I saw the picture which first came, in a book which my father got from Singapore.It talks about Arjuna and Krishna in Mahabaratham not about Aryan invasions.
@252steff watch this video ---> MAHABHARATA PERIOD - Nepal Kirat King Banashur Fight Krishna
Kiratas fought off aryan invaders but was eventually defeated by the aryan. kirat king was killed by aryan prince krishna. so the person whom indians today worship krishna as god is not a god. he was a aryan general who lead aryan conquest on other's territory.
in a nut shell aryans invaded india,eatablished manusmriti,scripted myths stories to defend thier rituals,divided society fr own selfishness,brought horses to india,destroyed buddhism n jainsm,worked for mughals,british army n administration and still say swarajya is my birth right
@rupesh17383 Are you absolutely insane? Keep your insanity to yourself. Aryan Invasion has been a ploy of the British East India company to warp the history of India and they are the people who created the word "Dravidian". Such a word does not exist. Keep you stupidity to yourself when you have no idea what you are talking about!
Aryan invasions (many invasions and migrations) is true. The white man lied when he said that whites brought civilisation to India. They stole it. It was created by black peoples there. Some modern day Indians are dismissing the Aryan invasion theory in order to try and 'unite' modern day indians and not make anyone feel insecure about their ancestry.
indians are mutated from blacks and whites are mutated from indians.... indians are albino version of europeans. All started in AFRICA. africa is the homeland of mankind. And all people belongs to same sort, mankind otherwise they would not get kids with each other that is a prove we are all the same sort, but just different races... U can mix races but not sorts ( cat and dog are not same sort).
@rakiema1 Dravidians are not Albinos. Dravidians do have Albino children. You have met Dravidians who married Europeans and North Indians and they do not lok Albino. This is a part of your imagination.
@Olmec98 do u have a video of dravidians?? I mean dravidians turn into albino when they left india and move to north europe... So actually u are saying that indians are africans?? africans move to india and later the europeans came and mix with them mmmm I wonder how a real dravidian look likes......u have a video?? north indians are not really white ... alot are just brown, so they are mix with africans?
@Olmec98 explain then what is kushites?? grrrrrrrrr why are u so interested in all this? but it is sure. some races think they are superior but in the toilet we look all the same haha
@Olmec98 mmm ok is nice to know ,but because they left africa they mutated he? and so go one.. u don't believe in the evolution theory? because is still see difference in africans and dravidians... i think they mutated a bit hehehe.
@Olmec98 nubia, kushitis wow nice.. so indians came from them ... mm the egyptians... i like the egyptian culture.. they were very intelligent too. SOO actually the Dravidians (EGYPTS) are the same... they invent alot what u .... Islam spoilt everything (egypt, iran etc).. India still the same ,more or less... hope they keep it like that..
@rakiema1 if we are talking about india for aryans-dravidians,for most part of country u can't identify who is aryans/dravidian.Infact most of indians(specially central india) mixed breed of both,as u know custom & tradition
of dravidian accepted by aryans at the same time approach of aryans to deal with question like where we come from,what is god,what is life accepted by dravidian.after while they are formed a homogenous group,which is still distinguised by geography.
@rakiema1 that why when we come down from north to south texture of skin darken.Homogentiy in society can be understand by lot people from south come to north and have a sastrath at varanasi(in up ),while lot of others from north came down to south india to understand lot of things(most precious example shri ram,who came all the way form north to south it may depend upon how u believe in ramayan but apart from ramayan lot of other examples are there)
@Olmec98 yeah many dravidians(which were called dasyus by aryans,reside in harappa in northern india before invasion,they have close facial features to east africans like ethiopians,even know you can see that,check vadivelu in google,he is tamil actor,but many arrogant hindus dont believe aryan ivasion,as they believe hinduism originated in india,but the fact is rigvedic hindus(the invasive aryans)worshipped fire,just like their cental asian counterparts,the zorastrians.
african has big nose curly hair, big mouth, thick lips, big ass and other features.. dark indian people has european features. whites are albino version of indians/ paki's. Is not just the colour. chinese is white too are they europeans??
@rakiema1 All Black people do not have big noses and big asses. Many Indians are much darker than Africans and Africans have European features. Since Africans were first these features had to hve been originally African features..
@Olmec98 i believe that mankind started in africa and mutated, and it looks so true too. But the davridras are abit like austrolic people, but north india is more like iran. And indians are actually albino europeans ( northern). The aryan invasion is false the english use that to steal and rob india. Watch a video origin of white people race (north european). People gor mutated, i also saw blond people with very curly hair. But all started in africa......sure
@rakiema1 You ontradict yoursef. you claim that the Dravidians were like the austrolic people and north Indians look like Iranians.if they look like Iranians hey had to have come from Iran which is not part of India. This implies an invasion. Think.
@Olmec98 No india is very big it is like a continent. the north africans look more different than south and west africans. Like u said not all africans has that big nose and ass so is the same in india. South india is hotter and so darker people. Their features are the same just their color is dark by the sun. And the invasion is false there are not proves, froem where does the aryan race come then?? people are just mutated !!! the indians moved to north europa and got pale
@rakiema1 This your imagination you find Dark Dravidians in the North and the Munda people are dark and they live in the North. So the sun does no cause someone to be dark.
We see a change in pottery from red-and-black to grey. This provides evidence of invasion. Plus the Vedic literatures speaks of the Arya attackingwalled cities. This implies invasion,right.
@Olmec98 the europeans cannot imagine that dark (black) people can be so intelligent that is why they invent the invasion story, think !! mathematics, language (sancrit)...etc.. So they come with this theory and to rob all there because they claim is theirs.. I don't believe in the invasion sorry. From where do the aryans come than? england? are there proves from where?? and al the indian philisofy is european???? haha don't make me laugh... yoga, meditation, tantra, aryuveda? come on!
@rakiema1 are you nuts, dont show your stupid indian aggression, meditation was known to all people in ancient times, just because it has prominance in india, it doesnt mean it is originated in india alone, look at zero, the american indians(mayans) also invented zero, ayurveda was ancient medical science, no doubt, but other parts of world have also ancient doctors, medicines.
@rakiema1 the indian subcontinent didnt have horses until aryans brought them, in forests horses cant survive, they
need grass lands, the nomadic aryans searched for fertile land and they settled in north india, the statues found at harappa, clearly resembles african facial features, they were driven south by aryans. the pointed nose people evolved from mongoloids around 5000 bc, them mongoloids themselves evolved from africans.i saw this program in national geographic channel about races.
@rakiema1 The original Arabs were Blacks. The present Arabs are descendants of the Turks and Europeans that conquored the area since Greco-Roman times..
Many Fulani, Somali and Ethiopians have never mixed wit Arabs or Europeans.
Dravidian populations and Africans also share several y-chromosome, HLA and mtDNA .
The 9bp transition at 16311 are congruent among Dravidians and West Africans . The analysis revealed that the Nadar and Fulani HLA indicate that the populations share a number of unique alleles including A*101, A*0211,A*03011, A*3303, B*3501, B*3701, B*51011.
Shared y-chromosomes include H1, K2 or Y-DNA T-M70 (11%). The Highest frequency of T-M70 in the world is found among the Fulani. In relation to y-chromosome H1, 22% of Dravidians carry this haplogroup.
Sickle cell anemia is frequent among Africans and Dravidian Tribal populations. It is interesting that the Arab-Indian and Senegal haplotypes are both associated with a C!T mutation at position -158.
The Dravidians belong to the M macrohaplogroup. Shared Afro-Indo M haplogroups include M1,M3 M30, and M33. The M1 haplogroup was especially evident among high caste people in Kerela.
@rakiema1 Aravaanan (1980) has written extensively on the African and Dravidian relations. He has illustrated that the Africans and Dravidian share many physical similarities including the dolichocephalic indexes (Aravaanan 1980,pp.62-263), platyrrhine nasal index (Aravaanan 1980,pp.25-27), stature (31-32) and blood type (Aravaanan 1980,34-35).
@rakiema1 Aravaanan (1980,p.40) also presented much evidence for analogous African and Dravidian cultural features including the chipping of incisor teeth and the use of the lost wax process to make bronze works of arts (Aravaanan 1980,p.41).
i don't like crib abt this too much..coz its past..but i don't understand wats wrong in accepting it...even lord buddha abandoned sanskrit n vedic system n used prakrit coz of their caste system..but again brahmins went ahead saying he was reincarnation of lord vishnu..
if aryan invasion is denied today..in another 50 years these assholes will deny british rule in india...atleast they got railways to india..wat the fuck did aryans got us?hatred amongst each other..
@MrBharath14 Britishers came to India, Mughals came to India, Turks came to India...their arrival is well documented, they themselves wrote about their journeys and invasions, WHY is there NO EVIDENCE of Aryan Invasion, why are there only THEORIES and SUGGESTIONS...if Aryans INVADED India, why didn't they mentioned it, why don't they mention any place other than India in their texts?
@PartyAllSeason The Vedas describe a people lacking cities arts and etc, attacking peole living in walled cities.These nomads were Aryan people. The fact they describe invading north India to take the wealth of the Dravidians support an Aryan invasion.
