Ur absolutely right I wish my grandfather would have shot the bloodthirsty coward who was responsible for thousands Irish deaths. when we needed the cunt he hid like a rat in America
From 1st to last a blight on Irish history. Pity the great Michael Collins didn't shoot the useless, selfish bastard when he stepped off the boat back from America.
@Anan7777 Oh but he did. Ireland had a pact with Nazi Germany from 1937 and followed nazi policy. In fact the head of the irish catholic church openly supported the final solution. The ROI rejected and sent away many,many thousands of Jewish refugees during WW2 and had set up an escape route for nazi war criminals in 1945. The Hunt museum in Limerick, founded by nazis, has looted treasure on display!
@MrMickroach As i have told you several times i am not Irish,i was not born during the second world war and i am an athiest,De Valera was wrong to send condolencies on the death of Hitler.I said he had nothing to do with the Holocaust,you are claiming he took an active part in it?Considering the vast majority of murders took place in Eastern Europe,in secrecy,that is abit of a stretch no?
As for the press making a fuss over Rings comments,what do you expect?They have papers to sell.
@Anan7777 If you are not Irish, why do you drool over their perfidious and odious past?
Your religious views are your own.
By his and the irish catholic churchs tacit approval of the final solution, Ireland gave some interntional credence to it and after the war, by hiding those responsible it showed solidarity. As for TD Ring, bloody good show is what I say! What a man
@MrMickroach I am not drooling over anything.De Valera would have known nothing about the Holocaust while it was happening,he would have known a little when he sent his condolencies,like i said i think he was wrong to do so.I am not going to argue with you about the Catholic church,there was / still is so much wrong with that institution i wouldn't know were to start.
makeup/b stop talking shite.i hate people that answer their own coments!your obviously not irish but a hun /or/ hun wantabe.dev was and still is a hero to us irish people.but without dev would we irish agree all the time?he stirred up argumentation which we needed!ask any real irishman and he will tell you ,,,all irish hate the crown,i think that goes without saying!!!!!
@MakeupByHayley That is a lie. He sent condolences on Hitler's death because he was a head of state. If he supported the holocoast why did he recieve a forrest dedicated to him in jerusalum.
Please present this simple question to your ill informed teacher. ''Show me some evidence that De Valera was ''happy about the holocaust''. Then present your teacher with the facts of the De Valera forest in Israel. Your teacher is doing a great disservice to the youth of this Country and I urge you, for the sake of the minds of the next group of impressionable pupils, before your teacher poisons them too with lies, to make a complaint to the Head of your school IMMEDIATELY.
@MakeupByHayley De Valera never wrote any letter to the Nazis. Nor was he 'happy' about the holocaust though he did pay his condolences upon the death of Hitler which he later regretted. Your history teacher is a disgrace giving you false information like that. Shocking actually.
@MakeupByHayley I'm well over it pet! I suggest you delete your comment and then you will not have to put up with responses from awful people like me. But then you don't give a f**k about my opinions...
@jratt2 The irish Government colluded with nazi germany..it was the only country in the world to send a letter of condolence when Hitler died and it even opened a book of rememberance for him at Leinster. Also, Dev was a yank when he was born and a yank when he died....he never became an irish citizen. No hero he, he also is implicated in the murder of Michael Collins.
@MrMickroach De Valera visited the German Ambassador and apparently gave verbal condolences. There was no book or letter of condolence, certainly not at Leinster House! Dev was born in the US to an Irish Mother and therefore was automatically a subject of the Queen as his mother would have been. When the Irish constitution was written all UK subjects in Ireland automatically became Irish citizens. He is only implicated in the murder of Michael Collins in a hollywood movie!!!!
@MakeupByHayley Just ask him for evidence to back up such an idiotic claim,then ask him why De Valera has a forest of trees named after him in Israel.Your teacher is a disgrace.
@Anan7777 The forest is nothing more than a clump of trees. I have seen it and the dedication stone. I think you should ask who received money in 1946-1948 from the Stern and Irgun for support in killing the British in Palestine....Simon Weisenthal has that answers...Dev and the ROI have nothing to be proud of in the treatment of Jews, the slavish support for Hitler stands testamnet to that
@MrBigfatbloke Another clone MrMickRoach? Have you not humiliated yourself enough yet? Two things you havn't changed with your name though, you still cant spell Wiesenthal and you still don't seem to understand what neutral means.
