Well....I love an argument:) - BOXING IS AWESOME! It might not be the most complete art, but you try throwing all them close range kicks against a takedown artist and then come back to tell me how you did. Boxing advocates a good base and I dig that. Hands are fast and easy to throw, you need room for mistakes and randomness in a high-adrenalin situation. I'm not saying it's better or best, but it's very very solid. My N#1 choice would be wrestling - you get to pick where to fight. :)
I like this! I still think people shouldn't judge Shotokan or other styles?! It just shows their attitude towards Martial Arts. Shotokan can be very affective. No wonder it's the most popular style in the world:))) and Shotokan allows Face contact ( some organisations) :)))
@MultiZON123 I know (as anyone who has any knowledge in karate knows) that Shotokan can be affective. But one of the reasons/results for it being the most popular style in the world is that it is not practiced affectively (now days and in most dojos) .
@pastropmal As a former practitioner of shotokan for many years i agree with your statement. I have trained with many shotokan karateka who are walking weapons, who trained under a stricter regimen and practiced the old style of kumite no mitts ippon only, head contact was allowed and also with many who have the rank but are not really fighters. Shotokan was never meant to be a fighting system per se but more of a physical culture/education system, that explains the popularity in my opinion.
What? Have you ever seen a boxer how gets kicked with low kicks especially? Sure, boxing is one of the best, as Thaiboxing, but please - Crap Maga? Tha'ts so naive. Kyokushin is one of the best styles and considered the most brutal. And be sure it's far better than Shotokan, with all my respect to.
Oh, man, go bother someone else, it's full of MMA idiots. Cause you haven't met a good one, it doesn't mean there aren't. Most of all, you're nobody as criteria, haha, retard.
Like Filipino Martial Arts better because it's meant for survival and staying alive while Kyokushin is starting to become more of a combat sport. But in a street fight a Kali practitioner can use a razor blade and slice up those fucking karate brats.
@DaddyWarbucks452 Yet, good kyokushinkais practice and teach kihon, kata and kumite. <- often to practice also is added some weapons such as bo, bokken and knife. Obviously someone who continuously practices only to use one or few weapons, is better at that than those who have it only as a side. But how about empty handed combat? There is a place for every martial art, and that depends from every individual and their needs.
I can see that it's a pretty tough martial art and I'm sure it's very painful and grueling, but I don't think it's the best training for a real fight. I say that because you can't punch to the head. Now you're going to argue that getting hit with bare knuckles is more badass. But when I train kickboxing with my 16oz gloves, I'm making my punches all the more faster, and my arms/shoulders stronger. Also, learning how to block punches to the head is a good skill to have
@AQUIETMOISTURE Idk, Wether anyone's gonna argue that. We know.;) It's just that these are the rules that have been set. While you can - and many do - practice stuff in sparring that is not allowed in tournaments (head punches, grappling etc.). In tournaments it goes like this.
@pastropmal If he makes shoulders harder with those gloves, he should be 30 kg of weight, haha! Kickboxing lacks the technique Kyokushin has. No way to explain what you want to the stupid martial arts practitioners.
@AryanBulgar No way to explain? How about you tell your theory about the gloves to the guy who claimed something about it. (BTW, in kickboxing you keep you hands up all the time so hands and shoulders do get stronger there...) Kyokushin also lacks for what kickboxing has.
@pastropmal And what about bare knuckes - do you have any idea how they dig? Kyokushin guard is hands up, just in a different way. Sure you don't know the Shinken shobu rules with headpunching. We've also elbow strikes, knees. As well as Kyokushin MMA rules. Kancho Royama was in Bulgaria this summer on international Kyokushin camp and he explained us what this guard is about, so I won't listen you instead of him.
@AryanBulgar Hey you racist piece of shit, why don't you learn English before you try and speak it. It makes things a lot easier for normal people to understand when you aren't flapping your dumb racist mouth about something you don't even know about. Go suck a black dick.
What a no-lifer. You, jealous inferior semitic scum, is the biggest crap the nature ever created. And while I'm superior in every way, you keep being primitive and savage. You'll never know what is aryanbulgar or bulgARIAN, cause you're subhuman. And your arguments are so childish and stupid.
While I've nothing to do with WWII you've been banned everywhere in all of your history of no-state tribe. You're a parasite. You're stupid and illiterate. No matter how many comments you'll write.
valgez1, AryanBulgar is the same as bulgARIAN, you retard inferior moron. You can not enter the toilet, cause you're a toilet product. And no - I don't have any tatoos, you childish cretin.
You're degenerate pervert semite crap while I'm proud of being white aryan and you're jealous of, it's so clear and you - so pathetic. "Fascism" is different than nazism, you illiterate idiot, haha! Go read the Talmud and shake your head in trance.
@AryanBulgar No, you are not bulgARIAN :-) you, pathetic liar, it's AryanBulgar - which means piece of fascistic shit - means you! You won't hide your filthy inferior fascist nature, you're not even under-human , you're under-swine :-) You place is with the pigs - you, inferior 'Proud" so called aryan :-) Only inferior under-swines like you can be proud of being Aryan. I cannot enter the toilet, cause you make it unbearably filthy. You, fascist sub-swine, i spit on YOU, inferior creature :-)))
@AryanBulgar How can I be jealous of someone like you being an under-swine ? :-) The only emotion I have is a desire to step on you and push you even deeper into the filth - exactly the place where you came from and where you really belong and then spit on you, inferior fascistic under-swine :-)) that's the only treatment you deserve, fascist under-pig.
@AryanBulgar And that's the very treatment you received during WW2, I see there are still ones like awaiting their fate - it'll come, don't worry, fucking fascist under-pig :-))))
@AryanBulgar What a looser you are! :-) You're even marking my comments as Spam, what ? Ashamed of your own under-human swine nature ? :-) May be you are not that spoiled after all, if you're still able to be ashamed of smth, you FUCKING PIECE OF UNDER-HUMAN CRAP !
valgez1, No, come to Bulgaria to see how genetically defected you the jews are. And since you're always into homosexualism - Tel Aviv is the gay capitol of the Middle East, hahaha! Your arguments are so retard, but you're a jew, it's normal to be inferior and pathetic. And you're dirty semite, while I'm proud aryan, stop being jealous of.
@AryanBulgar I wouldn't even enter the same toilet you've been in, you, disgusting piece of fascist crap. karateka? HAHA!!! You're not even karateka, you're a crippled infantile kid, who put Kykoshin tattoos - remove them, they are just not for you, you, piece of crap :-)))
@AryanBulgar You are aryan? :-)) Hardly... You are just a small neonazi puppy. I've heard all neonazis are passive homosexuals - still enjoying it after getting it up their asses during WW2. Come to Tel-Aviv - i'll finish what my Grands didn't finish - I'll tear your fascist ass to pieces with Swastika. :-) You call yourself "AryanBulgar" ? You are just a piece of fascistic shit. So, gonna keep on shitting in Youtube or come here to taste some, fucking neonazi piece of crap.
@valgez1 No, not hardly, but absolutely, you jealous semite. You've herd homosexual stories cause you want to listen such, haha! Your defected grandparents did nothing anyway, just killing palestinian children. That's the best you can do. And make difference, you illiterate dumb, between fascit and nazi. And why not you come in Bulgaria, I've nothing to do in your desert shit among inferior semites. You, virtual troll and no-lifer.
@AryanBulgar Come to Bulgaria? What for ? To see a crippled twat, like you? :-) So, the homosexual stories are true? I just guessed, you confirmed. Tell me, how many times should you let your local Fuhrer fuck you before he lets you lick his shoes ? You are just a degenerate. when young, we used to go have a fun beating the crap out of fascist shit like you. Right, you're not neonazi - you're not even allowed to lick your Fuhrer\s boots yet . You are not even a karateka - you're just a sad nazi
@AryanBulgar You are the worst piece of crap the Earth has ever bore :-)) I suggest you remove Kyokoshin tattoos (if you have any) and replace them with swastika, so everyone knows what you, in fact, are. You are a total disgrace to Kyokoshin spirits :-)) I'm sure some Jewish girl laughed at your small prick - can't think of any other reason how you became such a piece of crap :-))
@valgez1 Some more stereotypical words, you're great, haha! Man, you type so stupid things, every one is worst than the previous. And please, I'm quite a normal karateka, while you're disgrace to the human kind, you inferior primitive semite.
