@ssn708 you actually have a good point, i dont think he meant to "shoot" him either, but in saying that i still think that for one a "gun" and a "taser" feel different enough to notice, and also even though the officer did shoot him i dont think he was "devistated" by it.
No thanks, but wouldn't mind if you said "pop" and pulled your head out of your ass. The officer felt he and the others were in danger, he was there and reacted accordingly to insure their safety. Grant's noncompliance is what forced the shooting, nothing else. Just for educational purposes, a shooter is just as deadly from the prone or supine position as the officer is from the Weaver. The kid's actions forced the officer's reaction. If you want to debate this, feel free, but come with facts.
What the hell is fucking wrong with them screw the bickering crap , damned pig shot him when he opposed no threat cut in dry ! Nothing that happend before that is erelveant to the simple fact that it was in know way neccessary to shoot him ! The bullshit tazer excuse is sad , theres a variety of facts that seperate the two , he would be better off cliaming that he was just mently retarded with all respect to those who do suffer from this !
this may get pirone somewhat off the hook, but that doesnt mean Grant deserved to die, or was not murdered by an officer of the law. also there is more footage of pirone doing shit to Grant that is assault, this clip doesnt show the whole thing, only what they want you to see. remember that. we need to stand together and fight for our rights or we wont have any for much longer. this is a growing trend in the police force, make an example of it not an excuse.
@jrowe6 Pirone kicks him when he stands up, after being repeatedly ordered to remain seated (after Grant assaulted 2 officers). Grant did not deserve to die, and Mehserle was criminally negligent. It was an accident, NOT a murder. Mehserle still absolutely deserves prison.
This entire thing was handled very badly by the officers, escalating an already bad situation. They should have either calmed the men down and left, or arrested them, not created this circus and a very tense situation for everyone involved.
But I definitely agree that Pirone did not punch him. I don't see any serious crimes by any of the officers other than Mehserle in any of these videos, just some very bad decisions that created a scenario would something could easily go as wrong as it did.
@hahayouknowme33 If they wanted to murder him, the officer wouldn't have retreated and drew his weapon, he would have stayed saddled on his back and put the muzzle right in the back of his head. Instead he retreated, yelled for him to stop, then fired an immobilizing shot into his back that ricocheted off the floor and back up into his chest.
@CaptAdams35 Very well said and very true! Like he would stand up and give everyone a better view! He would have stayed crouched and shot him if his intention was to execute him. He also would have never shot at that angle downward against a hard surface intentionally, anyone who has fired a gun would know that the ricochet could hit you and kill you (or the other officers standing right there!). It was proven Mehserle intended to fire his taser, not his gun.
@sensaybooo He certainly should not have been shot. Mehserle intended to tase, not shoot. Also, they had no way of knowing if Grant was armed, they had not had the chance to search any of them yet.
I gotta rofl at these two morons commenting here. captadams35 you are just one of these pigs that use unnecessary force arnt ya, no reason to pull your firearm on an unarmed man who is restrained face down on the ground, there is no argument to that one way or another. SSN708, only a fucking moron rookie would mistake his pistol for his taser. If you cant tell the difference between the two or cant handle your weapon, you shouldn't be carrying one.
@mjewell122 Only a moron rookie? And you would know because you have been in the same situation so many times? And by the way, 8 other officers have made the exact same mistake that I am aware of, likely many many more. You call people with actual facts to back them up morons while not knowing what you are talking about in the least. That would be the definition of ignorance.
@mjewell122 Everything I have said is verifiable fact, and with your language and debating skills, it is you who are embarrassing yourself with your pathetic bullshit. If you were in a similar situation as the officer, you would have pissed yourself and run home to momma. So please, give it up.
@ssn708 just cant take a piece of good advice can you. Go ahead and keep making yourself look and sound like a fool. I will just sit and lol at you more.
@mjewell122 Since I am the one sticking to proven facts, I am the one rightfully laughing at you. You just aren't bright enough to realize that. So keep embarrassing yourself, you're doing a really great job so far!
@ssn708 the only proven fact in this case is the shooting of a restrained unarmed man in the back, what you are going on is the testimony that he did it on accident, and if that is the case, then it would show he doesn't know the difference between a taser and a pistol. If he cant distinguish between the two before discharging one. then he shouldn't be using them. And you defending it is only making you look ignorant.
@mjewell122 I am going on proven fact combined with common sense. Mehserle shouted "Fuck this I'm tasing him" to which Grant yelled "Don't tase me". Facts. No one would stand directly above the point of impact and fire a .40 cal downward, that's suicidal.That's a fact. No one would execute someone in front of dozens of witnesses. That's common sense. 8 other cops have made the exact same mistake, confusing a taser and a gun. Defending the truth is not ignorant. Saying this is murder is ignorant.
@mjewell122 This being an accidental shooting is actually a proven fact. His stance, demeanor, distance to target, reaction, proximity to other officers prove that this was not an intentional shooting (as was testified to by numerous firearms experts who know much more about this than either of us). Mehserle fired into a non-vital area of Grants back, not somewhere you would shoot to "execute" someone. Had it not been for the ricochet the gunshot would not have been lethal.
@mjewell122 You are the one that believes that sitting at home on Youtube, you know more than the experts who investigated the case and the jury who heard all of the evidence, watched all of the videos, heard all of the testimony, and know a hell of a lot more about what happened than you ever will. That makes YOU the idiot, pal.