@Anan7777 The only humiliation is that of the irish in their shame! And neutral is a word we know well, claimed by the ROI in WW2 while being the whore to Hitler.....so neutral they sent condolences on Hitlers death and opened a book of rememberance to him at Leinster. Oh I know what neutral means...
Ireland wasn't independent until April 1949, you are getting the fact wrong.
Eamon can be praised for certain political achievements, but he made mistakes that were clearly fatal.
Is therereally any truth to that about the TD's in Dail Eireann getting rich in the 1940's and 50's? The irish political club weren't very critical with the church promoting its own interests, not saying that nobody wasn't a christian. Just stating a fact.
@ocean3da Ireland was a protectorate only till 1949, get it right old son!
Devalera was a medndacious and odious creature with only his ego driving him, he cared nothing for Ireland nor its people, he was born a yank and died a yank! The fact is, all of the TDs until this very last one, have lined their pockets with teh ROIs money..the most blatant being charley heehaw
@poxrider If I had a bog head, I could be mistaken for a mick, we akk know that micks have huge cranial cavities, with nothing in them! Now best you trot along you spud faced mick!
@MrBigfatbloke You are one sad hate-filled arsewipe "me old son", you and your 'not much altered' alter ego Mr Cockroach. LoL I can't wait to see you having a conversation with yourself online, a very modern psychosis indeed.
Maybe you should ask the doc to increase the dose, just to keep things on an even keel. Good luck now Mick.
The civil war was a mistake, that was the mistake of the Irish political elite at the time, they should of just taken the oath to the British monarch. But in the end history would of been different.
Being the prime minister or any nation or president of any nation whether the job is powerful or powerless is a thankless and miserable job.
Yeah, but he only signed the Treaty because there would've been a full-on war against Britain if he didn't, and he knew the IRA couldn't hold out much longer. And even after he signed the treaty, he still had a British field marshal assasinated over what was happening in the North, was sending men and guns up North and planning to invade it, and finally get the Brits out. But then he got killed, and the Free State went in a "more-British-than-the-British" direction, and that was the end of that.
I don't believe de Valera had anything to do with Collins' assassination. If you ask me, I'd say it was some boyo all gung ho for getting a big fish. in my opinion.
@Anan7777 What about TD Micael Ring in Mayo? He says that the ROI shouild apologise to the Queen for making a mess of Ireland and ask to be taken back into the family! What a man!
@Doniedaff You asked me a question and i answered you,i was a little curt with you and probably shouldn't have been. The conversation i was having with the moronic bigot mrmickroach was not with you,and the only reason its here is because he decided to follow me round several videos posting complete drivel. Feel free to mark it as spam if you want.
@Doniedaff I also see i did ask you a question a few pages back,that was a response to this in the post at the top of the comments "On deValera, well the Ireland he presided over was nothing to be proud of." The question still stands
@Doniedaff I'm sorry, I can't agree with you, without de Valera there wouldn't be a republican movement as we know it today. Yes, he made some wrong decisions, but don't we all?
He didn't know the first thing about freedom. A backward thinking daydreamer who was nothing but a puppet for the church. If people like him were in power today, we'd still be a repressed backwater where people couldn't do anything that the church didn't approve of. It really would be an awful depressing place to live. Thank god we've moved away from the sort of stone age shithole that fools like Dev wanted us to live in.
History is history, as someone who is of irish descentdant, I'd prefere if England was a republic of it's own. I'm not interested in Ulster, either a united country or a nation of it's own.
I learnd by doing politics, that to send another one to do the owen work could go very wrong. May that was Devs mistake. or it was his mistake to trust Collins.
It was only after i read my own history of what really happened that i learned to despise De valera he had dozens of IRA men hanged for know other reason than they were Republicans, a disgrace to Irish history!!!