Everything you write is around sex - sorry, I thought pedophilia is normal regarding the Talmud, hahah! Done with you, pseudo-fighter.
@AryanBulgar You're done with me ? HAHAHA!!! you did nothing and you're done with me already ??? What a joker you are, you, fucking piece of fascist crap!!! :-)) But I'm not done with YOU yet, with the sorts of garbage like you are :-))) I'm gonna join "Hunters for the degenerate fascist" organization , put some Swastika in my pocket, to use it at each opportunity to shove it up some fascist ass and make him whine like a pig, you fucking Nazi piece of crap HAHA!!!
@AryanBulgar You don't wanna know what my Grandad did to the crap like you during WW2. All were tough guys killing unarmed Jews, but, turned to screaming swines when my Grandad, a partisan, handled them, they screamed "Hitler Kaput" and cried like infantile kids. Even Nazis didn't treat the Jews, like my Granddad treated the ones of your kind. That is who you are: Infantile Kid, in an absolute need of a strong hand to lead you, trying to find the ones to blame you for your own misery - :-)))
valgez1 You really know shit for kyokushin. Why don't you think what is to hit with no gloves, how the pain get twice more than a gloved strike? And Kyokushin has headpunches, there're just two types of rules in competitions. Just learn to make difference between other Karate styles and Kyokushin. And come on, you pretend the retard boxing to be so good.
You've watched shit. Tell me - did Andy Hug suck? Semmy Schilt? Both Kyokushin fighters, not to tell more. Or Dolph Lundgren?
@AryanBulgar Hmm... What will I tell you. I know much about Kyokoshin. How to explain it to you without offending you :-) I'd put it this way: compare Karateka and Boxer - who is better in punching ?
@valgez1 Haha, you insist on this punching, are you a wanker or something? Compare the two styles - who can keep longer distance and stil hitting? Can a boxer hold more than 2-3 lowkicks? Stop explaining shits man.
@AryanBulgar Boxing, in terms of practicality is superior, its been said by countless martial arists, its the most effective close combat technique, as are Krav Maga and Muay Thai. And also maybe Shotokan.
@GamerJelly how can boxing be the superior martial art style? no martial art is totaly completed, but I can tell you that Muay Thai is more effective and a more developed martial art style, you can't even use legs in boxing. no way that boxing is the most complete MA..
I said "In terms of practicallity" it is superior.
Put a Muay Thai fighter in a ring with a Boxer and the boxer would win.
Why? Think of how many punches Boxers take before they go down, some don't even go down and could take more. Think of how fast Muay Thai fighters go down.
Boxers are typically physically stronger, tougher and have faster reflexes. This is what i meant my Practicallity
@GamerJelly Your stupid, using combined techniques punch+punch+kick to the head and the boxer will go down. You must be really ignorant if you'd think a boxer would be able to handle the legs, and what would the boxer do if they Thai boxer would clinch and put several knees to the head. End of discussion
@GamerJelly I disagree. Muay Thai fighters are hell of a kickers. Kicks have more reach than punches. Thaiboxers have good conditioning too, they can take hits very well. Of course, with boxing rules the boxer would win.
@valgez1 kyokushin puch are good since your punching with close distance and fast..boxing is a joke if u wanna compare it to a martial art..also that kyokushin have kicks down to the leg and up to the head
@AryanBulgar I dont think you know what your talking about,i spar countless Karate guys my mma club,some of them have been on the England Karate squad and i ent met one yet that was any good with their hands ,Good boxers usually pull them apart in mma .
Yes a lot of styles/arts have their strengths and weaknesses. That's why people learn multiple styles/arts to cover for those weaknesses. For example, a full on striking art will most likely have trouble against a grappler, so that striker learns a grappling martial art to cover up that weakness. Just remember with every weakness you lose, another always appears. This is directed at those who think a certain style tops all other styles.
@MysteriousJedi Kind of true. As well as a grapler can find it hard to fight a striker. As a Kyokushin karateka, I can state that this Oyama style is amazingly adequate, cause we're pushed to train some grapling, MMA sparrings, cause the conception of the style is progress and adaptation to every kind of fighting situation.
@AryanBulgar Kykoshin is Great! No doubt... but don't you think that "solid base in grappling + some striking" is, in general, more effective than "base in striking + some grappling" ??
@valgez1 Hard to say, today some styles which are basically good got overrated, while some like Kyokushin got underrated. But anyway, rather a fighter should be complex, no matter which one is his stronger side, it's always personal. The balance grapling-striking and the way you apply them is important, cause for MMA is different than a real fight where you can use forbidden strikes for the MMA, as well as even biting and kind of.
This is the only form of Karate that i have never practised...having only watched others practising Kyokushin... i have much respect for this very useful Martial art...
@Aromaticduck so if you had done all the other forms you can answer me a question please. is there a form which allows it to punch to the head? maybe with gloves or something?
@moxigen ..All forms of Karate (except kyokushin) allow punches to the head during Competitions or sparring...but only to get a point..not generally for a knockout... If you want something for a knockout using any part of your body (including fists) try Muay Thai and never rule out Boxing...and have a go at Krav Maga & Kempo Jujutsu...both devastating..
@Aromaticduck Yeah!!! Boxing rules! Add boxing to Kyokoshin and you'll get a perfect striking mix. In fact, Kyokoshin fighters that don't put time in boxing techniques are in a substantial disadvantage - K 1
@valgez1 No, actually Kyokushin is focused more on the punches, not mindless kicking like Taekwondo. It's even more hand orientated to hands than the Thaiboxing. The way a karateka uses his hands for sure is different than a boxer, but Kyokushin itself is however combined for all the limbs, not fists only.
It's like stating boxers don't rely on kicks and legs in K-1 which is also serious disadvantage. Anyway, K-1 is far from showing real fight - MMA fight - including grappling.
@AryanBulgar Yeah, but do you agree that Karatekas develop real bad habits while fighting standing close to each other, chin high, guard low, eyes are focused on the body - not on the head. No matter what techniques Karateka learns - it's useless unless practiced. Not mentioning reaction and speed the boxers have. With all the grace Kyokoshin has, lack of punches to head is a rather serious flaw.
@valgez1 I've been on an international Kyokushin camp here in Bulgaria this summer and it was led by the great master Kancho Royama. He explained that having a lower shoulder means they're stronger and it makes perfect sense since I do alot of powerlifting. The body says everything about the opponents move, not the head, it's right. Boxing is the greatest fists technique, but it still fists only, while Kyokushin has a different conception, so different techniques.
@AryanBulgar No argue about that. I just say that Kyokoshin would be more complete if punches to head were allowed - hard to do it bare knuckled :-) Correct me if I'm wrong, but the earliest Oyama's version allowed everth, incl groin strikes, right ?
@valgez1 Yeah man, I told you - there're Kyokushin MMA rules, as well as Shinken shobu - with headstrikes with the smallest gloves possible. Many people believe we don't use elbows neither, but we do.
As far as I know Oyama was first judoka, so Kyokushin originally has some grapling techniques. That's why we still practice such today. Just after his death the japanese wanted to make his style look closer to the traditiona Karate, but it's still so different and improved.
@AryanBulgar Alot of people do to Kyokushin what they do to alot of other Arts, like Ju-Jutsu, Tae Kwon-Do, or Kickboxing. They generalise their Contents based on their Competitions, and ignore the fact that theres ALOT more in the Art that whats shown off thusly. Most of the Time, it isnt their fault though. They just dont know any better, which is quite fair enough. It isnt really obvious until you know. For example, Kyokushin has Head Punching. But Competitions are to prove Body Strength.
