Freewill Response

[Oldcartoons571]

@Isaiah6verse5 You have no problem with someone creating you knowing you will sin then sending you to hell forever due to only a lifetime of 'sins'. You are what we call dumb.

[JoelJW]

... So while old testament judgments 'Appears' unnecessary, the truth of the matter is that they could have very well been necessary. Often, things can look one way from a certain perspective, only to yield a better revelation from another. The problem comes when we assume the moral superiority of our own perspective, refusing to take the time to view the thing from different angles. Humilty takes the time and witholds judgment. Arrogance dismisses the effort, becoming intellectual laziness.

[JoelJW]

2 The old testament judgments you mentioned comes with a flaw in your unstated implications, either intended or unintended, of God's character - the assumption that the judgments were unjustified. But, if the heart of the people was such that it took such strident demands and actions to keep them in line, we're not in any place to condemn it. We can see from the Bible that the word "Stiff-necked" was applied many times to the ancient Hebrews... continued

[JoelJW]

There's a number of things wrong with this video.

1 Obedience does not cancel the will. According to the vid, obeying God makes you a robot. It does not. You still have the choice available to you to disobey, so choosing to obey is an act of the conscious will. Just as your children would choose to obey you if you told them to stay away from the street or face the consequences of disobedience. One choice does not render the other impossible. Only rejected. Thus, they are not robots.

[LanteanKnight]

Well this isn't very important to me because God had already chosen me to go to hell; I'm not a Jew...

Oh wait, in Judasim there's no heaven or hell!

So... Christians who believe in heaven and hell, are always sent to hell because they're not God's chosen people, although it only exists for them...

[7greenjeans7]

I think it's important to know that sin=consciousness of sin. The law creates consciousness of sin and therefore creates sin. Take away the law and there is no sin.

[ellimist6]

god gives people free will but than threatens them with hell fire if they use their free will to choose not to believe in god. that doesnt seem like free will if ur being forced

[shotinthedark90]

So many errors in such a short video.

[GoblinXXX]

Good video, though I would have suggested using Kraftwerk's "We Are The Robots" as the music. ;)

[ChessandAnimeGuru]

You are right. But you still have free will, even when you choose to do the will of God. You see when you are a Christian and you love God, you do His will, whcih in term becomes your will. Is easy! That is why Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Jews, Atheist, and everyone else has free will. If you still do not understand, take a look at Matrix (the movie) when Morpheus offers The One the red and blue pills. Lol! Take care my friend!

[cjmackay01]

Free will is a myth. As soon as you are able to apply it you will soon find that you aren't allowed to apply it. This is how the controllers divert attention from their methodology of control.

[azsuperman01]

Isaiah6verse5 - God holds each person responsible for their own actions, UNLESS they convert to Christianity.

If you would be outraged by a judge who over looked a crime, then you should be DOUBLY outraged by God. Not only will he supposedly overlook the crimes of millions of Christians, but he also sentenced an innocent man to die from crimes he didn't commit.

Justice isn't about simply making sure SOMEONE gets hurt for every wrong ever done.

[MANDT1445]

LOL. Nice. =]

[blunavoda]

choosing good over evil is much harder to do. even if its not something like murder or stealing from someone, its still wrong. and we think it will make us happy. but it wont. not really. we'll only be satisfied for the moment.

[blunavoda]

we do have freewill to choose between good and evil. we are human. we are imperfect. we will make mistakes. some people choose good over evil because God said so. the thing is that He knows we aren't perfect. that's why he sent his son to save us from ourselves. we can only be saved if we want to be though. that is our choice. freewill.

[thegreatestchallenge]

if there's free-will why would anyone choose evil, which is something not good? Why would any1 purposely choose that which is not good over that which is good? If he's too weak to choose good then is it his fault that he's weak, and if he can choose to be strong why wouldn't he do that which is supposedly better than weak?

[ruffomaldito]

Man evolves from the primitive to the civilized. So has his concept of God. If not so, Jesus himself would surely have stoned M.Magdalene. By NT times, "God´s will" had evolved into "forgive your enemies" and "love thy neighbor as thyself". Today´s jews don´t even follow half of the OT traditions, much less condemn their own for "picking up sticks". We can´t juxtapose tribal concepts with today´s. Yet, we haven´t yet learned from fhe "do nots" of the old law, much less to forgive.