@phoenix1916 - The IRA were ordered to dump arms by De Valera, and some of them refused. If you look what is happening in 2010 it's the same thing with any groups not on ceasefire who may have been former Republican comrades of the current Sinn Fein. They are regarded as public enemies, even my Adams and McGuinness. Time and history march on and it should be noted that no Irish Leader, either politician or military man, has so far ever managed to end partition
@deccon16 Just to add about Collins being a threat in 1921. Do you not think that is exactly how it should have been? Devalera in London and Collins and the IRA waiting in the wings? Llloyd George must have though it was Xmas when Collins walked in the door. The whole muscle thing was gone. Collins should never have went anywhere near London, and then the cheek of Devalera to say the Republic was sold?
@capetown99 - Hi Capetown. I guess it depends on your take on the events of the time, You could read a hundred books and they probably would divide just as much as The Treaty. Coming from a family which was both anti treat and pro, I've grown up with all the arugements. I base a lot on Cathal Brugha's reaction when he seen The Treat terms and his remark that the negotiators "should have been shot as they got off the boat in Dun Laoghaire". That suggests that the cabinet in Dublin didn't....
@capetown99 ....know what was coming. It has to be remembered as well, that Erskine Childers was reporting back to De Valera secretly, but was excluded from the negotiations a quarter of the way through. Most anti Treaty people of the time, that I have spoken to just couldn't accept an oath to the King . I think the political power from the Irish side in London at the time was Arthur Griffth, and I think he took the view that the terms agreed were acceptable. In that respect I think......
@capetown99 -....Michael Collins was a victim of circumstance and history combined. De Valera, on coming to power, took the Treaty apart - which I don't think WT Cosgrave would have done - as well as rewriting the Constitution. The IRA, in the event of an acceptable settlement being reached, would have had to disband, so either way any of them which would have refused to surrender arms would have regarded Mick Collins in just the same way as they would have regarded De Valera.........
@capetown99 .......the sticking point will always be that the negoiators were under orders to report back to Dublin for final approval, which they didn't do. In a sense that was their way out of the situation - to bounce it back to the cabinet in Dublin. But I think Griffith exerted a lot of influence once he got away from Dev and the Government. My mother always said there were no villans only heros, and I would agree with that. I think they all wanted what was best for Ireland, but were..
I think so too. In 2010 its easy to say Griffith should have done this or Childers should have done that. But we wernt there and as you say they just wanted the best for Ireland.
@deccon16 Dev consistenly failed republicans he sent Collins to sign the trety knowing rightly he hadnt the balls to do it, he ditched the north and its peope, SF is still strong here we still want an end to partition, not mealy mouthed words!!
He doesnt kill Collins so far I know. In the film I saw, it was not histery doco but with Alan Rickman and Liam Neson, he doenst know about the plans of the young men who saw themself in his tradition. He was depremated that Collins and he changed and all endet up in war. But Iam not irish, Iam german and I don`t know so much about irish history.
Of course he wasnt in Downing St. He met Lloyd George once and never went back. Why? Becuase he knew there was gonna be a 32 Co. Republic.
So instead he sends Collins. The Britsh then knew who Collins was. Who was Dev to criticise Collins about the Treaty after Collins IRA Command during the Tan war 1919-1921 while Dev Valera was in jail /USA? Do you think the IRA could have continued against the British? They had a couple of weeks of ammo left.
@capetown99 In order to keep everyone on side it was necessary to send Collins - to demystify him . In the event of a settlement the Government couldn't have any shadowy figures and in that instance Mick Collins could have been a threat as he still led the IRA. You see something like it with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness - if the political wing and the military wing split it's a total disaster.
@deccon16 . Dev met Lloyd George and then never went back. He was smart, he knew there wasnt gonna be a Republic so didnt want his name on the paper. I dont think its accurate to mention Collins with Adams etc today. In 1921 the British hadn't a clue who Collins was. ( The British met Adams and McGuinness in Downing St. 1972) Dev could have used Collins-IRA as a threat to Llloyd George but all that was lost when Collins had to go.
De Valera sent Collins to sign the Treaty knowing that he could not render a better deal, then he called Collins a traitor for doing his own work, Collins was a military man, Dev was the politician, however the most important decision to make, he didnt turn up, strange aint it???
