@willabeesgotapollo13 i did in North Hollywood.... the cop was like, ummm you know this guy is going through your garbage can over here? Im from Iowa so i was like, shit son! its all gravy! im fried!
The only thing is, what kind of jobs can you get after graduating from here? Like good paying jobs, not just budtenders cause i dont even think they get paid that good.
yes to weed im beatin my probation then burnin 1 and goin straight to oaksterdam university ohh btw 9 ppl were soo blitzed they missed the like button
@madzane94 The use is people use meth and such will do it anyways. Do you really think those people care if the drug is legal or not? Nope they dont, So instead of the money coming to gang and other criminal organizations that murder,rob,rape and assault, the money goes to the goverment that rehabilitating those who are addicted to these drugs.
Richard Lee is the ONLY legal person to grew cannabis legally in Oakland. No other dispensary or grower with prop 215 card can grow without DEA busting them except Richard holding a monopoly on cannabis. I think he might be working with the government all for corporation profits! BiG PHARMA companies are coming to take over cannabis and have developed a knock out gene to take THC out of cannabis!
Im coming, Im coming, im coming! As soon as i graduate from high school Im ready to get out of kentucky, and hopefully help my state/country in this time of crisis in the future
@JakeMWoods Try that with alcohol first amigo ;-D, is the same age, I do agree with you: both should be 18, if you are old to vote and to join the army, you should be consider an adult for all of the rest.
@djko17 I'm Spanish... same rules, only we are pretty much drug frendly, the laws have never been reinforced on normal citizens.
The issue hear is that we have much narco mafias, since it's the entrance for Europe, they capture cocaine by thousends of kilograms, last was 5.000 kg of cristal pure colombian coke in my city.
Weed and hash are like part of our culture, cops wont do anything to you other than taking it away from you...probably to smoke it themselves ;-D
My question is why does the city blatanatly discriminate and only let these Cannabis Club owners set up shop. There are thousands of aspiring entrepreneurs in Oakland who arent given this luxury even when they apply for a permit. That's my only beef. The people who work in these Cannabis Clubs have this arrogance about them like they really arent drug dealers.
"if americans have the right to drink alcohol, smoke ciggarettes and own a gun, they can easily smoke a joint..it's as simple as that".... You couldnt have said that any better.... I wish i lived in Cali..i would be more than happy to attend that university no questions asked..but unfortuantely for me... I'm in New York City... Hidden growers, Unite
@stefminus Did you fail to pay attention? The only part that would be taxed is commercial sales and commercial cultivation. That means it would basically the same as beer. You are allowed to brew your own beer at home tax free if you know how. The legislation presented in Cali would allow for individuals to grow their own plants tax free as well. How would this be bad?
And another thing, Legalizing weed will not stop drug violence. The violence in Mexico is not over weed, it is over meth, cocaine and heroin. Those drugs are the ones that make the huge money and create users that usually become hopeless addicts, who, in turn, keep the drug cartels in business. Weed is cheap and non addictive and while it is a black market cash crop, its value is no where near the more dangerous drugs. Legalizing weed only will not solve the drug crime problem.
@Spectreman LOL.... thanx for that.... Do u work for the Mexican drug line??? or do u just like to say the first thing that comes to your mind.... its medicinal qualities are not fully known.... its not always the value of the item but how much it is consumed case in point.... How many so called dangerous drug user do u know..... its people like u that give cannabis its bad name... only sit at the table if u know what the fuck your talking about
@incredibleduck Um, do you ever make sense or is it the side effect of your off to bed bong? Considering Mexico is the major supplier of cocaine and meth, bringing in 10s of billions of $ every year, legalization of weed will not stop drug violence. So why don't you either make a real coherent argument or go back to the kiddie table and smoke another bowl. You are proving that for all its great qualities, marijuana cannot cure stupid.
@Spectreman Ok...... Again I would love to know where you are getting your facts.... please leave a source..... cause most black market jobs don't get out sourced...More than 60 percent of the cartels' revenue -- $8.6 billion out of $13.8 billion in 2006 -- came from U.S. marijuana sales, according to the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy..... Hows that for coherent and again its ok to have an opinion just dont state it as fact....
@Spectreman Most Cocaine comes from Colombia, not Mexico. But that is beside the point. The drug markets are the size that they are, if Marijuana was legalized the drug violence related to it would cease. It is not as though there will be more, say, cocaine related murders to fill the void of murders formerly committed in relation to marijuana. Of course all drugs ought to be legalized, which would not end crime of course, but severely reduce it and and increase personal freedom and commerce.
I love weed, right? But this whole calling it "medicine" is just pompous bs. Yes, weed has many many medicinal benefits and can truly help people who are very sick. But constantly referring to it as "medicine" while at the same time trying to make it legal for everyone for purely recreational purposes its disingenuous. Its like saying red wine is medicine because a glass a day helps your heart. And screw the taxation and regulation - I have enough government intrusion in my life.
@saxmanmax an epicenter spreads outward. a center is just a point in which marks halfway between one point and another. i thought i learned that in third grade or so.
@hackskillz1 no need for the condescension. "epicenter" does not necessarily imply outward spreading. It's simply the focal point of some activity, often an earthquake, in which case there is spreading. Your definition of "center" is actually the definition of "midpoint". A center can be the center of any number of things, not just two points. : )
Very interesting. It's a shame though that you guys named your first coffeeshop after a tourist coffeeshop chain here in Holland. It's not a respected establishment by the locals here.
Any step toward more liberty is positive, still libertarians should be cautious about reading to much into this one. It's very common for marijuana users to be concerned only for that one liberty, use of marijuana, and to attempt to gain it by attacking and demonizing all other liberties they view as dangerous, all of which others value, such as other drugs, and even non-drug items like firearms. Hardly libertarian attitudes in any real sense, closer to the opposite.
Ha ha ha, Medicine. Yeah, thats what you are teaching people to make, medicine. What a joke, you are doing this to get high and alter your mind. If you want to get the larger populous to be on your side, be honest.
Yeah, makes sense to legalize weed. Certainly need to do something about those crime syndicates. If the gangs get to big, the middle class will give up on the current form of government and "go vigilante".
Freakin' hippies. I'll vote yes on this issue, but mostly because I'm sick of wasting tax dollars on the War On Drugs. I'm worried about how this will effect the Mexican drug-based economy, but we need to get their Cartel's crops and boobie traps off our public lands. The War On Drugs was just Republican bullshit. . . .and now we seem primed for a War On Climate Change, which is Democrat bullshit.
They always talk about taxing and regulating when they talk about legalizing. But why don't we push for total legalization. No taxes, no regulation, just freedom!
Mega- I don't even think hard drugs should be illegal. As Penn Jilette would say: Unless you are free to put whatever substance you want IN YOUR OWN BODY, you are not free
Looking at the comments it is a shame that people are still want to tell us how to live our lives as if they own us. Hopefully someone doesn't ban something you enjoy participating in and if they do you better not fucking complain.
@chopsky it is 4/20 today. So makes sense to me they push their pieces on pot right now. Duh. Last week was 4/15 and they pushed their tax pieces. I see they have 16 pieces on Healthcare (a lost battle -- but worthy of the coverage) and an hour long series dedicated to Cleveland. CLEVELAND! Yep. All Reason talks about is pot. Nailed it.
