It's only when the false is seen as the false, truth is.
I understand some people are coping with this depersonalization thing. It's not a disorder though. It happens when you realize that everything you think you know isn't necessarily so. You become hyper conscious. You see the truth as it is. You see the world without this pre-programmed filter in your mind. It is one step towards enlightenment.
3. This reality is the "outermost" reality. We know that this is the world, and that the world is finite. We can situate ourselves within it. But then what does it mean to be situated WITHIN this world, when there is no other world, when there is literally nothing else?
2. At the same time, knowing that you can never fully access the world (reality) as it is in itself. Theres no such thing as transparent perception. Perception has a FORM. When we represent reality to ourselves we always have to represent it in a certain WAY. So we may feel that we are never in "direct" contact with the world that we know is real, and this is distressing. We may feel that we are perpetually LOSING the only world we know is there.
Here's are three ways I have of expressing this kind of feeling to myself. I think it can be a really VALUABLE feeling a source of meaning -- even when its distressing.
1. Not taking for granted that there IS a world. Noticing the fact that there is a world
the real question is why do you feel like the world is illusory. your "interests" are metaphors reflecting your deepest desires. a paradox: only when you fully embrace the NOW can you then trancend it;if you try to escape the here and now you will only feel the existential weight on your shoulders grow heavier and more unbearable. anyway, i really like your videos and am looking forward to your next one. check out these alan watts videos I found, I'm sure you'll like them
I've delt with depersonalization/derealization now for the past 3 years after tripping on mushrooms. I think the question that plagues us that are aware is: "This(reality) as opposed to what(non-reality)?" As you said, you don't know what it means for something to be real as we have no relativity to non-real to gauge its meaning. Everything then begins to feel fake as your meaning of reality is dependent upon its opposite to which means nothing.
Duality is a manifestation of the ego wanting to separate itself, to make definition, and draw lines. Definition is created through assignment of opposites. I think it is this obsession of what defines reality that is the core of derealization. Once the ego is removed through the realization of oneness, there is no need to define as all is one and the same. You can just be. As being then means the same as non-being.
I've found that living in the now, without future(desire) or past(regret) is what unifies the duality of meaning. Realization of the oneness that is all, the realization that nothing is of constant other than change itself, the realization that there is never any disconnection between anything, all is interdependent and never separate.
As you said, you don't know what it means for something to be real as we have no relativity to non-real to gauge its meaning. Everything then begins to feel fake as your meaning of reality is dependent upon its opposite to which means nothing. In this sense we could equally call this experience of being non-reality.
Wow...what you said makes so much sense. I've never heard anyone make that kind of observation before. There really is nothing to compare reality to other than dreams or illusions, which are copies of this reality and are not truly real. And the only reason why they are not real is because things within dreams don't follow the normal rules of physics. Things constantly change and anything is possible. That goes with saying that one cannot die within a dream as opposed to reality.
To experience only nothing, a non-reality...the concept is mind boggling because I wonder how anyone could experience "nothing." The mind is always doing something, there is always some thought there.
really good summary of the "Myth of Myself" videos with Alan Watts. Chris, you should check them out if you haven't already. Concerning feeling unified with the entire working of the cosmos that Watts speaks of has one flaw though concerning the alienation mankind feels toward the universe- we as humans are unique because unlike all the other animals we have a sense of "I" which is obviously the reason for our mental sufferings. We are personal and the universe is not.
So because the mechanisms of the universe are non-personal we as personal beings have trouble relating and do not derive much comfort from thinking in such a way. You know, like how some people say,"We are star dust." Such comments don't really offer true comfort. That is why one would do well to look past non-personal philosophies and consider the real possibilities of a personality behind the workings of the universe. Only then is there the chance of knowing unity or fullness.
I once had an episode of what your describing for about 6 months , and im still not the same, no one understood me, i was so detached i went swiming everyday becouse it made me feel more myself again. it went way but i know im still not the same.
I smoked myself into a hyper-real state. It's fucked up... I hope it goes away sometime, but I am not going to take meds or anything, it doesn't effect me very much other than my 3rd person perspective, and disconnection with physical things.
