@Freundlichkeit82 LOL yea, children do not need punishment and criminals dont need it either. Hey how about this! LEts just let all criminals go to the corner when they do something wrong. LEts see how that works! If you are for putting criminals in jail then you are for neglect! How do you say? Because criminals are put into a locked room, sometimes even without any human interaction. This is called neglect and has been proven to be bad on the psyche, so we shouldnt do this.
Great video - if anyone is interested there is a great philosophy podcast series that goes over a lot of peaceful parenting ideas - "Freedomain Radio" - google it!
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The only serious "danger" from a spanking is the one you liberal propagandists cause by putting out your anti-spanking propaganda stigmatizing it with statistics you play with the numbers until they show whatever you want which alienates kids from their parents causing them to be raped in your prisons or need your abortions.
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There's never been anybody spanked to death but more people have died of AIDS than everybody killed in the Vietnam War. How do people get AIDS? Getting raped in prison because they can't afford to hire some greedy socialist lawyer who's raping his step-daughter and forcing her to have abortions to cover it up until they get AIDS,
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I said were brainwashed because you don't recognise that there is a big difference between spanking and physical abuse. I used to work with kids who were not spanked and they were pretty aggresive both physically and verbally.A girl I used to look after had problems at school because of her violent behaviour. She was aggressive towards me if she did not get her way, too. Yes, I was spanked as a kid and never behaved this way. How come, hmmm?
@camaranina So you´re invoking personal experience now, I must say I don´t take it very seriously because that is open to interpretations. I don´t know those children so I cannot say anything about them. You said that girl was not spanked and she was bad. Are you suggesting that she wouldn´t be violent if she was spanked?. That contradicts the evidence of many studies that seem to suggest that the more spankings the more likely the child is to develop difficult behaviour, mental disorders (more)
@hinatah89 Of course spanking is "effective" on the short-term because the child stops doing so for fear. But it just perpetuates anger on the child, and that is going to come out some day. I used to think like you do until I read "For your own good" of Alice Miller, it was an eye-opener and it make me investigate on the issue.
@hinatah89 Ah, I see so now the evidence doesn't matter too much, lol. But when it comes to all those studies made based on cases of children and families you also do not know and therefore cannot judge for yourself you just believe them, don't you. My oh my, some people just don't want to open their eyes when they "investigate". Instead of Alice Miller you should try John Rosemond ( I did not read him personally but he's a very popular author, and yes, he is a psychologist,too.)
@camaranina My English must be very bad because you don´t seem to understand. It is the other way around; I used to believe that spanking was ok. Then I started to investigated and change my viewpoint. Of course spanking is only a form of child abuse, a child can be abused without being spanked. I didn´t know anything about that guy you mention, but I google it. Among other things he says that spouses should be prioritized over kids; that´s even against nature. It´s natural for mammals to focus
@camaranina (more) on their offspring. You just need to watch how wild chimpanzees treat their children. They provide them with physical contact from birth (something that not many humans do), they play with them, they don´t spank them etc. That John Rosemond maybe a psychologist but he only seems to care about the selfishness of parents.
So now even research is not good enough for you? Hmm... something is not right. And you totally did not understand my previous post, too. Did you interview all people who were part of the studies you reffered to? If not then how come you take those studies seriously (rolling eyes) but you do not trust a personal experience of someone who spend a long time with a child a could observe how she behaved.
@camaranina What kind of research?.I don´t understand what you mean by that.
I didn´t interview all (nobody in fact) the people in those studies but I trust them because they were done by professionals who wanted to study the subject in an objective way (they weren´t biased to begin with).I don´t take your experience seriously because I suppose that you already believe that spanking as a tool for discipline (correct me if I´m wrong, that´s just my assumption).
@hinatah89 So what? I can say the very same thing about all those 'objective' studies. There are people whose life experience is completely different that studies suggest. See that is why I said you were brainwashed. You think spanking is wrong no matter the situation nor the way in which is done. It's just because the studies said so. To me spanking can work or fail as any other type of punishment.
@camaranina Actually I believe that spanking is wrong because it is disrespectful. In addition to that the evidence points that it is harmful, especially for the young children (the brain is most vulnerable). Of course there´re many people who defend spanking, because they have the prejudice that children are bad and need to be hit . By the way,would you consider acceptable to spank your spouse on the grounds that it´s good discipline or to solve "difficult behaviour"?.
@hinatah89 Oh dear, then all the punishments are disrespectful. Children can be bad, I don't think that can be denied in any way. And when they are bad, sometimes they need a spank. Oh, the wive beating argument again? That's from a different context. Also, you probably wouldn't send your spouse to their room or took their laptop away if they did something that pissed you off, would you?
@camaranina Children can be bad (I don´t that but I don´t think that they are good in a Rossounianian way. But I´m not going to discuss that) in the same way as adults. And what do you mean by saying they "need" a spank. Do you imply that if a child is never spanked he/she will be bad?. In skandinavian countries, spanking is banned both for teachers and parents and they are the best behaved in Europe according to many studies.
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Suspect whatever you like. I don't let people lecture me and put down my family.What the fu#k do you know about my parents that you dare to make judgements about them. I think your parents are pretty backwards people them judging by what sort of person you are. Brainwashed (yes!) and easily scared into believing in anything "scientific". Oh, have you heard there's 50% chance of becoming violent if you read too much "research"? LMAO.
@camaranina I just assumed that your parents used to spank you, because nobody would justify violence towards children unless they were spanked themselves (I am familiar with "I was spanked and and turn out ok".). Yes, my parents are backwards and many other things and I am not ashamed of saying it. Fortunately through reason I came to the conclusion that violence is wrong, regardless of the victim.
@hinatah89 I don't need to justify anything, don't worry. Spanking is a good method of disciplining children, if you think otherwise you're one of those brainwashed people who ignore a difference between spanking and child abuse. Time-outs and "motivation" often fail spectacularly, it's too hard to admit, isn't it?
@camaranina Brainwashed?! And who said that I´m in favour of "time-outs" and "motivation". I don´t know you, but I suspect you´re an arrogant person. There is enough evidence that spanking increases the possibilities for the child to develop violent or/and difficult behaviour. But maybe for you it´s to late to understand, you probably can´t break free from your parents upbringing.
I was a good kid, mostly very well behaved and polite but this was NOT because I was spanked. I have never raised a hand to my 5 year old and everyone comments on what a polite, respectful, well behaved and compassionate person she is. If I hit her, she would be so shocked and we would lose a vital part of our relationship, that of trust. Of course she sometimes mis-behaves, but it is enough to raise my voice - not shout, that is all she needs - this alone is enough to make her apologise
I was terrified of my father hitting me, because he did not know when to stop. I did not know what it was to trust a man in my early years and that certainly had an impact on me in later life. I don't want my little girl to feel fear and that is not to say she is not disciplined she is but through discussion and removal of privilege if necessary which is rare. She is a balance, thoughtful and sharing person brought up through reasoning not through violence.
@penneypen Your father used spanking in an irresponsible way. If he didn't overuse it would work. Spanking is like any other method of disciplining children - if used wrongly it fails.
rofl oh wow. I was spanked as a kid and I'm fine, same with my parents and grand parents. Whoever made this is fucking stupid. If you spank only when needed your kids aren't gonna grow up violent or crazy or stupid
Spanking is not counter productive. Its a punishment rarely given out, but when one sees a parent's belt, and thinks of the consequences of their actions, it breeds self discipline. If a child burns their hands on a stove, do you think they will put their hands on it again? Most likely not. Granted, too much spanking may be considered counterproductive or even abusive, but not when you use the method correctly.
Okay, as someone who was spanked by my parents and who was beaten by a child care provider, there is a world of difference. You automatically fail for invoking Godwin's Law, but do you really want to tell real victims of physical abuse that you know exactly what they went through because you once got a swat on the behind for whining in the supermarket?
Try having your legs and lower back beaten black and blue for not vacuuming properly, or your face pounded for accidentally biting during play.
my parents often told me, it hurts them more than it does me...now that i'm older i really believe they were right. Besides, how long did a spank on the bum really hurt for? I agree, kids do know the difference between being disciplined and being abused.
Even a child understands the difference of being diciplined or abused because a good parent EXPLAINS IT TO THEM! Usually they aleady know why they received the physical punishment. I don't want to live in a world where there is no dicipline of children!
Spanking becomes counteproductive and dangerous when its not done right...usually its not a spanking that took place but a beating.
I was spanked as well as all the kids in my family and we turned out fine. We laugh about it now....those were the days.
Physical abuse & molestation are very traumatizing. Spanking, however, is not. I won't speak for everyone b/c for some people religion is traumatizing but for others its enlightening. Does this mean we shouldn't do away w/ religion?
Obviousley this type of thinking is why our world is where it is now.... this thought proccess i totally wrong... spanking teaches respect, consequences for ones wrong actions ...
I don't think parents who spank should be jailed, they should just be made to go through a program that teaches them strict effective dicipline without hitting. That kind of dicipline takes more time but is more beneficial to the child. Most parents hit because they don't know any other way to dicipline or because it's quicker & easier or out of anger.
I was spanked...about 10 times...my whole life. I was a good kid. I am a good man. I hold no grudge against my parents and will hold no such grudge against my children. if my kid is being unruly and will not listen to me, some form of harsher punishment will be implemented. I'm not going to spank my kid for showing his face in public, but I will if they steal money from me, break something expensive out of spite or hurt another person out of spite.
its fucking wrong to hit people for any reason. Arnt kids people?
