@ikkakkaful What did I say that isn't factually accurate? You don't have to know absolutely everything about a particular subject before you criticise it. Of course, however, if I have said something which isn't factually accurate I'd be happy to discuss it.
abu hamza was brought by britains just to say those things !!!! im a muslim and i reject this man !!! the west allways play those dirty games !!!
if u want islam read books and go to visist muslim country not by watching media : they allways use islam as joker card !!! if u have questions go to closest isamic center and they will welcome u whatever is ur religion !!!
@TheCherazed I don't have a religion, I'm an atheist, meaning I find the evidence for a god or gods insufficient and as such, I have no belief in them or in anything else I'm unable to quantify without evidence.
@ChannelLion You can be Atheist and celebrate holidays that have religious connotations most have become secularized anyway, especially Christmas (which has become more about spending time with your family) and Halloween (all about candy and costumes). And as for the calendar just because it's a Christian calender doesn't mean only Christians can use it..hell the entire world uses that calender. You can appreciate the things religion has given the world while at the same time not believing in it
@ChannelLion actually the calendar is based largely on pagan gods (look at the days of the week!) that christians subverted to try to convert the "heathens" to their religion. And yes, I agree with dakotadenverdexter - many holidays have become secularised and are celebrated by everyone, whether they're christian or not.
@ChannelLion Um... you obviously can't read because the fish isa parody of the "Jesus fish". It says "N Chips" on the inside of it. Fish N Chips! It's a parody! Sheesh, I didn't think you were *that* stupid.
@ChannelLion Haha! You're really rather entertaining! Well, luckily for me I was raised CofE, which doesn't force celibacy onto its priests (sensibly). Less sexual repression means less kiddie-fiddling. Still, it's nice to see that you admit the insitutionalised paedophilia within the church - that's the kind of evil only religion can breed!
You topic is ''My problem with Islam" but your talk continue about terrorist and about some Muslim.... therefore you have to know You are missing the point. From binging of this video.
Let me put it in a more clear way. You have focused on Muslim terrorists but ignored christian terrorists in your videos about christianity.
Why the focus on stupidity in scripture on christianity and terror on Islam? The simply fact is you have been brainwashed by the christian media. You have fallen for it, hook line and sinker.
Think about it. There are many christians saying everyone else should die. You see massive groups in the USA saying others should die.
@marsoft4647 I have spoken out against christians bombing abortion clinics etc. before. You keep insisting I've been "brainwashed" but haven't got a single good reason to back that up. Quite frankly I'm getting a bit cheesed off that you keep going on about it when I've explained quite clearly what my actual motivations and reasons were - it's starting to get a bit annoying.
I think you are misunderstanding me a little. You have not explained your motivations on this at all. Here is my thing. The northern Ireland issue. How many Irish Catholics do you know you will openly criticise the IRA. Now over there in the USA how many Catholics will criticise the IRA? In fact, how many groups over there in the USA fund the IRA?
Christians, Muslims, all religions have this problem.
@marsoft4647 "How many Irish Catholics do you know you will openly criticise the IRA?" I actually don't personally know any Irish Catholics, so I'm unqualified to speak on that. Once again, I'm talking about personal experience here.
"When western people go to Islamic nations we drink, and have sex..." Actually all the people I know who have gone to Arab nations have been very careful to respect the local laws regarding drinking, covering their heads etc.
I have to disagree with you on that. Your friends claim to have respected the local laws. However, in the compounds, hotels and so on, the laws are simply ignored. I can tell you that from experience. I have been to many islamic nations both for work and on holiday.
The Islamic laws are seen as a joke and ignored indoors.
@marsoft4647 Well I'll concede there then, as you seem to have more first hand experience than I do. I know my friends who went were very concerned about respecting local customs but I know how tourists *can* behave.
The key phrase here is IN PUBLIC. Most people in Muslim countries will obay the laws IN PUBLIC, but in compounds and hotels and so on, the laws are routinely ignored. I have worked in the middle east several times over a 10 year period and I can conclusively say this is how it is.
People who get prosecuted under the indecency or othe laws are seen ad bloody idiots, because they could have done it easily in the compounds without any consiquences
On the issue with integration and covering the face. We expect them to obay our laws. Yet, we expect to be able to drink in Arab nations. When western people go to Islamic nations we drink, and have sex, and when we fall foul of their laws, there is international outrage!!! Why the double standard?
They come here and will not obay our laws they are just inflexible, we go there and don't obay their laws and they are evil or stupid.
@marsoft4647 I don't quite understand your logic here. It seems as though you're saying that because other groups of people commit more acts of terrorism then we have no grounds whatsoever to fear Islamic terrorism. That makes no sense at all. I'm talking about specific people I know who, when asked specifically about certain acts of Islamic terrorism, don't denounce it like any normal person would but instead say things like "well you can see how they were driven to it" etc. That is my issue.
Let me be clear. I am not saying you should not worry about Islamic terrorism, but to put it into context, you are more likely to be hit by lightning or much more likely to be burned to death in a terror attack by eco terrorists than harmed directly by fundamentalist Islamics
@marsoft4647 "you are more likely to be hit by lightning" - yeah, I know that. I know that statistically I'm extremely unlikely to be directly affected, but it's not just about what directly affects me or my immediate family. I care about the state of the world in general and the rise of fundamentalist religion of all stripes worries me.
@marsoft4647 "you are more likely to be hit by lightning or much more likely to be burned to death in a terror attack by eco terrorists than harmed directly by fundamentalist Islamics" Yeah, I'm also not very likely to get fiddled by a Catholic priest but it doesn't mean I can't speak up about it.