@Olmec98 Kiratas fought aryan invasion into himalayas region(now nepal and NE India).
In the Mahabharata war, Kirat King fought pandavas kings led by aryan general krishna. Kirat King Yalamber from nepal and another kirati king from assam.
@MrBharath14 I second that notion. hitler did these racist fucks a HUGE diservice when he appropriated their culture, BLOWING THEIR COVER WIDE OPEN and revealing them as the lying bastards that they are
Most of what we know about Hurrian comes from theTel al-Armarna letters. The letters written in Hurroan were numbered 22 and 25. In 1909 Bork, in Mitteilungen der Vorderasiatische Gesellschaft, wrote a translation of the letters.In 1930, G.W. Brown proposed that the words in letters 22 and 25 were Dravidian especially Tamil.
@goran21715 The Hurrians enterMesopotamia from the northeastern hilly area . They introduced horse-drawn war chariots to Mesopotamia .Hurrians penetrate Mesopotamia and Syria-Palestine between 1700-1500 BC. The major Hurrian Kingdom was Mitanni, which was founded bySudarna I (c.1550), was established at Washukanni on the Khabur River. The Hurrian capital was Urkesh, one of its earliest kings was called Tupkish.
@goran21715 You don't know what you're talking about. BjarteKaldhol studied 500 Hurrian names and found that only 5, were Indo-Aryan sounding. This made it clear that the IA people probably learned horsemenship from the Hurrians, and not the other way around. It shows that the Mitanni/Hurrians were not indo-Aryan speakers.
In 1930, G.W. Brown (1930),has shown that the vowels and consonants of Hurrian and Dravidian are analogous. Brown noted the following similarities between Dravidian and Hurrian: 1)presence of a fullness of forms employed by both languages; 2) presence of active and passive verbal forms are notdistinguished; 3) presence of verbal forms that are formed by particles; 4) both language) identical use of -m, as nominative; 5) similar pronouns; and similar ending formations.
@goran21715 You don't know what you're talking about. BjarteKaldhol studied 500 Hurrian names and found that only 5, were Indo-Aryan sounding. This made it clear that the IA people probably learned horsemenship from the Hurrians, and not the other way around. It shows that the Mitanni/Hurrians were not indo-Aryan speakers.
If so, can u explain the language similarity of Iranian, east european or even russian and north Indian languages. This similarity is not evident in Dravidian language and African languages... as far as I know... Have u find anything similar?
@antonyanmar They may show similarities because greek was used as a lingua franca for merchants for hundreds of years and many greek terms may have been nativized by the various peoples using the language.
"he thing which matters is what was hinduism about 4000 years back. Whatever were lost since then has created a big social, cultural and economical divide in the society."
Actually many scholars believe that "Hinduism back then" which I take you're refering to the Hinduism of the Vedas actually preached a flexible caste systemm, it is sometime later that the caste system became more rigid (way later when everyone was too mixed to know who was that ethnicity).
@sungod221 Flexible caste system is a myth. The proof of that is Manusmriti. Manu clearly defines what the castes are and how they came in existence. If you want to refer Vedas then please be specific on which one you are referring to, so that I can clarify on that part.
Another interesting thing about Manusmriti is that there is no reference to South India in it. Manu's India is the place between Vindhya and Himalaya. That too shed more light on two distinctive culture/race in India.
How is flexible caste system a myth? You have yet to explain that. You give Manu Smriti as a "proof" yet Manu Smriti was written between 2100bc-200 AD (literally a thousand years after Vedic culture). Further, Manu Smirti is not a religious scripture it was a LAW code and wasn't even followed in many parts of India, hence why it only mentioned a certain region (while Hinduism itself was followed all throughout the regin today known as India).
@sungod221 to your question why hinduism all over india, because the jains, buddhist temple were destroyed, converted into hindu temples. even fahian, huen tsang, the chinese travellers mentioned this. many jains, buddhists
@fossilshale your absoultely wrong,all over india temples of jainism and buddisim destroyed.
Even hindisum after sometime of western invesion identifiyed,pre invesion era includes all such ideas open for all: such as jainism,buddisum,jor.,shaaiv many others.But some of faiths(i am calling them as faiths) ideologically the same one but in different forms,fahian describes only such faiths.
specially about jainism,at that time faith is around current north west frontier of pakistan and agganistan
You can't just say "there was an Aryan invasion" and then not proceed to answer your own question. If there are so many questions unanswered then why do you accept the theory? I think we can never go back in time and know exactly what happened but based on all the evidence out there, there is very little evidence that caste was based on race or ethnicity.
@Olmec98 why have you put Krishna's painting here ? are you tryin to put even our god into aryan or dravidian question.. please dont... use pics which are related to the topic..
@jakelmngr Killed aryans ? there were no Aryans back then. Africans came and build civilization then came the aryan barbarians who destroyed the civilization and build their violent oppressive culture in northern india. Which continues till date, making the ancient dravidians.. now termed as Dalits to have life worst than animals.
@jerkrichie Aryan invasion began around 3000 years ago as mentioned in Rigveda. Aryans stole the Mongoloid Asian culture, history, and screwed up their religion. The European have prove that Sanskrit language is based on an old Indo-European parent language. The mother tongue of the Mongoloid Asian race have no Indo-European origin.
watch this video ---> MONGOLOID_IN_THE_HIMALAYAS |View from Anthropologist|
where it sheds lights about Mongoloid race in the Himalayas of Nepal and Northeast India.
@diliprai Can you give some more information about the Aryan origin details from Rigveda ? I am trying to learn more about how aryan invasion has shaped indian culture as we know now.
There seems to be a considerable difference in the hinduism in south India and hinduism in north india, few of the gods in south arent even there. Same goes with the stories related to Shiva. Is there something like that with Mongoloid culture and current aryan hinduism ?
Hinduism is based on philosophy and folktales, therefore youre going to get variations in various regions. This has nothing to do with which version is right or people stealing another version and what not. It has more to do with using metaphor to interpret values in ones culture, which differs.
Remember, Hinduism is not so much about proving whether Lord Shiva extisted, but rather seeing Lord Shiva as either the ultimate form of reality or just one aspect of God.
@sungod221 You sums up what I said. It is a merge of culture, it is a merge of philosophy, folktales and mannerisms of Aryans and Dravidians. Unfortunately dravidians had to pay the price for it.
What matters here is not what hinduism is about right now. The thing which matters is what was hinduism about 4000 years back. Whatever were lost since then has created a big social, cultural and economical divide in the society. one should not neglect those as metaphors or wrong interpretations.
Of course Hinduism in the South and North will differ. While the core of Hinduism is stayes the same, there are many variations in Hinduism differing from region to region. Hinduism is not a rigid dogmatic belief, which is why you have these variations. You find these same differences in other religions- Buddhism of Japan is completely different than the one in Tibet. Same with Mormons and Catholics. Sufis and Sunnis.
@sungod221 If it is not a rigid dogmatic belief, then dont you think it is time to change certain bad things which are associated with hinduism?... the main one being the caste system... which historically is a by product of aryan invasion.
Yes, of course we should rid social evils and ills. The caste system is not a product of Aryan invasion lol. Caste systems have always existed and was a part of many ancient soceities. It still exists in places like Japan and parts of Africa where the untouchables of those regions are treated exactly like the Dalits. Further, there was no Aryan invasion. There were migrations and there are many theories as to what Indus Valley was (some scholars believe it was an abandoned society
@sungod221 "Always" is not a time period, so always existed is a lame excuse. You are spot on about japan and Africa. It is the indigenous people in those places who ended up being in the lower ranks of society, just like dravidians in India. It was there in many of the ancient societies, but not in any of the modern societies...except India. And there was Aryan invasion, you cant avoid that simply because it leaves lots of questions unanswered.
Actually most castes systems around the world pushed the lower ranks from the SAME ethnicity down to the bottom. It was due to the work they did that they were considered "polluted". And there are still caste discriminations in Africa and Japan right now. Read about caste more in depth.
Further, it is universally accepted that caste was not based on race or skin color. This was a view that was only pushed in the 18th century by racist Eurocentrists and seems to have been picked up by Afrocentrists (who themselves got it from the Eurocentrists- way to go). This view however, as ive said earlier, it universally accepted by most scholars not be true.
@sungod221 Your universe is quite small buddy. Dont blame Eurocentrists or Afrocentrists for making caste system. Coz caste system was in existence in India even before they knew where India was. All they did was to conduct thorough study on what is the caste system in India and how it came to existence. Blaming europeans for caste system is like blaming umbrella for rain.
Here you go again playing semantic games. Caste existed and exists in India as a social system. Afrocentrists are twisting the origin of the caste system as to make it a race bases system to push their agenda and widen AFROCENTRIC support not to actually help the Dalits as a people.
When they get proven wrong on how caste is a social system not a racist system, they proceed to throw useless rhetoric.
Some scholars even believe that the rigidity of the caste system may have to do with tribal influence (which cmes from Munda Australoid speakers). South Indians are generally way more strict about caste than North Indians are.
@sungod221 Dravidians never had a caste system. And caste system in south India happened only in post aryan invasion era.