@Caeviens I know. Some people chose to be competitioners, others - to go deeper as fighters. I don't even care what my belt is, since I'm better than some higher belts.
@AryanBulgar Belts help hold ones Pants up, and their GI in place. Skill is something Subjective to the Individual. The only two Belts that matter, I think, are; The White Belt, for when you Begin. And the First Black Belt, for when you have your Foundations. Every other Belt, is less important. More Traditional Arts tend to readily accept such a Concept, more than Modern "Adaptions", where People sit around stressing about their Gradings.
@Caeviens I've watched some Shinken shobu videos - their punching is rather amateur. - Wouldn't stand a slightest chance against an average boxer. Add Boxing training to Kyokoshin - you'll get a fantastic striking art.
@valgez1 Thats just it, though. Thats already been done. Kickboxing. It isnt Boxing + Kicks, its Karate, modified to a Western Style. Kyokushin is not Boxing in the same way Judo isnt Jiu-Jitsu. Theyre different, and possess different means to ends. If Boxing is your Baseline for Good Punching, then anything else is bad by Comparison. If that makes any sense.
@Caeviens Come on, I'm talking solely about punching techniques :-) Actually, kickboxing quite sucks :-) - correct me if i'm wrong but they don't allow kicks below the waist. If they do - it's not KB anymore, but more MT - which is not coming from karate. Anyway, all this doesn't matter. What I'm saying is if one wants to perfect punching skills - there's nothing like Boxing. Even in MT, European fighters have edge over the Thai Fighters showing superior hand skills.
@Caeviens Also, KB is very different from Kyok in a respect that they don't fight bare knuckled - the very essence and main advantage of Kyukoshin !!! I'd say use learn Kyokoshin + Boxing for a complete striking set. You'll learn both using bare hands and good boxing.
@valgez1 Yeah. Its all good in theory, but multitasking Styles can be tricky if youre right into one. Of course, just practicing Guards in your own time could work just as well. As long as you Practice as seriously as you Train.
@Caeviens The problem is with defining "Styles" . if you consider fighting in its "Pure" form, you'll find no styles there, it will just be "Inflicting the max damage in all possible ways" :-)
@Caeviens What value does "Having head punches" have, if you don't use it in full contact competitions ? How are you exactly going to be good in smth without "Full time" practicing it ? By "Practicing" i don't mean kata or semi-contact fight, by "Practicing" I mean punching to "Kill" (like boxers do). With all due respect to Kyokoshin, its Punching is rather backwards.
@valgez1 We've Kyokushin MMA tournamets,Shinken shobu rules - with headpunches with the smallest gloves possible.Also,the classical rules with bare knukles makes every punch twice deeper and harder than gloved one,so it has its advantages.And it's a wring statement "no matter what techniques karateka learns - it's useless unless practiced" - it's actually correct,but if you mean it for all the styles existing,not Kyokushin only. By the way - Dolph Lundgren,Semmy Schilt,Andy Hug - all karatekas.
@Aromaticduck It's clear that you don't know the forms of Kyokushin - Shinken shobu rules allow headpunching. There's Kyokushin MMA competitions too, cause we practice some grapling in our training. The classical competitions are no headpunching, but bare knuckles make every hit twice harder and digging, not like the gloves.
Kyokushin has elbows and knees and it's way more adequate than the overrated Thaiboxing, which is actually good. While Crap Maga is just another jewish shit.
@AryanBulgar True..i don't know all the forms of Kyokushin..i've never heard of Shinken Shobu Rules. Its good you practice Grapling as many clubs do not. Thanks for the info, i shall look into it a bit more..
@AryanBulgar Thank you i know. Because Kyokushin is a "new" style, so it doesn't make sense not to take from other style. For example Judo and Bjj ya know?
Kyokushin's like a kickboxing thing, itz awesome and gr8 for fighting in tournaments. But how do we defend ourselves in street attacks with it? no grabbing or submission holds! what do we do if multiple ppl come attacking together? The kicks aren't of long range enuf like that of
TKD or Kung Fu, so how do we save ourselves? :| ... No offence really, I'd just be glad if any kyokushin practitioner answers me. Thanks in advance :)
dam it would be cool to see more ppl study kyokushin and blend it with their martial arts in mma :D not a single art is perfect by itself. it becomes truly deadly when mixed with other useful arts. id love to see kyokushin in mma more~
All martial art is good. All of the has it 's pro and contra...mixed martial arts: learn 10 martial arts and end it on the floor. Kyokushin is the best :)
@Eliteninja007 haha yea i agree man most marital arts are good n they all got ther pros n cons. Although i think it depends in mma :p lot of the good fighers are a master of 1 art and they add other arts to their arsenal to improve xD its just that in an actual fight..its so hard not to go to the ground. i really wish mma would make a time limit for the ground :|
Just started taking kyokushin, and when my sensai demonstrated a straight punch at half speed on my chest, it felt like I was hit with a bowling ball, it's unbelievably heavy. Probably from years of pounding his fist on hard surface and the bones getting much thicker and denser than average person. A barrage of those to the head with no gloves would be fatal.
The essence of Kyokushin kumite is the bareknuckles, the toughness and endurance it takes to withstand those punches and kicks to your body and not quit. If they were allowed, every fighter would just spam head punches and fights would be over in probably 2 seconds. Some kyokushin fighters go on to fight in K-1 and other MMA events that allows punches to the head and they do pretty well, see GSP, Francisco Filho and Andrews Nakahara.
@shingadelic No offense, but I wouldn't consider GSP to be much of a Kyokushin fighter. He rarely mixes it up with the kicks and seems to be bothered when he takes damage to the face. When was the last time you saw him finish a fight with a Kyokushin technique? He's more of a boxer with solid wrestling. Some real Kyokushin fighters who did great in other combat sports would be Bas Rutten and Alain Ngalani. (^_^)
@1029Itachi That's true. He even has said he doesn't use those techniques (except there was something about low kicks if I remember right). He has though said the most useful thing he got from it was the attitude.
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I use to practice kyokushinkai for close to 7 years before I stopped due to University studies a couple of years back and i definitely learnt how to strike to the head. You just pulled your punches to the head short and if someone would run into the punch then so be it. Kyokushinkai is indeed slightly limited to what it can do but i doubt you will ever see a kyokushin student that doesn't know how to fight!
I really respect Kyokushin and I would love to practice it. There are, however, two things that I don't like in this style: Katas and the prohibition to not punch the head. I think that Kata/poom se/kati and all kind of forms are very artistic, but pretty useless in a combative perspective. And not to train how to defend punches at your head is a great flaw.
Anyway, I heard some rumors about a "kind" of Kyokushin that is now using punches at the head...
@TakedaMitsurugi Its true that 90% of the people hate Katas , but it is really nice when you know them and you need them for belt exams , Punch to the head is not allowed on tournament but on street just hit him in head and game over :D , And you train how to defend punches , by holding high guard so you can block punches kicks and all those stuff :PP
@bishketflux In the street, you can use anything, even a gun. That's not the point. The point is that if you don't train punches at the head, you also don't practice punch defenses at your head. And to defend a punch isn't the same as to defend a kick. It's not just a matter of raise up your hands. You need to work it.
About being nice or not, its a matter of personal choice, but I probably would not have the choice to skip the katas and just keep the fighting part if I were a Kyokushin fighter
@TakedaMitsurugi well in my dojo we are training punch blocks to the head , also as self defence techniques like disarming a bat , gun and knife... it all depends on teacher
@bishketflux Yes, I also trained punch blocks to the head in a dojang, but training occasionally is not enough. I admire Kyokushin, but the presence of forms and the lack of punches to the head are a limitation in my opinion. I think that Kyokushin would be wonderfull with no forms and no punch limitation, but that would make Kyokushin just like kickboxing. I particulary don't care, but I think some people would.