Ur absolutely right I wish my grandfather would have shot the bloodthirsty coward who was responsible for thousands Irish deaths. when we needed the cunt he hid like a rat in America
92LiamO 2 months ago
From 1st to last a blight on Irish history. Pity the great Michael Collins didn't shoot the useless, selfish bastard when he stepped off the boat back from America.
anthonylennon1 3 months ago
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anthonylennon1 3 months ago
Where can I get the song and its lyric? Thanks
SwissCap 4 months ago
eamon o cuiv for president
niallscouts 5 months ago 2
FUCK QUEEN LIZZY!!!
It would be an isult to Dev if she ever sets foot onto this island, while the British occupy 5 counties of it. FUCK U LIZZY!!!
themightycorkman 11 months ago
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Anan7777 1 year ago
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Anan7777 1 year ago
God rest your soul Eamon
Anan7777 1 year ago
Beautiful song.
bjr43 1 year ago
Valera mad a mistake by the holocaust, but later , he was a friend of Willy Brandt.
Snapessister26 1 year ago
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Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 Oh but he did. Ireland had a pact with Nazi Germany from 1937 and followed nazi policy. In fact the head of the irish catholic church openly supported the final solution. The ROI rejected and sent away many,many thousands of Jewish refugees during WW2 and had set up an escape route for nazi war criminals in 1945. The Hunt museum in Limerick, founded by nazis, has looted treasure on display!
MrMickroach 1 year ago
@MrMickroach As i have told you several times i am not Irish,i was not born during the second world war and i am an athiest,De Valera was wrong to send condolencies on the death of Hitler.I said he had nothing to do with the Holocaust,you are claiming he took an active part in it?Considering the vast majority of murders took place in Eastern Europe,in secrecy,that is abit of a stretch no?
As for the press making a fuss over Rings comments,what do you expect?They have papers to sell.
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 If you are not Irish, why do you drool over their perfidious and odious past?
Your religious views are your own.
By his and the irish catholic churchs tacit approval of the final solution, Ireland gave some interntional credence to it and after the war, by hiding those responsible it showed solidarity. As for TD Ring, bloody good show is what I say! What a man
MrMickroach 1 year ago
@MrMickroach I am not drooling over anything.De Valera would have known nothing about the Holocaust while it was happening,he would have known a little when he sent his condolencies,like i said i think he was wrong to do so.I am not going to argue with you about the Catholic church,there was / still is so much wrong with that institution i wouldn't know were to start.
Anan7777 1 year ago
even i don't know what to make him. Love or hate him i cannot deciede...
strange man de valera..
Bhouncer 1 year ago
makeup/b stop talking shite.i hate people that answer their own coments!your obviously not irish but a hun /or/ hun wantabe.dev was and still is a hero to us irish people.but without dev would we irish agree all the time?he stirred up argumentation which we needed!ask any real irishman and he will tell you ,,,all irish hate the crown,i think that goes without saying!!!!!
fedamorenc 1 year ago
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MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
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MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley That is a lie. He sent condolences on Hitler's death because he was a head of state. If he supported the holocoast why did he recieve a forrest dedicated to him in jerusalum.
godbrother10 1 year ago
@godbrother10 Well I just heard from my History Teacher that De Valera was happy about the Holocaust, I did not actually know if it was true or not..
MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley well he wasn't and there's no evidence he ever was.
godbrother10 1 year ago
@godbrother10 - I'd be very wary of your History Teacher. Read the history books for yourself.
deccon16 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley
Please present this simple question to your ill informed teacher. ''Show me some evidence that De Valera was ''happy about the holocaust''. Then present your teacher with the facts of the De Valera forest in Israel. Your teacher is doing a great disservice to the youth of this Country and I urge you, for the sake of the minds of the next group of impressionable pupils, before your teacher poisons them too with lies, to make a complaint to the Head of your school IMMEDIATELY.
marmaladekamikaze 1 year ago
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MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley
Maith an Buachaill!