If you plan on smokin weed, don't EVER push it or over-do it, especially if it's Indica (more of a mind high)... =/ lol
Passing my time as a bum watching some brain vids...Sounds like similar kind of stuff I just looked at .....agnosias.. .synesthesia. .prosopagnesia.. .contralateral neglect
hope you're doing better..i've had social phobia/anxiety/depression since i was 15...pills did help but i only started at 27 cause i was afraid of medication..would have felt better earlier if i started earlier..it's never too late to start tho
I understand what you mean about disconnected to the world. SO many times I lose sense of reality and go through "ego-death"...where I feel like I'm in the 3rd person looking at my self like in a dream, half conscious half unconscious.
For me, I have SA, and the only time I don't feel so introspective and overanalyzing everything is when I'm asleep and dreaming. In my dreams I interact with people and don't feel anxious, but in the real world its the opposite.
Wow, really? That's cool. I always feel just as anxious, if not more, in my dreams. Unless it's a lucid dream where I know I'm dreaming. And I really like that phrase; "ego-death."
to be honest, I think many of us SA sufferers are too consumed with ourselves, too wrapped up in our own thoughts to notice how different things can be from another perspective.
However, I do believe that going inside yourself to find out where you belong and what you're capable of is what is most important. I think embracing this "depersonalization" is better in the long run, as you might find a lot of good can come from this creative mindset.
Thanks, very true about us social phobics being too wrapped us in ourselves. Sometimes I think I'm being really selfish for thinking about myself so much all the time, but I can't seem to help it; most of us have a hard time not thinking or analyzing every single thing. But yeah, I've come to the fact that derealization is not really a disorder, just a very different state of mind and seeing beyond reality to the point where it just seems so unreal.
I once read in a psychology book that the world we see while awake is really no different from the one we experience while asleep. Oh yeah, it was from that movie, "Waking Life" and something was said in there about how we're all just sleepwalking through our real lives and wakewalking through our dreams.
I was having the same problem between Sept -> Dec '07. I was becoming preoccupied with reading philosophy/science/spirituality.
An unbalanced focus on 'reality' was the problem. Without realizing it, I formed a habit of letting my mind wonder while i was talking with people, which seriously diminishes the value of the conversation. I watched Waking Life which helped me focus on what I'm doing with myself. Too much pot, reading philosphy, staying home, little exercise,
not having good conversation with friends, etc, over time changed me for the worse. Focusing on keeping busy and productive [for the day, short term and long term], fit, and having fun with your friends on a regular basis makes the day go by so easy. The mental focus also allowed me to see things as they are and as they come, moment to moment.
wow i thought i was the only 1. i too got so into philosophy & questioning life,reality,myself ect. that it became a habbit & before i knew it i was lost in my mind wich also led to anxiety. anyone with derealization has reached a higher conciouseness but at the cost of losing touch w/ the simple things in life
I have a closer shot of Canada in my camping video. Which river is that? I ocassionally have moments of feeling like I'm not real. It's hard to explain because it only lasts for a few seconds and after it's done you kinda forget what it felt like.
Yeah, same happens to me, except I seem to be in a continuous dream state, even though I know I'm not dreaming. I've basically just accepted the fact that I guess I just see reality from a different perspective. But anyway, that river is the Detroit River, I think it's also called Lake St. Claire. Guess I should know this since I've been living here for 12 years.
That's what I thought. After posting the comment I realized it was too wide to be the St. Claire river. I knew it had to be one or the other. I know what you mean. It's like you know what's happening is real but your brain sort of forgets that for a moment.
I get that feeling of disconnection sometimes. I think what makes the difference is being able to live in the moment and not in our heads. Then the world starts to look a little more real.
Yeah, know what you mean, but many times I find that I can never really live in the moment because by the time I've realized the moment, it's gone. And the world for me may sometimes seem more real, but it never seems completely real; It's as if I'm expecting the world to look more...."something." I dunno, guess it's hard to explain.
You become one with the universe.
cyrndoh 2 months ago
It's only when the false is seen as the false, truth is.
I understand some people are coping with this depersonalization thing. It's not a disorder though. It happens when you realize that everything you think you know isn't necessarily so. You become hyper conscious. You see the truth as it is. You see the world without this pre-programmed filter in your mind. It is one step towards enlightenment.
Love is truth.
cyrndoh 2 months ago
Hey this park was in your painting. The one with the plugs chasing the rabbit.
LadiiOri 1 year ago
We are the awareness of reality. Thank you for sharing brother. I enjoy this personable honest and humble expression
SOCRATES012 1 year ago
3. This reality is the "outermost" reality. We know that this is the world, and that the world is finite. We can situate ourselves within it. But then what does it mean to be situated WITHIN this world, when there is no other world, when there is literally nothing else?
mayakronfeld 3 years ago
2. At the same time, knowing that you can never fully access the world (reality) as it is in itself. Theres no such thing as transparent perception. Perception has a FORM. When we represent reality to ourselves we always have to represent it in a certain WAY. So we may feel that we are never in "direct" contact with the world that we know is real, and this is distressing. We may feel that we are perpetually LOSING the only world we know is there.
mayakronfeld 3 years ago
Here's are three ways I have of expressing this kind of feeling to myself. I think it can be a really VALUABLE feeling a source of meaning -- even when its distressing.
1. Not taking for granted that there IS a world. Noticing the fact that there is a world
mayakronfeld 3 years ago
the real question is why do you feel like the world is illusory. your "interests" are metaphors reflecting your deepest desires. a paradox: only when you fully embrace the NOW can you then trancend it;if you try to escape the here and now you will only feel the existential weight on your shoulders grow heavier and more unbearable. anyway, i really like your videos and am looking forward to your next one. check out these alan watts videos I found, I'm sure you'll like them
mathiasgandy 3 years ago
I've delt with depersonalization/derealization now for the past 3 years after tripping on mushrooms. I think the question that plagues us that are aware is: "This(reality) as opposed to what(non-reality)?" As you said, you don't know what it means for something to be real as we have no relativity to non-real to gauge its meaning. Everything then begins to feel fake as your meaning of reality is dependent upon its opposite to which means nothing.
scula 3 years ago 2
Duality is a manifestation of the ego wanting to separate itself, to make definition, and draw lines. Definition is created through assignment of opposites. I think it is this obsession of what defines reality that is the core of derealization. Once the ego is removed through the realization of oneness, there is no need to define as all is one and the same. You can just be. As being then means the same as non-being.
scula 3 years ago
I've found that living in the now, without future(desire) or past(regret) is what unifies the duality of meaning. Realization of the oneness that is all, the realization that nothing is of constant other than change itself, the realization that there is never any disconnection between anything, all is interdependent and never separate.
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scula 3 years ago
As you said, you don't know what it means for something to be real as we have no relativity to non-real to gauge its meaning. Everything then begins to feel fake as your meaning of reality is dependent upon its opposite to which means nothing. In this sense we could equally call this experience of being non-reality.
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scula 3 years ago
Wow...what you said makes so much sense. I've never heard anyone make that kind of observation before. There really is nothing to compare reality to other than dreams or illusions, which are copies of this reality and are not truly real. And the only reason why they are not real is because things within dreams don't follow the normal rules of physics. Things constantly change and anything is possible. That goes with saying that one cannot die within a dream as opposed to reality.
ConsciousCloud 3 years ago
To experience only nothing, a non-reality...the concept is mind boggling because I wonder how anyone could experience "nothing." The mind is always doing something, there is always some thought there.
ConsciousCloud 3 years ago
really good summary of the "Myth of Myself" videos with Alan Watts. Chris, you should check them out if you haven't already. Concerning feeling unified with the entire working of the cosmos that Watts speaks of has one flaw though concerning the alienation mankind feels toward the universe- we as humans are unique because unlike all the other animals we have a sense of "I" which is obviously the reason for our mental sufferings. We are personal and the universe is not.
mathiasgandy 3 years ago
So because the mechanisms of the universe are non-personal we as personal beings have trouble relating and do not derive much comfort from thinking in such a way. You know, like how some people say,"We are star dust." Such comments don't really offer true comfort. That is why one would do well to look past non-personal philosophies and consider the real possibilities of a personality behind the workings of the universe. Only then is there the chance of knowing unity or fullness.
mathiasgandy 3 years ago
You are realizing the truth!!! The illuminati has made us have this false reality. PLEASE RESEARCH THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
PeaceLoveEternity 3 years ago
this dudes got more trouble other than sadO.o
youpussy9 3 years ago
I once had an episode of what your describing for about 6 months , and im still not the same, no one understood me, i was so detached i went swiming everyday becouse it made me feel more myself again. it went way but i know im still not the same.
tazi401 3 years ago
I smoked myself into a hyper-real state. It's fucked up... I hope it goes away sometime, but I am not going to take meds or anything, it doesn't effect me very much other than my 3rd person perspective, and disconnection with physical things.
