How convincing... Finds some old ammo, mines there has been how much conflict there. Pays some 'arabs' some money and says 'yeah this was them'... pfft very convincing
Certain SAS chaps have made millions out of the odd exaggerated story. Take it all with a pinch of salt. I've read Michael Ashers book and it certainly seems more plausible than the various gung-ho stuff...
WHY WOULD THEY LIE? THEY NO WAY TO MUCH THERE FUCKING GOAT HERDERS FOR FUCKS SAKE 1S EX FORCES SEEMS TO NO HIS SHIT, THIS GUY HAS JUST EXPOSED 1 OF THE GREATEST LIES IN SAS HISTORY AND I BELEIVE IT. WHY CAS THAT PEICE OF SHIT MCNAB LIED ABOUT AN INCIDENT I WAS INVOLVED IN. IN ZUMBERLEY AFHGAN LOOK THAT UP PARAS AMBUSHED IN ZUMBERLEY. I WAS THERE AND IT WAS A 1 ROYAL IRISH PLATOON THAT DID THE FIGHTING FUCKING CUNTS A WANNABE PISSING IN THE WIND THAT RYAN HE'S A STAB, STUPID T A BASTARD IN ALL.
@roblythamuk They can shoot straight, but there are many reasons why they missed. For example, maybe they didn't want to kill some random villagers. Remember they were fighting the Iraqi Army not everyday civilians. Also, they could have only wanted to suppress the villagers and then escape. Their mission was not to engage in firefights. Their main goal was to observe and report back. So the SAS can shoot. But they are not cold-blooded murderers.
you telling me that out of the gunfights the Iraqi's admit they had with the SAS one being ferocious and lasting 10 minutes in quite close quart combat that the SAS did not injure 1 Iraqi??? this stinks of fishy..so many lies and Iraqi propaganda and too much pride to be lost for any other explanation as to why this was... Lets not forget that these boys have fought and won 99% of their battles causing MASSIVE deaths and casualties whenever they get in to a fight... 300 killed near Africa? 9men?
When this guy started talking about how the Iraqi desert in winter is one of the "coldest places on earth" he lost all credibility with me. I've been in the same desert in the winter and its no picnic but its not nearly as bad as hes trying to make is sound. If someone were out there under-equipped for cold weather it would be easy to get yourself killed from exposure but he is doing his very best to exaggerate without making obvious falsehoods. Hes got an agenda and this documentary sucks.
@Snipe4261 You forget that coldness is not just effect of (lack of) temperature, but also wind and moisture in the clothes/on the skin. Add to that the psychological factors (light conditions, nourishment level etc) and it can certainly feel "one of the coldest places on Earth."
As for the document vs McNab/Ryan books, I believe document hits closest to the mark. Probably not bullseye, but much more believeable than the books.
@Purre1976 I'm not saying the documentary doesn't make some points and I'm not saying the books should be considered entirely accurate. What I'm saying is that I don't think Asher ever intended to be neutral when he started making this documentary, even though he may portray himself as being neutral in the beginning.
"one of the coldest places on earth" Really? I've got multiple tours in Iraq and have been all over that country. It isn't the coldest place on earth. It has a winter similar to central Texas. This dude is starting to lose credibility. Iraqis aren't above lying, this I know for a fact.
@discofishing well.. i thought they encountered a snow storm of some sort, so I would say it would be pretty cold. especially as body temperature drops as energy runs low.
@theAntilli The thing about the desert is you're body dehydrates faster. In cold dry weather you will dehydrate faster which makes you're bodies core temperature drop faster. This is because water retains heat. Snow storms mainly happen in the northern, mountainous region of Iraq. I've experienced frost, sleet and light snow south of Baghdad, but nothing I haven't seen growing up in Texas. I hate to say it, but these guys did not plan this mission well at all.
Nope,it defenately wasn't planned well. For one they couldn't dig in as planned, the ground was too rocky. Another thing was that the emergency radio was set up for the wrong frequency. Luckely they learned and very sufessfully used armed convoys from that time on.