The point is why have you not spoken out against eco terrorists, and why did you single out Islam on the terrorist front? Christians have in the name of their various sects of christianity commited far more acts of terrorism than Muslims. That is the hypocracy I cannot stand in this video.
And on your pont about not speaking out against terror, got to Chicago or hell ask just about anyone in America to speak out against the terror attacks by the IRA, seriously, try it.
Your answer "I am not very likely to get fiddled by a Catholic priest" is simply a diversion attempt. My statement was a general one about the entire population, yours was a specific one about people directly involved in a religious organisation, it was also designed to obtain an emotional response. I had thought better of you.
@marsoft4647 Okay, I think you've made your point. I've made mine, too. Can we just agree to disagree here? All we seem to be achieving is spamming this comments section.
@marsoft4647 "Your answer "I am not very likely to get fiddled by a Catholic priest" is simply a diversion attempt." Not at all. It was intended to illustrate that even if something isn't likely to happen to me, I'm still likely to speak up against it. That goes for a hundred things. It's perfectly normal to speak out against atrocious events even if the likelihood of them happening to you is near zero.
The point is this. It is very easy to target Islam right now, almost every western news network is targetting them and painting them as pure evil.
Does not anyone have an eye to history? This sort of thing has happened before. Most religions have a good reason why that organised religion is bad. However, terrorism is not unique to any religion or even contained in religions
If you complain because someone eles has not spoken out against terrorism, YOU have to speak out against terrorism
I might be redundant in saying so, but the 'moderate muslims don't denounce the extremists enough' argument you use is dodgy. Nobody is obliged to speak for or appologise for those who don't represent them, and Abu Hamza does not represent British muslims and vice versa. Like you, I happen to have been born and brought up on this island. Do we have to actively apologise for the antics of the EDL for instance?
@yeahwotevaman "Nobody is obliged to speak for or appologise for those who don't represent them" - Agreed there, but my point is that these same Muslims are happy to call persecution, "Islamophobia", and scream outrage at some Danish cartoons but as soon as they're queried on 9/11 or 7/7 they start side-stepping and making excuses, saying things like "you can see why they were driven to it" or something. I'm talking about actual conversations I've had with Muslims I know personally.
If you read the FBI report on terrorist activity going back to the 1980s. The major terrorists are actually Eco Terrorists and within that group, Animal Rights Terrorists.
If you take the 9/11 attack out of the equation, 70% of terrorist attacks were by Animal Rights people, and 90% of deaths were caused by their attacks.
We are being mislead here, this is my Mr AntiConspiracyTheory.
@marsoft4647 You have a source for that incredable statistic? As far as I am aware, in Britian at least there have been no deaths caused by anyone purporting to be an animal liberation group. The closest to that was the beating of the then HLS managing director Brian Cass outside his home in 2001.
Did you not read my comments. Look at the recent report the FBI released on teorrist activities in the USA in the past 10 years.
What part of read the FBI report recently published did you not understand? the key bit was FBI. Muppet. FBI as in the USA. Here in the UK the deathtoll is still down to the bitchfest between the Catholics and Protistants.
The problem is the western world does say this, it simple says it indirectly, in general.
Now, Fox news and such say it all the time.
We see what the news service allow us to see. How many christians or others speak out against problems in their own religion or in-group?
Sorry, I think you are focusing on the negative things our media are wanting you to focus on. They simply do not replort normal people saying this is bad, that does not sell copy.
@marsoft4647 When did I say that I believed that Islamic terrorism was the main form of terrorism? I don't believe I did in fact say that. What I said was that *some* Muslims are terrorists (and of course, not all terrorists are Muslims) but as this particular video was my problems with Islam specifically I only mentioned Muslim terrorists. Furthermore, I specifically said that among Muslims I know PERSONALLY there are those who don't speak out against terror.
I wanted to make a serious point, that everyone is focused on the "Islamic Threat"
There is a far more serious threat.
I can personally tell you that people in any demographic will not speak out against it.
For every Muslim who will not speak out against muslim terrorism, I can find you an equal number who will not speak out against christian, animal rights, eco and so on terorrism.
I have 2 people in my street. One is northern Irish, the other is a victim of hte Warrington bombing.
Took a bit of her head off, so she has problems remembering things and recognising people.
This guy has never appologsed and has refused to condemn the Irish for htis horrid attack. Therefore all irish people are evil and responsible and should be condemned for not speakingout.
Some muslims are terrorists, then this was a pointless video as some christians are terrorists and some atheists are terrorists and some people who have nothing at all in their minds about religion in any direction are terrorists.
Your problem seems to be, you mentioned muslims you know who have not spoken out against terror attacks.
How many terror attacks in enland and ireland have YOU spoken out against?
@marsoft4647 "How many terror attacks in enland and ireland have YOU spoken out against?" - If I was an Irish Catholic or a Protestant your point would be relevant.
Many of the terrorist attacks happened in England against English people. My next door neighbour Betty was wounded and had brain damage in the Warrington bombing.
So, tell me, when have you ever spoken against the terrorism in northern ireland that spills out into the rest of the UK?
If you want others to speak out, it is hypocrytical not to do so yourself.
@marsoft4647 "when have you ever spoken against the terrorism in northern ireland that spills out into the rest of the UK?"
If I was asked specifically about these acts of terrorism I would denounce the terrorists just like any normal person would. Some of the Muslims that I have spoken to have tentatively tried to make excuses for or defend those who have committed acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, and that to me demonstrates the brainwashing power of religion.
It may be then because you are in America right now. The muslims I know here in Cheshire all speak out very strongly against terrorism and have publicly stated their abhorence of these crimes.