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Maith an Buachaill
marmaladekamikaze 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley De Valera never wrote any letter to the Nazis. Nor was he 'happy' about the holocaust though he did pay his condolences upon the death of Hitler which he later regretted. Your history teacher is a disgrace giving you false information like that. Shocking actually.
jratt2 1 year ago
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MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley I'm well over it pet! I suggest you delete your comment and then you will not have to put up with responses from awful people like me. But then you don't give a f**k about my opinions...
jratt2 1 year ago
@jratt2 yep I dont give a ---- about your opinions, so I SUGGEST that you stop writing comments on a matter that was discussed months ago.
MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley I already have Hayley.
Have a nice day!
jratt2 1 year ago
@jratt2 Thank you, you too !
MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@jratt2 The irish Government colluded with nazi germany..it was the only country in the world to send a letter of condolence when Hitler died and it even opened a book of rememberance for him at Leinster. Also, Dev was a yank when he was born and a yank when he died....he never became an irish citizen. No hero he, he also is implicated in the murder of Michael Collins.
MrMickroach 1 year ago
@MrMickroach De Valera visited the German Ambassador and apparently gave verbal condolences. There was no book or letter of condolence, certainly not at Leinster House! Dev was born in the US to an Irish Mother and therefore was automatically a subject of the Queen as his mother would have been. When the Irish constitution was written all UK subjects in Ireland automatically became Irish citizens. He is only implicated in the murder of Michael Collins in a hollywood movie!!!!
jratt2 6 months ago
@jratt2 Finally someone who has read a book instead of beliving everything out of a film
cwc733 6 months ago
@MakeupByHayley Tell your history teacher he is a fucking liar,fucking scumbag piece of shit.
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 lol I will.
MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@MakeupByHayley Just ask him for evidence to back up such an idiotic claim,then ask him why De Valera has a forest of trees named after him in Israel.Your teacher is a disgrace.
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 Okay Thanks. I know thats why I dont do history anymore :P
MakeupByHayley 1 year ago
@Anan7777 The forest is nothing more than a clump of trees. I have seen it and the dedication stone. I think you should ask who received money in 1946-1948 from the Stern and Irgun for support in killing the British in Palestine....Simon Weisenthal has that answers...Dev and the ROI have nothing to be proud of in the treatment of Jews, the slavish support for Hitler stands testamnet to that
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke Another clone MrMickRoach? Have you not humiliated yourself enough yet? Two things you havn't changed with your name though, you still cant spell Wiesenthal and you still don't seem to understand what neutral means.
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 The only humiliation is that of the irish in their shame! And neutral is a word we know well, claimed by the ROI in WW2 while being the whore to Hitler.....so neutral they sent condolences on Hitlers death and opened a book of rememberance to him at Leinster. Oh I know what neutral means...
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke
Ireland wasn't independent until April 1949, you are getting the fact wrong.
Eamon can be praised for certain political achievements, but he made mistakes that were clearly fatal.
Is therereally any truth to that about the TD's in Dail Eireann getting rich in the 1940's and 50's? The irish political club weren't very critical with the church promoting its own interests, not saying that nobody wasn't a christian. Just stating a fact.
ocean3da 1 year ago
@ocean3da Ireland was a protectorate only till 1949, get it right old son!
Devalera was a medndacious and odious creature with only his ego driving him, he cared nothing for Ireland nor its people, he was born a yank and died a yank! The fact is, all of the TDs until this very last one, have lined their pockets with teh ROIs money..the most blatant being charley heehaw
MrBigfatbloke 1 year ago
@MrBigfatbloke
Shouldn't you be called MrBigFuckingHead hahahaha
poxrider 9 months ago
@MrBigfatbloke
Shouldn't you be called MrBigFuckingHead hahahaha me old son........or MrCockRoach??
poxrider 9 months ago
@poxrider If I had a bog head, I could be mistaken for a mick, we akk know that micks have huge cranial cavities, with nothing in them! Now best you trot along you spud faced mick!
MrBigfatbloke 9 months ago
@MrBigfatbloke You are one sad hate-filled arsewipe "me old son", you and your 'not much altered' alter ego Mr Cockroach. LoL I can't wait to see you having a conversation with yourself online, a very modern psychosis indeed.
Maybe you should ask the doc to increase the dose, just to keep things on an even keel. Good luck now Mick.
poxrider 9 months ago
@poxrider Not too sure what you are on, or whom you are writing about...but you appear to be on the sauce.Too much liffey juice is it?
