McNamara deceived LBJ on Vietnam

[exenrontexas]

Read "JFK and the Abomination" to understand an entirely different view of McNamara and JFK. McNamara was fully supportive of JFKs order to REMOVE our troops from Vietnam. McNamara testified that the attacks on the Turner Joy and the Maddox on Aug, 4, 1964...NEVER HAPPENED. I served on the Turner Joy sometime after that and NO ONE I met believed they were attacked that night.

[tizzleflepp]

Go read a book, learn something other then the 2 facts u know about McNamara. Stop judging him upon his involvement in vietnam, he owned up to his mistakes unlike johnson. LBJ had more influence in losing that war then McNamara. LBJ WAS THE PRESIDENT!! HE HAS EXECUTIVE ORDER!!! McNamara was just an advisor (though he did have great influence) mcnamara wanted out of vietnam the last few years, but johnson pressed on. LEARN!!!!

[centurion180ad]

This video is full of bogus clap trap.

02 MARCH 1964, LBJ says it all out of his own mouth.

LBJ was a bull in a china closet, a demon running amok, and not some helpless fool making bad decisions. He was a Texas gangster up to his eyeballs in the assassination of his predecessor, Hell bent on a slaughter “because the rot may spread.”

watch?v=mR1ooWmxQQM

[moh1612]

The name McNamara sounds alot like Magnum

[scraps992]

"I'm uh, Gareth uh, Porter, and I uh, can't get uh, too many um, words out without having t-to um, stutter or uh, say 'uh' or something um, similar."

[JohnnyTruthSmaksHard]

They do not call it NAZI any longer for obvious reasons. The M.O. is the same! Answer me this...why is it that just about every single modern day technology that we use today...was developed by NAZIS, more than 60 years ago? Do not stop there, the people in control now are controlled by the same people. Nazis did not escape to South America....they brought their monies to North America and have controlled it ever since. Ask the Bush family about JFK, that's where it started!

[JohnnyTruthSmaksHard]

LBJ was a NAZI just like both Bushes and Obama!

[JohnnyTruthSmaksHard]

McNamarra was a stand up guy. Between LBJ & McNamarra...who benefited financially the most from the vietnam war? Ask yourself that!

[RadicalAwesomeness]

This is ridiculous. Blaming the advisers for the decisions of the president regarding Vietnam is like saying that Hitler wasn't directly and personally responsible for starting ww2 just because Goebbels and Goering also supported such a course of action.

[JohnnyTruthSmaksHard]

@RadicalAwesomeness That's why America is on the downward spiral now in 2010. Johnson, Nixon, Bushes, (both), and Obama. They are either NAZIS or are puppets of the NAZI puppet master. One or the other!

[RadicalAwesomeness]

@JohnnyTruthSmaksHard I thought everybody over there thought that Obama was a socialist. Now him being a nazi or controlled by nazis I find it a hard thing to belive.

[Renegen1]

great reporting Jay.

[zoticus1]

Vietnam was none of our business and we just made matters worse.This is parallel to Iraq and is directly responsive to the Post WW2 American domination mindset that believes a world superpower is a stabilizer for the world.This has not been true whatsoever.

[sugarpuddin88]

Donald Rumsfeld was one of McNamara's best friends!

In McNamara's own words, here he seems to be trying to tell the new president LBJ to get out of Vietnam:

watch?v=5FiKVcmNqOY&feature=re lated

[sugarpuddin88]

Once Diem & his brothers were assassinated by JFK, from that time on, it was probably inevitable that Washington would commit American combat forces to South Vietnam, although LBJ held back until March 1965

Four years later, it became clear that 550,000 US troops weren't helping

Americas domestic wounds for its involvement were 2nd only to its own civil war

(Today the Americans argue over CIA hit squads - They've never gotten their act together)

[Zakdayak]

Dynamite stuff on this one.

[Mahoivlich]

so someone finally staked the old bastard

[HappyTeacherESQ]

Fascinating!

[sansez]

McNamara was evil, i hope he burns in hell

Justice for USS Liberty

[moh1612]

@sansez But he was the whistleblower and admitted that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a "mistake" hence staged.

[moh1612]

@sansez Sorry to paraphrase he said the war on Vietnam was a "mistake" but admitted that the G.O.T incident was staged.

