Ok, first of all, they are both good. Unfortunately 2009 Rachel was not the same as 2010 Rachel. She may have been able to beat Zenyatta but we will never know. You can't give Rachel credit for something that has never happened. Also, if Zenyatta had raced Rachel in 2010, she would have beaten her, but Rachels owner backed out every time. We will never know, but you have to admit that Rachel is the one who came back the next year and was not even close to being the Preakness winner we all luv.
rachel would have smoked zenyattas ass in 09 going a mile and an eighth. Big z is an amazing horse but she would never have made up the ground. nine times out of ten the speed horse wins the match race
Theres only 1 race in 09' Zenyatta would have been able to catch Rachel in. That is the Woodward stakes. After a grueling season, she goes all out in this race and sets blazing fractions. She shook off Da'Tara off, then Past the Point, the Bullsbay like a tagteam in a wrestling match. Finally they took out their greatest weapon, the closer. A deep-closer, that is extremely mature like Macho Again. Yet he could't catch her still. Zenyatta is the only one that could've.
richael is way better ten z richael won vs males more then once and she is a front runner wich is harder...z couldnt make twice against boys... i work in santa anita but i love richael,,, she runs great,,,,other horse that i loved was ventura, she was a great too, z is a good filly but she almost ran in california all her races,,a good horse runs any track turf or dirt .. come on z is n that good....
@groomontherun Yeah and Zenyatta practically beat all those male horses in the Classic that Rachel won against in those 3 races. Zenyatta has won 17 Graded stakes races including 13 Grade I events and has defeated 5 Champions of 8 different awards like Gio Ponti, Sealy Hill, Summer Bird, Ginger Punch, Espoir City and many more. Yeah Ventura is a nice filly:) Yeah she did run at Santa Anita, Hollywood Park and Del Mar most of her career.
@groomontherun Also being undefeated for 19 starts is pretty impressive on any surface.Rachel never ran on turf and noor did Zenyatta so what are you talking about "a good horse runs on any track turf or dirt" I thought both mares were pretty amazing.Now Zenyatta is one of the GREATEST race horses of all times, you cant just say "oh Zenyatta isnt that good" please how about you look back on her career and see how much she accomplished.Im not against Rachel,shes a nice mare im just making a point
@RuffianA101 no she isnt that good...practically she ran most of her carrer in california... and that counts.....what happen with lava man after he was claimed he started to win good races but when hwent out of california he didnt won..why cus no the best horses are i california.
@groomontherun oh wow! She is won of the top 5 best thoroughbreds in history! Who cares if she ran most of her races in CA. Any surface any time Zenyatta would beat Rachel. Rachel cant go 1 1/4m so that would be an easy win over Rachel for Zenyatta if Rachel actually came to the Classic in 09. Lava Man is great horse maybe he wasnt that great out of CA but its not like Zenyatta hasnt raced out of CA she won the Apple Blossom Handicap twice and went to the Classic 2010.
@groomontherun Whoa so your saying that none of the best thoroughbreds are from CA?! Wow I can name about 10 of them off hand. Seabiscuit, Round Table, Stagehand, Citation, Noor, Two Lea, Swaps, Silky Sullivan, Zenyatta, Lookin At Lucky, oh and Lava Man:)
@groomontherun First of all, learn how to fucking spell. Second, ok. So, you think Zenyatta isn't that good? Ok then, you get your ass out on the track with a jockey on you and race faster than she did. Ass hole.
rachael is better she has proved greatness b4 zeyatta nad beat her in horse of the year! and if they had a match race ra would be toooooo far ahead 4 zenyatta she would win by um35 lengths
@8breyerlover Um I believe Zenyatta prooved greatness before Rachel, Zenyatta had already won multiple G1 races way before Rachel started getting her big wins. Yes she did beat her in HOY but that doesnt proove that Rachel is a better horse than Zenyatta, Rachel got HOY because she won the Preakness, Haskel and the Woodward against older males and the East had more voters than the West for HOY.
@8breyerlover And 35 lengths is alittle bit pushing it, Zenyatta would sit a couple of lengths off of Rachel then Zenyatta would have that power house move in the stretch. Rachel would put up a fight then loose the lead like she did in the New Orleans Ladies, La Troienne Stakes and the Personal Ensign Stakes then Zenyatta would win by a couple of lengths. Rachel is and amazing horse she captured hearts of millions but comparing the two I would have to say Zenyatta for all those amazing wins!
I'm trying to say, neither Unrivaled Beller or Persistently are allowance horses. It's odd though, the horse Zenyatta beat [Zardana] who had previously beaten Rachel Alexandra, didn't show up for the BC. Coincidence?
@queenluciaa Zardana just ran for the first time since June, so she was probably injured or something. Unless you can come up with an explanation that makes more sense. And going into the PE, Persistently was an allowance filly. Had she won a grade 1 or even any stakes race for that matter, then you could say Rachel got beat by a non-allowance horse. Nothing will change her record going into the PE and I'd be shocked if she ever wins another graded stakes race.
@queenluciaa rachel doesnt want to run a mile and a quarter. In the personal ensign she ran head and head with life at ten for a mile and shook that bitch off like she was standing still at the qurter pole. she just doesnt want to go that far. Plus word on the backside at churchill was that rachel had a chip taken out of her ankle after the woodward. thats why she didn't run for six months. The public wasn't privy to that knowledge.
I think it is becoming clearer as time passes that Rachel as a 4yr old already has several losses while Zenyatta as a 6yr old has none. Also Rachel was beaten in her 1st race this year by Zardana who has been beaten by Zenyatta. It's safe to say now that Zenyatta is the better horse.
