Shooting the Springfield Armory M1A rifle in .308 - part 2

[600trillion]

who is the best to buy brand new m1a from? I've heard bad things about springfeild. 

[nashi55]

@600trillion Got mine on gunbroker but local dealers, gun shows or other web sites like auction arms have them.

[600trillion]

@nashi55 i mean't brand wise, my understanding is the Ruger sells the Mini 14/30, but doesn't produce the m1a, springfeild produces m1a but isn't the best. on the other hand, people also say that honda's have bad transmissions, so i guess your milage may vary. maybe just get a min-14 with an aftermarket barrel, not sure...

[nashi55]

@600trillion Fulton Armory produces their own M1A version. It's more expensive but may be worth it to those who will use it (in competition) and really want the best. I felt the SA M1A was a good choice based on what I read.

[600trillion]

@nashi55 holy shit dude, thanks, for some reason the company isn't mentioned as a producer on wikipedia, sure they are expensive, but they look worth it, and a 1.5 MOA .308 with built in troy chassis sounds like exactly what Im wanting. [ Fulton Armory M14 SOPMOD ] , give me a new buttstock and it's a 10/10

[nashi55]

@600trillion Glad to help.

[2ndarymotion]

@600trillion Fulton builds a better receiver. Is it worth it? That depends. Usually, when people compare brands, they speak in nuances. "The Ferrari is faster than the Lamborghini". Well when the Ferrari goes 238mph and the Lambo "only" goes 237 - the statement is true, but does it matter? More importantly, are YOU ever going to get the opportunity to find out? Are you going into to full-time combat, or do you just need a good rifle to defend home & country? I've had NO problems w/ my 3 SA's.

[600trillion]

@2ndarymotion doesn`t matter dude, my needs are partially collector, partially I want something to hunt with and a home defender, Fulton Armory M14 SOPMOD is my rifle, waiting on it now.

[2ndarymotion]

@600trillion Good choice. You can't go wrong with the Fulton.

[2ndarymotion]

@nashi55 - An M1A bikini contest? I think you might be on to something!

[nashi55]

@2ndarymotion Yeah sounds like a video in the making....where's the nearest Hooters????

[Ironandtheshizzelz]

You recommend m14 over m16 rifles? I know they bit diffrent, but the m14 seems more acurate.

[nashi55]

@Ironandtheshizzelz Never shot an AR so I can't compare them directly. I think the M14 would have the edge at greater ranges based on what I have read.

[SavageJim01]

What were you groupings like? What is the length of this range? (100yd?)

[rustycarver1966]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but arent the military rounds higher pressure than civilian rounds?For example,anAR 15 can fire 5.56 or .223 Rem,but you shouldnt try firing 5.56 in a Mini-14 becausethe ar can handle higher pressures.Right?

[SavageJim01]

@rustycarver1966

Actually, there are more civilian rounds that tend to be hotter loaded than military spec ammo.

Just by looking at the ballistics, you can find civilian ammo with higher muzzle velocities for a given projectile weight, which indicates a hotter load.

[daviddavid6000]

video sucks doesn't show anything but you shooting

[nashi55]

@daviddavid6000 If you're a fan of M1As, 308 rifles and shooting, then you'll enjoy it. BTW...what were you expecting - a bikini contest???

[daviddavid6000]

@nashi55 im sorry man that was rude of me

[nashi55]

@daviddavid6000 Okay...we're cool. I had forgotten about it.

[Atombombstudios]

is there any way you could show what grouping you got?

[nashi55]

@Atombombstudios I threw that target away a long time ago. I did good, but the range is only 25-30 yards. The M1A makes even me look good. Maybe next time I'll keep it and post a vid.

[megaspencer]

How's the muzzle clime from a standing position?

[nashi55]

@megaspencer You can watch the other vids to see me shoot standing - judge for yourself. I feel it move up, but can't stop it completly. No way to control at more than fast semi auto speed and be accurate.

