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  • i thought you were going swimming! hmph! dissapointment. =(

  • I have noticed with your videos that these attitudes are also common among traditional Chinese and Korean people. It seems to be a Confucian phenomena.

  • Interesting to hear this, I've almost always taken other (older) people's advice and experiences into consideration!

  • So what you're saying is...the phrase "my way or the highway" didn't originate in Japan.

  • Well, I think sometimes sacrificing free thinking can lead to good things.

  • burger king must have not fare well here xD

  • +1 for Japan, acting logical is not that much common when looked at human beings

  • I totally thought this video was going to be about pools in Japan. I feel stupid now :(

  • my history teacher always said that Japanese people always succeed when in groups 

  • Interesting but I would have liked to hear some concrete examples of when you have run up against this "groupthink."

  • Great video. I think, Japan doesn't allow much room for individuality and free thinking because their society is community-oriented, so when someone stands out, it surely poses a threat to the whole system. They need everyone to share the same thoughts and values, believing in the concepts of respect, dignity and honesty, etc so that they know they can trust one another to behave the way that they are supposed to. It might not suit someone like me, but I find this very intriguing.

  • your whole life is like Avatar

  • this video and the disabled one are both labeled as #55. lol XD you might have done that for a reason, but i don't know, so i just thought I'd through that out there =)

  • Mmm.... it sounds like a nice way to think. True, when you listen to different, wiser, more experienced people, you gain wisdom from it. But when it has to do about having to conform to way a group wants to do something, I don't know if I'd be able to truly give in. I mean, I guess if I was somehow FORCED to live there, then yeah, I'd just bite the bullet and conform. But that's the only way I'd ever do that. I cherish individuality too much. It would drive me NUTS to live that way.

  • it all comes down to the notion of free will which stems out choice, freedom and power.

  • @zZhOrNyZmOnSTeRZz if "teamwork" is a case, then the Japanese should have a at least a share in helping foreigners adjust in a Japanese way of life, as a matter of solidarity and friendship and as a goodwill notion towards a human being or as a good citizen of the world. i heard that there are foreigners who really deviate much from the rules of Japanese society but it doesn't dictate that other future foreign visitors would be doing the same thing. the generalization of foreigners is utter bs.

  • I hate the notion that when you just do something that is nail-size, then you'll be greatly punished or penalized. What is demanded of you is totally absoluteness or else...

  • how about a pool of knowledge that is based in philosophy? seems like free will is greatly challenge as well as change and innovation.

  • love this video so so so much!thanks for sharing

  • There's a catch to it, I think. When Japanese university students or even graduates come to our school and move from the position of those who have to obey to one which gives them the reins, they display nothing like an exceptional ability to lead others. Exactly because they have never been thinking about why they're doing what they've been ordered to. What's so good/bad about it. They do not posses a "pool of knowledge", but rather a "pool of stereotypes" IMHO that might just as well be silly.

  • "Pooling of knowledge" - sounds a bit like the Borg Collective.

    Back in the eighties, my brother toured South East Asia, where he noticed the Japanese tour groups. If one person from the group bought a souvenir cap and showed it to the group, the whole group would run over and buy the same cap.

  • I guess that is why feudal japanese looked down on ronin. Also as a side note i picked up my japanese coach for the DS recently:)

  • I'm inclined to agree. It's not a perfect system, but overall it works. Same with any culture, in that respect.

  • @iienglish no, it doesn't apply to other cultures.

  • @windiesman Indeed. It may work for the Japanese, and we may admire them for their results. but it is simply impossible to imagine ourselves sacrificing our individuality in order to become "part of the system": I am Jack Smith, the son of..., who studied in..., and now works for... . I may have all those identities, and more, but none will be above my own. It is plain silly and impractical.

  • Need I say it? ... I guess I will... "IN THE MULTITUDE OF COUNSELORS THERE IS WISDOM"

  • @NodnarbRS

    Good you said it - it is a relevant quote!

  • @NodnarbRS

    or a quarrel :D

  • Free thinking and progressive liberalism is the demise of Western countries. The reason countries like Japan and S Korea are successful is because they are conformative and old-fashioned as well as homogeneous.