Rigidity of the caste system definitely has to due to with the tribal influence, with Dravidians and Aryans being the tribes in equation. Munda Australoid were more of isolated community until very recent times, so they dont have much to do with the caste system.
Not much is known about Dravidian culture to begin with. No one is even sure regarding the origin of Dravidian culture. The earliest written record describing Dravidians are the Hindu texts which describe certain Hindu kings as "Brahmins" of the South.
Again, all your assertions are based on no evidence, Just pure speculation.
@sungod221 yes thats true, aryan invasion is real, to your question, dravidians are also cacausian, thats because around 100 Ad, many saka(scythian warriors) employed by satavahana kings, some satraps even ruled deccan and eventually settled, also there were migrations of people from north to sound(some historians say the kamma caste people of andhra state they migrate from rajathan) check in google about kamma caste people they look so cacausoid, ofcourse some are black due to mutation.
The Dravidic peoples are a cushitic peoples who descended from Ethiopia. My Hindu geography teacher explained this to me. The Dravidians are from the house of Solomon. Not including alot of black Africans where taken to India to serve in the armies of the maharashas during the Arab slave trade that went on for 14 centuries. Study the Arab slave trade, it reveals the true Hebraic(Hebrew peoples) of India.
They translated Arya as "noble",Thus,they become racists by killing the blacks Indians who created the ancient indian civilisation.The Aryans were the invaders who come from the north of Asia.The Aryans brahmans consider themselves as priests and discriminate the black untouchables.But the poor Aryan extremists ,don't know that there is another heighest race who enslaved and gave them this name.This is the Egyptian-Puntite race in Northern-East of Africa."Arya" means "Dirty" in their language.
They translated Arya as "noble",Thus,they become racists by killing the blacks Indians who created the ancient indian civilisation.The Aryans were the invaders who come from the north of Asia.The Aryans brahmans consider themselves as priests and discriminate the black untouchables.But the poor Aryan extremists ,don't know that there is another heighest race who enslaved and gave them this name.This is the Egyptian-Puntite race in Northern-East of Africa."Arya" means "Dirty" in their language.
ok,lets all admit african culture is superior and that all civilization is indebt to african intellect.they have just been in a bad cultural slump since writng began.
@Olmec98 what is your proof that Aryans and Dravidians were a race at first place ?
second why Tamil or Vedic scriptures do not talk about any such fight , this all propaganda came after Maxmuller a British who was not even a historian , before that no one knows about fight between Arya and Dravids because non of the texts support the same , now the main stream historians have discarded the Aryan Invasion Theory , are u aware of that ?
@AbhaySinghBisen Reich et al, Reconstructing Indian population history, Nature 461:489-494 claims that the Indian Cline divides Indians into two groups Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ANS).
@Olmec98 That is because of linguistic differences . They all belong to the same race.Also their scriptures talk about they same subject whether in Tamil or sanskrit.
@AbhaySinghBisen Main stream historians discarded Aryan Invasion Theory? Nope only hardcore Hindus who are too dumb to see the evidence. Genetic study points to an Aryan Invasion. Ramayan and Mahabharata talks of Rakshas, invasion of Lanka et all , Anyway, open your mind and read without prejudice.
@Olmec98 This is soo true mate.The Tamil ,kannadigas and keralites even though distinctly different in skin tone and attributes,possess a rich tapestry of beautiful ancient temples and pre vedic knowledge.For instance, Ayurveda originates from Kerala.Bharatanatyam, a Tamil dance possibly could be Ancient Indias oldest dance form.The whole Mahabharata episode is a distortion, so as to promote an Aryan supremacy theory.If you notice, the rakshasas are further south and dark(along with lanka)
and the devas are fair and aryan.Ayodhya as capital.Then came the Vedas - a distortion over ancient Harappan beliefs.There is even a folklore of a great Asura king -Mahabali(Ruler of kerala) who was stamped down to earth by vishnu(God=or aryan) albeit using treachery.I suspect the whole aryan invasion and conquest into south India was stopped on its heels by a semi real or maybe even real warrior king called Mahabali(suspect origins of kalari -Indias oldest martial art form).
No where does it state that the Devas are fair. And Vishnu had dark skin. There was no Aryan invasion, there was a migration of Sanskrit speakers and genetics show Indians to be genetically similar. I believe there are some difference in which some has to do with the Dravidian speakers in the South developing dark skin and thickers hair. Btw. Tamils are some of the most devout Hindus and trace their lineage back thousands of years.
Mythology says,Mahabali(ruler of Kerala) could never be defeated by the gods(Aryans) and they were jealous of the prosperity of the king and his land and later on Vishnu tricks the king into asking him a promise.Vishnu then uses treachery to stamp him down to the earth(I suspect an Aryan military failure into a south Dravidian territory - Aryans cook up a myth,ready to cover up)Perhaps thats why Tamil Nadu and Kerala still preserve ancient charms as compared to rest of the fallen north!!.
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL If this is true why does Vedic literature spend so much time discussing their invansion and attack of walled cities and describe no settle culture items?
@Olmec98 Olmec, you can present many points towards claiming that Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) stands justified and Aryans came as invaders to India. But the fact is Out of India (OIT) supporters also have many valid points to refute your claim. For a starter, why didn't so called Dravidians and Aryan mixed descendants in India have any recollection of Aryan invasion of India? At least Dravidians should have remembered it - Did Dravidians simply FORGOT the so called-national humiliation?
@seasonedsevencolors Firstly, the Aryans record their invansion in the Vedas. The Dravidians who were conquored in the North were murdered or absorbed..
@Olmec98 Not logical. Lower caste North Indians (who acc. to AIT are un-absorbed Indigenous Dravidians) should have remembered the invasion but they don't and didn't.
Secondly, Indian spirituality which is very heavily inspired by the Vedas frequently categorized 'ignorance or barbarism or sorcery' as dark/ black = DASA. Vedas never referred to the defeated 'Dasas' (word used in Veda) as lower castes or the Southern Indians. Brahmins should have remembered the invasion but they also didn't.
@seasonedsevencolors This is illogical. The memory of this invansion is foudn among North Indians--it is recorded in the Rig Veda.
Your conclusions are groundless and suggest that you have never read the Rig Veda. Firstly, the Vedas talk about wars in North India between the Vedic and non-Vedic people who lived in pura or tripura (walled cities or forts). Thusly, Indra was called the puramdar “fort destroyer.There is nothing in the vedic literature that refers to South India as you note.
The term dasa referred to people, not spiritual matters as you alledge. In Ralph T.H. Griffth (trs) Rig Veda (1896) of Book 1,hymn C:18, we read “The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, sunlight and the waters”. This line makes it clear that the dasa and Vedic people were recognized as separate ethnic groups one “dark’, and the other “fair”.
@seasonedsevencolors The term dasa referred to people, not spiritual matters as you alledge. In Rig Veda Book 2 hymn X1:18 we read “Thou hast disclosed the light to light the Arya; on they left hand, O indra, sank the Dasyu. [19] May we gain wealth, subduing with thou succour and the Aryas, all our foes, the Dasyus”. it clear the Arya/Vedic people were attacking the Dasa/ Dasyus to steal their wealth and legacy.The presence of Indo-Aryan speakers in the North illustrates their success.
North Indian and south Indian have same body structure and genes.MIT AND Hyderabad labs tasted every caste and creed in India.more than 80% were Haplogrp M inspite of the castes [which is very native to south Asia [Nigroites have E3 and similar groups which is oldest genepool]. Only small community in North western India have R1a in their blood which was invaded by Greeks. 13 % in higher caste, 8 % in middle castes and 11 % in lower castes.
@saurabhCherished Indians carry the M haplogroup because they recently came from Africa. The Indus Valley civilization share culture with the C-Group people of Nubia. The North Indians carry hg M because the Dravidian women were raped by the Indo-Aryans who killed the men, Among higher class people in Kerela 26% carried the M1 haplogroup which is common to African people check out my videos on African origin of Dravidians and hg M1 among the Dravidian.
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL Actually dude the Balkic people are Aryan it would make Turks Lebanese and Syrians who have the Mamluk Circassian and Alevi Ottoman bloodlines Aryans because the Turks who were Mongols from Turkmenistan mixed with Greeks Bulgars and Huns to make themselves Indo Aryan more in bloodlines Elamites and Dravidians are not Aryans they're Semitic and Dravidians are like a Southern Indian caste
@1pennyhardaway You live in a fantasy world.In Africa plants and animals were domesticated by 13kya. Mehgard only dates to 7kya. . Nubia civilization is 5k years old. The Indus Valley civilization is chracterized by Nubian culture items taken to India by the Dravidians this is proven by the writing and red-and-black ceramics. The language of the Dravidians is genetically related to their African brothers. The Dravians carry sickle cell anemia, African y-chromosomes ( H1, R, and K) .
@Lool You are ridiculous , the first big and ancient civilisations were in Africa ,the Land of Punt , NUBIA ,Ethiopia , Egypt , and it is historically proved by the greeks historians ,Herodotus , Diodorus,Plutarqos , Strabo , Aristotle , that ancient-egyptians were black indigenous people heigh civilised who educated the europeans and asiatics barbaros , so go back in library and read some historic books ok , bye
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL Don't you know that there are blacks of African origin in Indonesia. Look at the anplt jeremy wade goes tribal by a matter fact look it up, he is in the south pacific, none of africa is in the south pacific. So where is he at , he is in asia. These asians look black and african black very dark and are existing in in asia unchanged. So watch you mouth about what you think you know clown!!!!!!!!