[megaspencer]

I wonder if you put a very specially design muzzle compensator on there... But obviously it's not a machine gun it's just a real good semi-auto rifle ain't it?

[nashi55]

@megaspencer Yep, just a very nice 308 rifle.

[DobermansRock]

I just bought my first M-1A today cannot figure out take down.

[Sparks00psn]

@DobermansRock take the magazine out. rack it(cycle bolt and let it go home) put the safety on. flip the rifle upside down. pull up on the trigger guard in back and remove the trigger assembly. so you end up with 3 parts(stock, reciever, trigger group)

[DobermansRock]

@Sparks00psn Thanks. Its not as fast as an m-16/Ar-15. But it makes up in accuracy and distance.

[triggerfingas]

damn i love how it sounds man it sounds brutal...got me thinkin about the one i shot

[nashi55]

@triggerfingas It's loud.

[triggerfingas]

OMG shes so mean i love it man...i soo gotta get one

[s197stangdragger]

you should really shoot only 7.62x51mm in that gun. Thats what its chambered in I believe. But to double check it should say right on the barrel what its chambered in. And no, .308 and 7.62x51mm are not the same round. They are very similar though.

[Trackadvantage]

7.62x51 and .308 Are the same round. The .308 however is a more modern loading and has much more pressure involved. It is not rec. to shoot .308 in a weapon chambered for 7.62x51, but its fine to do it the other way around. Military rounds have lower pressures than commercially avail hunting ammo as well, so that might be something to consider.

[s197stangdragger]

externally they are the same yes. The 7.62 is made for machine guns, therefore it has a thicker brass case which results in less powder making chamber pressures less. Also the internal neck angle is different too. If the gun is labeled 7.62 dont shoot .308 in it. Pressure may be too high for the gun to handle.

[nashi55]

@Trackadvantage Springfield told me twice the M1As are chambered for 308but they can also shoot 7.62x51.

Based on everything I have read the two rds, although very similar, are not actually IDENTICAL...different cases and pressures. They are close enough to be used in some rifles like the M1A. It's chambered for 308, so the lower pressure 7.62 is fine.

[triggerfingas]

@nashi55 like .223 and 5.56x45 right??

[nashi55]

@triggerfingas Well I have always read that 308 & 7.62x51 are not identical despite what some say. They are very close but the cases and presures are not exactly the same. The M1a can handle both, but it's chambered for 308 per SA.

[eifersucht2]

@nashi55 the 7.62 NATO has thicker brass giving it much higher initial pressures if the firearm isn't designed to relieve that pressure (I believe they do that with a longer throat)

[nashi55]

@eifersucht2 I have read the same thing for 308, that it had higher pressures than 7.62. The thicker case meant less powder in 7.62...and thus less pressure than 308. Many articles have said, a 308 rifle can usually handle 7.62 without issue, but not always the oppoiste is true.

I guess further research is required......... Perhaps I need to contact Federal & Remington for the staright story - they should know!!

[Sparks00psn]

no, they are not interchangable. however, weapons that use NATO cartriges can fire civilian ones, just not the other way around. its because pressures are too great leading to malfunctions

[triggerfingas]

ahh i understand now...thanx for the info brotha. sounds like them +P rounds and how some guns cant handle them

[nashi55]

@s197stangdragger ....Springfield told me twice the M1As are chambered for 308but they can also shoot 7.62x51.

Based on everything I have read the two rds, although very similar, are not actually IDENTICAL...different cases and pressures. They are close enough to be used in some rifles like the M1A. It's chambered for 308, so the lower pressure 7.62 is fine.

[s197stangdragger]

basically what I just said.

[nashi55]

@s197stangdragger I wasn't clear on some of the things you mentioned....so that's why I posted. Just wanted to make sure we're on the same page!! Thanks for watching! Hope you enjoyed this video.