I got hit as akid, and now im fucking crazy. When i was little, i would think about killing myself. I thought nobody loved me. My dad always scares me, one time hes fun. Then he turns into a monster. A demon. I hated him. Now i think of killig my parents. If i ever had a chance iw ould. Dont hit your kids.
My mom beat me when I miss behaved, I mean who wouldn't get mad if there kid was in public pissing on all the furrniture, although I do blame the employee cause I was 5 and he would't tell me were the bathroom was. But a time out doesn't work because they just leave the time out room, and giving them a talking to doesn't work cause they all got a.d.d/A.D.H.D, and to finish it off, grounding your kid is just giving them the cue to act rebelliose cause they'll think they need to get one up on us
@ojanddiane897 actully if you fucking check the bible there isnt That quote was in the book of somebody else i forgot but if you need any prove search it.
Billybughead, Who is is ok to hit in the name of abuse? Women? employees? Why is it just the youngest of the population who have the least ability to defend themselves.
Ah yes, like the bleeding heart liberal douchebags you are! Keep hitting the thumbs down button to silence others who disagree and thumbs up your own! Take free speech away! Silence any other votes! All in the name of YOUR justice which otherwise opposes force, however unless you use it.
When children are hit for saying something that offends adults their free speech is taken away.
Adults can't be the only citizens with rights African Americans and women were once hit by their "masters" for the sake of discipline which they believed was sanctioned by the bible. Well, those verses are still there. Why is it that hitting children is now sanctioned.
Jesus was against physically assaulting another.He came to show people how to live in peace- many religious groups focus on his death
You have a completely closed mind to any reason and are really a waste of my time. You cannot deny the greatest people of all history were spanked and test scores only have to do with lack of parenting to begin with. When I yell a racial slur or something considered hateful I am penalized, that is also removing free speech. Where is the line drawn? Also keep in mind these are children, they are learning and growing. Much like a bonsai tree, the limbs must be trimmed to shape it.
yes, children learn whatever they are taught. Hilter and Sadam were victims of corporal punishment-that's what corporal punishment shaping did to them.
Yoiuseem very angry sir. I respectally made comments to help protect children from being hurt, and you then stated "You are really a waste of my time". I know that you truly have many qualities and in truth you can see all of God's children as equal
You are a waste of time because you have blocked off a portion of your rational thought process. You have chosen that you will not listen to any amount of reason. You are going to try to take people's parenting rights away based on emotion with little foresight on the repercussions.
Truth is, we live in an era where more people have tried your methods than ever and we are far more violent and terrible now than ever before.
Annie OAkly Admitted to being physically abused as a child
Billy the Kid was in foster care- corporal punishment was prevalent as the time
Billy the Kid was brought up in a fundamentalist Christian family-Believer himself
Many "criminals" and murders like Octavius Barron convicted of murder as a teen likely had corporal punishment administered at the very least in the school setting
The idea of less violence in history is an argument that corporal abuse inflicters use false-
You can't look at things in black and white, that is the fundamental problem with humanity these days. We need to accept that there are varying shades in the spectrum of colors that make up our various philosophies in life. Children do not need to be beat, I would join you side by site with a picket sign if I were protecting kids from being really hurt. However a spat like I refer to could be as little as two fingers merely tapping on a child's wrist to get attention.
The butt is resilient, I mean you can give a kid a smack on the bottom and be like... "No!"
Why would you do this? Because it is important psychologically to break hysterical behavior and to imprint a memory into the mind, it is a shock method. I would much rather use that method while my child was growing than make them learn things the hard way over the extent of life when they have set their mind to something at an early age that we have learned through time is wrong.
Too bad i am not a Christian, it is indeed a rather new thing for me after spending many years in theological schools and so forth but yes, I have finally decided not to ignore the clear achaeological and historical evidence that disproves the Bible almost without question.
Trust me I would love to enlighten you on the subject if you ask.
It is true some parents vent their anger on children and then they become bullies. However I feel that you have made a big mistake that all parents use this excuse so that they can hit children. Many parents love their kids and spank or slap them to teach them that there are consequences for things such as stealing. back then parents made children suck on soap for swearing and cursing now you hear it everywhere. anger isn't caused from just parents but also others feeling the need to be superior
You mentioned God, and said God would not condone this?
Which God do you believe in? "He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24)
"Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
You fucking Christian mother fuckers just give me the shits. Do you think God fucks little boys and girls in the arsehole? Abraham was a dumb fuck listening to a cruel and nasty little God. A fairy in the sky.
LOL I replied to theology with theology, it isn't my main argument to why I believe in spankings. Solomon wrote much of proverbs actually, not Abraham.
Who are you to call a being infinitely beyond you nasty? You have no idea of right or wrong Mr. Antitheist, nor do you have any idea of what caused the world or universe to be. God is also not depicted as a fairy in Biblical theology which is the topic of this conversation. You understand nothing, and can prove or disprove nothing.
And you are immune to research and scientific method and hold on to your 3500 year old tribal fairy stories. A horse an cart has proved it's worth over time, but I bet your not driving around in one of those. Your parents were probably seriously fucked-up Christians who beat the shit out of your regurlarly, whom you feel compelled to "honour" lest the truth be too much to handle. Start actually reading some decent literature, instead of your comforting fairy stories.
Via Scientific method you cannot disprove God or call God a delusion as a fact, you can only hold onto your hypothesis like al Atheists do. I am afraid no matter how hard you try, calling it science doesn't make it so. You Atheists aren't quoting science when you say God is not real, you simply speak arrogant assumptions.
I'm sorry that it makes you so butthurt that you just cannot do anthing other than try to convince yourself that you are scientifically disproving me.. when you aren't....
I'm not even vaguely hurt, let alone "butthurt" as you so nicely put it. The onus is on those who believe to prove there is a god. But how can you prove the existence of what isn't there in the first place? The comforting stories of ancient genocidal Hebrew tribes hardly suffice as evidence. If this god of yours is there, then let him show himself. Relgion is nice and such a great medicine, but it isn't truth and it's time to move on from god as an explanation for anything.
Yeah you are butthurt :P Anotherwords cry me a friggin river that you are bound to lose this argument along with every other Atheists who's only defense is to see if they can spam more replies than I can. (which btw I can definitely keep up with the best of them)
Your argument that it is the Creationist's responsibility to find proof is only valid if we are to tell you a creator is by science a proven fact. However for you to call God a delusion and use science as an excuse requires your proof.
I would never sign this because I am not blind enough to see only black and white. A slap on the wrist or a smack to the bottom (if kept light) and a corrective verbal warning are simply proven important techniques to etch correction into a child's mind. It should never be done out of anger (in the moment) but in love. People MUST be collected and calm before administering a spanking. It isn't black and white, everything in the entire universe has a level of variability. Don't be nieve.
I was spanked as a kid, I also chew with my mouth closed, I say excuse me to people, I say sir and maam. I do this in my late 20s, because I was spanked. I have never been been accused of a crime, I am a self taught programmer, why? Because I didn't run with bad crowds, I was spanked. I was a well behaved kid, not because I was a good person, it was because spanking leaves a negative footprint in the mind about an experience. I learned because the shock is remembered, this is bad, ok don't do it
Pure lies, it is a proven fact that a spanking from a psychological perspective is used to shock the system from hysteria. It does not have to be excessive. The people who founded every major civilization in world history were spanked. Don't be excessive but make your point, if you wonder why kids are unruly these days it is because of psycho babbling nut jobs like this guy teaching unnatural ways to raise children. Ever notice how popular Nanny shows are these days? It can sometimes save lives.
Well the catch, which these studies don't bring into effect, is that spanking needs to be applied as a direct stimulus response. If you only spank after the kid had driven you into anger, then he will play "chicken" to see how much he can get away with. The problem is not that spanking doesn't work, the problem is that it needs to be done properly.
Wait haven't you ever heard about Pavlov's work in behavioral psychology? Consistent pain stimuli such as spanking is very efficient when trying to condition a subject not to behave in a specified manner.
I don't understand how anyone with even the most basic knowledge of Pavlovian psychology would suggest that spanking is bad. It's very ignorant of modern science.
Precisely, Pavlov's dog, that is exactly my point. Even more so, this applies to the idea of if you slap a hysterical person the shock can many times knock them out of the laughing fit and prevent a catatonic reaction. This applies especially with tantrums. Even so, the shock of a mild strike gives the child a moment of thinking "YOU WOULDN'T!" and it gets full attention and etches better into long term memory. Sure, timeouts are nice, but far less effective.
LOL humans aren't dogs, that's why, and even for dogs rewards are best for training them, but that isn;t for humans either. Our brain has much different reactions to physical violence (yes even spanking). Behaviorism has been dis-proven as a truly effective means to interact with other people. It is just so ingrained in our society no one takes the facts seriously.
Frankly, I roll my eyes at the illogical arguments that keep popping up, such as "I hurt you to protect you" and "hitting them on the butt is magically different than hitting them anywhere else." Then there's the whole concept of teaching them to respect you only if you hit them. If it worked for you, you got lucky. If it didn't, take a number: you're now a statistic.
oooh how cute... well obviously people should have the common sense not to beat infants. However once a child is able to speak and comprehend their behavior a slap to the wrist or even the very sturdy behind is a good tool to teach the child about the consequences of poor actions as they are in real life whether you wish to admit it or not. I am sorry that there are so many bleeding heart moron hippies here, but spanking lightly without rage to teach is very effective and proven through time.
