Anyone who is doing a job they don't absolutely love and would not do for free is economically coerced to do that job. Males are economically coerced to do many jobs because society expects them to be the main bread winners. Women treat men as success objects instead of people and that is also an economic coercion of males.
Im in the Netherlands where pros is legal, most pros come from other countries, about 70-80% of which most are severe sex trafficked (crime). Then there are Dutch girls/women themselves of which most are forced by pimps (crime), then there is about 10-20% left that may do it 'voluntarily', students, drugaddicts, low income/poor people and some that do it b/c they like it. Im in a rich country, but you can see most are trafficked, and if not is for money reasons.
2. Most of the time we talk about the subject, we are talking about affluent countries. But why don't you research how many of them are immigrants? You didn't think to ask? Are you suggesting that Migrant workers with huge debts to pay back and under other people's control are choosing it? The anti position is not that there aren't people that "choose" this(most of us are constrained and don't have a lot of choice, but ok...) It's the fact that with demand comes human trafficking and sex slavery
Would it kill you to research this topic? Do you know the demographic of sex workers in Australia? Have you ever researched trafficking? "remember to educate yourselves to the best of your ability", like you did for this video? Look, on you tube, you'll just get a bunch of people nodding if you say anything about prostitution being a grand choice. These guys don't know the first thing about human trafficking or care. But hey welcome to your new social club, that's what all this is about anyway.
It is legal in Denmark too. The idea that sex workers would be economically coerced into sex work is correct, only in the sense that everyone who works for a living is economically coerced into working. Sex work is not nearly the most dangerous kind of jobs there exist in the world, nor are they close to the worst kind of jobs, though what one finds to be better or worse is subjective and that is the main reason why anti sex worker should STFU.
@sWeepingsAnd Excepting trafficking, which we can all agree should be stopped, here in Denmark no one is forced into prostitution because they will not be able to eat, because we have a very well developed social security network which makes sure that even the poorest have at least a few thousand dollars a month to pay for their essentials. yet we have prostitutes who were not trafficked.
@sWeepingsAnd It is not a matter of the number of people in the country. it is a matter of the willingness of the people in the country to accept higher taxes in order to gain some security in their daily lives.
I do not see why, if they were willing to operate on a higher tax scale, a population of 300 million would not be able to have a stable social security system.
@sWeepingsAnd My point is pretty much that fixing the social security system will prevent women who do not want to enter into prostitution from being forced to. Again, excepting trafficking, which is an entirely different problem with a different solution.
@sWeepingsAnd the argument isn't over whether or not sucking dick to get money to get food is a problem, it's over whether or not all women in sex work choose to be there, which needs to be addressed only because there still exist grown adults in this world who have the minds and reasoning ability of primates, and opt for emotion over rationality regardless of the ultimate consequences....
Economic coercion would seem to require a direct and considerable manipulation, including purposely limiting other employment options, before this would really have much force as an argument. Otherwise, even if Australia was wide spreadly poor this alone would not justify the claim that sex work was coerced, especially given such options as starvation and abject poverty via poorer options for generating an income. That is, the free market is not in the business of coercing ppl in bad times.
@gedgetips The position of anti-sex feminists looks to be more about socialism than it is about advancing opportunities for women. It as if whatever is happening in an economy SHOULD be centrally controlled and that everyone "deserves" a "good job" as well as the govt doing everything it can to create equality of outcomes and redistribute wealth to prevent anyone having to do any sort of work deemed even semi-degrading in nature. They seem focused upon an idealized world.
Bliss you're a nerd refuting stupid claims with facts and shit. Divinity did smash their argument pretty throrololy and you stand pretty well on your own :)
University Feminist Priestess - Sex(less)-Ed 101
“When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression.”
- Sheila Jeffreys: professor, political activist and author
I love my sexy, fat manly cock, so do the sex-positive women that enjoy playing with me.
Most men are good, very hard-working human beings, not testosterone-poisoned evil.
Wimmin, you grow a pair, of brains cells, and light up your bigoted hate-filled heads.
redpillmofo 6 days ago
Anyone who is doing a job they don't absolutely love and would not do for free is economically coerced to do that job. Males are economically coerced to do many jobs because society expects them to be the main bread winners. Women treat men as success objects instead of people and that is also an economic coercion of males.
johnman1911 1 week ago
You have no tits so you shouldn't be allowed to speak.
peckerslap001 2 weeks ago
Im in the Netherlands where pros is legal, most pros come from other countries, about 70-80% of which most are severe sex trafficked (crime). Then there are Dutch girls/women themselves of which most are forced by pimps (crime), then there is about 10-20% left that may do it 'voluntarily', students, drugaddicts, low income/poor people and some that do it b/c they like it. Im in a rich country, but you can see most are trafficked, and if not is for money reasons.