  • @DariusDaGreat86 in a way yes that Japan and SK in that way is prosperous but at the expense of making people not having the opportunity or choice or experience of free will which generally comes with democracy. liberalism and free thinking are generally products of democracy and so, conformism is opposite to that of democracy. i guess that notion of conformism lies with authoritarianism or dictatorship. yes conforming to something is good, but what is implied is its radical notion which is bad.

  • So if the group-decision is always so superior to the individual's choice: What about mobbing? Mobbing is one of the most inhumane outcomes of group dynamics and still very common in Japan - don't you think that this is an intolerable drawback to japanese conformist society, which LUCKILY can be despised from a western point of view?

  • Living within this wonderful, unique culture, we must not forget that we are different and that there is, in most cases, leeway or understanding that we ARE foreign and it is taken into account. Respecting and conforming are different from another and I find it best to weigh up decisions based on conformity using a scale of importance. The golden rule is always being polite and respectful when turning down someone and always keeping an ace up your sleeve otherwise you will implode from stress.

  • @KatanaKenn Although I most certainly understand every action has some form of repercussion or consequence, there are times when we must protect our own necks from the stress of assisting others all the time, as well as every time your attendance is required. As I stated using a scale of importance is essential, as is a diary of commitments you have coming up in Japan because of that strong team mentality that is in place within the society. We should assimilate into society but never overdo it

  • Question!

    I had experience with this when choosing something. But here's what happened.

    I had 3 professors and several friends give me advice. I trusted each one individually. They had very different advice from each of them. So when I made my decision, I technically did not follow the advice of 2 professors and some friends. Can my "pool of knowledge" with some people become disappointed in me if I follow someone else's advice?

    Should I hide my decision from them?

  • I wouldnt call japanese comminust, but conforming is better that pissing off the whole group, even if you dont feel like it, i always conform to my friend..... i try and not to be slack,

    Even if i slack off, i feel bad for them

  • My friend always doesnt conform when i try and invite him somewhere

  • Well I kinda have mixed feelings on this. In most cases this likely is harmless other then being a bit annoying at times. Although in other cases it could be very detrimental to the individual or even the group. The other being in regards to public or foreign relations. This likely has been one of the major obstacles other countries have had when dealing with Japan. While consensus is certainly encouraged so should debate. That's a part of learning as how else does one learn from their mistakes.

  • My way is highway  xD

  • It's all about that In group/Out group mentality. If it wasn't such a powerful thing across so many cultures, Facebook would've flopped hard a long time ago. It's simple behavior mechanics: if you want to make your chums happy, you'll take their recomendations above others; to do otherwise is to devalue it, and inplicitly them

  • @Koiyuki yes make them happy, but not in an expense that would put yourself in demise or a slave or leaving you with no share of the win or with no share of the advantage - like it's always them and not leaving something, at least something as small as 1% of doing it your way.

  • I'm glad you take the time to analyze and explain this. There is no doubt in my mind that this would be the number one reason why I would not like to live in Japan. To me, if you don't do things your way, why do it at all ? It is the only worthwhile reason to live.

  • Like Frank Sinatra, I do it my way. XD

  • There is a huge culture of modifying cars in Japan so do people drive fast in Japan?

  • It's the precursor to the Borg run or you'll be assimilated :P, lol.

  • if they do lodes of stuff in groups... how do they decide what to do if theres two people who want to do diffrent things.?

  • I listen to all advice and information from everyone I see and to the best of my ability without predjudice and make my own decisions based on that, mainly because I notice doing what most other people do all the time is less productive. I still respect the other people who do not make their own decisions and just follow others though.

  • Seems like Japan is a capitalist economy, based on a self-structured particularistic but communist society ! (And I don´t mean it in a bad way, so don´t even try get get me wrong on that!!) 

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  • Thumbs up if u were expecting to see japanese girls in bikinis in the pool. Still good vid though lol

  • oooo thanks for the futon heads up :)

  • how cool u are talking, driving manual car and filming yourself in the video, thumb up

  • but my gf said its very cold these days in japan?