I love both horses but to tell you the truth we will never know who's better even if the did race because the have two totally different running styles. RA - Front Runner/ Zen - Closer. Zenyatta has always been off the pace, Rachel has always been on the pace the only way we will know who is better,{I know this might sound crazy} is if the raced against each other twice. the first one with their normal running style & the second one Swapped RA - Closer/ Zen - Front runner
how do you compare two champs that duffer in age by two years? one has always been safely managed except for the b.c. last year.the younger filly had a year to remember as a three year old.i guess i would have to say that zen is the best in the west and rachel is the best in the east.
Per your byline..just copy it over and date it one year later! You must be really impressed by STILL undefeated Zenyatta who just mastered her THIRD VANITY. First time one horse has won the Vanity 3 times. (Rachel just won for the first time in 3 races) I know who the better horse is so I will just dedicate this video to Zenyatta the champ like I did last year:)Love ya Zenny, you're the BEST!
The "2009 Hoax of the Year" can't beat a field of 5 in the "New Orleans Ladies" and can't beat a field of 6 in the "La Troienne".
All these Rachel Alexandra fans sound like these creeps that get caught on "To Catch A Predator". I feel like Chris Hansen listening to their pathetic excuses.
Queen Z by far perfect 15 for 15 lifetime against the toughest company around... You can say she is the best... Rachel has lost and lost today at Fair Grounds to Zardanya (BRZ)... So I think Rachel has lost alot and needs to gain it all in 3 weeks if the Rachel Zenyatta showdown is to happen...
What does the Derby have to do with it? Rachel didn't win in or run in the Derby, she ran in (and won) three races against the males--Preakness, Haskell and Woodward.
I still think both are fantastic, though. I want both of them to run in a race and win a dead heat, heh heh.
The Apple Blossom has been moved to April 9th to accomodate Rachel Alexandra b/c of her layoff (a little biased, but 6 days aren't a big difference). Go Rachel, go! I hope they meet again in another stakes
personally, i am a Zenyatta fan but i am interested in watching Rachel to see what she has 2 bring before us. BOTH fillies are amazing and have proven so. there's no need to hate one or the other. people who say mean things about the other horse are not true horselovers at all. respect the game, love the horses. simple.
What does Zen have to do to win HOY? Win at 1-1/4 mile? against the best boys in the world? in the BC Classic?.... oh wait..she's already done that! Unfortunately, I highly doubt we'll see her against RA anytime soon. Jess Jackson was already making excuses right after he won the Eclipse. "The Apple Blossom is a bit soon to have RA ready". WTF !!!!! It's only january and he can't have his horse fit by MAY? he can train his horse until May of 2011 and she'll never be ready to face Zenyatta.
rachel is a talented filly but zenyatta is more experienced +zenyatta's owners entered her n the breeders cup when rachel failed 2 appear so they must have more faith n her so she must b good
In a match race, which would be unfair to Zenyatta she would lose to Rachel by 5 or 10 lengths, if the race were in a regular field Rachel by 3 lengths or more, the race would shape up like the Oaks, Mother Goose and Haskell, the Preakness and Woodward were races were Rachel was on the lead for a reason, the 13 post and the older horse boxing her in. In a race fro 8-12 furlongs Zenyatta would be over matched.
Zenyatta was pointing to The Breeders Cup which was in California. If the Breeders Cup was at Belmont, Zenyatta would have run in New York all year. Z's connections were ready to go in the Beldame until RA dropped out of the race. Why fly across country and back before the Breeder's Cup just to beat Music Note again?
Why can't we all love both girls? Playful RA and showgirl Miss Z. Between them, they've achieved great things and run their hearts out doing it.
Whatever you might think of their owners' decisions, don't knock either horse. Just be glad they're safe and well and have given performances worth arguing about!
I agree tallbillyboy, but I would rather see it at the classic mile and a quarter and Zen would win by whatever Mike would let her. At one and a half miles Zenyatta would leave Rachel in her dust. The only chance that I see for Rachel to possibly beat her would be less than one and one eighth and Mike wait too late to move.
uh ya sure RA has won against colts three times, but all those three year old colts Zen just beat and also a english champion and a turf champion RA is a good horse, but she isn't unbeaten and I believe Zen could beat RA, also Ra has raced at Keeneland so she didn;t have much of an excuse to not be at the classic
Not to take a thing away fr. Ms. Zen she is phenomenal but...Talk to me when she runs somewhere other than Cali'...Mos' Def' Ms. Rach' will be H.O.Y.!
Contrary to popular belief among the RA fans, Ms Zen has run outside of California where she happily demolished a quality field that included the previous year's older female champion by her largest winning margin to date. Look up the 2008 Apple Blossom Handicap at Oaklawn Park for more information.
I Have been in racing since 1972....the answer to me is OBVIOUS Zenyatta hands down...I agree with GB she spotted the best older males in world several lengths and ran right by them...do you guy EVEN KNOW HOW to convert fractional splits or project times at greater distances ?
This MONSTER is consistenly running sub 24 second last quarters....when I project her times out to a mile and a half BELIEVE OR NOT she's only about 4 to 5 lenghts back of Secretariat
After watching Zenyatta run down and blow by the very best male's in the world in the Breeders Cup Classic, some of those male's much faster than Rachael, imo, I don't care if they race in a Winn Dixie parking lot, Zenyatta would do the same thing to Rachael. Rachael was nearly beaten in the Preakness by a deep closer, Mine That Bird, and in the Woodward by a deep closer, Macho Again. Both races, especially the Woodward, she hung on. Does anyone think MTB or MA is a better closer then Zenyatta?
A match race would not be a fair to both fillies, to different styles of racing.. In a match race speed wins the race Rachel Alexandra would win, in a regular race I have no idea who would win but it would be something to see ..
Alexandra may have the quickest start of any horse but Zenyatta runs with a lot of heart. what she did against the word's best, all stallions, was possibly most impressive performance to date. so I'm not sure. only way to know is to race.
