Atari ST VS Amiga - Turrican Soundtrack Battle

[porcorosso81]

The most stupid argument from ST fanboys is the "Paula uses digital samples" argument. Well, guess what, the AY chip also generates digital samples: 1 bit square waves with 50% duty cycle and a LFSR for a 1 bit digital noise pattern. Those kind of sounds can be easily emulated on the Amiga. Even more: the AY has only 4 bit volume register (16 levels) for envelopes, while Paula has 6 bit (64 levels). Plus, one Paula voice may be 28khz, but the mixing rate between all 4 voices is 3.58 Mhz.

[Robertdub2006]

The amiga sounds awesome, even with newer technology from today, they couldnt improve the amiga version by much, it sound is haunting, as of all turrican soundtracks by chris h, The atari does sound like a gameboy / spectrum and well behind the times of the amiga, the bass instruments sound like distorted 50 pence headphones on the st

[ArmandJordaan]

Atari wins hands down, because the most is made of very limited hardware. Amiga should have been much better with its hardware advantages.

[GBWPawel]

A M I G A W I N S

[petsasjim1]

THE REAL ANSWER IS AMIGA BEST QUALITY VERY NICE SOUNDTRACK (PAULA) BUT ATARI VERY BEST FOR RYTHM (ALTHOUGH LOW QUALITY BUT WONDERFULL).I THINK "THERE ISNT" BEST SONG HERE.(OF COURSE,ESPECIALLY FOR CHIP SOUND LOVERS,ATARI ST IS BETTER HERE)

[passer875]

hahahahahahahahha bazz303, it's fun this old computer war, but amiga it's the best in any way.......

[ricardo0123]

is there any doubt?

amiga plays real digital sounds, atari only have memory to do sintetized samples, it sounds like spectrum 128k

[2DFlightSim]

Atari all the way with this one I think. I do like the original on the amiga, but those low quality samples used in mods sound really dated, whereas the ataris raw sine, square & noise waves still sound fresh. Great conversion.

[ErnietheRunner]

AMIGA CLEARLY WINS THIS ONE

[SoanosBarcoded]

And Amiga wins, yet again.

[weaselfierce]

ANd they both make PC's of the time sound like tiny robots crying out in despair :)

[SarahKreuz78]

@weaselfierce XD

[darkychao]

@weaselfierce ??? Adlib had been out for 3 years by that time (same for MT-32, for what that's worth ;)), soundblaster for a year already. (earlier still you had PCjr and Tandy audio, though the SN sound chip was a bit weaker than the ST's AY chip too though only a few games got Tandy sound before Adlib came out, the other issue was lack of really good PC game composers -PC support sucked in Europe and nonexistent in Japan, so there goes most of the best game music talent of the time :p )

[CosinusPW]

I must say I prefer the Atari ST version, the AY sounds are nostalgic to me, charming. The Amiga version doesn't give you headaches after listening for a long time though. ;) :)

[TubeDestroyer2010]

ShiT

[tommyjones1978]

AMIGA POWER!!!!

[mulder3035]

Nice video - Have to say,the AMIGA version sounds much better.The ST sounds like a spectrum 128k (understandable,they both have AY chips).Having said that,they are both brilliant musicians - Jochen Hippel made some of my fave AMIGA music tracks (chambers & 7gates of jambala).However ,i still think the commodore 64 claims the crown for classic tunes and musicians - It was simply a great era of video game music - Much better than the bland/generic pap in games today.

[helldog3105]

I think they both sound good, but for different reasons. If I had to choose a superior version I would say the sounds are better on the Amiga version. The Paula chip did 4 channels in 8-bit at 22KHz which is why it sounds fuzzy today. What's interesting is that the Paula really could do a higher bitrate apparently but was limited. It could also do as high an audio resolution as 14-bit if you did some jiggery-pokey. Both are cool machines for their time.

[HypnoToad72]

The Amiga version is clearly better. The ST version sounds like a lot of bleeps made on an 800XL Pokey audio chip. Amiga's sounds more more fluid synth.

[ardakaraduman]

apples and oranges ...

[buzzboxed]

we have 2011 atari sounds more interesting than amiga nowdays because paula was always using samples...16kHz i think...pretty low...

[HarikenRed1]

@buzzboxed Paula's maximum sampling rate is 28.8kHz per channel in DMA transfer mode, not 16kHz as you pretend (in comparison SNES is 32kHz)

In many games, samples used for the music have quite low sampling rates (below 20kHz) for two reasons: smaller samples to save RAM, and to be able to tune them to higher pitch.