I still re-iterate you see absolute black and white.. good and evil... positive and negative. There are varying degrees to these things. My decision from Christianity has been recent after heavy personal study. I was hit pretty bad as a kid, but that doesn't mean I have a tendency to abuse others. I have learned that no matter what you must never hit a person or animal out of anger (unless protecting someone or yourself) and honestly, like I keep saying a slap on the wrist will at worst sting.
I know you want to use this as a weapon against me, but I was not just spanked as hard as my Dad could with a belt, he also punched me, smacked my head into things, comically he tried to brain me with a 17 inch monitor one day (prob woulda killed me) but it was plugged in still. THAT is abuse, what I refer to is a mild shock method and used correctly the heroes of our past are almost all products of it. Although I can't say I turned out bad even under the abuse. Not a criminal, but I am a geek.
@MiracleMile90 It goes like this, the reality of the world is survival of the fittest. The Darwinists call it natural selection. The psychologists look at the situation of corporal punishment as traumatizing. To the weakest of us, it will be, but the strong will overcome to breed stronger people. This is how we survive plagues and harsh labor conditions. The strong survive, the weak perish and for the long term bettering of our human race.
@MiracleMile90 Realism my friend, realism. You have a very narrow and polarized focus on this I suppose. You seriously think that shocking a child into behaving is sadistic? I think not. It is nothing less than training, I spent many years studying martial arts and I would never have learned a technique without a little pain. No Pain, No Gain.
That's not sadomasochistic it is REALISTIC. Living in a fantasy is delusional and if anything is a criteria of psychotic behavior.
@MiracleMile90 I can only imagine if people cushioned every fall I ever made in life for fear of psychological trauma. I wouldn't feel a need to push myself to fight harder, I would have given up my ambitions and vegetated. Eventually I would have suffered as charitable people no longer existed to cushion me. The long term results of being a care bear can be horrible. Sometimes it is better to extend a little tough love, again my last point, survival of the fittest.
@MiracleMile90 I didn't address your question, yes I had my mother, and yes she was my cushion. Don't take what I am saying as polar extreme toward hard hitting corporal punishment. When a blacksmith made a blade he would heat the metal then cool it to make it stronger. When we work out, we push ourselves and then we rest. When we work our jobs we do our best and then relieve our stress.
This is balance, it is why we live on this planet and neither burn or freeze.
I can account to 3 other major things happening in my life that caused me moments of insecurity. Yes the harsh beatings and abuse were one, but the real issues were being a caretaker for my dieing mom 14 years, being overweight as a kid and picked on badly, even teachers picked at me for being a bit too much of an abstract thinker. In the end I had to overcome it... I don't want kids to overcome trauma, but I think a sting kind of snaps kids into reality and is a whole other story than abuse.
You have forgotten what it is like to be a child. Quite typical of those who had to lock their true feelings away for self-defense purposes as a child.
Bahahahah! I am a big kid at heart my friend. You have forgot the last 6,000+ years of human history where spanking worked. lol
Oh yeah, you are an intellectual Juggernaut, your reasoning beats out that collective time frame of common human wisdom. It is an obvious, tried and true method. Don't fix it if it isn't broken.
On the flip side, because I am capable of seeing more than black and white in this issue, I say down with the abusive types. Those who use closed fists, etc.
heh... I will tell ya, i remember when I was spanked the right way though. I immediately got the idea because it is an early indicator that crimes have punishments and I have to be responsible for actions. Sticking my nose in the corner,... lol ... it was mildly amusing to me. Sorry I just won't agree that it is entirely black and white, and yes I had abuse but that doesn't mean I can't control my anger with weaker beings. I am not and never was a bully, but a parent is a guide to starting life.
Now we hit the other extreme. Come on, what does that teach? That people are mean spirited? Face it, you just want to let out pent up aggression. I believe in spankings but only a mild one as a lesson to teach a child that poor choices cause consequences and to stamp a memory into their mind. A light spat and a beating with a belt with metal knobs or holes to leave painful whelts is completely different. Slap a child on the wrist, tell them not to do the behavior, and put them in time out.
If you educate well your kids from the start, you should never need even to raise the voice to them because you will have taught them from their childhood the best things such as love, tolerane, sharing, attention , respect in order to be respected ...
Knowledge is but a part in a complex machine. You can lead a horse to water, but without understanding why it should drink, it won't. It will see the water but won't lower its nose.
This is the same concept. If you show baby einstein and david the gnome to your kids to try to teach them to be intelligent softies, it doesn't mean they will understand the emotional lessons related to why it is important to be kind to others. Nor will they understand consequences to disobedience.
How obvious can it be that you are black? Stop blaming people over a practice that ended almost 150 years ago that no living human could possibly have been responsible for.
Well then you are a bleeding heart liberal who uses racism as a tactic to demonize people taking opposing views. Which is it? I never said I supported slavery, I simply said I support light "Corporal" punishment and yeah ya know what? I am angry when people try to take my freedom away to parent how I like. You have no right to step on my freedoms because of your flawed understanding and emotional reasoning. It isn't black and white, no matter what a spat is not a punch. Get over it.
I think the government should flog one person a week, just to make sure the people knows who gives the orders and to respect their leaders. <---that would be satire to show you how ludicrous your comment is.
I use to feel the same way as you do til I raised kids. I am speaking from experience. Their are proper ways to spank that won't harm the kid mentally of physically. Sometimes sitting them in a corner or grounding doesn't work. Me, none of that worked until a threat of a spanking came up. Then I got back in line and I'm not scarred from it today. You'll find out when you have kids of your own.
but that's where patience comes in. There may be rare cases spanking is ok, but I know someone who has great kids and never laid a finger on them. Experience doesn';t make one right, because tell me that you didn't spank them out of frustration and stress? Safety MAY be a reason to spank them, but even still the best thing is to talk to your kids. And it only brought you back in line because of fear, tell me you didn't fear a spanking? Fear does not = love. ever.
well see you just said it yourself: There may be cases where spanking is ok.
So, it's this absolutist position, that spanking is never ok, and that we need to legislate it as such so that folks do hard time for raising their children...THAT is what I object to and see as just another sign of this country being in the crapper, waiting for the coming of The Big Flush.
No, I said if a child's safety is on the line, and they really don't listen, then sometimes measures may seem to need to be taken. But as for hitting your kids to teach them this false sense of respect and beleiving blindly, hell no. and I didn't mean to say spanking was ok, I just mean to say it's understandable, but there's always a better way.
You are absolutely correct in pretty much everything you said here. This is that bleeding heart attitude that really ruins our society. Change it now! Stop being a moron!
What a bunch of horseshit. If a child runs constantly into a street and gets hit by a car because your inability to discipline them, who's to blame? You are. I'd rather spank a kid for running into the road than to see that kid in a casket!! Life has consequences. Senceless beatings I'm against but a spanking for breaking a rule that may kill them I'm for.
You can punish a kid without hurting them. I know, my parents used to use physical punishment, and it made me fearful and angry, it didn't make me behave, it made me mad. I still deal with anger now, I'm 15 and fighting my anger issues, so don't tell me that spanking is a good thing, it teaches your child violence, anger, fear, and the only respect it teaches is false respect based purely on age.
Oh my, the famous Spank or Death argument, which is used by every single pro-spanking parent in existence. Too bad simply watching your child gets rid of the need to hit them. You cannot expect to leave a toddler alone outside. I know it's shocking, but it's true.
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Shove the sanctimony up your ass. You most likely HAVE hit a kid and are trying to safely go on youtube to make yourself feel good after AA meetings.I know a PHONY when I see one. Sell YOUR SUV, hypocrite!
I don't know about you, but spanking a child over 9 is pure disgusting and sexual abuse, lots a kids these days are hitting puberty way quicker so it'd be just sick , and anyways spanking would not make a difference at that age maybe a 4 yr. old but, yeah you get my point
I agree. Thankfully I've never been spanked, but just the thought of having that done to me makes my skin crawl. I'm so glad my parents never did that, and I can't put into words how much I appreciate them. You'd be surprised at how many parents still spank their preteens/teenagers. I think it's just plain sick.
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All you need to do is look at kids these days, and read their profanity-laced comments on a variety of videos, to understand that there's an entire generation of young whelps who's parents never had the courage to teach them respect.
Perhaps you should read the research about the consequences of spanking before making a comment like that. Just google "project no spank" and click on research.
My comment does concern the consequences of a no-spanking society run amok. I'm not talking about doing it in anger, or excessively, or any of the other over-the-top abusive behavior that masquerades as corrective measures. I'm talking about one of the most important things a parent can do -- teach their child right from wrong. Sometimes a "timeout" just doesn't cut it. A child raised by parents so scared of being their kid's friend that they fail to be a parent remain just that -- a child.
Billybughead, you are 100% correct and it sickens me that people like this are out there trying to pass legislation against the most tried and true method of correcting children there is in all of history. What you are referring to is absolutely okay, a slap on the wrist WILL NOT harm a child psychologically, it will teach him or her that consequences exist for poor choices and it is better a child learn it through that than drugs, crime, or a fight gone wrong.
Exactly. I'm not talking about wackin' 'em with sticks like they do in Singapore or whatever, or about making it a routine for the slightest of things or failing to call their parent "Mommy Dearest", or for no reason just to show 'em who's boss. Thankfully someone else out there isn't seeing things in black and white.
Amen brotha! These people are completely narrow minded and it is pitiful to see people live like that! I would hate to see how their kids end up.
Like it or not, people who say violence today is caused by this are morons. This is now an age where more people were brought up without spankings than ever before. 50 years ago not spanking your kids would be unheard of and just look at the rising trends in crime over the years! It isn't just spanking though but that is one element.