I do have to however point out the difference between speaking out, and answering a question that could be taken as an attack on you personally (given the mood in many western countries)
You have singled out Muslims here. The problem is, all religions act in this way, all religions brainwash followers to believe their cause is rightious and thus their methods are rightious.
You hit the nail on the head with "brainwashing power of religion", but failed when you concentrated on a specific religion. You have fallen for the right wing christian propaganda machine. Another demonstration of the brainwashing power of religion.
@marsoft4647 If you'd seen my other videos, you'd have seen that I also did a "What's My Problem With..." video on Christianity. So I'm not just "picking on the Muslims".
I just fail to see the point of separating it out into all the different little god botherer groups. The problem is the same whichever one you choose.
@marsoft4647 "I just fail to see the point of separating it out into all the different little god botherer groups. The problem is the same whichever one you choose."
Agreed. But I didn't want to be accused of lumping all faiths together. I guess I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't.
Ok. Specifics here. On your "what is my problem with.. Christianity" vid, you put disclaimer up front, stating you don't want anyone to think you are picking on christians. Why did you not put up a similar one on this or the previous one saying you don't want anyone to think you are picking on muslims?
@marsoft4647 "Why did you not put up a similar one on this or the previous one saying you don't want anyone to think you are picking on muslims?" a simple oversight on my part. I will update the description as I certainly wouldn't want to be seen that way. :)
I have to ask though. Why the mistake? Surely you thought that it was important to not offend christianity, but you did not think it was important not to offend Islam?
If you held the two equally stupid then you would not have made the "mistake". This is a result of your upbringing, in short your conditioning from childhood, even if you reject christianity now, you have been conditioned to accept it as more true than all the other foolishness.
Read all of my comments and listen. You are being brainwashed right now, you are showing the effects of that brainwashing by the tone and content of your presentations. Think about it! Why did you apologise up front on the christian one but not on the muslim one?
Why the focus on terror on the muslim one? The answer is you have been brainwashed by the right wing christian media of the western world.
@marsoft4647 "Why did you apologise up front on the christian one but not on the muslim one?" Looking back, I probably thought I'd get more angry Christians than angry Muslims. I don't know, in all honesty. But certainly not because I thought it would be okay to offend Muslims.
"Why the focus on terror?" I guess the same question could be put to me about focusing on any one issue in the Christianity video - it may not be widespread and statistically insignificant but it still matters.
I am Pakistani Muslim living in Pakistan and I agree with you that silence can be a crime for the silent majority if we don’t not have the courage to speak up to these minority extremists who are spoiling the repute of our religion and culture . Btw I’m not sure how the Muslims in Britain are reacting to this but in Pakistan I have noticed a quantum shift how the people have started kicking these people out of our society anyways we still have a long way to go to completely get rid of them
@MyJ0ker Thanks for your reply. It's great to hear from a Muslim who wishes to live in tolerance and peace. Good for you! :D Yes there is a long way to go but hopefully we'll get there in the end.
Of course you don't see muslims speaking out about this stuff! Why don't you? Media Bias! The media don't like muslims but they aren't allowed to be biased. So they focus all their attention on the insane fuckers with hooks because that's how you tackle groups you don't want around anymore.
@FreakBoi2008 I said in the video that there may well be a media bias, but I was also referring to muslims I know personally who claim to be moderate. I never hear them speaking up, in fact I often hear things such as "well you can see why they were driven to it" etc. which is another example of how religion can turn perfectly pleasant people into crazies.
@AtheistBrit I know Muslims who have and will continue to speak out about this sort of crap but bare in mind that most Muslims, Christians or anyone else, for that matter, aren't politicized unless they feel that their own community is threatened. And I would argue that the British and American governments pose, at the very least, a higher perceived threat than extremists of their own religion who are, for better or worse, fighting- sort of- on their behalf.
You realize this radical muslim thing only became such an issue recently... it will stop when your government stops.. trust me.. they fuel the fire and when it burns they tell you to put it out... if you stop them from fueling it.. the fire will die down on it's own. They bomb and kill innocent muslims... turning ppl radical and then tell you to get the radicals.. it's not the radicals it's them that must be stopped.. they create the radicals and send u on a goose chase after them.
@MyFunzy "it's not the radicals it's them that must be stopped.. " Here's an idea - how about we stop BOTH? That's what I've been saying this whole time.
@AtheistBrit There's only 1 that is causing the problems... the radicals work speech within the law in the country.. if they commit a crime they will be arrested... they don't do anything...outside of that there are criminals who do stuff...who will be punished according to law.. however there are extreme cases in everything and everyone... the only actual issue is your government. Everything is in place to handle the "radicals" >>IF<< they get outta line... nothing is there to stop your gov.
@MyFunzy Oh yeah of course, how silly of me. I'm sure if we just pulled out of the Middle East entirely tomorrow, left you all alone, that you wouldn't take any kind of revenge at all. How silly of me! I'd love for all the fighting to just stop, but it isn't that simple.
@AtheistBrit First I live in Canada... and I'm Canadian... the 2nd is you have to pull out someday right?? Unless your planning on going broke and losing everything you have fighting such an expensive war so far away from home. Your so funny... no middle eastern nation has interballistic missiles... they can't attack us militarily. Why are you staying there on a silly assumption when you have no basis. I'm sure they'd want revenge but at this same cost it wouldn't be acted on.
@MyFunzy Sorry for assuming you lived in the Middle East. I would very much like for us to pull out of the wars, but like I said, I don't believe it's quite that simple as just *leaving*. I don't claim to be an expert, nor do I know what the consequences of pulling out immediately would be. All I know is that the Middle Eastern wars are killing folks on BOTH sides and I'd love for that to stop. I thought I'd said that already? Why do you assume I'm on the side of the British government?