[famouzboi13]

man i want one so bad

[mxf7010g8k]

love the look of the m1a with irons but would love to also put a scope on for range

[MrNiceguy1311]

I congradulate u nashi on acquiring this beautiful rifle. I have never shot a 308. before. Does it have much kick? Plz reply. and one again nice rifle :].

[nashi55]

You can be the judge - there are several vids to watch. You certainly feel it, but it doesn't hurt. Once you fire it a few times you begin to get used to it. Rent one at a local shop and see for yourself.

[counterstrikenerd321]

You Said This cannot be bought in california ? Dude i cant get one !

[nashi55]

CA residents can't get them with the flash surpressor like the one in the video - they get a slightly different model. You'd need to research it further, I don't remember the specifics on it.

[blownglasslide]

Never fear! Sprinfield makes a CA legal model that has a cut off suppressor. You can still get one!

[blownglasslide]

Um, I;ve been on the Sprinfield Armory website.... Thanks for calling me weirdo, by the way. That's an awesome way to make friends and show gratitude when people try to help you out.

[blownglasslide]

Yep, semi-auto. Comes with a 10 round mag for anyone like us Californians still under the assault weapons ban.

[counterstrikenerd321]

Explain to me the Assault Weapons Ban ? We cant own M16's ???

[nashi55]

Simply put: it banned rifles with certain features like larger magazines, flash suppressors, bayonet lugs etc. It has expired so you can buy rifles with those features. So yes you can own semi-auto versions of the M16....as long as you live in states that allow them. You can read the details on the web - lots of articles with all the details are out there.

[Phynix93]

i thought you could get assault rifles jsut had to pay extra for em like a suppressor...

[nashi55]

Yes, you can own full auto versions. If they were sold prior to the bans, they can be transferred to you. Fees and forms involved, but my understanding is you can own them.

[Phynix93]

o ok cause mah dads friend has ak47s and m16s i think but he may have gotten em prior to the ban

[saved03]

I thought that you can't own a rifle that has a detachable magazine in California. You can only own rifles that are top loading only. Like the orginal SKS minus the bayonet, flash supressor, or grenade launcher. So I'm not sure if the M1A is legal to own in California unless the flash supressor is removed and the magazine is nondetachable.

[bowtiebird]

the max for a centerfire semi-auto rifle with a detachable box magazine is 10 rounds in cali

[saved03]

I know the 10 round law California has but I read that there is a law in California that you can't have a rifle with detachable magazines. I believe it was a law that passed back in 2005. I don't know this for sure because I don't live in California, thank God. I was just seeing how un-2nd Amendment that state has gotten. Yep it's quite bad.

[bowtiebird]

@saved03 i know right, thats one of the benifits of moving out of cali like i did. now i live in the best state in my opinion,, TEXAS

[saved03]

I'm your neighbor to the north of you. I'm in Oklahoma.

[kbilyak04]

@ saved03

Here is the catch. In Cali you can own a rifle that has a detachable magazine as long as it does not have a pistol grip. You could own a Mini 14, but not an AR because the AR has a pistol grip. Mods can be made to an AR to make it Cali legal, but you have to install a "Raddlock" which require the use of a tool to remove the magazine. All magazines..... both pistols and rifles have a 10 round limit. Hope that helps.

[saved03]

Thanks for the clairifcation on that law. However what prevents you from carrying multiple mags? This 10 round cap makes no sense when you are not limited in the amount of ammo you can carry on person or in a gym bag. The pistol grip law makes no sense either. Rifles with pistol grips are always fired from the shoulder and never the hip. I guess Cali. believes what Hollywood makes is true. These laws only address the look and not the functions.

[nashi55]

As i mentioned in the M1A owner's report - it does force your to reaquire the target. You can't hold it on target against the recoil.

[billcavazos]

Pretty stable when your shooting. Good squeeze too. I've been wanting an M1a for hunting. What kind of groups can you get from a standard grade at 100 yds? Unless your shooting a match grade..Are they easy to install a scope mount? thanks

[nashi55]

The targets were at 25-30 yards. Good grouping with standard sights - esp since I'm no marksman. You'll have to remove the stripper clip to mount a scope- but I can't provide any more info on that question.

