I am 43 and I never voted. Why vote for someone who cannot make a difference no matter how much he/she tries to manipulate your vote in the begininng. Why is this guy so bent on sounding smart. "donstudy" whatever...
why not just way voting gives power to any form of goverment to control everyday hard working people who are already struggling to make ends meet. read the last paragraph of the Declation of Independence not even our for fathers tried to sound smart.
Love it!, Finally people are waking up to realize, the only reason we had to have"representatives"go and speak for us was because we couldn't possibly all be there.whether it be"cityhall",the"Capitol"or"Washington"or now the"U.N."&other Worldwide political arena's where they make the decisions for"us"BUT THE WORLD HAS CHANGED AND WE CAN NOW REPRESENT"OURSELVES"ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WITH TODAYS TECHNOLOGY(comp/internet).and they are afraid.&trying2stopit
@TheGeminilexx So true! More & more people are realizing what a joke this whole thing is & they are choosing to reject everything about it, including the delusional "right to vote" nonsense.
Mandie is just a frustrated crybaby who blames and demonizes the government because she’s not educated enough or ambitious enough to face the complex issues of life. Her scheme of reality is nothing but the “feelings” of a weak, frustrated loser. She can’t defend her views with rational arguments because she has not studied political science or philosophy. She’s only concerned with buying more shoes and clothes [made by slave labor] in the third world. It’s just a big crybaby cop out.
@donstudy I'm sorry I couldn't reply to you immediately, I was working. But now that I know what a psychopath you are, I'm glad I was too busy getting myself some money to be lurking on youtube 24 hours per day.
People vote for a person who they want to represent them on whatever level of local, state or national government it happens to be. Most people in office are there because they are voted in [some are appointed by others that are voted in]. Now just look at all that these people in government do whether it be good or bad. So how can anyone say that voting doesn't accomplish anything. It's a completely illogical statement. Everything that governement does is the result of people voting.
@donstudy I thought that was the point. Voting does do something, after all. It legitimizes the abuses of a distant state, to the detriment of individual liberty and the true civic society of neighborhoods and communities. Real politics are local, after all, and practiced every day between citizens resolving disputes amongst themselves without the intervention of a faceless government.
Hourly workers don't have to lose money. My polling place opens at 5am, and closes at 8pm. Who works from 5-8 every day?
Voting does plenty. Your voice is heard/counted. Just because you don't get your way all the time doesn't mean your voice wasn't heard.
There will always be some form of government (even in Somalia). You can participate in it and have a say, or do nothing and live with what other people want. For me, the choice is obvious.
@123gwf That's like saying "there will always be some form of sexual assault happening so we must advocate for it". You can advocate for something that is immoral if you want to. I will not. It doesn't matter if that thing won't go away. I'm still not going to advocate for it's existence with my actions or words.
@rockstarofredondo The problem with that analogy is that I don't think all government is bad. I think there is good gov and bad gov, just like there is consensual sex and forced sex.
The analogy would be better put: "There will always be some form of sexual assault, so we must have some means of fighting against it and punishing it."
@123gwf There is no such thing as consensual government. You cannot call it government if it's voluntary. That is something that must be understood to have this conversation.
@rockstarofredondo I don't agree -- if you just can't tolerate something a government does, you can leave the jurisdiction (state, or nation, or maybe just county), you can work to make changes so that it is tolerable, or in extremely rare cases you can work to overthrow it if it really is just that bad.
By living here and refusing to work to make changes, you more or less consent to it. Call it force or violence on their part, I call it abdication on your part.
@123gwf The difference is, my description of the government is accurate, based on factual observations of what government actually does, while your description of me is derived from your emotional & therefore irrational reaction to my choice to refuse to participate in the violent & coercive system. Basically, you're saying, if you don't want to be robbed, move out of reach of the robbers. This is along the lines of victim-blaming.
@rockstarofredondo You can move out of the way of the robbing or you can stop the robbing or you can kill the robbers.
What you can't do is sit still and do nothing, and then complain about being powerless. You have a self-fulfilling prophecy. You say you have no power, so you don't participate in the process where power is allocated, and then, naturally, you end up with very little power.
Turning your back on the problem isn't going to make the problem go away.
@123gwf It's a state of mind. Voting is done to enact change. I'm with George Carlin; if you do vote, you have no right to bitch because you condoned the stupidity that ensues when politicians do the exact opposite of what they say they'll do. Must be a lot of egg on a lot of faces after Obama got such a turnout in his election, only to extend the Patriot Act and perpetuate the state of warfare he claimed he'd end. Read my lips; no new taxes.What's the definition of insanity again?
@intricatic You're absolutely right that politicians seem to break their word almost always. In my mind, that is all the more reason to vote, to get involved, to, hopefully, uproot these jerks who are ruining this country.
And voting is only a small part of the equation. Once they are in office, you have to stay red hot on them from start to finish, to make sure they do the right thing. It's a lot of work, but we see the result of people not doing that in the government we currently have.
@123gwf Trust me, I've explored all of the ideologies & reasoning that you are presenting here, plus more. This is the conclusion I have come to, after all of that. Politics doesn't work except for the very few on the receiving end. They are duping you into belieiving you can be or are a part of it. It's not true...
@rockstarofredondo There are plenty of instances in history in which the public rose up and demanded change from their government, or instances in which ordinary people got involved in politics and made changes from within.
I think you are allowing the incredibly dysfunctional, non-responsive current government that we have to sour you on government in general.