@theAntilli In their (B-20) defense, I will say they weren't backed up very well by their chain of command or logistics. US Navy SEALs and US Army Green Berets and Delta force conducted several SCUD hunting missions during that time. Details are still mainly classified, but they were able to complete missions with good results. Water tables exist under the desert floor, I wonder if this SAS was aware of that. Most of my maps had known water tables where you could dig for water.
@discofishing I would also like to say I don't think this is a case of confidence of competence, but I hoped someone in their chain of command was reprimanded for the situation they put their men in. There's no excuse, I believe had this team been better equipped they could have pulled off the mission with great success and without casualties.
What the Arabs describe the SAS doing is is the standard 'break contact' drill i.e.fire at the enemy to get their heads down, then throw smoke for cover and leg it! You don't go head to head with a larger enemy force particularly if they have APCs!
What a load of rubbish, mcnab and ryan don’t get on anyway. So don’t you think they would have both told different story’s? Given the opportunity they would have corrected each other. And regarding vince, im sure his family thought he was invincible, but they weren’t there. I have no doubt that he was a fantastic soldier, but we all have bad days. With regards to the severity of fire fights, why would they lie? do you think someone in the sas has to make stuff up? i think not.
@joebud321 I'm with you on this one dude. Our special operations (American) constantly train with SAS/SBS. US Army Delta Force is almost a direct copy of British SAS. If US military special ops guys can whoop a disproportionate amount of ass against superior numbers I have no doubt British special forces can do the same thing. I've read about it in Iraq and Afghanistan.
@joebud321 Honestly, read the book. No of the SAS members present at McNab's debrief could recall him mentioning anything about APCs, massive gun battles, hundreds of dead and wounded Iraqis, etc. It was either McNab or Ryan who got himself sued by the other surviving members of the patrol, for defaming Vince in particular.
@joebud321 Honestly, read the book. No of the SAS members present at McNab's debrief could recall him mentioning anything about APCs, massive gun battles, hundreds of dead and wounded Iraqis, etc. It was either McNab or Ryan who got himself sued by the other surviving members of the patrol, for defaming Vince in particular.
IF you want the REAL written account of the Bravo Two Zero mission, read Soldier Five, written my Mike Coburn the Kiwi that got shot and captured. His book, as he puts it, was written to dispute Ryan and McNab's claims that Phillips was responsible. It was blocked by the British government, and had to be taken to the New Zealand High, Supreme, and Court of Appeals in order for Coburn's side of the story to be told... A MUST READ... SOLDIER FIVE by Mike Coburn
listen mr asher you hav 2 iraqi oficials standing behind you obviously the locals will denie that the sas ever killed any iraqi soldiers.THEY ARE SHITING THEMSELVES!!
And as 4 the claymore and shovel so what if the iraqis can show you them...........................The sas left them behind derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Brilliant allot of bullets in a fire fight..really I figured they all shoot 2 or 3 rounds and then sit down and have tea.Isn't this guy a former member of the SAS?
@Suppressingfire@Suppressingfire further more this video was made during the time of and rain of Saddam dose anyone really think there gona say yes 250 Iraqi jondis were shot down ? no .. of course not so thats a great point you have made and yes of course there would be a large securiy presance.if you watch S.A.S a Solders story anther patrol operating in the same area NW Iraq he tells of there being in the reigion of over 500 Iraqi troops iv got the video if anyone wants il upload
Actually Mc Nab sattes that they legged it and were then followed -I wich that the narrator had of actually read his book. However, do we think that McNab embelished a little? Yep
Seems most the "evidence" is straw man type stuff, he builds or hints at a scenario, finds a wee bit of something here and there...see here ,looky- just as it would be if BLAH,BLAH,BLAH......consider what has happed since(duh-A WAR), where ANYTHING useful left behind would be long gone. Lots of "standard issue " kit pcs.....easy enough to play devils advocate either way.There will always be discrepancies-too few is just a suspicious as too many. The real truth lies somewhere in between .
What would armored personnel carriers and a battalion of Iraqi soldiers be doing hanging out in this middle of nowhere? And I would imagine that their orders, given to a reconnaissance and report back special operations mission, would be to avoid contact at all costs, and retreat from engagements when at all possible.
@trythinkingnow there were SCUD launchers & AA systems in those areas, besides they were not far from the Main Supply Route, so it is most likely there were indeed APCs & troops guarding & supporting them.