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Who cares they will never meet on the track. Both are inferior to STS anyway. bit like asking who would win between Navratilova and Serena Williams and Ali turns up to whip both their female asses easily
It was said months before the cup that rachel would not enter it cuz of the synthetic. Rachel could take on any challenge. but im still wondering. who would win????
RA and ruffian,same age. RA is being compared to another horse(zenyata) and then it's settled a match race...i'm afraid what you're saying coul happen to RA...
really? What about Zenyatta being undefeated? What about Zenyatta's Breeders' Cup win? Why's Rachel Alexandra not going to the Breeders' Cup? Because her owners know she'd lose to Zenyatta.
rachel is the better horse, she has beaten the winner of the derby and the belmont without bating an eye. at the end of the haskel, she was galloping so slowly, she cantered arcoss the line, in the lead.
Zenyatta wins by just enough, not a blowout like Rachel, but who has she beaten really? A longshot Derby winner and an unknown colt before the Belmont? Who has Zenyatta beaten... Hystericalady, Ginger Punch, Music Note, Dawn After Dawn, Life Is Sweet, and many MANY others.
Zenyatta has beaten older FEMALE horses where as Rachel beat older MALE horses. Zenyatta won the Distaff, if rachel was going into the cup, it would be in Classic. Rachel isnt running in the Classic because the owners don't like the synthetic surface.
No, it's because they're afraid of unbeaten Zenyatta. A winning streak of what is it now.... 12 races, 10 of them being graded stakes races. Rachel record, 14: 11-2-0, she lost to maidens and grade III horses. Rachel is ducking Zenyatta. Face it.
It's soooo hard to pick one of the two since they are such amazing horses! People who underrate one of these great horses' performances for the sake of arguing their choice are imbeciles! Though I must say, I'm leaning on the Rachel Alexandra side since we share the same first name. :) Completely unbiased opinion, there! :)
Why is this even a debate. You have a mature mare against a little gurl! Not even a contest. Let's just look at a distance they both have raced at OAKLAWN - 1 1/16 Zen's time is 1:42 3/5 RA time is 1:43 2/5 Both on a hand ride. Borel was more relaxed because he knows he is racing against real dogs 3 year old fillies.
OK - that means Zen is 4 to 5 lengths ahead of Rachel. Just imagine if it was a longer distance, Rachel would just be another filly that the big mare inhales. LOL
Zenyatta has run against well established grade 1 mares...while rachel has only run against 3 year old...Zenyatta will inhale her like any lil girl that run against the big mare.. its not even a contest...rachel's handlers knows this that is why they are skipping the breeders..
Do you mean Ginger Punch, Hysterical Lady? They were older mares already past their prime. Rachel has beaten colts, three year olds or not, they are still colts. She won the Preakness over a track she didn't even like, against colts! And in winning this race, she became the only horse in history to win on the outside position, the first filly in 85 years to win. How about the Mother Goose? Where she destroyed Ruffian's margin of victory record by 5 3/4 lengths?
Where she defeated the track record and was less than a second off of the immortal Secretariat's record over this distance? How about the Haskell? In the slop, she wins by six lengths over colts again! And was only .20 seconds off the track record, that means if she had run in the 42 runnings of the Haskell, she would have won 41 times.
And by the way, Rachel's owners aren't ducking the Breeders Cup because of Zenyatta, it's the track. RA doesn't like synthetics, and her owners won't put her in discomfort just for the hopes of a good race.
sugarmoron...you still keep making a fool of yourself!! rachel is fine with the surface..its jackson who does not like it..so stop your crying and whining...everybody knows why rachel is not going to the breeders...its ZENYATTA!!!!!
Again, with the name fixation. What is your problem? Do you pride yourself in making a complete fool of yourself across the internet?
You just keep repeating the same damn bullshit. There is no point in I arguing with you, you will just keep fighting with immature and ignorant tactics. You have absolutely no support! This is all YOUR opinion. Jackson has even stated that RA doesn't like the synthetic surface.
You're too close minded with your affections for Zenyatta.
I think it would depend on the pace of the race. If its a fast pace Zenyatta would probably win and with a slow pace Rachel might win. The thing is older horse usually have an advantage againts 3 year olds. In a match race I would definately take Rachel Alexandra.
To me, I've never really seen what Zenyatta can do, because she's never really had to try hard to win, most of her effort is put in in the last 10-20 seconds of the race. I believe Zenyatta could stay 10 lengths behind RA then make her power move within the last 10-20 seconds and win against RA.
rachael she won so many races and by so many lengths she raced boys and won in the preakness zenyatta hasnt raced colts let alone triple crown colts and pixypoet is right she still is maturing
rachel won the mother goose my 20 lengts because there where TWO OTHER HORSES! ZENYATTA HAD WAY MORE WEIGHT AND HAD MORE HORSES TO BEAT ZENYATTA COULD OF BEATEN BOYS AS WELL AS RACHEL CAN!!!! ZENYAGTTA ALL THE WAY ZENYATTA ZENYATA ZENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
I just hope they get their race together so we could satisfy our curiosities. I hope Z's owners take the risk and head out East because they've got more to lose if there's not a race between the two. "Horse of the Year" odds are currently against Z because of RA.
P.S. I think Zenyatta is an awesome racehorse. I just wish her owners would campaign her better. There's no way to tell how good she is if she keeps staying in California running against the same mares.
Whoops. I miscalculated. She won her past 7 races by a combined margin of more than 63 lengths!!! I can't find any other filly that has done this... Does anyone know the stats on this?
RA has set 5 new records in 4 graded stakes: Golden Rod (new time record), Martha Washington (new time record), Kentucky Oaks (new winning margin record), Mother Goose (new time record- FASTER than Ruffian) (new winning margin record- previously held by Ruffian). The only horse (girl OR boy) in Preakness history to win from the far outside position. She rarely gets the whip: how fast would she be if asked more?! Still young and keeps getting better, what will she be like when she matures?! WOW!!