I really don't like my friends behavior who smoke, BUT when you look at how much revenue and jobs alcohol and tobacco contribute to the economy, then maybe there is something to this.
There is a price that society will pay, and we don't know if it will be overall negative or positive.
California makes it illegal to smoke a cigarette? (in private property, bars),bans gay marriage, taxes its population into oblivion, banned firearms, (more or less), IS going to make the US taxpayer bail them out (my prediction)
Not trying to be a buzz kill, but it seems to me that California has a lot more to do than just taxing pot. And why tax it anyway? Are we not protesting to goddamn many taxes in the first place?
Reason TV is the perfect title. Most TV has no reasoning behind it. It is usually senseless propaganda and mindless entertainment aimed at adverting your attention and brainwashing you into believing toxic mimics are really medicine and food. If pot were to be legalized, all the tax money being wasted on prosecuting non-violent criminals would be reverted to health care. All the oil companies would suddenly have serious competition also losing their grip on the monopoly they so firmly maintain.
@Surhotchaperchlorome i agree for the most part but what about shit like PCP that makes to litterly want to kill other People my friend right now is in jail for taking klonopin and shooting up a house that the "thought" a petofile lived in
@kainniak1 what does that crap have to do with this issue. If people are stupid enough to do crack and pcp then they could eat draino if they wanted. We are talking about a natural plant.
I despise drugs, but people need to learn to divide their personal opinion with what is right, you can't be for liberty and keep a plant illegal. It is not the governments job to protect you from yourself.
This is all well and good but I couldn't help noticing how pathetic it is how they feel they have to beg the government and try to hold a carrot out to them -- "hey, we'll let you point a gun at us at take some of our money every time we buy it, and we'll still let you throw us in a cage if we grow more than 25 square feet of it, come on, pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase."
Legalized Marijuana is the only way CA will stop losing people and jobs to Texas. It could actually make CA a destination state once again for multitudes of people.
If you don't think that the War on Drugs is an important issue then you haven't been paying attention. The number of people in prison and the lost productivity and ruined lives hurt our economy.
Haha... i'm not against legalization, but let's be real. The people moving to Texas are business owners. The people that would move to California due to legalization will largely be holding jobs as street sweepers and coffee shop owners, etc. The beneficial effects to California in this regard will be negligible. The tax rates and stifling business environment in Cali need to change to regain the productive businesses to allow the state to recover.
@Tidoublemy Medical tourism, industrial hemp production can create more than menial jobs. Or do you think prison guard and mule are much more rewarding careers? Travel has made Holland a destination point. 100s of Hemp products are currently imported legally but illegal to grow. CA can be to MJ what NV is to gambling. You are underestimating the gains this could have for CA. I agree it isn't the only way CA will keep and attract people. Being friendly to business is also important.
@libertyfizz Haha... no - my point is that the potheads are largely going to be performing menial jobs. That's just how they are. Denial of that is denial of reality. The true producers are the business owners and the majority of them aren't the avid pot users that legalization would attract.
@Tidoublemy Even if you don't like pot, just think of what legalizing it will do the interState commernce clause. The Supreme court might have to actually honor original intent because of this.
@Tidoublemy Haha .. You are in denial if you think that producers of hemp products would not want to be close to where the raw material is grown. CA actually has some deals for manufacturing. An entrepreneur doesn't have to be a pothead to want to produce hemp fiberboard to replace drywall. Hemp is a billion dollar crop possibly trillion dollar crop. Stop thinking of just THC variant. google the Popular Mech article prior to prohibition of Hemp called "NEW BILLION-DOLLAR CROP."
Why should libertarians seriously give a flying turd about a tiny issue like pot legalization during a time of war and never ending government power grabs?
@highonhayek The criminalization of marijuana is just as much a power grab as any other. Without the cash crop of hemp many independent farms can't stay competitive. As each small producer is pushed out the farming it becomes concentrated in the hands of a small number of Agri Corporations. Do you really think it will be a good thing for the food supply to become monopolized by Monsanto or Con Agra? Because not just MJ is illegal so is it's non-drug relative Industrial Hemp.
@libertyfizz That's simply not true. There are farmers making a living on plots as small as two acres without resorting to selling weed. Check out tinyfarmblog for a great example.
As a side-note, if pot were to become legal, farms would not be able to make much money on it. It's much to easy to grow anywhere in America.
@blogegog that is why it is illegal actually. Because it would become worth less if made legal. With it illegal it has many values. It can be abused by authority as a leverage and excuse to create more criminals, and therefore creates job security for the police and prisons. It also puts it into the hands of the gun wielding, desperate, money hungry psychopaths. So you see the marijuana itself is only criminal by association with criminality. Prohibition of anti-war drugs. Promotion of war drug.
@fatherprime It would not be worthless. You all are only thinking of drugs. Hemp also illegal and extremely valuable. Fiber from hemp is very durable and can replace 1000s of products such as polyester, nylon, plastic, cloth, and paper products. Ford made car panels out of hemp fiberglass. A potential billion dollar crop. As a food it is high in protein. The big kahuna hemp based natural pesticides instead of petroleum based. But keep on thinking people will grow their own toilet paper.
@blogegog I deal with tobacco farmers here in NC with average 100 acre farms. Growing hemp is what they are pushing for due to water easements. Every acre forced out of production for clean water is lost revenue. Hemp with its root structure and no pesticide needed can keep water clean and land in production. There are many commercial plants people can grown and cultivate in their yards which are weeds. Tobacco is a weed it is very easy to grow and more people are due to taxes.
@libertyfizz hemp grown in fmr tobaco fields would be poison. no one would smoke it because over the years the government has put uranium mining tailings in the fields. not to mention what other crap they have put there and we dont know about.
@solomonkane23 That is a complete and utter lie. I work on tobacco farms all the time and test water as well as soil quality you are so full of crap. Besides I am not talking about the drug variant as being what these farmers are begging to be allowed to grow. Oh and by the way we rotate crops so you had better stop enjoying any soy products you currently eat because tobacco fields are commonly rotated with soy bean production. No tofu for you. We also rotate in winter wheat.
@libertyfizz, that's just magical thinking. There is no real market for hemp. It can't compete with cotton for clothing, and it's woefully weak in comparison to polyesters like Nylon in the thread department.
Don't get me wrong. I'm fine with potheads choosing to smoke weed and for the rest of us to legalize it and tax the crap out of them. It's not the government's job to protect people from their self-destructive ways. I'm just saying that you are overstating the value of hemp - massively.
@blogegog hemp is one of the strongest natural fibers and last longer then cotton... it would stop the destruction of forest due to it replacing paper... not to mention all the prescriptions it would replace.....SELF DESTRUCTION----deaths from cannabis 0..... try to keep up n not just state your opinion....
@incredibleduck Yes, hemp is strong, but so is stainless steel. But both of them are rarely used in clothing. Why? Because it's not comfortable. There are plenty of countries that allow hemp clothing, but very little actual hemp clothing. That should make it clear that it's not a desirable fiber.
And as a tree farmer (well, we grow trees on about 200 acres of land... not sure if that makes me a 'farmer' or not) there is NOTHING unsustainable about it. We chop them down and plant new ones.