BTW, level's music of Turrican 2 are 4-channel MODs only. The 7-channel TFMX tunes are only during the introduction (main theme) and ending, unlike some people here are thinking...

[bazz303]

the amigamix is horrible, one sample is way too dominant so the rest is muted.

atarimix is way better, clearer.

now we have to decide:

4 channel samples

vs

3 channel chiptune

since its WAY more difficult to replay a 4 channel song with only 3 channels, atari is the winner here.

[richardmaudsley77]

@bazz303 Fuck me, the stockholm syndrome is strong with you.

[bazz303]

@richardmaudsley77

where to meet you. i always wanted a swedish girl.

[SarahKreuz78]

@bazz303 It`s 7 Voices in the Amiga-Turrican II. (that`s why the drums aren`t so dominant) But anyways, if you like the ST-Sound I`m fine with it. :) Differrent people,different opinions.

[JasperAbraxxious]

@bazz303 - No offence mate, but you need your hearing checked. :) The ST version sounds like a cash register beeping!

[bazz303]

@JasperAbraxxious whats cooler? a 7 channel tracked tune with sampled synths and copy&paste or <- THIS emulated on 3 channel chipsound? i prefer the chipsound.

[hankillo1]

@bazz303 jajajajajajajajajajaajajajajaj­ajaaajajaajajaajajaajajaaja, you must be deaf or something .pffff

[bazz303]

@hankillo1 and you must have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

[TCDruid]

@bazz303 I would check that ear infection of yours before it spreads.

[hankillo1]

@bazz303 jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja­jajaajajajaajjajajaajajjajajaj­ajaajajajajajajajaj TROLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!You are so idiot and deaf of course

[bazz303]

@hankillo1 you spanish jajajaja psychos scare me. so i wont reply. oh wait...

[flibblesan]

Personally I prefer the Atari ST version as it sounds better mixed. The Amiga version just sounds weird with the stereo split. A common problem with almost all Amiga game musics (listen to it with headphones on.. it doesn't sound right).

[RetroKki]

@flibblesan

Reason was Amiga Audio chip (called Paula) had four 8-bit sample channels and two of them are mixed into left, and two mixed into right...

[HypnoToad72]

@flibblesan - I do agree that Amiga+headphones = weird, but with actual speakers the Amiga version feels like it has more depth.

[SarahKreuz78]

@fredmooretwo Yes,it does. But there can only be one... XD *Orchestra fades in*

[RetroKki]

As painful as it is, as Atari ST sounchip music fan I have to say that Amiga version just sounded still better. Jochen Hippel did absolutely fantastic job with ST conversion, but Chris Huelsbeck did even more amazing job on amiga...

[SarahKreuz78]

@RetroKki Haven`t expected such a candour statement straight from a ST-User. You,sir, deserve the Gold-Medal for this comment, that`s for sure. X)

[RetroKki]

@SarahKreuz78

Can't deny the facts ;) Besides I was well familiar with Huelsbeck musics before my Atari ST times :) For example his tune Shades on C-64 is good one...

[CUR50R]

4 sure huelsbeck wins this bout.. GO GO CHIPPIE, GO!!!

[AnalogX64]

I think which ever system you owned at the time wins. The sounds that a system produced at the time was unique to the system and now nostalgic factor will have a lot to do with. I have both systems, but the Amiga was my favourite.

[SarahKreuz78]

@AnalogX64 Damn right, the nostalgic Factor overwhelmes objectivity. But this over here (and all forthcoming "Battles",if there will be any) are most evenhanded. (I`m 100% Amiga, but still there will be Battles "she" can`t win at all...)

[unleadedlogic]

Awesome video! Amiga wins hand down.

[SarahKreuz78]

@unleadedlogic Yay! X) *Go and visit unleadedlogic`s Channel,folks. He has tons of interesting Videos. Not a boring shit like this one over here. XD XD XD*

[radioparalax]

Oh well...what's to say about that? Every system has his right to exist. ;-)

[SarahKreuz78]

@radioparalax Genau ! Mit viel wohlwollen wollen wir auch mal dem ST dieses Recht zu existieren gönnen. Haha XD

Just kidding...

[cupididi]

super mukke ;)

[DDGreyfox]

although Jochen Hippel has done an exceptional job recreating the Amiga Original..Chris Huelsbeck was the only man to make Turrican sing like an angel ;)

Amiga wins this one out.

[SarahKreuz78]

@DDGreyfox "Sing like an Angel"...that`s the perfect description,yeah.

[ShiryuGL]

AMIGA!

[SarahKreuz78]

@ShiryuGL o siento, no hablo español ! X^)