Ok, first of all, they are both good. Unfortunately 2009 Rachel was not the same as 2010 Rachel. She may have been able to beat Zenyatta but we will never know. You can't give Rachel credit for something that has never happened. Also, if Zenyatta had raced Rachel in 2010, she would have beaten her, but Rachels owner backed out every time. We will never know, but you have to admit that Rachel is the one who came back the next year and was not even close to being the Preakness winner we all luv.
NovaEventing 11 months ago
rachel would have smoked zenyattas ass in 09 going a mile and an eighth. Big z is an amazing horse but she would never have made up the ground. nine times out of ten the speed horse wins the match race
chiptastrophe 11 months ago
@chiptastrophe
Theres only 1 race in 09' Zenyatta would have been able to catch Rachel in. That is the Woodward stakes. After a grueling season, she goes all out in this race and sets blazing fractions. She shook off Da'Tara off, then Past the Point, the Bullsbay like a tagteam in a wrestling match. Finally they took out their greatest weapon, the closer. A deep-closer, that is extremely mature like Macho Again. Yet he could't catch her still. Zenyatta is the only one that could've.
queenluciaa 11 months ago
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RuffianA101 1 year ago 2
Rachel could be in the top 5, but Zenyatta will always be number 1.
Peachycanyon 1 year ago 2
its so zenyatta
MegaHorseracer 1 year ago
richael is way better ten z richael won vs males more then once and she is a front runner wich is harder...z couldnt make twice against boys... i work in santa anita but i love richael,,, she runs great,,,,other horse that i loved was ventura, she was a great too, z is a good filly but she almost ran in california all her races,,a good horse runs any track turf or dirt .. come on z is n that good....
groomontherun 1 year ago
@groomontherun Yeah and Zenyatta practically beat all those male horses in the Classic that Rachel won against in those 3 races. Zenyatta has won 17 Graded stakes races including 13 Grade I events and has defeated 5 Champions of 8 different awards like Gio Ponti, Sealy Hill, Summer Bird, Ginger Punch, Espoir City and many more. Yeah Ventura is a nice filly:) Yeah she did run at Santa Anita, Hollywood Park and Del Mar most of her career.
RuffianA101 1 year ago
@groomontherun Also being undefeated for 19 starts is pretty impressive on any surface.Rachel never ran on turf and noor did Zenyatta so what are you talking about "a good horse runs on any track turf or dirt" I thought both mares were pretty amazing.Now Zenyatta is one of the GREATEST race horses of all times, you cant just say "oh Zenyatta isnt that good" please how about you look back on her career and see how much she accomplished.Im not against Rachel,shes a nice mare im just making a point
RuffianA101 1 year ago 3
@RuffianA101 no she isnt that good...practically she ran most of her carrer in california... and that counts.....what happen with lava man after he was claimed he started to win good races but when hwent out of california he didnt won..why cus no the best horses are i california.
groomontherun 1 year ago
@groomontherun oh wow! She is won of the top 5 best thoroughbreds in history! Who cares if she ran most of her races in CA. Any surface any time Zenyatta would beat Rachel. Rachel cant go 1 1/4m so that would be an easy win over Rachel for Zenyatta if Rachel actually came to the Classic in 09. Lava Man is great horse maybe he wasnt that great out of CA but its not like Zenyatta hasnt raced out of CA she won the Apple Blossom Handicap twice and went to the Classic 2010.
RuffianA101 1 year ago 4
@groomontherun Whoa so your saying that none of the best thoroughbreds are from CA?! Wow I can name about 10 of them off hand. Seabiscuit, Round Table, Stagehand, Citation, Noor, Two Lea, Swaps, Silky Sullivan, Zenyatta, Lookin At Lucky, oh and Lava Man:)
RuffianA101 1 year ago 4
@groomontherun And also The Pamplemousse.
RuffianA101 1 year ago 3
@groomontherun She was born in Kentucky. Get some common fucking sense.
ModelHorseMovieMaker 6 months ago
@groomontherun First of all, learn how to fucking spell. Second, ok. So, you think Zenyatta isn't that good? Ok then, you get your ass out on the track with a jockey on you and race faster than she did. Ass hole.
ModelHorseMovieMaker 6 months ago
rachael is better she has proved greatness b4 zeyatta nad beat her in horse of the year! and if they had a match race ra would be toooooo far ahead 4 zenyatta she would win by um35 lengths
8breyerlover 1 year ago
@8breyerlover Um I believe Zenyatta prooved greatness before Rachel, Zenyatta had already won multiple G1 races way before Rachel started getting her big wins. Yes she did beat her in HOY but that doesnt proove that Rachel is a better horse than Zenyatta, Rachel got HOY because she won the Preakness, Haskel and the Woodward against older males and the East had more voters than the West for HOY.
RuffianA101 1 year ago
@8breyerlover And 35 lengths is alittle bit pushing it, Zenyatta would sit a couple of lengths off of Rachel then Zenyatta would have that power house move in the stretch. Rachel would put up a fight then loose the lead like she did in the New Orleans Ladies, La Troienne Stakes and the Personal Ensign Stakes then Zenyatta would win by a couple of lengths. Rachel is and amazing horse she captured hearts of millions but comparing the two I would have to say Zenyatta for all those amazing wins!
RuffianA101 1 year ago
@8breyerlover yes reachel is wayyyy better....
groomontherun 1 year ago
@groomontherun you are crazy i dont think racheal sured be on the track rigth now zenyatta gets to be there
MegaHorseracer 1 year ago
@MegaHorseracer
Jesus you guys. Rachel should've had a retirement parade, you act as if the horse was one of the allowance fillies Zenyatta beat xD
queenluciaa 1 year ago
@queenluciaa wasn't Persistently an allowance filly?