@blogegog LOL..... the paper demand is more then your 200 acres can produce.. As a general guide line trees take 10-100 years to reach mature depending on the distance from the equator. Hemp cant even be grown in the US so the availability of hemp clothing is not high but from the sound of it you have a full wardrobe. Not to mention the fact that it is over priced. I have not even touched on it being used as a fuel.... which means it a closed cycle--hows that self-sustaining tree farm now....
@incredibleduck It should be pointed out that harvesting trees is more dangerous. And hemp fields can produce over the same number to years several tons more fiber than trees.
Recently the imported Chinese drywall used to rebuild NO was found out to be mold susceptible. Imagine if hempcrete fiber board a mold resistant product had been used? If not illegal that product could have been grown and manufactured in the USA. Keeping industrial hemp illegal is against our national interest.
@blogegog Are you high? Hemp is a very valuable crop countries that impose the death penalty for growing Marijuana grow Hemp and produce products which they import to the USA legally. You need to deal with the concept of peak oil. Most effective pesticides are made from oil right now. If hemp pesticides aren't developed millions of people could die. You simply do not understand how dependent food production is on oil based pesticides and fertilizer. Hemp needs to be studied not outlawed.
@libertyfizz Hehe, no, I'm not high :). And I'm a chemical engineer AND a bit of a farmer, so trust me, I know about pesticides and the concept of 'peak oil'.
But I'm a little confused by your statement, "f hemp pesticides aren't developed millions of people could die." What do you mean? Current legal pesticides work fine on weed. What bug are you trying to annihilate? Write it here, and I'll tell you how.
@blogegog More accurate. If alternatives to petroleum based pesticides aren't developed millions could die. Hemp is one of many plants which has show promise for developing alternative pest resistant or repellent products. On a small scale lady bugs might work but they are less commercially viable than the potential with Hemp seed oil presents. It is also very promising as a building material Hempcrete is already being used. There are literally thousands of products hemp can produce.
@libertyfizz Look, I support you, in general. I just think you should admit that you just want to smoke the stuff (I'm fine with that, because I want to tax you!), and give up on proclaiming the greatness of hemp fibers. they are no better than any other woody fiber, and stating otherwise weakens your case. Heck, even FLAX is better than hemp. Do you see a big market for flax clothing?
Regardless, I still support your goal of legalizing pot. With a tax :).
@blogegog However, as a food source Hemp leaves flax in the dust. Both are omega 3 power houses but Hemp has the perfect ratio of omegas with the highest protein content. I suppose if someone developed flax crete, or flax fiberglass like material then maybe it would be odd that it hasn't taken off. How easy is flax to grow and thrash to separate out the fibers? How well does flax act as a barrier crop for more pesticide intensive crops? How much pesticide needed grow season etc. .
@libertyfizz I don't want to bad-mouth you. As I said, I'm supporting your idea to legalize weed to placate the people of lesser intelligence who might smoke it 100%! And to tax the crap out of them, but nothing like the fake tax that the crime-lords impose on it to support their nefarious doings.
But your pro-flax comments continue to leave me confused. Are you expecting people to gnaw on woody stems to get omega threes? It's not going to happen.
@blogegog Go to a Whole Foods. They sell hemp products like milk, butter, flour, breads, chips, oils, soaps, and twine all of it from imported hemp. I was not making pro or anti flax comments. Flax not a hemp equivalent an argument you floated. Flax needs pesticides with no herbicide benefit like hemp.
NC pot not likely, industrial hemp maybe, making your I want to get high a straw-man. ND passed hemp but FED still bans. CA would just add to the push for USA industrial hemp farming.
@blogegog CA is 3000 away if I wanted to smokeup Montreal is closer. Decriminalization of hemp will be more influential nationally. When ND took up hemp NC took notice. NC has rivers with water quality issues and having a crop is better than losing acreage to increased water easements. NC is also looking to replace tobacco and manufacturing jobs. In NC legal THC in CA won't have as much influence. We have social conservative law makers and the people don't have referendum power here.
@libertyfizz I'm having trouble understanding you (it's no doubt my own fault. I may be slightly retarded depending upon who you believe.) So I have to re-ask this question. Are you suggesting that the leaves and flowering sections (you might call them 'buds')of this plant be destroyed so that we might enjoy the wondrous fibers in the stems?
Think about it for 30 seconds before you answer. I don't smoke it, and even I know it's a ridiculous concept.
@blogegog How could you be this clueless. Cannabis is a genus, sativa is the species and then strains i.e. breeds of plants. Cannabis plants intended for any drug cultivation cannot be hidden in a hemp field, as the size and height of each are significantly different. As a parallel imagine, canine dog has been outlawed not just the breed like Mastif or Akita or Pitbull, but all Dogs. Say you want to breed a working dog. You can't because all dogs are outlawed.
@libertyfizz friend, although I'm ChemE, I'm also a non-professional farmer. You don't need to school me. But thanks for the primer nevertheless. Since you didn't answer my question, please allow me to ask it again.
Are you suggesting that the leaves and flowering sections (you might call them 'buds')of this plant be destroyed so that we might enjoy the wondrous fibers in the stems?
As I've said previously, I'm fully supportive of legalizing this stuff and taxing the crap out of smokers.
@blogegog Your question is one of misdirection. Industrial hemp can't intoxicate anyone. The flowering sections of industrial hemp contains seeds which are used to produce hemp oil and most hemp food stuffs which are not intoxicants. If you use the drug variant buds you end up with an intoxicant. The leaves can be used for various compounds. The entire industrial hemp plant is useful for more than just fiber. Less of the cotton plant is useful.
@libertyfizz Ok I'm going to assume that you DON'T support the legalization of weed and are only interested in the ultra fantastical fibers that hemp represents. In that case I no longer support your cause. Only a stoner would suggest that hemp stems be given any other treatment than being plowed back into the ground.
@blogegog It is obvious you are misdirecting people with your comments. I am for legalizing both the non-drug variant of cannabis as well as the thc producing variety. I just don't care if you support it or not. My point has been to correct your misleading comments. The entire plant is useful and I have given you multiple examples of products produced which are made from other parts of the plant.
@libertyfizz I'm not misdirecting. I'm telling you that flax is of more value than hemp, that's all, and that flax is pretty worthless. I think it's you that is misdirecting people. You are trying to say that the reason you want it legalized is because you love clothing made from hemp. I think everyone here knows that you just like to get high.
@blogegog You are wrong or lying. Hemp is superior to flax. Hemp can make mold resistant concrete and drywall substitute not flax. Doubtful you will get yourself educated on the 1000s of products made from hemp that can't be produced from flax. At one time over 75% of all paper was made from hemp. I think if anyone reads this they should realize you are somehow profiting by keeping marijuana illegal. So which is it are you a drug dealer or a state drug enforcer?
@libertyfizz well, yeah, what you say is true. Hemp could be used as an inferior substitute for drywall. But why bother when we've got a cheaper substitute, gypsum, that performs the job much better? And it may be true that at one time a large percentage of paper was made from hemp, but now we have a much better resource, pine trees. I'm only saying that there are better products available for everything hemp is supposed to be able to do. EVERYTHING. That's why no one uses it.
@blogegog No, no one uses it much here because it is illegal to grow and the products have to be imported. As transportation becomes more expensive hemp only becomes more viable an alternative. My state is highly unlikely to legalize the thc variant of the plant. So when I say I want hemp I mean hemp. Possibly government subsidized products are more competitive now but the government if you haven't noticed is going bankrupt the real costs of those products will come out.