  • Doing this caused a fight between me and my boyfriend. We have been talking about getting married and having kids. All of my friends and family said we should wait. We should move in together to make sure we can get along. I told him I wanted to live with him for while then get married, that caused a huge fight. Where he comes from telling him that was like telling him I don't think I want to marry him. When pooling for ideas make sure everyone understands the caulteral issues involved.

  • !heomak they have swimming lessons during summer..it starts with the first grade up to their high school life.I think its a must learn ,like reading and writting..cuz i haven't met a japanese person who doesn't know how to swim.my personal opinion..pardon me if i'm wrong.

  • ive just had lost of trouble with a japanese person...she is about 10 years older but she has looked up to me...she came to me for advice about her relationship with a gaijin friend of mine...i gave her advice after talking to mine and her other friends but she didnt understand some of it and decided to break up with her boyfriend - even though my adice was to talk to each other...her boyfriend found out i gave the advice and now the blame has been passed on to me - its not her fault apprently

  • what about a video re these futons hanging out...

  • Very interesting way of thinking. I think that many Americans (westerners) do this this too, but unconciously. People tend to make decisions based on the input of the closest people to them. I think that we are less overt and likely to care less about being rebelious by doing something completely different.

    If you choose your friends wisely though, pooling knowledge can be a great benefit. There they go again, the Japanese keep doing smart things. ;p

  • @junkyardmonkie

    Very interesting comment, I agree.

    I think smart people absorb the information available to them.

    I often draw info from my small circle of closest friends (and others!).

    Even in the responses to this video you can see people like yourself who absorb and consider.. which is adding a little more knowledge to your own data base.

    But others.. already know all they wish to know....

  • @TheJapanChannelDcom Agreed... But perhaps one thing to consider is that in certain pools there could be one or two chaps that might try and steer you the wrong way with false or tainted advice for their own benefit. Im sure thats almost exclusively a western thing but still. I think its wise to take in as much of that information as posable but yet reserve the right to still do what you THINK is best for your personal situation. You cant be a total knob.

  • @junkyardmonkie Yea and this is also why our youth gets involved in drugs, premature sex, violence, and god knows what. They look at older classmates and in an effort to fit-in, they imitate behaviors and attempt to become friends with them. It's great Japanese embrace older responsible people as role-models, but in America, sometimes older role-models are not the best people to consult. Problem is, to our youth, sometimes distinguishing who is responsible from who isn't can be challenging.

  • @junkyardmonkie be careful where you pool your knowledge from because there would be times when your so called friends will or have a tendency to betray you in some things.

  • why is it always sunny in your driving videos : <

  • I know this isn't related to this video but anyway, my question is does japan(being an island and all) have a strong swimming culture? I ask that because i remember watching a new report on some island in the Caribbean where a huge percent of the local population couldn't swim. it had to do with hair issues and there was another explanation too but i don't remember it. so do the Japanese(in general) grow up learning to swim and whether they incorporate swimming as part of their leisure activity

  • thx for the info..

  • The thumbnail is a bit misleading but this was definitely an interesting video:)

  • Sounds like my time in the military where they stress, go with the flow and follow the crowd and it does work well for the benifit of all.

  • I guess that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you look at it. I have always been raised to be independent and to do my own thing regardless of what everyone else is doing. If I was in a room full of smoking people, I would be very uncomfortable having to smoke, since I have been a lifetime nonsmoker and also having allergies too. I don't think I could handle that since I am also very stubborn.

  • USA

  • @captize YES

  • Japan (and most of East Asia) = collectivism; much of the West = individualism. That sums it up pretty nicely, That's why my wife likes living in America ... people are more free to do their own thing ... but she also laments that it seems to be biased a bit too much towards individualism.

  • @eskercurve what if there would be cases where the collective your in to will not be able to support you in some things or that they would betray you in some things, and all you have for support is yourself. just think about it. there's a saying that "the most trusted friend you can only have is yourself." yes, having connections and relationships with other people and groups are important but there would be times where you have only yourself to depend on.