Peachycanyon 1 year ago
@Peachycanyon
Allowance fillies don't compete in the BCLC, or win it for that matter...
queenluciaa 1 year ago
@queenluciaa what are you trying to say? Rachel got beat by an allowance filly and that same filly finished up the track in the BCLC.
Peachycanyon 1 year ago
@Peachycanyon
I'm trying to say, neither Unrivaled Beller or Persistently are allowance horses. It's odd though, the horse Zenyatta beat [Zardana] who had previously beaten Rachel Alexandra, didn't show up for the BC. Coincidence?
queenluciaa 1 year ago
@queenluciaa Zardana just ran for the first time since June, so she was probably injured or something. Unless you can come up with an explanation that makes more sense. And going into the PE, Persistently was an allowance filly. Had she won a grade 1 or even any stakes race for that matter, then you could say Rachel got beat by a non-allowance horse. Nothing will change her record going into the PE and I'd be shocked if she ever wins another graded stakes race.
Peachycanyon 1 year ago
@queenluciaa rachel doesnt want to run a mile and a quarter. In the personal ensign she ran head and head with life at ten for a mile and shook that bitch off like she was standing still at the qurter pole. she just doesnt want to go that far. Plus word on the backside at churchill was that rachel had a chip taken out of her ankle after the woodward. thats why she didn't run for six months. The public wasn't privy to that knowledge.
chiptastrophe 11 months ago
@8breyerlover i agree. reachel is better..
groomontherun 1 year ago
Trying to compare RAchel to Zenyatta is a travesty.
nbsbb2009 1 year ago
Rachel Alexandra
DegixHorse 1 year ago
I think it is becoming clearer as time passes that Rachel as a 4yr old already has several losses while Zenyatta as a 6yr old has none. Also Rachel was beaten in her 1st race this year by Zardana who has been beaten by Zenyatta. It's safe to say now that Zenyatta is the better horse.
bbobading 1 year ago
Fairly certain they are both considered mares now.
abetts00 1 year ago
I love both horses but to tell you the truth we will never know who's better even if the did race because the have two totally different running styles. RA - Front Runner/ Zen - Closer. Zenyatta has always been off the pace, Rachel has always been on the pace the only way we will know who is better,{I know this might sound crazy} is if the raced against each other twice. the first one with their normal running style & the second one Swapped RA - Closer/ Zen - Front runner
latinostallion94 1 year ago
the Super Filly :D
Jaxton98 1 year ago
how do you compare two champs that duffer in age by two years? one has always been safely managed except for the b.c. last year.the younger filly had a year to remember as a three year old.i guess i would have to say that zen is the best in the west and rachel is the best in the east.
rcherasaro 1 year ago
Zenyatta could totally whip rachel. Zenyatta runs with it all, and her ears are pricked showing that she has even more.
meandmyhorse97 1 year ago
@meandmyhorse97 yerrrr woopp go zenyatta
carlas1995 1 year ago
I THINK ZENYATTA IS WAY BETTER THAN RA.
AKM1007 1 year ago
@AKM1007 woopppp me to yay
carlas1995 1 year ago
17-17
spzenyatta14 1 year ago
Per your byline..just copy it over and date it one year later! You must be really impressed by STILL undefeated Zenyatta who just mastered her THIRD VANITY. First time one horse has won the Vanity 3 times. (Rachel just won for the first time in 3 races) I know who the better horse is so I will just dedicate this video to Zenyatta the champ like I did last year:)Love ya Zenny, you're the BEST!
Tammicat21 1 year ago
Zenyatta in a landslide!!!
The "2009 Hoax of the Year" can't beat a field of 5 in the "New Orleans Ladies" and can't beat a field of 6 in the "La Troienne".
All these Rachel Alexandra fans sound like these creeps that get caught on "To Catch A Predator". I feel like Chris Hansen listening to their pathetic excuses.
DBJMKJ 1 year ago
Zenyatta =) (i love Rachel too but I know more about Zenyatta) =P
gottogobreyer 1 year ago
my girly girl ZENYATTA!!!!!!!
ThePaysonkeeler 1 year ago
Queen Z- says it all, doesn;t it?
thorobredfan 1 year ago
Rachel Alexandra is not running in the Apple Blossom as of now
RuffianA101 1 year ago
Why who is better. Both are special in their own way. To bad others jump to criticizing before finding things out.
Duhru4real2 1 year ago
@Duhru4real2 wow, only NICE thing you have ever said!
21Sarabi 1 year ago
Queen Z by far perfect 15 for 15 lifetime against the toughest company around... You can say she is the best... Rachel has lost and lost today at Fair Grounds to Zardanya (BRZ)... So I think Rachel has lost alot and needs to gain it all in 3 weeks if the Rachel Zenyatta showdown is to happen...
yankeesfan2006 1 year ago
Zenyatta
babypenny9 1 year ago
Zenyatta :)
horseracer18 1 year ago
zenyatta duh!
pekazu2 1 year ago
Zenyatta ofcourse..
Jessicaa050694 1 year ago
DUHRU4REAL is a douche who thinks he knows it all
ilovevsboy25 1 year ago
What does the Derby have to do with it? Rachel didn't win in or run in the Derby, she ran in (and won) three races against the males--Preakness, Haskell and Woodward.
I still think both are fantastic, though. I want both of them to run in a race and win a dead heat, heh heh.
TXRider 2 years ago
They will race in the 2010 Apple Blossom Invitational, in April 3rd.
I am for Zenyatta !!!
GO ZENYATTA, keep undefeated !!!
crazy4horses11 1 year ago
The Apple Blossom has been moved to April 9th to accomodate Rachel Alexandra b/c of her layoff (a little biased, but 6 days aren't a big difference). Go Rachel, go! I hope they meet again in another stakes
TXRider 1 year ago
personally, i am a Zenyatta fan but i am interested in watching Rachel to see what she has 2 bring before us. BOTH fillies are amazing and have proven so. there's no need to hate one or the other. people who say mean things about the other horse are not true horselovers at all. respect the game, love the horses. simple.