What do you expect to happen if everyone followed your example?
@123gwf The general history of politics has been one of tyranny, usurpation of power, abuse of power, usually leading to a revolution meant to liberalize the form of government and address the rightly aired grievances of the public against their abusers. In time, the new government becomes the old government in practice, while still spouting off the same liberal mantras that began the revolution. Divorcing the madness is the first step towards the recovery of individual human dignity.
@123gwf So the solution is to maintenance the conditions under which the problem is perpetuated? The problem, as it were, is that government is implicitly tied to money, and will forever be so because of what government exists to do. Throughout all of human history this has been the universal standard by which rulers have ruled their citizenry. I don't see that changing just because I voted one bastard out of office, only to gain a new bastard. It's a serpent eating it's own tail.
@intricatic Well, I could just as easily point out the paucity of democracy throughout history. And now that we have a representative democracy, people won't even bother to do so little as vote. And then they wonder why things don't get any better.
@123gwf The people who don't vote maybe didn't always act that way. Many did vote. Many voted for many years. Many know people who have voted in every election since the '30s and wonder what the point is, yet still do it as a habit. Many have read too many books, too many pieces of legislation, too many speech transcripts, and have come to the conclusion that it's all a stage drama meant to distract people from the reality of their daily lives. Politics exist there, first and foremost.
@intricatic If you have a problem with corrupt money in politics, you should advocate for that issue. It's an important one.
And not all politicians are bad. It feels that way these days, but even now there are good people out there. If you don't support these good people, then they will get voted out of office, and you will have created a self-fulfilling prophecy again -- no good people in politics, so you don't vote, the good people are voted out, and viola there are no good people left.
@123gwf That's just it, though. Well intentioned people become politicians. The realization of power, and the majority rules of democratic representative governance will, over time, destroy those intentions in a majority of cases. It's likewise impossible to remove corrupt(able) money from politics without stripping politics of economic affairs, which eliminates the entire spectrum of government. Taxation, regulation, welfare, lobbying, licensing, etc... all go the way of the dodo.
@intricatic This idea that governments are necessarily corrupt insofar as they deal with anything to do with money is obviously someting I wouldn't agree with.
You seem to think this is the case in principle, no matter what, and I don't think you have any basis for that.
@123gwf I don't think government is always corrupt, ipso facto, but like all things possible, economic governance carries a high risk of corrupting individual politicians. The state of politics today is a natural evolution of this fact as measured over time, which is a historical standard lacking variation. E.G. it's the natural end-game of politics to cave into those sources of corruption. So why support professional politics at all if there can be a more functional alternative?
@intricatic It does carry a high risk of corruption -- all the more reason for citizens to stay involved and put plenty of sunshine on these guys every step of the way.
@123gwf Self-interest is a strong motivator. Politicians are people, too, and it follows they have interests specific to themselves. I'm following my self-interest in avoiding politics, as the state has done nothing but pollute my life with barriers, penalties and pedantry. I could try to change the things that bother me, but that would take four lifetimes at best, given the dominant mindset in America. It seems preferable to have as little contact with the state as possible, instead.
@intricatic It probably won't take four lifetimes to change most things, but even if it did, better to start now. Think of the civil rights movement. That took a long time, but it was a worthwhile cause, even for the people who never lived to see it come to fruition. That's also a great example of citizens changing the way government acts for the better. It's not likely they would have gotten those rights if they all holed up in their basement 24/7.
@123gwf Who wants to hole up in their basement? The civil rights movement was a marginal success, but the laws and regulations that movement spawned are backwards and ineffective for anything other than breaking down the distinction between private and public property. This is part of my point. The ends don't justify the means. Rather than exerting power over group X, on group Y's behalf, I'd rather not exert power over anyone on anyone's behalf. Coercion breeds contempt.
@intricatic People who refuse to participate in the political process are basically in the basement. They aren't participating. They are politically reclusive.
@123gwf Either that, or they view politics in a more holistic way and live accordingly. Organization is better when it's voluntary and natural, as opposed to mechanical and coerced. I don't want to give assent to any public official who's going to use the power vested in him or her to exert force over a group for some supposed social good they, or even I, may or may not agree with or want. Ergo, I prefer to leave things of a civic nature to the discretion of the individual.
@123gwf That's like saying that a woman who walks away from an abusive husband is reclusive & living in the basement. People have all kinds of reasons that they don't vote. You can't honestly claim to know all the individual reasons that people choose what they choose in life. You're just saying things like this out of frustration.
@rockstarofredondo People do probably have lots of reasons for not voting. Most of the time it boils down to apathy and/or frustration with the current government we have.
My point is simple -- you can't avoid government so you might as well make the best out of it, and fight for the good cause. If you don't, things will only get worse. And there are plenty of instances in history that show that positive change is possible.
@123gwf I have explored & endorsed every point you have made here at some time in the past & I have still come to the conclusion that if I want the idea that some people should be allowed to be violent against others to go out of style, then I cannot participate in anything that perpetuates that idea.
@123gwf Contrary to your emotional reaction to my choice to not participate in immorality, I am not "doing nothing". I do not wish you the same good luck in your perpetuating of the immorality of the state.
@donstudy Your question implies that because of government, those things don't exist, which we all know, is not true. What I am advocating is that people stop calling the mafia a legitimate organization & making a legal place for criminals to go get jobs & stop saying that violence is peaceful & stop calling coercion, voluntary. Does that clear things up for you?
