Are you all insane?! In 1953 a scientist patented an on board hydrogen seperator that ran a common car on 100% pure water with no need of gasoline and the U.S. special interest who pull the strings of the govt had laws witten that deemed Hydrogen to dangerous for the consumer to be trusted with putting in their cars so the good idea was blocked on that lie and now idiots like this desertpedaphile dude says hho doesnt exist just to get attention and you all give it to him? What a bunch of loosers
desertphile huh? sounds alot like pedophile. And this dude looks like a pedophile too. I have been to the state pen years ago for beatin the shit out of my brotherinlaw with a baseball bat for breakin my sisters noise and arm. I seen this guys type in there. Same whinny-assed attitude. Little half bald boney armed little dude like him would be somebodies bitch in the pen. Just seeing this dude makes me want to bitch slap him.whinny voice..lift some weights dude! Get your nuts lowered or somethin
Let me guess, the challenge that was accepted/not accepted must have been from that turd the "Smack" He should be called the "Spank" as in spanking it.
This is lame. I agree that those who claim massive fuel efficiency increase with a minimal HHO per minute gas production need to be chastised, but what if a person has results of fuel saving that is less then 20% but is still a saving, what then? you cant say that the physics is wrong at all. Some of the best HHO youtubers don't claim 20% or more at all, but closer to 12%
"...but what if a person has results of fuel saving that is less then 20% but is still a saving....."
The issue is confidence in the test result, not just the test result. If a test shows an increase in 6%, one must place a low level of confidence that the device is responsible. The greater the percentage of MPG increase with the device on compared to the device off, the greater confidence on can assign that the results are due to the device.
I own a1993 Toyota Celica with 174,000 miles on the odometer. Driving at 60 mph I get, on a long hiway trip, 38 mpg, consistently. But, if I run the AC, my 500 watt stereo system, and drive at night with all lights on I only get 29 mpg, under the same driving conditions. That is almost a 25% change in mpg. Therefore, by just changing the load on the engine I can get
the 20% increase in mpg easily, without the cost, complexity, and voodoo of an HHO device. Nuff said.
On any one intake stoke of any cylinder in your engine, the amount of "HHO" ingested is essentially non-existent. That is a fact not up for debate. The remaining volume is filled with air, gasoline, hope, belief , dillusion, experimenter bias and ignorance. Mother nature says NO! ....and she means it.
Yes, they do, and the JREF produces proof every time they are asked to do so, by anyone. You can also write to their trust holder (one of the largest banking institutions in the world) and they will send the proof to you.
I can't tell Desertphile to change his Challenge. But I will.
You take his challenge as is, if the tests show a 16% increase in MPG then it gets with the HHO turned off then I will pay you the $1,000. that should about pay for the cost of testing.
That will show all your Skeptics that your not lying about your claim of 16% increase.
Interesting, and thank you. Even though I live far below the poverty line I have been thinking about offering a cash reward. Eric Krieg is going to restore his $1,000 prize. Have you talked with him?
Hey E......you have my respect, it is ridiculous indeed to get insulted like the way Desertphile is doing. I hope that he is man enough to understand that whatever he is trying to do that it isn't working and that people will ignore him when he continues his strange and rude behavior. Besides that, there are so many things happening in the world that he should be worried about, like banks falling over, people loosing their jobs etc. etc....
Of course, no one is going to take the challenge. Why would they? They know the products don't work. So either they are completely dilusional (which some of them indeed are) or, more commonly, just scammers trying to scam gullible people's money. HHO (or any variant thereof) do NOT work, and NEVER WILL work. Period. Desertphile is pretty safe from humiliation, by an overwhelming, crushing probability.
Can you prove what you just said bout HHO? Do you have the slightest idea of how an engine actually works? If you do, then you must know that only 10-20% of the fuel's chemical energy is converted to useful work. By adding the HHO you increase your car's efficiency.This is observable as: 1. noise reduction 2. vibration reduction 3. exhaust gas' awful smell reduction 4. temperature reduction 5. better throttle response 6. less fuel consumed Now, you can bitch along with this halfwit or make one.
WOW, Another intelligent response. At least I now know that you have a very good grasp on using foul languange to express your points. That always helps intelligent people respect your views don't you think? Why do you not bmake your points with out foul language?
Another real intelligent sane response. WOW I am gaining respect for you by the minute. Your language is very proper. Hope you feel good about yourself. I do.
First, you have also included my name improperly. I do not sell anything to anyone. I have not made any claims of huge MPG claims YET. Second Why would I care if you think HHO does not work. Third, You can not shovel enough horse shit to even begain to pay for my cell. I have more than your lousy $200.00 in just nuts, bolts, and hose clamps. I would not sell you my device for 10 times what nyour stupid $200.00 challenge offers. Step up to the real world and make a real challenge or shovel shit!
SoberKennedy (14 hours ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply | Spam it's proven by physics. no energy is stored in water other than thermal energy, which of course exists in everything above absolute zero.
"Hey Smack, DPs not deleting your posts, U-tubes F***king up."
Indeed I have not deleted anyone's comments, from any comment section of any videos of mine, for over a week--- none have been spam, and I only delete spam.
COME ON DESERT-PILE! Accept my terms and let me take your childish challenge! Stop talking and start DOING! So far your challenge has been a GHOST. Step up to the plate - I'm ready to go. All you have done is TALK. Try BUILDING something. Where is your supporting evidence??? I have submitted mine! Put your beliefs where your mouth is!!!!!! I did.
"Accept my terms and let me take your childish challenge! "
You may take my challenge any time that is mutually workable. Send email stating when you can get to Albuquerque with your vehicle and we will test it. Are you now claiming it qualifies?
False. Since YOU bear the burden of proof, I will make the rules. I already submitted my proof to the world. I am under no obligation to submit to you. I am The Smack. I make the rules, you have no choice in the matter.
You Must Be A Very Lonely Guy Shovelling Horse Shit All Day. Then Trying To Have A Very Intelligent Conversation With Guys That Spend A Lot Of Time And Money Doing Something Constructive. If You Think It Doesn't Work Good For You. Then Leave Us Unintelligent People To Get On With The This Dead End Stuff. But Because You Are Lonely Doesn't Mean You Have To Bug Us. Instead Of "DesertPhile" How About Web Stalker This Is More The Role I See You In.