[ianwhy12345]

good=god

evil=devil

thats how it works

[saxaphone4444]

your are taking quotes out of context

[SUR6E]

The will of God is for our benefit and protection. Within that, there's still room for us to make our own choices, which a robot could not. It's perfect that way. The problems in this world are a result of man having free will outside of God's.

[sirjames45]

There was not ONE sentence that was correct in this video! Adam and Eve HAD freewill, but lost it the day they disobeyed. Since then, all of mankind is born enslaved to sin. NO ONE has a free will. You have a will, but a free will is one that is perfectly free and unaffected by anything.

[asdaarg]

The bible doesn't say you don't have free will and if it did, I would throw it in the trash can. For a proper understanding of sin, read Romans Chapter 7, especially 15-17. Can you say that it is your will working against you in your members? That would make no sense. Your will is able to work against sin in your members for the very reason you have free will. It is not bound to sin, your carnal body is, and you have an option to fight it. Don't squander it.

[sirjames45]

The Bible certainly DOES teach that you do not have a perfectly free will. YOu are not a robot, and you do not have a perfectly free will. The Verse you quote in Romans were written to Christians. Christians have been made alive Spiritually by God and they have a new nature as well as their old nature. Fallen man, which is WHO is was talking to, has a will that is enslaved to sin.

[asdaarg]

It pretty much sounds like a robot if you are merely programmed with a new nature. There are only two ways about it, either you have a choice and accept the new program and have the opportunity to reject it, or you are merely forced into it. In any case until you've actually provided any citations to back your claim up it is empty.

[sixkiller111]

sir

Then we are not responsible! Only god is.

[ItsMiiike]

Wow, azsuperman01.. you really are ignorant aren't you? The ONLY way to be sinless is through Jesus Christ, and we have free will to choose to do right or wrong, now, if we have Christ in our hearts all of our sins are forgiven by God, therefore we are not going to hell as long as we do not take advantage of that Grace.. you need to do your research before you go and make a video that makes you look ignorant. ..God Bless.

[sixkiller111]

it's

Ignorant? You should wear a sign. U quote from books that u believe are the inerrant word of god. prove it. Prove the teacings are true. Show how hell id true. Do u know the origin of hell? That it's not even in the Torah.! Y is that do u think? Not a word until the OT.

[jokidlat]

Did Christ die for our sins? What would the government do if the leader of a group is ordering their followers to sell all their properties? Surely, the leader will be persecuted, not for our sins but because he is an anarchist! He was a big threat to the government and economy at that time!

[lotatricy]

hey don't for Get about the whole reason for Jesus

[jokidlat]

Can't you fathom all these? God is having a great time with his creations. See? It's like watching a great movie with a very good plot and a lot of twists. It's not for us humans to enjoy. It's for HIM!

[springchickn]

I can understand where you're coming from, but God isn't standing off, getting jollies out of controlling us. He is distressed in our troubles, & is glad when we triumph, He desires to give us wisdom when we seek it, & will reveal truth when you seek it. Do you want truth and wisdom? Those that love wisdom love their own souls, as the bible says, take that or leave it.  But He's not a control freak. He's complete power & complete patience. A mystery, merciful& not to blame for our ignorance.

[sixkiller111]

jokid..

U R correct, unfortunately. Don't believe that crap about god being distressed ans troubled. He knows exactly what's going to happen, so it's already been happened. But if it's already known by gog, why put us thru it.......in other words, it's all BS!

[WordServant]

Man lost free will at the fall. We are all under sin and death now. Scripture tells us that we can't choose God, or be good, but we are given the gift of faith, through the living word of God.

The problem with your argument is that you assume we all have free will, when in fact, you're proving my point. Your natural hatred for God, will continue to lash out at Him. You can't help hating Him, or anyone who believes in Him.

Your will is in bondage to death, and despair.

[Strider505]

so, what you saying, is that we don't have free will and we are robots, programmed to believe in god or else burn forever in hell

[WordServant]

Predestination is all through the Bible. Christians make the mistake of thinking that they are smarter, or better than everyone else, and that God only lets them into heaven, because they were good enough to believe in Christ.

That's not what Jesus said, nor the rest of the new testament writers.

John 3:27, 5:25, 6:29, 6:39, 6:43-44, 6:64, 8:47, 10:27-29, 15:16, 17:2-6.