H0rseL0ver15 2 years ago 2
What does Zen have to do to win HOY? Win at 1-1/4 mile? against the best boys in the world? in the BC Classic?.... oh wait..she's already done that! Unfortunately, I highly doubt we'll see her against RA anytime soon. Jess Jackson was already making excuses right after he won the Eclipse. "The Apple Blossom is a bit soon to have RA ready". WTF !!!!! It's only january and he can't have his horse fit by MAY? he can train his horse until May of 2011 and she'll never be ready to face Zenyatta.
zaylana 2 years ago
rachel is a talented filly but zenyatta is more experienced +zenyatta's owners entered her n the breeders cup when rachel failed 2 appear so they must have more faith n her so she must b good
lucy2785 2 years ago
Raquel alexandra is the Best Filly Ever.!
mountvermont 2 years ago
Well If She Proves She Can Beat the Best Mare Ever She Maybe , But She Wont Beat Her LOL
ZenyattaLuver 2 years ago
In a match race, which would be unfair to Zenyatta she would lose to Rachel by 5 or 10 lengths, if the race were in a regular field Rachel by 3 lengths or more, the race would shape up like the Oaks, Mother Goose and Haskell, the Preakness and Woodward were races were Rachel was on the lead for a reason, the 13 post and the older horse boxing her in. In a race fro 8-12 furlongs Zenyatta would be over matched.
dubby300 2 years ago 3
Zenyatta was pointing to The Breeders Cup which was in California. If the Breeders Cup was at Belmont, Zenyatta would have run in New York all year. Z's connections were ready to go in the Beldame until RA dropped out of the race. Why fly across country and back before the Breeder's Cup just to beat Music Note again?
keybender 2 years ago
Star girl Z ran outside of Ca only ONCE!!! That is it!!
bombomb09 2 years ago
Well i am a big , big fan of Zenyatta .
if they where in a match race i think that Rachel Alexandra will see Zenyatta's butt
because Zenyatta will win on a match race of this 2 great fillys
crazy4horses11 2 years ago
Why can't we all love both girls? Playful RA and showgirl Miss Z. Between them, they've achieved great things and run their hearts out doing it.
Whatever you might think of their owners' decisions, don't knock either horse. Just be glad they're safe and well and have given performances worth arguing about!
Koshkamitsu 2 years ago 2
I agree tallbillyboy, but I would rather see it at the classic mile and a quarter and Zen would win by whatever Mike would let her. At one and a half miles Zenyatta would leave Rachel in her dust. The only chance that I see for Rachel to possibly beat her would be less than one and one eighth and Mike wait too late to move.
terrydwight47 2 years ago
A race with a field of 10 on genuine dirt at 1 1/8 miles would provide the answer..
I would predict Zenyatta by 2 lengths...
tallbillyboy 2 years ago 2
Who's better, Rachel Alexandra or Zenyatta? That's easy, in a word, Zenyatta.
GBeret83 2 years ago 11
Zenyatta all the way!!!! You go girl!
BarrelRacingDevil 2 years ago
Big Z all the wayyyy
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npspec34 2 years ago 2
uh ya sure RA has won against colts three times, but all those three year old colts Zen just beat and also a english champion and a turf champion RA is a good horse, but she isn't unbeaten and I believe Zen could beat RA, also Ra has raced at Keeneland so she didn;t have much of an excuse to not be at the classic
ginger55611111 2 years ago 6
Not to take a thing away fr. Ms. Zen she is phenomenal but...Talk to me when she runs somewhere other than Cali'...Mos' Def' Ms. Rach' will be H.O.Y.!
ClassyLez 2 years ago
Contrary to popular belief among the RA fans, Ms Zen has run outside of California where she happily demolished a quality field that included the previous year's older female champion by her largest winning margin to date. Look up the 2008 Apple Blossom Handicap at Oaklawn Park for more information.
StarGirl11 2 years ago 2
finnaly Zenyata vs Rachel
lucifirestarter 2 years ago
Rachel Alexandra. :P she proved herself against the boys 3 times and Zenyatta only once. I love them both tho.
RidingWithRuffian 2 years ago
zenyatta is better
animaluver981 2 years ago
I Have been in racing since 1972....the answer to me is OBVIOUS Zenyatta hands down...I agree with GB she spotted the best older males in world several lengths and ran right by them...do you guy EVEN KNOW HOW to convert fractional splits or project times at greater distances ?
This MONSTER is consistenly running sub 24 second last quarters....when I project her times out to a mile and a half BELIEVE OR NOT she's only about 4 to 5 lenghts back of Secretariat
renduke 2 years ago
After watching Zenyatta run down and blow by the very best male's in the world in the Breeders Cup Classic, some of those male's much faster than Rachael, imo, I don't care if they race in a Winn Dixie parking lot, Zenyatta would do the same thing to Rachael. Rachael was nearly beaten in the Preakness by a deep closer, Mine That Bird, and in the Woodward by a deep closer, Macho Again. Both races, especially the Woodward, she hung on. Does anyone think MTB or MA is a better closer then Zenyatta?
GBeret83 2 years ago
I wont too see match race Rachel Alexandra vs. Zenyatta!!! Serbia wont this race!!!
MyLjuba 2 years ago
All i have to say You cant win them all unless you are undefeated so GO ZENYATTA
pavalko2303 2 years ago 2
A match race would not be a fair to both fillies, to different styles of racing.. In a match race speed wins the race Rachel Alexandra would win, in a regular race I have no idea who would win but it would be something to see ..
javierga98 2 years ago
Alexandra may have the quickest start of any horse but Zenyatta runs with a lot of heart. what she did against the word's best, all stallions, was possibly most impressive performance to date. so I'm not sure. only way to know is to race.
dhom100 2 years ago
after ruffian in 1975..... no more match race
lagarto791 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Who cares they will never meet on the track. Both are inferior to STS anyway. bit like asking who would win between Navratilova and Serena Williams and Ali turns up to whip both their female asses easily
naashead 2 years ago
Youre right cause the last time there was a match race (Ruffian and The boy horse) look what happened.