I have contacted KTVU, the station that ran a story showing the "other" video, and several police officers saying that Pirone punched Grant in the face and committed a crime by punching him. Even after informing KTVU today (7/29/10) of this video proving that Pirone did not strike Grant in the face, and asking for a retraction, the response I received was "Thank you for your note. We stand behind our story". They stand behind a LIE!!! Contact KTVU and demand they air a retraction!
@moef51 If you're going to "execute" someone, you either line them up and blindfold them, or you sneak up behind them and shoot them at the base of the skull. You don't wrestle with them trying to search them THEN shoot them in the back. Come on and get a clue already, Moef, I have faith in you.
@CaptAdams35 All I was saying was the police officers intentions looked as if he wanted to kill Oscar Grant. Execution is execution there are many ways to execute someone because the meaning of the word execute in the sense of killing someone is: to murder, to assassinate, to kill, or put to death. Fuck faith there is no need for it when you know
@moef51 I think it was more "FATE" than anything else. That was a one in a million shot for it to go through his lower back and ricochet back up into his heart. Some will call it a freak accident, but I think it is divine intervention. We'll see how it all plays out.
@moef51 There was nothing that looked like execution. Execution would have been if he pressed the gun into him and fired. No one would fire a .40 cal at that range at that angle downward at a hard surface. Mehserle intended to tase Grant. Grant was shot in the LOWER back, where you would fire a taser, not a gun intending to kill someone. It would have been non-fatal, but the bullet ricocheted and went through his lung. Accident, not execution.
@moef51 What I saw was a fight, officers responding, chaos on the platform, officers broke it up and separated them, officers started checking for weapons, everyone complied until they got to Grant, took officers to get him to lay down to be searched, he jerked his arm away and moved it towards his jacket, Meserhle retreated and fired a round into his lower back, then they took control of him again and cuffed him (only 1 out of the 4 videos actually shows that, the others are cut off prior)
@CaptAdams35 Are you suggesting that they cuffed Grant prior to the shooting? That seemed to be what you were sayiing in your last post, but Grant was not cuffed before the shooting. There is some disagreement as to whether they cuffed him afterwards.
@ssn708 No, no one was handcuffed prior to the shooting. The officers were merely interviewing them to find out what was going on. It wasn't until Grant became combative and pulled his arm away from Meserhle that he was shot, THEN cuffed, and searched.
@CaptAdams35 Actually, two of the suspects were handcuffed prior to the shooting, Grant and the other suspect were not. It took the cops about 5 seconds to cuff the other two suspects, because they complied. Notice how they lived. Funny how that works, huh? So tragic, both could be home with their families tonight. Now one is dead, the other in prison for 3-14 years, all over some bullshit on New Years Eve.
@ssn708 I thought they were just sitting against the wall with their hands down to their sides as instructed. Makes you wonder why Grant would resist being searched since he had just gotten out of jail weeks earlier after being caught with a gun and trying to run and resist police. Not a very smart choice, whether he was shot or not. I pulled stats on a 1 mile radius around the Fruitvale Station and they averaged 11 violent crimes there a day prior to the shooting. Talk about a shithole.
@ssn708 I think when the citizens have had enough, they'll stand up to these morons that are running their streets and neighborhoods into the ground. I noticed Grant's father didn't have much to say. Maybe he didn't care or maybe he expected it to happen sooner or later. I think Meserhle got involuntary manslaughter, 2-4 years is the max here. I'm still trying to figure out how this got turned into a race issue, other than the media (tv and print) reporting recklessly.
@CaptAdams35 Actually, there were two charges Mehserle was convicted of. Involuntary manslaughter carries 2-4 years. Use of a gun when committing a felony carries 3-10 if I am not mistaken. If he gets the minimum on both, he serves 3 years if the sentances run concurrently. If he gets the max on both to be served consecutively, he will get 14. I agree, the race issue is BS. This was not racially motivated. It was a mistake. A criminally negligent one, but a mistake regardless of race.
That's great how all these "experts" Monday night quarterback an intense escalating situation. Just remember, if you were not there that night and you don't put your life at risk on a daily bases to keep neighborhoods safe, you are probabaly not the expert you think you are.
@THETRUTHNINJA Let them keep venting, it makes them feel justified in their ignorance. There's a reason they're computer quarterbacking and not running things in the really real world.
@chevybio229 He shot him because he feared he had a gun. You could plainly hear him yelling at his fellow officer that was at Grant's head and shoulders. He screamed "Gun! Gun!" then retreated and drew his weapon then fired an immobilizing shot into his lower back (which ricocheted off the platform and back up into his lungs). As it turned out he was NOT going for a gun, but trying to escape to ditch the drugs he had on him. He told his friends he was not going back to prison.
Oscar Grant is a thug, plain and simple. He wasn't fighting on New Years, being drunk and was instead at home with his girlfriend and his young daughter he would still be alive. Looks like there were a lot of people causing trouble that night by the amount of police presence, and if you have taken Bart, you know thugs that are from Richmond/Oakland, California will start fights with you for "NO" reason, even if they are sober.
I hope the police officer goes FREE, I will be laughing at RIOTS
Pironi's actions here are questionable. Those of the officer who drew his gun and executed Grant Gestapo-style are not; no amount of after-the-fact analysis could come to any other conclusion than that he willfully killed a man who was at that point incapable of causing harm to anyone on the scene.
