ?

[crazzieg]

Look to the right of the page and click More Info...

[monster119shah]

hey i dont find the component specifications in the side bar.. how is it listed.

[Charlesincharge42]

'Nother source for power parts .. 3055s are nice and all but what about a free MOSFETs rated at 50A?

I swapped out a dead motherboard today, and realized that it has a really efficient onboard switching VRM .. so I looked up some of its parts on the 'net.

Anyways this particular board (an ECS P4M800Pro-M7) had 6 MOSFETs and the controller for this 3 phase VRM was rated to run at up to 1.2mhz that's some pretty high frequency stuff for power parts!

Datasheet tinyurl(dot)com/5rfquv

[crazzieg]

Good going Charles MOSFET's are even better, these littel circuts will work just by rebiasing a bit. I have posted another vid that deals with alternators and how to get HV out of them up to about 3000w. There is a small booklet that was published in the 60's that I have,and will be glad to pass it on if anyone is interested, it has a good deal of information that is verry useful for our projects. The mods are simple and you can get up to 400v out of one. It's how we use to make HV for our tubes

[michaelpudney]

thanks for this circuit idea crazzieg based on your circuit what do you think this one will do here tinyurl(dot)com/552td4 do you think it would work and get high enough voltage?

[crazzieg]

Michael that is a good simple osc ckt. I like it,the only thing is the 3055 will only do 75w so you might have to use more than 1 in the ckt. Good work though... I'm still trying to get my head around useing HV to bump those littel ions into jumping for us.

[michaelpudney]

Thanks for the info.Low voltage electrolysis together with higher voltage spikes in resonance via a feedback coil is I think what Meyers did.If it all happens in resonance then everything is very efficient.

[TeslaLight]

Hi Michael - I think you are right and the schematics show that. I think this is what Meyer meant by allowing voltage to take over.

There is another aspect to the design (impedance matching) everyone is overlooking also.

The low voltage was the polarization process and the high voltage was the capacitor aspect.

There was a bit more to it but it would never fit in this little box.

[michaelpudney]

TeslaLight I don't know much about impedance matching but it does get more important the more complex your circuit.Also the design of the cell is to,it should be as shallow as possible so that water pressure isn't slowing bubble formation.This man here

tinyurl(dot)com/6oyhj3 has a shallow system that works well for him and that is one reason why it works as well as it does.The 'conditioning' of electrodes to,as this makes them more capacitor like allowing voltage to "take over".

[TeslaLight]

As for conditioning - There are two problems associated with electrolysis.

1. Electron packing on the anode.

2. Impedance matching.

That is not what Meyer meant when he said allowing voltage to take over - sorry but I know a little about this.

[michaelpudney]

thanks TeslaLight it looks like I got more studying to do

[TeslaLight]

The calcium deposits, if that is what it is, act as a barrier to prevent electron packing. The deposits also produce what is called nucleation.

Meyer's circuit has a resonant charge choke which is powered and once the low voltage polarizes the molecules, the high voltage pulses hit at just the right time to begin the step charge. This foggy gas filled water reduces impedance reflection and now will accept the higher voltage. The mark space is to prevent arcing or infinity charge condition.

[TeslaLight]

And lastly if you are trying to provide a chemistry explanation to Stan's process you will fail. It is an atomic process not a chemistry process.

There are several ways to achieve this process. For example a round or isotropic storage probe is one way. Meyer's resonant cavity achieved the same process by using an ultrasonic resonator which is what that 40 prong titanium colored grill is all about.

Stan always named things what they did, not what they were.

[crazzieg]

Your right TL there is a grate deal more to whats going on in the cavity. And i'm thinking as the water starts to disassociate that the impedance is going to change over a fairly large range and the resistance will become higher. And it is true that we do need to be looking at this on the atomic level or at least ionic stages. I haven't the time now to do much as far as cells go but I have started building a microwave exciter for some test i'm thinking of.

[TeslaLight]

That would be great and exactly what is needed - a high speed switching expert.

Since 426.580mhz is the resonant frequency of hydrogen and where salt water starts to burn I would start there or even ten octaves down.

I'll test anything you design if you have some ideas. I am pretty limited to a Colpitt's oscillator with my capability.

Also you are right about the change in impedance and resistance. Suppose that had anything to do with Meyer using 2 circuits ie., low voltage then high voltage.

[TeslaLight]

That is a simple and elegant little circuit but you forgot to throw those component values on the sidebar.

[crazzieg]

Look again under the dropdown (More)...But you are right I forgot to include the coil winding specs. I will fix that. The primary side of the coil is 12 to 24 turns and the secondary side can be as many as you feel you want to do, the more you put on the higher the voltage will be.