@rockstarofredondo I think that anti-statist beliefs are promoted by the bad example all our governments give. If our government was like a greater clan it would seem natural to support it and obey it -- like you obey your father. But (especially among Whites) clans are long destroyed and families are were destroyed in the 1960s. So we never experienced it to obey your father and belong to a clan. We need to regain this or we will get wiped out.
@GottfriedFeder I don't "obey" my father or anyone else for that matter. Authority has never proven to be a valid idea in any way, just some more bullshit sold by those snake oil salesmen who don't want to be productive but want to shuffle & boss others around while robbing them. This comment/idea is absolute garbage.
@rockstarofredondo You have heard all those crazy conspiracy theories that a small group of people rules the world. Well, it is hard to believe, but in general these theories are true. All recent governments are the enemies of the common people. But that does not mean, all imaginably governments have to be. In a complex society with industries and military someone needs to be the boss.
@rockstarofredondo In order to have some kind of structure in society, don't we need to have people put in charge of certain things? Like police for instance. Isn't that a good thing; or do you think we should just fight it out amungst? I wonder if you ever thought about what society would look like if there was no government and no rules. Wouldn't it be the law of the jungle? If you think it's bad now; try to imagine survival of the fittest. How do you think you would be treated then?
@rockstarofredondo Mandie is a fraud. I tried many times to engage her in a serious discussion with no success [she even blocked me for exposing her ignorance]. All I was trying to do was steer her toward a deeper understanding of the issues and the little crybaby blocked me. She doesn’t want to learn or find any real answers. She just wants to vent her “feelings” [which she tries to pass off as serious arguments]. Try to realize that this little show is all she really has in her life.
@intricatic That's right. it's the voters, those who agree to be a participant in this system, that are in no position to complain, & who are culpable, if anyone is. & I DO remember that definition of insanity. Let's see if the statists can...
It would be nice if statists could have discussions without using strawman tactics every time. I can't remember a statist commenting on one of my vids, that didn't attempt to attribute arguments to me that I never made.
Yup, voting is B.S. Its not who votes that count, but who COUNTS the vote! Diebold machines cannot see who voted for whom, trade secret..total corruption!
@Veloce3 I don't think you get it. The point is to not vote PERIOD, regardless of who is running. No one can represent "the people." I represent me, you represent you, in the various markets we choose to participate in. NOT direct democracy. I don't want others making decisions for me, anymore than you want me making decisions for you.
@DancesWithWindmills : Perhaps your perception of what I am saying is limited and so it may be you that does not "get it". That aside, its apparent to me that the current system in its current format is flawed and specifically that flaw is a consequence of CORRUPTION. In order to live your life, you should be free to make decisions that affect YOU. However, government(SMALL) IS required for the management of ancillaries. I'm guessing that YOU aren't going to manage schools and roads for example?
@rockstarofredondo I agree, but again I repeat, the process to getting to an ideological scenario can ONLY be achieved via an inclusive evolutionary process. Attempting change using extremes to the current format will NOT work. Do you want change or do you just want to express your ideology without any workable alternative.There needs to be a starting point and its a process that requires your involvement. Government does not have to be about violence. It should be about Justice and Equality.
@Veloce3 I can't control what others do. I can, however control what I do with my own life, & that is how I live liberty. Notice how my vid is called "Why I don't vote" rather than "Why others should not vote". I cannot hand out conclusions or solutions, people need to arrive at them on their own.
@rockstarofredondo : Just wishing for an anarchical utopia limits the view that you have of the current system. Take the current system and make it better, until you get to the point that would clearly ensure benefits for all. We all make the mistake of getting wrapped up in LABELS. THESE LABELS ARE DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU , US , RESTRICTED. Don't fall into their trap.
@Veloce3 I can't have a meaningful or honest conversation with someone who puts words in my mouth & attributes things to me that I did not ever express, & unfortunately, right now, that is you.
Is your idea in itself not a form of violence, should you impose it on others. Just because YOU are an anarchist and want that type of society, are you insisting that everyone else should live by the same standard?
@DancesWithWindmills : Your delusional disposition should be applauded. It reminds me of how responsibility should only be given to those that are willing to accept it.
@Veloce3 Ah yes. Typical. I point out the flaw in someone's logic, and they get upset and try to insult me. Saying that I am delusional is not an attack on my argument..... The fact that you think *SCHOOLING* of all things, should be left to government, means you still have a long way to go before you're even a political libertarian... so recognizing the anarchist ideal is still a ways away. You'll get there if you continue to ask questions though! Keep reading, and best of luck!
@DancesWithWindmills ;-) Yeh you see , the small government that I am talking about is likely to be completely different from the perception of Government that you have. I understand your fear of Government but it does not have to make you scared. Real , Authentic representatives of "libertarianism"( I know you like LABELS) can administer processes and systems that would be of benefit to all , unlike the current system. All I am saying is don't get involved in a battle you cannot win.
@Veloce3 I do not doubt that your idea of government is different from most. I was a minarchist at one point too. The "night watchman statist." But I don't accept the legitimacy of their claim to tax. If police are deemed necessary for the social good, why not healthcare? Why not roads? Why not the DEA?....As for it being an unwinnable battle, they said the same thing about institutionalized slavery too. Never say never :) ...Also, claiming impossibility does not refute anarchism's desirability
Very well put!.............What BAFFLES me is that we the electorate continue to vote even though their is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that what we vote for materialises, yet we still do it. Usually we do it in the desperate attempt for the MESS that was created to dissolve and to get better, yet it NEVER happens, the desired effect NEVER transpires.