@libertyfizz Ok, I'll take you at your word that you just really like hemp as a product. But I still disagree with you about it being a profitable industry. Cotton, grown in America, sent to the third world, turned into clothing and sent back is still dramatically cheaper than clothing made in America from that same cotton. And if the cotton is grown in the third world, it's even cheaper. The same would hold true for hemp. Transportation is not as big a factor as you surmise. Hemp sucks :(
@libertyfizz So, yet again, I ask you to join the good fight. Admit that you want weed legal not for the fibers of its stems, but for the THC in its buds. Trying to convince people that weed needs to be legalized because of the awesomeness of hemp is ridiculous and only serves to prove that you have never worked in the fiber industry (BTW, it's very big!).
As I've said before, I support legalization. But I'm not naive enough to believe that hemp will ever again have any value commercially.
@blogegog Why "tax the crap out of them"? Taxing one lifestyle choice more or less than others is social engineering, which is not the role of legitimate government. How about tax marijuana exactly like coca cola, whole wheat cereal, milk, flour, leather jackets, printer paper, car tires, etc. Of course those things are often taxed differently, but the point holds. Smokers of anything should not be punished simply because some others do not like the choice they have made.
@kev3d You make a great point. And there's also something to be said for not giving the government any MORE money to waste. But here's my reasoning and the reason I want to legalize and tax all drugs:
People who overuse drugs or alcohol are most often a drain on society. They (typically but not always) don't work and don't pay taxes. Later on in life, they'll probably need government handouts to survive. The overtaxation I describe is just a prepayment for that.
When you graduate you would then have what it takes to get licence to grow and sell some very good cannabis to dispenseries.
RBKL777 2 weeks ago
2 words- RON PAUL- if you really want it legalized!!!
DansFishChannel 2 months ago 3
make it a #
MP5breakcore 2 months ago
I got one of those buldog coasters from 1988, and i couldn't get the disposable camera pics developed at walmart of the grass when i got home.
Hotshoe 2 months ago in playlist Reason.tv on Drug and Alcohol Policy
I'm sooo stoned.
SketchyMa420 3 months ago 2
The origin of the pot reform my ass. Weed is still illegal there while in Denver,the mile High city, weed is legal. Get you fact right.
ben052488 3 months ago
@ben052488 so you can smoke a joint next to a cop?
willabeesgotapollo13 2 months ago
@willabeesgotapollo13 i did in North Hollywood.... the cop was like, ummm you know this guy is going through your garbage can over here? Im from Iowa so i was like, shit son! its all gravy! im fried!
pag3r 1 week ago
The only thing is, what kind of jobs can you get after graduating from here? Like good paying jobs, not just budtenders cause i dont even think they get paid that good.
7h3tSLDR02 4 months ago
@7h3tSLDR02
(important)>Here's where the catch is = U DON'T GET ANY JOBZ FOR SMOKING POT / GOING TO OAKSTERDAM ;P
Mikuruification 4 months ago
How can I enroll.plz reply
boSSnup408 5 months ago
@boSSnup408 Go to their website!
slimshadyfan2529 5 months ago
yes to weed im beatin my probation then burnin 1 and goin straight to oaksterdam university ohh btw 9 ppl were soo blitzed they missed the like button
imCapone1124 5 months ago
"cofee shop blue sky....hhahahaaa"wtf...funny..
8LuckyGambler8 6 months ago
at least now i can reassure my mom im going to college O_O
Hopscottch 7 months ago
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BlazzinTunes 7 months ago
Make Cigarettes illegal and Weed legal !
madzane94 7 months ago
@madzane94 Make all drugs legal and the crime will go away.
MasterofGan 5 months ago
@MasterofGan what's the use of reducing crime if you're gonna legalize meth and those shit that cause people to ultimately kill themself?
madzane94 5 months ago
@madzane94 The use is people use meth and such will do it anyways. Do you really think those people care if the drug is legal or not? Nope they dont, So instead of the money coming to gang and other criminal organizations that murder,rob,rape and assault, the money goes to the goverment that rehabilitating those who are addicted to these drugs.
MasterofGan 5 months ago
show that lady poopn on a dinner plate
swaapo 9 months ago
Those leaves are yellowing. Why aren't there alarms sounding? Get those guys some nitrogen or fix the ph.
tekproxy 10 months ago
@tekproxy Or fix the temp, because overwatering in high temp causes leaf burn also!
QualityKush 7 months ago
@QualityKush good to know. it's really hot here and i think my fig tree is suffering from over wet soil that does not drain well.
tekproxy 7 months ago
I was born in Oakland :)
OakyDoky24 10 months ago
Richard Lee is the ONLY legal person to grew cannabis legally in Oakland. No other dispensary or grower with prop 215 card can grow without DEA busting them except Richard holding a monopoly on cannabis. I think he might be working with the government all for corporation profits! BiG PHARMA companies are coming to take over cannabis and have developed a knock out gene to take THC out of cannabis!
559cck 10 months ago
Uploaded on 4/20!!!! And that chick is FINE!!!
420chris4208 11 months ago
But the govt wants ppl to kill each other and themselves. They don't want ppl getting high and thinking in different ways. They hate open mindedness
bbasketballstr11 1 year ago 2
Highstreet Smartshop Headshop Seedshop Amsterdam
like them on facebook! no fucking bullshit you get a free pipe if they get 500 likes BEFORE march 1! and a bunch of other shit too.
honsrain669 1 year ago
Im coming, Im coming, im coming! As soon as i graduate from high school Im ready to get out of kentucky, and hopefully help my state/country in this time of crisis in the future
ZackCarver11 1 year ago
Yes Brayan, I am watching this. roflloolololo
diasflac69 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you want to study here
jammingwithmarley 1 year ago
200th Like. :)
SolarEXtract 1 year ago
instead of oaksterdam university they should of named it tokesterdam university
TheBLEEZYKING15 1 year ago
stop video at 7:13
CCCCCalico 1 year ago 6
I got 3 more weeks at Oaksterdam University, BEST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE!!!!!!!! I voted Yes on Prop 19!!!!!
SaNka1NdaHoUs3 1 year ago
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ilovegmanlolz 1 year ago
chick is baked during the tour? lol
thecosmos003 1 year ago
@thecosmos003 Lmao same thing i noticed her eyes are fuckin low hehe thats pretty damn great.
kapnkrunk14 1 year ago
Free British Columbia's Marc Emery from U.S Incarceration. This law would release him from jail. Help your fellow BC BUDDERS. Marc is our BC BUD :)
Twosidedtape 1 year ago
Best of luck, Oaksterdam. Love your cause. <3
courxcore 1 year ago
Hey, this seems really civilized and professional. Keep up the good work!
Kvaminator 1 year ago
the bill should be 18 not 21 years of age to smoke or posses weed.
JakeMWoods 1 year ago
@JakeMWoods Try that with alcohol first amigo ;-D, is the same age, I do agree with you: both should be 18, if you are old to vote and to join the army, you should be consider an adult for all of the rest.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito well.. here in Belgium you can have alcohol at 16 and can have a max weight of 5g of cannabis at 18 y/o
it's still illegal to sell or buy but it's legal to grow in your house
djko17 1 year ago
@djko17 I'm Spanish... same rules, only we are pretty much drug frendly, the laws have never been reinforced on normal citizens.