Do you care about the 1.1 million Iraqi's killed by the British and the Americans? Do you care about the use of the depleted Uranium on the people of Fallujah, Gaza and in various part of Afghanistan which is causing deformities in children and various cancers. Ofcourse muslims will go radical if you do this to them. How stupid can you be... if Iran killed 1.1 million Germans would Germans be upset? You sound so dumb... watch Loose Change or 7/7 Ripple Effect.. UR SO FREAKIN DUMB!
@MyFunzy I take it your question was rhetorical but I'll answer it anyway. Yes of COURSE I care if ANY human being gets hurt, particularly if it's senseless and needless. Your assumption that because I dislike a religion I dislike the people who practice it is fallacious and stupid. But the answer to violence against civilians is NOT violence against more civilians!
@AtheistBrit WHAT??? Your asking for moderate muslims to speak out against him... and your not speaking out against ur psycho governments who have killed over a million people in the past 9 years including using illegal weapons on other governments. Your telling us to deal with these guys talking smack when you guys are murdering over a million... there's NO ARMY in AFG, There's no ARMY in IRAQ, there's no ARMY in GAZA.. ur killin innocent people the British army is the real radicals.. WAKE UP!
@MyFunzy "and your not speaking out against ur psycho governments..."
How do you know that I'm not? If you'd bothered to ask, I'd have told you about how I went on several "Stop The War" protests before Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded. But of course you're playing the victim card and assuming that because I'm white and British I've got no problem with the British army being in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'll say it again (maybe you'll listen this time): I dislike ANY and ALL senseless killing!
@AtheistBrit OK so your calling for muslims to go after "radical muslims" when they haven't really done much wrong... like if you weight it on a scale it's practically nothing... and infact your governments are killing over a million innocent people... don't you think we should all just focus on your psycho governments that are killing millions and not the radical muslims who are barely a problem to anyone. Like what... they talk a bit of smack that you don't like? Come on.. murdering millions!
@AtheistBrit Well Don't you agree that radical muslims arent' the problem... the problem is your psycho government doing false flag attacks and framing muslims ( which you must know by now ) and then invading their countries for profit at your expense and mine. There's radical Christians out there too... that's just a wild goose chase.. they bomb us and make them more radical and then want us to fight with the radicals.. and they bomb us more and make them more radical... ur argument is pointles
@addan76 Your comment perfectly illustrates her point about the muslim attitude towards women. Such poor culture (islam) can survive in the west only as long as our governments mantain their over protectionist policies towards undeserving minorities.
@addan76 Who are the pnp? Do you mean the BNP? If so there are plenty of videos against them and although I haven't made any I happen to think they're a bunch of right-wing fascist bigots.
@addan76 I looked at your page. You are a Muslim. Shame on you for using that language and not being modest and humble and putting a stain on your faith and your God.
@amet1980 "they even exist in your country, they called turkishcypriots and iranian refuges, some 600 000." - I was saying that I hadn't heard them speaking out. They may well have done, I just haven't heard it. I acknowledged that may have been from biased news reporting but my personal experience has been that I'm just not hearing it.
I absolutely must agree with what you said about moderate muslims, they never seem to speak out against radicals, and that is so important.
MoonlightPlaylist 1 month ago
DEAR SISTER YOU LEARN KURAN BEFOR YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM
ikkakkaful 1 month ago
@ikkakkaful What did I say that isn't factually accurate? You don't have to know absolutely everything about a particular subject before you criticise it. Of course, however, if I have said something which isn't factually accurate I'd be happy to discuss it.
AtheistBrit 1 month ago
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ChannelLion 9 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace Go stop europeans univercities they teach islamic ecoomic system !!! if they applied it there wont be an economic crise !!!
ChannelLion 9 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace islam is not communism or capitalism !!! when the capitalism falls u will see islam inshallah
ChannelLion 9 months ago
abu hamza was brought by britains just to say those things !!!! im a muslim and i reject this man !!! the west allways play those dirty games !!!
if u want islam read books and go to visist muslim country not by watching media : they allways use islam as joker card !!! if u have questions go to closest isamic center and they will welcome u whatever is ur religion !!!
ChannelLion 9 months ago
nd what's ur religion ??
TheCherazed 1 year ago
@TheCherazed I don't have a religion, I'm an atheist, meaning I find the evidence for a god or gods insufficient and as such, I have no belief in them or in anything else I'm unable to quantify without evidence.
AtheistBrit 11 months ago
@AtheistBrit i respect that
TheCherazed 11 months ago
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ChannelLion 9 months ago
@ChannelLion You can be Atheist and celebrate holidays that have religious connotations most have become secularized anyway, especially Christmas (which has become more about spending time with your family) and Halloween (all about candy and costumes). And as for the calendar just because it's a Christian calender doesn't mean only Christians can use it..hell the entire world uses that calender. You can appreciate the things religion has given the world while at the same time not believing in it
dakotadenverdexter 7 months ago
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ChannelLion 7 months ago
@ChannelLion actually the calendar is based largely on pagan gods (look at the days of the week!) that christians subverted to try to convert the "heathens" to their religion. And yes, I agree with dakotadenverdexter - many holidays have become secularised and are celebrated by everyone, whether they're christian or not.
AtheistBrit 7 months ago
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ChannelLion 7 months ago
@ChannelLion Um... you obviously can't read because the fish isa parody of the "Jesus fish". It says "N Chips" on the inside of it. Fish N Chips! It's a parody! Sheesh, I didn't think you were *that* stupid.