DO NOT VOTE, IT IS SIMPLY IDIOTIC. Let me rephrase that, DO NOT VOTE until we get some REAL PEOPLE that actually are REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE.
Voting now is useless. Basically what it boils down to do is do you want the idiot of the left or the idiot on the right? When the cameras and teleprompters are off these scumbags go to the same restaurants and talk about their latest insider trades (which apparently their somehow except from).
I have voted in every election since 92. I woke up in 08 when Obama was elected. I couldn't stand McCain but voted for him anyway (where is the logic in that). I really want to vote for Ron Paul this time around but I'm debating. I used to be republican all the way because I was pretty much brainwashed. I'm starting to think like you and George Carlin. I like what Carlin has to say about it.. "If you vote, you have no right to complain! Because its your fault, I had nothing to do with it!".
I vote...locally....state.....national............ Now is this your view Redondo or is it an anarchist attitude not to vote? : ) As for you living in Cali, Gov. Brown is running people out of there deliberately
@Travelswithdan No it's not an "anarchist attitude", however, some people who consider themselves anarchists vote, while others do not. I'm going to make an estimate that most do not.
If I am losing "money", then I am losing nothing, as the "dollar" was declared worthless in 1968. Voting for the "lessor of two evils" propagates evil.
I normally don't bother... but this time I think I'll vote for Ron Paul just to show all the other moron candidates that some of us think outside the box. And since all the main street media, and both parties hate him... I'll do it just to spite them.
I think the so called vote is just an illusory ploy to make the people thing they got a democracy. That they have a choice when the PTB has already picked the winner and let you think the people voted so in so in. Personaly I don't believe Politicians actualy do anything postive. Mostly it is all Wizard of Oz with behind the curtains Oliogharcy who actually controll everything.
The only thing you control is makeing videos, what you gonna have to dinner and who you sleep with.
I don't either. None of the owned tools & corporatist puppets are worth leaving the house to wait in line @ the polls for. Remember we wouldn't have elections or be allowed to "vote" if it wasn't rigged in their favor. When you vote, you are saying that you consider this rigged system to be legitimate. If voting actually changed things for better for us (the people), it would be illegal. This country was bought, sold & paid-for decades ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years? MEANINGLESS!
@rg2027x So true. It is the illusion of power. If Voting actually worked, then why after generations of it do we still have a corporate owned government system that enslaves the people and takes everything from us without so much as a second thought to the damage it does?
Voting is just a show, to let the uneducated think they are actually doing something to change the world, then let them get back to their couch and complain for 4 years and blame the person they didn't actually vote for.
@Snowblindinfinity It's absolutely a show...unfortunately. The concept of voting is great! But the system has become so ultimately corrupt$ it's a joke.
All this back & forth debate, "left vs right" garbage propagated by govcorp TV "news" media, implies that there are really choices in this country - that we truly have choices.
It's an illusion.
Americans are meant to feel 'free" by the exercise of meaningless choice..
Voting exists so we believe we have 'influence", a "seat at the table'..
youre the muthafuckin shit! with u 100%
D1E5ECT 2 weeks ago 2
I am 43 and I never voted. Why vote for someone who cannot make a difference no matter how much he/she tries to manipulate your vote in the begininng. Why is this guy so bent on sounding smart. "donstudy" whatever...
why not just way voting gives power to any form of goverment to control everyday hard working people who are already struggling to make ends meet. read the last paragraph of the Declation of Independence not even our for fathers tried to sound smart.
UTheGoalisSoul2 1 month ago
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kduck1009 1 month ago
Love it!, Finally people are waking up to realize, the only reason we had to have"representatives"go and speak for us was because we couldn't possibly all be there.whether it be"cityhall",the"Capitol"or"Washington"or now the"U.N."&other Worldwide political arena's where they make the decisions for"us"BUT THE WORLD HAS CHANGED AND WE CAN NOW REPRESENT"OURSELVES"ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WITH TODAYS TECHNOLOGY(comp/internet).and they are afraid.&trying2stopit
keepitup!
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TheGeminilexx 1 month ago in playlist More videos from rockstarofredondo
@TheGeminilexx So true! More & more people are realizing what a joke this whole thing is & they are choosing to reject everything about it, including the delusional "right to vote" nonsense.
rockstarofredondo 1 month ago
Who is Mandie? I feel left out of the loop. RockStar get in touch :) - u disappeared :o
lcpdesign 2 months ago
@lcpdesign Manide is the name that this psycho imagines is mine. I attract the nutters, always have...
rockstarofredondo 2 months ago
Mandie is just a frustrated crybaby who blames and demonizes the government because she’s not educated enough or ambitious enough to face the complex issues of life. Her scheme of reality is nothing but the “feelings” of a weak, frustrated loser. She can’t defend her views with rational arguments because she has not studied political science or philosophy. She’s only concerned with buying more shoes and clothes [made by slave labor] in the third world. It’s just a big crybaby cop out.
donstudy 2 months ago
@donstudy I'm sorry I couldn't reply to you immediately, I was working. But now that I know what a psychopath you are, I'm glad I was too busy getting myself some money to be lurking on youtube 24 hours per day.
rockstarofredondo 2 months ago
People vote for a person who they want to represent them on whatever level of local, state or national government it happens to be. Most people in office are there because they are voted in [some are appointed by others that are voted in]. Now just look at all that these people in government do whether it be good or bad. So how can anyone say that voting doesn't accomplish anything. It's a completely illogical statement. Everything that governement does is the result of people voting.
donstudy 3 months ago in playlist More videos from rockstarofredondo
@donstudy The truth is hard to hear sometimes. It used to break my heart, too.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@donstudy I thought that was the point. Voting does do something, after all. It legitimizes the abuses of a distant state, to the detriment of individual liberty and the true civic society of neighborhoods and communities. Real politics are local, after all, and practiced every day between citizens resolving disputes amongst themselves without the intervention of a faceless government.
intricatic 2 months ago
we shouldnt have to choose between the lesser of two evils.......or three evils...
it's all outta control.
