@owretchedman Yup, Blues was once considered devil music, Jazz was jungle music, Rock and roll was "n-word" music. Even classical music was deemed devil music at one point.
@711DAS But rap has no harmony, melody, or counterpoint ... its just somec crackhead yelling in front of a boombox ... its anti-music, and has no real musical elements or validity ... All Miles did on that one tune on Do-Bop was to have some guys rap on top of his otherwise structured jazz tune ... which is not what most rap is. Its obvious at least to me he was showing rappers a BETTER way, a musical way. I developed my opinions of Miles when he was ALIVE and could speak for himself.
@videocanone Have you even looked at the Max Roach interview?He clearly said "They're not trying to be like Charlie Parker, they deal with the spoken word." Everything you said is countered by that interview.Like how Max said "Rap exemplifies the creative genius of black folk". Drums don't have harmony or melody either, hence "rhythm and poetry" r.a.p
Type in "Talib Kweli Hell" in Youtube, he's rapping without the beat.The skill is measured by lyrics and rhythm,not instrumental dexterity.
@videocanone Okay, you're a musician? Can you "theoretically" explain to me whats "crap" about the lyrics in "Talib Kweli Hell" or the other songs I mentioned?If you can, I bet I'll counter it easily(I'm a musician also). If you can't/won't.....well that just helps my argument even more.
@711DAS It's crap because it takes MORE talent to write good lyrics and then SING THEM with a MELODY that is then supported by Harmony from other vocalists or instruments, that in turn is supported by COUNTERPOINT by a good bass player and then supported by a good drummer and percussionist. The only 'song' I ever heard that was anything close to that with a rap element was 'Busta Move'. I even played that when I DJ'd on the side because it was funny. Tone Loc was funny too. But most rap is CRAP.
@videocanone Punker? Stupid black kid? Get a f***ing life?
Wow, you sound very intelligent. Notice how I haven't cussed or insulted you once? I used sources and fallacies yet I'm the "stupid black kid"? Right.
@711DAS When did I say that ? dang son, you are paranoid. Time to put down the crack pipe and actually bother to read what I have posted here. You are dwelling on all the wrong details here.The bigger problem is that black street culture today beats on any Afro-American who wants to enrich themselves with REAL culture and tries to paint such a person as an uncle tom, while only hoodrap ganster crap is lauded as 'real' Afro-American culture, and that is a crock. A whole generation has been lost.
@711DAS you're hanging your hat on one stupid interview ! LOL ! I am hanging mine on having listened to Miles on his records, palying his music, other interviews, and seeing him in concert from the late 60's until his friggin DEATH ! Fuck rap and the shitstained horse it rode in on. As poetry, its crap, as music, its noise. I will say it again so clean out your ears , why listen to that piss and moan ghetto garbage when you can listen to the sonorous sounds of a master like MILES ?
@ DarkeningSkies ... Yeah, I think the artist used his face as a model for the preggars chick in the album art for sure. Its not so obvious that the casual observer would notice, but enough so that fans would get a kick out of it. He was very interested in his roots and culture and upset that his audiences got whiter and whiter over time with young blacks more and more listening to rap and other lesser pop music, and abandoning jazz. In the end, most of his audience were white college students.
@videocanone Miles didn't get upset on young people turning to rap and hip hop, he tried to bring his music to the new generation rather than complaining about how pop music sucked. He greatly admired many pop musicians and his latter work involved hip hop music right before he died. He rather blamed jazz musicians and audience for being conservative and being afraid to innovate.
@NoMoreBrainwashing Nah, he was pissed. But no matter, he was pissed about a number of things. I have his later albums and see no crossover of rap or hip hop in his music. He did instrumentals, remember ? Rap is devoid of melody, harmony, and complex rhythms and instrumentation, while his music is dense and rich with same, and has no cussing and yelling to a drum machine. If he said anything nice about rap it was to reach out to young blacks ... to engage them in dialogue
@munkisout - found it. Not impressed. Like I said, whenever he adds lyrics to his tunes it sucks. About the only thing he did I like with any human voice was Nem um Talvez on this album, and this song with whistling. But even those two had no lyrics. I believe instrumentalists can express more humanity through their instruments than anyone ever did with lyrics. There's more soul, spirit, and emotion without lyrics because it takes more work to make it happen. Miles did that.