[moh1612]

@sansez Without McNamara's admission of guilt then the American people & the world would still be sitting with their thumb's up their asses, at least he admitted it and now we know. If you're talking about him being a traitor in the past then yes he was. It's just how people are.

[LODGE4444]

The only intelligent Palin supporter is her brassiere.

[JohnnyTruthSmaksHard]

@LODGE4444 ..LOL...actually, her TRUE supporter is her mouth on my cork!

[FREEW0RLD2012]

I didn't read ALL your comments no. I shouldn't have called you stupid without taking up my time to read EVERY comment you made. My ONLY mistake was ASSUMING you were stupid and calling you that. I am GLAD you know that the left-right paradigm was dead and buried a long time ago.

[jahguy7]

for a variety of complicated reasons, ha

[oldhacks]

the interview he gave in that documentary was a great release.

[cool70200]

So tragic, that humans/people who are different from each other [communist, capitalist, islamic, catholic, orthodox, christian, secular, socialist, different races, different classes, different nations] cant live amongst each other on this planet without trying to conquer, rob, kill and/or dominate other each other.

I guess peace among men itself is an illusion eh.

Its just a matter of which sides get into hostilities with each other in given times for questionable reasons, sigh.

[cool70200]

Powerful leaders disregarding truth and good judgement has and always will be very coslty.

Being in a position authority or power or being able to "get away" with something, sweeping something important under the rug, or with-holding important truth is always a costly venture, whether its for crime, war, price/economic manipulations etc..

We humans are too darn corrupt, hiding behind our guns, money, authority, power, rather than what is right or wrong.

[Buckhead1959]

I hope Robert is being bent over a rock by Satan right now..He;s screaming to Robert,"When I'm done I've got to do LBJ"!

[PASMdude]

Can't believe you posted this. The tapes of the phone calls between McNamara and LBJ planning the deception to a T August 3rd and 4th are available by googling cronkite tonkin and the first hit will be an NPR site where you can hear the tapes yourself.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Fantastic video, thank you the RealNews!

[flyhead2]

This rather dispells the image McNamara tried to paint of himself in 'The fog of war'. I wonder if he was truly contrite or if he merely wished to be remembered as something more than a mass-murdering beast.

[lovehaightorg]

You Say You Want a Revolution?

Fight Tyranny and the New World Order!

Vote Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, Dennis Kucinich in 2012!

Vote Rand Paul for Senate in 2010!

Watch "Terrorstorm" and "The Obama Deception!

[GalenLW]

Ventura maybe, Paul and Kucinich not so much, and the the Obama Deception is typical AJ (an irrational dose of paranoia).

[lovehaightorg]

and terrorstorm is nothing but historical facts

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

The Obama Deception is a piece of garbage.

You Paultards really need to stop spamming the RealNews' comment pages.

[PASMdude]

You Obamabots need professional cult deprogramming. Obama is Bush on steroids.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

I'm a Socialist and Obama is a pawn of capital. And Bush was already on steroids.

Try again.

[PASMdude]

The Obama Deception is about Obama being a tool of capital so why is it a piece of garbage? You had 500 characters to make your case as to why it is garbage and instead you expect us to read your mind.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

I didn't realise that I had to make a case as to why a piece of garbage is a piece of garbage.

Ok.

I would invite discerning YouTubers to watch the aforementioned piece of garbage until they've had enough, and to judge the populist conservative movement by it.

[PASMdude]

No you can gain SO MUCH RESPECT here on yt by throwing out your opinion and being unwilling or unable to back it up.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Thank you, dude. Earning your respect is important to me.

[PASMdude]

Ha! Funny!. Good luck in your future endeavors at becoming a political commentator on YT.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Young and naive, thought it was a good path?

How original.

Perhaps if you knew a little more than something, you would know that Socialism today is more alive as an ideology (as you call it) and widely more respected than flag-waving Reaganomics.

You should really keep up with the times.

[bnfox]

There is hardly a true socialist state that has ever existed - they are all hybrid states. It is distorted in much the same way as every capitalist system, which are also all hybrids.And contrasting socialism with "flagwaving Reaganomics" - what does that even mean? Socialism is a system and Reagonomics is a vague idea. Obviously you are sheeple and economic reality is too complex for you. You should keep up with the times, too - I'm in the 21st century and you are living in the 60s.