@TakedaMitsurugi ye lack of punches to the head is some sort of limitation , i would love it comes back but with some sort of gloves (not boxing gloves something like gloves for UFC , that fingerless ones) Because they wouldn't allow bare knuckle :S
@bishketflux There's no point in fighting with bare knuckled. Not even the professional fighters do that anymore (they did once in the begining of the UFC), let alone us, people who doesn't live exclusively to fight. After all, no one wants to go to work or school/university with a broken face.
Boxing gloves are a good idea, Since Kyokushin, as far as I know, don't use grapples in combat, I think there's no problem.
@Stl2iFe This is bullshit. Most of people don't want to go to work with the face cutted or smashed because of a martial art training. There's no any problem about using gloves. The real problem is not to train head punches, which is the kyokushin case.
@TakedaMitsurugi the point of kata is that if you learn the proper way to flow from one atack to another, and you do pretty much every combination possible due to the large amount of katas, after a couple years of doing it, when you need to do a certain combination of moves, you will be able to flow through with them without wasting time thinking about it.
@ih8kkk It still seems useless to me. Boxing, Muay Thay, Savate, Kickboxing and many other striking martial arts has lots of combinations and none of them have katas. Also, the movements made in such forms (karate's Kata, TaeKwon Do's Poom Se and Kung Fu's Kati) are not aplicable even in tournaments, let alone a no-rules fighting. To me, this forms has its function in the past, but in modern times, its nothing more than just aesthetic thing.
@TakedaMitsurugi Kyokushin practitioners have had no problem going into K-1 and kicking ass! Just look at Andy Hug and Francisco Filho! Kyokushin teaches you how to fight no buts about it!
@Stl2iFe Yes, Andy Hug (R.I.P) and Filho were great. But remember that these fighters also worked under K-1 rules that allows head punches, which means that they have trained to deal with it.
@TakedaMitsurugi well, whatever works with you is up to you, but ive seen some ppl do amazing techniques in real fights that they practiced through kata
@ih8kkk It depends on the technique you're talking about. Any forms has move that are applicable in real fights and other moviments that are completely useless. To me, the best way to improve some kind of blow or grapple is practing that, not with a memorized "imaginary fight", but with a partner. But it's just a personal view.
@TakedaMitsurugi Same can be said about the lack of submission and ground skills in muay thai, or that BJJ guys can't strike for shit (Jake Shield). No single MA is completely well rounded. Kyokushin offers a good base, because it instills extreme physical and mental toughness. Kyokushin fighters like GSP, Francisco Filho, Andy Hug, and Andrews Nakahara, were able fill the gaps in their karate with wrestling and boxing and became formidable fighters in K-1 and MMA.
Dang that kick to the head must have hurt. I forgot the name to that kick but is there any way to counter that move? I was thinking you could move back maybe but is there any other way?
i would take down any of these guys XD, lol jk, im sure there are really good fighters learning this but one kick to my head and their dead, lol head kicks are a waste of energy and ridiculously easy to block, u can only set it up
@gods1hell1spawn10011 How stupid. Kyokushin headkicks are maybe the most danegrous of that kind. Can you block a man like Andy Hug? True, headkicks can not be performed in every fight, but they have to exist. No one will dare to kick you to the head if the situation is not good for it.
@AryanBulgar yeah, headkicks work and are awsome but i would destroy them without them, like bruce lee said, the quickest root to your opponent is the best, my fist is closer, and no one unless i highly respect them because they are gods can headkick me without getting wrecked
TAEKWONDO IS BETTER
Karma42347017 2 days ago
Don't forget George St. Pierre...Kyokushin trained, as well
SSGTA440 2 weeks ago
i always thought gloves were used to minimize injury for the opponent. But it was actually to prevent hand injury ;)
rotarymenace 3 weeks ago
Well....I love an argument:) - BOXING IS AWESOME! It might not be the most complete art, but you try throwing all them close range kicks against a takedown artist and then come back to tell me how you did. Boxing advocates a good base and I dig that. Hands are fast and easy to throw, you need room for mistakes and randomness in a high-adrenalin situation. I'm not saying it's better or best, but it's very very solid. My N#1 choice would be wrestling - you get to pick where to fight. :)
shmuckling 1 month ago
I like this! I still think people shouldn't judge Shotokan or other styles?! It just shows their attitude towards Martial Arts. Shotokan can be very affective. No wonder it's the most popular style in the world:))) and Shotokan allows Face contact ( some organisations) :)))
MultiZON123 1 month ago
@MultiZON123 I know (as anyone who has any knowledge in karate knows) that Shotokan can be affective. But one of the reasons/results for it being the most popular style in the world is that it is not practiced affectively (now days and in most dojos) .
pastropmal 1 week ago
@pastropmal As a former practitioner of shotokan for many years i agree with your statement. I have trained with many shotokan karateka who are walking weapons, who trained under a stricter regimen and practiced the old style of kumite no mitts ippon only, head contact was allowed and also with many who have the rank but are not really fighters. Shotokan was never meant to be a fighting system per se but more of a physical culture/education system, that explains the popularity in my opinion.
LosBats 3 days ago
What? Have you ever seen a boxer how gets kicked with low kicks especially? Sure, boxing is one of the best, as Thaiboxing, but please - Crap Maga? Tha'ts so naive. Kyokushin is one of the best styles and considered the most brutal. And be sure it's far better than Shotokan, with all my respect to.
AryanBulgar 1 month ago
Great vid!!
frostyjohn2u 1 month ago
Does anyone know if there is a kyokushin school in the areas of Pitsfield Mass or Albany New York?
ConnorTheTiger 1 month ago
I ♥ Karate Kyokushin
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MrMastermcz7 1 month ago
00:41 is the best. busted that dudes face.
VegaManX7 1 month ago
Oh, man, go bother someone else, it's full of MMA idiots. Cause you haven't met a good one, it doesn't mean there aren't. Most of all, you're nobody as criteria, haha, retard.
AryanBulgar 2 months ago
Like Filipino Martial Arts better because it's meant for survival and staying alive while Kyokushin is starting to become more of a combat sport. But in a street fight a Kali practitioner can use a razor blade and slice up those fucking karate brats.
DaddyWarbucks452 2 months ago
@DaddyWarbucks452 Yet, good kyokushinkais practice and teach kihon, kata and kumite. <- often to practice also is added some weapons such as bo, bokken and knife. Obviously someone who continuously practices only to use one or few weapons, is better at that than those who have it only as a side. But how about empty handed combat? There is a place for every martial art, and that depends from every individual and their needs.
pastropmal 2 months ago
Kyokushin fighting is hard,there training is very good.
bladegeo 2 months ago
They look totally off balanced...
DanBlabbers 2 months ago
@DanBlabbers I don't see that. You mean the part where they get kick to the head?^^
pastropmal 2 months ago
@pastropmal Maybe I'm wrong, they could've done A LOT of horse stance haha
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kanivelil 3 months ago
Osu! Anyone knows which song is it on the vid?
vanc1003 3 months ago
I can see that it's a pretty tough martial art and I'm sure it's very painful and grueling, but I don't think it's the best training for a real fight. I say that because you can't punch to the head. Now you're going to argue that getting hit with bare knuckles is more badass. But when I train kickboxing with my 16oz gloves, I'm making my punches all the more faster, and my arms/shoulders stronger. Also, learning how to block punches to the head is a good skill to have
AQUIETMOISTURE 3 months ago
@AQUIETMOISTURE Idk, Wether anyone's gonna argue that. We know.;) It's just that these are the rules that have been set. While you can - and many do - practice stuff in sparring that is not allowed in tournaments (head punches, grappling etc.). In tournaments it goes like this.
pastropmal 3 months ago
@pastropmal If he makes shoulders harder with those gloves, he should be 30 kg of weight, haha! Kickboxing lacks the technique Kyokushin has. No way to explain what you want to the stupid martial arts practitioners.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar No way to explain? How about you tell your theory about the gloves to the guy who claimed something about it. (BTW, in kickboxing you keep you hands up all the time so hands and shoulders do get stronger there...) Kyokushin also lacks for what kickboxing has.