@Suppressingfire@Suppressingfire further more this video was made during the time of and rain of Saddam dose anyone really think there gona say yes 250 Iraqi jondis were shot down ? no .. of course not so thats a great point you have made and yes of course there would be a large securiy presance.if you watch S.A.S a Solders story anther patrol operating in the same area NW Iraq he tells of there being in the reigion of over 500 Iraqi troops iv got the video if anyone wants il upload
They did run away why dont you believe that they were 8 men on foot with rifles and lmg's . the SAS wouldnt run away tango280581 is the most stupid thing I've heard. They were SAS so what, fitness and training doesnt mean you can wipe out a hunter force in vehicles.Accept it like I have that alot in the 2 books written is bullshit. read the RSM's book, why didnt they mention any of this shit in the lengthy post op debrief.
Strange he never even mentions the arguments he had with the CO and RSM about taking a vehicle in his book bravo 2 0.I liked Mcnab at first but its sadf he felt the need to lie his back teeth out.
they didt take vehicles for they said they couldnt hide them, first place they found was a sheltered area the bedouin used for sheltering vehicles.they posted an e+e plan for saudi then went north. Mcnab really fucked up and it cost men there lives. If the CO and the RSM advises youi to take a vehicle thenm you fucking take one. they needed transport in the desert.
No he's investigating what happened I HAVE read all the books and both Mcnab and Ryan not only exaggerated but plain fabricated details. Read eye of the storm by Pete Ratcliffe.
Asher was accompanied by 2 government minders. I can't image they would want their soldiers to be made out to look like idiots getting mown down by a handful of Brits.
I just find it difficult to believe 8 hardened sas guys would be running from a couple of ordinary ragheads. Im not saying there versions werent sexed up but i find it to be more believable than what these guys are saying. Plus asher spent years living with bedouin folk so theres a conflict of interest. Anyway nice to see we can all have a friendly debate without anyone trolling. Cheers
look,there is truth in both.It is naive to believe everything in those books.The S.A.S is not indestructible and sure,it is great story .truth is in the eye or the believer i could go on but there is not point only this;don't just question authority- question everything
look,there is truth in both.It is naive to believe everything in those books.The S.A.S is not indestructible and sure,it is great story .truth is in the eye or the believer i could go on but there is not point only this;don't just question authority- question everyhting
I think Asher needed to sell his documentary as well, no doubt Mcnab and Ryan exagerated but i can imagine this docu. having much impact if it was just retelling or confirming the original b20 story it needed this contradiction
And he's spent years living with the bedouin so theres a conflict of interest. I agree both mcnab and ryan may have exaggerated but i dont believe these people one bit.
Read all four books and i dont buy what this guy says, i mean what business of his is it anyway? Seems to me hes hellbent on defaming both andy and chris.
@tango280581 I have respect for Asher but he's taking the local's word for it a bit too much. They're hiding a few things such as the S60 gun emplacements situated near where they were living. There's no way 8 SAS guys would run away from just a couple of locals firing off their guns. At the same time however Ryan and McNab could've exaggerated a little, some of the things in the books apparently weren't mentioned at the debriefing.
but you say there is no way sas would run from some guys
normally id agree but because the patrol was still to get to their objectives isnt it standard operating procedure to break of contact and move another direction?
@22uksf yes, although its very intresting to hear the locals that saw them, that started to bug me a little. I mean is this iraqi expects us to believe that he & his buddy with only 2 AKs & a old bolt action rifle fought off, compromised & made 8 heavily armed SAS run like hell to syria ditching most of their equipment?? Now the checkpoint guy said they killed no one lol, i know mcnab & ryan exagerated a bit but one thing is for sure that muslims are GREAT LIARS.
@22uksf He could be right though. The SAS wouldnt want to get into any skirmishes. They are mostly reconnaissance! They also had a mission. It seems wise to me that they get out of where ever they are an avoid any fighting. War history is written by those who won. It wouldnt surprise me that this mission was a total fail and that a story was made up to turn them into hero's rather than failures. We'll never know.