The issue hear is that we have much narco mafias, since it's the entrance for Europe, they capture cocaine by thousends of kilograms, last was 5.000 kg of cristal pure colombian coke in my city.
Weed and hash are like part of our culture, cops wont do anything to you other than taking it away from you...probably to smoke it themselves ;-D
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
i say yes to weed and no to dea scum trying to get rid of it its never going away weed is here to stay they need to make wee legal in chicago lol
Vatoloko312 1 year ago
shes hot
bbblahoo7 1 year ago 33
I wish richard lee was my uncle.
worldsmostfunrocker 1 year ago
::ALL CALIFORNIA VOTERS::
Vote YES on Prop 19 this November!! We need to tax and regulate marijuana to ease our states financial crisis, NOT LAY OFF TEACHERS!!
A vote for Proposition 19 is a vote for common sense!
videogeek27 1 year ago
My question is why does the city blatanatly discriminate and only let these Cannabis Club owners set up shop. There are thousands of aspiring entrepreneurs in Oakland who arent given this luxury even when they apply for a permit. That's my only beef. The people who work in these Cannabis Clubs have this arrogance about them like they really arent drug dealers.
BXMammal 1 year ago
I WILL GO TO THIS SCHOOL!
SaNka1NdaHoUs3 1 year ago
@SaNka1NdaHoUs3 ME TOO DUDE...one day i WILL be there!!
420Sheffield420 1 year ago
@420Sheffield420 i'm gonna go dis fall semester, i'm gonna take da morning classes dat start from aug. 18 to nov....
One Love, Peace, & Blessings from Hawaii!
SaNka1NdaHoUs3 1 year ago
any greedy growers and smokers in CA who is voting NO, because they think they will get less money, GET THE FUCK OUT OF CALIFORNIA!
dtp5150 1 year ago
Wow these people are horrible and should be lock up forever. NOT!
YES WEED CAN!
Legalize that shit.
awisrippin 1 year ago
"if americans have the right to drink alcohol, smoke ciggarettes and own a gun, they can easily smoke a joint..it's as simple as that".... You couldnt have said that any better.... I wish i lived in Cali..i would be more than happy to attend that university no questions asked..but unfortuantely for me... I'm in New York City... Hidden growers, Unite
mrcokez1 1 year ago
legalize cannabis n da sister plant hemp =] most valuable plants know to plant
brothachand 1 year ago
You guy's are awesome,how about I come out there and take care of your PR.What can I do from here to help.
jusbarryman 1 year ago
You really did a fabulous job putting that video together.
gared111 1 year ago
whats the song in the first couple seconds of the video?
xedjflowx 1 year ago
@stefminus Did you fail to pay attention? The only part that would be taxed is commercial sales and commercial cultivation. That means it would basically the same as beer. You are allowed to brew your own beer at home tax free if you know how. The legislation presented in Cali would allow for individuals to grow their own plants tax free as well. How would this be bad?
sedatedlife18 1 year ago
Id like to go to that school, but i am not a resident of cali.
getbked 1 year ago
And another thing, Legalizing weed will not stop drug violence. The violence in Mexico is not over weed, it is over meth, cocaine and heroin. Those drugs are the ones that make the huge money and create users that usually become hopeless addicts, who, in turn, keep the drug cartels in business. Weed is cheap and non addictive and while it is a black market cash crop, its value is no where near the more dangerous drugs. Legalizing weed only will not solve the drug crime problem.
Spectreman 1 year ago
@Spectreman LOL.... thanx for that.... Do u work for the Mexican drug line??? or do u just like to say the first thing that comes to your mind.... its medicinal qualities are not fully known.... its not always the value of the item but how much it is consumed case in point.... How many so called dangerous drug user do u know..... its people like u that give cannabis its bad name... only sit at the table if u know what the fuck your talking about
incredibleduck 1 year ago
@incredibleduck Um, do you ever make sense or is it the side effect of your off to bed bong? Considering Mexico is the major supplier of cocaine and meth, bringing in 10s of billions of $ every year, legalization of weed will not stop drug violence. So why don't you either make a real coherent argument or go back to the kiddie table and smoke another bowl. You are proving that for all its great qualities, marijuana cannot cure stupid.
Spectreman 1 year ago
@Spectreman Ok...... Again I would love to know where you are getting your facts.... please leave a source..... cause most black market jobs don't get out sourced...More than 60 percent of the cartels' revenue -- $8.6 billion out of $13.8 billion in 2006 -- came from U.S. marijuana sales, according to the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy..... Hows that for coherent and again its ok to have an opinion just dont state it as fact....
incredibleduck 1 year ago
@Spectreman Most Cocaine comes from Colombia, not Mexico. But that is beside the point. The drug markets are the size that they are, if Marijuana was legalized the drug violence related to it would cease. It is not as though there will be more, say, cocaine related murders to fill the void of murders formerly committed in relation to marijuana. Of course all drugs ought to be legalized, which would not end crime of course, but severely reduce it and and increase personal freedom and commerce.
kev3d 1 year ago
I love weed, right? But this whole calling it "medicine" is just pompous bs. Yes, weed has many many medicinal benefits and can truly help people who are very sick. But constantly referring to it as "medicine" while at the same time trying to make it legal for everyone for purely recreational purposes its disingenuous. Its like saying red wine is medicine because a glass a day helps your heart. And screw the taxation and regulation - I have enough government intrusion in my life.
Spectreman 1 year ago
Prohibition has done nothing but grow organized crime and deplete gov coffers-
nesterhaus 1 year ago
here's a question: what's the difference between "epicenter" and "center"?
saxmanmax 1 year ago
@saxmanmax an epicenter spreads outward. a center is just a point in which marks halfway between one point and another. i thought i learned that in third grade or so.
hackskillz1 1 year ago
@hackskillz1 no need for the condescension. "epicenter" does not necessarily imply outward spreading. It's simply the focal point of some activity, often an earthquake, in which case there is spreading. Your definition of "center" is actually the definition of "midpoint". A center can be the center of any number of things, not just two points. : )
saxmanmax 1 year ago
Reason always puts up some great, informative videos.
I'd like to fuck that asian broad at 5:18. Preferably after smoking a j or two with her.
tedatlas 1 year ago
Complete backwards thinking.
Taxing and regulating it = MORE marijuana laws, arrests and prison sentences.
MrPloppy1 1 year ago
Very interesting. It's a shame though that you guys named your first coffeeshop after a tourist coffeeshop chain here in Holland. It's not a respected establishment by the locals here.
ImYourDrillerMan 1 year ago
Yes to weed, no to taxes.
KagarBeardtooth 1 year ago 12
That girl's laugh is so fake and annoying!
soicuw 1 year ago
Any step toward more liberty is positive, still libertarians should be cautious about reading to much into this one. It's very common for marijuana users to be concerned only for that one liberty, use of marijuana, and to attempt to gain it by attacking and demonizing all other liberties they view as dangerous, all of which others value, such as other drugs, and even non-drug items like firearms. Hardly libertarian attitudes in any real sense, closer to the opposite.