MrBigfatbloke 9 months ago
@MrBigfatbloke
@poxrider HAve you been on the sauce? , it is obviousl to the meanest intelligence that you indeed are psychotic.
MrMickroach 12 hours ago
Now why does MrMickRoach mis-quote me "you indeed are psychotic"....is he answering for you now?
What a silly wanker you are MrBigfatcockroach, who dosen't know who he isn't. hahahahaha
poxrider 9 months ago
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Liffey juice induced paranoia! MrMickroach 21 minutes ago
Too much liffey juice is it? MrBigfatbloke 2 hours ago
HAve you been on the sauce? MrMickroach 12 hours ago
appear to be on the sauce MrBigfatbloke 2 hours ago
Must be lonely being a shit peddler on youtube. How many other sad 'personalities' are in that silly hate-filled head of yours MrBigfatcockroach??
poxrider 9 months ago
@MrBigfatbloke
What's keeping you MrBigfatcockroach? Are you argueing with yourself over who's turn it is to talk shite!
poxrider 9 months ago
@poxrider You have been on the sauce!
MrBigfatbloke 9 months ago
The song is entertaining.
ocean3da 1 year ago
The civil war was a mistake, that was the mistake of the Irish political elite at the time, they should of just taken the oath to the British monarch. But in the end history would of been different.
Being the prime minister or any nation or president of any nation whether the job is powerful or powerless is a thankless and miserable job.
ocean3da 1 year ago
What's this song called?
bjr43 1 year ago
Great song. I'm certain President Valera was a great Irish leader.
bjr43 1 year ago
@bjr43
You may be refering to him as prime minister, as president he was protector of the constitution. And met PM's and presidents.
ocean3da 1 year ago
How many republicans were hung under Devs rule?
TheCIARANMURPHY 2 years ago
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deeman1992 2 years ago
I think Collins was a legend before he signed that treaty were still stuck to today.
Dev though, hes some man for one man.
paddykkk 2 years ago
Yeah, but he only signed the Treaty because there would've been a full-on war against Britain if he didn't, and he knew the IRA couldn't hold out much longer. And even after he signed the treaty, he still had a British field marshal assasinated over what was happening in the North, was sending men and guns up North and planning to invade it, and finally get the Brits out. But then he got killed, and the Free State went in a "more-British-than-the-British" direction, and that was the end of that.
deeman1992 2 years ago
I don't believe de Valera had anything to do with Collins' assassination. If you ask me, I'd say it was some boyo all gung ho for getting a big fish. in my opinion.
heuningdrank 2 years ago 2
I've only heard this song sung by Athenrye before. Who does this version?
On deValera, well the Ireland he presided over was nothing to be proud of.
Waffling on about children dancing at the crossroads while people starved and were unemployed.
Not to mention executing republican prisoners and letting others die on hunger strikes.
Doniedaff 2 years ago
Sean Patrick McCarthy off of Jewel of the Village
godbrother10 2 years ago
@Doniedaff Better under the British was it?
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 What about TD Micael Ring in Mayo? He says that the ROI shouild apologise to the Queen for making a mess of Ireland and ask to be taken back into the family! What a man!
MrMickroach 1 year ago
@MrMickroach And you think Ring was being serious do you?
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 I watched his perfomance in the irish parliament and yes, he was being deadly serious.
MrMickroach 1 year ago
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Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777 And most of the Irish and american press. What a forward thinker!
MrMickroach 1 year ago
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@MrMickroach Ring is a rabble-rouser and his comments were not meant to be taken seriously.Only the bbc and you have managed that.
Anan7777 1 year ago
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Doniedaff 1 year ago
@Anan7777
Was there supposed to be a point here?
Doniedaff 1 year ago
@Doniedaff Was i talking to you?
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Anan7777
Considering that you replied to me, yes I think you were.
Doniedaff 1 year ago
@Doniedaff You asked me a question and i answered you,i was a little curt with you and probably shouldn't have been. The conversation i was having with the moronic bigot mrmickroach was not with you,and the only reason its here is because he decided to follow me round several videos posting complete drivel. Feel free to mark it as spam if you want.