@MrThisukboi i agree if that guy was ex sas iraqi equivelant he also would know how to cover up a bad situation i suppose there are some things we will never know
@tango280581 i wouldn't say he's defaming them just looking at what really happened and why it went wrong. The books authors obviously stretched the truth to make them more interesting to read i think the true story wouldn't have made a very thrilling book.
@tango280581 There are discrepancies between the official MOD report and what was written in the books and even further discrepancies between books. Considering this is amongst the most infamous special operations in history and considering it occurred so recently (very rarely will we hear details of battlefield operations within 5 years of a war) isn't curiosity founded in this case? A detective's MO is to go to the scene of the crime first and interview witnesses, hence interviewing Iraqis.
@tango280581 read the books aswell and it seems that this iraqi civvies story makes a lot more sense and he has proof wheres andy mcnabs and chris ryans im not saying they were lying its just there story as of yet has not been proven . This guy can also point out which one was vincent phillips body which means he was likely to be the person to recover the body . I have great respect for these guys but something doesnt add up. RIP to those who didnt come back .
@theAntilli So where are the APCs? He's right, out there in the desert no one can be assed to haul away heavy wrecks. It's not like they're in the way of anything, and you'd hardly be able to recycle them if they were so destroyed as McNab claims. And as I mentioned, the SAS members at his debrief claimed he never said anything about APCs or huge gun battles. He and Ryan just made up BS stories to make a living, on the cost of those who couldn't answer their defamation.
There will always be lies coming out of war.
TheBgcheez 1 day ago
Whos this scum to judge anyone Andy mcNab is a cunt but this cunt needs a good fucking slap, The things people do to make a quick pound.
Zooumberg 4 days ago
jesus the Arab guy knows the sheppard got there kit and has the taxi they hijacked smells fishy to me lol
ChrisTheory28 1 week ago
Bravo two zero all lied
buboy630 1 week ago
Would you believe your special forces or the enemy?
BALEnaVICO 1 week ago
@BALEnaVICO They ain't my Special Forces or my enemy :/
DrJackJeckyl 6 days ago
Has Chris Ryan ever responded to the claims that his book is inaccurate?
MyEmanuel2011 2 weeks ago
@MyEmanuel2011 I think all he mentions in his books is his shoes
Anasazi2006 1 week ago
How convincing... Finds some old ammo, mines there has been how much conflict there. Pays some 'arabs' some money and says 'yeah this was them'... pfft very convincing
dfgiuy22 4 weeks ago
Certain SAS chaps have made millions out of the odd exaggerated story. Take it all with a pinch of salt. I've read Michael Ashers book and it certainly seems more plausible than the various gung-ho stuff...
Iclimbthereforeiam 1 month ago
1:25 SS Patrol ????
tentheagle 1 month ago
With all the respect in the world I find this very hard to believe.
Easyandy100 1 month ago
Yeah, I think the Iraqi's are telling porkies - big time Jackanorie
guydecervens 1 month ago
WHY WOULD THEY LIE? THEY NO WAY TO MUCH THERE FUCKING GOAT HERDERS FOR FUCKS SAKE 1S EX FORCES SEEMS TO NO HIS SHIT, THIS GUY HAS JUST EXPOSED 1 OF THE GREATEST LIES IN SAS HISTORY AND I BELEIVE IT. WHY CAS THAT PEICE OF SHIT MCNAB LIED ABOUT AN INCIDENT I WAS INVOLVED IN. IN ZUMBERLEY AFHGAN LOOK THAT UP PARAS AMBUSHED IN ZUMBERLEY. I WAS THERE AND IT WAS A 1 ROYAL IRISH PLATOON THAT DID THE FIGHTING FUCKING CUNTS A WANNABE PISSING IN THE WIND THAT RYAN HE'S A STAB, STUPID T A BASTARD IN ALL.