@videocanone watch "Max Roach interview rap music" on Youtube....he even said that the next Charlie Parker was going to be a rapper.
Anyway,Miles Davis actually did experiment with hip hop in his later years (read it in his book), and he'd probably be pissed at you for insulting it;especially if you're white(not to bring up race, but true).After all, it is an extension of his culture; the creation of his children
Listen to "Dear Mama" or "Keep ya head up" by Tupac and you'll hear the soul
@711DAS You really are clueless about Miles and his legacy. Tupac was a friggin gang banging biach loser ! I have no respect for such filth. 99.9% of Miles music was Jazz done his way and NOT rap crap. One rappish tune by Miles near the end does not a rapper make. Miles 'children' were his fellow bandsmen, he had few friends but them by his own admission, and they went on to create jazz-fusion, like McLaughlin, Corea, Hancock, Zawinul, Shorter, etc., and had NOTHING to do with 'rap'.
@711DAS ps Rap is in NO WAY an extension of the Jazz Culture that Miles strove to create and spread, in point of fact, its ANTI-culture. I doubt Miles would want to have his name dragged into the mud by you or any other negro who vainly tries to tie Mile's good name and cultural legacy to the crap gang banging hoodrat bullshit that pollutes black 'culture' today. The rap generation barfed on the legacy of jazz, soul, gospel, and blues when it created a tasteless noise called 'rap'.
@711DAS I'll say it again, Miles reached out to rappers because he was trying to get them to raise their sights, to turn to REAL culture and give up their tasteless noise. He was depressed to see his audiences get whiter and whiter, and was playing pied piper to get young blacks to get turned on to jazz. If anyone here is 'insulting' Miles its YOU for thinking he would ever give up jazz to be a rapper, and for playing the race card. I am an old jazzer who grew up on Miles, did you ?
@videocanone Hmm...Interesting,can you tell me were you got your info from?I got mine from the bio(of course not since you made it up).And I wasn't playing the racecard;if you read his biography,you'd know exactly what i'm talking about.Everything I told you was what I learned from reading his biography.But you failed to mention anything about the Max Roach interview.Max Roach even mentioned the Doowop album in the interview.He said rappers/listeners are our "children"(younger black generation)
@711DAS Got my info from other youtube interviews and media I read like Downbeat and such when he was alive back in the day. The man was the kingpin of Jazz for 40 years for friggin sake and did how much rap ? an insignificant amount. Its a cheap shot to try to legitimize the hate and noise that is rap by trying to claim a cultural Icon like Miles supported it as legitimate art. It is not. Why waste your time with such filth when you have Miles and Jazz unless you have a political agenda ? Eh ?
@videocanone Political agenda?I'm only18;I have no interest in politics, just the love for music.
But anyway I think Max Roach explained it best. I'd rather take my word from a legend like Max (who played and was good friends with Miles) and not you. Why don't you mention his interview hmm?It clearly supports what I said thus far.
@munkisout found it ... Do-Bop ... oh well, one song out of 50 plus albums does not a rapper make. I think he did a number with Chaka Khan too, and then there was that vocal number on 'Man with the Horn". Miles was primarily an instrumental composer, the vocal numbers felt weird and self directed, and never captured the essence of the man or his music. I feel music was a transcendental art for Miles and he was exploring other planes with it and not trying to draw attention to himself.
@hotlanta71 ... The preggers chick has Mile's face ... if you had seen enough pix of him from that era its him all right ... that is why I think its so funny !!!
@videocanone Well he did "give birth" to the music on the album, right? Actually I think the resemblance is strong because Miles had a lot of that darker skinned african aspect to his features. Do you think the artist was actually using his face as the model? Yikes.
@ChipReidMusic yes, you are right. Hermeto Pascoal wrote this song and gave it to Miles. For me, this song is one of the greatest moments in the history of Jazz music.