Why is it that test results are so low is the states that allow corporal punishment in schools. Aslo, the teen pregnancy rate is very high in these states as well.
School districts that hit children legally are mostly mostly former slave states.
Sadam and Hitler were both physically abused.What do you think will will result from teaching a child with respect: they will in turn treat others like that.
Mr Rogers was a great example on how to interact with the youngest of our population.
Oh, yes, I agree. Let's do away with free speech. Make me shut up because I don't tow the liberal line.
This video, and the commentary of its defenders, takes an extremist, absolute view towards discipline, attempting to eradicate the distinction between discipline and abuse. Damn straight it should be called out for what it is: A propaganda piece.
The best way is to EXPLAIN to a kid what are the consequence of his poor choices. If the consequences of his poor choices are a slap on his wrist, then actually it is a very bad start. The kid should learn that the consequences are people not respecting them, people getting hurt etc...
By that same logic a 12 year old girl is by far ready for marriage then. I guess we wrongly accused a lot of pedophiles in the past huh? Psychological development periods aren't important after all, you can explain things to a toddler, it will understand perfectly and heck the kid might even reply to you with a saucy yet mannerful oxford english style accent.
Get real, you can't reason with a child who has not experienced the "Why" portions of life.
My point exactly. I make a clear distinction between spanking and beating. But fail to instill respect and you will have children that grow up into, well, a me-generation. And that's a failure on the parents' part, a failure that affects the rest of society. The decline of Western Civilization was bad enough with Dr. Spock's philosophies, but 40 years latter we've gone far beyond the me-generation. No one instills a sense of right and wrong any more as Moral Relativism rules the day.
But there has to be a line between abuse and teaching. If you study any martial art, you know that being struck is often a tool for learning. Even if it is Aikido, you have to learn that if you don't roll from a throw you will hurt yourself. A mild spanking or slap on the wrist is nothing more than gently expressing the outcome of poor choices and hopefully sparing them a collapsed windpipe when they go to a bar and talk smack to a mixed martial artist with a mean throat punch.
You believe in redemptive violence. We are all raised on a steady diet of it and believe that we have no other choice except to give in or fight back.
Non violence, mediation, problem-solving work. Jesus counsels Christians to love their enemies. His wisdom tells us that on some level, we all need our opponent.
Aikido is the only martial art that deals with your attacker without harming that attacker. It is a spiritual as well as a physical discipline.
Currently nearly 90% of ALL parents in the United States still hits their child at some point. Most do it multiple times. A quick google search will tell you that.
Also the crime rate continues to go down each year and is the lowest it has been in years.
Also do you dare think that these comments with "profanity" (who cares?) are just kids? I would say that you are ignorant to all the adults who take advantage of being anonymous.
There was a recent study within the last two weeks that found that children who did get spanked succeeded better than those that didn't. It's about teaching children limits; Fail to do so, and YES, they turn into unruly adults who swear all the time, thanks for proving my point. Note that the study stated it was detrimental to the "child" if they were spanked in their teens, or the spanking crossed over into abuse. I'm not advocating hitting, abuse, or punishment that's not age-appropriate.
I'm simply "daring", as you put it, to not remain silent to the extremists who feel spanking should never be done, to the point of where they wish to outlaw it and seize people's children should they attempt to install a level of decorum and discipline into their family.
Extremists? Standing up for the rights of individuals to live free and not be subjugated to physical violence? Who said seize peoples kids? I think a parenting class would do much better, maybe a fine for repeat offenses, as seizing kids from parents who simply spank would do much more harm than the spanking.
Did you actually read that study? I did, guess what? It isn't even finished yet, for starters. It is made by a Christian college.... what a surprise. Its indicators for success are doing well in school. School focuses on obedience, following orders blindly and breaking of wills.... yes spanking does help that. It helps to investigate the study, not just read a news article. The study is blatantly biased and its indicators for success have different views on "good" children.
I was spanked as a kid and I turned out fine, kids this generation are getting away with way to much, there becoming wussies and punks and no wonder they go out and kill people or something because the parents aren't doing there job to teach some discipline. If I cussed in front of my parents they put a bar of soap in my mouth, and it was for em to respect my elders and watch my language that's not abuse it's called a moral and common sense thing, America has lost there way!
Okay thank you for repeating the same exact argument that everyone else says... that has been dis-proven. Not to mention America... which is doing much worse than countries that have a blanket ban on spanking. Educate yourself. Don't expect me to respond to another comment of yours.
I encourage you to visit the website of the American SPCC in oder to raise your voice against violence. Children deserve a peaceful upbringing.
Freundlichkeit82 2 months ago
@Freundlichkeit82 LOL yea, children do not need punishment and criminals dont need it either. Hey how about this! LEts just let all criminals go to the corner when they do something wrong. LEts see how that works! If you are for putting criminals in jail then you are for neglect! How do you say? Because criminals are put into a locked room, sometimes even without any human interaction. This is called neglect and has been proven to be bad on the psyche, so we shouldnt do this.
MtthwSmmns 1 month ago
thank you for making this video
IllichSketchShow 4 months ago
Great video - if anyone is interested there is a great philosophy podcast series that goes over a lot of peaceful parenting ideas - "Freedomain Radio" - google it!
errorspending 7 months ago
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The only serious "danger" from a spanking is the one you liberal propagandists cause by putting out your anti-spanking propaganda stigmatizing it with statistics you play with the numbers until they show whatever you want which alienates kids from their parents causing them to be raped in your prisons or need your abortions.
Texasjim2007 7 months ago
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There's never been anybody spanked to death but more people have died of AIDS than everybody killed in the Vietnam War. How do people get AIDS? Getting raped in prison because they can't afford to hire some greedy socialist lawyer who's raping his step-daughter and forcing her to have abortions to cover it up until they get AIDS,
Texasjim2007 7 months ago
Not sure why I can't respond to this video
yourabundantliving 8 months ago
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yourabundantliving 8 months ago
Although I'm very against ALL forms of corporal discipline, this video does have beautiful images.
wonderglory 10 months ago 5
Sorry, I meant your experience
hinatah89 10 months ago
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I said were brainwashed because you don't recognise that there is a big difference between spanking and physical abuse. I used to work with kids who were not spanked and they were pretty aggresive both physically and verbally.A girl I used to look after had problems at school because of her violent behaviour. She was aggressive towards me if she did not get her way, too. Yes, I was spanked as a kid and never behaved this way. How come, hmmm?
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina So you´re invoking personal experience now, I must say I don´t take it very seriously because that is open to interpretations. I don´t know those children so I cannot say anything about them. You said that girl was not spanked and she was bad. Are you suggesting that she wouldn´t be violent if she was spanked?. That contradicts the evidence of many studies that seem to suggest that the more spankings the more likely the child is to develop difficult behaviour, mental disorders (more)
hinatah89 10 months ago 2
@hinatah89 Of course spanking is "effective" on the short-term because the child stops doing so for fear. But it just perpetuates anger on the child, and that is going to come out some day. I used to think like you do until I read "For your own good" of Alice Miller, it was an eye-opener and it make me investigate on the issue.
hinatah89 10 months ago
@hinatah89 Ah, I see so now the evidence doesn't matter too much, lol. But when it comes to all those studies made based on cases of children and families you also do not know and therefore cannot judge for yourself you just believe them, don't you. My oh my, some people just don't want to open their eyes when they "investigate". Instead of Alice Miller you should try John Rosemond ( I did not read him personally but he's a very popular author, and yes, he is a psychologist,too.)
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina My English must be very bad because you don´t seem to understand. It is the other way around; I used to believe that spanking was ok. Then I started to investigated and change my viewpoint. Of course spanking is only a form of child abuse, a child can be abused without being spanked. I didn´t know anything about that guy you mention, but I google it. Among other things he says that spouses should be prioritized over kids; that´s even against nature. It´s natural for mammals to focus
hinatah89 10 months ago
@camaranina (more) on their offspring. You just need to watch how wild chimpanzees treat their children. They provide them with physical contact from birth (something that not many humans do), they play with them, they don´t spank them etc. That John Rosemond maybe a psychologist but he only seems to care about the selfishness of parents.
hinatah89 10 months ago
So now even research is not good enough for you? Hmm... something is not right. And you totally did not understand my previous post, too. Did you interview all people who were part of the studies you reffered to? If not then how come you take those studies seriously (rolling eyes) but you do not trust a personal experience of someone who spend a long time with a child a could observe how she behaved.
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina What kind of research?.I don´t understand what you mean by that.
I didn´t interview all (nobody in fact) the people in those studies but I trust them because they were done by professionals who wanted to study the subject in an objective way (they weren´t biased to begin with).I don´t take your experience seriously because I suppose that you already believe that spanking as a tool for discipline (correct me if I´m wrong, that´s just my assumption).
hinatah89 10 months ago
@camaranina Also you´re experience contradicts other people´s.
hinatah89 10 months ago
@hinatah89 So what? I can say the very same thing about all those 'objective' studies. There are people whose life experience is completely different that studies suggest. See that is why I said you were brainwashed. You think spanking is wrong no matter the situation nor the way in which is done. It's just because the studies said so. To me spanking can work or fail as any other type of punishment.
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina Actually I believe that spanking is wrong because it is disrespectful. In addition to that the evidence points that it is harmful, especially for the young children (the brain is most vulnerable). Of course there´re many people who defend spanking, because they have the prejudice that children are bad and need to be hit . By the way,would you consider acceptable to spank your spouse on the grounds that it´s good discipline or to solve "difficult behaviour"?.
hinatah89 10 months ago 2
@hinatah89 Oh dear, then all the punishments are disrespectful. Children can be bad, I don't think that can be denied in any way. And when they are bad, sometimes they need a spank. Oh, the wive beating argument again? That's from a different context. Also, you probably wouldn't send your spouse to their room or took their laptop away if they did something that pissed you off, would you?