OBVIOUSLY African/Eurasians carried African genes, we ALL carry 99% African genes, the 1% is the difference, literally. It's either 99.9% or just 99%, we are all the same.
I am from Nepal. Right now happiness has disappear from Nepal.
The Aryan (Brahmin-Chettri) who have past been ruling Nepal with discrimination, suppression of indigenous Nepalese have destroy Nepal. Nepal today is in a mess. Probably ethnic war between Mongoloid race vs Aryan race in the Himalayan might solve the problem. watch this video for indigenous Nepalese who are Mongoloid race and support them.
@XXSharpSHOOTAX ,ALL non-black Afrikans are from caucasoid Neanderthal hYbrids, thats includes ANYTHING mixed light/white skinned hYbrid, go google,its recent news, caucasoids/ non-blacks are all recessives, devolving counterfeit races, their roots go straight to europe, their a different species to black Afrikaz, so we are NOT all the same, sorry.
Dravidians proved that Ham grandsons Lord Rama and Nimrod were drak skinned and that the Bible is correct. To say why the Aryans hate the bible so much, search Google for "satanic aryan manifesto". Yes, they tried to eliminate and put into bondage the Dravidians and many more through history including the Jewish holocaust of WW2. They're planning ww3 next and the elimination of all mankind that do not agree to be tagged with RFID chips during the 7 year New World Order of the antiChrist.
From the earliest times, the only people who converted to Christianity and Islam were Dravidans and that only to escape the caste system. Today, the Dravidans are being slaughtered like cattles because of the war on terror because both Islam and Christianity is better than the caste system.
lady, both christian and islamic practice caste system. in fact, even today people practice caste systems in their daily life, its just that folks do not realized it coz it is very subtle.
@saminea1 Not true. In Kerala st.Thomas one of the 12 aposteles of Jesus came in search of jews who had settled there for trade.He studied the scriptures carefully and found out that the vedas speak about a certain Prajapati who would sacrifice himself . Connecting this and the death of Jesus on the cross he converted 4 main Brahmin families of that time.Even now these families hold get togethers .This is one of the reasons that Kerala has a comparatively greater Christian population.
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The Aryan Invasion is FALSE. Genetic tests have been conducted by Harvard University confirming that North India and South India share the SAME GENE POOL. Fucking hell aint that hard
@xXx0Sanctuary0xXx This is false the study by Reich et al, Reconstructing Indian population history, Nature 461:489-494 claims that the Indian Cline divides Indians into two groups Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ANS).
@xXx0Sanctuary0xXx The ANI are related to western Eurasians and speak Indo-Euopean languages. The ANS on the otherhand speak Dravidian languages.
This genetic data clearly divides the North and South Indians, and supports AIT; and the replacement of an original Dravidian speaking people in the north by the invading Indo-European speaking Vedic people.
aryan indians are like todays fake american whites, they invaded the land and hence thinks they are native abOriginals, which they are not, since they are from mediteranean caucasian snow cave peoples a.k.a barbarians is another word for them
Yes..the study found 2 gene pools which they divided as ANI and ASI.
But they also say that all the indians are a mix of these 2 races, no present day indian or any other south east asian has a genetic structure thts purely ASI or ANI except for a few tribes on the andaman and nicobar islands.....
Anyways, On a entirely different note....half knowledge is the most dangerous kind of knowledge
@AshmakuChild The HUGO Pan-Asian SNP Consortium (HPASC) (Mapping Human Genetic Diversity in Asia) bring the genetic data for India in line with the archaeological, anthropological and linguistic data. HPASC acknowledges that the Dravidians were probably not the first population to settle India. HPASC also supports an Indo-European migration into India.
This is further support of the lack of common origin for Aryan and Dravidian populations as noted by the ANI and ASI.
@Olmec98 AIT is a controversial theory. No one has the truth. Maybe you right or maybe not
rajkumar8427 1 week ago
The list line by the narrator is the most important one.
gurugoogly2 1 month ago
I believe in AIT.
Like some one earlier has commented some modern day Historians in India are rejecting Aryan invasion theory to unite modern Indians.
The truth is in South Asia there are many different races. THE INDIAN UPPER CASTE IS OF INDO ARYAN ORIGIN.
gurugoogly2 1 month ago
@gurugoogly2 Read the DNA test reports that were recently done on the Indian population. It has discredited the AIT.
gkhinduatheist 2 weeks ago
I saw the picture which first came, in a book which my father got from Singapore.It talks about Arjuna and Krishna in Mahabaratham not about Aryan invasions.
252steff 1 month ago
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@252steff watch this video ---> MAHABHARATA PERIOD - Nepal Kirat King Banashur Fight Krishna
Kiratas fought off aryan invaders but was eventually defeated by the aryan. kirat king was killed by aryan prince krishna. so the person whom indians today worship krishna as god is not a god. he was a aryan general who lead aryan conquest on other's territory.
TaMaGuRaLi 1 month ago
so it proved Dravidians are negroes - Africans
555smano 4 months ago
in a nut shell aryans invaded india,eatablished manusmriti,scripted myths stories to defend thier rituals,divided society fr own selfishness,brought horses to india,destroyed buddhism n jainsm,worked for mughals,british army n administration and still say swarajya is my birth right
rupesh17383 4 months ago
@rupesh17383 Are you absolutely insane? Keep your insanity to yourself. Aryan Invasion has been a ploy of the British East India company to warp the history of India and they are the people who created the word "Dravidian". Such a word does not exist. Keep you stupidity to yourself when you have no idea what you are talking about!
Calador2100 4 months ago
@Calador2100 Shut up u monkey. What olmec says is 100% correct. He is not South Indian or Tamil Nationalist. He has no reason to lie.
KanniRasi1 3 months ago in playlist Olmec History
@Calador2100,
Aryan invasions (many invasions and migrations) is true. The white man lied when he said that whites brought civilisation to India. They stole it. It was created by black peoples there. Some modern day Indians are dismissing the Aryan invasion theory in order to try and 'unite' modern day indians and not make anyone feel insecure about their ancestry.
sonofthedestroyer 3 months ago
@sonofthedestroyer How many indian people know this?
MrValor85 2 days ago
@rupesh17383 yes aryan also destroyed ancient Kirat civilization in Nepal. The Kiratas also fought aryan invaders as mentioned in Mahabharata.
watch this video ---> CHYASAL (800) - Final battlefield between Kiratas and Lichhavis |View From Video Game Developer|
this video shows Kirat fighting off Aryan invasion into Himalayas Nepal and NE India.
diliprai 4 months ago
@rupesh17383 buddha was a hindu ,prince siddhartha.thats why we buddhist have respect for hinduism
omangamkak 2 months ago
indians are mutated from blacks and whites are mutated from indians.... indians are albino version of europeans. All started in AFRICA. africa is the homeland of mankind. And all people belongs to same sort, mankind otherwise they would not get kids with each other that is a prove we are all the same sort, but just different races... U can mix races but not sorts ( cat and dog are not same sort).
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 Dravidians are not Albinos. Dravidians do have Albino children. You have met Dravidians who married Europeans and North Indians and they do not lok Albino. This is a part of your imagination.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 do u have a video of dravidians?? I mean dravidians turn into albino when they left india and move to north europe... So actually u are saying that indians are africans?? africans move to india and later the europeans came and mix with them mmmm I wonder how a real dravidian look likes......u have a video?? north indians are not really white ... alot are just brown, so they are mix with africans?
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 NO I am not saying all INDIANS ARE AFRICANS. I am talking about the Dravidians whO were KUSHITES.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 explain then what is kushites?? grrrrrrrrr why are u so interested in all this? but it is sure. some races think they are superior but in the toilet we look all the same haha
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 I am interested because Dravidians claim they are related t africans so i researched the field.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 mmm ok is nice to know ,but because they left africa they mutated he? and so go one.. u don't believe in the evolution theory? because is still see difference in africans and dravidians... i think they mutated a bit hehehe.
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 The difference is only in hair texture
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 nubia, kushitis wow nice.. so indians came from them ... mm the egyptians... i like the egyptian culture.. they were very intelligent too. SOO actually the Dravidians (EGYPTS) are the same... they invent alot what u .... Islam spoilt everything (egypt, iran etc).. India still the same ,more or less... hope they keep it like that..