Oscar Grant was NOT handcuffed. I've interviewed his friends who were with him. They all said Grant wasn't handcuffed when he was shot. Even his family attorney said that. KTVU apologized on-air later for saying Grant was cuffed. Also, I want to make this very clear AGAIN. This story does NOT justify the shooting of Oscar Grant. I know a lot of people are upset about the shooting and they have good reasons to be upset. But THIS STORY is about whether or not an officer punched Grant.
@dlin11 So many people keep saying that Grant was handcuffed and are absolutely RABID about it! You can clearly see in several videos that he was not cuffed. When they roll Grant over, you can see Grants left arm was in front of him, his right arm was behind him. His left arm being in front corroborates the claim of the officers that he had his hand underneath him and could have been reaching for a weapon.
ok, you've got your "smellyfooty" in your moth. You make NO SENSE. This segment was about the "PUNCH" that NEVER HAPPENED. And 4 officers were OUTNUMBERED BY 100s of people, if you are going to argue about the justification of Oscar Grant's death, post it on a video ABOUT that.
I think the attorney is grasping at straws hoping for a stroke of luck. The entire incident could have been avoided if Grant and his friends hadn't gotten in the fight on the BART train in the first place. The contact with police is a direct result of their actions prior to them arriving to cool the situation. When they were directed to sit down for interview, Grant should have done as instructed instead of resisting. His unfortunate demise rests squarely on his shoulders.
@CaptAdams35 I would argue no one deserves to be shot over a fight..oh and the cop in question called out nigger twice...he was ready and wiling to kill that nigger
@toddholladay You're truly amazing. Out of all the witnesses on the platform, the other officers nearby, and the cameras that captured this tragic event, you're the only one who has tried to play that card. Congrats, Toddholladay, you are the Troll of the Day. Go put on your "favourite" dunce cap and sit in the corner until your village needs their idiot back ;~D
@CaptAdams35 I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS WHAT WAS TESTIFIED IN COURT...THE COP IS THE ONE WHO SAID IT ....NOT ME ...I JUST REPORTED WHAT WAS SAID...SO I THINK THE COPS THE TROLL..NOT ME
@toddholladay So you are saying that the officer said "nigger" and not you? If that's the case, I do apologize, I'm VERY sensitive towards that shit. I served with every color of man and woman on the planet, we all bleed the same blood and it pisses me off to no end to hear anyone, especially an American, bashing anyone of any race. My apologies for assuming that was coming from you, but I've seen 4 versions of the video and NONE show him using any comments of the sort, so I'm not buying it.
@CaptAdams35 thank you for the message...and I agree with you....my son is army and his buddies are every race and color....I hope one day in America we can look at a persons character instead of race...
@CaptAdams35 Grant actually called Pirone a "bitch ass nigga" to which Pirone repeatedly said back to him "I'm the bitch ass nigga, right? I'm the bitch ass nigga, right?". Even Grant's friends said that Pirone said "bitch ass nigga, right?" yet they leave out the "I'm", in an attempt to make it sound like something it is not.
@ssn708 I'm in Oklahoma and haven't gotten any assistance from Oakland at all. I appreciate the heads up, but I've seen how the media and these "victims" there have tried to spin this thing. The investigation and media coverage have been irresponsible. I ran a crime tracker report for the fruitvale station and a half mile any direction from, it's amazing. The crime there iwas worse in a month than it is in the entire state of Oklahoma.
@CaptAdams35 It is sad that media outlets can get away with lies, simply to inflame the situation and get ratings. They should be held criminally responsible for any of the damage / deaths that result from riots. Some are saying Grant was handcuffed when it was proven that he was not. KTVU refuses to retract a defamatory story about Pirone that was proven to be false. Is there no journalistic integrity? Pirone should sue KTVU for defamation of character.
@ssn708 They're held responsible for all reports, true and false. If the officer doesn't push it, they won't retract the statement. I've seen what the media can do first hand during Desert Shield and Storm, as well as last year here in Oklahoma. A trooper buddy of mine was accused of assaulting a medic, but they neglected to report that the medic was obstructing then resisting arrest. It amazes me how many people are blind to this and so quick to jump on the bandwagon / witch hunt.
@CaptAdams35 but we have other incidents with that bully also showing him to be what he is. a power hungry bitch who apparently thought he was still in iraq. fuck him and good riddance
@dixiejon When was he in Iraq? Was Grant there too? Or does that have absolutely nothing to do with this incident either? I don't care what he did 5 or 10 years ago while trying to do the job with a leash on (I can only assume that you've never served by your comment), as for this situation, he acted accordingly. If I were on that platform and the officer trying to search him lost control of the subject's hand, I would have had him reaching up and over scratching his nose, but that didn't happen
@dixiejon What did happen is the officer lost control of his subject's hand and felt threatened enough to retreat, shout a warning to his partner, draw his weapon, and fired an immobilizing shot into his lower back which ricocheted up off the floor and back into his chest. It was unfortunate and I think unnecessary, but it wasn't murder by any stretch of the imagination. These media morons trying to hype it into something it wasn't just makes them look worse than they already do. Good day
@dixiejon He wasn't trying to run away, why shoot him in the leg? How bout you go through CLEET academy and get a clue before you start commenting on how we do our job. You've watched way too many movies and now think you know something about something when you don't know crap about anything. Do us all a favor, research at least before you start posting nonsense. Thanks :~D
@CaptAdams35 It's amazing to me, don't these people realize they are on the internet, and they can use it to actually look shit up? People will spend 3 hours calling you a liar, a racist, etc, but not 5 minutes actually doing some research.