Anan7777 1 year ago
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Anan7777 1 year ago
@Doniedaff I also see i did ask you a question a few pages back,that was a response to this in the post at the top of the comments "On deValera, well the Ireland he presided over was nothing to be proud of." The question still stands
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Doniedaff I also saw what you posted before you edited it.
Anan7777 1 year ago
@Doniedaff I'm sorry, I can't agree with you, without de Valera there wouldn't be a republican movement as we know it today. Yes, he made some wrong decisions, but don't we all?
A true freedom fighter.
davieh83 7 months ago
@davieh83
He didn't know the first thing about freedom. A backward thinking daydreamer who was nothing but a puppet for the church. If people like him were in power today, we'd still be a repressed backwater where people couldn't do anything that the church didn't approve of. It really would be an awful depressing place to live. Thank god we've moved away from the sort of stone age shithole that fools like Dev wanted us to live in.
Doniedaff 7 months ago
de valera is a hero the cheif is my hero
AshD224 2 years ago
DOWN THE NORTH UP THE RUPUBLIC
AshD224 2 years ago
shame on you.
"THE NORTH" is part of IRELAND as is "THE RUPUBLIC "
you are no admirer of Eamonn de Valera
your comment indicates that you are a west brit & a unionist.
Tá súil agam go bhfuil náire ort.
mangaire1 2 years ago
Those two sentences contradict each other you spastic. Republicans want the north. Ever hear of 26+6=1???
BoxingMadLad 2 years ago
@mangaire1
History is history, as someone who is of irish descentdant, I'd prefere if England was a republic of it's own. I'm not interested in Ulster, either a united country or a nation of it's own.
ocean3da 1 year ago
We dont want to do anything to the North.We want unification.
paddykkk 2 years ago
I learnd by doing politics, that to send another one to do the owen work could go very wrong. May that was Devs mistake. or it was his mistake to trust Collins.
Snapessister26 2 years ago
It was only after i read my own history of what really happened that i learned to despise De valera he had dozens of IRA men hanged for know other reason than they were Republicans, a disgrace to Irish history!!!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
@phoenix1916 - The IRA were ordered to dump arms by De Valera, and some of them refused. If you look what is happening in 2010 it's the same thing with any groups not on ceasefire who may have been former Republican comrades of the current Sinn Fein. They are regarded as public enemies, even my Adams and McGuinness. Time and history march on and it should be noted that no Irish Leader, either politician or military man, has so far ever managed to end partition
deccon16 1 year ago
@deccon16 Just to add about Collins being a threat in 1921. Do you not think that is exactly how it should have been? Devalera in London and Collins and the IRA waiting in the wings? Llloyd George must have though it was Xmas when Collins walked in the door. The whole muscle thing was gone. Collins should never have went anywhere near London, and then the cheek of Devalera to say the Republic was sold?
capetown99 1 year ago
@capetown99 - Hi Capetown. I guess it depends on your take on the events of the time, You could read a hundred books and they probably would divide just as much as The Treaty. Coming from a family which was both anti treat and pro, I've grown up with all the arugements. I base a lot on Cathal Brugha's reaction when he seen The Treat terms and his remark that the negotiators "should have been shot as they got off the boat in Dun Laoghaire". That suggests that the cabinet in Dublin didn't....
deccon16 1 year ago
@capetown99 ....know what was coming. It has to be remembered as well, that Erskine Childers was reporting back to De Valera secretly, but was excluded from the negotiations a quarter of the way through. Most anti Treaty people of the time, that I have spoken to just couldn't accept an oath to the King . I think the political power from the Irish side in London at the time was Arthur Griffth, and I think he took the view that the terms agreed were acceptable. In that respect I think......
deccon16 1 year ago
@capetown99 -....Michael Collins was a victim of circumstance and history combined. De Valera, on coming to power, took the Treaty apart - which I don't think WT Cosgrave would have done - as well as rewriting the Constitution. The IRA, in the event of an acceptable settlement being reached, would have had to disband, so either way any of them which would have refused to surrender arms would have regarded Mick Collins in just the same way as they would have regarded De Valera.........