ProthoPectore 3 months ago
@ProthoPectore Just walk away from their game.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo
to where?
ProthoPectore 3 months ago
@ProthoPectore Walk away from the process. Don't participate if you disagree with it.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo
....does not compute...
....beep beep whir whir....
walk away from the process to where / what?
protholand?
prothocracy?
:)
?
ProthoPectore 3 months ago
@ProthoPectore It's metaphorical.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
but you'll get a sticker...
ES&S and Diebold own the vote.
next time i'm handin' the nice old ladies a note that says;
"NO CONFIDENCE"
ProthoPectore 3 months ago
Hourly workers don't have to lose money. My polling place opens at 5am, and closes at 8pm. Who works from 5-8 every day?
Voting does plenty. Your voice is heard/counted. Just because you don't get your way all the time doesn't mean your voice wasn't heard.
There will always be some form of government (even in Somalia). You can participate in it and have a say, or do nothing and live with what other people want. For me, the choice is obvious.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf That's like saying "there will always be some form of sexual assault happening so we must advocate for it". You can advocate for something that is immoral if you want to. I will not. It doesn't matter if that thing won't go away. I'm still not going to advocate for it's existence with my actions or words.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo The problem with that analogy is that I don't think all government is bad. I think there is good gov and bad gov, just like there is consensual sex and forced sex.
The analogy would be better put: "There will always be some form of sexual assault, so we must have some means of fighting against it and punishing it."
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf There is no such thing as consensual government. You cannot call it government if it's voluntary. That is something that must be understood to have this conversation.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo I don't agree -- if you just can't tolerate something a government does, you can leave the jurisdiction (state, or nation, or maybe just county), you can work to make changes so that it is tolerable, or in extremely rare cases you can work to overthrow it if it really is just that bad.
By living here and refusing to work to make changes, you more or less consent to it. Call it force or violence on their part, I call it abdication on your part.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf The difference is, my description of the government is accurate, based on factual observations of what government actually does, while your description of me is derived from your emotional & therefore irrational reaction to my choice to refuse to participate in the violent & coercive system. Basically, you're saying, if you don't want to be robbed, move out of reach of the robbers. This is along the lines of victim-blaming.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo You can move out of the way of the robbing or you can stop the robbing or you can kill the robbers.
What you can't do is sit still and do nothing, and then complain about being powerless. You have a self-fulfilling prophecy. You say you have no power, so you don't participate in the process where power is allocated, and then, naturally, you end up with very little power.
Turning your back on the problem isn't going to make the problem go away.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf It's a state of mind. Voting is done to enact change. I'm with George Carlin; if you do vote, you have no right to bitch because you condoned the stupidity that ensues when politicians do the exact opposite of what they say they'll do. Must be a lot of egg on a lot of faces after Obama got such a turnout in his election, only to extend the Patriot Act and perpetuate the state of warfare he claimed he'd end. Read my lips; no new taxes.What's the definition of insanity again?
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic You're absolutely right that politicians seem to break their word almost always. In my mind, that is all the more reason to vote, to get involved, to, hopefully, uproot these jerks who are ruining this country.
And voting is only a small part of the equation. Once they are in office, you have to stay red hot on them from start to finish, to make sure they do the right thing. It's a lot of work, but we see the result of people not doing that in the government we currently have.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf Trust me, I've explored all of the ideologies & reasoning that you are presenting here, plus more. This is the conclusion I have come to, after all of that. Politics doesn't work except for the very few on the receiving end. They are duping you into belieiving you can be or are a part of it. It's not true...
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo There are plenty of instances in history in which the public rose up and demanded change from their government, or instances in which ordinary people got involved in politics and made changes from within.
I think you are allowing the incredibly dysfunctional, non-responsive current government that we have to sour you on government in general.
What do you expect to happen if everyone followed your example?
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf The general history of politics has been one of tyranny, usurpation of power, abuse of power, usually leading to a revolution meant to liberalize the form of government and address the rightly aired grievances of the public against their abusers. In time, the new government becomes the old government in practice, while still spouting off the same liberal mantras that began the revolution. Divorcing the madness is the first step towards the recovery of individual human dignity.
intricatic 3 months ago
@123gwf So the solution is to maintenance the conditions under which the problem is perpetuated? The problem, as it were, is that government is implicitly tied to money, and will forever be so because of what government exists to do. Throughout all of human history this has been the universal standard by which rulers have ruled their citizenry. I don't see that changing just because I voted one bastard out of office, only to gain a new bastard. It's a serpent eating it's own tail.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic Well, I could just as easily point out the paucity of democracy throughout history. And now that we have a representative democracy, people won't even bother to do so little as vote. And then they wonder why things don't get any better.