RatkoUSA 1 year ago
the government is ridiculous man!...let freedom reign baby!
guns and drugs!
dirksilver 1 year ago 2
The state has no place in regulating marijuana for profit. Decriminalize it and let the people be free to make their own choices.
GOTU62 1 year ago
Marijuana is a plant made by God. Legalize that which naturally grows in nature!!!!
thesightbeyondsight 1 year ago
But there is 1 thing in your way. It's the United States of America.
We need to work on a Federal level.
You aren't the law.
We need to legalize all drugs at the Federal level.
That's all drugs!
12dollarsand78cents 1 year ago
Funny.
The video ends with a No Left Turn sign.
I laughed.
Don't turn left. Legalize and keep moving straight toward freedom. It not left or right.
Its freedom.
harryogre 1 year ago
1:58 Why are the plants so yellow??? Aren't these supposed to be expert growers?
mrbobsevil 1 year ago
Ha ha ha, Medicine. Yeah, thats what you are teaching people to make, medicine. What a joke, you are doing this to get high and alter your mind. If you want to get the larger populous to be on your side, be honest.
Yereviltwin2 1 year ago 2
Yeah, makes sense to legalize weed. Certainly need to do something about those crime syndicates. If the gangs get to big, the middle class will give up on the current form of government and "go vigilante".
rentonsentinel 1 year ago
Legalize all drugs, criminalize taxes.
sticksquash 1 year ago 2
The chick giving the tour is one hot filly. :)
MagnusIan 1 year ago
The illegality of drugs and prostitution is primarily a religious control-freak thing.
FreeInquisition 1 year ago
@TristanRogersJazz I agree.
HarryNRubin 1 year ago
Freakin' hippies. I'll vote yes on this issue, but mostly because I'm sick of wasting tax dollars on the War On Drugs. I'm worried about how this will effect the Mexican drug-based economy, but we need to get their Cartel's crops and boobie traps off our public lands. The War On Drugs was just Republican bullshit. . . .and now we seem primed for a War On Climate Change, which is Democrat bullshit.
ironbuttermilk 1 year ago
crime is defined as doing harm on another person, how is smoking MJ a crime when it does not directly affect anyone but the user?
ForTehNguyen 1 year ago
"Finally legalize cannabis once and for all." I think he means "again and for all."
Libertarianist 1 year ago
They always talk about taxing and regulating when they talk about legalizing. But why don't we push for total legalization. No taxes, no regulation, just freedom!
ScottcNehrer 1 year ago
Mega- I don't even think hard drugs should be illegal. As Penn Jilette would say: Unless you are free to put whatever substance you want IN YOUR OWN BODY, you are not free
wvmcc82 1 year ago
Looking at the comments it is a shame that people are still want to tell us how to live our lives as if they own us. Hopefully someone doesn't ban something you enjoy participating in and if they do you better not fucking complain.
pink3y 1 year ago
Can't wait to see what reason has to say celebrating ur mofoing birf come november... and about the mid-terms.
yojimbo3000 1 year ago
Need to go there!
Nonoyawns 1 year ago
november 2nd is my mofuckin burthday
robinsoncrucify 1 year ago
@chopsky it is 4/20 today. So makes sense to me they push their pieces on pot right now. Duh. Last week was 4/15 and they pushed their tax pieces. I see they have 16 pieces on Healthcare (a lost battle -- but worthy of the coverage) and an hour long series dedicated to Cleveland. CLEVELAND! Yep. All Reason talks about is pot. Nailed it.
yojimbo3000 1 year ago 2
I really don't like my friends behavior who smoke, BUT when you look at how much revenue and jobs alcohol and tobacco contribute to the economy, then maybe there is something to this.
There is a price that society will pay, and we don't know if it will be overall negative or positive.
soundsliketruck 1 year ago
Let me see if I got this right.
California makes it illegal to smoke a cigarette? (in private property, bars),bans gay marriage, taxes its population into oblivion, banned firearms, (more or less), IS going to make the US taxpayer bail them out (my prediction)
Not trying to be a buzz kill, but it seems to me that California has a lot more to do than just taxing pot. And why tax it anyway? Are we not protesting to goddamn many taxes in the first place?
anarchylogic 1 year ago
Gee, do they sell child porn, too? Way to go Oakland... yay...
Kris246zl 1 year ago
@Kris246zl associating child porn and pot. Mental midget much?
jsh78mang 1 year ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
@jsh78mang No. Just potheads. Potheads are just creepy people that are prone to rape and molest anyway. They should all be shot.
Kris246zl 1 year ago
i'd say ban alcohol and keep marijuana illegal
fnovax 1 year ago 2
Reason TV is the perfect title. Most TV has no reasoning behind it. It is usually senseless propaganda and mindless entertainment aimed at adverting your attention and brainwashing you into believing toxic mimics are really medicine and food. If pot were to be legalized, all the tax money being wasted on prosecuting non-violent criminals would be reverted to health care. All the oil companies would suddenly have serious competition also losing their grip on the monopoly they so firmly maintain.
fatherprime 1 year ago
Solution: Abolish the war on drugs entirely, and legalize ALL drugs, period.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago 25
@Surhotchaperchlorome i agree for the most part but what about shit like PCP that makes to litterly want to kill other People my friend right now is in jail for taking klonopin and shooting up a house that the "thought" a petofile lived in
kainniak1 1 year ago
@kainniak1 what does that crap have to do with this issue. If people are stupid enough to do crack and pcp then they could eat draino if they wanted. We are talking about a natural plant.
seamstobe 1 year ago
@seamstobe he didnt say just weed he said all drugs -_- read first post b4 you go off on a rant
kainniak1 1 year ago
I think it's time to change the name from Reason TV to Pot TV. It's all you guys ever talk about.
chopsky 1 year ago
@chopsky ...Gotta bust out the pot videos on 4/20. I'm lovin' it.
d0861 1 year ago 4
This is easily the largest number of white people I have ever seen in Oakland!
huttwigley 1 year ago
I despise drugs, but people need to learn to divide their personal opinion with what is right, you can't be for liberty and keep a plant illegal. It is not the governments job to protect you from yourself.
jkessler410 1 year ago 2
Maybe they could stay the fuck out of our buisness and let us grow it ourselves
daizee106 1 year ago 13
This is all well and good but I couldn't help noticing how pathetic it is how they feel they have to beg the government and try to hold a carrot out to them -- "hey, we'll let you point a gun at us at take some of our money every time we buy it, and we'll still let you throw us in a cage if we grow more than 25 square feet of it, come on, pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase."
furyofbongos 1 year ago 2
happy 4:20!
krypekeeper 1 year ago
Legalize it! It's simple and will cut the deficit!
PUGS1688 1 year ago
That girl is hot
karkelkhan 1 year ago
Legalized Marijuana is the only way CA will stop losing people and jobs to Texas. It could actually make CA a destination state once again for multitudes of people.
If you don't think that the War on Drugs is an important issue then you haven't been paying attention. The number of people in prison and the lost productivity and ruined lives hurt our economy.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz
Haha... i'm not against legalization, but let's be real. The people moving to Texas are business owners. The people that would move to California due to legalization will largely be holding jobs as street sweepers and coffee shop owners, etc. The beneficial effects to California in this regard will be negligible. The tax rates and stifling business environment in Cali need to change to regain the productive businesses to allow the state to recover.