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AryanBulgar 3 months ago
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@pastropmal And what about bare knuckes - do you have any idea how they dig? Kyokushin guard is hands up, just in a different way. Sure you don't know the Shinken shobu rules with headpunching. We've also elbow strikes, knees. As well as Kyokushin MMA rules. Kancho Royama was in Bulgaria this summer on international Kyokushin camp and he explained us what this guard is about, so I won't listen you instead of him.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
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@AryanBulgar Hey you racist piece of shit, why don't you learn English before you try and speak it. It makes things a lot easier for normal people to understand when you aren't flapping your dumb racist mouth about something you don't even know about. Go suck a black dick.
AQUIETMOISTURE 2 months ago
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AQUIETMOISTURE 2 months ago
What a no-lifer. You, jealous inferior semitic scum, is the biggest crap the nature ever created. And while I'm superior in every way, you keep being primitive and savage. You'll never know what is aryanbulgar or bulgARIAN, cause you're subhuman. And your arguments are so childish and stupid.
While I've nothing to do with WWII you've been banned everywhere in all of your history of no-state tribe. You're a parasite. You're stupid and illiterate. No matter how many comments you'll write.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Why are you calling anyone "stupid and illiterate" when you wrote, "You...is the biggest crap..."?
You is? Idiot.
solpapisolmook 2 months ago
@solpapisolmook Try again writing something that makes more sense, dumbass.
AryanBulgar 2 months ago
@AryanBulgar Something that makes more sense, like your "you is"? Idiot.
solpapisolmook 2 months ago
@solpapisolmook Yeah, you write even more stupid things, haha, smartass!
AryanBulgar 2 months ago
@AryanBulgar Really? Such as?
solpapisolmook 2 months ago
the bull didn't make anything for punch him
pilystation 3 months ago
valgez1, AryanBulgar is the same as bulgARIAN, you retard inferior moron. You can not enter the toilet, cause you're a toilet product. And no - I don't have any tatoos, you childish cretin.
You're degenerate pervert semite crap while I'm proud of being white aryan and you're jealous of, it's so clear and you - so pathetic. "Fascism" is different than nazism, you illiterate idiot, haha! Go read the Talmud and shake your head in trance.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar No, you are not bulgARIAN :-) you, pathetic liar, it's AryanBulgar - which means piece of fascistic shit - means you! You won't hide your filthy inferior fascist nature, you're not even under-human , you're under-swine :-) You place is with the pigs - you, inferior 'Proud" so called aryan :-) Only inferior under-swines like you can be proud of being Aryan. I cannot enter the toilet, cause you make it unbearably filthy. You, fascist sub-swine, i spit on YOU, inferior creature :-)))
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar How can I be jealous of someone like you being an under-swine ? :-) The only emotion I have is a desire to step on you and push you even deeper into the filth - exactly the place where you came from and where you really belong and then spit on you, inferior fascistic under-swine :-)) that's the only treatment you deserve, fascist under-pig.
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar And that's the very treatment you received during WW2, I see there are still ones like awaiting their fate - it'll come, don't worry, fucking fascist under-pig :-))))
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar What a looser you are! :-) You're even marking my comments as Spam, what ? Ashamed of your own under-human swine nature ? :-) May be you are not that spoiled after all, if you're still able to be ashamed of smth, you FUCKING PIECE OF UNDER-HUMAN CRAP !
valgez1 3 months ago
valgez1, No, come to Bulgaria to see how genetically defected you the jews are. And since you're always into homosexualism - Tel Aviv is the gay capitol of the Middle East, hahaha! Your arguments are so retard, but you're a jew, it's normal to be inferior and pathetic. And you're dirty semite, while I'm proud aryan, stop being jealous of.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar I wouldn't even enter the same toilet you've been in, you, disgusting piece of fascist crap. karateka? HAHA!!! You're not even karateka, you're a crippled infantile kid, who put Kykoshin tattoos - remove them, they are just not for you, you, piece of crap :-)))
valgez1 3 months ago
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@AryanBulgar You are aryan? :-)) Hardly... You are just a small neonazi puppy. I've heard all neonazis are passive homosexuals - still enjoying it after getting it up their asses during WW2. Come to Tel-Aviv - i'll finish what my Grands didn't finish - I'll tear your fascist ass to pieces with Swastika. :-) You call yourself "AryanBulgar" ? You are just a piece of fascistic shit. So, gonna keep on shitting in Youtube or come here to taste some, fucking neonazi piece of crap.
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 No, not hardly, but absolutely, you jealous semite. You've herd homosexual stories cause you want to listen such, haha! Your defected grandparents did nothing anyway, just killing palestinian children. That's the best you can do. And make difference, you illiterate dumb, between fascit and nazi. And why not you come in Bulgaria, I've nothing to do in your desert shit among inferior semites. You, virtual troll and no-lifer.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago 3
@AryanBulgar Come to Bulgaria? What for ? To see a crippled twat, like you? :-) So, the homosexual stories are true? I just guessed, you confirmed. Tell me, how many times should you let your local Fuhrer fuck you before he lets you lick his shoes ? You are just a degenerate. when young, we used to go have a fun beating the crap out of fascist shit like you. Right, you're not neonazi - you're not even allowed to lick your Fuhrer\s boots yet . You are not even a karateka - you're just a sad nazi
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar You are the worst piece of crap the Earth has ever bore :-)) I suggest you remove Kyokoshin tattoos (if you have any) and replace them with swastika, so everyone knows what you, in fact, are. You are a total disgrace to Kyokoshin spirits :-)) I'm sure some Jewish girl laughed at your small prick - can't think of any other reason how you became such a piece of crap :-))
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 Some more stereotypical words, you're great, haha! Man, you type so stupid things, every one is worst than the previous. And please, I'm quite a normal karateka, while you're disgrace to the human kind, you inferior primitive semite.
Everything you write is around sex - sorry, I thought pedophilia is normal regarding the Talmud, hahah! Done with you, pseudo-fighter.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar You're done with me ? HAHAHA!!! you did nothing and you're done with me already ??? What a joker you are, you, fucking piece of fascist crap!!! :-)) But I'm not done with YOU yet, with the sorts of garbage like you are :-))) I'm gonna join "Hunters for the degenerate fascist" organization , put some Swastika in my pocket, to use it at each opportunity to shove it up some fascist ass and make him whine like a pig, you fucking Nazi piece of crap HAHA!!!
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Quite a normal karateka? YOU?? :-) hard to believe... - you're quite a normal stinky fascist pig - much easier to believe.
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar You don't wanna know what my Grandad did to the crap like you during WW2. All were tough guys killing unarmed Jews, but, turned to screaming swines when my Grandad, a partisan, handled them, they screamed "Hitler Kaput" and cried like infantile kids. Even Nazis didn't treat the Jews, like my Granddad treated the ones of your kind. That is who you are: Infantile Kid, in an absolute need of a strong hand to lead you, trying to find the ones to blame you for your own misery - :-)))
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar What is AryanBulgar, anyway ? HAHAHA!!! Aryan ! HAHA!!! You're a fucking joke ! HAHA!!
valgez1 3 months ago
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@AryanBulgar You are Goy? That explains evrth - you can't even answer a simple question. You'd better remain this way, hehe...
valgez1 3 months ago
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TheHabboleon 3 months ago
valgez1 You really know shit for kyokushin. Why don't you think what is to hit with no gloves, how the pain get twice more than a gloved strike? And Kyokushin has headpunches, there're just two types of rules in competitions. Just learn to make difference between other Karate styles and Kyokushin. And come on, you pretend the retard boxing to be so good.
You've watched shit. Tell me - did Andy Hug suck? Semmy Schilt? Both Kyokushin fighters, not to tell more. Or Dolph Lundgren?