  • @echomiketwo: I'm blushing... - thanks for the compliment! ^_^

    But I can only return it to you! I'm glad to see, that it is possible to have a normal and friendly conversation with someone else on the internet and that there are still people like you out there, who can correct something without getting agressive!

    It's really great! =)

    And you're right again: that's a bonus of the Japan channel! ;-)

    Greetings! ^_^

  • i can imagine it can get very frustrating having to do what you don't wanna or silencing your opinion when you don't wanna, i also imagine that this must be harder for you as a, well, foreigner and having to, well, acclimitize yourself to this mode of thought and being. do you ever just wanna scream and run and jump in the streets like a deranged carackhead?

  • I guess if it was something to do with going to a restaurant for example if you chose not to go they wouldn't want you to feel left out and you wouldn't want to make them feel like you didn't want to be around them or offend them in any way, I don't know if thats true it's just the way I see it I guess (correct me if I'm wrong lol) I love the japan channel.. I Love Japan!!!

  • I think that lifestyle is sort of smart. Sometimes things DO seem silly, but they might have a purpose even if they aren't clear at first. Also if somebody is older than you, like say your parents, well ofcourse you should listen to them! They are wiser they have lived longer than you. Americans can't just expect for everything in a different country to be the same. Anyways.. is there any individualism though? Cause sometimes its good to make your own decisions and learn from your mistakes.

  • @pokemongurl93 the last statement is what i want to know. does learning from mistakes taught and experienced in japan? in a way where a foreigner is rather helped from getting tripped instead of leaving that foreigner flat out on the pavement whilst having him experiencing "silent-bad stare" treatment or "not-helping-this-gaijin" treatment...

  • @windiesman thats not what i ment. i can't even remember my comment. people learn from their mistakes. i didn't say treat people bad and not help them out.

  • Hmm. Will they atleast look at the input you have and concider it?

    Like, if you find a better way to do something will they just ignore it or, will they take a serious look at it?

  • "Free thinking and free choosing isn't usually part of Japanese life. There's a way have to be done [...]". Now, as a German, I DO very well understand the secret of why Japanese tourists tend(ed) to admire Germany for so long; because we here have a culture of blind obedience and actually quite a hard suppression of "free thinking" and enactment of personal freedoms, even though we call this a democracy, which of course, is a huge illusion. Are Japanese able to reflect in similar ways on this?

  • @87solarsky it's not complete democracy, it seems that both countries are under authoritarianism or semi-democracy, which in my opinion has their own flaws... and as of now the kind of social system i don't admire and like

  • can u explain the whole sempi chan kun stuff like that

  • @itachikiller107 Pretty sure he already did that. Check out the "How to" playlist. Should be in there.

  • @Enigura which video?

  • @itachikiller107 If you want to know. Go find it in the "How to" playlist.

  • Moldy futon. ewwwy. dx

  • So individualism is big in Japan ey?

  • I think about Senority when it comes to advice in my life and often ask my parents. Even with age, there are still fools older than me. I wouldn't mind asking my long term freinds whom are younger than me. It really comes down to people I trust or believe in, not just people above me in position and/or age.

  • This makes me want to go hang up my futon.

  • I think its called tradition, family history, and in all this Routine they find safeness and security.

    I think that is ok and positive thing to have in life not like America where all people are land for them self.

    So mine vote go to

    YES

    Nikola

    from

    Serbia

  • @akanor154 but think about how monarchism in France was terminated {French Revolution} since that the French monarchy is tyrannical, thus many of France's citizens were fed up of the abuses, disadvantages placed onto them, misopportunities, lack of democracy, etc. and the problem of conformism...

  • The way hes putting it just makes me think it's a nation for commen sence. Very commen it seems. A little part of me wishes scotland had more of a "pool of knowlege" sceme going on. It could benift those who are looking for awnsers but don't even know where to start.

  • @LoliSourGrapes scotland has a bottle of knowledge its called irnbru! drink it you will learn everything.