Tidoublemy 1 year ago
@Tidoublemy Medical tourism, industrial hemp production can create more than menial jobs. Or do you think prison guard and mule are much more rewarding careers? Travel has made Holland a destination point. 100s of Hemp products are currently imported legally but illegal to grow. CA can be to MJ what NV is to gambling. You are underestimating the gains this could have for CA. I agree it isn't the only way CA will keep and attract people. Being friendly to business is also important.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz Haha... no - my point is that the potheads are largely going to be performing menial jobs. That's just how they are. Denial of that is denial of reality. The true producers are the business owners and the majority of them aren't the avid pot users that legalization would attract.
Tidoublemy 1 year ago
@Tidoublemy Even if you don't like pot, just think of what legalizing it will do the interState commernce clause. The Supreme court might have to actually honor original intent because of this.
XlancerTHEgreat1 1 year ago
@Tidoublemy Haha .. You are in denial if you think that producers of hemp products would not want to be close to where the raw material is grown. CA actually has some deals for manufacturing. An entrepreneur doesn't have to be a pothead to want to produce hemp fiberboard to replace drywall. Hemp is a billion dollar crop possibly trillion dollar crop. Stop thinking of just THC variant. google the Popular Mech article prior to prohibition of Hemp called "NEW BILLION-DOLLAR CROP."
libertyfizz 1 year ago
4:20 fuckers!!! Fire it up!
TheCaptainLulz 1 year ago
Why should libertarians seriously give a flying turd about a tiny issue like pot legalization during a time of war and never ending government power grabs?
highonhayek 1 year ago
@highonhayek The criminalization of marijuana is just as much a power grab as any other. Without the cash crop of hemp many independent farms can't stay competitive. As each small producer is pushed out the farming it becomes concentrated in the hands of a small number of Agri Corporations. Do you really think it will be a good thing for the food supply to become monopolized by Monsanto or Con Agra? Because not just MJ is illegal so is it's non-drug relative Industrial Hemp.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz That's simply not true. There are farmers making a living on plots as small as two acres without resorting to selling weed. Check out tinyfarmblog for a great example.
As a side-note, if pot were to become legal, farms would not be able to make much money on it. It's much to easy to grow anywhere in America.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog that is why it is illegal actually. Because it would become worth less if made legal. With it illegal it has many values. It can be abused by authority as a leverage and excuse to create more criminals, and therefore creates job security for the police and prisons. It also puts it into the hands of the gun wielding, desperate, money hungry psychopaths. So you see the marijuana itself is only criminal by association with criminality. Prohibition of anti-war drugs. Promotion of war drug.
fatherprime 1 year ago 2
@fatherprime I agree completely.
blogegog 1 year ago
@fatherprime The same could be said about prostitution: a crime that is only made dangerous because it is labeled a crime.
wvmcc82 1 year ago
@fatherprime It would not be worthless. You all are only thinking of drugs. Hemp also illegal and extremely valuable. Fiber from hemp is very durable and can replace 1000s of products such as polyester, nylon, plastic, cloth, and paper products. Ford made car panels out of hemp fiberglass. A potential billion dollar crop. As a food it is high in protein. The big kahuna hemp based natural pesticides instead of petroleum based. But keep on thinking people will grow their own toilet paper.
libertyfizz 1 year ago 2
@blogegog I deal with tobacco farmers here in NC with average 100 acre farms. Growing hemp is what they are pushing for due to water easements. Every acre forced out of production for clean water is lost revenue. Hemp with its root structure and no pesticide needed can keep water clean and land in production. There are many commercial plants people can grown and cultivate in their yards which are weeds. Tobacco is a weed it is very easy to grow and more people are due to taxes.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz hemp grown in fmr tobaco fields would be poison. no one would smoke it because over the years the government has put uranium mining tailings in the fields. not to mention what other crap they have put there and we dont know about.
solomonkane23 1 year ago
@solomonkane23 That is a complete and utter lie. I work on tobacco farms all the time and test water as well as soil quality you are so full of crap. Besides I am not talking about the drug variant as being what these farmers are begging to be allowed to grow. Oh and by the way we rotate crops so you had better stop enjoying any soy products you currently eat because tobacco fields are commonly rotated with soy bean production. No tofu for you. We also rotate in winter wheat.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz, that's just magical thinking. There is no real market for hemp. It can't compete with cotton for clothing, and it's woefully weak in comparison to polyesters like Nylon in the thread department.
Don't get me wrong. I'm fine with potheads choosing to smoke weed and for the rest of us to legalize it and tax the crap out of them. It's not the government's job to protect people from their self-destructive ways. I'm just saying that you are overstating the value of hemp - massively.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog hemp is one of the strongest natural fibers and last longer then cotton... it would stop the destruction of forest due to it replacing paper... not to mention all the prescriptions it would replace.....SELF DESTRUCTION----deaths from cannabis 0..... try to keep up n not just state your opinion....
incredibleduck 1 year ago
@incredibleduck Yes, hemp is strong, but so is stainless steel. But both of them are rarely used in clothing. Why? Because it's not comfortable. There are plenty of countries that allow hemp clothing, but very little actual hemp clothing. That should make it clear that it's not a desirable fiber.
And as a tree farmer (well, we grow trees on about 200 acres of land... not sure if that makes me a 'farmer' or not) there is NOTHING unsustainable about it. We chop them down and plant new ones.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog LOL..... the paper demand is more then your 200 acres can produce.. As a general guide line trees take 10-100 years to reach mature depending on the distance from the equator. Hemp cant even be grown in the US so the availability of hemp clothing is not high but from the sound of it you have a full wardrobe. Not to mention the fact that it is over priced. I have not even touched on it being used as a fuel.... which means it a closed cycle--hows that self-sustaining tree farm now....
incredibleduck 1 year ago
@incredibleduck It should be pointed out that harvesting trees is more dangerous. And hemp fields can produce over the same number to years several tons more fiber than trees.
Recently the imported Chinese drywall used to rebuild NO was found out to be mold susceptible. Imagine if hempcrete fiber board a mold resistant product had been used? If not illegal that product could have been grown and manufactured in the USA. Keeping industrial hemp illegal is against our national interest.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@blogegog Are you high? Hemp is a very valuable crop countries that impose the death penalty for growing Marijuana grow Hemp and produce products which they import to the USA legally. You need to deal with the concept of peak oil. Most effective pesticides are made from oil right now. If hemp pesticides aren't developed millions of people could die. You simply do not understand how dependent food production is on oil based pesticides and fertilizer. Hemp needs to be studied not outlawed.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
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@libertyfizz Hehe, no, I'm not high :). And I'm a chemical engineer AND a bit of a farmer, so trust me, I know about pesticides and the concept of 'peak oil'.
But I'm a little confused by your statement, "f hemp pesticides aren't developed millions of people could die." What do you mean? Current legal pesticides work fine on weed. What bug are you trying to annihilate? Write it here, and I'll tell you how.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog More accurate. If alternatives to petroleum based pesticides aren't developed millions could die. Hemp is one of many plants which has show promise for developing alternative pest resistant or repellent products. On a small scale lady bugs might work but they are less commercially viable than the potential with Hemp seed oil presents. It is also very promising as a building material Hempcrete is already being used. There are literally thousands of products hemp can produce.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz Look, I support you, in general. I just think you should admit that you just want to smoke the stuff (I'm fine with that, because I want to tax you!), and give up on proclaiming the greatness of hemp fibers. they are no better than any other woody fiber, and stating otherwise weakens your case. Heck, even FLAX is better than hemp. Do you see a big market for flax clothing?