@ssn708 It's because they take what's in print as the word of God. The media's got the average person by the balls and they'll believe any load of crap that they're spoonfed. The funny thing is, the station dropped the "murder" and "cuffed" parts of their follow up stories, but never issued a retraction or apology for the misinformation. There's no real accountability.
@CaptAdams35 Oh, I know. I contacted KTVU after seeing this video since they reported Pirone punched Grant and had several legal experts saying this was a crime. I asked when they were going to retract their story since it was proven Pirone did not punch Grant. They said they are sticking by their story!
@ssn708 What amazes me is that they have so much power and get away with polishing these turds (their stories) and selling them off for ratings without any fear of legal ramifications.
@dixiejon First manslaughter is NOT murder. There is a huge difference. This was an accident. Mehserle intended to TASE Grant, and he simply grabbed the wrong weapon. Evidenced by shouting "Fuck this I'm tasing him" as well as his stance, demeanor, grip, angle, distance to target, and reaction.
@dixiejon What other incidents? The only accusation I am aware of was Kenneth Curruthers, who claimed Mehserle assaulted him for talking smack about BART cops. He was proven to be a liar. Dozens of witnesses and not one corroborated his story, not even the guy who was with him. Was there anything else? I am honestly curious.
@hahayouknowme33 He wasn't dead when he was resisting being searched. The officers don't have x-ray vision. The facts are simple, they're in a highly violent area, these guys were involved in a gang fight on the train, and he resisted then pulled his hand towards his unsearched jacket. The officer did what he thought was right to protect himself, his fellow officer, and the patrons on the platform at the station. Watch the video again.
@CaptAdams35 Your a fuckin cold hearted bitch. He was unarmed and had his face in the ground. He wiggled around and bitched at the cop but that IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE BACK. Fuck you.
I'm not sure why. I did get it to work by clicking on the HQ button on the lower right hand corner. That's basically in Hi-Def. I'm not sure why people can't watch it in normal quality. I'm try to fix it. But the Hi-Def quality works fine right now. But it's slow if you have slow connection
well you never see this from KTVU, instead they keep fueling the anger by constantly and i say constantly airing anything that would show police as bad as possible... because of this i never belive officer who shot Grant will get fair justice...
I see the point that you're making about how bad reports (in general, not just this one specific case) can mislead and anger people. And I don't think you're linking the two stories within the story. But I want to be very clear this story about Officer Tony Pirone does NOT justify what former Officer Johannes Mehserle did. This story is intended to just show whether it was a punch or not and if Pirone should be prosecuted because of a video of poor quality showed on a TV station.
Thank you for posting this on You Tube. And thanks to KRON 4 for airing this report in the first place. I love Burris' reaction that it "really doesn't matter". Oh... yeah it does! And you know it! But it scares the crap out of you because the truth is your kryptonite.
WHY is no one else reporting this??!! Maybe if KTVU didnt run with their crappy story, we wouldn't have the level of violence with the riots that have occurred!
Liars. Evil liars, trying to justify evil. They are cursed.
ddsharper 5 months ago
@ssn708 you actually have a good point, i dont think he meant to "shoot" him either, but in saying that i still think that for one a "gun" and a "taser" feel different enough to notice, and also even though the officer did shoot him i dont think he was "devistated" by it.
murculater1 7 months ago
To all those who are angry at the person who posted below me, check his channel and it will cheer you up. Lol he's so dumb his comments dont matter.
murculater1 7 months ago
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you fucking pieces of shit you deserve to get shot every day of you shity job
1duspiores 7 months ago
No thanks, but wouldn't mind if you said "pop" and pulled your head out of your ass. The officer felt he and the others were in danger, he was there and reacted accordingly to insure their safety. Grant's noncompliance is what forced the shooting, nothing else. Just for educational purposes, a shooter is just as deadly from the prone or supine position as the officer is from the Weaver. The kid's actions forced the officer's reaction. If you want to debate this, feel free, but come with facts.
CptAdams35 8 months ago
Dont matter he still shoulnt of shoot him they say they stopin vilence but the true iz the comit it fuk the sistem
bonez707bonez 8 months ago
Great they go the extra mile to show hes innocent......
DanglinSausage 9 months ago
What the hell is fucking wrong with them screw the bickering crap , damned pig shot him when he opposed no threat cut in dry ! Nothing that happend before that is erelveant to the simple fact that it was in know way neccessary to shoot him ! The bullshit tazer excuse is sad , theres a variety of facts that seperate the two , he would be better off cliaming that he was just mently retarded with all respect to those who do suffer from this !
MyDominic22 10 months ago
2:45 2:55 Grant's arm 4 feet long? no. Other officer's arm.
w13rdguy 1 year ago
this may get pirone somewhat off the hook, but that doesnt mean Grant deserved to die, or was not murdered by an officer of the law. also there is more footage of pirone doing shit to Grant that is assault, this clip doesnt show the whole thing, only what they want you to see. remember that. we need to stand together and fight for our rights or we wont have any for much longer. this is a growing trend in the police force, make an example of it not an excuse.
jrowe6 1 year ago
@jrowe6 Pirone kicks him when he stands up, after being repeatedly ordered to remain seated (after Grant assaulted 2 officers). Grant did not deserve to die, and Mehserle was criminally negligent. It was an accident, NOT a murder. Mehserle still absolutely deserves prison.
ssn708 1 year ago
This entire thing was handled very badly by the officers, escalating an already bad situation. They should have either calmed the men down and left, or arrested them, not created this circus and a very tense situation for everyone involved.