123gwf 3 months ago
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intricatic 3 months ago
@123gwf The people who don't vote maybe didn't always act that way. Many did vote. Many voted for many years. Many know people who have voted in every election since the '30s and wonder what the point is, yet still do it as a habit. Many have read too many books, too many pieces of legislation, too many speech transcripts, and have come to the conclusion that it's all a stage drama meant to distract people from the reality of their daily lives. Politics exist there, first and foremost.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic If you have a problem with corrupt money in politics, you should advocate for that issue. It's an important one.
And not all politicians are bad. It feels that way these days, but even now there are good people out there. If you don't support these good people, then they will get voted out of office, and you will have created a self-fulfilling prophecy again -- no good people in politics, so you don't vote, the good people are voted out, and viola there are no good people left.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf That's just it, though. Well intentioned people become politicians. The realization of power, and the majority rules of democratic representative governance will, over time, destroy those intentions in a majority of cases. It's likewise impossible to remove corrupt(able) money from politics without stripping politics of economic affairs, which eliminates the entire spectrum of government. Taxation, regulation, welfare, lobbying, licensing, etc... all go the way of the dodo.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic This idea that governments are necessarily corrupt insofar as they deal with anything to do with money is obviously someting I wouldn't agree with.
You seem to think this is the case in principle, no matter what, and I don't think you have any basis for that.
123gwf 3 months ago
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intricatic 3 months ago
@123gwf I don't think government is always corrupt, ipso facto, but like all things possible, economic governance carries a high risk of corrupting individual politicians. The state of politics today is a natural evolution of this fact as measured over time, which is a historical standard lacking variation. E.G. it's the natural end-game of politics to cave into those sources of corruption. So why support professional politics at all if there can be a more functional alternative?
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic It does carry a high risk of corruption -- all the more reason for citizens to stay involved and put plenty of sunshine on these guys every step of the way.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf Self-interest is a strong motivator. Politicians are people, too, and it follows they have interests specific to themselves. I'm following my self-interest in avoiding politics, as the state has done nothing but pollute my life with barriers, penalties and pedantry. I could try to change the things that bother me, but that would take four lifetimes at best, given the dominant mindset in America. It seems preferable to have as little contact with the state as possible, instead.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic It probably won't take four lifetimes to change most things, but even if it did, better to start now. Think of the civil rights movement. That took a long time, but it was a worthwhile cause, even for the people who never lived to see it come to fruition. That's also a great example of citizens changing the way government acts for the better. It's not likely they would have gotten those rights if they all holed up in their basement 24/7.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf Who wants to hole up in their basement? The civil rights movement was a marginal success, but the laws and regulations that movement spawned are backwards and ineffective for anything other than breaking down the distinction between private and public property. This is part of my point. The ends don't justify the means. Rather than exerting power over group X, on group Y's behalf, I'd rather not exert power over anyone on anyone's behalf. Coercion breeds contempt.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic People who refuse to participate in the political process are basically in the basement. They aren't participating. They are politically reclusive.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf Either that, or they view politics in a more holistic way and live accordingly. Organization is better when it's voluntary and natural, as opposed to mechanical and coerced. I don't want to give assent to any public official who's going to use the power vested in him or her to exert force over a group for some supposed social good they, or even I, may or may not agree with or want. Ergo, I prefer to leave things of a civic nature to the discretion of the individual.
intricatic 3 months ago
@123gwf That's like saying that a woman who walks away from an abusive husband is reclusive & living in the basement. People have all kinds of reasons that they don't vote. You can't honestly claim to know all the individual reasons that people choose what they choose in life. You're just saying things like this out of frustration.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo People do probably have lots of reasons for not voting. Most of the time it boils down to apathy and/or frustration with the current government we have.
My point is simple -- you can't avoid government so you might as well make the best out of it, and fight for the good cause. If you don't, things will only get worse. And there are plenty of instances in history that show that positive change is possible.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf I have explored & endorsed every point you have made here at some time in the past & I have still come to the conclusion that if I want the idea that some people should be allowed to be violent against others to go out of style, then I cannot participate in anything that perpetuates that idea.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo Well, good luck with that. Let me know how much better things get by virtue of doing nothing to improve them.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf Contrary to your emotional reaction to my choice to not participate in immorality, I am not "doing nothing". I do not wish you the same good luck in your perpetuating of the immorality of the state.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
I want to ask
donstudy 3 months ago in playlist More videos from rockstarofredondo
@donstudy Your question implies that because of government, those things don't exist, which we all know, is not true. What I am advocating is that people stop calling the mafia a legitimate organization & making a legal place for criminals to go get jobs & stop saying that violence is peaceful & stop calling coercion, voluntary. Does that clear things up for you?
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo I think that anti-statist beliefs are promoted by the bad example all our governments give. If our government was like a greater clan it would seem natural to support it and obey it -- like you obey your father. But (especially among Whites) clans are long destroyed and families are were destroyed in the 1960s. So we never experienced it to obey your father and belong to a clan. We need to regain this or we will get wiped out.
GottfriedFeder 3 months ago
@GottfriedFeder I don't "obey" my father or anyone else for that matter. Authority has never proven to be a valid idea in any way, just some more bullshit sold by those snake oil salesmen who don't want to be productive but want to shuffle & boss others around while robbing them. This comment/idea is absolute garbage.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo You have heard all those crazy conspiracy theories that a small group of people rules the world. Well, it is hard to believe, but in general these theories are true. All recent governments are the enemies of the common people. But that does not mean, all imaginably governments have to be. In a complex society with industries and military someone needs to be the boss.