2manyshitvids 1 month ago
@2manyshitvids Lol, your a retard
dfgiuy22 4 weeks ago
if they didnt contact the iraqi then how did they find the bergens
AssasinsWeedxX 1 month ago
He's saying the SAS can't even shoot straight. Hmm not convinced by this documentary
roblythamuk 1 month ago 7
@roblythamuk They can shoot straight, but there are many reasons why they missed. For example, maybe they didn't want to kill some random villagers. Remember they were fighting the Iraqi Army not everyday civilians. Also, they could have only wanted to suppress the villagers and then escape. Their mission was not to engage in firefights. Their main goal was to observe and report back. So the SAS can shoot. But they are not cold-blooded murderers.
uchio 2 weeks ago 2
you telling me that out of the gunfights the Iraqi's admit they had with the SAS one being ferocious and lasting 10 minutes in quite close quart combat that the SAS did not injure 1 Iraqi??? this stinks of fishy..so many lies and Iraqi propaganda and too much pride to be lost for any other explanation as to why this was... Lets not forget that these boys have fought and won 99% of their battles causing MASSIVE deaths and casualties whenever they get in to a fight... 300 killed near Africa? 9men?
imacutemale 1 month ago
Obviously that guy is somewhere god didn't intend him to be! Thank fuck for the sas and not the bbc (British bullshiting corporation)
daveymc172 1 month ago
When this guy started talking about how the Iraqi desert in winter is one of the "coldest places on earth" he lost all credibility with me. I've been in the same desert in the winter and its no picnic but its not nearly as bad as hes trying to make is sound. If someone were out there under-equipped for cold weather it would be easy to get yourself killed from exposure but he is doing his very best to exaggerate without making obvious falsehoods. Hes got an agenda and this documentary sucks.
Snipe4261 1 month ago
@Snipe4261 You forget that coldness is not just effect of (lack of) temperature, but also wind and moisture in the clothes/on the skin. Add to that the psychological factors (light conditions, nourishment level etc) and it can certainly feel "one of the coldest places on Earth."
As for the document vs McNab/Ryan books, I believe document hits closest to the mark. Probably not bullseye, but much more believeable than the books.
Purre1976 1 month ago
@Purre1976 I'm not saying the documentary doesn't make some points and I'm not saying the books should be considered entirely accurate. What I'm saying is that I don't think Asher ever intended to be neutral when he started making this documentary, even though he may portray himself as being neutral in the beginning.
Snipe4261 1 month ago
You can see photos of Dinger and other SAS when they were members of 2 PARA, by googling PARACHUTE 2 CLUB
Whatever81417 1 month ago
"one of the coldest places on earth" Really? I've got multiple tours in Iraq and have been all over that country. It isn't the coldest place on earth. It has a winter similar to central Texas. This dude is starting to lose credibility. Iraqis aren't above lying, this I know for a fact.
discofishing 1 month ago
@discofishing well.. i thought they encountered a snow storm of some sort, so I would say it would be pretty cold. especially as body temperature drops as energy runs low.
theAntilli 1 month ago
@theAntilli The thing about the desert is you're body dehydrates faster. In cold dry weather you will dehydrate faster which makes you're bodies core temperature drop faster. This is because water retains heat. Snow storms mainly happen in the northern, mountainous region of Iraq. I've experienced frost, sleet and light snow south of Baghdad, but nothing I haven't seen growing up in Texas. I hate to say it, but these guys did not plan this mission well at all.
discofishing 1 month ago
@discofishing cool,thx for the tip with the water.
Nope,it defenately wasn't planned well. For one they couldn't dig in as planned, the ground was too rocky. Another thing was that the emergency radio was set up for the wrong frequency. Luckely they learned and very sufessfully used armed convoys from that time on.
theAntilli 1 month ago
@theAntilli In their (B-20) defense, I will say they weren't backed up very well by their chain of command or logistics. US Navy SEALs and US Army Green Berets and Delta force conducted several SCUD hunting missions during that time. Details are still mainly classified, but they were able to complete missions with good results. Water tables exist under the desert floor, I wonder if this SAS was aware of that. Most of my maps had known water tables where you could dig for water.
discofishing 1 month ago
@discofishing I would also like to say I don't think this is a case of confidence of competence, but I hoped someone in their chain of command was reprimanded for the situation they put their men in. There's no excuse, I believe had this team been better equipped they could have pulled off the mission with great success and without casualties.
discofishing 1 month ago
@discofishing sorry "confidence over competence"
discofishing 1 month ago
What the Arabs describe the SAS doing is is the standard 'break contact' drill i.e.fire at the enemy to get their heads down, then throw smoke for cover and leg it! You don't go head to head with a larger enemy force particularly if they have APCs!