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 if we are talking about india for aryans-dravidians,for most part of country u can't identify who is aryans/dravidian.Infact most of indians(specially central india) mixed breed of both,as u know custom & tradition
of dravidian accepted by aryans at the same time approach of aryans to deal with question like where we come from,what is god,what is life accepted by dravidian.after while they are formed a homogenous group,which is still distinguised by geography.
vicky26583 4 months ago
@rakiema1 that why when we come down from north to south texture of skin darken.Homogentiy in society can be understand by lot people from south come to north and have a sastrath at varanasi(in up ),while lot of others from north came down to south india to understand lot of things(most precious example shri ram,who came all the way form north to south it may depend upon how u believe in ramayan but apart from ramayan lot of other examples are there)
vicky26583 4 months ago
@Olmec98 yeah many dravidians(which were called dasyus by aryans,reside in harappa in northern india before invasion,they have close facial features to east africans like ethiopians,even know you can see that,check vadivelu in google,he is tamil actor,but many arrogant hindus dont believe aryan ivasion,as they believe hinduism originated in india,but the fact is rigvedic hindus(the invasive aryans)worshipped fire,just like their cental asian counterparts,the zorastrians.
fossilshale 4 months ago
african has big nose curly hair, big mouth, thick lips, big ass and other features.. dark indian people has european features. whites are albino version of indians/ paki's. Is not just the colour. chinese is white too are they europeans??
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 All Black people do not have big noses and big asses. Many Indians are much darker than Africans and Africans have European features. Since Africans were first these features had to hve been originally African features..
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 i believe that mankind started in africa and mutated, and it looks so true too. But the davridras are abit like austrolic people, but north india is more like iran. And indians are actually albino europeans ( northern). The aryan invasion is false the english use that to steal and rob india. Watch a video origin of white people race (north european). People gor mutated, i also saw blond people with very curly hair. But all started in africa......sure
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 You ontradict yoursef. you claim that the Dravidians were like the austrolic people and north Indians look like Iranians.if they look like Iranians hey had to have come from Iran which is not part of India. This implies an invasion. Think.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 No india is very big it is like a continent. the north africans look more different than south and west africans. Like u said not all africans has that big nose and ass so is the same in india. South india is hotter and so darker people. Their features are the same just their color is dark by the sun. And the invasion is false there are not proves, froem where does the aryan race come then?? people are just mutated !!! the indians moved to north europa and got pale
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 This your imagination you find Dark Dravidians in the North and the Munda people are dark and they live in the North. So the sun does no cause someone to be dark.
We see a change in pottery from red-and-black to grey. This provides evidence of invasion. Plus the Vedic literatures speaks of the Arya attackingwalled cities. This implies invasion,right.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 the europeans cannot imagine that dark (black) people can be so intelligent that is why they invent the invasion story, think !! mathematics, language (sancrit)...etc.. So they come with this theory and to rob all there because they claim is theirs.. I don't believe in the invasion sorry. From where do the aryans come than? england? are there proves from where?? and al the indian philisofy is european???? haha don't make me laugh... yoga, meditation, tantra, aryuveda? come on!
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 This is your belief, archaeology tells a different story.. The Aryans came from Iran, not Europe.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1 are you nuts, dont show your stupid indian aggression, meditation was known to all people in ancient times, just because it has prominance in india, it doesnt mean it is originated in india alone, look at zero, the american indians(mayans) also invented zero, ayurveda was ancient medical science, no doubt, but other parts of world have also ancient doctors, medicines.
fossilshale 4 months ago
@rakiema1 the indian subcontinent didnt have horses until aryans brought them, in forests horses cant survive, they
need grass lands, the nomadic aryans searched for fertile land and they settled in north india, the statues found at harappa, clearly resembles african facial features, they were driven south by aryans. the pointed nose people evolved from mongoloids around 5000 bc, them mongoloids themselves evolved from africans.i saw this program in national geographic channel about races.
fossilshale 4 months ago
@rakiema1 Also there is no evidence of African mutating into Europeans in Africa.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@Olmec98 i thougth a lot africans were mixed with arabs, in somalie? anyway african skin is better and stronger than european skin....
rakiema1 4 months ago
@rakiema1 The original Arabs were Blacks. The present Arabs are descendants of the Turks and Europeans that conquored the area since Greco-Roman times..
Many Fulani, Somali and Ethiopians have never mixed wit Arabs or Europeans.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1
Dravidian populations and Africans also share several y-chromosome, HLA and mtDNA .
The 9bp transition at 16311 are congruent among Dravidians and West Africans . The analysis revealed that the Nadar and Fulani HLA indicate that the populations share a number of unique alleles including A*101, A*0211,A*03011, A*3303, B*3501, B*3701, B*51011.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1
Shared y-chromosomes include H1, K2 or Y-DNA T-M70 (11%). The Highest frequency of T-M70 in the world is found among the Fulani. In relation to y-chromosome H1, 22% of Dravidians carry this haplogroup.
Sickle cell anemia is frequent among Africans and Dravidian Tribal populations. It is interesting that the Arab-Indian and Senegal haplotypes are both associated with a C!T mutation at position -158.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1
The Dravidians belong to the M macrohaplogroup. Shared Afro-Indo M haplogroups include M1,M3 M30, and M33. The M1 haplogroup was especially evident among high caste people in Kerela.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1 Aravaanan (1980) has written extensively on the African and Dravidian relations. He has illustrated that the Africans and Dravidian share many physical similarities including the dolichocephalic indexes (Aravaanan 1980,pp.62-263), platyrrhine nasal index (Aravaanan 1980,pp.25-27), stature (31-32) and blood type (Aravaanan 1980,34-35).
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1 Aravaanan (1980,p.40) also presented much evidence for analogous African and Dravidian cultural features including the chipping of incisor teeth and the use of the lost wax process to make bronze works of arts (Aravaanan 1980,p.41).
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1
Dravidian speaking people recognize their African heritage. See:
Aravanan KP. 1976. ''Physical and cultural similarities between Dravidians and Africans''. Journal of Tamil Studies 10:23–27;
Aravanan KP. 1979. "Notable negroid elements in Dravidian India". J Tamil Studies 20–45.
Aravanan KP. 1980. Dravidians and Africans, Madras.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@rakiema1 Whites are NOT Albinos stop demeaning & degrading us by calling us that. Chinese are NOT white
buffyjosmom 2 months ago
i see a black indian on the horse
rakiema1 4 months ago
@MrBharath14 I have removed your post due to the curse words you used in your responses.
Olmec98 4 months ago
@PartyAllSeason
i don't like crib abt this too much..coz its past..but i don't understand wats wrong in accepting it...even lord buddha abandoned sanskrit n vedic system n used prakrit coz of their caste system..but again brahmins went ahead saying he was reincarnation of lord vishnu..
MrBharath14 4 months ago
According to Ambedkar, Dalits were originally Aryans belonging to the Kshatriya class
PartyAllSeason 4 months ago
@PartyAllSeason There is no evidence that the Kshatriya were hindus.
Olmec98 4 months ago
if aryan invasion is denied today..in another 50 years these assholes will deny british rule in india...atleast they got railways to india..wat the fuck did aryans got us?hatred amongst each other..
MrBharath14 4 months ago
@MrBharath14 Britishers came to India, Mughals came to India, Turks came to India...their arrival is well documented, they themselves wrote about their journeys and invasions, WHY is there NO EVIDENCE of Aryan Invasion, why are there only THEORIES and SUGGESTIONS...if Aryans INVADED India, why didn't they mentioned it, why don't they mention any place other than India in their texts?
PartyAllSeason 4 months ago
@PartyAllSeason The Vedas describe a people lacking cities arts and etc, attacking peole living in walled cities.These nomads were Aryan people. The fact they describe invading north India to take the wealth of the Dravidians support an Aryan invasion.
Olmec98 4 months ago
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@Olmec98 Kiratas fought aryan invasion into himalayas region(now nepal and NE India).
In the Mahabharata war, Kirat King fought pandavas kings led by aryan general krishna. Kirat King Yalamber from nepal and another kirati king from assam.
watch ths video ---> kirata:the himalayas race
diliprai 4 months ago
@MrBharath14 I second that notion. hitler did these racist fucks a HUGE diservice when he appropriated their culture, BLOWING THEIR COVER WIDE OPEN and revealing them as the lying bastards that they are
rasheedzee 5 months ago
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people will always deny the truth even when its staring them in the face
76nikeblue 5 months ago
@goran21715 This proves nothing. It only shows that your ancestors adopted Mitanni cultural items.
Olmec98 5 months ago
@goran21715
Most of what we know about Hurrian comes from theTel al-Armarna letters. The letters written in Hurroan were numbered 22 and 25. In 1909 Bork, in Mitteilungen der Vorderasiatische Gesellschaft, wrote a translation of the letters.In 1930, G.W. Brown proposed that the words in letters 22 and 25 were Dravidian especially Tamil.
Olmec98 5 months ago
@goran21715 The Hurrians enterMesopotamia from the northeastern hilly area . They introduced horse-drawn war chariots to Mesopotamia .Hurrians penetrate Mesopotamia and Syria-Palestine between 1700-1500 BC. The major Hurrian Kingdom was Mitanni, which was founded bySudarna I (c.1550), was established at Washukanni on the Khabur River. The Hurrian capital was Urkesh, one of its earliest kings was called Tupkish.
Olmec98 5 months ago
@goran21715 You don't know what you're talking about. BjarteKaldhol studied 500 Hurrian names and found that only 5, were Indo-Aryan sounding. This made it clear that the IA people probably learned horsemenship from the Hurrians, and not the other way around. It shows that the Mitanni/Hurrians were not indo-Aryan speakers.
The Mitanni/Hurrians did not speak Kurdish.