GottfriedFeder 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo In order to have some kind of structure in society, don't we need to have people put in charge of certain things? Like police for instance. Isn't that a good thing; or do you think we should just fight it out amungst? I wonder if you ever thought about what society would look like if there was no government and no rules. Wouldn't it be the law of the jungle? If you think it's bad now; try to imagine survival of the fittest. How do you think you would be treated then?
donstudy 2 months ago in playlist More videos from rockstarofredondo
@donstudy As it stands currently, it's the law of the jungle for a select few. The rest of us live in a police state.
intricatic 2 months ago
@rockstarofredondo Mandie is a fraud. I tried many times to engage her in a serious discussion with no success [she even blocked me for exposing her ignorance]. All I was trying to do was steer her toward a deeper understanding of the issues and the little crybaby blocked me. She doesn’t want to learn or find any real answers. She just wants to vent her “feelings” [which she tries to pass off as serious arguments]. Try to realize that this little show is all she really has in her life.
donstudy 2 months ago
@intricatic That's right. it's the voters, those who agree to be a participant in this system, that are in no position to complain, & who are culpable, if anyone is. & I DO remember that definition of insanity. Let's see if the statists can...
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@123gwf I'm walking away from an abusive, involuntary relationship. I'm sorry that so many don't have the dignity or self-respect to do likewise.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
rockstarofredondo for president
cityguyable 3 months ago
It would be nice if statists could have discussions without using strawman tactics every time. I can't remember a statist commenting on one of my vids, that didn't attempt to attribute arguments to me that I never made.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
Yup, voting is B.S. Its not who votes that count, but who COUNTS the vote! Diebold machines cannot see who voted for whom, trade secret..total corruption!
Steeleydankid 3 months ago
@Veloce3 I don't think you get it. The point is to not vote PERIOD, regardless of who is running. No one can represent "the people." I represent me, you represent you, in the various markets we choose to participate in. NOT direct democracy. I don't want others making decisions for me, anymore than you want me making decisions for you.
DancesWithWindmills 3 months ago
@DancesWithWindmills : Perhaps your perception of what I am saying is limited and so it may be you that does not "get it". That aside, its apparent to me that the current system in its current format is flawed and specifically that flaw is a consequence of CORRUPTION. In order to live your life, you should be free to make decisions that affect YOU. However, government(SMALL) IS required for the management of ancillaries. I'm guessing that YOU aren't going to manage schools and roads for example?
Veloce3 3 months ago
@Veloce3 Violence is not necessary in order to have roads & schools. That is a fallacy.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo I agree, but again I repeat, the process to getting to an ideological scenario can ONLY be achieved via an inclusive evolutionary process. Attempting change using extremes to the current format will NOT work. Do you want change or do you just want to express your ideology without any workable alternative.There needs to be a starting point and its a process that requires your involvement. Government does not have to be about violence. It should be about Justice and Equality.
Veloce3 3 months ago
@Veloce3 I can't control what others do. I can, however control what I do with my own life, & that is how I live liberty. Notice how my vid is called "Why I don't vote" rather than "Why others should not vote". I cannot hand out conclusions or solutions, people need to arrive at them on their own.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo : Just wishing for an anarchical utopia limits the view that you have of the current system. Take the current system and make it better, until you get to the point that would clearly ensure benefits for all. We all make the mistake of getting wrapped up in LABELS. THESE LABELS ARE DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU , US , RESTRICTED. Don't fall into their trap.
Veloce3 3 months ago
@Veloce3 I can't have a meaningful or honest conversation with someone who puts words in my mouth & attributes things to me that I did not ever express, & unfortunately, right now, that is you.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
Is your idea in itself not a form of violence, should you impose it on others. Just because YOU are an anarchist and want that type of society, are you insisting that everyone else should live by the same standard?
Veloce3 3 months ago
@Veloce3 Ideas are not violence. I never insisted anyone do anything. Stop putting words in my mouth. It's dishonest & insane to do so.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo : I think you need to take a good look in the mirror darling!
Veloce3 3 months ago
@Veloce3 I don't plan on managing schools or roads, anymore than I plan on managing grocery stores. So should we socialize food distribution too?
DancesWithWindmills 3 months ago
@DancesWithWindmills : Your delusional disposition should be applauded. It reminds me of how responsibility should only be given to those that are willing to accept it.
Veloce3 3 months ago
@Veloce3 Ah yes. Typical. I point out the flaw in someone's logic, and they get upset and try to insult me. Saying that I am delusional is not an attack on my argument..... The fact that you think *SCHOOLING* of all things, should be left to government, means you still have a long way to go before you're even a political libertarian... so recognizing the anarchist ideal is still a ways away. You'll get there if you continue to ask questions though! Keep reading, and best of luck!
DancesWithWindmills 3 months ago
@DancesWithWindmills ;-) Yeh you see , the small government that I am talking about is likely to be completely different from the perception of Government that you have. I understand your fear of Government but it does not have to make you scared. Real , Authentic representatives of "libertarianism"( I know you like LABELS) can administer processes and systems that would be of benefit to all , unlike the current system. All I am saying is don't get involved in a battle you cannot win.