PureAssets 2 years ago
At a mile and a quarter RIP was right on STS butt. At a mile and a quarter Zen blew RIPs doors off. Ali is the Zenyatta of boxing.
jpsbman 2 years ago
It was said months before the cup that rachel would not enter it cuz of the synthetic. Rachel could take on any challenge. but im still wondering. who would win????
SamiThePsycho 2 years ago
Can't let this happen.. it'll be scary seeing RA go down. :(
CPProductions13 2 years ago
Zenyatta, but Im afraid what would happen like Ruffian.
CPProductions13 2 years ago
That could happen to RA,just read:
RA and ruffian,same age. RA is being compared to another horse(zenyata) and then it's settled a match race...i'm afraid what you're saying coul happen to RA...
ginita105 2 years ago
Exactly me too
PureAssets 2 years ago
this is like asking which half of my dog i'd want to keep- both!
jersygirl11 2 years ago
No match race. Remember Ruffian! Both these horses are marvelous. Period.
oldshirley 2 years ago
Yea,i'm afraid of that too, but you gotta move on, we can't think that in the match race could happen the same that happened to ruffian, can we?
ginita105 2 years ago
what about Barbaro or Go For Wand? They both broke down just running in a regular(sort of) race.
Barbaro2012 2 years ago
yea.. :/
ginita105 2 years ago
Amazing video!
Go Zenyatta!!!!!
KathrynAnne454 2 years ago
both are amazing
i dont think anyone can tell who will win
although i would want zen to...
greysanatomyfreak101 2 years ago
RACHEL ALEXANDRA IS BETTER !
Erbblume 2 years ago
really? What about Zenyatta being undefeated? What about Zenyatta's Breeders' Cup win? Why's Rachel Alexandra not going to the Breeders' Cup? Because her owners know she'd lose to Zenyatta.
Barbaro2012 2 years ago
I think Zenyatta's better
ilovelexy11 2 years ago
rachel is the better horse, she has beaten the winner of the derby and the belmont without bating an eye. at the end of the haskel, she was galloping so slowly, she cantered arcoss the line, in the lead.
IisHorses 2 years ago
Zenyatta wins by just enough, not a blowout like Rachel, but who has she beaten really? A longshot Derby winner and an unknown colt before the Belmont? Who has Zenyatta beaten... Hystericalady, Ginger Punch, Music Note, Dawn After Dawn, Life Is Sweet, and many MANY others.
Barbaro2012 2 years ago
Zenyatta has beaten older FEMALE horses where as Rachel beat older MALE horses. Zenyatta won the Distaff, if rachel was going into the cup, it would be in Classic. Rachel isnt running in the Classic because the owners don't like the synthetic surface.
IisHorses 2 years ago
No, it's because they're afraid of unbeaten Zenyatta. A winning streak of what is it now.... 12 races, 10 of them being graded stakes races. Rachel record, 14: 11-2-0, she lost to maidens and grade III horses. Rachel is ducking Zenyatta. Face it.
Barbaro2012 2 years ago
No they're not!
ginita105 2 years ago
Oh no :( Wish she would...
ginita105 2 years ago
It's soooo hard to pick one of the two since they are such amazing horses! People who underrate one of these great horses' performances for the sake of arguing their choice are imbeciles! Though I must say, I'm leaning on the Rachel Alexandra side since we share the same first name. :) Completely unbiased opinion, there! :)
SmartyJones93 2 years ago
ZENYATTA!!!!!!
ramirordz21 2 years ago
BOTH!!!
horsebreedingfan2 2 years ago
Great Fillies rarely beat Great Mares. The percentages throughout history have always favored the mares
DBJMKJ 2 years ago
Why is this even a debate. You have a mature mare against a little gurl! Not even a contest. Let's just look at a distance they both have raced at OAKLAWN - 1 1/16 Zen's time is 1:42 3/5 RA time is 1:43 2/5 Both on a hand ride. Borel was more relaxed because he knows he is racing against real dogs 3 year old fillies.
OK - that means Zen is 4 to 5 lengths ahead of Rachel. Just imagine if it was a longer distance, Rachel would just be another filly that the big mare inhales. LOL
amueller1957 2 years ago
put Zenyatta in the preakness and see what happens then i will make my choice.
simpsonluva 2 years ago
you must be really stupid!! lol....
why dont we put rachel in a dog race instead!! lol
6deerhunter5 2 years ago
Zenyatta has run against well established grade 1 mares...while rachel has only run against 3 year old...Zenyatta will inhale her like any lil girl that run against the big mare.. its not even a contest...rachel's handlers knows this that is why they are skipping the breeders..
6deerhunter5 2 years ago
Do you mean Ginger Punch, Hysterical Lady? They were older mares already past their prime. Rachel has beaten colts, three year olds or not, they are still colts. She won the Preakness over a track she didn't even like, against colts! And in winning this race, she became the only horse in history to win on the outside position, the first filly in 85 years to win. How about the Mother Goose? Where she destroyed Ruffian's margin of victory record by 5 3/4 lengths?
sugarpuppy137 2 years ago 2
sugarmoron...these colts she is beating are nobodies...wait till she runs against quality road or i want revenge...
oh wait...jackson is going to avoid these horses like the plague..hahahahahahahahaha
6deerhunter5 2 years ago
Where she defeated the track record and was less than a second off of the immortal Secretariat's record over this distance? How about the Haskell? In the slop, she wins by six lengths over colts again! And was only .20 seconds off the track record, that means if she had run in the 42 runnings of the Haskell, she would have won 41 times.
sugarpuppy137 2 years ago
sugarmoron...a super horse that is ducking the world championship breeders..yeah sure..she is only beating mediocre 3 year old...lololol
6deerhunter5 2 years ago
Yeah, and they're colts.