Tuckercrew 2 weeks ago
2. Most of the time we talk about the subject, we are talking about affluent countries. But why don't you research how many of them are immigrants? You didn't think to ask? Are you suggesting that Migrant workers with huge debts to pay back and under other people's control are choosing it? The anti position is not that there aren't people that "choose" this(most of us are constrained and don't have a lot of choice, but ok...) It's the fact that with demand comes human trafficking and sex slavery
IndifferentSky 2 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky good questions, I left a comment, I can answer the question. She need to do research on this fer sure.
Tuckercrew 2 weeks ago
Would it kill you to research this topic? Do you know the demographic of sex workers in Australia? Have you ever researched trafficking? "remember to educate yourselves to the best of your ability", like you did for this video? Look, on you tube, you'll just get a bunch of people nodding if you say anything about prostitution being a grand choice. These guys don't know the first thing about human trafficking or care. But hey welcome to your new social club, that's what all this is about anyway.
IndifferentSky 2 weeks ago
It is legal in Denmark too. The idea that sex workers would be economically coerced into sex work is correct, only in the sense that everyone who works for a living is economically coerced into working. Sex work is not nearly the most dangerous kind of jobs there exist in the world, nor are they close to the worst kind of jobs, though what one finds to be better or worse is subjective and that is the main reason why anti sex worker should STFU.
TheRenekruse 3 weeks ago
@TheRenekruse Very good point, I totally agree! :)
BlissfulMelancholy 3 weeks ago
I don't appreciate you putting an ad on this video. SELL OUT!
FallenRaccoon 3 weeks ago
Since women have sex "anti-sex feminist" can't make any sense ever.
WorthlessLoser8 3 weeks ago
@WorthlessLoser8 How?
FallenRaccoon 3 weeks ago
@FallenRaccoon
If you are against sex you are not an advocate for women.
WorthlessLoser8 3 weeks ago
Suck a dick or don't eat, ain't no problem;
People in Australia do it!
sWeepingsAnd 4 weeks ago
@sWeepingsAnd Excepting trafficking, which we can all agree should be stopped, here in Denmark no one is forced into prostitution because they will not be able to eat, because we have a very well developed social security network which makes sure that even the poorest have at least a few thousand dollars a month to pay for their essentials. yet we have prostitutes who were not trafficked.
1stCainite 4 weeks ago
@1stCainite good for denmark, a country with a bit over 5 mil people.
sWeepingsAnd 3 weeks ago
@sWeepingsAnd It is not a matter of the number of people in the country. it is a matter of the willingness of the people in the country to accept higher taxes in order to gain some security in their daily lives.
I do not see why, if they were willing to operate on a higher tax scale, a population of 300 million would not be able to have a stable social security system.
1stCainite 3 weeks ago
@1stCainite and why not fix that first;
before allowing the lower classes women to be conscripted into the sex industry?
don't you respect them?
sWeepingsAnd 3 weeks ago
@sWeepingsAnd My point is pretty much that fixing the social security system will prevent women who do not want to enter into prostitution from being forced to. Again, excepting trafficking, which is an entirely different problem with a different solution.
1stCainite 3 weeks ago
@sWeepingsAnd the argument isn't over whether or not sucking dick to get money to get food is a problem, it's over whether or not all women in sex work choose to be there, which needs to be addressed only because there still exist grown adults in this world who have the minds and reasoning ability of primates, and opt for emotion over rationality regardless of the ultimate consequences....
regresseur 3 weeks ago
@regresseur so again, because some people choose to suck dick for money;
its okay for others to starve or suck did to survive.
sWeepingsAnd 3 weeks ago
Radfems make no sense. Great video :)
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 4 weeks ago
Economic coercion would seem to require a direct and considerable manipulation, including purposely limiting other employment options, before this would really have much force as an argument. Otherwise, even if Australia was wide spreadly poor this alone would not justify the claim that sex work was coerced, especially given such options as starvation and abject poverty via poorer options for generating an income. That is, the free market is not in the business of coercing ppl in bad times.
gedgetips 4 weeks ago
@gedgetips The position of anti-sex feminists looks to be more about socialism than it is about advancing opportunities for women. It as if whatever is happening in an economy SHOULD be centrally controlled and that everyone "deserves" a "good job" as well as the govt doing everything it can to create equality of outcomes and redistribute wealth to prevent anyone having to do any sort of work deemed even semi-degrading in nature. They seem focused upon an idealized world.
gedgetips 4 weeks ago
Thanks for the video response luv.
Divinity33372 4 weeks ago
Bliss you're a nerd refuting stupid claims with facts and shit. Divinity did smash their argument pretty throrololy and you stand pretty well on your own :)
SunshineAgo 4 weeks ago