AryanBulgar 3 months ago 9
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@AryanBulgar Hmm... What will I tell you. I know much about Kyokoshin. How to explain it to you without offending you :-) I'd put it this way: compare Karateka and Boxer - who is better in punching ?
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 Haha, you insist on this punching, are you a wanker or something? Compare the two styles - who can keep longer distance and stil hitting? Can a boxer hold more than 2-3 lowkicks? Stop explaining shits man.
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@AryanBulgar Are you dumb or what ? :-)) I asked you a straight question - answer it, twat. :-)
valgez1 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Boxing, in terms of practicality is superior, its been said by countless martial arists, its the most effective close combat technique, as are Krav Maga and Muay Thai. And also maybe Shotokan.
GamerJelly 1 month ago
@GamerJelly how can boxing be the superior martial art style? no martial art is totaly completed, but I can tell you that Muay Thai is more effective and a more developed martial art style, you can't even use legs in boxing. no way that boxing is the most complete MA..
Icantfeeeeeelit 1 month ago
@Icantfeeeeeelit I never said it was superior in that way...
I said "In terms of practicallity" it is superior.
Put a Muay Thai fighter in a ring with a Boxer and the boxer would win.
Why? Think of how many punches Boxers take before they go down, some don't even go down and could take more. Think of how fast Muay Thai fighters go down.
Boxers are typically physically stronger, tougher and have faster reflexes. This is what i meant my Practicallity
GamerJelly 3 weeks ago
@GamerJelly Your stupid, using combined techniques punch+punch+kick to the head and the boxer will go down. You must be really ignorant if you'd think a boxer would be able to handle the legs, and what would the boxer do if they Thai boxer would clinch and put several knees to the head. End of discussion
Icantfeeeeeelit 3 weeks ago 2
@GamerJelly I disagree. Muay Thai fighters are hell of a kickers. Kicks have more reach than punches. Thaiboxers have good conditioning too, they can take hits very well. Of course, with boxing rules the boxer would win.
pastropmal 1 week ago
@GamerJelly Boxers wear giant gloves, Muay Thai fighters don't. End of discussion.
freeRadical16 1 week ago
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Dickhead... the gloves are the same. You have obviously never seen a Muay Thai match from this century.
abbas224 2 days ago
@valgez1 kyokushin puch are good since your punching with close distance and fast..boxing is a joke if u wanna compare it to a martial art..also that kyokushin have kicks down to the leg and up to the head
R3dTigerM40A3 3 months ago 2
@AryanBulgar I dont think you know what your talking about,i spar countless Karate guys my mma club,some of them have been on the England Karate squad and i ent met one yet that was any good with their hands ,Good boxers usually pull them apart in mma .
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AryanBulgar 3 months ago
Whats the dance song?
sickspeeed 3 months ago
Yes a lot of styles/arts have their strengths and weaknesses. That's why people learn multiple styles/arts to cover for those weaknesses. For example, a full on striking art will most likely have trouble against a grappler, so that striker learns a grappling martial art to cover up that weakness. Just remember with every weakness you lose, another always appears. This is directed at those who think a certain style tops all other styles.
MysteriousJedi 4 months ago
@MysteriousJedi Kind of true. As well as a grapler can find it hard to fight a striker. As a Kyokushin karateka, I can state that this Oyama style is amazingly adequate, cause we're pushed to train some grapling, MMA sparrings, cause the conception of the style is progress and adaptation to every kind of fighting situation.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Kykoshin is Great! No doubt... but don't you think that "solid base in grappling + some striking" is, in general, more effective than "base in striking + some grappling" ??
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 Hard to say, today some styles which are basically good got overrated, while some like Kyokushin got underrated. But anyway, rather a fighter should be complex, no matter which one is his stronger side, it's always personal. The balance grapling-striking and the way you apply them is important, cause for MMA is different than a real fight where you can use forbidden strikes for the MMA, as well as even biting and kind of.
Still, hard to define which way is better.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
OSU! from Poland
KoOuR3 4 months ago
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helsinki 4 months ago
OSU!
helsinki 4 months ago
This is the only form of Karate that i have never practised...having only watched others practising Kyokushin... i have much respect for this very useful Martial art...
Aromaticduck 4 months ago
@Aromaticduck so if you had done all the other forms you can answer me a question please. is there a form which allows it to punch to the head? maybe with gloves or something?
moxigen 4 months ago
@moxigen ..All forms of Karate (except kyokushin) allow punches to the head during Competitions or sparring...but only to get a point..not generally for a knockout... If you want something for a knockout using any part of your body (including fists) try Muay Thai and never rule out Boxing...and have a go at Krav Maga & Kempo Jujutsu...both devastating..
Aromaticduck 4 months ago
@Aromaticduck Yeah!!! Boxing rules! Add boxing to Kyokoshin and you'll get a perfect striking mix. In fact, Kyokoshin fighters that don't put time in boxing techniques are in a substantial disadvantage - K 1
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 No, actually Kyokushin is focused more on the punches, not mindless kicking like Taekwondo. It's even more hand orientated to hands than the Thaiboxing. The way a karateka uses his hands for sure is different than a boxer, but Kyokushin itself is however combined for all the limbs, not fists only.
It's like stating boxers don't rely on kicks and legs in K-1 which is also serious disadvantage. Anyway, K-1 is far from showing real fight - MMA fight - including grappling.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Yeah, but do you agree that Karatekas develop real bad habits while fighting standing close to each other, chin high, guard low, eyes are focused on the body - not on the head. No matter what techniques Karateka learns - it's useless unless practiced. Not mentioning reaction and speed the boxers have. With all the grace Kyokoshin has, lack of punches to head is a rather serious flaw.
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 I've been on an international Kyokushin camp here in Bulgaria this summer and it was led by the great master Kancho Royama. He explained that having a lower shoulder means they're stronger and it makes perfect sense since I do alot of powerlifting. The body says everything about the opponents move, not the head, it's right. Boxing is the greatest fists technique, but it still fists only, while Kyokushin has a different conception, so different techniques.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar No argue about that. I just say that Kyokoshin would be more complete if punches to head were allowed - hard to do it bare knuckled :-) Correct me if I'm wrong, but the earliest Oyama's version allowed everth, incl groin strikes, right ?
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 Yeah man, I told you - there're Kyokushin MMA rules, as well as Shinken shobu - with headstrikes with the smallest gloves possible. Many people believe we don't use elbows neither, but we do.
As far as I know Oyama was first judoka, so Kyokushin originally has some grapling techniques. That's why we still practice such today. Just after his death the japanese wanted to make his style look closer to the traditiona Karate, but it's still so different and improved.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Alot of people do to Kyokushin what they do to alot of other Arts, like Ju-Jutsu, Tae Kwon-Do, or Kickboxing. They generalise their Contents based on their Competitions, and ignore the fact that theres ALOT more in the Art that whats shown off thusly. Most of the Time, it isnt their fault though. They just dont know any better, which is quite fair enough. It isnt really obvious until you know. For example, Kyokushin has Head Punching. But Competitions are to prove Body Strength.
Caeviens 3 months ago
@Caeviens I know. Some people chose to be competitioners, others - to go deeper as fighters. I don't even care what my belt is, since I'm better than some higher belts.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Belts help hold ones Pants up, and their GI in place. Skill is something Subjective to the Individual. The only two Belts that matter, I think, are; The White Belt, for when you Begin. And the First Black Belt, for when you have your Foundations. Every other Belt, is less important. More Traditional Arts tend to readily accept such a Concept, more than Modern "Adaptions", where People sit around stressing about their Gradings.
Caeviens 3 months ago
@Caeviens I've watched some Shinken shobu videos - their punching is rather amateur. - Wouldn't stand a slightest chance against an average boxer. Add Boxing training to Kyokoshin - you'll get a fantastic striking art.
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 Thats just it, though. Thats already been done. Kickboxing. It isnt Boxing + Kicks, its Karate, modified to a Western Style. Kyokushin is not Boxing in the same way Judo isnt Jiu-Jitsu. Theyre different, and possess different means to ends. If Boxing is your Baseline for Good Punching, then anything else is bad by Comparison. If that makes any sense.