@BrooklynNYC777 thats what Miles kept saying...I kept resisting his statements...but, of course, he was absolutely right. American Classical music, perhaps....true Afro-American music...perhaps, the St. Louis blues.
What a classic 'inner space, the final frontier' kinda tune. Get's me high today the same as it did when it was first released... JOY !!! and without any trendy chemical amusement aids ! Music is the best ! A cartoon of Miles as a nekkid preggers black chick with blue hair ! what a scream ! he had a sense of humor even though he was a man of few words and chose them carefully. I guess when you can play the trumpet like that what more do you need to say ?
ps was Max's interview before or after Max went muslim ? before that he was a great bop drummer, but afterward in my book he lost credibility.
videocanone 5 days ago
All culture starts out as anti-culture.
owretchedman 1 week ago
@owretchedman Yup, Blues was once considered devil music, Jazz was jungle music, Rock and roll was "n-word" music. Even classical music was deemed devil music at one point.
I don't know how videocanone doesn't get it
711DAS 1 week ago
@711DAS But rap has no harmony, melody, or counterpoint ... its just somec crackhead yelling in front of a boombox ... its anti-music, and has no real musical elements or validity ... All Miles did on that one tune on Do-Bop was to have some guys rap on top of his otherwise structured jazz tune ... which is not what most rap is. Its obvious at least to me he was showing rappers a BETTER way, a musical way. I developed my opinions of Miles when he was ALIVE and could speak for himself.
videocanone 6 days ago
@videocanone Have you even looked at the Max Roach interview?He clearly said "They're not trying to be like Charlie Parker, they deal with the spoken word." Everything you said is countered by that interview.Like how Max said "Rap exemplifies the creative genius of black folk". Drums don't have harmony or melody either, hence "rhythm and poetry" r.a.p
Type in "Talib Kweli Hell" in Youtube, he's rapping without the beat.The skill is measured by lyrics and rhythm,not instrumental dexterity.
711DAS 6 days ago
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videocanone 5 days ago
@videocanone Okay, you're a musician? Can you "theoretically" explain to me whats "crap" about the lyrics in "Talib Kweli Hell" or the other songs I mentioned?If you can, I bet I'll counter it easily(I'm a musician also). If you can't/won't.....well that just helps my argument even more.
711DAS 5 days ago
@711DAS It's crap because it takes MORE talent to write good lyrics and then SING THEM with a MELODY that is then supported by Harmony from other vocalists or instruments, that in turn is supported by COUNTERPOINT by a good bass player and then supported by a good drummer and percussionist. The only 'song' I ever heard that was anything close to that with a rap element was 'Busta Move'. I even played that when I DJ'd on the side because it was funny. Tone Loc was funny too. But most rap is CRAP.
videocanone 4 days ago
@videocanone Punker? Stupid black kid? Get a f***ing life?
Wow, you sound very intelligent. Notice how I haven't cussed or insulted you once? I used sources and fallacies yet I'm the "stupid black kid"? Right.
711DAS 3 days ago
@711DAS When did I say that ? dang son, you are paranoid. Time to put down the crack pipe and actually bother to read what I have posted here. You are dwelling on all the wrong details here.The bigger problem is that black street culture today beats on any Afro-American who wants to enrich themselves with REAL culture and tries to paint such a person as an uncle tom, while only hoodrap ganster crap is lauded as 'real' Afro-American culture, and that is a crock. A whole generation has been lost.
videocanone 1 day ago
@videocanone You know what you said, you put it in that PM.Did you forget what the argument? You said Miles hated the genre. I said he didn't.
I was right. Case close
711DAS 1 day ago
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@711DAS you're hanging your hat on one stupid interview ! LOL ! I am hanging mine on having listened to Miles on his records, palying his music, other interviews, and seeing him in concert from the late 60's until his friggin DEATH ! Fuck rap and the shitstained horse it rode in on. As poetry, its crap, as music, its noise. I will say it again so clean out your ears , why listen to that piss and moan ghetto garbage when you can listen to the sonorous sounds of a master like MILES ?
videocanone 5 days ago
Love the song and the picture !!