Olmec98 5 months ago
@goran21715
In 1930, G.W. Brown (1930),has shown that the vowels and consonants of Hurrian and Dravidian are analogous. Brown noted the following similarities between Dravidian and Hurrian: 1)presence of a fullness of forms employed by both languages; 2) presence of active and passive verbal forms are notdistinguished; 3) presence of verbal forms that are formed by particles; 4) both language) identical use of -m, as nominative; 5) similar pronouns; and similar ending formations.
Olmec98 5 months ago
@goran21715 You don't know what you're talking about. BjarteKaldhol studied 500 Hurrian names and found that only 5, were Indo-Aryan sounding. This made it clear that the IA people probably learned horsemenship from the Hurrians, and not the other way around. It shows that the Mitanni/Hurrians were not indo-Aryan speakers.
Olmec98 5 months ago
@goran21715 Mitanni is not an IE language. This suggest that the Aryans got their gods and horse knowledge from none Aryan speakers..
Olmec98 5 months ago
@jakelmngr HAHAHAHA EPIC.
qwertyui66771 6 months ago
If so, can u explain the language similarity of Iranian, east european or even russian and north Indian languages. This similarity is not evident in Dravidian language and African languages... as far as I know... Have u find anything similar?
antonyanmar 6 months ago
@antonyanmar They may show similarities because greek was used as a lingua franca for merchants for hundreds of years and many greek terms may have been nativized by the various peoples using the language.
Olmec98 6 months ago
@antonyanmar , exactly!!
go4vern 6 months ago
"he thing which matters is what was hinduism about 4000 years back. Whatever were lost since then has created a big social, cultural and economical divide in the society."
Actually many scholars believe that "Hinduism back then" which I take you're refering to the Hinduism of the Vedas actually preached a flexible caste systemm, it is sometime later that the caste system became more rigid (way later when everyone was too mixed to know who was that ethnicity).
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 Flexible caste system is a myth. The proof of that is Manusmriti. Manu clearly defines what the castes are and how they came in existence. If you want to refer Vedas then please be specific on which one you are referring to, so that I can clarify on that part.
Another interesting thing about Manusmriti is that there is no reference to South India in it. Manu's India is the place between Vindhya and Himalaya. That too shed more light on two distinctive culture/race in India.
jerkrichie 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
How is flexible caste system a myth? You have yet to explain that. You give Manu Smriti as a "proof" yet Manu Smriti was written between 2100bc-200 AD (literally a thousand years after Vedic culture). Further, Manu Smirti is not a religious scripture it was a LAW code and wasn't even followed in many parts of India, hence why it only mentioned a certain region (while Hinduism itself was followed all throughout the regin today known as India).
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 to your question why hinduism all over india, because the jains, buddhist temple were destroyed, converted into hindu temples. even fahian, huen tsang, the chinese travellers mentioned this. many jains, buddhists
converted to hinduism fearing outcast by hindus.
fossilshale 4 months ago
@fossilshale your absoultely wrong,all over india temples of jainism and buddisim destroyed.
Even hindisum after sometime of western invesion identifiyed,pre invesion era includes all such ideas open for all: such as jainism,buddisum,jor.,shaaiv many others.But some of faiths(i am calling them as faiths) ideologically the same one but in different forms,fahian describes only such faiths.
specially about jainism,at that time faith is around current north west frontier of pakistan and agganistan
vicky26583 4 months ago
@fossilshale stop spreading your lies and deception.
Calador2100 4 months ago
@jerkrichie
There was a typo error- Manu Smirti was written between 200bc-200ad
sungod221 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
You can't just say "there was an Aryan invasion" and then not proceed to answer your own question. If there are so many questions unanswered then why do you accept the theory? I think we can never go back in time and know exactly what happened but based on all the evidence out there, there is very little evidence that caste was based on race or ethnicity.
sungod221 6 months ago
@Olmec98 why have you put Krishna's painting here ? are you tryin to put even our god into aryan or dravidian question.. please dont... use pics which are related to the topic..
MrRougeasassin 7 months ago
watch?v=lRKdSruWAKg
ARARNR 7 months ago
@jakelmngr Killed aryans ? there were no Aryans back then. Africans came and build civilization then came the aryan barbarians who destroyed the civilization and build their violent oppressive culture in northern india. Which continues till date, making the ancient dravidians.. now termed as Dalits to have life worst than animals.
jerkrichie 8 months ago
@jerkrichie Aryan invasion began around 3000 years ago as mentioned in Rigveda. Aryans stole the Mongoloid Asian culture, history, and screwed up their religion. The European have prove that Sanskrit language is based on an old Indo-European parent language. The mother tongue of the Mongoloid Asian race have no Indo-European origin.
watch this video ---> MONGOLOID_IN_THE_HIMALAYAS |View from Anthropologist|
where it sheds lights about Mongoloid race in the Himalayas of Nepal and Northeast India.
diliprai 8 months ago
@diliprai Can you give some more information about the Aryan origin details from Rigveda ? I am trying to learn more about how aryan invasion has shaped indian culture as we know now.
There seems to be a considerable difference in the hinduism in south India and hinduism in north india, few of the gods in south arent even there. Same goes with the stories related to Shiva. Is there something like that with Mongoloid culture and current aryan hinduism ?
jerkrichie 8 months ago
Greeting my Dravidian brothers and sisters. i am Kirat, Mongoloid race, native of the Himalayas, Nepal. Dravidian and Kiratas fought Aryan invasion.
Here's more about my people.
watch this videos ---> Kiratas:the Himalayas Race
---> MONGOLOID_IN_THE_HIMALAYAS |View from Anthropologist|
---> The Kiratas In Modern India: Discriminated in their own home
----> Sakela~the Greatest Festival of Kirat people
We should let the world know more about Dravidian and Kiratas contribution in Ancient India.
diliprai 7 months ago
@jerkrichie
Hinduism is based on philosophy and folktales, therefore youre going to get variations in various regions. This has nothing to do with which version is right or people stealing another version and what not. It has more to do with using metaphor to interpret values in ones culture, which differs.
Remember, Hinduism is not so much about proving whether Lord Shiva extisted, but rather seeing Lord Shiva as either the ultimate form of reality or just one aspect of God.
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 You sums up what I said. It is a merge of culture, it is a merge of philosophy, folktales and mannerisms of Aryans and Dravidians. Unfortunately dravidians had to pay the price for it.
What matters here is not what hinduism is about right now. The thing which matters is what was hinduism about 4000 years back. Whatever were lost since then has created a big social, cultural and economical divide in the society. one should not neglect those as metaphors or wrong interpretations.
jerkrichie 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
"Unfortunately dravidians had to pay the price for it."- What price?
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 The descendents of Dravidians in north India ended up being the Dalits (untouchables) for centuries... thats the price.
jerkrichie 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
Of course Hinduism in the South and North will differ. While the core of Hinduism is stayes the same, there are many variations in Hinduism differing from region to region. Hinduism is not a rigid dogmatic belief, which is why you have these variations. You find these same differences in other religions- Buddhism of Japan is completely different than the one in Tibet. Same with Mormons and Catholics. Sufis and Sunnis.
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 If it is not a rigid dogmatic belief, then dont you think it is time to change certain bad things which are associated with hinduism?... the main one being the caste system... which historically is a by product of aryan invasion.
jerkrichie 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
Yes, of course we should rid social evils and ills. The caste system is not a product of Aryan invasion lol. Caste systems have always existed and was a part of many ancient soceities. It still exists in places like Japan and parts of Africa where the untouchables of those regions are treated exactly like the Dalits. Further, there was no Aryan invasion. There were migrations and there are many theories as to what Indus Valley was (some scholars believe it was an abandoned society
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 "Always" is not a time period, so always existed is a lame excuse. You are spot on about japan and Africa. It is the indigenous people in those places who ended up being in the lower ranks of society, just like dravidians in India. It was there in many of the ancient societies, but not in any of the modern societies...except India. And there was Aryan invasion, you cant avoid that simply because it leaves lots of questions unanswered.
jerkrichie 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
Actually most castes systems around the world pushed the lower ranks from the SAME ethnicity down to the bottom. It was due to the work they did that they were considered "polluted". And there are still caste discriminations in Africa and Japan right now. Read about caste more in depth.
sungod221 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
Further, it is universally accepted that caste was not based on race or skin color. This was a view that was only pushed in the 18th century by racist Eurocentrists and seems to have been picked up by Afrocentrists (who themselves got it from the Eurocentrists- way to go). This view however, as ive said earlier, it universally accepted by most scholars not be true.
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 Your universe is quite small buddy. Dont blame Eurocentrists or Afrocentrists for making caste system. Coz caste system was in existence in India even before they knew where India was. All they did was to conduct thorough study on what is the caste system in India and how it came to existence. Blaming europeans for caste system is like blaming umbrella for rain.
jerkrichie 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
Here you go again playing semantic games. Caste existed and exists in India as a social system. Afrocentrists are twisting the origin of the caste system as to make it a race bases system to push their agenda and widen AFROCENTRIC support not to actually help the Dalits as a people.
When they get proven wrong on how caste is a social system not a racist system, they proceed to throw useless rhetoric.
sungod221 6 months ago 2
@jerkrichie
Some scholars even believe that the rigidity of the caste system may have to do with tribal influence (which cmes from Munda Australoid speakers). South Indians are generally way more strict about caste than North Indians are.
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 Dravidians never had a caste system. And caste system in south India happened only in post aryan invasion era.
Rigidity of the caste system definitely has to due to with the tribal influence, with Dravidians and Aryans being the tribes in equation. Munda Australoid were more of isolated community until very recent times, so they dont have much to do with the caste system.
jerkrichie 6 months ago
@jerkrichie
Not much is known about Dravidian culture to begin with. No one is even sure regarding the origin of Dravidian culture. The earliest written record describing Dravidians are the Hindu texts which describe certain Hindu kings as "Brahmins" of the South.
Again, all your assertions are based on no evidence, Just pure speculation.
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 watch this video ---> Aryans of India,Pakistan,and Nepal
the aryans no doubt are Caucasoid race.
diliprai 6 months ago
@diliprai
Many dravidian speakers are cacausoid too. Aryan is a language, not a race.
sungod221 6 months ago
@sungod221 yes thats true, aryan invasion is real, to your question, dravidians are also cacausian, thats because around 100 Ad, many saka(scythian warriors) employed by satavahana kings, some satraps even ruled deccan and eventually settled, also there were migrations of people from north to sound(some historians say the kamma caste people of andhra state they migrate from rajathan) check in google about kamma caste people they look so cacausoid, ofcourse some are black due to mutation.
fossilshale 4 months ago
@fossilshale you are insane, shut your stupidity.
Calador2100 4 months ago
The Dravidic peoples are a cushitic peoples who descended from Ethiopia. My Hindu geography teacher explained this to me. The Dravidians are from the house of Solomon. Not including alot of black Africans where taken to India to serve in the armies of the maharashas during the Arab slave trade that went on for 14 centuries. Study the Arab slave trade, it reveals the true Hebraic(Hebrew peoples) of India.
DIJV79 8 months ago
@DIJV79, hi shiva is from kirat(mongoloid) race. but later aryan adopted him and make shiva as aryan god.
same thing with buddha. buddha was mongoloid race.
watch this video --> shiva as lord_of_kirat
and --> Kiratas:the Himalayas Race
diliprai 8 months ago
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They translated Arya as "noble",Thus,they become racists by killing the blacks Indians who created the ancient indian civilisation.The Aryans were the invaders who come from the north of Asia.The Aryans brahmans consider themselves as priests and discriminate the black untouchables.But the poor Aryan extremists ,don't know that there is another heighest race who enslaved and gave them this name.This is the Egyptian-Puntite race in Northern-East of Africa."Arya" means "Dirty" in their language.
sajokal20 8 months ago
They translated Arya as "noble",Thus,they become racists by killing the blacks Indians who created the ancient indian civilisation.The Aryans were the invaders who come from the north of Asia.The Aryans brahmans consider themselves as priests and discriminate the black untouchables.But the poor Aryan extremists ,don't know that there is another heighest race who enslaved and gave them this name.This is the Egyptian-Puntite race in Northern-East of Africa."Arya" means "Dirty" in their language.
sajokal20 8 months ago
ok,lets all admit african culture is superior and that all civilization is indebt to african intellect.they have just been in a bad cultural slump since writng began.
1fangodzilla 9 months ago
great video. we r all 1
dHARMa187 10 months ago
@jakelmngr you are so sick . we think you need to get out of india
satez416 11 months ago
@jakelmngr What is your support for Aryans being in India before the Dravidians?
Olmec98 11 months ago
@Olmec98 what is your proof that Aryans and Dravidians were a race at first place ?
second why Tamil or Vedic scriptures do not talk about any such fight , this all propaganda came after Maxmuller a British who was not even a historian , before that no one knows about fight between Arya and Dravids because non of the texts support the same , now the main stream historians have discarded the Aryan Invasion Theory , are u aware of that ?
AbhaySinghBisen 8 months ago 2
@AbhaySinghBisen Reich et al, Reconstructing Indian population history, Nature 461:489-494 claims that the Indian Cline divides Indians into two groups Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ANS).
Olmec98 8 months ago
@Olmec98 That is because of linguistic differences . They all belong to the same race.Also their scriptures talk about they same subject whether in Tamil or sanskrit.
ramprakashsrinivasan 5 months ago
@AbhaySinghBisen Main stream historians discarded Aryan Invasion Theory? Nope only hardcore Hindus who are too dumb to see the evidence. Genetic study points to an Aryan Invasion. Ramayan and Mahabharata talks of Rakshas, invasion of Lanka et all , Anyway, open your mind and read without prejudice.
statickk14 5 months ago
@Olmec98 This is soo true mate.The Tamil ,kannadigas and keralites even though distinctly different in skin tone and attributes,possess a rich tapestry of beautiful ancient temples and pre vedic knowledge.For instance, Ayurveda originates from Kerala.Bharatanatyam, a Tamil dance possibly could be Ancient Indias oldest dance form.The whole Mahabharata episode is a distortion, so as to promote an Aryan supremacy theory.If you notice, the rakshasas are further south and dark(along with lanka)
MrTheCorrupter 7 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter
Non sense. You have no evidence or proof of any of this shit. Aryan is not even a race. Lord Krishna and Rama were Aryans and they had Black skin.
Many Rakshasas are Brahmins LOL.
It's obvious you're promoting an agenda.
sungod221 6 months ago
and the devas are fair and aryan.Ayodhya as capital.Then came the Vedas - a distortion over ancient Harappan beliefs.There is even a folklore of a great Asura king -Mahabali(Ruler of kerala) who was stamped down to earth by vishnu(God=or aryan) albeit using treachery.I suspect the whole aryan invasion and conquest into south India was stopped on its heels by a semi real or maybe even real warrior king called Mahabali(suspect origins of kalari -Indias oldest martial art form).
MrTheCorrupter 7 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter
No where does it state that the Devas are fair. And Vishnu had dark skin. There was no Aryan invasion, there was a migration of Sanskrit speakers and genetics show Indians to be genetically similar. I believe there are some difference in which some has to do with the Dravidian speakers in the South developing dark skin and thickers hair. Btw. Tamils are some of the most devout Hindus and trace their lineage back thousands of years.
sungod221 6 months ago
Looks like you've been reading too many anti-Hindu sites. Nice copy and paste job.
The ancient charms the south preserved are all Vedic Hindu charms.You make no sense at all.
sungod221 6 months ago
Mythology says,Mahabali(ruler of Kerala) could never be defeated by the gods(Aryans) and they were jealous of the prosperity of the king and his land and later on Vishnu tricks the king into asking him a promise.Vishnu then uses treachery to stamp him down to the earth(I suspect an Aryan military failure into a south Dravidian territory - Aryans cook up a myth,ready to cover up)Perhaps thats why Tamil Nadu and Kerala still preserve ancient charms as compared to rest of the fallen north!!.
MrTheCorrupter 7 months ago
im dravidian........................
TheShylesh 11 months ago
@TheShylesh im mixed you probably are too human beings are pathetic
nrgshkl093 10 months ago
@Bluecollarchef hi i am Kirat. My ancestors fought Aryan invasion into Himalayas.
Kirat are Mongoloid race(same lookalike chinese, korean, asian)
watch this video --> Kiratas:the himalayas race
diliprai 1 year ago
Another wanna be Aryan.
TheAtheistHindu 1 year ago
@MDravidian You are a liar. This is not even discussed in this article
Olmec98 1 year ago
@MDravidian You are a liar.
Olmec98 1 year ago
This is SOOOOOO RETARDED.
ARYANA are part of the ASIAN race from IRAN to northern INDIA.
ARAYN invasion THEORY is as ridiculos as humanity originated from Africa, when ASIAN RACE & civilization is older then Africa.
ASK this why do NATIVES & ABORIGINES across the globe are related to ASIANS???
NEGRO CENTRCIS are a joke, same as EURO CENTRIC.
TheBENGALHANNIBAL 1 year ago 16
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL If this is true why does Vedic literature spend so much time discussing their invansion and attack of walled cities and describe no settle culture items?
Olmec98 1 year ago
@Olmec98 Olmec, you can present many points towards claiming that Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) stands justified and Aryans came as invaders to India. But the fact is Out of India (OIT) supporters also have many valid points to refute your claim. For a starter, why didn't so called Dravidians and Aryan mixed descendants in India have any recollection of Aryan invasion of India? At least Dravidians should have remembered it - Did Dravidians simply FORGOT the so called-national humiliation?
seasonedsevencolors 1 year ago
@seasonedsevencolors Firstly, the Aryans record their invansion in the Vedas. The Dravidians who were conquored in the North were murdered or absorbed..
Olmec98 1 year ago
@Olmec98 Not logical. Lower caste North Indians (who acc. to AIT are un-absorbed Indigenous Dravidians) should have remembered the invasion but they don't and didn't.
Secondly, Indian spirituality which is very heavily inspired by the Vedas frequently categorized 'ignorance or barbarism or sorcery' as dark/ black = DASA. Vedas never referred to the defeated 'Dasas' (word used in Veda) as lower castes or the Southern Indians. Brahmins should have remembered the invasion but they also didn't.
seasonedsevencolors 1 year ago
@seasonedsevencolors This is illogical. The memory of this invansion is foudn among North Indians--it is recorded in the Rig Veda.
Your conclusions are groundless and suggest that you have never read the Rig Veda. Firstly, the Vedas talk about wars in North India between the Vedic and non-Vedic people who lived in pura or tripura (walled cities or forts). Thusly, Indra was called the puramdar “fort destroyer.There is nothing in the vedic literature that refers to South India as you note.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@seasonedsevencolors
The term dasa referred to people, not spiritual matters as you alledge. In Ralph T.H. Griffth (trs) Rig Veda (1896) of Book 1,hymn C:18, we read “The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, sunlight and the waters”. This line makes it clear that the dasa and Vedic people were recognized as separate ethnic groups one “dark’, and the other “fair”.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@seasonedsevencolors The term dasa referred to people, not spiritual matters as you alledge. In Rig Veda Book 2 hymn X1:18 we read “Thou hast disclosed the light to light the Arya; on they left hand, O indra, sank the Dasyu. [19] May we gain wealth, subduing with thou succour and the Aryas, all our foes, the Dasyus”. it clear the Arya/Vedic people were attacking the Dasa/ Dasyus to steal their wealth and legacy.The presence of Indo-Aryan speakers in the North illustrates their success.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@Olmec98
North Indian and south Indian have same body structure and genes.MIT AND Hyderabad labs tasted every caste and creed in India.more than 80% were Haplogrp M inspite of the castes [which is very native to south Asia [Nigroites have E3 and similar groups which is oldest genepool]. Only small community in North western India have R1a in their blood which was invaded by Greeks. 13 % in higher caste, 8 % in middle castes and 11 % in lower castes.
saurabhCherished 1 year ago
@saurabhCherished Indians carry the M haplogroup because they recently came from Africa. The Indus Valley civilization share culture with the C-Group people of Nubia. The North Indians carry hg M because the Dravidian women were raped by the Indo-Aryans who killed the men, Among higher class people in Kerela 26% carried the M1 haplogroup which is common to African people check out my videos on African origin of Dravidians and hg M1 among the Dravidian.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL Actually dude the Balkic people are Aryan it would make Turks Lebanese and Syrians who have the Mamluk Circassian and Alevi Ottoman bloodlines Aryans because the Turks who were Mongols from Turkmenistan mixed with Greeks Bulgars and Huns to make themselves Indo Aryan more in bloodlines Elamites and Dravidians are not Aryans they're Semitic and Dravidians are like a Southern Indian caste
pandararya00 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL looooool!! what Asian civilization is older then any african lmao!! go do your homework
1pennyhardaway 1 year ago
@1pennyhardaway You live in a fantasy world.In Africa plants and animals were domesticated by 13kya. Mehgard only dates to 7kya. . Nubia civilization is 5k years old. The Indus Valley civilization is chracterized by Nubian culture items taken to India by the Dravidians this is proven by the writing and red-and-black ceramics. The language of the Dravidians is genetically related to their African brothers. The Dravians carry sickle cell anemia, African y-chromosomes ( H1, R, and K) .
Olmec98 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL Asians are nowhere near as old as Africans. Asian are a product of African migration.
garychldress74 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL every one like this comment it so these CENTRICS can get some real truth
reyosa1511 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL- check this out /watch?v=L3IzMvBeOLk&playnext=1&list=PLF6D7053C01B18D7B
billsarebullyesyes 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL- it works. did u put youtube.com in front of it?
billsarebullyesyes 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL- LOL, u may not like this, the vid title is....... DNA proves chinese are african : )
billsarebullyesyes 1 year ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL says a asian centric, lol. There's evidence by chinese scientists that your wrong, lol.
Trinivalts 1 year ago
@Trinivalts yup even the chinese scientist say that china has african roots within it
lionheartodd 9 months ago
@Lool You are ridiculous , the first big and ancient civilisations were in Africa ,the Land of Punt , NUBIA ,Ethiopia , Egypt , and it is historically proved by the greeks historians ,Herodotus , Diodorus,Plutarqos , Strabo , Aristotle , that ancient-egyptians were black indigenous people heigh civilised who educated the europeans and asiatics barbaros , so go back in library and read some historic books ok , bye
sajokal20 8 months ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL Don't you know that there are blacks of African origin in Indonesia. Look at the anplt jeremy wade goes tribal by a matter fact look it up, he is in the south pacific, none of africa is in the south pacific. So where is he at , he is in asia. These asians look black and african black very dark and are existing in in asia unchanged. So watch you mouth about what you think you know clown!!!!!!!!
hellbent130 8 months ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL asians came directly from southeast africans.
jungleman68 5 months ago
@TheBENGALHANNIBAL the first human civilization comes from middle east not from africa
jjboy711 5 months ago
OBVIOUSLY African/Eurasians carried African genes, we ALL carry 99% African genes, the 1% is the difference, literally. It's either 99.9% or just 99%, we are all the same.
XXSharpSHOOTAX 1 year ago
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I am from Nepal. Right now happiness has disappear from Nepal.
The Aryan (Brahmin-Chettri) who have past been ruling Nepal with discrimination, suppression of indigenous Nepalese have destroy Nepal. Nepal today is in a mess. Probably ethnic war between Mongoloid race vs Aryan race in the Himalayan might solve the problem. watch this video for indigenous Nepalese who are Mongoloid race and support them.
here's the video --> "Kiratas:the Himalayas Race"
diliprai 1 year ago
@XXSharpSHOOTAX ,ALL non-black Afrikans are from caucasoid Neanderthal hYbrids, thats includes ANYTHING mixed light/white skinned hYbrid, go google,its recent news, caucasoids/ non-blacks are all recessives, devolving counterfeit races, their roots go straight to europe, their a different species to black Afrikaz, so we are NOT all the same, sorry.
july95211 1 year ago
Dravidians proved that Ham grandsons Lord Rama and Nimrod were drak skinned and that the Bible is correct. To say why the Aryans hate the bible so much, search Google for "satanic aryan manifesto". Yes, they tried to eliminate and put into bondage the Dravidians and many more through history including the Jewish holocaust of WW2. They're planning ww3 next and the elimination of all mankind that do not agree to be tagged with RFID chips during the 7 year New World Order of the antiChrist.
AlienshateU 1 year ago
From the earliest times, the only people who converted to Christianity and Islam were Dravidans and that only to escape the caste system. Today, the Dravidans are being slaughtered like cattles because of the war on terror because both Islam and Christianity is better than the caste system.
saminea1 1 year ago
@saminea1
lady, both christian and islamic practice caste system. in fact, even today people practice caste systems in their daily life, its just that folks do not realized it coz it is very subtle.
GunaMalaysia 1 year ago
@saminea1 Not true. In Kerala st.Thomas one of the 12 aposteles of Jesus came in search of jews who had settled there for trade.He studied the scriptures carefully and found out that the vedas speak about a certain Prajapati who would sacrifice himself . Connecting this and the death of Jesus on the cross he converted 4 main Brahmin families of that time.Even now these families hold get togethers .This is one of the reasons that Kerala has a comparatively greater Christian population.
tigerpoosha 1 year ago
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The Aryan Invasion is FALSE. Genetic tests have been conducted by Harvard University confirming that North India and South India share the SAME GENE POOL. Fucking hell aint that hard
xXx0Sanctuary0xXx 1 year ago
@xXx0Sanctuary0xXx This is false the study by Reich et al, Reconstructing Indian population history, Nature 461:489-494 claims that the Indian Cline divides Indians into two groups Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ANS).
Olmec98 1 year ago
@xXx0Sanctuary0xXx The ANI are related to western Eurasians and speak Indo-Euopean languages. The ANS on the otherhand speak Dravidian languages.
This genetic data clearly divides the North and South Indians, and supports AIT; and the replacement of an original Dravidian speaking people in the north by the invading Indo-European speaking Vedic people.
Olmec98 1 year ago
@Olmec98 indeed you know TRUTH...
aryan indians are like todays fake american whites, they invaded the land and hence thinks they are native abOriginals, which they are not, since they are from mediteranean caucasian snow cave peoples a.k.a barbarians is another word for them
CushiticSomalianMale 1 year ago
@Olmec98
Naah....you have the facts wrong...
Yes..the study found 2 gene pools which they divided as ANI and ASI.
But they also say that all the indians are a mix of these 2 races, no present day indian or any other south east asian has a genetic structure thts purely ASI or ANI except for a few tribes on the andaman and nicobar islands.....
Anyways, On a entirely different note....half knowledge is the most dangerous kind of knowledge
AshmakuChild 1 year ago 16
@AshmakuChild The HUGO Pan-Asian SNP Consortium (HPASC) (Mapping Human Genetic Diversity in Asia) bring the genetic data for India in line with the archaeological, anthropological and linguistic data. HPASC acknowledges that the Dravidians were probably not the first population to settle India. HPASC also supports an Indo-European migration into India.
This is further support of the lack of common origin for Aryan and Dravidian populations as noted by the ANI and ASI.
Olmec98 1 year ago