faeembrugh 1 month ago
What a load of rubbish, mcnab and ryan don’t get on anyway. So don’t you think they would have both told different story’s? Given the opportunity they would have corrected each other. And regarding vince, im sure his family thought he was invincible, but they weren’t there. I have no doubt that he was a fantastic soldier, but we all have bad days. With regards to the severity of fire fights, why would they lie? do you think someone in the sas has to make stuff up? i think not.
joebud321 1 month ago
@joebud321 I'm with you on this one dude. Our special operations (American) constantly train with SAS/SBS. US Army Delta Force is almost a direct copy of British SAS. If US military special ops guys can whoop a disproportionate amount of ass against superior numbers I have no doubt British special forces can do the same thing. I've read about it in Iraq and Afghanistan.
discofishing 1 month ago
@joebud321 Honestly, read the book. No of the SAS members present at McNab's debrief could recall him mentioning anything about APCs, massive gun battles, hundreds of dead and wounded Iraqis, etc. It was either McNab or Ryan who got himself sued by the other surviving members of the patrol, for defaming Vince in particular.
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@joebud321 Honestly, read the book. No of the SAS members present at McNab's debrief could recall him mentioning anything about APCs, massive gun battles, hundreds of dead and wounded Iraqis, etc. It was either McNab or Ryan who got himself sued by the other surviving members of the patrol, for defaming Vince in particular.
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Whatever81417 2 months ago
tbh if they destroyed 2 apc, the apc skeletons would have probably remained or atleast some evidence of such a huge firefight would have remained
shalomyo 2 months ago
@shalomyo
lots of destroyed military equipment is either sold or sold as scrapmetal lol.
arthuro13 2 months ago
@arthuro13
not in all cases many battlefields around the ME still have tank and apc skeletons lying around unless its in a highly populated area
besides there would have been atleast some scrap left around and atleast hundreds of empty bullet shells
shalomyo 2 months ago
Asher is a self righteous prick. He knows the truth, but he loves arabs so much he has to come up with BS
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Whatever81417 2 months ago
listen mr asher you hav 2 iraqi oficials standing behind you obviously the locals will denie that the sas ever killed any iraqi soldiers.THEY ARE SHITING THEMSELVES!!
And as 4 the claymore and shovel so what if the iraqis can show you them...........................The sas left them behind derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
mattylisha 2 months ago
Brilliant allot of bullets in a fire fight..really I figured they all shoot 2 or 3 rounds and then sit down and have tea.Isn't this guy a former member of the SAS?
NovaScotiaNewfie 3 months ago
@Suppressingfire @Suppressingfire further more this video was made during the time of and rain of Saddam dose anyone really think there gona say yes 250 Iraqi jondis were shot down ? no .. of course not so thats a great point you have made and yes of course there would be a large securiy presance.if you watch S.A.S a Solders story anther patrol operating in the same area NW Iraq he tells of there being in the reigion of over 500 Iraqi troops iv got the video if anyone wants il upload
viper174471 3 months ago in playlist The one that got away S.A.s
The SAS in WW2 established the best way to travel through the desert was by vehicle, fuckin madness not to take one!.
dcoz25 3 months ago
Actually Mc Nab sattes that they legged it and were then followed -I wich that the narrator had of actually read his book. However, do we think that McNab embelished a little? Yep
TheAlexkettle 3 months ago
Seems most the "evidence" is straw man type stuff, he builds or hints at a scenario, finds a wee bit of something here and there...see here ,looky- just as it would be if BLAH,BLAH,BLAH......consider what has happed since(duh-A WAR), where ANYTHING useful left behind would be long gone. Lots of "standard issue " kit pcs.....easy enough to play devils advocate either way.There will always be discrepancies-too few is just a suspicious as too many. The real truth lies somewhere in between .
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superdupermonkeyman2 4 months ago
He calls the Patrol the SS?? 1:23 is that kosher?
superdupermonkeyman2 4 months ago
What would armored personnel carriers and a battalion of Iraqi soldiers be doing hanging out in this middle of nowhere? And I would imagine that their orders, given to a reconnaissance and report back special operations mission, would be to avoid contact at all costs, and retreat from engagements when at all possible.
trythinkingnow 4 months ago
@trythinkingnow there were SCUD launchers & AA systems in those areas, besides they were not far from the Main Supply Route, so it is most likely there were indeed APCs & troops guarding & supporting them.