But I definitely agree that Pirone did not punch him. I don't see any serious crimes by any of the officers other than Mehserle in any of these videos, just some very bad decisions that created a scenario would something could easily go as wrong as it did.
universalunity 1 year ago
Dont Give a Shit, The Cop SHOT Him! No Excuse!
LucrativeMoney 1 year ago
they still murdered! him or am i the only one with ears??????! reall though ????
hahayouknowme33 1 year ago
@hahayouknowme33 If they wanted to murder him, the officer wouldn't have retreated and drew his weapon, he would have stayed saddled on his back and put the muzzle right in the back of his head. Instead he retreated, yelled for him to stop, then fired an immobilizing shot into his back that ricocheted off the floor and back up into his chest.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 Very well said and very true! Like he would stand up and give everyone a better view! He would have stayed crouched and shot him if his intention was to execute him. He also would have never shot at that angle downward against a hard surface intentionally, anyone who has fired a gun would know that the ricochet could hit you and kill you (or the other officers standing right there!). It was proven Mehserle intended to fire his taser, not his gun.
ssn708 1 year ago
All the Cops involved should go down
Dav27ellevay 1 year ago
"Here, let me help solve the problem by stretching my hand towards your shiny gun."
TheStarvingSamurai 1 year ago
@sensaybooo He certainly should not have been shot. Mehserle intended to tase, not shoot. Also, they had no way of knowing if Grant was armed, they had not had the chance to search any of them yet.
ssn708 1 year ago
What's it matter if they punched him or not? This is about a fatal shooting, not a punch.
wisdom360 1 year ago
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this is some bullll fucking shit fuck you they did it they need to be alll fired
sexysamthequeen 1 year ago
I gotta rofl at these two morons commenting here. captadams35 you are just one of these pigs that use unnecessary force arnt ya, no reason to pull your firearm on an unarmed man who is restrained face down on the ground, there is no argument to that one way or another. SSN708, only a fucking moron rookie would mistake his pistol for his taser. If you cant tell the difference between the two or cant handle your weapon, you shouldn't be carrying one.
mjewell122 1 year ago
@mjewell122 Only a moron rookie? And you would know because you have been in the same situation so many times? And by the way, 8 other officers have made the exact same mistake that I am aware of, likely many many more. You call people with actual facts to back them up morons while not knowing what you are talking about in the least. That would be the definition of ignorance.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 dude, your an idiot, I bet you would intend to pull your baton and grab your dick instead. save yourself some embarrassment and just shut up.
mjewell122 1 year ago
@mjewell122 Everything I have said is verifiable fact, and with your language and debating skills, it is you who are embarrassing yourself with your pathetic bullshit. If you were in a similar situation as the officer, you would have pissed yourself and run home to momma. So please, give it up.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 just cant take a piece of good advice can you. Go ahead and keep making yourself look and sound like a fool. I will just sit and lol at you more.
mjewell122 1 year ago
@mjewell122 Since I am the one sticking to proven facts, I am the one rightfully laughing at you. You just aren't bright enough to realize that. So keep embarrassing yourself, you're doing a really great job so far!
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 the only proven fact in this case is the shooting of a restrained unarmed man in the back, what you are going on is the testimony that he did it on accident, and if that is the case, then it would show he doesn't know the difference between a taser and a pistol. If he cant distinguish between the two before discharging one. then he shouldn't be using them. And you defending it is only making you look ignorant.
mjewell122 1 year ago
@mjewell122 I am going on proven fact combined with common sense. Mehserle shouted "Fuck this I'm tasing him" to which Grant yelled "Don't tase me". Facts. No one would stand directly above the point of impact and fire a .40 cal downward, that's suicidal.That's a fact. No one would execute someone in front of dozens of witnesses. That's common sense. 8 other cops have made the exact same mistake, confusing a taser and a gun. Defending the truth is not ignorant. Saying this is murder is ignorant.
ssn708 1 year ago
@mjewell122 This being an accidental shooting is actually a proven fact. His stance, demeanor, distance to target, reaction, proximity to other officers prove that this was not an intentional shooting (as was testified to by numerous firearms experts who know much more about this than either of us). Mehserle fired into a non-vital area of Grants back, not somewhere you would shoot to "execute" someone. Had it not been for the ricochet the gunshot would not have been lethal.
ssn708 1 year ago
@mjewell122 You are the one that believes that sitting at home on Youtube, you know more than the experts who investigated the case and the jury who heard all of the evidence, watched all of the videos, heard all of the testimony, and know a hell of a lot more about what happened than you ever will. That makes YOU the idiot, pal.
ssn708 1 year ago
I have contacted KTVU, the station that ran a story showing the "other" video, and several police officers saying that Pirone punched Grant in the face and committed a crime by punching him. Even after informing KTVU today (7/29/10) of this video proving that Pirone did not strike Grant in the face, and asking for a retraction, the response I received was "Thank you for your note. We stand behind our story". They stand behind a LIE!!! Contact KTVU and demand they air a retraction!
ssn708 1 year ago
John Burris is a fucking idiot, How the fckk does he know if Grant wasn't cussing and not listening to the officers???? Dumbass guy!!!!