AtheistBrit 7 months ago
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ChannelLion 7 months ago
@ChannelLion Haha! You're really rather entertaining! Well, luckily for me I was raised CofE, which doesn't force celibacy onto its priests (sensibly). Less sexual repression means less kiddie-fiddling. Still, it's nice to see that you admit the insitutionalised paedophilia within the church - that's the kind of evil only religion can breed!
AtheistBrit 7 months ago
keep your hate for yourself , islam is growing on the daily basis with or without your approval and mostly among women
DOLLIO11 1 year ago
@DOLLIO11 I don't recall using the word "hate" or any kind of hate speech. You clearly didn't actually listen to what I had to say.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
You topic is ''My problem with Islam" but your talk continue about terrorist and about some Muslim.... therefore you have to know You are missing the point. From binging of this video.
abans45 1 year ago
Let me put it in a more clear way. You have focused on Muslim terrorists but ignored christian terrorists in your videos about christianity.
Why the focus on stupidity in scripture on christianity and terror on Islam? The simply fact is you have been brainwashed by the christian media. You have fallen for it, hook line and sinker.
Think about it. There are many christians saying everyone else should die. You see massive groups in the USA saying others should die.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 I have spoken out against christians bombing abortion clinics etc. before. You keep insisting I've been "brainwashed" but haven't got a single good reason to back that up. Quite frankly I'm getting a bit cheesed off that you keep going on about it when I've explained quite clearly what my actual motivations and reasons were - it's starting to get a bit annoying.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
I think you are misunderstanding me a little. You have not explained your motivations on this at all. Here is my thing. The northern Ireland issue. How many Irish Catholics do you know you will openly criticise the IRA. Now over there in the USA how many Catholics will criticise the IRA? In fact, how many groups over there in the USA fund the IRA?
Christians, Muslims, all religions have this problem.
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marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "How many Irish Catholics do you know you will openly criticise the IRA?" I actually don't personally know any Irish Catholics, so I'm unqualified to speak on that. Once again, I'm talking about personal experience here.
"When western people go to Islamic nations we drink, and have sex..." Actually all the people I know who have gone to Arab nations have been very careful to respect the local laws regarding drinking, covering their heads etc.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
I have to disagree with you on that. Your friends claim to have respected the local laws. However, in the compounds, hotels and so on, the laws are simply ignored. I can tell you that from experience. I have been to many islamic nations both for work and on holiday.
The Islamic laws are seen as a joke and ignored indoors.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 Well I'll concede there then, as you seem to have more first hand experience than I do. I know my friends who went were very concerned about respecting local customs but I know how tourists *can* behave.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
The key phrase here is IN PUBLIC. Most people in Muslim countries will obay the laws IN PUBLIC, but in compounds and hotels and so on, the laws are routinely ignored. I have worked in the middle east several times over a 10 year period and I can conclusively say this is how it is.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
People who get prosecuted under the indecency or othe laws are seen ad bloody idiots, because they could have done it easily in the compounds without any consiquences
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
I was in American last year and the year before working, and I had many catholics defending the IRA, not just ignoring it, but defending it.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
On the issue with integration and covering the face. We expect them to obay our laws. Yet, we expect to be able to drink in Arab nations. When western people go to Islamic nations we drink, and have sex, and when we fall foul of their laws, there is international outrage!!! Why the double standard?
They come here and will not obay our laws they are just inflexible, we go there and don't obay their laws and they are evil or stupid.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
Once you have read that please tell me how they are any worse than followers of environmentalism?
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 I don't quite understand your logic here. It seems as though you're saying that because other groups of people commit more acts of terrorism then we have no grounds whatsoever to fear Islamic terrorism. That makes no sense at all. I'm talking about specific people I know who, when asked specifically about certain acts of Islamic terrorism, don't denounce it like any normal person would but instead say things like "well you can see how they were driven to it" etc. That is my issue.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Let me be clear. I am not saying you should not worry about Islamic terrorism, but to put it into context, you are more likely to be hit by lightning or much more likely to be burned to death in a terror attack by eco terrorists than harmed directly by fundamentalist Islamics
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "you are more likely to be hit by lightning" - yeah, I know that. I know that statistically I'm extremely unlikely to be directly affected, but it's not just about what directly affects me or my immediate family. I care about the state of the world in general and the rise of fundamentalist religion of all stripes worries me.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Yet you focus on Islam and fail to even admit that fundamentalist Militant Christianity even exists. Never mind the rest.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "fail to even admit that fundamentalist Militant Christianity even exists." When did I ever say that?
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "you are more likely to be hit by lightning or much more likely to be burned to death in a terror attack by eco terrorists than harmed directly by fundamentalist Islamics" Yeah, I'm also not very likely to get fiddled by a Catholic priest but it doesn't mean I can't speak up about it.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
The point is why have you not spoken out against eco terrorists, and why did you single out Islam on the terrorist front? Christians have in the name of their various sects of christianity commited far more acts of terrorism than Muslims. That is the hypocracy I cannot stand in this video.