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina Children can be bad (I don´t that but I don´t think that they are good in a Rossounianian way. But I´m not going to discuss that) in the same way as adults. And what do you mean by saying they "need" a spank. Do you imply that if a child is never spanked he/she will be bad?. In skandinavian countries, spanking is banned both for teachers and parents and they are the best behaved in Europe according to many studies.
hinatah89 10 months ago 3
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Suspect whatever you like. I don't let people lecture me and put down my family.What the fu#k do you know about my parents that you dare to make judgements about them. I think your parents are pretty backwards people them judging by what sort of person you are. Brainwashed (yes!) and easily scared into believing in anything "scientific". Oh, have you heard there's 50% chance of becoming violent if you read too much "research"? LMAO.
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina I just assumed that your parents used to spank you, because nobody would justify violence towards children unless they were spanked themselves (I am familiar with "I was spanked and and turn out ok".). Yes, my parents are backwards and many other things and I am not ashamed of saying it. Fortunately through reason I came to the conclusion that violence is wrong, regardless of the victim.
hinatah89 10 months ago 7
Hahaha, that's a good one!
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina That´s true. If you think otherwise I bet it is because you need to justify your parents behaviour.
hinatah89 10 months ago
@hinatah89 I don't need to justify anything, don't worry. Spanking is a good method of disciplining children, if you think otherwise you're one of those brainwashed people who ignore a difference between spanking and child abuse. Time-outs and "motivation" often fail spectacularly, it's too hard to admit, isn't it?
camaranina 10 months ago
@camaranina Brainwashed?! And who said that I´m in favour of "time-outs" and "motivation". I don´t know you, but I suspect you´re an arrogant person. There is enough evidence that spanking increases the possibilities for the child to develop violent or/and difficult behaviour. But maybe for you it´s to late to understand, you probably can´t break free from your parents upbringing.
hinatah89 10 months ago
i think you have spanking confused with child abuse
dropline360 10 months ago
I was a good kid, mostly very well behaved and polite but this was NOT because I was spanked. I have never raised a hand to my 5 year old and everyone comments on what a polite, respectful, well behaved and compassionate person she is. If I hit her, she would be so shocked and we would lose a vital part of our relationship, that of trust. Of course she sometimes mis-behaves, but it is enough to raise my voice - not shout, that is all she needs - this alone is enough to make her apologise
penneypen 1 year ago
I was terrified of my father hitting me, because he did not know when to stop. I did not know what it was to trust a man in my early years and that certainly had an impact on me in later life. I don't want my little girl to feel fear and that is not to say she is not disciplined she is but through discussion and removal of privilege if necessary which is rare. She is a balance, thoughtful and sharing person brought up through reasoning not through violence.
penneypen 1 year ago
@penneypen Your father used spanking in an irresponsible way. If he didn't overuse it would work. Spanking is like any other method of disciplining children - if used wrongly it fails.
camaranina 1 year ago
@camaranina Spanking is counterproductive, denying this is the equivalent of denying evolution.
hinatah89 10 months ago 7
you're stupid
Blacklockdown 1 year ago
rofl oh wow. I was spanked as a kid and I'm fine, same with my parents and grand parents. Whoever made this is fucking stupid. If you spank only when needed your kids aren't gonna grow up violent or crazy or stupid
invaderdorkavatar 1 year ago
Spanking is not counter productive. Its a punishment rarely given out, but when one sees a parent's belt, and thinks of the consequences of their actions, it breeds self discipline. If a child burns their hands on a stove, do you think they will put their hands on it again? Most likely not. Granted, too much spanking may be considered counterproductive or even abusive, but not when you use the method correctly.
Runescythe9852 1 year ago
So wait...kids who are smacked...grow up to be nazis?
I better get matching, der fuhrer is not going to like this slacking off.
DictatorOfEngland 1 year ago
Okay, as someone who was spanked by my parents and who was beaten by a child care provider, there is a world of difference. You automatically fail for invoking Godwin's Law, but do you really want to tell real victims of physical abuse that you know exactly what they went through because you once got a swat on the behind for whining in the supermarket?
Try having your legs and lower back beaten black and blue for not vacuuming properly, or your face pounded for accidentally biting during play.
kendobunny 1 year ago
my parents often told me, it hurts them more than it does me...now that i'm older i really believe they were right. Besides, how long did a spank on the bum really hurt for? I agree, kids do know the difference between being disciplined and being abused.
larrythecucumber39 1 year ago
Nice video! There's need to hit your kids at all.
MrSonicAdvance 1 year ago
Even a child understands the difference of being diciplined or abused because a good parent EXPLAINS IT TO THEM! Usually they aleady know why they received the physical punishment. I don't want to live in a world where there is no dicipline of children!
99cachorro 1 year ago
Spanking becomes counteproductive and dangerous when its not done right...usually its not a spanking that took place but a beating.
I was spanked as well as all the kids in my family and we turned out fine. We laugh about it now....those were the days.
Physical abuse & molestation are very traumatizing. Spanking, however, is not. I won't speak for everyone b/c for some people religion is traumatizing but for others its enlightening. Does this mean we shouldn't do away w/ religion?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
Obviousley this type of thinking is why our world is where it is now.... this thought proccess i totally wrong... spanking teaches respect, consequences for ones wrong actions ...
kwvrad2 1 year ago
I don't think parents who spank should be jailed, they should just be made to go through a program that teaches them strict effective dicipline without hitting. That kind of dicipline takes more time but is more beneficial to the child. Most parents hit because they don't know any other way to dicipline or because it's quicker & easier or out of anger.
PaperMoon2010 2 years ago
Very good video! :)
PaperMoon2010 2 years ago
I was spanked...about 10 times...my whole life. I was a good kid. I am a good man. I hold no grudge against my parents and will hold no such grudge against my children. if my kid is being unruly and will not listen to me, some form of harsher punishment will be implemented. I'm not going to spank my kid for showing his face in public, but I will if they steal money from me, break something expensive out of spite or hurt another person out of spite.
alestercane 2 years ago
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Child buttock-battering vs. DISCIPLINE:
Child buttock-battering for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.
Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit.
Here are some good, quick reads recommended by professionals:
Plain Talk About Spanking
by Jordan Riak,
The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
by Tom Johnson,
NO VITAL ORGANS THERE, So They Say
by Lesli Taylor M.D. and Adah Maurer Ph.D.
PhDeverit 2 years ago
its fucking wrong to hit people for any reason. Arnt kids people?
I got hit as akid, and now im fucking crazy. When i was little, i would think about killing myself. I thought nobody loved me. My dad always scares me, one time hes fun. Then he turns into a monster. A demon. I hated him. Now i think of killig my parents. If i ever had a chance iw ould. Dont hit your kids.
Lovingboyify 2 years ago 3
My mom beat me when I miss behaved, I mean who wouldn't get mad if there kid was in public pissing on all the furrniture, although I do blame the employee cause I was 5 and he would't tell me were the bathroom was. But a time out doesn't work because they just leave the time out room, and giving them a talking to doesn't work cause they all got a.d.d/A.D.H.D, and to finish it off, grounding your kid is just giving them the cue to act rebelliose cause they'll think they need to get one up on us
ThePlanetSoul 2 years ago
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ojanddiane897 2 years ago
@ojanddiane897 actully if you fucking check the bible there isnt That quote was in the book of somebody else i forgot but if you need any prove search it.
Lovingboyify 2 years ago
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ojanddiane897 2 years ago
Billybughead, Who is is ok to hit in the name of abuse? Women? employees? Why is it just the youngest of the population who have the least ability to defend themselves.
mothersson2002 2 years ago
Ah yes, like the bleeding heart liberal douchebags you are! Keep hitting the thumbs down button to silence others who disagree and thumbs up your own! Take free speech away! Silence any other votes! All in the name of YOUR justice which otherwise opposes force, however unless you use it.
leonheart00 2 years ago
When children are hit for saying something that offends adults their free speech is taken away.
Adults can't be the only citizens with rights African Americans and women were once hit by their "masters" for the sake of discipline which they believed was sanctioned by the bible. Well, those verses are still there. Why is it that hitting children is now sanctioned.
Jesus was against physically assaulting another.He came to show people how to live in peace- many religious groups focus on his death
mothersson2002 2 years ago
You have a completely closed mind to any reason and are really a waste of my time. You cannot deny the greatest people of all history were spanked and test scores only have to do with lack of parenting to begin with. When I yell a racial slur or something considered hateful I am penalized, that is also removing free speech. Where is the line drawn? Also keep in mind these are children, they are learning and growing. Much like a bonsai tree, the limbs must be trimmed to shape it.
leonheart00 2 years ago
yes, children learn whatever they are taught. Hilter and Sadam were victims of corporal punishment-that's what corporal punishment shaping did to them.
mothersson2002 2 years ago
Yoiuseem very angry sir. I respectally made comments to help protect children from being hurt, and you then stated "You are really a waste of my time". I know that you truly have many qualities and in truth you can see all of God's children as equal
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mothersson2002 2 years ago
You are a waste of time because you have blocked off a portion of your rational thought process. You have chosen that you will not listen to any amount of reason. You are going to try to take people's parenting rights away based on emotion with little foresight on the repercussions.