Regardless, I still support your goal of legalizing pot. With a tax :).
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog However, as a food source Hemp leaves flax in the dust. Both are omega 3 power houses but Hemp has the perfect ratio of omegas with the highest protein content. I suppose if someone developed flax crete, or flax fiberglass like material then maybe it would be odd that it hasn't taken off. How easy is flax to grow and thrash to separate out the fibers? How well does flax act as a barrier crop for more pesticide intensive crops? How much pesticide needed grow season etc. .
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz I don't want to bad-mouth you. As I said, I'm supporting your idea to legalize weed to placate the people of lesser intelligence who might smoke it 100%! And to tax the crap out of them, but nothing like the fake tax that the crime-lords impose on it to support their nefarious doings.
But your pro-flax comments continue to leave me confused. Are you expecting people to gnaw on woody stems to get omega threes? It's not going to happen.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog Go to a Whole Foods. They sell hemp products like milk, butter, flour, breads, chips, oils, soaps, and twine all of it from imported hemp. I was not making pro or anti flax comments. Flax not a hemp equivalent an argument you floated. Flax needs pesticides with no herbicide benefit like hemp.
NC pot not likely, industrial hemp maybe, making your I want to get high a straw-man. ND passed hemp but FED still bans. CA would just add to the push for USA industrial hemp farming.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz So are you saying that you DON'T want to smoke it, and you only want to legalize the growth of the plant for its fantastic fibers?
I find that hard to believe, but will do so if you say it.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog CA is 3000 away if I wanted to smokeup Montreal is closer. Decriminalization of hemp will be more influential nationally. When ND took up hemp NC took notice. NC has rivers with water quality issues and having a crop is better than losing acreage to increased water easements. NC is also looking to replace tobacco and manufacturing jobs. In NC legal THC in CA won't have as much influence. We have social conservative law makers and the people don't have referendum power here.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz I'm having trouble understanding you (it's no doubt my own fault. I may be slightly retarded depending upon who you believe.) So I have to re-ask this question. Are you suggesting that the leaves and flowering sections (you might call them 'buds')of this plant be destroyed so that we might enjoy the wondrous fibers in the stems?
Think about it for 30 seconds before you answer. I don't smoke it, and even I know it's a ridiculous concept.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog How could you be this clueless. Cannabis is a genus, sativa is the species and then strains i.e. breeds of plants. Cannabis plants intended for any drug cultivation cannot be hidden in a hemp field, as the size and height of each are significantly different. As a parallel imagine, canine dog has been outlawed not just the breed like Mastif or Akita or Pitbull, but all Dogs. Say you want to breed a working dog. You can't because all dogs are outlawed.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz friend, although I'm ChemE, I'm also a non-professional farmer. You don't need to school me. But thanks for the primer nevertheless. Since you didn't answer my question, please allow me to ask it again.
Are you suggesting that the leaves and flowering sections (you might call them 'buds')of this plant be destroyed so that we might enjoy the wondrous fibers in the stems?
As I've said previously, I'm fully supportive of legalizing this stuff and taxing the crap out of smokers.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog Your question is one of misdirection. Industrial hemp can't intoxicate anyone. The flowering sections of industrial hemp contains seeds which are used to produce hemp oil and most hemp food stuffs which are not intoxicants. If you use the drug variant buds you end up with an intoxicant. The leaves can be used for various compounds. The entire industrial hemp plant is useful for more than just fiber. Less of the cotton plant is useful.
PS Friend don't care if you support pot.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz Ok I'm going to assume that you DON'T support the legalization of weed and are only interested in the ultra fantastical fibers that hemp represents. In that case I no longer support your cause. Only a stoner would suggest that hemp stems be given any other treatment than being plowed back into the ground.
But I'm just a 'part time' farmer.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog It is obvious you are misdirecting people with your comments. I am for legalizing both the non-drug variant of cannabis as well as the thc producing variety. I just don't care if you support it or not. My point has been to correct your misleading comments. The entire plant is useful and I have given you multiple examples of products produced which are made from other parts of the plant.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz I'm not misdirecting. I'm telling you that flax is of more value than hemp, that's all, and that flax is pretty worthless. I think it's you that is misdirecting people. You are trying to say that the reason you want it legalized is because you love clothing made from hemp. I think everyone here knows that you just like to get high.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog You are wrong or lying. Hemp is superior to flax. Hemp can make mold resistant concrete and drywall substitute not flax. Doubtful you will get yourself educated on the 1000s of products made from hemp that can't be produced from flax. At one time over 75% of all paper was made from hemp. I think if anyone reads this they should realize you are somehow profiting by keeping marijuana illegal. So which is it are you a drug dealer or a state drug enforcer?
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz well, yeah, what you say is true. Hemp could be used as an inferior substitute for drywall. But why bother when we've got a cheaper substitute, gypsum, that performs the job much better? And it may be true that at one time a large percentage of paper was made from hemp, but now we have a much better resource, pine trees. I'm only saying that there are better products available for everything hemp is supposed to be able to do. EVERYTHING. That's why no one uses it.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog No, no one uses it much here because it is illegal to grow and the products have to be imported. As transportation becomes more expensive hemp only becomes more viable an alternative. My state is highly unlikely to legalize the thc variant of the plant. So when I say I want hemp I mean hemp. Possibly government subsidized products are more competitive now but the government if you haven't noticed is going bankrupt the real costs of those products will come out.
libertyfizz 1 year ago
@libertyfizz Ok, I'll take you at your word that you just really like hemp as a product. But I still disagree with you about it being a profitable industry. Cotton, grown in America, sent to the third world, turned into clothing and sent back is still dramatically cheaper than clothing made in America from that same cotton. And if the cotton is grown in the third world, it's even cheaper. The same would hold true for hemp. Transportation is not as big a factor as you surmise. Hemp sucks :(
blogegog 1 year ago
@libertyfizz So, yet again, I ask you to join the good fight. Admit that you want weed legal not for the fibers of its stems, but for the THC in its buds. Trying to convince people that weed needs to be legalized because of the awesomeness of hemp is ridiculous and only serves to prove that you have never worked in the fiber industry (BTW, it's very big!).
As I've said before, I support legalization. But I'm not naive enough to believe that hemp will ever again have any value commercially.
blogegog 1 year ago
@blogegog Why "tax the crap out of them"? Taxing one lifestyle choice more or less than others is social engineering, which is not the role of legitimate government. How about tax marijuana exactly like coca cola, whole wheat cereal, milk, flour, leather jackets, printer paper, car tires, etc. Of course those things are often taxed differently, but the point holds. Smokers of anything should not be punished simply because some others do not like the choice they have made.
kev3d 1 year ago
@kev3d You make a great point. And there's also something to be said for not giving the government any MORE money to waste. But here's my reasoning and the reason I want to legalize and tax all drugs:
People who overuse drugs or alcohol are most often a drain on society. They (typically but not always) don't work and don't pay taxes. Later on in life, they'll probably need government handouts to survive. The overtaxation I describe is just a prepayment for that.
blogegog 1 year ago