For any HHO enthusiasts still reading this, though.. please, DO take this challenge. I want to see one of these devices put to an impartial test.
You need to understand that this isn't an attack. It's the way science is done. You don't just try to structure tests specifically so they give the result you want. They need to be tough, they need to be able to tell you your stuff isn't working.
They actually expect YOU to go out of your way and travel to THEM so that yOU can disprove THIER hypothesis.
I'd need a REALLY fucking good reason to travel to the other side of Melbourne to meet another Youtuber I actually KNEW/LIKED. I wouldn't walk next door to disprove a Creationist.
DP, I'm gather you're on the same page but I have to say this anyway.. you'd never have gotten this to work with eletrikride. I started off thinking he was honestly trying to present a coherent argument. But then I saw how he worked. He altered his argument to try to rationalize away the skeptical questions. He didn't even remember stories he cited on his web page as evidence of his claims. And now he doesn't understand a video he referred me to for evidence.
Howdy. Yeah, I suspect 'eletrikride' isn't all "there" mentally: his behavior isn't that of a rational adult. He is now insisting I have been deleting his comments; he also insist he has taken my challenge. The boy just ain't right in the head.
Liar! You know you have manipulated your false challenge just to purposefully start a you tube fight agenda. I keep trying to accpet your challenge, but you refuse to accept my terms: 16% - not 20%. I do not claim my Olds get 20% - so you have to lower the target to 16% in order for me to take the test. PERIOD. You HAVE deleted some of my comments - WHY??? And the only "boy" here is you - shooting out insults and vulgar language UNPROVOKED.
It has remained the same, that is not my accusation. My accusation is this whole thing has been a setup from the beginning. No one will EVER win this challenge. You will make sure of that. You will come up with any excuse to disqualify. i have done my homework and know all about your plan, ranchhand.
EletrikRide (Smack) said, "I keep trying to accpet your challenge, but you refuse to accept my terms: 16% - not 20%"
You lying Asshole, I lowered the $1,000. prize (just for you) down to the 16% that you have been bitching about. And what happened, More Excuses, More lies.
You never intended to take the challenge, Your just trying to make your self a Big Shot and blame others for your lies.
You and your HHO Crap is just a SCAM and You Know It.
So, "EletrikRide" is still acting like Uri Geller and Sylvia Brown--- pretending to throw temper tantrums when someone suggests he produce evidence for his claims. Well, I always said he and his peers were cult nuts.
DesertPhile. I loved your Uri Geller and Sylvia Brown comparison! So fitting for these anti-scientists who use scientific-sounding terms to bolster their claims while rejecting scientific rigor. Keep it up !
False, you hypocryte. You alter the argument to fit your agenda. We both know why I cant take the challenge - Your mentor refuses to accpt my terms. remember, I make the rules, since the burden of proof no longer lies with me. I came with my evidence already.
You said, in writing, several times, that you will not take my challenge because your device(s) does not/do not qualify. Fine: I have zero problem with that.
OK, but this challenge is DIRECTED AT ME. You screencopied my posts, and my name is first on your tag list. You force me to respond and defend my work, knowing I only post 16%. That's the scam you concocted. Smack cant be fooled.
"That must be why my name is at the top of your tag list...."
The YouTube video search at the time listed you as having the latest video with "HHO" in its tags, idiot child; your youtube channel name therefore went first in my tag list.
LOL! and you call us cultists??? That's funny. Now that you cannot back your claims, you are looking to attack me from a faith based perspective??? Nice. Watch my videos and you will find out what my faith is based upon. Otherwise, give it up and stick to the topic.
You have claimed in writing that HHO technology does not work. You also claim we are cultists and retards. This is publicly displayed in your vids and comments.
If you have no problem with that, stop calling me a liar, cultist, retard, etc. Remove all references of me in your videos and comments ans I will leave you alone. Admit that in this case, you cannot claim my device or this technology does not work.
it's proven by physics. no energy is stored in water other than thermal energy, which of course exists in everything above absolute zero. the energy you get out of hydrogen can only be equal to or less than the energy you put into it--therefore, your device cannot work. it just puts a load on your alternator which in turn puts a load on your engine.
The thing you are missing is that this is not about energy in =energy out. No laws of thermodynamics are violated. The gains from HHO are realized because of the INCREASED combustion burn efficiency - not getting more out than you put in. HHO burns the fuel charge more completely. That is where the gains are seen.
SHOW ME THE PROOF! every legitimate test done on these hho boosters shows that they do not increase fuel economy. also, hydrogen is the most reactive element in the universe. the only way you'd be able to keep it in its pure form before it reaches the combustion chamber of the engine is to keep it in a vacuum. the only thing you will do if you introduce hydrogen into the fuel-air mixture before the point of ignition is introduce water vapor into the fuel-air mixture.
INCREASED combustion, HHO burns the fuel more completely, burns hotter, or burns cooler, or how about this one, HHO does not Explode, it Implodes. It is all bullshit found on HHO Peddlers web sites. Oh I forgot one, It eliminates pollution from the exhaust. One even claimed you could breath the exhaust, I wish he would.
Bottom line, there is no Real Proof that these devices can improve MPG, not 16% not 10%. I have seen no Real Proof they can improve MPG any at all.
Because the criminals selling the scam know that "run your car on water!" advertizing for the same sells to ignorant rubes. They can point to the Space Shuttle and other spacecraft that split water in to reactive volatiles and back again to drinking water and say, "See! Our fraud is used by real scientists!" Hydrogen burns with oxygen and a spark, but the production of hydrogen costs more in fuel efficiency than is derived from burning it, ergo it's a scam and a fraud.
"Because the criminals selling the scam know that "run your car on water!" advertizing for the same sells to ignorant rubes"
The thing is I thought this guy was more sophisticated then that. I thought he may have tricked himself into thinking his device worked, and had an attempt at understanding it.
Then I saw him claim that he wanted to make a car that, literally, runs on water, on his website. He was asking for donations for that effort.
The con has a historical prototype. Back in the '70s gas crunch, guys were trying all kinds of crap. Some died. Con men picked up their ideas, said that OPEC had killed them, then sold the non-functional junk, often claiming to give the money to charity. I have some of the crap myself.