Who has Zenyatta beaten? Older FEMALE horses, that were past their prime.
I'm not saying Zenyatta isn't good, she is a brilliant racer, and along with Quality Road, are the greatest challenges for RA.
But their match is not going to be in the BC because it would be very stupid to run her against a horse like Zenyatta, over a track she doesn't like!
I am through arguing with your insistent ignorance, your affections for Zenyatta is clouding your judgement.
sugarpuppy137 2 years ago
And by the way, Rachel's owners aren't ducking the Breeders Cup because of Zenyatta, it's the track. RA doesn't like synthetics, and her owners won't put her in discomfort just for the hopes of a good race.
sugarpuppy137 2 years ago
sugarmoron...you still keep making a fool of yourself!! rachel is fine with the surface..its jackson who does not like it..so stop your crying and whining...everybody knows why rachel is not going to the breeders...its ZENYATTA!!!!!
6deerhunter5 2 years ago
Again, with the name fixation. What is your problem? Do you pride yourself in making a complete fool of yourself across the internet?
You just keep repeating the same damn bullshit. There is no point in I arguing with you, you will just keep fighting with immature and ignorant tactics. You have absolutely no support! This is all YOUR opinion. Jackson has even stated that RA doesn't like the synthetic surface.
You're too close minded with your affections for Zenyatta.
sugarpuppy137 2 years ago
just like the underdog Sunday Silence beat and broke EasyGoer, Zenyatta will beat overrated rachel.
long live the heart and fight of the westcoast ! SUNDAY SILENCE AND ZENYATTA
1800s 2 years ago 2
RACHEL ALEXANDRA.
duh.
mdubs216 2 years ago
ZENYATTA!
Horses4ever8 2 years ago
I posted a video for this called Zenyatta:closest since ruffian
BeachMist13 2 years ago
ok, can u try to post that video again i didnt get it
Thank You :)
RuffianA101 2 years ago
I think it would depend on the pace of the race. If its a fast pace Zenyatta would probably win and with a slow pace Rachel might win. The thing is older horse usually have an advantage againts 3 year olds. In a match race I would definately take Rachel Alexandra.
AlexandraTheGreaT1 2 years ago
In a match race, I would definitely pick Zenyatta.
kimster110110 2 years ago
Rachel Alexandra has speed and in a match race speed kills. Zenyatta would have to try and keep up with her and that would hurt her late kick.
AlexandraTheGreaT1 2 years ago 3
To me, I've never really seen what Zenyatta can do, because she's never really had to try hard to win, most of her effort is put in in the last 10-20 seconds of the race. I believe Zenyatta could stay 10 lengths behind RA then make her power move within the last 10-20 seconds and win against RA.
kimster110110 2 years ago
rachael she won so many races and by so many lengths she raced boys and won in the preakness zenyatta hasnt raced colts let alone triple crown colts and pixypoet is right she still is maturing
runwildnfree 2 years ago
Well I can say I like both fillies. They aer fast undefeated and every race fan likes them both :D
robynchoochoo 2 years ago
Can't wait to see those ladies in the same race! Let the day descide for me..
Nice vid!
blisscanbebeautiful 2 years ago
ZENYATTA! :D
jeremyrosefan 2 years ago
Rachel Alexandra is clearly the better filly. Zenyatta is a mare. Nice vid though.
keybender 2 years ago
I love them both-- but Rachel Alexandra has my heart.
gallantbloom 2 years ago
rachel won the mother goose my 20 lengts because there where TWO OTHER HORSES! ZENYATTA HAD WAY MORE WEIGHT AND HAD MORE HORSES TO BEAT ZENYATTA COULD OF BEATEN BOYS AS WELL AS RACHEL CAN!!!! ZENYAGTTA ALL THE WAY ZENYATTA ZENYATA ZENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
breyer4life 2 years ago
100% Agree With You Lol
Zenyattaaaa
ZenyattaLuver 2 years ago
Coulda woulda shoulda. ;)
Just kidding.
ThePixiePoet 2 years ago
I just hope they get their race together so we could satisfy our curiosities. I hope Z's owners take the risk and head out East because they've got more to lose if there's not a race between the two. "Horse of the Year" odds are currently against Z because of RA.
ThePixiePoet 2 years ago
Not anymore! Rachel missing the Breeders will cost her HOY specially if Zen wins the Ladies or the Classic. That is the rumor!!
curribot69 2 years ago
P.S. I think Zenyatta is an awesome racehorse. I just wish her owners would campaign her better. There's no way to tell how good she is if she keeps staying in California running against the same mares.
ThePixiePoet 2 years ago
RA has won her past 7 races by a combined margin of 39 1/2 lengths.
ThePixiePoet 2 years ago 2
Whoops. I miscalculated. She won her past 7 races by a combined margin of more than 63 lengths!!! I can't find any other filly that has done this... Does anyone know the stats on this?
ThePixiePoet 2 years ago
RA has set 5 new records in 4 graded stakes: Golden Rod (new time record), Martha Washington (new time record), Kentucky Oaks (new winning margin record), Mother Goose (new time record- FASTER than Ruffian) (new winning margin record- previously held by Ruffian). The only horse (girl OR boy) in Preakness history to win from the far outside position. She rarely gets the whip: how fast would she be if asked more?! Still young and keeps getting better, what will she be like when she matures?! WOW!!
ThePixiePoet 2 years ago 2
Zenyatta...Zenyatta... Zenyatta....:D
horseyaddicted 2 years ago
Rachel Alexandra
BlackHorse0688 2 years ago 4
Zenyattaaaaaaa
MasterCraftsManLuver 2 years ago