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viper174471 3 months ago in playlist The one that got away S.A.s
@Suppressingfire @Suppressingfire further more this video was made during the time of and rain of Saddam dose anyone really think there gona say yes 250 Iraqi jondis were shot down ? no .. of course not so thats a great point you have made and yes of course there would be a large securiy presance.if you watch S.A.S a Solders story anther patrol operating in the same area NW Iraq he tells of there being in the reigion of over 500 Iraqi troops iv got the video if anyone wants il upload
viper174471 3 months ago in playlist The one that got away S.A.s
They did run away why dont you believe that they were 8 men on foot with rifles and lmg's . the SAS wouldnt run away tango280581 is the most stupid thing I've heard. They were SAS so what, fitness and training doesnt mean you can wipe out a hunter force in vehicles.Accept it like I have that alot in the 2 books written is bullshit. read the RSM's book, why didnt they mention any of this shit in the lengthy post op debrief.
26wordy 4 months ago
Strange he never even mentions the arguments he had with the CO and RSM about taking a vehicle in his book bravo 2 0.I liked Mcnab at first but its sadf he felt the need to lie his back teeth out.
26wordy 4 months ago
they didt take vehicles for they said they couldnt hide them, first place they found was a sheltered area the bedouin used for sheltering vehicles.they posted an e+e plan for saudi then went north. Mcnab really fucked up and it cost men there lives. If the CO and the RSM advises youi to take a vehicle thenm you fucking take one. they needed transport in the desert.
26wordy 4 months ago
No he's investigating what happened I HAVE read all the books and both Mcnab and Ryan not only exaggerated but plain fabricated details. Read eye of the storm by Pete Ratcliffe.
26wordy 4 months ago
Asher was accompanied by 2 government minders. I can't image they would want their soldiers to be made out to look like idiots getting mown down by a handful of Brits.
snackster 4 months ago
in ashers book he mentions a pool of blood being found at the first firefight
vince had a leg injury
was it caused by iraqi fire
angloaust 4 months ago
nice to see we can all discuss this without yellling and no f words
good people here
bleushift 4 months ago
@bleushift hehe i agree
sgroen1985 2 months ago
I just find it difficult to believe 8 hardened sas guys would be running from a couple of ordinary ragheads. Im not saying there versions werent sexed up but i find it to be more believable than what these guys are saying. Plus asher spent years living with bedouin folk so theres a conflict of interest. Anyway nice to see we can all have a friendly debate without anyone trolling. Cheers
tango280581 4 months ago
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look,there is truth in both.It is naive to believe everything in those books.The S.A.S is not indestructible and sure,it is great story .truth is in the eye or the believer i could go on but there is not point only this;don't just question authority- question everything
AgentGraves100 4 months ago
look,there is truth in both.It is naive to believe everything in those books.The S.A.S is not indestructible and sure,it is great story .truth is in the eye or the believer i could go on but there is not point only this;don't just question authority- question everyhting
AgentGraves100 4 months ago
I guess history really is written by the victor. This documentary is fascinating, thanks for uploading!
punisher1990 5 months ago
I think Asher needed to sell his documentary as well, no doubt Mcnab and Ryan exagerated but i can imagine this docu. having much impact if it was just retelling or confirming the original b20 story it needed this contradiction
glovemonkey 5 months ago
Why did he go down a slope with a Bulldozer in the first place???
Pearly403 5 months ago
@Pearly403 he said "because he didn't want the fuel to freeze"
911beere 5 months ago
Keep in mind, Iraqi "minders" are off camera. It is likely they had some influence on the content of this program.
browsfan 6 months ago
in his book he says he slept comfortably in the warmth,
MrThisukboi 6 months ago
And he's spent years living with the bedouin so theres a conflict of interest. I agree both mcnab and ryan may have exaggerated but i dont believe these people one bit.
tango280581 6 months ago
Read all four books and i dont buy what this guy says, i mean what business of his is it anyway? Seems to me hes hellbent on defaming both andy and chris.
tango280581 7 months ago
@tango280581 I have respect for Asher but he's taking the local's word for it a bit too much. They're hiding a few things such as the S60 gun emplacements situated near where they were living. There's no way 8 SAS guys would run away from just a couple of locals firing off their guns. At the same time however Ryan and McNab could've exaggerated a little, some of the things in the books apparently weren't mentioned at the debriefing.