H1mynameisLarry 1 year ago
Man what does the punch have to do with them killing him execution style?
moef51 1 year ago
@moef51 If you're going to "execute" someone, you either line them up and blindfold them, or you sneak up behind them and shoot them at the base of the skull. You don't wrestle with them trying to search them THEN shoot them in the back. Come on and get a clue already, Moef, I have faith in you.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 All I was saying was the police officers intentions looked as if he wanted to kill Oscar Grant. Execution is execution there are many ways to execute someone because the meaning of the word execute in the sense of killing someone is: to murder, to assassinate, to kill, or put to death. Fuck faith there is no need for it when you know
moef51 1 year ago
@moef51 I think it was more "FATE" than anything else. That was a one in a million shot for it to go through his lower back and ricochet back up into his heart. Some will call it a freak accident, but I think it is divine intervention. We'll see how it all plays out.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@moef51 There was nothing that looked like execution. Execution would have been if he pressed the gun into him and fired. No one would fire a .40 cal at that range at that angle downward at a hard surface. Mehserle intended to tase Grant. Grant was shot in the LOWER back, where you would fire a taser, not a gun intending to kill someone. It would have been non-fatal, but the bullet ricocheted and went through his lung. Accident, not execution.
ssn708 1 year ago
@moef51 What I saw was a fight, officers responding, chaos on the platform, officers broke it up and separated them, officers started checking for weapons, everyone complied until they got to Grant, took officers to get him to lay down to be searched, he jerked his arm away and moved it towards his jacket, Meserhle retreated and fired a round into his lower back, then they took control of him again and cuffed him (only 1 out of the 4 videos actually shows that, the others are cut off prior)
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 Are you suggesting that they cuffed Grant prior to the shooting? That seemed to be what you were sayiing in your last post, but Grant was not cuffed before the shooting. There is some disagreement as to whether they cuffed him afterwards.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 No, no one was handcuffed prior to the shooting. The officers were merely interviewing them to find out what was going on. It wasn't until Grant became combative and pulled his arm away from Meserhle that he was shot, THEN cuffed, and searched.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 Actually, two of the suspects were handcuffed prior to the shooting, Grant and the other suspect were not. It took the cops about 5 seconds to cuff the other two suspects, because they complied. Notice how they lived. Funny how that works, huh? So tragic, both could be home with their families tonight. Now one is dead, the other in prison for 3-14 years, all over some bullshit on New Years Eve.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 I thought they were just sitting against the wall with their hands down to their sides as instructed. Makes you wonder why Grant would resist being searched since he had just gotten out of jail weeks earlier after being caught with a gun and trying to run and resist police. Not a very smart choice, whether he was shot or not. I pulled stats on a 1 mile radius around the Fruitvale Station and they averaged 11 violent crimes there a day prior to the shooting. Talk about a shithole.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@ssn708 I think when the citizens have had enough, they'll stand up to these morons that are running their streets and neighborhoods into the ground. I noticed Grant's father didn't have much to say. Maybe he didn't care or maybe he expected it to happen sooner or later. I think Meserhle got involuntary manslaughter, 2-4 years is the max here. I'm still trying to figure out how this got turned into a race issue, other than the media (tv and print) reporting recklessly.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 Actually, there were two charges Mehserle was convicted of. Involuntary manslaughter carries 2-4 years. Use of a gun when committing a felony carries 3-10 if I am not mistaken. If he gets the minimum on both, he serves 3 years if the sentances run concurrently. If he gets the max on both to be served consecutively, he will get 14. I agree, the race issue is BS. This was not racially motivated. It was a mistake. A criminally negligent one, but a mistake regardless of race.
ssn708 1 year ago
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dreadheadedwonder 1 year ago
The good guy???? r u f****** kidding me
lalakersrtheone 1 year ago
he punches him when he's on the ground
thprfssnl1 1 year ago
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Good riddance to that piece of trash gangsta. I hope his dumb ass is being raped in hell.
queueupladeez 1 year ago
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angelrose84 1 year ago
That's great how all these "experts" Monday night quarterback an intense escalating situation. Just remember, if you were not there that night and you don't put your life at risk on a daily bases to keep neighborhoods safe, you are probabaly not the expert you think you are.
THETRUTHNINJA 1 year ago
@THETRUTHNINJA Let them keep venting, it makes them feel justified in their ignorance. There's a reason they're computer quarterbacking and not running things in the really real world.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
it dont matter if he punched r slapped him...he still shot him for no reason
chevybio229 1 year ago
@chevybio229 He shot him because he feared he had a gun. You could plainly hear him yelling at his fellow officer that was at Grant's head and shoulders. He screamed "Gun! Gun!" then retreated and drew his weapon then fired an immobilizing shot into his lower back (which ricocheted off the platform and back up into his lungs). As it turned out he was NOT going for a gun, but trying to escape to ditch the drugs he had on him. He told his friends he was not going back to prison.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
FUCK THE POLICE. COPY AND PASTE
Fatcap83 1 year ago
Oscar Grant is a thug, plain and simple. He wasn't fighting on New Years, being drunk and was instead at home with his girlfriend and his young daughter he would still be alive. Looks like there were a lot of people causing trouble that night by the amount of police presence, and if you have taken Bart, you know thugs that are from Richmond/Oakland, California will start fights with you for "NO" reason, even if they are sober.