And on your pont about not speaking out against terror, got to Chicago or hell ask just about anyone in America to speak out against the terror attacks by the IRA, seriously, try it.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "The point is why have you not spoken out against eco terrorists?" Because this is a video about my problems with Islam.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Your answer "I am not very likely to get fiddled by a Catholic priest" is simply a diversion attempt. My statement was a general one about the entire population, yours was a specific one about people directly involved in a religious organisation, it was also designed to obtain an emotional response. I had thought better of you.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 Okay, I think you've made your point. I've made mine, too. Can we just agree to disagree here? All we seem to be achieving is spamming this comments section.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "Your answer "I am not very likely to get fiddled by a Catholic priest" is simply a diversion attempt." Not at all. It was intended to illustrate that even if something isn't likely to happen to me, I'm still likely to speak up against it. That goes for a hundred things. It's perfectly normal to speak out against atrocious events even if the likelihood of them happening to you is near zero.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
In the specifics about terrorism please read the report I mentioned
tripple w dot fbi dot gov slash stats-services slash publications slash terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05
marsoft4647 1 year ago
The point is this. It is very easy to target Islam right now, almost every western news network is targetting them and painting them as pure evil.
Does not anyone have an eye to history? This sort of thing has happened before. Most religions have a good reason why that organised religion is bad. However, terrorism is not unique to any religion or even contained in religions
If you complain because someone eles has not spoken out against terrorism, YOU have to speak out against terrorism
marsoft4647 1 year ago
I might be redundant in saying so, but the 'moderate muslims don't denounce the extremists enough' argument you use is dodgy. Nobody is obliged to speak for or appologise for those who don't represent them, and Abu Hamza does not represent British muslims and vice versa. Like you, I happen to have been born and brought up on this island. Do we have to actively apologise for the antics of the EDL for instance?
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman "Nobody is obliged to speak for or appologise for those who don't represent them" - Agreed there, but my point is that these same Muslims are happy to call persecution, "Islamophobia", and scream outrage at some Danish cartoons but as soon as they're queried on 9/11 or 7/7 they start side-stepping and making excuses, saying things like "you can see why they were driven to it" or something. I'm talking about actual conversations I've had with Muslims I know personally.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit 'these same muslims' - specific muslims or muslims in general?
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman Specific muslims that I know personally.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit Right. It just seems that you are talking about muslims in general.
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman Fair point, sorry if that wasn't clear. :)
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
After them there are a mass of ineffecual organisations including the Islamic ones, but they are a tiny tiny part of the overall terror attacks.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
Check it out. E.L.F and A.L.F account for most terrorist attacks in the last 10 years.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
Let me explain about the "War On Terror" bit.
If you read the FBI report on terrorist activity going back to the 1980s. The major terrorists are actually Eco Terrorists and within that group, Animal Rights Terrorists.
If you take the 9/11 attack out of the equation, 70% of terrorist attacks were by Animal Rights people, and 90% of deaths were caused by their attacks.
We are being mislead here, this is my Mr AntiConspiracyTheory.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 You have a source for that incredable statistic? As far as I am aware, in Britian at least there have been no deaths caused by anyone purporting to be an animal liberation group. The closest to that was the beating of the then HLS managing director Brian Cass outside his home in 2001.
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman
Did you not read my comments. Look at the recent report the FBI released on teorrist activities in the USA in the past 10 years.
What part of read the FBI report recently published did you not understand? the key bit was FBI. Muppet. FBI as in the USA. Here in the UK the deathtoll is still down to the bitchfest between the Catholics and Protistants.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 'Itz da FBI, derp!!!' is not a citation. You'll have to be more specific about your source if you are making such a specific claim.
What relevence does Northern Ireland have to any of this exactly?
yeahwotevaman 1 year ago
@yeahwotevaman
FBI derp? fbi dot gov slash stats-services slash publications slash terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05
Does that satisfy you?
The point is, everyone is filled with such fear of Islam simply because they are told to be, and it is in the news.
Look at the report and ask yourself, who should you really be scared of? The statistics speak for themselves.
Northern Ireland has a lot to do with it, or don't you believe that the years of bombings and murder are terrorism?
marsoft4647 1 year ago
how often have you said to her, the so called war on terror is not justifiable, that the torture in gitmo is abhorent?
marsoft4647 1 year ago
The problem is the western world does say this, it simple says it indirectly, in general.
Now, Fox news and such say it all the time.
We see what the news service allow us to see. How many christians or others speak out against problems in their own religion or in-group?
Sorry, I think you are focusing on the negative things our media are wanting you to focus on. They simply do not replort normal people saying this is bad, that does not sell copy.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 When did I say that I believed that Islamic terrorism was the main form of terrorism? I don't believe I did in fact say that. What I said was that *some* Muslims are terrorists (and of course, not all terrorists are Muslims) but as this particular video was my problems with Islam specifically I only mentioned Muslim terrorists. Furthermore, I specifically said that among Muslims I know PERSONALLY there are those who don't speak out against terror.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
I wanted to make a serious point, that everyone is focused on the "Islamic Threat"
There is a far more serious threat.
I can personally tell you that people in any demographic will not speak out against it.
For every Muslim who will not speak out against muslim terrorism, I can find you an equal number who will not speak out against christian, animal rights, eco and so on terorrism.
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marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
I have 2 people in my street. One is northern Irish, the other is a victim of hte Warrington bombing.
Took a bit of her head off, so she has problems remembering things and recognising people.
This guy has never appologsed and has refused to condemn the Irish for htis horrid attack. Therefore all irish people are evil and responsible and should be condemned for not speakingout.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Let me be more clear.
If you point was
Some muslims are terrorists, then this was a pointless video as some christians are terrorists and some atheists are terrorists and some people who have nothing at all in their minds about religion in any direction are terrorists.
Your problem seems to be, you mentioned muslims you know who have not spoken out against terror attacks.
How many terror attacks in enland and ireland have YOU spoken out against?
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "How many terror attacks in enland and ireland have YOU spoken out against?" - If I was an Irish Catholic or a Protestant your point would be relevant.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Do you seriously believe the problem in Ireland is really about Catholics v Protestans? Seriously?