If you plan on smokin weed, don't EVER push it or over-do it, especially if it's Indica (more of a mind high)... =/ lol
LyadinDima 3 years ago
Passing my time as a bum watching some brain vids...Sounds like similar kind of stuff I just looked at .....agnosias.. .synesthesia. .prosopagnesia.. .contralateral neglect
ShalloeThought 4 years ago
hope you're doing better..i've had social phobia/anxiety/depression since i was 15...pills did help but i only started at 27 cause i was afraid of medication..would have felt better earlier if i started earlier..it's never too late to start tho
take care
jazzmanEE 4 years ago
I understand what you mean about disconnected to the world. SO many times I lose sense of reality and go through "ego-death"...where I feel like I'm in the 3rd person looking at my self like in a dream, half conscious half unconscious.
For me, I have SA, and the only time I don't feel so introspective and overanalyzing everything is when I'm asleep and dreaming. In my dreams I interact with people and don't feel anxious, but in the real world its the opposite.
nwavedesign 4 years ago
Wow, really? That's cool. I always feel just as anxious, if not more, in my dreams. Unless it's a lucid dream where I know I'm dreaming. And I really like that phrase; "ego-death."
ConsciousCloud 4 years ago
to be honest, I think many of us SA sufferers are too consumed with ourselves, too wrapped up in our own thoughts to notice how different things can be from another perspective.
However, I do believe that going inside yourself to find out where you belong and what you're capable of is what is most important. I think embracing this "depersonalization" is better in the long run, as you might find a lot of good can come from this creative mindset.
johnnyemoticon 4 years ago 2
Thanks, very true about us social phobics being too wrapped us in ourselves. Sometimes I think I'm being really selfish for thinking about myself so much all the time, but I can't seem to help it; most of us have a hard time not thinking or analyzing every single thing. But yeah, I've come to the fact that derealization is not really a disorder, just a very different state of mind and seeing beyond reality to the point where it just seems so unreal.
ConsciousCloud 4 years ago
I once read in a psychology book that the world we see while awake is really no different from the one we experience while asleep. Oh yeah, it was from that movie, "Waking Life" and something was said in there about how we're all just sleepwalking through our real lives and wakewalking through our dreams.
ConsciousCloud 4 years ago
sounds interesting, I'll have to check that movie out
johnnyemoticon 4 years ago
I was having the same problem between Sept -> Dec '07. I was becoming preoccupied with reading philosophy/science/spirituality.
An unbalanced focus on 'reality' was the problem. Without realizing it, I formed a habit of letting my mind wonder while i was talking with people, which seriously diminishes the value of the conversation. I watched Waking Life which helped me focus on what I'm doing with myself. Too much pot, reading philosphy, staying home, little exercise,
fizk 3 years ago
not having good conversation with friends, etc, over time changed me for the worse. Focusing on keeping busy and productive [for the day, short term and long term], fit, and having fun with your friends on a regular basis makes the day go by so easy. The mental focus also allowed me to see things as they are and as they come, moment to moment.
fizk 3 years ago
wow i thought i was the only 1. i too got so into philosophy & questioning life,reality,myself ect. that it became a habbit & before i knew it i was lost in my mind wich also led to anxiety. anyone with derealization has reached a higher conciouseness but at the cost of losing touch w/ the simple things in life
mikealangelo 3 years ago
I have a closer shot of Canada in my camping video. Which river is that? I ocassionally have moments of feeling like I'm not real. It's hard to explain because it only lasts for a few seconds and after it's done you kinda forget what it felt like.
StealthyBob 4 years ago
Yeah, same happens to me, except I seem to be in a continuous dream state, even though I know I'm not dreaming. I've basically just accepted the fact that I guess I just see reality from a different perspective. But anyway, that river is the Detroit River, I think it's also called Lake St. Claire. Guess I should know this since I've been living here for 12 years.
ConsciousCloud 4 years ago
That's what I thought. After posting the comment I realized it was too wide to be the St. Claire river. I knew it had to be one or the other. I know what you mean. It's like you know what's happening is real but your brain sort of forgets that for a moment.
StealthyBob 4 years ago
I get that feeling of disconnection sometimes. I think what makes the difference is being able to live in the moment and not in our heads. Then the world starts to look a little more real.
maehb 4 years ago
Yeah, know what you mean, but many times I find that I can never really live in the moment because by the time I've realized the moment, it's gone. And the world for me may sometimes seem more real, but it never seems completely real; It's as if I'm expecting the world to look more...."something." I dunno, guess it's hard to explain.
ConsciousCloud 4 years ago