Well, a few years ago, a guy invented a hydro-splitter for his welder. He thought he had re-invented sliced bread, and was screwing around with his toys, when he died. Same bullshit, different players. Get it?
Hey i may consider sponsoring such tests if the "inventor" would sign a legal document allowing me to sodomize the "inventor" with a 32oz bottle of wallmart brand root beer in the event that hes device should fail the test.
Your "F-tards" description is indeed the correct one, because only "F-tards" would waste their own, or another "F-tard's", monetary resources attempting to 'efficiently' produce HHO using a fuel they have already paid taxes on !
Besides; any car with such equipment fitted has not passed enviromental tests = illegal = driving without insurance (= in UK- lose vehicle )
I was just thinking about how much better the water car system would work if they only used the Reverend Poppov's Miracle Spring Water! That stuff could possibly make Fords fly!!
So Dp can I set this up on just the oxygen side of the electrolysis, and of course mess with the MAP or other.. LOL One way to play folks with this is to take a car with a clogged air filter and then use the oxygen side of the game.
I have played with such devices in the past. They never do as claimed. Yet the normal air used in combustion is some were around 21 percent, so added oxygen will assist. It is the only method of accounting for an break even process, or very slight gain.
You made a good point about the language. For someone to offer all those videos for entertainment, etc, and not expect a dime from youtube or personal donations in return I think your doing a good job in your videos. Just curious, how many more videos you got planned for the water car challenge? I am quite suprised you are not a youtube partner with all those videos and consistency in added new ones. Not implying that you would want to be..
These rightarded idiots making the claims have no excuse. If they complain about the expense, why don't they sell their device to developers and they would be billionares?
Because they're crooks, trying to rook and swindle rubes.
personally, i think they need to make some type of new fuel that, when placed in the fuel tank, melts the entire car down into a giant glob of cowshit.
"personally, i think they need to make some type of new fuel that, when placed in the fuel tank, melts the entire car down into a giant glob of cowshit"
They got that already! They put a decal on every one. "FORD"
I also have one that runs on magnets, but for that one I have constantly buy new magnets after the charge gets used up. Mostly I use refrigerator magnets but I also recycle magnets from hard drives when I can get them.
crazy people who will deny and deny until they are dead. they need to get over it and realize that these devices are fake. The funny thing is if we found a device that actually worked i think we would all be jumping at it who doesn't want to have their mpg increased.
Listen up DP... While you are at it, I want you to drive 1500 miles to come here and prove to me that the gods don't exist and that Santa Clause is a myth. I want you to prove to me that the easter bunny is a farce and that leprechans don't hold a pot of gold. You spend your time and money to come here and prove all that to me will ya?
I's sure there is a county fair near your area , just because you cant afford to go and see the ride's , that must mean they are fake bullshit right , cause they cant go to your house and set up a ride to show you it works .
Completely false comparison. Maybe I can't go and see the rides, but the way they work is already scientifically understood and accepted. Not to mention the fact that any people who could afford to go will witness them working.
And being " accepted" . Things are accepted AFTER there is a working model , then someone goes and figures out everything to make th equation work out right .
Firstly, this argument is kind of pointless. There are hundreds of places around the country where you could get your device tested, and if you don't want to do that, don't expect people to believe you. End of.
Secondly, you have a very strange idea of science. 'Someone goes and figures out everything out to make the equation work right' makes no sense.
So if you live in a remote area , some how the selller is suppose to pay to come to your house and show how it works . Call the company that sell's , lets just say a new 3/4 ton trucks , then tell them you dont beleive the truck works untill they bring one to your house to show how it works . Come on man , they are telling you that there are FREE PUBLIC display's , you just need to get your ass to a function and check out what they have .
It's simpler to me than even that. Go to a reputable university or testing lab and have them do the analysis. Have them write a paper on the subject with legally binding wording that the testing was performed with all due naturalistic methodology (the Scientific Method). That would be sufficient proof for me to then try and duplicate their test. On success on both tests, I will get behind them and shout it to the world.
What the fuck? You can't fucking swear over the fucking internet, it's fucking rude you fucker.
... Okay, but seriously, we all knew no one would take the challenge and that they would find ways to worm out of it. If their devices worked driving to you would be extra proof that they work.
In other words, they need to shit or get off the pot.
"Just an observation that backs your assertion that this is a cult."
Believers in this claptrap certainly have strong, idiot religious beliefs, yep.
Remember when it used to be claimed that OPEC was hiding the truth from people? Now thanks to the Internet even that fucking lame excuse no longer can be made.
I have added 11 people of various sizes, armed with heavy face paint, big shoes and bicycle horns, to my car and it has increased my MPG by nearly 17%
How can you be sure that the MPG increase is not because of the lost weight due to all of the doors and panels falling off your clown car in the typical hillariously farcical fashion?
Are you all insane?! In 1953 a scientist patented an on board hydrogen seperator that ran a common car on 100% pure water with no need of gasoline and the U.S. special interest who pull the strings of the govt had laws witten that deemed Hydrogen to dangerous for the consumer to be trusted with putting in their cars so the good idea was blocked on that lie and now idiots like this desertpedaphile dude says hho doesnt exist just to get attention and you all give it to him? What a bunch of loosers
VonBraun87545 1 year ago
@VonBraun87545 ; Keep your homosexual fantasies off my channel.
Desertphile 1 year ago
@Desertphile ur the ugliest and stupidest piece of shit old man ever. get a fucking job you poor ass slut
elijhawins 6 months ago
Respond to this video... This guy isnt sain... he belongs in a fucking handy tard home... he cant even speak properly
elijhawins 6 months ago
You don't have a clue of how "TheReal World Works"
24hosting 1 year ago
Take my challenge, clown.
Desertphile 1 year ago
desertphile huh? sounds alot like pedophile. And this dude looks like a pedophile too. I have been to the state pen years ago for beatin the shit out of my brotherinlaw with a baseball bat for breakin my sisters noise and arm. I seen this guys type in there. Same whinny-assed attitude. Little half bald boney armed little dude like him would be somebodies bitch in the pen. Just seeing this dude makes me want to bitch slap him.whinny voice..lift some weights dude! Get your nuts lowered or somethin
waterwart 2 years ago
Keep your homosexual fantasies off my channel.