Truth is, we live in an era where more people have tried your methods than ever and we are far more violent and terrible now than ever before.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Annie OAkly Admitted to being physically abused as a child
Billy the Kid was in foster care- corporal punishment was prevalent as the time
Billy the Kid was brought up in a fundamentalist Christian family-Believer himself
Many "criminals" and murders like Octavius Barron convicted of murder as a teen likely had corporal punishment administered at the very least in the school setting
The idea of less violence in history is an argument that corporal abuse inflicters use false-
mothersson2002 2 years ago
You can't look at things in black and white, that is the fundamental problem with humanity these days. We need to accept that there are varying shades in the spectrum of colors that make up our various philosophies in life. Children do not need to be beat, I would join you side by site with a picket sign if I were protecting kids from being really hurt. However a spat like I refer to could be as little as two fingers merely tapping on a child's wrist to get attention.
leonheart00 2 years ago
The butt is resilient, I mean you can give a kid a smack on the bottom and be like... "No!"
Why would you do this? Because it is important psychologically to break hysterical behavior and to imprint a memory into the mind, it is a shock method. I would much rather use that method while my child was growing than make them learn things the hard way over the extent of life when they have set their mind to something at an early age that we have learned through time is wrong.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Ironically, name calling is condemned in the bible
mothersson2002 2 years ago
Too bad i am not a Christian, it is indeed a rather new thing for me after spending many years in theological schools and so forth but yes, I have finally decided not to ignore the clear achaeological and historical evidence that disproves the Bible almost without question.
Trust me I would love to enlighten you on the subject if you ask.
leonheart00 2 years ago
A proven fact, leonhart00? Quote the relevant literature. Lot's of nasty child-beating Christains on this site
AgapeNea 2 years ago 2
It is true some parents vent their anger on children and then they become bullies. However I feel that you have made a big mistake that all parents use this excuse so that they can hit children. Many parents love their kids and spank or slap them to teach them that there are consequences for things such as stealing. back then parents made children suck on soap for swearing and cursing now you hear it everywhere. anger isn't caused from just parents but also others feeling the need to be superior
narutodemonkid 2 years ago
projectEnlightenment,
You mentioned God, and said God would not condone this?
Which God do you believe in? "He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24)
"Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
Must not be the Abrahamic God.
leonheart00 2 years ago
You fucking Christian mother fuckers just give me the shits. Do you think God fucks little boys and girls in the arsehole? Abraham was a dumb fuck listening to a cruel and nasty little God. A fairy in the sky.
AgapeNea 2 years ago
LOL I replied to theology with theology, it isn't my main argument to why I believe in spankings. Solomon wrote much of proverbs actually, not Abraham.
Who are you to call a being infinitely beyond you nasty? You have no idea of right or wrong Mr. Antitheist, nor do you have any idea of what caused the world or universe to be. God is also not depicted as a fairy in Biblical theology which is the topic of this conversation. You understand nothing, and can prove or disprove nothing.
leonheart00 2 years ago
And you are immune to research and scientific method and hold on to your 3500 year old tribal fairy stories. A horse an cart has proved it's worth over time, but I bet your not driving around in one of those. Your parents were probably seriously fucked-up Christians who beat the shit out of your regurlarly, whom you feel compelled to "honour" lest the truth be too much to handle. Start actually reading some decent literature, instead of your comforting fairy stories.
AgapeNea 2 years ago 2
Via Scientific method you cannot disprove God or call God a delusion as a fact, you can only hold onto your hypothesis like al Atheists do. I am afraid no matter how hard you try, calling it science doesn't make it so. You Atheists aren't quoting science when you say God is not real, you simply speak arrogant assumptions.
I'm sorry that it makes you so butthurt that you just cannot do anthing other than try to convince yourself that you are scientifically disproving me.. when you aren't....
leonheart00 2 years ago
I'm not even vaguely hurt, let alone "butthurt" as you so nicely put it. The onus is on those who believe to prove there is a god. But how can you prove the existence of what isn't there in the first place? The comforting stories of ancient genocidal Hebrew tribes hardly suffice as evidence. If this god of yours is there, then let him show himself. Relgion is nice and such a great medicine, but it isn't truth and it's time to move on from god as an explanation for anything.
AgapeNea 2 years ago
Yeah you are butthurt :P Anotherwords cry me a friggin river that you are bound to lose this argument along with every other Atheists who's only defense is to see if they can spam more replies than I can. (which btw I can definitely keep up with the best of them)
Your argument that it is the Creationist's responsibility to find proof is only valid if we are to tell you a creator is by science a proven fact. However for you to call God a delusion and use science as an excuse requires your proof.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Jesus went against many of the Old Testament teachings He said turn the other cheek. Also 9:42 -
whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it
is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he
were cast into the sea.
Physically hitting children or verbally abuse them for that matter aren't following Jesus's teachings
To help end the barbaric practice, please sign petition:
America's Behind- Let's Catch Up by Banning Corporal Punishment of Children
mothersson2002 2 years ago
I would never sign this because I am not blind enough to see only black and white. A slap on the wrist or a smack to the bottom (if kept light) and a corrective verbal warning are simply proven important techniques to etch correction into a child's mind. It should never be done out of anger (in the moment) but in love. People MUST be collected and calm before administering a spanking. It isn't black and white, everything in the entire universe has a level of variability. Don't be nieve.
leonheart00 2 years ago
I was spanked as a kid, I also chew with my mouth closed, I say excuse me to people, I say sir and maam. I do this in my late 20s, because I was spanked. I have never been been accused of a crime, I am a self taught programmer, why? Because I didn't run with bad crowds, I was spanked. I was a well behaved kid, not because I was a good person, it was because spanking leaves a negative footprint in the mind about an experience. I learned because the shock is remembered, this is bad, ok don't do it
leonheart00 2 years ago
Exactly, I don't know why anyone in this scientific age take such a troglodytic position against Pavlovian methods of parenting such as spanking.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
@leonheart00: "I do this in my late 20s, because I was spanked."
Nice correlation..................not.
MiracleMile90 1 year ago
Pure lies, it is a proven fact that a spanking from a psychological perspective is used to shock the system from hysteria. It does not have to be excessive. The people who founded every major civilization in world history were spanked. Don't be excessive but make your point, if you wonder why kids are unruly these days it is because of psycho babbling nut jobs like this guy teaching unnatural ways to raise children. Ever notice how popular Nanny shows are these days? It can sometimes save lives.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Well the catch, which these studies don't bring into effect, is that spanking needs to be applied as a direct stimulus response. If you only spank after the kid had driven you into anger, then he will play "chicken" to see how much he can get away with. The problem is not that spanking doesn't work, the problem is that it needs to be done properly.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
It can't be done "properly". Unless you want your relationship to be based on fear and if blind obedience is your goal.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
Wait haven't you ever heard about Pavlov's work in behavioral psychology? Consistent pain stimuli such as spanking is very efficient when trying to condition a subject not to behave in a specified manner.
I don't understand how anyone with even the most basic knowledge of Pavlovian psychology would suggest that spanking is bad. It's very ignorant of modern science.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
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bukkake2007 2 years ago
@JohananRaatz
Precisely, Pavlov's dog, that is exactly my point. Even more so, this applies to the idea of if you slap a hysterical person the shock can many times knock them out of the laughing fit and prevent a catatonic reaction. This applies especially with tantrums. Even so, the shock of a mild strike gives the child a moment of thinking "YOU WOULDN'T!" and it gets full attention and etches better into long term memory. Sure, timeouts are nice, but far less effective.
leonheart00 2 years ago
LOL humans aren't dogs, that's why, and even for dogs rewards are best for training them, but that isn;t for humans either. Our brain has much different reactions to physical violence (yes even spanking). Behaviorism has been dis-proven as a truly effective means to interact with other people. It is just so ingrained in our society no one takes the facts seriously.
We are creatures of reason and intelligence.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
I got spankings from time to time and that didn't hurt me. What hurt me is that I let down my parents and I felt ashamed. This is bull shit.
SinisterAppleJuice 2 years ago
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goddimmus 2 years ago
This is emotionally-driven BS.
OutdoorsBlackMan 2 years ago
Frankly, I roll my eyes at the illogical arguments that keep popping up, such as "I hurt you to protect you" and "hitting them on the butt is magically different than hitting them anywhere else." Then there's the whole concept of teaching them to respect you only if you hit them. If it worked for you, you got lucky. If it didn't, take a number: you're now a statistic.
ianam1983 2 years ago
Susy: "Mommy brat!"
Mommy: "How DARE you call me a brat! You little wicked child! To the Panky Chair! NOW!"
Susy is at PC (Panky Chair)
DevilButtKicker 2 years ago
Mommy: "You will learn not to call your mommy a brat ever again!"
Mommy disciplines naughty child with a Bible screaming verses on how to honor thy mother and thy father.
Then she takes the rod and spanks the wicked brat's bare butt.
The child is left sobbing and wailing on the floor
one hour later the child grabs a brat and says, "Mommy, brat!"
Mommy realizes her child was trying to tell her she wanted to eat a brat...not calling her mommy one. She just mispronounced it.
DevilButtKicker 2 years ago
We're not talking about beating, or abuse. We're talking about spanking.
BillyBughead 2 years ago
oooh how cute... well obviously people should have the common sense not to beat infants. However once a child is able to speak and comprehend their behavior a slap to the wrist or even the very sturdy behind is a good tool to teach the child about the consequences of poor actions as they are in real life whether you wish to admit it or not. I am sorry that there are so many bleeding heart moron hippies here, but spanking lightly without rage to teach is very effective and proven through time.
leonheart00 2 years ago
You aren't going to get your point across..by calling people morons and hippies and idiots.
DevilButtKicker 2 years ago
The truth hurts does it not?
leonheart00 2 years ago
Actually no, truth does not hurt.
Take Mr Rogers. He became peace ambassador and child advocate from being nurtured as a child
If you do not believe in God, why did you use biblical quotes to condone physically assalting children?
In reality you have goodness Mr. Whatever apparently was done to you can not take that fact away
mothersson2002 2 years ago
I still re-iterate you see absolute black and white.. good and evil... positive and negative. There are varying degrees to these things. My decision from Christianity has been recent after heavy personal study. I was hit pretty bad as a kid, but that doesn't mean I have a tendency to abuse others. I have learned that no matter what you must never hit a person or animal out of anger (unless protecting someone or yourself) and honestly, like I keep saying a slap on the wrist will at worst sting.
leonheart00 2 years ago
I know you want to use this as a weapon against me, but I was not just spanked as hard as my Dad could with a belt, he also punched me, smacked my head into things, comically he tried to brain me with a 17 inch monitor one day (prob woulda killed me) but it was plugged in still. THAT is abuse, what I refer to is a mild shock method and used correctly the heroes of our past are almost all products of it. Although I can't say I turned out bad even under the abuse. Not a criminal, but I am a geek.
leonheart00 2 years ago
@leonheart00: "Although I can't say I turned out bad even under the abuse. Not a criminal, but I am a geek."
Did you have a person you could turn to?
MiracleMile90 1 year ago
@MiracleMile90 It goes like this, the reality of the world is survival of the fittest. The Darwinists call it natural selection. The psychologists look at the situation of corporal punishment as traumatizing. To the weakest of us, it will be, but the strong will overcome to breed stronger people. This is how we survive plagues and harsh labor conditions. The strong survive, the weak perish and for the long term bettering of our human race.
Only through pain am I enjoying success.
leonheart00 1 year ago
@leonheart00: Just plain sickening.........this world has so many problems because many DO subscribe to these kinds of things.
"Only through pain am I enjoying success."
Sadomasochism, anyone?
MiracleMile90 1 year ago
@MiracleMile90 Realism my friend, realism. You have a very narrow and polarized focus on this I suppose. You seriously think that shocking a child into behaving is sadistic? I think not. It is nothing less than training, I spent many years studying martial arts and I would never have learned a technique without a little pain. No Pain, No Gain.
That's not sadomasochistic it is REALISTIC. Living in a fantasy is delusional and if anything is a criteria of psychotic behavior.
leonheart00 1 year ago
@MiracleMile90 I can only imagine if people cushioned every fall I ever made in life for fear of psychological trauma. I wouldn't feel a need to push myself to fight harder, I would have given up my ambitions and vegetated. Eventually I would have suffered as charitable people no longer existed to cushion me. The long term results of being a care bear can be horrible. Sometimes it is better to extend a little tough love, again my last point, survival of the fittest.
leonheart00 1 year ago
@MiracleMile90 I didn't address your question, yes I had my mother, and yes she was my cushion. Don't take what I am saying as polar extreme toward hard hitting corporal punishment. When a blacksmith made a blade he would heat the metal then cool it to make it stronger. When we work out, we push ourselves and then we rest. When we work our jobs we do our best and then relieve our stress.
This is balance, it is why we live on this planet and neither burn or freeze.
leonheart00 1 year ago
I can account to 3 other major things happening in my life that caused me moments of insecurity. Yes the harsh beatings and abuse were one, but the real issues were being a caretaker for my dieing mom 14 years, being overweight as a kid and picked on badly, even teachers picked at me for being a bit too much of an abstract thinker. In the end I had to overcome it... I don't want kids to overcome trauma, but I think a sting kind of snaps kids into reality and is a whole other story than abuse.
leonheart00 2 years ago
You have forgotten what it is like to be a child. Quite typical of those who had to lock their true feelings away for self-defense purposes as a child.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
Bahahahah! I am a big kid at heart my friend. You have forgot the last 6,000+ years of human history where spanking worked. lol
Oh yeah, you are an intellectual Juggernaut, your reasoning beats out that collective time frame of common human wisdom. It is an obvious, tried and true method. Don't fix it if it isn't broken.
On the flip side, because I am capable of seeing more than black and white in this issue, I say down with the abusive types. Those who use closed fists, etc.
leonheart00 2 years ago
@leonheart00 Cool Story bro
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
@UnschoolingEagle
Okay so you strayed from 4chan to give an opinion on how children should be treated. I need not say any more.
leonheart00 2 years ago
heh... I will tell ya, i remember when I was spanked the right way though. I immediately got the idea because it is an early indicator that crimes have punishments and I have to be responsible for actions. Sticking my nose in the corner,... lol ... it was mildly amusing to me. Sorry I just won't agree that it is entirely black and white, and yes I had abuse but that doesn't mean I can't control my anger with weaker beings. I am not and never was a bully, but a parent is a guide to starting life.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Stop with the bullshit.
Like all parents, if you have kids, you will have to work your arse out to pay for their educatio, to make sure they receive proper health coverage,
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
I think you should spank the kids at least once a week, just to make sure they know who gives orders and to respect the elders.
I mean on average once a week. but it is also good before you have visitors or an elderly uncle to be respect.
For spanking I try to use what has a lasting pain so they remember well the lesson.
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
Now we hit the other extreme. Come on, what does that teach? That people are mean spirited? Face it, you just want to let out pent up aggression. I believe in spankings but only a mild one as a lesson to teach a child that poor choices cause consequences and to stamp a memory into their mind. A light spat and a beating with a belt with metal knobs or holes to leave painful whelts is completely different. Slap a child on the wrist, tell them not to do the behavior, and put them in time out.
leonheart00 2 years ago
If you educate well your kids from the start, you should never need even to raise the voice to them because you will have taught them from their childhood the best things such as love, tolerane, sharing, attention , respect in order to be respected ...
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
Knowledge is but a part in a complex machine. You can lead a horse to water, but without understanding why it should drink, it won't. It will see the water but won't lower its nose.
This is the same concept. If you show baby einstein and david the gnome to your kids to try to teach them to be intelligent softies, it doesn't mean they will understand the emotional lessons related to why it is important to be kind to others. Nor will they understand consequences to disobedience.
leonheart00 2 years ago
So children are akin to slaves. This is sadistic.
I know you truly have goodness in you . That other stuff is simply from the way you were surely treated.
God's children are Good
mothersson2002 2 years ago
How obvious can it be that you are black? Stop blaming people over a practice that ended almost 150 years ago that no living human could possibly have been responsible for.
I also doubt you were ever in slavery.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Actually, I am Caucasian! Jesus being from the Middle East was darker than I am
mothersson2002 2 years ago
Well then you are a bleeding heart liberal who uses racism as a tactic to demonize people taking opposing views. Which is it? I never said I supported slavery, I simply said I support light "Corporal" punishment and yeah ya know what? I am angry when people try to take my freedom away to parent how I like. You have no right to step on my freedoms because of your flawed understanding and emotional reasoning. It isn't black and white, no matter what a spat is not a punch. Get over it.
leonheart00 2 years ago
I am just a good writer. Just a good writer.
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
I think the government should flog one person a week, just to make sure the people knows who gives the orders and to respect their leaders. <---that would be satire to show you how ludicrous your comment is.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
That kind of make sense.
I should bring the kids to watch it !
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
I use to feel the same way as you do til I raised kids. I am speaking from experience. Their are proper ways to spank that won't harm the kid mentally of physically. Sometimes sitting them in a corner or grounding doesn't work. Me, none of that worked until a threat of a spanking came up. Then I got back in line and I'm not scarred from it today. You'll find out when you have kids of your own.
ancientmariner1984 2 years ago
but that's where patience comes in. There may be rare cases spanking is ok, but I know someone who has great kids and never laid a finger on them. Experience doesn';t make one right, because tell me that you didn't spank them out of frustration and stress? Safety MAY be a reason to spank them, but even still the best thing is to talk to your kids. And it only brought you back in line because of fear, tell me you didn't fear a spanking? Fear does not = love. ever.
SpikeDawgProductions 2 years ago 4
well see you just said it yourself: There may be cases where spanking is ok.
So, it's this absolutist position, that spanking is never ok, and that we need to legislate it as such so that folks do hard time for raising their children...THAT is what I object to and see as just another sign of this country being in the crapper, waiting for the coming of The Big Flush.
BillyBughead 2 years ago
No, I said if a child's safety is on the line, and they really don't listen, then sometimes measures may seem to need to be taken. But as for hitting your kids to teach them this false sense of respect and beleiving blindly, hell no. and I didn't mean to say spanking was ok, I just mean to say it's understandable, but there's always a better way.
SpikeDawgProductions 2 years ago
You are absolutely correct in pretty much everything you said here. This is that bleeding heart attitude that really ruins our society. Change it now! Stop being a moron!
leonheart00 2 years ago
Most of the time punishment doesn't work, or it seems it does but it doesn't have the intended effects.
Also, just because you failed at being patient doesn't mean everyone will.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
THREAT is the best way to educate kids and also telling them that other kids are better than him.
HAHAHHAHAHA !
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
What a bunch of horseshit. If a child runs constantly into a street and gets hit by a car because your inability to discipline them, who's to blame? You are. I'd rather spank a kid for running into the road than to see that kid in a casket!! Life has consequences. Senceless beatings I'm against but a spanking for breaking a rule that may kill them I'm for.
ancientmariner1984 2 years ago
You can punish a kid without hurting them. I know, my parents used to use physical punishment, and it made me fearful and angry, it didn't make me behave, it made me mad. I still deal with anger now, I'm 15 and fighting my anger issues, so don't tell me that spanking is a good thing, it teaches your child violence, anger, fear, and the only respect it teaches is false respect based purely on age.
SpikeDawgProductions 2 years ago 3
Parents DECEIVE themselves into thinking their kids are respecting them but they are afraid and further spanking is hypocritical
Joey is a little boy
He stole his brother's toy
Mommy came with her hand
And whacked her little naughty man
Joey is a little boy
His brother stole his toy.
Joey hit his brother
Cause he learned it from his mother.
DevilButtKicker 2 years ago 3
Proof that you can make anything sound plausible if you make it rhyme.
Though it does remind me of a punishment I had when I was maybe 12 or so: I had to write a five-page essay about why I'd done what I did.
Now, if getting extra homework from your parents isn't abuse, I ask you, what is? lol
BillyBughead 2 years ago
This kid is DAMN right.
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
Oh my, the famous Spank or Death argument, which is used by every single pro-spanking parent in existence. Too bad simply watching your child gets rid of the need to hit them. You cannot expect to leave a toddler alone outside. I know it's shocking, but it's true.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
Then spank hard
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
I met Alice Miller at a Adult Children of Alcoholics meeting in London twenty years ago, what a lovely human being. I bought all her books.
blackeconomics 2 years ago
i agree............thare should be a law
SMtwilight121208 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Shove the sanctimony up your ass. You most likely HAVE hit a kid and are trying to safely go on youtube to make yourself feel good after AA meetings.I know a PHONY when I see one. Sell YOUR SUV, hypocrite!
conquerlord1 2 years ago
I don't know about you, but spanking a child over 9 is pure disgusting and sexual abuse, lots a kids these days are hitting puberty way quicker so it'd be just sick , and anyways spanking would not make a difference at that age maybe a 4 yr. old but, yeah you get my point
spyro4500 3 years ago
I agree. Thankfully I've never been spanked, but just the thought of having that done to me makes my skin crawl. I'm so glad my parents never did that, and I can't put into words how much I appreciate them. You'd be surprised at how many parents still spank their preteens/teenagers. I think it's just plain sick.
CherryFrog321 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
All you need to do is look at kids these days, and read their profanity-laced comments on a variety of videos, to understand that there's an entire generation of young whelps who's parents never had the courage to teach them respect.
BillyBughead 3 years ago
Perhaps you should read the research about the consequences of spanking before making a comment like that. Just google "project no spank" and click on research.
projectEnlightenment 3 years ago
My comment does concern the consequences of a no-spanking society run amok. I'm not talking about doing it in anger, or excessively, or any of the other over-the-top abusive behavior that masquerades as corrective measures. I'm talking about one of the most important things a parent can do -- teach their child right from wrong. Sometimes a "timeout" just doesn't cut it. A child raised by parents so scared of being their kid's friend that they fail to be a parent remain just that -- a child.
BillyBughead 3 years ago
True words.
ancientmariner1984 2 years ago
Billybughead, you are 100% correct and it sickens me that people like this are out there trying to pass legislation against the most tried and true method of correcting children there is in all of history. What you are referring to is absolutely okay, a slap on the wrist WILL NOT harm a child psychologically, it will teach him or her that consequences exist for poor choices and it is better a child learn it through that than drugs, crime, or a fight gone wrong.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Exactly. I'm not talking about wackin' 'em with sticks like they do in Singapore or whatever, or about making it a routine for the slightest of things or failing to call their parent "Mommy Dearest", or for no reason just to show 'em who's boss. Thankfully someone else out there isn't seeing things in black and white.
BillyBughead 2 years ago
Amen brotha! These people are completely narrow minded and it is pitiful to see people live like that! I would hate to see how their kids end up.
Like it or not, people who say violence today is caused by this are morons. This is now an age where more people were brought up without spankings than ever before. 50 years ago not spanking your kids would be unheard of and just look at the rising trends in crime over the years! It isn't just spanking though but that is one element.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Why is it that test results are so low is the states that allow corporal punishment in schools. Aslo, the teen pregnancy rate is very high in these states as well.
School districts that hit children legally are mostly mostly former slave states.
Sadam and Hitler were both physically abused.What do you think will will result from teaching a child with respect: they will in turn treat others like that.
Mr Rogers was a great example on how to interact with the youngest of our population.
mothersson2002 2 years ago
Don't ever compare how you hit your kids, and how other parents do. That makes me sick to the stomach.
Lovingboyify 2 years ago
Oh, yes, I agree. Let's do away with free speech. Make me shut up because I don't tow the liberal line.
This video, and the commentary of its defenders, takes an extremist, absolute view towards discipline, attempting to eradicate the distinction between discipline and abuse. Damn straight it should be called out for what it is: A propaganda piece.
BillyBughead 2 years ago
I very respecfully say to you,
It teaches them that others are more powerful than they and that they can overpower others who seem inferior to them by hitting them as well.
mothersson2002 2 years ago
The best way is to EXPLAIN to a kid what are the consequence of his poor choices. If the consequences of his poor choices are a slap on his wrist, then actually it is a very bad start. The kid should learn that the consequences are people not respecting them, people getting hurt etc...
FranciscoGgdf 2 years ago
By that same logic a 12 year old girl is by far ready for marriage then. I guess we wrongly accused a lot of pedophiles in the past huh? Psychological development periods aren't important after all, you can explain things to a toddler, it will understand perfectly and heck the kid might even reply to you with a saucy yet mannerful oxford english style accent.
Get real, you can't reason with a child who has not experienced the "Why" portions of life.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Most parents still spank their kids, so if kids are really so disrespectful, spanking obviously isn't working so well.
CherryFrog321 2 years ago
there is a world of difference between obeying out of respect and obeying out of fear.
DevilButtKicker 2 years ago
My point exactly. I make a clear distinction between spanking and beating. But fail to instill respect and you will have children that grow up into, well, a me-generation. And that's a failure on the parents' part, a failure that affects the rest of society. The decline of Western Civilization was bad enough with Dr. Spock's philosophies, but 40 years latter we've gone far beyond the me-generation. No one instills a sense of right and wrong any more as Moral Relativism rules the day.
BillyBughead 2 years ago
Idealization of our crippled parents and other authority figures is the main stumbling block to recognizing that hitting another person is wrong.
aikido7 2 years ago
But there has to be a line between abuse and teaching. If you study any martial art, you know that being struck is often a tool for learning. Even if it is Aikido, you have to learn that if you don't roll from a throw you will hurt yourself. A mild spanking or slap on the wrist is nothing more than gently expressing the outcome of poor choices and hopefully sparing them a collapsed windpipe when they go to a bar and talk smack to a mixed martial artist with a mean throat punch.
leonheart00 2 years ago
You believe in redemptive violence. We are all raised on a steady diet of it and believe that we have no other choice except to give in or fight back.
Non violence, mediation, problem-solving work. Jesus counsels Christians to love their enemies. His wisdom tells us that on some level, we all need our opponent.
Aikido is the only martial art that deals with your attacker without harming that attacker. It is a spiritual as well as a physical discipline.
aikido7 2 years ago
@BillyBughead: On the contrary. Dr. Spock did a great job..........that is a FACT. Deal with it.
MiracleMile90 1 year ago
Currently nearly 90% of ALL parents in the United States still hits their child at some point. Most do it multiple times. A quick google search will tell you that.
Also the crime rate continues to go down each year and is the lowest it has been in years.
Also do you dare think that these comments with "profanity" (who cares?) are just kids? I would say that you are ignorant to all the adults who take advantage of being anonymous.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago 10
There was a recent study within the last two weeks that found that children who did get spanked succeeded better than those that didn't. It's about teaching children limits; Fail to do so, and YES, they turn into unruly adults who swear all the time, thanks for proving my point. Note that the study stated it was detrimental to the "child" if they were spanked in their teens, or the spanking crossed over into abuse. I'm not advocating hitting, abuse, or punishment that's not age-appropriate.
BillyBughead 2 years ago
I'm simply "daring", as you put it, to not remain silent to the extremists who feel spanking should never be done, to the point of where they wish to outlaw it and seize people's children should they attempt to install a level of decorum and discipline into their family.
BillyBughead 2 years ago
Extremists? Standing up for the rights of individuals to live free and not be subjugated to physical violence? Who said seize peoples kids? I think a parenting class would do much better, maybe a fine for repeat offenses, as seizing kids from parents who simply spank would do much more harm than the spanking.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago 2
Did you actually read that study? I did, guess what? It isn't even finished yet, for starters. It is made by a Christian college.... what a surprise. Its indicators for success are doing well in school. School focuses on obedience, following orders blindly and breaking of wills.... yes spanking does help that. It helps to investigate the study, not just read a news article. The study is blatantly biased and its indicators for success have different views on "good" children.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago 2
I was spanked as a kid and I turned out fine, kids this generation are getting away with way to much, there becoming wussies and punks and no wonder they go out and kill people or something because the parents aren't doing there job to teach some discipline. If I cussed in front of my parents they put a bar of soap in my mouth, and it was for em to respect my elders and watch my language that's not abuse it's called a moral and common sense thing, America has lost there way!
RideWitChrist 1 year ago
Okay thank you for repeating the same exact argument that everyone else says... that has been dis-proven. Not to mention America... which is doing much worse than countries that have a blanket ban on spanking. Educate yourself. Don't expect me to respond to another comment of yours.
UnschoolingEagle 1 year ago