  • he posted this video 2:00 AM. xD

  • you always try to defend some of their oppinions by saying that its the "japanese way of thinking" even when that way of thinking is clearly wrong

  • @Kooletz71 i don't think that there is a "good " way of thinking. If some ppl think differently from you that doesn't mean that theirs way of thinking is wrong. They are just diffrent

  • @alkadeass thats true in many cases but as far as individuality goes I think its pretty evident that it should be important, would you agreeÉ Do you feel that it is necisary to conform to everyone elses standards just to be acceptedÉ I mean I generally am pretty normal but I am glad that I dont have to be to do anything with my life

  • @Kooletz71 yes i agree... I myself don't like to do what everyone does just because that's 'the right way'. But even so i and everyone is required to follow some rules(e.g You don't talk when you're eating because it is said that is impolite but that doesn't mean that talking while eating is the "wrong way" . In some countries it's normal to talk while eating.) Sorry for my bad english and for this late reply. I was busy. Sorry^_^

  • @Kooletz71 You can't really argue that any given viewpoint is "wrong" - one always considers one's own way of thinking the "right" way.

    That's a pretty deep philosophical conundrum you've stumbled into there, actually!

  • @MrPointless And I'm not sure whether or not that Japan do value any philosophy that deals with free will, since they would be only aware of their Bushido code, etc.

  • @windiesman In what way was that relevant to what I said three weeks ago? I merely described something about the illusion that there is such a thing as a "right" or a "rong viewpoint. "One's way of thinking" did (and still does) not imply or discuss free will.

  • Ill fit right in then. Cause i rarely boast my own desire in groups. This is not the only time I've felt this about Japan.

  • Futons get all moldy and disgusting if you don't lay them out in the sun regularly? Huh! Interesting... Good advice for the future

  • i personally think you stress too much about conforming. I could see for making big decissions like what career path to take why disgusing with your senpai or elders would be very smart. but little decission like if your having lunch with friends. then they're not going to look down apon you if you want chicken and everyone alse wants shrimp. I talked to my Japanese friend in Japan about stuff like this. he basicly said your a douchebag (his words not mine)!

  • my god, every time I watch a video when it's put up im always the 300 to 310th viewer...weird....

  • @SkeenBot5000 Me too. o_o Always.

  • you re legendary buddy. your vids are a great source of knowledge. cheers from Cyprus

  • I've watched all the How to videos. Thanks, it's really interesting and useful. Still, I have a question. How is it to be a foreigh student in Japan? Is it possible to stay in Japan after graduating, find a work? What are chances to find a good work with diplom of japanese university? Which professions are the best for foreigners? What kinds of work are the most payed for? Which professions are the most respected in Japan? And so on... Please tell what do you know...

  • that's why I think it's kind of sad that older people have troubles finding a job here in germany... when you are 50 you almost don't have a chance to find a job because you're considered being too old.

    In fact I think the older you are the more experienced you are. I really would like to have some older coworkers to learn from them. I really think older people are a wonderful substitute for a healthy comany.

  • Finally a new how to video :D

    *happy*

  • Do you know Ken Tanaka? He is very cool, and his GF is Rumi.

  • @mrbeanbag you think because he lives in japan he knows some random japanese people who live there too? -.- are you honestly retarded? japan has a population of millions

  • @Fummy007 Usually you would be correct in this response, but there is a good chance he will know of them as Ken Tanaka is a fairly famous J-vlogger : )

    Can't say for sure but just sayain.

  • @DaleCampbellAcoustic Ken Tanaka is the footbal coach on the show Glee...lol funny coicidence?

  • I can see that. Sometimes people where I live (U.S.) tend to make decisions just because they don't want some one to take their "Freedom" away. Often it's not a good decision, they're just making it out of spite. Making a rash decision just because you'll be damned if someone else would try to make it for you is dumb.

  • Communist thinking! For the greater good! jk haha

  • yeah for teamwork! :)

  • Aww I thought this was a video about pools :(

  • @Degenskonto so did i... :(

  • A very nice description, as always. I'd like to think that in America, some of that may hold true, depending on the situation or person, however, it is more likely that we would ask people close to us or family for advice rather than just anybody who is older than ourselves.