Twattoo666 1 month ago
soul-dade...
superga5 1 month ago
lovely song!
videostan 3 months ago
Hermeto Pascoal is the composer
proud of my country
gamer966 3 months ago 6
Put on repeat for a quick nap.
choganskateboarding 6 months ago 4
Found it on youtube! I love this track.
grandsaga 6 months ago
magic
eutuxiaMJ 7 months ago
un orgue , un siffleur, une basse , Miles.... assurément un miracle..d'une originalité et d'une musicalité totales..;...Fantastique.
mangacharlus 10 months ago
@ DarkeningSkies ... Yeah, I think the artist used his face as a model for the preggars chick in the album art for sure. Its not so obvious that the casual observer would notice, but enough so that fans would get a kick out of it. He was very interested in his roots and culture and upset that his audiences got whiter and whiter over time with young blacks more and more listening to rap and other lesser pop music, and abandoning jazz. In the end, most of his audience were white college students.
videocanone 11 months ago
@videocanone Miles didn't get upset on young people turning to rap and hip hop, he tried to bring his music to the new generation rather than complaining about how pop music sucked. He greatly admired many pop musicians and his latter work involved hip hop music right before he died. He rather blamed jazz musicians and audience for being conservative and being afraid to innovate.
NoMoreBrainwashing 1 month ago
@NoMoreBrainwashing Nah, he was pissed. But no matter, he was pissed about a number of things. I have his later albums and see no crossover of rap or hip hop in his music. He did instrumentals, remember ? Rap is devoid of melody, harmony, and complex rhythms and instrumentation, while his music is dense and rich with same, and has no cussing and yelling to a drum machine. If he said anything nice about rap it was to reach out to young blacks ... to engage them in dialogue
videocanone 4 weeks ago
@videocanone do-bop song?
munkisout 2 weeks ago
@munkisout Which album ?
videocanone 2 weeks ago
@videocanone the name of the album is "doo-bop", sorry. but you "should find the rap from youtube by tapping "do-bop song". I did.
munkisout 2 weeks ago
@munkisout - found it. Not impressed. Like I said, whenever he adds lyrics to his tunes it sucks. About the only thing he did I like with any human voice was Nem um Talvez on this album, and this song with whistling. But even those two had no lyrics. I believe instrumentalists can express more humanity through their instruments than anyone ever did with lyrics. There's more soul, spirit, and emotion without lyrics because it takes more work to make it happen. Miles did that.
videocanone 2 weeks ago
@videocanone watch "Max Roach interview rap music" on Youtube....he even said that the next Charlie Parker was going to be a rapper.
Anyway,Miles Davis actually did experiment with hip hop in his later years (read it in his book), and he'd probably be pissed at you for insulting it;especially if you're white(not to bring up race, but true).After all, it is an extension of his culture; the creation of his children
Listen to "Dear Mama" or "Keep ya head up" by Tupac and you'll hear the soul
711DAS 1 week ago
@711DAS You really are clueless about Miles and his legacy. Tupac was a friggin gang banging biach loser ! I have no respect for such filth. 99.9% of Miles music was Jazz done his way and NOT rap crap. One rappish tune by Miles near the end does not a rapper make. Miles 'children' were his fellow bandsmen, he had few friends but them by his own admission, and they went on to create jazz-fusion, like McLaughlin, Corea, Hancock, Zawinul, Shorter, etc., and had NOTHING to do with 'rap'.
videocanone 1 week ago
@711DAS ps Rap is in NO WAY an extension of the Jazz Culture that Miles strove to create and spread, in point of fact, its ANTI-culture. I doubt Miles would want to have his name dragged into the mud by you or any other negro who vainly tries to tie Mile's good name and cultural legacy to the crap gang banging hoodrat bullshit that pollutes black 'culture' today. The rap generation barfed on the legacy of jazz, soul, gospel, and blues when it created a tasteless noise called 'rap'.