Caeviens 3 months ago
@Caeviens Come on, I'm talking solely about punching techniques :-) Actually, kickboxing quite sucks :-) - correct me if i'm wrong but they don't allow kicks below the waist. If they do - it's not KB anymore, but more MT - which is not coming from karate. Anyway, all this doesn't matter. What I'm saying is if one wants to perfect punching skills - there's nothing like Boxing. Even in MT, European fighters have edge over the Thai Fighters showing superior hand skills.
valgez1 3 months ago
@Caeviens Also, KB is very different from Kyok in a respect that they don't fight bare knuckled - the very essence and main advantage of Kyukoshin !!! I'd say use learn Kyokoshin + Boxing for a complete striking set. You'll learn both using bare hands and good boxing.
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 Not a bad idea. Im sure it would work for some :)
Caeviens 3 months ago
@Caeviens Yeah, right. I'd do it myself, just have no time for evrth :-)
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 Yeah. Its all good in theory, but multitasking Styles can be tricky if youre right into one. Of course, just practicing Guards in your own time could work just as well. As long as you Practice as seriously as you Train.
Caeviens 3 months ago
@Caeviens The problem is with defining "Styles" . if you consider fighting in its "Pure" form, you'll find no styles there, it will just be "Inflicting the max damage in all possible ways" :-)
valgez1 3 months ago
@valgez1 taekwondo and boxing :P
R3dTigerM40A3 3 months ago
@Caeviens What value does "Having head punches" have, if you don't use it in full contact competitions ? How are you exactly going to be good in smth without "Full time" practicing it ? By "Practicing" i don't mean kata or semi-contact fight, by "Practicing" I mean punching to "Kill" (like boxers do). With all due respect to Kyokoshin, its Punching is rather backwards.
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AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@valgez1 We've Kyokushin MMA tournamets,Shinken shobu rules - with headpunches with the smallest gloves possible.Also,the classical rules with bare knukles makes every punch twice deeper and harder than gloved one,so it has its advantages.And it's a wring statement "no matter what techniques karateka learns - it's useless unless practiced" - it's actually correct,but if you mean it for all the styles existing,not Kyokushin only. By the way - Dolph Lundgren,Semmy Schilt,Andy Hug - all karatekas.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@Aromaticduck It's clear that you don't know the forms of Kyokushin - Shinken shobu rules allow headpunching. There's Kyokushin MMA competitions too, cause we practice some grapling in our training. The classical competitions are no headpunching, but bare knuckles make every hit twice harder and digging, not like the gloves.
Kyokushin has elbows and knees and it's way more adequate than the overrated Thaiboxing, which is actually good. While Crap Maga is just another jewish shit.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar True..i don't know all the forms of Kyokushin..i've never heard of Shinken Shobu Rules. Its good you practice Grapling as many clubs do not. Thanks for the info, i shall look into it a bit more..
Aromaticduck 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Doesn't kyokushin have the same type of round house kick as muay thai? Just want to confirm.
OVERCAPITALIZE 3 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE Alot of the hits are the same not only in those two styles.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar Thank you i know. Because Kyokushin is a "new" style, so it doesn't make sense not to take from other style. For example Judo and Bjj ya know?
OVERCAPITALIZE 3 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE Oyama was first judoka, then started other styles and finally founded Kyokushinkai. So it's even a bit grapling oriented.
AryanBulgar 3 months ago
@AryanBulgar
Yeah. Daido Juku seems a great hybrid of the 2.
OVERCAPITALIZE 3 months ago
@OVERCAPITALIZE No.
pastropmal 3 months ago
@pastropmal K.
OVERCAPITALIZE 3 months ago
shit mae-geri at 0:40 tht must hurt!
xXOpTicMasSXx 4 months ago
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Kyokushin's like a kickboxing thing, itz awesome and gr8 for fighting in tournaments. But how do we defend ourselves in street attacks with it? no grabbing or submission holds! what do we do if multiple ppl come attacking together? The kicks aren't of long range enuf like that of
TKD or Kung Fu, so how do we save ourselves? :| ... No offence really, I'd just be glad if any kyokushin practitioner answers me. Thanks in advance :)
F91yzg 4 months ago
1. The Kyokushin syllabus does include strikes/defence to the head - just not allowed in tournaments;
2. All MMA styles have 'limitations' - you don't see strikes to the eyes, throat or groin;
3. Kyokushin was developed as a budo art - to build character NOT to be a boastful egomaniac (see most pro boxers/wrestlers/fighters;
4. Anyone who has fought against or trained with Kyokushin practioners respects the style.
5. There's no such thing as a bad Kyokushin dojo.
6. OSU!!
mycal64 4 months ago 2
@mycal64 5. What??
pastropmal 4 months ago
What are the rules of this? Looks interesting, like you can only kick to head and not fist the head?
tkdkadir 4 months ago
@tkdkadir
Full contact rules. Only kick to the head and no punch. You can attack the whole body, except the loin and the legs with front techniques.
Eliteninja007 4 months ago
@Eliteninja007 That is pretty awesome.
tkdkadir 4 months ago
dam it would be cool to see more ppl study kyokushin and blend it with their martial arts in mma :D not a single art is perfect by itself. it becomes truly deadly when mixed with other useful arts. id love to see kyokushin in mma more~
ganjislammer 4 months ago
@ganjislammer
All martial art is good. All of the has it 's pro and contra...mixed martial arts: learn 10 martial arts and end it on the floor. Kyokushin is the best :)
Eliteninja007 4 months ago
@Eliteninja007 haha yea i agree man most marital arts are good n they all got ther pros n cons. Although i think it depends in mma :p lot of the good fighers are a master of 1 art and they add other arts to their arsenal to improve xD its just that in an actual fight..its so hard not to go to the ground. i really wish mma would make a time limit for the ground :|
mspark89 4 months ago
ouch...
nilowlishblue7 4 months ago
Osu!!! from Serbia
TheKravojed 4 months ago 2
Great videoo and I love psychodelic trance and kyokushinkai karate, your my man :)))....OSUU FROM SERBIA!!!
PsychoCaki 4 months ago 11
@PsychoCaki Meni brt ovo vise lici na Gou... :@
tarjaa100 4 months ago
i wish MMA guys woulds use this in their repotoires, this would seriously light a spark on the excitement levels of their fights.
zoheb8765 5 months ago
@zoheb8765 GSP is a kyokushin black belt. He has some nasty head kicks. We just havent seen them anymore.
philosopha7 4 months ago
Just started taking kyokushin, and when my sensai demonstrated a straight punch at half speed on my chest, it felt like I was hit with a bowling ball, it's unbelievably heavy. Probably from years of pounding his fist on hard surface and the bones getting much thicker and denser than average person. A barrage of those to the head with no gloves would be fatal.
shingadelic 5 months ago
@bOnGNoP
The essence of Kyokushin kumite is the bareknuckles, the toughness and endurance it takes to withstand those punches and kicks to your body and not quit. If they were allowed, every fighter would just spam head punches and fights would be over in probably 2 seconds. Some kyokushin fighters go on to fight in K-1 and other MMA events that allows punches to the head and they do pretty well, see GSP, Francisco Filho and Andrews Nakahara.
shingadelic 5 months ago
@shingadelic No offense, but I wouldn't consider GSP to be much of a Kyokushin fighter. He rarely mixes it up with the kicks and seems to be bothered when he takes damage to the face. When was the last time you saw him finish a fight with a Kyokushin technique? He's more of a boxer with solid wrestling. Some real Kyokushin fighters who did great in other combat sports would be Bas Rutten and Alain Ngalani. (^_^)
1029Itachi 5 months ago
@1029Itachi That's true. He even has said he doesn't use those techniques (except there was something about low kicks if I remember right). He has though said the most useful thing he got from it was the attitude.
pastropmal 5 months ago
@pastropmal Meh......Kyokushin is not for everyone. Either way, the mental attitude he developed made him one of the best fighters on the planet. :D
1029Itachi 5 months ago
@1029Itachi Like MMA would make it so. unless there are really many of those best fighters.
pastropmal 5 months ago
@pastropmal (^_^)
1029Itachi 5 months ago
did he just beat a buffalo
humanoidelectricity 5 months ago
K.O!!! Kasumi WINS!