  • 1:26

    a flying car !

    thats japan for you xD

  • Makes sense to me. The main reason it doesn't work for us is because no one else thinks in that way. We all want to make our own decisions which means when someone does ask for advice or gives advice, it probably has a different impact than in Japan. In Japan it is normal, everyone is used to doing it that way. In the UK not so many people are used to giving/receiving advice therefore wouldn't be as good at giving advice so others are less likely to accept it as being worth while.

  • @echomiketwo:You're right, of course. Reading while driving would make for a leathal combination. My bad. ^_^

    It just popped into my mind first,because I'd probably handle it this way. I didn't simply want to critisize without offering at least a suggestion of a possible solution.

    I mean, one could always edit out repeated thoughts, but that would simply shred the explanation to pieces (and be a lot of work).

    Maybe just thinking of it is enough?! If you know the problem, it's almost solved...

  • on the other hand, There are obviously times when you need to stand your ground and not give in to peer pressure. I think each person needs to evaluate the situations they have been in and realize for what circumstances they are better off following the advice of others, or doing it their own way.

  • @Clearie552 as in allways keep a balance,right?

  • @Clearie552

    "In the beginning of change the patriot is brave and feared and hated and scorned, but in the end when his cause succeeds the timid will join him, for then it costs nothing to become a patriot." -- Mark Twain

    Of course you have to understand that this is their culture and their way of doing things, it is not up to foreigners to change their way of life which they are used to.

    It is basically their result of over-politeness.

  • sometimes it's a really good idea to get external input for a decision, especially if its something that you are very emotional about, like a relationship. They could be wrong, but you might want to take a very honest look at it. Same with school and work problems. It's not that you are incapable or stupid. Sometimes there are things that are obvious to others that you aren't immediately capable of seeing just because of the way you're thinking about it. it's good to rely on friends sometimes.

  • i dont understand why people criticize the  way Japanese do thing because of that they dont want gaijin in Japan

  • Being one with all! It's beautiful, It creates harmony. The rest of the planet needs to catch up. 

  • You lost weight :o

  • but how can you enlarge this pool ok knowledge if no-one gives new ways of doing things? Or new ideas? Only the ones at the very top of the "social-scale" can do that? That is the missing point.

    If "society" does a thing this way is beacuase someone have tried the other way and failed? Or not? That is the question! :-D

  • I can't tell you how many times I've been corrected on something extremely minute and possibly irrelevant... Once was corrected on how to hold my pencil, when I asked "Why does it matter?" the teacher said "You'll write neater" and when he was helping someone else, I wrote the same kanji once my way and once his way and asked which was neater... he said mine was and when I explained I used mine he just kinda walked away ticked off and a couple of students glared at me in shock...

  • very interesting! look forward to all of your posts.

  • Another great video keep it up!

  • I really like what you're saying. It is very interesting to hear about other views of the world. Although I might not always agree with everything, I still enjoy getting to listen to new ideas.

    I just wish you wouldn't repeat yourself so much during one and the same video. (Hope you don't take it the wrong way, but the way it is meant: as constructive critisism.)

    Maybe it would held to note the main ideas down first in a few words?! Or to set yourself a time limit?!

    Thanks for making videos!

  • Interesting one! You make some good points here.

  • Group thinking can be very good! I wish in my country there was more group thinking, and group work. It would be better I think.

  • Sounds like the Hagakure is still prominent...

  • I understand your argument that social conformity is for the best. Teenagers in particular, in western society are too liberal and get themselves into much trouble.

    My japanese teacher always tells me that people can't understand the social hierarchy in Japan. But I respect such a system, it constantly adds information to a sort of 'public sphere' or 'pool'. From this you can make the right decision and get useful information~~ Listen to your elders! They have been alive much longer than you!

  • Very interesting

  • 4th! lol

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  • Ok, the trees are still green! Is it not cold over there? It's like in the 50's where im at, and all of out trees are orange!

  • @Asabasgurl 50 degrees!!!! do u fucking live in the Sahara desert or something!

  • @lordtufty LOL Whaa? I meant 50F. not C. :p

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