[trublu97]

Not true. Native american Indians and Caribbean Indians practiced a true collectivism and were by all accounts quite happy. They had no grasp of ownership and indeed had no word in their language for property.

Modern day socialism is more or less a front to steal money from the productive portion of the state and had it over to the government.

[mymojorisin]

All governments are bad and evil. All governments consolidate power in the hands of the few and take from the citizens of that state to support them and their friends.

All governments consider its own citizens as enemies of the state. The police are not used to keep order, they are used to suppress and control the citizens of that state.

Government Is Never Good And Never Ligament.

[trublu97]

Not sure they think of citizens as enemies. More like Cattle to exploit.

Government is needed to enforce the republic's laws. It just must be kept in check and its powers clearly limited. I think all of the last century was a used to convince the US citizens that gov is good and needed to solve problems. This is reiterated in schools and the media as they "saved us from the nazis", end the depression, saved us from the commies, etc, etc.

[bnfox]

For someone who purports to dislike dogmatists, you sure sound like one.BTW - if you haven't already checked it out, since you are interested in Socialism, I recommend reading about the logical extension - Geonomics (maybe read Henry George: Progress and Poverty) Well been fun sparring - all in good fun - but alas must move on.Perhaps we will cross paths again.

[mymojorisin]

Socialism is alive and well. Take a look at all the socialist countries in the world that have been and still are working just fine. Here are a few that I can think of right off the top of my head. China Cuba Laos North Korea Vietnam Bangladesh Egypt India Libya Portugal Sri Lanka Syria Tanzania

[Renegen1]

You're an idiot. From a quick bird's eye from what I know only I can spot many of those countries who are not socialist, whatever that means. China, India, Vietnam, Syria, Egypt.

[mymojorisin]

LOL look at you all educated. You need to study your government structures. Take a look at any encyclopedia at the countries in question and tell me what it says for their government. Let me give you a hint the communism is a brand of socialism.

[elbowbiter1]

Dear Marq, Yes, it would be nice to see nothing but centrists and mainstreamers on here. The opinions of the fringe are too foreign and offensive for the rest of us sensible people. Now kids always brush your teeth. Study hard and stay in school. And remember, get out and vote because if you don't vote for the best capitalist shill your country will go to the pinko commie left or the fascist right. Remember you can't change by doing anything new so attack the radical.

Love,

Biter

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Let me offer a candid reply to your sarcastic comment:

I don't have as much of a problem with centrists or right-wingers as I do with dogmatists of all political stripes. I also have a problem with Paultards flooding the RealNews' pages with comments often unrelated to what is being discussed in the videos.

Sincerely,

Marquis

[bnfox]

I would rather have the so-called "paultards" than the Neo-con fucktards who post on every youtube whipping out every single soundbite from the last two years of Fox news or the frickin Obamatons who mostly have no idea what his actual appointments and policies are and follow him blindly. There is very little substantial difference between Bush and Obama and yet their supporters hate each other...and deserve each other. The left-Right paradigm is dead. BTW - Ron Paul in 2012!

[micahgee]

good point!

Ron Paul rocks!!!

Obama's policies are Bush's, with a friendlier face

[Hierophant2]

exactly

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

The fact that you seem to identify Obama with the Left speaks volumes of your political awareness.

[PASMdude]

Centrist and main streamers keep sucking up the rhetoric of the false left/right paradigm and when nothing seems to change they make excuses as to why party X did not make the changes they promised. Democrats have the presidency, the house, and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. They can deliver every promise they have been making for decades and yet the wars continue. Single payer is off the table. Impeaching the Neocons is off the table. What excuses are you willing to make for them?

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Dude, quit stalking me.

[PASMdude]

Dude quit interrupting the movie I am trying to watch on Netflix by making comments that only waste my time.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

The stalker has friends.

[elbowbiter1]

Dear PASM, Sometimes when I type stuff the meaning isn't front and centre. You'll have to forgive me for not making my case plainly. Sometimes when the front door is out of business you gotta use the back door (I learned that in "The Joy of Sex" found in great book stores everywhere). I make no apologies for politicians nor would I piss on one to put out a fire. However, I would gladly blame folk like you or myself or Marq for participating in a broken system.

Love

Biter.