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BetHeaven 5 months ago
stupid music ,great fighter
qvorqvor 5 months ago
I use to practice kyokushinkai for close to 7 years before I stopped due to University studies a couple of years back and i definitely learnt how to strike to the head. You just pulled your punches to the head short and if someone would run into the punch then so be it. Kyokushinkai is indeed slightly limited to what it can do but i doubt you will ever see a kyokushin student that doesn't know how to fight!
Stl2iFe 5 months ago
I really respect Kyokushin and I would love to practice it. There are, however, two things that I don't like in this style: Katas and the prohibition to not punch the head. I think that Kata/poom se/kati and all kind of forms are very artistic, but pretty useless in a combative perspective. And not to train how to defend punches at your head is a great flaw.
Anyway, I heard some rumors about a "kind" of Kyokushin that is now using punches at the head...
TakedaMitsurugi 6 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi Its true that 90% of the people hate Katas , but it is really nice when you know them and you need them for belt exams , Punch to the head is not allowed on tournament but on street just hit him in head and game over :D , And you train how to defend punches , by holding high guard so you can block punches kicks and all those stuff :PP
bishketflux 6 months ago
@bishketflux In the street, you can use anything, even a gun. That's not the point. The point is that if you don't train punches at the head, you also don't practice punch defenses at your head. And to defend a punch isn't the same as to defend a kick. It's not just a matter of raise up your hands. You need to work it.
About being nice or not, its a matter of personal choice, but I probably would not have the choice to skip the katas and just keep the fighting part if I were a Kyokushin fighter
TakedaMitsurugi 6 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi well in my dojo we are training punch blocks to the head , also as self defence techniques like disarming a bat , gun and knife... it all depends on teacher
bishketflux 6 months ago
@bishketflux Yes, I also trained punch blocks to the head in a dojang, but training occasionally is not enough. I admire Kyokushin, but the presence of forms and the lack of punches to the head are a limitation in my opinion. I think that Kyokushin would be wonderfull with no forms and no punch limitation, but that would make Kyokushin just like kickboxing. I particulary don't care, but I think some people would.
TakedaMitsurugi 6 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi ye lack of punches to the head is some sort of limitation , i would love it comes back but with some sort of gloves (not boxing gloves something like gloves for UFC , that fingerless ones) Because they wouldn't allow bare knuckle :S
bishketflux 6 months ago
@bishketflux There's no point in fighting with bare knuckled. Not even the professional fighters do that anymore (they did once in the begining of the UFC), let alone us, people who doesn't live exclusively to fight. After all, no one wants to go to work or school/university with a broken face.
Boxing gloves are a good idea, Since Kyokushin, as far as I know, don't use grapples in combat, I think there's no problem.
TakedaMitsurugi 6 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi Mas Oyama intended it to be a pure style! The introduction of gloves takes away from the purity! Bare knuckle or nothing!
Stl2iFe 6 months ago
@Stl2iFe This is bullshit. Most of people don't want to go to work with the face cutted or smashed because of a martial art training. There's no any problem about using gloves. The real problem is not to train head punches, which is the kyokushin case.
TakedaMitsurugi 6 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi the point of kata is that if you learn the proper way to flow from one atack to another, and you do pretty much every combination possible due to the large amount of katas, after a couple years of doing it, when you need to do a certain combination of moves, you will be able to flow through with them without wasting time thinking about it.
ih8kkk 6 months ago
@ih8kkk It still seems useless to me. Boxing, Muay Thay, Savate, Kickboxing and many other striking martial arts has lots of combinations and none of them have katas. Also, the movements made in such forms (karate's Kata, TaeKwon Do's Poom Se and Kung Fu's Kati) are not aplicable even in tournaments, let alone a no-rules fighting. To me, this forms has its function in the past, but in modern times, its nothing more than just aesthetic thing.
TakedaMitsurugi 6 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi Kyokushin practitioners have had no problem going into K-1 and kicking ass! Just look at Andy Hug and Francisco Filho! Kyokushin teaches you how to fight no buts about it!
Stl2iFe 6 months ago
Don't forget GSP from UFC!!! =D
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@Stl2iFe Yes, Andy Hug (R.I.P) and Filho were great. But remember that these fighters also worked under K-1 rules that allows head punches, which means that they have trained to deal with it.
TakedaMitsurugi 6 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi well, whatever works with you is up to you, but ive seen some ppl do amazing techniques in real fights that they practiced through kata
ih8kkk 6 months ago
@ih8kkk It depends on the technique you're talking about. Any forms has move that are applicable in real fights and other moviments that are completely useless. To me, the best way to improve some kind of blow or grapple is practing that, not with a memorized "imaginary fight", but with a partner. But it's just a personal view.
TakedaMitsurugi 5 months ago
@TakedaMitsurugi Same can be said about the lack of submission and ground skills in muay thai, or that BJJ guys can't strike for shit (Jake Shield). No single MA is completely well rounded. Kyokushin offers a good base, because it instills extreme physical and mental toughness. Kyokushin fighters like GSP, Francisco Filho, Andy Hug, and Andrews Nakahara, were able fill the gaps in their karate with wrestling and boxing and became formidable fighters in K-1 and MMA.
shingadelic 5 months ago
song name? :o I iked it :)
Fixas9 6 months ago
Dang that kick to the head must have hurt. I forgot the name to that kick but is there any way to counter that move? I was thinking you could move back maybe but is there any other way?
Knight77774 6 months ago
@Knight77774 Sorry the kick at 1:05.
Knight77774 6 months ago
OSU!!!!!!!!!!! Kyokushin Karate with Shotokan Karate make one hell of good combination!!!!!!!!!!
ddtr12 6 months ago
The founder of Kyokushin karate (on the pictures who breaks ox's bull) was from Korea.
paulwonlee 6 months ago
damn they are so strong they cause lightning strikes O.o
thomasrul 6 months ago
dam that shit must hurt
jokeclanproductions 6 months ago
i would take down any of these guys XD, lol jk, im sure there are really good fighters learning this but one kick to my head and their dead, lol head kicks are a waste of energy and ridiculously easy to block, u can only set it up
gods1hell1spawn10011 6 months ago
@gods1hell1spawn10011 How stupid. Kyokushin headkicks are maybe the most danegrous of that kind. Can you block a man like Andy Hug? True, headkicks can not be performed in every fight, but they have to exist. No one will dare to kick you to the head if the situation is not good for it.
AryanBulgar 6 months ago
@AryanBulgar yeah, headkicks work and are awsome but i would destroy them without them, like bruce lee said, the quickest root to your opponent is the best, my fist is closer, and no one unless i highly respect them because they are gods can headkick me without getting wrecked
gods1hell1spawn10011 5 months ago
@gods1hell1spawn10011 Hahahaha, fine, fine! Just remember you're not Bruce Lee.
AryanBulgar 5 months ago
@gods1hell1spawn10011 you know what? A good fighter knows when to kick and when to hit... combination is the best.
UncoolShrimp 5 months ago 15
@UncoolShrimp True.
TheAnotherFighter 5 months ago
@gods1hell1spawn10011 You obviously have never experienced proper professional headkicks.
RozzoFX 6 months ago
@gods1hell1spawn10011 if they are so easy to block why you couldn't do this, as you really behave like after a good head kick
MsQwerty20092009 6 months ago
@MsQwerty20092009 what u just sayed made no sense and i dint understand it, but the funny thing is is i can kill u in under 10 seconds so HAHA i win
gods1hell1spawn10011 5 months ago