[TeslaLight]

So that's what the sidebar is... Thanks. We need more people like you with a lifetime of experience helping out - keep it up.

I think I understand how Meyer's circuit and process works but I an not a power conversion person. I could probably fake my way through it but it would be a snap for you.

If you are interested I will lay it out and I think you just might agree. Like you, I have a lifetime of experience in these areas. We should start an old boys network.

[Charlesincharge42]

Another option for cheap (but not quite free) is CF lamps from dollar stores, it seems from this page that you can re-wind the transformers pretty easily :)

tinyurl (dot) com/6mdxts

[crazzieg]

Right on Charles, this is a good sorce for the xformers, I have used all kinds for this circuit. Audio matching xformers for higher current works well up to several hundred watts. I have used 3/4" iron rods for cores up to 1kw. These are a fun circuits to play with if your interested in power conversion.

[hltibbs]

As such, what current draw are you seeing at the 40W setting you have indicated and at what frequency?

[BenHutchinson1]

What is the max voltage and max current that you can get out of this thing? You talk about "lethal". But I want some numbers.

[crazzieg]

Ben,the peak voltage runs up to about 800v@.05 amp. This is enough to make you hart go into fibulation. The instantaious peak current can run as high as 1 amp which is plenty enough to frost your strawberries.

[cribcat1]

What do you think about IGBT's? I never used them as a tech so I don't know. The spec sheets look good for current handling and speed. It's good to see that people are still interested in electronics.

[crazzieg]

Wow I never used them either but yes why not, looks to me like it would make PWM's much better. Thanks for the heads up I'll look around for a sorce close to here.

[theoneagain]

make some hydrogen and show us your setup

[b130dell]

hi, why dont you show the actual circuit that u have made.

[crazzieg]

look at the next few I get past that

[intusut]

Dear Sir,Where is HHO power supply #1 ,2,How much turns and what awg foe L1,also how much turns of pri.and sec. of tranformer and awg..Do I use ferrite tansformer instade,thanks sevi.

[crazzieg]

All th information is in the drop down (MORE) to the right of the movie.

[monster119shah]

hey i dont find the component specifications in the side bar how is it listed..

[waynedavisband]

very interesting have any ideas with a 555 timing circuit working a power transistor on and off to pulse the current to the cell

[notogas]

What is the Amps output?

[crazzieg]

At the frequencys I'm talking it does not take much current. The idea is to shake the molocules as much as we can in a tuned cavity. At least that is where I'm headed.I have used this Ckt up to 1Kw@400Mhz if that helps.

[crazzieg]

This ckt is a modified Hartley oscilator and will work up to several hundred Mhz depending on the transistor or fet used.

[crazzieg]

I haven't attached any of the converters to my cell yet so I am not able to tell you what the output is like. From the experiments I've seen the gas production starts to happen around 80 to 100 volts @ 1 amp. Just before the plasma starts.

[HtwoOpower]

hello,

can you please see my 2 latest video and will your design work (to answer my question). also will it send pulse also with no problem?

thanks.

[crazzieg]

L1 is the feed back winding and needs to be there I may have labeled it wrong it is not really a choke but a winding on the transformer.

[pwmpower]

It's the Cap that turns the transistor, and the resistor discharges the cap turning the base off, and back and forth

[crazzieg]

This circuit produces over 200 volts @ 40watts

[crazzieg]

Yes R3 is only to keep from burning up the transistor on the first run it is removed. Cool your quick thanks.

[crazzieg]

Calibrate/test the circuit. To calibrate/set up the circuit connect the 2.2 Ohm 1W resistor (R3) in series with the positive supply. Connect a 40W fluorescent tube to the high voltage ends of the transformer. Momentarily connect power. If the tube doesn't light immediately reverse the connections of L1. If the oscillator still doesn't work, check all connections. When you get the oscillator to run remove the 2.2 ohm resistor and the circuit is ready for use. You will not need R3 again.

[crazzieg]

Feedback: Wind 13 turns of 0.4mm enameled copper wire on the core and then heat shrink over that.

Secondary: This coil has 450 turns of 0.4mm enameled copper wire in three layers. Wind one layer and then heat shrink over it. Do the same for the next two.

[pwmpower]

Well, the R3* and the L1 are not needed, because they will heat up as the watts drawn increase, so you can skip those.

[crazzieg]

Wind L1/T1. You will need an AM antenna rod that is about 60mm (2.5 inches) long to wind T1/L1 on. T1/L1 are wound on the same core. Shrink a layer of heat shrink over the core to insulate it. Leave 50mm of wire at each end of the coils.

Primary: Wind 60 turns of 1mm diameter enameled copper wire on the first layer and put a layer of heat shrink over it.