Desertphile 2 years ago
STFU STUPID ASS
BattleClones 2 years ago
How are you going to make me, shit-for-brains? Go away.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Let me guess, the challenge that was accepted/not accepted must have been from that turd the "Smack" He should be called the "Spank" as in spanking it.
knineu02 2 years ago
This is lame. I agree that those who claim massive fuel efficiency increase with a minimal HHO per minute gas production need to be chastised, but what if a person has results of fuel saving that is less then 20% but is still a saving, what then? you cant say that the physics is wrong at all. Some of the best HHO youtubers don't claim 20% or more at all, but closer to 12%
BespokeGroupUK 2 years ago
"...but what if a person has results of fuel saving that is less then 20% but is still a saving....."
The issue is confidence in the test result, not just the test result. If a test shows an increase in 6%, one must place a low level of confidence that the device is responsible. The greater the percentage of MPG increase with the device on compared to the device off, the greater confidence on can assign that the results are due to the device.
Desertphile 2 years ago
When ever you find someone to take this challenge, please document it well. Preferably in video form
AlyxanderWilliams 2 years ago
I own a1993 Toyota Celica with 174,000 miles on the odometer. Driving at 60 mph I get, on a long hiway trip, 38 mpg, consistently. But, if I run the AC, my 500 watt stereo system, and drive at night with all lights on I only get 29 mpg, under the same driving conditions. That is almost a 25% change in mpg. Therefore, by just changing the load on the engine I can get
the 20% increase in mpg easily, without the cost, complexity, and voodoo of an HHO device. Nuff said.
4G3NTanon 2 years ago 2
Why I do NOT have an HHO device on my Vehicle .
It takes about 20 amps of current to produce 2 liters per min. of HHO.
My vehicle cruising at 2,000 RPM uses about 2,000 liters of air/fuel mix every minute. That is 2 parts HHO to 2,000 parts of air/fuel.
That reduced down is.....
1/10th of 1% or One part HHO to 1,000 parts of air/fuel.
Now logic and common sense should tell you that is not going to make any difference in MPG.
Now you have to subtract the power it took to make the HHO.
noimw 2 years ago
On any one intake stoke of any cylinder in your engine, the amount of "HHO" ingested is essentially non-existent. That is a fact not up for debate. The remaining volume is filled with air, gasoline, hope, belief , dillusion, experimenter bias and ignorance. Mother nature says NO! ....and she means it.
arachnipope 2 years ago
do you think its possible to turn on a car with HHO only
skylover7 2 years ago
Primitive.
denmason 2 years ago
nice hat
water2gashawaii 2 years ago
Because they don't have a million dollars
water2gashawaii 2 years ago
"Because they don't have a million dollars"
Yes, they do, and the JREF produces proof every time they are asked to do so, by anyone. You can also write to their trust holder (one of the largest banking institutions in the world) and they will send the proof to you.
Step up and take the JREF challenge.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Below is a copy of a reply to EletrikRide I made on the video,
Correcting "Desertphile's" hypocrytical behavior!!! (1):
I can't tell Desertphile to change his Challenge. But I will.
You take his challenge as is, if the tests show a 16% increase in MPG then it gets with the HHO turned off then I will pay you the $1,000. that should about pay for the cost of testing.
That will show all your Skeptics that your not lying about your claim of 16% increase.
Are you going to put up, Or shut up ?
noimw 2 years ago
Interesting, and thank you. Even though I live far below the poverty line I have been thinking about offering a cash reward. Eric Krieg is going to restore his $1,000 prize. Have you talked with him?
Desertphile 2 years ago
I did not know about Eric Krieg. Cool, that makes $2,000.00
I got a not so surprising reply from EletrikRide.
"Now what? Some how it's my job to take up every challenge by every skeptic across the country? Not gonna happen."
He has told so many lies, even he can't keep the straight.
His number one lie is "I never lie".
I knew he would not take the challenge, even after he said he would in his video. Need a calculator to keep track of all the lies.
noimw 2 years ago
Dude, you are one hell of an annoying putz
bigt5631 2 years ago
haaa, yeah, you're weak
kdkinen 2 years ago
Stan Meyers, killed in 1985 for the water car he built
LA to NY on 22 gallons of water
Faraday has even proven hho as efficient as 85 %
just make some of your own HYDROGEN party balloons...
...that'll make you a believer
kdkinen 2 years ago
Stan Meyers was a ignorant clown and so are you.
mrbadguysan 2 years ago
"Faraday has even proven hho as efficient as 85 %"
You mean at best it wastes 15%.
Idiot.
Desertphile 2 years ago
ever seen an hho torch?
--does it run on imagination?
kdkinen 2 years ago
watch?v=dSJNXharUng
demios99 2 years ago
Hey E......you have my respect, it is ridiculous indeed to get insulted like the way Desertphile is doing. I hope that he is man enough to understand that whatever he is trying to do that it isn't working and that people will ignore him when he continues his strange and rude behavior. Besides that, there are so many things happening in the world that he should be worried about, like banks falling over, people loosing their jobs etc. etc....
bowmancell17 2 years ago
##it is ridiculous indeed to get insulted like the way Desertphile is doing.###
Take his challange, idiot.
menotfree 2 years ago 2
Of course, no one is going to take the challenge. Why would they? They know the products don't work. So either they are completely dilusional (which some of them indeed are) or, more commonly, just scammers trying to scam gullible people's money. HHO (or any variant thereof) do NOT work, and NEVER WILL work. Period. Desertphile is pretty safe from humiliation, by an overwhelming, crushing probability.
dahitmann 2 years ago 2
demios99 2 years ago
I have very little respect for small things and people who can not make an intelligent point.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
You'd think with the excellent fuel economy they're reportedly getting, they'd have no problem driving to you :p.
darkmojojojo 2 years ago 2
WOW, Another intelligent response. At least I now know that you have a very good grasp on using foul languange to express your points. That always helps intelligent people respect your views don't you think? Why do you not bmake your points with out foul language?
HHOPWR 2 years ago
Another real intelligent sane response. WOW I am gaining respect for you by the minute. Your language is very proper. Hope you feel good about yourself. I do.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
WOW, A very intellegent reply. At least I know you are a loser. But that goes without saying.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
First, you have also included my name improperly. I do not sell anything to anyone. I have not made any claims of huge MPG claims YET. Second Why would I care if you think HHO does not work. Third, You can not shovel enough horse shit to even begain to pay for my cell. I have more than your lousy $200.00 in just nuts, bolts, and hose clamps. I would not sell you my device for 10 times what nyour stupid $200.00 challenge offers. Step up to the real world and make a real challenge or shovel shit!
HHOPWR 2 years ago
SoberKennedy (14 hours ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply | Spam it's proven by physics. no energy is stored in water other than thermal energy, which of course exists in everything above absolute zero.
hho=fail
You lost me at " Sober Kennedy !"
hah ha ha sober kennedy,, lol
Davehho1 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
See my site for EVIDENCE of reduced emissions as well as increased mileage. PROOF. EVIDENCE. See for yourself.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
Prove that I have lied or defrauded anyone anywhere at anytime....
EletrikRide 2 years ago
EletrikRide says he does not lie.
Watching his videos, I would need a calculator to total up all the lies he tells.
He makes sure no one can comment about how he has defrauded them.
All of his videos has the comments subject to HIS approval. If he don't like what someone has to say, he makes sure no one else sees the comment.
EletrikeRide is a coward. He dishes it out but he can't take it.
noimw 2 years ago 2
hey...is your hair real or wig? I am confused. I can't concentrate on what you are saying until my confusion is cleared.
whoozie12 2 years ago 2
Hey Smack, DPs not deleting your posts, U-tubes F***king up.
Davehho1 2 years ago 2
"Hey Smack, DPs not deleting your posts, U-tubes F***king up."
Indeed I have not deleted anyone's comments, from any comment section of any videos of mine, for over a week--- none have been spam, and I only delete spam.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Fair enough then. Lets just assume you are telling the truth.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
Well, that might explain it. All I know, is some of my posts never show up.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
COME ON DESERT-PILE! Accept my terms and let me take your childish challenge! Stop talking and start DOING! So far your challenge has been a GHOST. Step up to the plate - I'm ready to go. All you have done is TALK. Try BUILDING something. Where is your supporting evidence??? I have submitted mine! Put your beliefs where your mouth is!!!!!! I did.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"Accept my terms and let me take your childish challenge! "
You may take my challenge any time that is mutually workable. Send email stating when you can get to Albuquerque with your vehicle and we will test it. Are you now claiming it qualifies?
Desertphile 2 years ago
You know my terms. You refuse to comply. therefore you are not ready to back up your claim that HHO does not work.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"You know my terms. You refuse to comply."
My challenge: my rules. I say what goes.
Desertphile 2 years ago
False. Since YOU bear the burden of proof, I will make the rules. I already submitted my proof to the world. I am under no obligation to submit to you. I am The Smack. I make the rules, you have no choice in the matter.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"Since YOU bear the burden of proof....."
Hope: you cult retards do.
Desertphile 2 years ago
You Must Be A Very Lonely Guy Shovelling Horse Shit All Day. Then Trying To Have A Very Intelligent Conversation With Guys That Spend A Lot Of Time And Money Doing Something Constructive. If You Think It Doesn't Work Good For You. Then Leave Us Unintelligent People To Get On With The This Dead End Stuff. But Because You Are Lonely Doesn't Mean You Have To Bug Us. Instead Of "DesertPhile" How About Web Stalker This Is More The Role I See You In.
Hypowergen 2 years ago
You Really Are "Unintelligent" If You Capitalize The First Letter Of Every Word Like This You Idiotic Scumbag.
Thank you, this has been a test of the use-idiocy-on-idiots system.
RotaryJunkie 2 years ago
Sorry, this is not the case.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
For any HHO enthusiasts still reading this, though.. please, DO take this challenge. I want to see one of these devices put to an impartial test.
You need to understand that this isn't an attack. It's the way science is done. You don't just try to structure tests specifically so they give the result you want. They need to be tough, they need to be able to tell you your stuff isn't working.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
water cant run a car or help in its performance. tersse endorces this video
tersse 2 years ago
They actually expect YOU to go out of your way and travel to THEM so that yOU can disprove THIER hypothesis.
I'd need a REALLY fucking good reason to travel to the other side of Melbourne to meet another Youtuber I actually KNEW/LIKED. I wouldn't walk next door to disprove a Creationist.
dechha1981 2 years ago 3
"They actually expect YOU to go out of your way and travel to THEM so that YOU can disprove THEIR hypothesis."
Amazing, but true. As if I bear the burden of proof.
"I wouldn't walk next door to disprove a Creationist."
What about to piss on one?
Desertphile 2 years ago
If the toilet was broken, maybe.
dechha1981 2 years ago 2
DP, I'm gather you're on the same page but I have to say this anyway.. you'd never have gotten this to work with eletrikride. I started off thinking he was honestly trying to present a coherent argument. But then I saw how he worked. He altered his argument to try to rationalize away the skeptical questions. He didn't even remember stories he cited on his web page as evidence of his claims. And now he doesn't understand a video he referred me to for evidence.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago 3
Howdy. Yeah, I suspect 'eletrikride' isn't all "there" mentally: his behavior isn't that of a rational adult. He is now insisting I have been deleting his comments; he also insist he has taken my challenge. The boy just ain't right in the head.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Liar! You know you have manipulated your false challenge just to purposefully start a you tube fight agenda. I keep trying to accpet your challenge, but you refuse to accept my terms: 16% - not 20%. I do not claim my Olds get 20% - so you have to lower the target to 16% in order for me to take the test. PERIOD. You HAVE deleted some of my comments - WHY??? And the only "boy" here is you - shooting out insults and vulgar language UNPROVOKED.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"You know you have manipulated your false challenge just to purposefully start a you tube fight agenda."
My challenge has remained exactly as it was over a month ago when I made the web page.
Desertphile 2 years ago
It has remained the same, that is not my accusation. My accusation is this whole thing has been a setup from the beginning. No one will EVER win this challenge. You will make sure of that. You will come up with any excuse to disqualify. i have done my homework and know all about your plan, ranchhand.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
EletrikRide (Smack) said, "I keep trying to accpet your challenge, but you refuse to accept my terms: 16% - not 20%"
You lying Asshole, I lowered the $1,000. prize (just for you) down to the 16% that you have been bitching about. And what happened, More Excuses, More lies.
You never intended to take the challenge, Your just trying to make your self a Big Shot and blame others for your lies.
You and your HHO Crap is just a SCAM and You Know It.
## Your just a smaller version of Dennis Lee. ##
noimw 2 years ago
"You and your HHO Crap is just a SCAM and You Know It."
Maybe I can get "EletrikRide" to have his device tested in Philadelphia
Desertphile 2 years ago
"EletrikRide" would not have a vehicle tested if you offered to do it at his house.
Because he knows it would show a reduction in MPG with HHO.
I got 9 replies from him overnight just from the 1 comment above. In one he said,
"I will NEVER take any challenge you issue, because you are a HATER and cannot be trusted." The rest he just called me more names.
I think my job is about done. Anyone reading his rants should change their mind about buying into his HHO Scam. Let's Hope.
noimw 2 years ago
So, "EletrikRide" is still acting like Uri Geller and Sylvia Brown--- pretending to throw temper tantrums when someone suggests he produce evidence for his claims. Well, I always said he and his peers were cult nuts.
Desertphile 2 years ago
DesertPhile. I loved your Uri Geller and Sylvia Brown comparison! So fitting for these anti-scientists who use scientific-sounding terms to bolster their claims while rejecting scientific rigor. Keep it up !
arachnipope 2 years ago
Maybe I can get "EletrikRide" to have his device tested in Philadelphia
(Know that is the smart way to do it not to start a fight)
bowmancell17 2 years ago
Now not know LOL
bowmancell17 2 years ago
False, you hypocryte. You alter the argument to fit your agenda. We both know why I cant take the challenge - Your mentor refuses to accpt my terms. remember, I make the rules, since the burden of proof no longer lies with me. I came with my evidence already.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"We both know why I cant take the challenge"
You said, in writing, several times, that you will not take my challenge because your device(s) does not/do not qualify. Fine: I have zero problem with that.
Desertphile 2 years ago
OK, but this challenge is DIRECTED AT ME. You screencopied my posts, and my name is first on your tag list. You force me to respond and defend my work, knowing I only post 16%. That's the scam you concocted. Smack cant be fooled.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"OK, but this challenge is DIRECTED AT ME."
No, child, it is not. The challenge has existed much longer than I've ever seen you and your false claims on YouTube.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Really, sewer mouth? That must be why my name is at the top of your tag list then? You lying sack of crap.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"That must be why my name is at the top of your tag list...."
The YouTube video search at the time listed you as having the latest video with "HHO" in its tags, idiot child; your youtube channel name therefore went first in my tag list.
By the way: are you a Scientology customer?
Desertphile 2 years ago
LOL! and you call us cultists??? That's funny. Now that you cannot back your claims, you are looking to attack me from a faith based perspective??? Nice. Watch my videos and you will find out what my faith is based upon. Otherwise, give it up and stick to the topic.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
"Now that you cannot back your claims....."
Okay, I give up: what claims have I made?
Desertphile 2 years ago
You have claimed in writing that HHO technology does not work. You also claim we are cultists and retards. This is publicly displayed in your vids and comments.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
OK. Then please remove your screenshots of my posts from your vids and remove my name from your tags and I will go away.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
Then plaese remove all references to me in your videos and I will go away.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
If you have no problem with that, stop calling me a liar, cultist, retard, etc. Remove all references of me in your videos and comments ans I will leave you alone. Admit that in this case, you cannot claim my device or this technology does not work.
EletrikRide 2 years ago
it's proven by physics. no energy is stored in water other than thermal energy, which of course exists in everything above absolute zero. the energy you get out of hydrogen can only be equal to or less than the energy you put into it--therefore, your device cannot work. it just puts a load on your alternator which in turn puts a load on your engine.
hho=fail
SoberKennedy 2 years ago 3
The thing you are missing is that this is not about energy in =energy out. No laws of thermodynamics are violated. The gains from HHO are realized because of the INCREASED combustion burn efficiency - not getting more out than you put in. HHO burns the fuel charge more completely. That is where the gains are seen.
HHO = pass
EletrikRide 2 years ago
SHOW ME THE PROOF! every legitimate test done on these hho boosters shows that they do not increase fuel economy. also, hydrogen is the most reactive element in the universe. the only way you'd be able to keep it in its pure form before it reaches the combustion chamber of the engine is to keep it in a vacuum. the only thing you will do if you introduce hydrogen into the fuel-air mixture before the point of ignition is introduce water vapor into the fuel-air mixture.
SoberKennedy 2 years ago 4
INCREASED combustion, HHO burns the fuel more completely, burns hotter, or burns cooler, or how about this one, HHO does not Explode, it Implodes. It is all bullshit found on HHO Peddlers web sites. Oh I forgot one, It eliminates pollution from the exhaust. One even claimed you could breath the exhaust, I wish he would.
Bottom line, there is no Real Proof that these devices can improve MPG, not 16% not 10%. I have seen no Real Proof they can improve MPG any at all.
noimw 2 years ago
"I have seen no Real Proof they can improve MPG any at all."
Indeed I would love to see valid evidence of such a thing, and so would every government in the world.
Desertphile 2 years ago
You are a lying cultist retard, your device does not work. HHO is a scam!!!
brokensoul70 2 years ago 5
Hey nice hat!
MadSmokerBBQ 2 years ago
LOL! poor clowns, they're getting a bad rep' of this!
But when you say "fucktard wankers" I'm entierly fine with it! Epic win DP!
Paxmax 2 years ago
Dear desert man, what exactly is the concept behind these dubious devices ?
I just don't get it.
How could anyone think they would work ?
Adding hydrogen ?
Why the bubbles, for visual effect ? Looks like something out of a sci fi movie.
Good videos !
faunflynn 2 years ago
"Adding hydrogen?"
Because the criminals selling the scam know that "run your car on water!" advertizing for the same sells to ignorant rubes. They can point to the Space Shuttle and other spacecraft that split water in to reactive volatiles and back again to drinking water and say, "See! Our fraud is used by real scientists!" Hydrogen burns with oxygen and a spark, but the production of hydrogen costs more in fuel efficiency than is derived from burning it, ergo it's a scam and a fraud.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
So there is 2 lots of lies involved here.
And traducing the good name of NASA.
They really are low, and either deluded or crooks.
Thanx !
faunflynn 2 years ago
"Because the criminals selling the scam know that "run your car on water!" advertizing for the same sells to ignorant rubes"
The thing is I thought this guy was more sophisticated then that. I thought he may have tricked himself into thinking his device worked, and had an attempt at understanding it.
Then I saw him claim that he wanted to make a car that, literally, runs on water, on his website. He was asking for donations for that effort.
Ye gods.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago 2
The con has a historical prototype. Back in the '70s gas crunch, guys were trying all kinds of crap. Some died. Con men picked up their ideas, said that OPEC had killed them, then sold the non-functional junk, often claiming to give the money to charity. I have some of the crap myself.
Well, a few years ago, a guy invented a hydro-splitter for his welder. He thought he had re-invented sliced bread, and was screwing around with his toys, when he died. Same bullshit, different players. Get it?
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
Thanks, I get it now !
faunflynn 2 years ago
Hey i may consider sponsoring such tests if the "inventor" would sign a legal document allowing me to sodomize the "inventor" with a 32oz bottle of wallmart brand root beer in the event that hes device should fail the test.
ProAudioFanatic 2 years ago
"to sodomize the "inventor" with a 32oz bottle of wallmart brand root beer"
You can get that done for $20 in Las Vegas. Free in Hollywood.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
Hey Desertphile - !!! Complaint !!!
PLEASE STOP USING WORDS INCORRECTLY.
Real *CLOWNS* are skilled entertainers.
Your "F-tards" description is indeed the correct one, because only "F-tards" would waste their own, or another "F-tard's", monetary resources attempting to 'efficiently' produce HHO using a fuel they have already paid taxes on !
Besides; any car with such equipment fitted has not passed enviromental tests = illegal = driving without insurance (= in UK- lose vehicle )
z1zaz 2 years ago
"Real *CLOWNS* are skilled entertainers"
Hey Mo! Hand me that wrench!
Quit it, numbskulls, we got to fix this leak!
Nyuck nyuck.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
The Stooges rule. : D
phenixwryter 2 years ago
I was just thinking about how much better the water car system would work if they only used the Reverend Poppov's Miracle Spring Water! That stuff could possibly make Fords fly!!
Green4321 2 years ago
why dont you state that they must pay for transportation. and if their watter majiggy works. you will reimburse them for travel ONTOP of the reward.
because you seem pretty confident about this.
Phibins 2 years ago
You guys gotta use aged Goat urine, water doesn't work Trust me!!!
that may be why they don't take the challenge we all know water doesn't work only aged Goat urine works DUH!!!
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago 2
"that may be why they don't take the challenge we all know water doesn't work only aged Goat urine works DUH!!!"
And the Goat Urine must be blessed by the Catholic Pope first.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago 2
LOL ya don't these people know simple physics their motors can only run efficiently on pope blessed aged Goat urine =D
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
So Dp can I set this up on just the oxygen side of the electrolysis, and of course mess with the MAP or other.. LOL One way to play folks with this is to take a car with a clogged air filter and then use the oxygen side of the game.
I have played with such devices in the past. They never do as claimed. Yet the normal air used in combustion is some were around 21 percent, so added oxygen will assist. It is the only method of accounting for an break even process, or very slight gain.
lost10x 2 years ago
yay, for Sadism!
werewolfchewtoy 2 years ago
I also like "fucktards" - keep delivering the news!!!
aogilmor 2 years ago
I have a car that runs solely on the heat-stroked brain-fumes of creationists and free energy cultists.
Relyt22 2 years ago
HOAX!!!!!!
no brains to get fumes from!!
manan0nim0us4 2 years ago 2
You made a good point about the language. For someone to offer all those videos for entertainment, etc, and not expect a dime from youtube or personal donations in return I think your doing a good job in your videos. Just curious, how many more videos you got planned for the water car challenge? I am quite suprised you are not a youtube partner with all those videos and consistency in added new ones. Not implying that you would want to be..
luc59457 2 years ago
Make it so that if their devices dont work then they have to pay for your travel to them.
aaron3299 2 years ago
the "Fucking Challenge"...
now THAT'S a challenge i would take
325982668 2 years ago
These rightarded idiots making the claims have no excuse. If they complain about the expense, why don't they sell their device to developers and they would be billionares?
Because they're crooks, trying to rook and swindle rubes.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
those fatheads need to drive their dern majik car over to your place and tear up the range.
floydstinkyboy 2 years ago
personally, i think they need to make some type of new fuel that, when placed in the fuel tank, melts the entire car down into a giant glob of cowshit.
floydstinkyboy 2 years ago 2
"personally, i think they need to make some type of new fuel that, when placed in the fuel tank, melts the entire car down into a giant glob of cowshit"
They got that already! They put a decal on every one. "FORD"
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
You're my favorite YouTuber! Somebody has to keep these clowns fucking honest. Too bad most people are stupid enough to fall for this shit.
winstonsmith00 2 years ago 3
I have a car that runs only on water, but I won't tell anyone how it works because its mine! Screw everyone else!
wwickeddogg 2 years ago 2
"I have a car that runs only on water, but I won't tell anyone how it works because its mine!"
I know who the Real Killer is, but I won't tell O. J. Simpson or anyone else because I'm a stinker.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
Oh? I have a steam engine too.
I don't tell anybody how it works either,
because kids aren't taught that language in school anymore.
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
Hey, I've got that same hat! I'm going to send you a video to prove it.
redchango 2 years ago
I'm not gay, but it does look pretty good on you, though.
redchango 2 years ago
"I'm not gay, but it does look pretty good on you, though"
I always laugh when I read "I'm not gay but..." }:-}
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
*chuckle* Did you see rednecktrucker's story about the guy who said he was 100% strait,
50% of the time?