[TreyBird73]

Get the Scope mount from Springfield Armory. It costs more but I've heard nothing but bad news about the Cheaper Versions. Good idea to have a gunsmith install it too - probably around $20 worth of work.

[alenko53]

wow dat was impresive, you shot at a wall while sitting down...in combat u would get raped...i shoot a springfield while standing up and i dont jerk back dat much

[GoldComet6]

Go back to your video games and keep your pointless comments to yourself. I doubt you have any idea what combat is like, to you it's just a video game. If you shoot a "Springfield" standing up, as you brag about, in combat you'll get killed. What's your point?? I doubt it's even yours....if so where is your video Rambo??

[nashi55]

I provide info on these rifles- never said Im a marksman / expert. Check out my vids before posting I shoot standing! Unless YOU have served in the military dont lecture me on combat you seem like GI Joe wannabe. Your vids are unimpressive- dancing soccer scary mask. WOW!! Shoot someone elses Springfield & post, well comment on you and how well youll do in combat. Dont want to learn, dont watch go back to your video games and live through them.

Which one? 1903 M1A M1 Garand m14

[nashi55]

alenko53....Don't tell me about the gun you shoot...show me!!! Post a video so we can comment on you.  Otherwise don't tell me how to shoot, or brag about how little the rifle moves you. Go post another dancing video and stay away from guns.

[LostEmpires]

good call nashi55:) lil bastards play call of duty and they think they know everything. by the way! call of duty is NOT anywhere near real combat. no one stands up and runs directly at people. people camp in real life. they sit they wait they shoot.

[nashi55]

Right on! The clincher was his own videos, seriously there aren't any of firearms! If he had some of his own perhaps he might have some credibility. Don't lecture me on shooting when you post only dancing videos.

[LostEmpires]

hahaha! well theres combat to be learned in modern dance hahah! jokes

[SLAVJANSKIVOLK]

If you read the sign above the mans head you will see a sign that asks them to fire in a seated position. He is a civilian obviously he will shoot it how he likes not every has a gun with the intention of killing people you fuckwit.

[esh325]

Jackass.

[BonhommeHero]

Good god. By the way you talk people would just assume that you're a fucking cod4 nerd, who's ignorant about guns.

Learn to read jack ass. It says on that sign that they can ONLY shoot in the seated position.

[BonhommeHero]

WOW. So you do play COD4.

lol. And since when have you ever been in combat?

[fastmuffins]

snipers FTW!

[Tfarnham849]

No. Just.. no.

The M14 (or M1A) is a Battle Rifle. It is NOT a sniper rifle. If anything, it CAN be a DM (Designated Marksman) rifle. But then, you're talking about a rifle that was modified and specially tooled with a match trigger, receiver, barrel, ect.

[LuisRC91]

i think i mostly thin of it as a sniper rifle and it does seem like a small sniper rifle but it is in dead a battle rifle

[sniper4119]

i put a Eotech 552 on mine with a Smith rail setup.

[Windowlicker77]

Nice job on both videos man this is a beautiful rifle wish I could afford one right now. I'll live through your videos for now!

[nashi55]

Maybe I can post another one in a few weeks. I'll do my part to help you keep the M1A faith.

[nashi55]

True, it's not that nice looking. But overall the M1A is a fine rifle. Focus on the nice wood stock, thick barrel, and heavy receiver. You'll overlook the handguard.

[the8jrfan]

I own two m1a's and they are the most beautiful rifles in the world.

[nutn2do12]

Do u think the heat seild on the top looks tacky?

[athens114]

the heat shield isn't quite as attractive on the models with wooden stocks as it could be, but if you go with a fiberglass or other synthetic stock the heat shield blends much better and actually adds some nice asthetics to the rifle

[nashi55]

Athens114...Good point