I hope the police officer goes FREE, I will be laughing at RIOTS
DanielSchmidt94521 1 year ago
What the fuck does this have to do with his goddamn execution you racist recessive bitch?!?
dcbama3209 2 years ago
Pironi's actions here are questionable. Those of the officer who drew his gun and executed Grant Gestapo-style are not; no amount of after-the-fact analysis could come to any other conclusion than that he willfully killed a man who was at that point incapable of causing harm to anyone on the scene.
rockin982 2 years ago
It does not matter if the officer KISSED Oscar Grant. Oscar Grant was still SHOT by a bullet while Oscar was laying on the ground HANDCUFFED!
enderbsd 2 years ago
Oscar Grant was NOT handcuffed. I've interviewed his friends who were with him. They all said Grant wasn't handcuffed when he was shot. Even his family attorney said that. KTVU apologized on-air later for saying Grant was cuffed. Also, I want to make this very clear AGAIN. This story does NOT justify the shooting of Oscar Grant. I know a lot of people are upset about the shooting and they have good reasons to be upset. But THIS STORY is about whether or not an officer punched Grant.
dlin11 2 years ago
I challange you to look at the whole video.
what I see is Just before oscar is taken down he puts his hands behind his back.
at first i thought he was fully cuffed. but now I see that Mehserly only put one cuff on him. Any way, no matter how you see it
Paronie And Mehserly had him subdued.
He did not punch Grant but he did use a lot of force in hisunwarranted strike.
JfarmerJr 2 years ago
@dlin11 So many people keep saying that Grant was handcuffed and are absolutely RABID about it! You can clearly see in several videos that he was not cuffed. When they roll Grant over, you can see Grants left arm was in front of him, his right arm was behind him. His left arm being in front corroborates the claim of the officers that he had his hand underneath him and could have been reaching for a weapon.
ssn708 1 year ago
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what BULLSHIT! A BULLET killed this child, not a "punch". the "kids" were outnumbered and outgunned. No reason for a 22yr old to be dead!
smellyfooty 2 years ago
ok, you've got your "smellyfooty" in your moth. You make NO SENSE. This segment was about the "PUNCH" that NEVER HAPPENED. And 4 officers were OUTNUMBERED BY 100s of people, if you are going to argue about the justification of Oscar Grant's death, post it on a video ABOUT that.
RealityReason 2 years ago 4
What is about is the force used on a man who pose no threat.
Kron 4 tried to be slick by slowing it down so that the force could seem lest abusive
JfarmerJr 2 years ago
I think the attorney is grasping at straws hoping for a stroke of luck. The entire incident could have been avoided if Grant and his friends hadn't gotten in the fight on the BART train in the first place. The contact with police is a direct result of their actions prior to them arriving to cool the situation. When they were directed to sit down for interview, Grant should have done as instructed instead of resisting. His unfortunate demise rests squarely on his shoulders.
CaptAdams35 3 years ago 8
@CaptAdams35 I would argue no one deserves to be shot over a fight..oh and the cop in question called out nigger twice...he was ready and wiling to kill that nigger
toddholladay 1 year ago
@toddholladay You're truly amazing. Out of all the witnesses on the platform, the other officers nearby, and the cameras that captured this tragic event, you're the only one who has tried to play that card. Congrats, Toddholladay, you are the Troll of the Day. Go put on your "favourite" dunce cap and sit in the corner until your village needs their idiot back ;~D
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS WHAT WAS TESTIFIED IN COURT...THE COP IS THE ONE WHO SAID IT ....NOT ME ...I JUST REPORTED WHAT WAS SAID...SO I THINK THE COPS THE TROLL..NOT ME
toddholladay 1 year ago
@toddholladay So you are saying that the officer said "nigger" and not you? If that's the case, I do apologize, I'm VERY sensitive towards that shit. I served with every color of man and woman on the planet, we all bleed the same blood and it pisses me off to no end to hear anyone, especially an American, bashing anyone of any race. My apologies for assuming that was coming from you, but I've seen 4 versions of the video and NONE show him using any comments of the sort, so I'm not buying it.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 thank you for the message...and I agree with you....my son is army and his buddies are every race and color....I hope one day in America we can look at a persons character instead of race...