Veloce3 3 months ago
@Veloce3 I do not doubt that your idea of government is different from most. I was a minarchist at one point too. The "night watchman statist." But I don't accept the legitimacy of their claim to tax. If police are deemed necessary for the social good, why not healthcare? Why not roads? Why not the DEA?....As for it being an unwinnable battle, they said the same thing about institutionalized slavery too. Never say never :) ...Also, claiming impossibility does not refute anarchism's desirability
DancesWithWindmills 3 months ago
Very well put!.............What BAFFLES me is that we the electorate continue to vote even though their is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that what we vote for materialises, yet we still do it. Usually we do it in the desperate attempt for the MESS that was created to dissolve and to get better, yet it NEVER happens, the desired effect NEVER transpires.
DO NOT VOTE, IT IS SIMPLY IDIOTIC. Let me rephrase that, DO NOT VOTE until we get some REAL PEOPLE that actually are REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE.
Veloce3 3 months ago 5
Voting now is useless. Basically what it boils down to do is do you want the idiot of the left or the idiot on the right? When the cameras and teleprompters are off these scumbags go to the same restaurants and talk about their latest insider trades (which apparently their somehow except from).
SailfishSoundSystem 3 months ago
the reason not to vote is ITS A FUCKING RIGGED SYSTEM!!" wall street picks candidates who please them bush, obama , no difference,
sirpico123 3 months ago
No sentient being would ever vote to give authority over itself to someone else.
This is what you do when you vote.
Never voted, never will.
Congratulations on being one of the sentient ones. There are few.
eddivision15 3 months ago
@eddivision15 Best comment ever. Thank you for the highest of compliments! :)
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
In cali your vote dose not matter anymore!!
krl8814 3 months ago
Great video, I stopped voting too, for the same reasons.
webozzy21 3 months ago
When was the last you voted? Who did you vote for and why?
lcpdesign 3 months ago
I have voted in every election since 92. I woke up in 08 when Obama was elected. I couldn't stand McCain but voted for him anyway (where is the logic in that). I really want to vote for Ron Paul this time around but I'm debating. I used to be republican all the way because I was pretty much brainwashed. I'm starting to think like you and George Carlin. I like what Carlin has to say about it.. "If you vote, you have no right to complain! Because its your fault, I had nothing to do with it!".
TonyTTTank 3 months ago
I vote...locally....state.....national............ Now is this your view Redondo or is it an anarchist attitude not to vote? : ) As for you living in Cali, Gov. Brown is running people out of there deliberately
Travelswithdan 3 months ago
@Travelswithdan No it's not an "anarchist attitude", however, some people who consider themselves anarchists vote, while others do not. I'm going to make an estimate that most do not.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
Yup, I never voted and never will....
charlesfuchs 3 months ago
If I am losing "money", then I am losing nothing, as the "dollar" was declared worthless in 1968. Voting for the "lessor of two evils" propagates evil.
Coffeeandasmoke 3 months ago
How ironic that the ad on my vid is about telling Barack & Michelle Obama that you're voting for them again. lol. Blah.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
Your vote doesn't matter unless it's a tie. If it's a tie then you can pick the winner, but it's never a tie.
Read this. It's only about one page long. It's sums up voting and the state.
"The Tale of the Slave"
from Robert Nozick, Anarchy, State, and Utopia, pp. 290-292
MrGreeneggsnham 3 months ago
I normally don't bother... but this time I think I'll vote for Ron Paul just to show all the other moron candidates that some of us think outside the box. And since all the main street media, and both parties hate him... I'll do it just to spite them.
olecodjur 3 months ago
@olecodjur If you're still voting, you're not thinking outside the box, even though Ron Paul is a great economist & possibly a closet anarchist.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
you should make more vids about this and anarchy.
djgrooveline 3 months ago
I think the so called vote is just an illusory ploy to make the people thing they got a democracy. That they have a choice when the PTB has already picked the winner and let you think the people voted so in so in. Personaly I don't believe Politicians actualy do anything postive. Mostly it is all Wizard of Oz with behind the curtains Oliogharcy who actually controll everything.
The only thing you control is makeing videos, what you gonna have to dinner and who you sleep with.
valhala56 3 months ago
I don't either. None of the owned tools & corporatist puppets are worth leaving the house to wait in line @ the polls for. Remember we wouldn't have elections or be allowed to "vote" if it wasn't rigged in their favor. When you vote, you are saying that you consider this rigged system to be legitimate. If voting actually changed things for better for us (the people), it would be illegal. This country was bought, sold & paid-for decades ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years? MEANINGLESS!
rg2027x 3 months ago
@rg2027x "When you vote, you are saying that you consider this rigged system to be legitimate." Absolutely!
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo :D
rg2027x 3 months ago
@rg2027x So true. It is the illusion of power. If Voting actually worked, then why after generations of it do we still have a corporate owned government system that enslaves the people and takes everything from us without so much as a second thought to the damage it does?
Voting is just a show, to let the uneducated think they are actually doing something to change the world, then let them get back to their couch and complain for 4 years and blame the person they didn't actually vote for.
Snowblindinfinity 3 months ago
@Snowblindinfinity It's absolutely a show...unfortunately. The concept of voting is great! But the system has become so ultimately corrupt$ it's a joke.
All this back & forth debate, "left vs right" garbage propagated by govcorp TV "news" media, implies that there are really choices in this country - that we truly have choices.
It's an illusion.
Americans are meant to feel 'free" by the exercise of meaningless choice..
Voting exists so we believe we have 'influence", a "seat at the table'..
rg2027x 3 months ago
I VOTED thumbs up for this vid.
valhala56 3 months ago 2
@valhala56 Baaaahahahahahahahaaha! Good one. :)
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago