Yep. Not effective - end up wasting money - ppl are terrified as it is - not moral highground - just inflames probs for all POW(including innocent). Good points.
A lot of conservatives agree with the "enemy combatant" because those with that label aren't acting under a recognized state and the people that gone through the mock executions via water-boarding think it's not torture because the people that had it tested on them aren't walking shells of a human being.
Well in that case I have some more videos you should watch. lol What other topics have you previously been mislead on? I'd be happy to help set you on the right track.
Also, isn't Zimbardo incredibly provocative (in the good way) and just damn interesting? I've already watched that TEDtalk at least 5 or 6 times since it came out because it just keeps coming back to mind and I feel the urge to revisit it. No doubt I'll probably watch it at least a few more times.
I feel sick at the thought of having to say that torture or the invasion of iraq was a backwards step. There are people out there myopic enough to not percieve why, still. People!
orture is bad but investigations aren't even close to the right answer. They had permission from the justice department, blame is so diluted by this point it doesn't even matter. This whole issue has become a witch hunt.
Great vid! Oh, and by the way... over 1 million Americans are NOW on a terrorist watch list, via TSA and NSA or whatever. Let the pressure build !!!!
Wow I hadn't heard that number. It's kind of shocking but then again, not shocking. Knowing some of the criteria that has been used you and I may very well be on it. We both violate the principles of H.R. 1955 and law or not, just it's authorship and presentation for consideration means enough people took the sentiments seriously that a great many youtubers are probably subscribed to by at least one intelligence agency or another.
hmm.........well thats not an easy question....I just hate religious fundametalism which islam breeds thats why i viewed torture as right 4 terror suspects.......ur views or maybe the compassion in ur voice changed my mind.......am not a typical libral in a sence...if only d right will stop hating gays n take God outa thier politics.......i will be happy on d right.lol
He used to be the British embasador to Uzbekistan - a key ally in the 'war on terror'. I saw him at a talk in 2005 a year after he was ousted from his post for blowing the whistle on the use of torture by the Uzbeki security forces, the results of which (fabricated confessions of suspects) ended up in his MI6 briefs via the CIA.
I heard they was torturing them and would only accept confessions that linked Al Qaeda to Iraq. Of course this was wrong information, but that's exactly what the Bush Administration wanted to hear. Not sure if this is 100% true, but knowing Bush, I wouldn't doubt it.
what's funny is seeing people like Rush Limbaugh saying these sorts of things are about the same as "fraternity pranks". Leaving aside the fact that frat pranks have killed people, it makes me wonder, "well, if they're just pranks, why do you think they'll work to get at deeply held secrets? and if they're just pranks, then why not stop doing them?" suddenly, then, the fate of the free world depends on these "pranks," which are vital intelligence tools... wtf?
well said, good vid!
ogier1 2 years ago
I really appreciate this video. Well done.
LuCaro22 2 years ago
Yep. Not effective - end up wasting money - ppl are terrified as it is - not moral highground - just inflames probs for all POW(including innocent). Good points.
SuperiorMind 2 years ago
We're all more vulnerable because of the torture promoted by Bush & Cheney...please see Ron Paul's comments on "blowback".
We will get a chance to see how effective torture is when HANNITY is waterboarded - when is that gonna take place?
DillonX 2 years ago
A lot of conservatives agree with the "enemy combatant" because those with that label aren't acting under a recognized state and the people that gone through the mock executions via water-boarding think it's not torture because the people that had it tested on them aren't walking shells of a human being.
brutus149 2 years ago
great vid
Siriex 2 years ago
Great video, Erin :)
Have you changed anything since we last spoke? :-p
JasperAvi 2 years ago
love this report. You make a good reporter
dospook 2 years ago
Thank you! Your opinion means a lot to me.
CitizenWorm 2 years ago
Looks like you lost some weight :3
RenzokuzenX 2 years ago
until now i supported hard means to get info ........maybe because i like the way u sound. lol.
sortdane 2 years ago
Well in that case I have some more videos you should watch. lol What other topics have you previously been mislead on? I'd be happy to help set you on the right track.
CitizenWorm 2 years ago
I just watched all the links you provided including
googling Craig Murray.Very interesting stuff. I think
prosecution of the Bush admin is probably the first
step in reversing the current incarnation of the
banality of evil as personified by the fear mongering
equivocations of dick cheney.
angryislander56 2 years ago
First step, that's a good way to put it.
Also, isn't Zimbardo incredibly provocative (in the good way) and just damn interesting? I've already watched that TEDtalk at least 5 or 6 times since it came out because it just keeps coming back to mind and I feel the urge to revisit it. No doubt I'll probably watch it at least a few more times.
CitizenWorm 2 years ago
I feel sick at the thought of having to say that torture or the invasion of iraq was a backwards step. There are people out there myopic enough to not percieve why, still. People!
gratex 2 years ago
I know...truly mind boggling.
CitizenWorm 2 years ago
It's not really torture if we do it, silly!
yeahwotevaman 2 years ago
orture is bad but investigations aren't even close to the right answer. They had permission from the justice department, blame is so diluted by this point it doesn't even matter. This whole issue has become a witch hunt.
jmeiskues 2 years ago
So, jmeiskues, if you don't think that an investigation is appropriate, what do you think should be done?
losplatosdemaria 2 years ago
Right on.
a6487487 2 years ago
Great vid! Oh, and by the way... over 1 million Americans are NOW on a terrorist watch list, via TSA and NSA or whatever. Let the pressure build !!!!
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Wow I hadn't heard that number. It's kind of shocking but then again, not shocking. Knowing some of the criteria that has been used you and I may very well be on it. We both violate the principles of H.R. 1955 and law or not, just it's authorship and presentation for consideration means enough people took the sentiments seriously that a great many youtubers are probably subscribed to by at least one intelligence agency or another.
CitizenWorm 2 years ago
hmm.........well thats not an easy question....I just hate religious fundametalism which islam breeds thats why i viewed torture as right 4 terror suspects.......ur views or maybe the compassion in ur voice changed my mind.......am not a typical libral in a sence...if only d right will stop hating gays n take God outa thier politics.......i will be happy on d right.lol
sortdane 2 years ago
fundametalism which islam breeds? there are those in every religion. I am terrified of american fundamentalists...
wTARTZAw 2 years ago
Have you heard of Craig Murray?
yeahwotevaman 2 years ago
No, perhaps I should google or you could share. I'm an asshole about responding to pm's but I do read them.
CitizenWorm 2 years ago
He used to be the British embasador to Uzbekistan - a key ally in the 'war on terror'. I saw him at a talk in 2005 a year after he was ousted from his post for blowing the whistle on the use of torture by the Uzbeki security forces, the results of which (fabricated confessions of suspects) ended up in his MI6 briefs via the CIA.
yeahwotevaman 2 years ago
Check your inbox, blud
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Sacramentosaint 2 years ago
I heard they was torturing them and would only accept confessions that linked Al Qaeda to Iraq. Of course this was wrong information, but that's exactly what the Bush Administration wanted to hear. Not sure if this is 100% true, but knowing Bush, I wouldn't doubt it.
FullOfFail 2 years ago
what's funny is seeing people like Rush Limbaugh saying these sorts of things are about the same as "fraternity pranks". Leaving aside the fact that frat pranks have killed people, it makes me wonder, "well, if they're just pranks, why do you think they'll work to get at deeply held secrets? and if they're just pranks, then why not stop doing them?" suddenly, then, the fate of the free world depends on these "pranks," which are vital intelligence tools... wtf?
roentgen571 2 years ago
great video
roentgen571 2 years ago
it's a collosseum. If we are cruel to them they are cruel to us which makes us more apt to support more war.
Dadalama 2 years ago
America uses harsh interrogation methods, not "torture".
elitemathlete 2 years ago
Harsh interrogation methods are torture.
T8R 2 years ago 3
Having to read moronic comments is torture IMO.
yeahwotevaman 2 years ago