deccon16 1 year ago
@capetown99 .......the sticking point will always be that the negoiators were under orders to report back to Dublin for final approval, which they didn't do. In a sense that was their way out of the situation - to bounce it back to the cabinet in Dublin. But I think Griffith exerted a lot of influence once he got away from Dev and the Government. My mother always said there were no villans only heros, and I would agree with that. I think they all wanted what was best for Ireland, but were..
deccon16 1 year ago
@capetown99 .....deeply divided on how to achieve it.
deccon16 1 year ago
@deccon16
I think so too. In 2010 its easy to say Griffith should have done this or Childers should have done that. But we wernt there and as you say they just wanted the best for Ireland.
capetown99 1 year ago
@deccon16 Dev consistenly failed republicans he sent Collins to sign the trety knowing rightly he hadnt the balls to do it, he ditched the north and its peope, SF is still strong here we still want an end to partition, not mealy mouthed words!!
phoenix1916 1 year ago
@phoenix1916 Anti-Protestant coward, you'll have to come out of you're home someday in rural Tyrone and you'll not be such a big man
WARISHELL09 1 year ago
He doesnt kill Collins so far I know. In the film I saw, it was not histery doco but with Alan Rickman and Liam Neson, he doenst know about the plans of the young men who saw themself in his tradition. He was depremated that Collins and he changed and all endet up in war. But Iam not irish, Iam german and I don`t know so much about irish history.
Snapessister26 3 years ago
hey god brother no need to give me a history lesson, sorry couldnt reply to ya but dont know how
darraghwigan 3 years ago
well go on then what's your evidence for why he killed collins other than the film Michael Collins.
godbrother10 3 years ago
he killed michael collins
darraghwigan 3 years ago
read a history book no he didn't.
godbrother10 3 years ago
@darraghwigan The IRA shot Michael Collins as he said they would when he signed the Treaty. "I am signing my actual death warrant"
deccon16 1 year ago
But who?s singing this song ? I was looking for songs fpor Dev a long time, didn`t find them.
Snapessister26 3 years ago
It's called De Valera by Sean Patrick McCarthy off of Jewel of the Village
godbrother10 3 years ago
One of the biggest irish heros.
Snapessister26 3 years ago
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dan1919breen 3 years ago
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dan1919breen 3 years ago
Was Dev in the Four Courts?
Was he in Downing St with Collins?
I cant remember.
Nice tune though.
capetown99 3 years ago
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dan1919breen 3 years ago
Of course he wasnt in Downing St. He met Lloyd George once and never went back. Why? Becuase he knew there was gonna be a 32 Co. Republic.
So instead he sends Collins. The Britsh then knew who Collins was. Who was Dev to criticise Collins about the Treaty after Collins IRA Command during the Tan war 1919-1921 while Dev Valera was in jail /USA? Do you think the IRA could have continued against the British? They had a couple of weeks of ammo left.
capetown99 3 years ago
@capetown99 In order to keep everyone on side it was necessary to send Collins - to demystify him . In the event of a settlement the Government couldn't have any shadowy figures and in that instance Mick Collins could have been a threat as he still led the IRA. You see something like it with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness - if the political wing and the military wing split it's a total disaster.
deccon16 1 year ago
@deccon16 . Dev met Lloyd George and then never went back. He was smart, he knew there wasnt gonna be a Republic so didnt want his name on the paper. I dont think its accurate to mention Collins with Adams etc today. In 1921 the British hadn't a clue who Collins was. ( The British met Adams and McGuinness in Downing St. 1972) Dev could have used Collins-IRA as a threat to Llloyd George but all that was lost when Collins had to go.
capetown99 1 year ago
He was in Downing Street, but not with Collins. He wasn't in the Four Courts.
methenium 3 years ago
De Valera sent Collins to sign the Treaty knowing that he could not render a better deal, then he called Collins a traitor for doing his own work, Collins was a military man, Dev was the politician, however the most important decision to make, he didnt turn up, strange aint it???
phoenix1916 2 years ago
He didnt turn up because he had to pledge his alliegence to the King and what Republican in their right mind would do that?
Oh yeah...Collins.
paddykkk 2 years ago
Great tribute to a great political figure in 20th century Ireland
chantdelouve 3 years ago