22uksf 7 months ago 12
@22uksf i agree with you on most..
but you say there is no way sas would run from some guys
normally id agree but because the patrol was still to get to their objectives isnt it standard operating procedure to break of contact and move another direction?
bleushift 4 months ago
@22uksf yes, although its very intresting to hear the locals that saw them, that started to bug me a little. I mean is this iraqi expects us to believe that he & his buddy with only 2 AKs & a old bolt action rifle fought off, compromised & made 8 heavily armed SAS run like hell to syria ditching most of their equipment?? Now the checkpoint guy said they killed no one lol, i know mcnab & ryan exagerated a bit but one thing is for sure that muslims are GREAT LIARS.
Suppressingfire 3 months ago
@22uksf no hes just trying to find truth, from other peoples naked eye witness experience.
just because andy mcnab is english, you beleive him over them? they wont lie about it, theres no profit in it for them.
but when andy mcnab sold books, and the movie "bravo two zero" came out, there was tons of profit to be made.
we both know, betime you hear the real story, its very fabricated in comparison to what really happened.
Hani110 2 months ago
@22uksf He could be right though. The SAS wouldnt want to get into any skirmishes. They are mostly reconnaissance! They also had a mission. It seems wise to me that they get out of where ever they are an avoid any fighting. War history is written by those who won. It wouldnt surprise me that this mission was a total fail and that a story was made up to turn them into hero's rather than failures. We'll never know.
jusryan13 1 month ago 6
@tango280581 Hello. Are you the man on the beach in the peach bikini?
whitbyjet65 7 months ago
@tango280581 Perhaps he is tidying up soldiers yarn?
TheCentralServices 6 months ago
@tango280581 i totally agree, seems like a friend of philips,
MrThisukboi 6 months ago
@MrThisukboi i agree if that guy was ex sas iraqi equivelant he also would know how to cover up a bad situation i suppose there are some things we will never know
peacepacifist2011 6 months ago
@tango280581 i wouldn't say he's defaming them just looking at what really happened and why it went wrong. The books authors obviously stretched the truth to make them more interesting to read i think the true story wouldn't have made a very thrilling book.
deaconkris 6 months ago
@tango280581 There are discrepancies between the official MOD report and what was written in the books and even further discrepancies between books. Considering this is amongst the most infamous special operations in history and considering it occurred so recently (very rarely will we hear details of battlefield operations within 5 years of a war) isn't curiosity founded in this case? A detective's MO is to go to the scene of the crime first and interview witnesses, hence interviewing Iraqis.
PoiPoi5189 6 months ago
'Mac Nab' has wrote s string of fiction book,that should say ti all
AgentGraves100 4 months ago
@tango280581 read the books aswell and it seems that this iraqi civvies story makes a lot more sense and he has proof wheres andy mcnabs and chris ryans im not saying they were lying its just there story as of yet has not been proven . This guy can also point out which one was vincent phillips body which means he was likely to be the person to recover the body . I have great respect for these guys but something doesnt add up. RIP to those who didnt come back .
1277michaelb 2 months ago
@tango280581 it is very important to understand that memories are very subjective. it is very bad evidence. of course, this is involuntary.
on the other hand, i doubt Andy made up the two APCs, and it wouldnt be too far fetched for the locals to say it were bullshit.
theAntilli 1 month ago
@theAntilli So where are the APCs? He's right, out there in the desert no one can be assed to haul away heavy wrecks. It's not like they're in the way of anything, and you'd hardly be able to recycle them if they were so destroyed as McNab claims. And as I mentioned, the SAS members at his debrief claimed he never said anything about APCs or huge gun battles. He and Ryan just made up BS stories to make a living, on the cost of those who couldn't answer their defamation.
truffyt 1 month ago