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Many of the terrorist attacks happened in England against English people. My next door neighbour Betty was wounded and had brain damage in the Warrington bombing.
So, tell me, when have you ever spoken against the terrorism in northern ireland that spills out into the rest of the UK?
If you want others to speak out, it is hypocrytical not to do so yourself.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "when have you ever spoken against the terrorism in northern ireland that spills out into the rest of the UK?"
If I was asked specifically about these acts of terrorism I would denounce the terrorists just like any normal person would. Some of the Muslims that I have spoken to have tentatively tried to make excuses for or defend those who have committed acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, and that to me demonstrates the brainwashing power of religion.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
It may be then because you are in America right now. The muslims I know here in Cheshire all speak out very strongly against terrorism and have publicly stated their abhorence of these crimes.
I do have to however point out the difference between speaking out, and answering a question that could be taken as an attack on you personally (given the mood in many western countries)
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marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
You have singled out Muslims here. The problem is, all religions act in this way, all religions brainwash followers to believe their cause is rightious and thus their methods are rightious.
You hit the nail on the head with "brainwashing power of religion", but failed when you concentrated on a specific religion. You have fallen for the right wing christian propaganda machine. Another demonstration of the brainwashing power of religion.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 If you'd seen my other videos, you'd have seen that I also did a "What's My Problem With..." video on Christianity. So I'm not just "picking on the Muslims".
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
I just fail to see the point of separating it out into all the different little god botherer groups. The problem is the same whichever one you choose.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "I just fail to see the point of separating it out into all the different little god botherer groups. The problem is the same whichever one you choose."
Agreed. But I didn't want to be accused of lumping all faiths together. I guess I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Ok. Specifics here. On your "what is my problem with.. Christianity" vid, you put disclaimer up front, stating you don't want anyone to think you are picking on christians. Why did you not put up a similar one on this or the previous one saying you don't want anyone to think you are picking on muslims?
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "Why did you not put up a similar one on this or the previous one saying you don't want anyone to think you are picking on muslims?" a simple oversight on my part. I will update the description as I certainly wouldn't want to be seen that way. :)
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
I have to ask though. Why the mistake? Surely you thought that it was important to not offend christianity, but you did not think it was important not to offend Islam?
If you held the two equally stupid then you would not have made the "mistake". This is a result of your upbringing, in short your conditioning from childhood, even if you reject christianity now, you have been conditioned to accept it as more true than all the other foolishness.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit
Read all of my comments and listen. You are being brainwashed right now, you are showing the effects of that brainwashing by the tone and content of your presentations. Think about it! Why did you apologise up front on the christian one but not on the muslim one?
Why the focus on terror on the muslim one? The answer is you have been brainwashed by the right wing christian media of the western world.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@marsoft4647 "Why did you apologise up front on the christian one but not on the muslim one?" Looking back, I probably thought I'd get more angry Christians than angry Muslims. I don't know, in all honesty. But certainly not because I thought it would be okay to offend Muslims.
"Why the focus on terror?" I guess the same question could be put to me about focusing on any one issue in the Christianity video - it may not be widespread and statistically insignificant but it still matters.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
I am Pakistani Muslim living in Pakistan and I agree with you that silence can be a crime for the silent majority if we don’t not have the courage to speak up to these minority extremists who are spoiling the repute of our religion and culture . Btw I’m not sure how the Muslims in Britain are reacting to this but in Pakistan I have noticed a quantum shift how the people have started kicking these people out of our society anyways we still have a long way to go to completely get rid of them
MyJ0ker 1 year ago
@MyJ0ker Thanks for your reply. It's great to hear from a Muslim who wishes to live in tolerance and peace. Good for you! :D Yes there is a long way to go but hopefully we'll get there in the end.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
Dalaran
mes9696 1 year ago
@mes9696 Where all the best mages train! :)
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit True, to bad Dalaran is all but a thing of the past at this point.
mes9696 1 year ago
Of course you don't see muslims speaking out about this stuff! Why don't you? Media Bias! The media don't like muslims but they aren't allowed to be biased. So they focus all their attention on the insane fuckers with hooks because that's how you tackle groups you don't want around anymore.
FreakBoi2008 1 year ago
@FreakBoi2008 I said in the video that there may well be a media bias, but I was also referring to muslims I know personally who claim to be moderate. I never hear them speaking up, in fact I often hear things such as "well you can see why they were driven to it" etc. which is another example of how religion can turn perfectly pleasant people into crazies.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit I know Muslims who have and will continue to speak out about this sort of crap but bare in mind that most Muslims, Christians or anyone else, for that matter, aren't politicized unless they feel that their own community is threatened. And I would argue that the British and American governments pose, at the very least, a higher perceived threat than extremists of their own religion who are, for better or worse, fighting- sort of- on their behalf.
FreakBoi2008 1 year ago
seems the more insanity in a religion, the better it survives.
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getcho01 1 year ago
You realize this radical muslim thing only became such an issue recently... it will stop when your government stops.. trust me.. they fuel the fire and when it burns they tell you to put it out... if you stop them from fueling it.. the fire will die down on it's own. They bomb and kill innocent muslims... turning ppl radical and then tell you to get the radicals.. it's not the radicals it's them that must be stopped.. they create the radicals and send u on a goose chase after them.
MyFunzy 1 year ago
@MyFunzy "it's not the radicals it's them that must be stopped.. " Here's an idea - how about we stop BOTH? That's what I've been saying this whole time.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit There's only 1 that is causing the problems... the radicals work speech within the law in the country.. if they commit a crime they will be arrested... they don't do anything...outside of that there are criminals who do stuff...who will be punished according to law.. however there are extreme cases in everything and everyone... the only actual issue is your government. Everything is in place to handle the "radicals" >>IF<< they get outta line... nothing is there to stop your gov.