videocanone 1 week ago
@711DAS I'll say it again, Miles reached out to rappers because he was trying to get them to raise their sights, to turn to REAL culture and give up their tasteless noise. He was depressed to see his audiences get whiter and whiter, and was playing pied piper to get young blacks to get turned on to jazz. If anyone here is 'insulting' Miles its YOU for thinking he would ever give up jazz to be a rapper, and for playing the race card. I am an old jazzer who grew up on Miles, did you ?
videocanone 1 week ago
@videocanone Hmm...Interesting,can you tell me were you got your info from?I got mine from the bio(of course not since you made it up).And I wasn't playing the racecard;if you read his biography,you'd know exactly what i'm talking about.Everything I told you was what I learned from reading his biography.But you failed to mention anything about the Max Roach interview.Max Roach even mentioned the Doowop album in the interview.He said rappers/listeners are our "children"(younger black generation)
711DAS 1 week ago
@711DAS Got my info from other youtube interviews and media I read like Downbeat and such when he was alive back in the day. The man was the kingpin of Jazz for 40 years for friggin sake and did how much rap ? an insignificant amount. Its a cheap shot to try to legitimize the hate and noise that is rap by trying to claim a cultural Icon like Miles supported it as legitimate art. It is not. Why waste your time with such filth when you have Miles and Jazz unless you have a political agenda ? Eh ?
videocanone 1 week ago
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711DAS 1 week ago
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@videocanone Political agenda?I'm only18;I have no interest in politics, just the love for music.
But anyway I think Max Roach explained it best. I'd rather take my word from a legend like Max (who played and was good friends with Miles) and not you. Why don't you mention his interview hmm?It clearly supports what I said thus far.
711DAS 1 week ago
@munkisout found it ... Do-Bop ... oh well, one song out of 50 plus albums does not a rapper make. I think he did a number with Chaka Khan too, and then there was that vocal number on 'Man with the Horn". Miles was primarily an instrumental composer, the vocal numbers felt weird and self directed, and never captured the essence of the man or his music. I feel music was a transcendental art for Miles and he was exploring other planes with it and not trying to draw attention to himself.
videocanone 2 weeks ago
@hotlanta71 ... The preggers chick has Mile's face ... if you had seen enough pix of him from that era its him all right ... that is why I think its so funny !!!
videocanone 11 months ago
@videocanone Well he did "give birth" to the music on the album, right? Actually I think the resemblance is strong because Miles had a lot of that darker skinned african aspect to his features. Do you think the artist was actually using his face as the model? Yikes.
DarkeningSkies1 11 months ago
I think Hermeto composed this...my all time favorite song in the entire Universe...Thank you for posting!
ChipReidMusic 1 year ago
@ChipReidMusic yes, you are right. Hermeto Pascoal wrote this song and gave it to Miles. For me, this song is one of the greatest moments in the history of Jazz music.
jlcamelo 11 months ago
@jlcamelo not only jazz music........... this song for me cant even be classified.....
BrooklynNYC777 8 months ago 3
@BrooklynNYC777 thats what Miles kept saying...I kept resisting his statements...but, of course, he was absolutely right. American Classical music, perhaps....true Afro-American music...perhaps, the St. Louis blues.
videostan 3 months ago
@ChipReidMusic same for me
BrooklynNYC777 8 months ago
this songs called little church, thanks though.
GatoradeIsNotJuice 1 year ago
Thank
milestones2011 1 year ago
CooL
GavesaQuadrada 1 year ago
What a classic 'inner space, the final frontier' kinda tune. Get's me high today the same as it did when it was first released... JOY !!! and without any trendy chemical amusement aids ! Music is the best ! A cartoon of Miles as a nekkid preggers black chick with blue hair ! what a scream ! he had a sense of humor even though he was a man of few words and chose them carefully. I guess when you can play the trumpet like that what more do you need to say ?
videocanone 1 year ago
@videocanone I don't think the pregnant chick is supposed to portray Miles in anyway...
hotlanta71 11 months ago
@videocanone hahahah i can dig it.........
BrooklynNYC777 8 months ago
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leorugero 1 year ago