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
I also have one that runs on magnets, but for that one I have constantly buy new magnets after the charge gets used up. Mostly I use refrigerator magnets but I also recycle magnets from hard drives when I can get them.
wwickeddogg 2 years ago
"50% of the time?"
LOL! No, I never have. I don't know what a "red neck trucker" is anyway. }:-}
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
Me too... that's why I like to say those kinds of things. That, and I don't want to be mistaken as being gay in this culture.
redchango 2 years ago
crazy people who will deny and deny until they are dead. they need to get over it and realize that these devices are fake. The funny thing is if we found a device that actually worked i think we would all be jumping at it who doesn't want to have their mpg increased.
Natovs 2 years ago
"The funny thing is if we found a device that actually worked i think we would all be jumping at it who doesn't want to have their mpg increased."
Automotive manufacturers would incorporate it in to their vehicles anyway, it wouldn't have to be something added on.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
Sure they would. They have a deadline to meet to make more efficient cars...
mobiltec 2 years ago
I bet William Shatner is kin to you in some way DP.. you 2 talk just alike..
DiggityDave83 2 years ago
Listen up DP... While you are at it, I want you to drive 1500 miles to come here and prove to me that the gods don't exist and that Santa Clause is a myth. I want you to prove to me that the easter bunny is a farce and that leprechans don't hold a pot of gold. You spend your time and money to come here and prove all that to me will ya?
mobiltec 2 years ago
I'm still working on my burrito/methane device but I need some volunteers to test the methane collection apparatus.
keithrockerboblewis 2 years ago
I'm all over that technology, sounds like a plentiful fuel source.
mikethebiped 2 years ago
"but I need some volunteers to test the methane collection apparatus"
Only one question: Does it hurt? And are they vegetarian burritos?
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
"Does it hurt?"
Quite probably, but I don't know yet. I'm not going to be the first.
keithrockerboblewis 2 years ago
If I were you, I would have said that if I were them, I would take the challenge so fast, it would make my head spin.
Nevermind, it's already spinning.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
I's sure there is a county fair near your area , just because you cant afford to go and see the ride's , that must mean they are fake bullshit right , cause they cant go to your house and set up a ride to show you it works .
tjgame2 2 years ago
Completely false comparison. Maybe I can't go and see the rides, but the way they work is already scientifically understood and accepted. Not to mention the fact that any people who could afford to go will witness them working.
Check your logic before you post.
rulesandwisdom 2 years ago 2
So all the peole that will be at the event , what would you say about that , they can afford to travel to see the proof that is offered.
tjgame2 2 years ago
You're not quite getting the point, are you?
rulesandwisdom 2 years ago
And being " accepted" . Things are accepted AFTER there is a working model , then someone goes and figures out everything to make th equation work out right .
tjgame2 2 years ago
Firstly, this argument is kind of pointless. There are hundreds of places around the country where you could get your device tested, and if you don't want to do that, don't expect people to believe you. End of.
Secondly, you have a very strange idea of science. 'Someone goes and figures out everything out to make the equation work right' makes no sense.
rulesandwisdom 2 years ago
Your wrong on that , all your math bullshit is pulled from a working model. If you dont have a working model it is just theroy.
tjgame2 2 years ago
You cannot spell simple words, yet you are insisting someone much brighter than you is wrong.
Amazing.
menotfree 2 years ago
Very clever .
tjgame2 2 years ago
Who are you saying is "much brighter" .
Have they ever done anything but repost some garbage info they found somewhere.
tjgame2 2 years ago
So if you live in a remote area , some how the selller is suppose to pay to come to your house and show how it works . Call the company that sell's , lets just say a new 3/4 ton trucks , then tell them you dont beleive the truck works untill they bring one to your house to show how it works . Come on man , they are telling you that there are FREE PUBLIC display's , you just need to get your ass to a function and check out what they have .
tjgame2 2 years ago
If their devices really worked then it would only take 1 or 2 tanks of gas to drive to you it's only 1000 miles @ 200% increase in mpg, no problem.
billythefifer 2 years ago
"I forgot what the fucking point fucking 7 was ... oh potty mouth !" that made me laugh really hard hehe
tekhiun 2 years ago
It's simpler to me than even that. Go to a reputable university or testing lab and have them do the analysis. Have them write a paper on the subject with legally binding wording that the testing was performed with all due naturalistic methodology (the Scientific Method). That would be sufficient proof for me to then try and duplicate their test. On success on both tests, I will get behind them and shout it to the world.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago 3
What the fuck? You can't fucking swear over the fucking internet, it's fucking rude you fucker.
... Okay, but seriously, we all knew no one would take the challenge and that they would find ways to worm out of it. If their devices worked driving to you would be extra proof that they work.
In other words, they need to shit or get off the pot.
anonbehell 2 years ago
sharp hat
jackeasyking 2 years ago 2
Interesting. The divisiveness Christianity was rebuilt on, is that model; "You don't like it, start your own church."
Divided, yet still under the influence of their mutual addiction, like street gangs selling dope, all dance to the same tune anyway.
Just an observation that backs your assertion that this is a cult. It certainly fits the definition. Sick bastards.
REPENT! Want better mileage?
Drive a car MEANT to get better mileage!
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
"Just an observation that backs your assertion that this is a cult."
Believers in this claptrap certainly have strong, idiot religious beliefs, yep.
Remember when it used to be claimed that OPEC was hiding the truth from people? Now thanks to the Internet even that fucking lame excuse no longer can be made.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
Yes I do remember when I bought into that lie.
I still have plans somewhere for a Fish carburetor!
I was but a child. I didn't know that internal combustion was about to hit a brick wall, and couldn't get much better.
But I also played sax in an evangelical band then.
Older and wiser, eh my hippy friend?
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
I'll take the clown car challenge
I have added 11 people of various sizes, armed with heavy face paint, big shoes and bicycle horns, to my car and it has increased my MPG by nearly 17%
thunderpants10 2 years ago 7
How can you be sure that the MPG increase is not because of the lost weight due to all of the doors and panels falling off your clown car in the typical hillariously farcical fashion?
yeahwotevaman 2 years ago
Well I don't have actual documentation, but every time I question the results I get a pie in the face
thunderpants10 2 years ago 5