toddholladay 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 Grant actually called Pirone a "bitch ass nigga" to which Pirone repeatedly said back to him "I'm the bitch ass nigga, right? I'm the bitch ass nigga, right?". Even Grant's friends said that Pirone said "bitch ass nigga, right?" yet they leave out the "I'm", in an attempt to make it sound like something it is not.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 I'm in Oklahoma and haven't gotten any assistance from Oakland at all. I appreciate the heads up, but I've seen how the media and these "victims" there have tried to spin this thing. The investigation and media coverage have been irresponsible. I ran a crime tracker report for the fruitvale station and a half mile any direction from, it's amazing. The crime there iwas worse in a month than it is in the entire state of Oklahoma.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 It is sad that media outlets can get away with lies, simply to inflame the situation and get ratings. They should be held criminally responsible for any of the damage / deaths that result from riots. Some are saying Grant was handcuffed when it was proven that he was not. KTVU refuses to retract a defamatory story about Pirone that was proven to be false. Is there no journalistic integrity? Pirone should sue KTVU for defamation of character.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 They're held responsible for all reports, true and false. If the officer doesn't push it, they won't retract the statement. I've seen what the media can do first hand during Desert Shield and Storm, as well as last year here in Oklahoma. A trooper buddy of mine was accused of assaulting a medic, but they neglected to report that the medic was obstructing then resisting arrest. It amazes me how many people are blind to this and so quick to jump on the bandwagon / witch hunt.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 but we have other incidents with that bully also showing him to be what he is. a power hungry bitch who apparently thought he was still in iraq. fuck him and good riddance
dixiejon 1 year ago
@dixiejon When was he in Iraq? Was Grant there too? Or does that have absolutely nothing to do with this incident either? I don't care what he did 5 or 10 years ago while trying to do the job with a leash on (I can only assume that you've never served by your comment), as for this situation, he acted accordingly. If I were on that platform and the officer trying to search him lost control of the subject's hand, I would have had him reaching up and over scratching his nose, but that didn't happen
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@dixiejon What did happen is the officer lost control of his subject's hand and felt threatened enough to retreat, shout a warning to his partner, draw his weapon, and fired an immobilizing shot into his lower back which ricocheted up off the floor and back into his chest. It was unfortunate and I think unnecessary, but it wasn't murder by any stretch of the imagination. These media morons trying to hype it into something it wasn't just makes them look worse than they already do. Good day
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 a shot in the leg is immoblizing a shot in the back is murder or as per his CONVICTION MANSLAUGHTER
dixiejon 1 year ago
@dixiejon He wasn't trying to run away, why shoot him in the leg? How bout you go through CLEET academy and get a clue before you start commenting on how we do our job. You've watched way too many movies and now think you know something about something when you don't know crap about anything. Do us all a favor, research at least before you start posting nonsense. Thanks :~D
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 It's amazing to me, don't these people realize they are on the internet, and they can use it to actually look shit up? People will spend 3 hours calling you a liar, a racist, etc, but not 5 minutes actually doing some research.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 It's because they take what's in print as the word of God. The media's got the average person by the balls and they'll believe any load of crap that they're spoonfed. The funny thing is, the station dropped the "murder" and "cuffed" parts of their follow up stories, but never issued a retraction or apology for the misinformation. There's no real accountability.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 Oh, I know. I contacted KTVU after seeing this video since they reported Pirone punched Grant and had several legal experts saying this was a crime. I asked when they were going to retract their story since it was proven Pirone did not punch Grant. They said they are sticking by their story!
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 What amazes me is that they have so much power and get away with polishing these turds (their stories) and selling them off for ratings without any fear of legal ramifications.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@dixiejon First manslaughter is NOT murder. There is a huge difference. This was an accident. Mehserle intended to TASE Grant, and he simply grabbed the wrong weapon. Evidenced by shouting "Fuck this I'm tasing him" as well as his stance, demeanor, grip, angle, distance to target, and reaction.
ssn708 1 year ago
@dixiejon What other incidents? The only accusation I am aware of was Kenneth Curruthers, who claimed Mehserle assaulted him for talking smack about BART cops. He was proven to be a liar. Dozens of witnesses and not one corroborated his story, not even the guy who was with him. Was there anything else? I am honestly curious.
ssn708 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 blaiming the DEAD victim wow smh in discust
hahayouknowme33 1 year ago
@hahayouknowme33 He wasn't dead when he was resisting being searched. The officers don't have x-ray vision. The facts are simple, they're in a highly violent area, these guys were involved in a gang fight on the train, and he resisted then pulled his hand towards his unsearched jacket. The officer did what he thought was right to protect himself, his fellow officer, and the patrons on the platform at the station. Watch the video again.
CaptAdams35 1 year ago
@CaptAdams35 Your a fuckin cold hearted bitch. He was unarmed and had his face in the ground. He wiggled around and bitched at the cop but that IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE BACK. Fuck you.
VietHetzer 8 months ago
THE LINK ISN'T WORKING ANYMORE??!!
RealityReason 3 years ago
I'm not sure why. I did get it to work by clicking on the HQ button on the lower right hand corner. That's basically in Hi-Def. I'm not sure why people can't watch it in normal quality. I'm try to fix it. But the Hi-Def quality works fine right now. But it's slow if you have slow connection
dlin11 3 years ago
It's working now without having to go to HD.
dlin11 3 years ago
well you never see this from KTVU, instead they keep fueling the anger by constantly and i say constantly airing anything that would show police as bad as possible... because of this i never belive officer who shot Grant will get fair justice...
AND838 3 years ago 2
I see the point that you're making about how bad reports (in general, not just this one specific case) can mislead and anger people. And I don't think you're linking the two stories within the story. But I want to be very clear this story about Officer Tony Pirone does NOT justify what former Officer Johannes Mehserle did. This story is intended to just show whether it was a punch or not and if Pirone should be prosecuted because of a video of poor quality showed on a TV station.
dlin11 3 years ago 2
Thank you for posting this on You Tube. And thanks to KRON 4 for airing this report in the first place. I love Burris' reaction that it "really doesn't matter". Oh... yeah it does! And you know it! But it scares the crap out of you because the truth is your kryptonite.
dow2480 3 years ago 11
WHY is no one else reporting this??!! Maybe if KTVU didnt run with their crappy story, we wouldn't have the level of violence with the riots that have occurred!
RealityReason 3 years ago 4
lol.....that's funny cause cops and military people are train not to hit with their fist but with their palm. lol.
they don't hit with their fist because they might break their fingers.
johnher1982 3 years ago
John Morrison is a bad ass!!!
bobwegener 3 years ago 2