MyFunzy 1 year ago
@MyFunzy Oh yeah of course, how silly of me. I'm sure if we just pulled out of the Middle East entirely tomorrow, left you all alone, that you wouldn't take any kind of revenge at all. How silly of me! I'd love for all the fighting to just stop, but it isn't that simple.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit First I live in Canada... and I'm Canadian... the 2nd is you have to pull out someday right?? Unless your planning on going broke and losing everything you have fighting such an expensive war so far away from home. Your so funny... no middle eastern nation has interballistic missiles... they can't attack us militarily. Why are you staying there on a silly assumption when you have no basis. I'm sure they'd want revenge but at this same cost it wouldn't be acted on.
MyFunzy 1 year ago
@MyFunzy Sorry for assuming you lived in the Middle East. I would very much like for us to pull out of the wars, but like I said, I don't believe it's quite that simple as just *leaving*. I don't claim to be an expert, nor do I know what the consequences of pulling out immediately would be. All I know is that the Middle Eastern wars are killing folks on BOTH sides and I'd love for that to stop. I thought I'd said that already? Why do you assume I'm on the side of the British government?
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
Do you care about the 1.1 million Iraqi's killed by the British and the Americans? Do you care about the use of the depleted Uranium on the people of Fallujah, Gaza and in various part of Afghanistan which is causing deformities in children and various cancers. Ofcourse muslims will go radical if you do this to them. How stupid can you be... if Iran killed 1.1 million Germans would Germans be upset? You sound so dumb... watch Loose Change or 7/7 Ripple Effect.. UR SO FREAKIN DUMB!
MyFunzy 1 year ago
@MyFunzy I take it your question was rhetorical but I'll answer it anyway. Yes of COURSE I care if ANY human being gets hurt, particularly if it's senseless and needless. Your assumption that because I dislike a religion I dislike the people who practice it is fallacious and stupid. But the answer to violence against civilians is NOT violence against more civilians!
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit WHAT??? Your asking for moderate muslims to speak out against him... and your not speaking out against ur psycho governments who have killed over a million people in the past 9 years including using illegal weapons on other governments. Your telling us to deal with these guys talking smack when you guys are murdering over a million... there's NO ARMY in AFG, There's no ARMY in IRAQ, there's no ARMY in GAZA.. ur killin innocent people the British army is the real radicals.. WAKE UP!
MyFunzy 1 year ago
@MyFunzy "and your not speaking out against ur psycho governments..."
How do you know that I'm not? If you'd bothered to ask, I'd have told you about how I went on several "Stop The War" protests before Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded. But of course you're playing the victim card and assuming that because I'm white and British I've got no problem with the British army being in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'll say it again (maybe you'll listen this time): I dislike ANY and ALL senseless killing!
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit OK so your calling for muslims to go after "radical muslims" when they haven't really done much wrong... like if you weight it on a scale it's practically nothing... and infact your governments are killing over a million innocent people... don't you think we should all just focus on your psycho governments that are killing millions and not the radical muslims who are barely a problem to anyone. Like what... they talk a bit of smack that you don't like? Come on.. murdering millions!
MyFunzy 1 year ago
@AtheistBrit Well Don't you agree that radical muslims arent' the problem... the problem is your psycho government doing false flag attacks and framing muslims ( which you must know by now ) and then invading their countries for profit at your expense and mine. There's radical Christians out there too... that's just a wild goose chase.. they bomb us and make them more radical and then want us to fight with the radicals.. and they bomb us more and make them more radical... ur argument is pointles
MyFunzy 1 year ago
I just don't believe in the existence of a "Moderate Islam".
Staldren 1 year ago
Very good points.
esh325 1 year ago
A Muslim cannot oppose quran!
Quran is extreme!
Taliban are "students of quran" and they are executing what is recommended in quran!
Any Muslim that opposes quran must be executed as the quran says!
Criticising religion for Muslims is not appropriate!
So speaking out against “extremists” makes no sense because they only do what the quran wants!
Mulsim will not approve radical Statements from quran to a non-Muslims because they allowed to lie to unbelievers!
malsifood 1 year ago
ahah i don't see any video againest pnp and thay are in parlament in uk
so shutup and sack my dick bitch
addan76 1 year ago
@addan76 Your comment perfectly illustrates her point about the muslim attitude towards women. Such poor culture (islam) can survive in the west only as long as our governments mantain their over protectionist policies towards undeserving minorities.
Staldren 1 year ago
@addan76 Who are the pnp? Do you mean the BNP? If so there are plenty of videos against them and although I haven't made any I happen to think they're a bunch of right-wing fascist bigots.
Also, please learn to spell. Thanks. :)
AtheistBrit 1 year ago
@addan76 I looked at your page. You are a Muslim. Shame on you for using that language and not being modest and humble and putting a stain on your faith and your God.
HaligonianType1 1 year ago 2
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Katalyzt 1 year ago
come on there is no problem with islam cocklander666 have said so..
abu hamza is the worst kind of muslimn, a convert.
of course there are muslims that dont give a scroll about these nonsences.
they even exist in your country, they called turkishcypriots and iranian refuges, some 600 000.
amet1980 1 year ago
@amet1980 "they even exist in your country, they called turkishcypriots and iranian refuges, some 600 000." - I was saying that I hadn't heard them speaking out. They may well have done, I just haven't heard it. I acknowledged that may have been from biased news reporting but my personal experience has been that I'm just not hearing it.
AtheistBrit 1 year ago