Read Romans chapters 8 and 9.

There isn't enough space here to list all the verses.

Most Christians are dead wrong.

[hinakuu]

they all are. the last one died on the cross.

[WordServant]

I would rather be a Christian who was wrong theologically, but trusted in Christ, than someone who discounted Christianity as useless. The chances are, at the end of the former one's life, he will cry out to Jesus for salvation, even if he thinks he has something to do with it.

The atheist doesn't cry out to Jesus, he just cries. Don't blame us if we cry for that person here.

I blame the Christians who feel smug, as if they think they deserve salvation because they are smart enough to choose.

[asdaarg]

WordServant: Choice hasn't got anything to do with being smart, has it? The bible doesn't say you have no free will. Predestination is not incompatible with free will.

[robbourassaguitarist]

The Lord made man with free will. Adam used that free will, and then died to sin, losing his free will, but instead, became a slave to sin and death.

We are all born of the sinful seed, and are slaves to sin, but the Living Word, gave us new life, and we were born again, despite our will, like Lazurus, without will to live, yet, the Word of God spoke, and brought him forth.

Jesus says, "You did not choose me, I chose you". And again, "No one comes to Me, unless the Father draws him nigh".

[asdaarg]

Sure, but free will is the choice in particular of between good and evil. If you can't choose Jesus or can't choose to have a million dollar, it doesn't mean you don't have free will. Evil is not synonymous with sin. You are not morally responsible of something your ancestors did, so you cannot be morally responsible of inherited sin. You can only be morally responsible of something you did of your own free will. Sin refers to transgression of legal responsibility, not moral responsibility.

[robbourassaguitarist]

You are right about free will, concerning day to day choices in our lives.

I am just looking at Scripture, which says, "It is by grace we have been saved, through faith, and this not of ourselves, it is the gift of God"

If faith was a gift, I am not better than anyone else. Some times, Christians can forget the fact that Christ chose us, and they get the idea that He lets us into heaven because we were better than everyone else, or good enough to chose Him.

[asdaarg]

It is a good thing to note that heaven is not merited, however that is not to say it will not matter what we choose to do in life or that one cannot be better than the other. Look at parable of the talents in Matthews 25. The two who perform better will in turn receive twice as much but the one who knew he could do something, but did not, was deemed worthless and cast out and taken even the one talent he had. Read the bible again, it is good for correction.

[sirjames45]

We are speaking of two different things. Jesus parable was for HIS PEOPLE. Yes, if God has saved you, then what you do after that can merit rewards in Heaven. But this if for people who all already going to heaven.

I have been a serious Bible student for many years, and everything I am saying is what Christians have believed historically.

[robbourassaguitarist]

The talents are a metaphor for faith. If you will read it again, you will see that these talents were given to them in the first place, just as faith is given to us.

Read those texts that WordServant gives above. They are hard to deny.

[asdaarg]

The talents were given to them in the first place, so? The slothful servant had the opportunity to invest the money but didn't do it. The master got rid of him precisely because he admitted to know of a way to invest his talent but didn't do so, and he is not praised like the other servants but blamed. This is pretty much contrary to your idea that nobody is better than another.

[sixkiller111]

robb..

And where is the logic and justice in us being cursed for A & E's sin? It doesn't make sense from a god who supposedly teaches compassion and forgiveness!!

[hyoidbone54]

It's not just the Atheist is is it? Billions of the currently living sit in the not-Christ side of the court. Of the dead? At least a couple of billion more, I'd say. Don't cry my dear WordServant, just read the Bible and think. For God's sake think. (I'm a month behind, sorry)

[hyoidbone54]

I notice this is not attached near wordservant's comment. I will figure it out, I promise.

[hyoidbone54]

Come on Man, we can't know whether or not someone beleives in God or not. How and why would I hate an invisible God for which there is no evidence?

How have we learned about "The Fall"? Is there a mounument somewere in Iraq? How far did we fall? When Adam took a bite, did the ground open up? So many questions. Please help me.

[asdaarg]

How does answering those questions help you?

[hyoidbone54]

Hell, I don't recall what I was responding to exactly. It made sense at the time. Thanks for caring.

[poochz1]

Quick bible Summary:

OT = Jews are chosen. Zionist leaders rule the land (If you beat your slave and he doesn't die - it's ok, God says so!)

NT = Obey them (salvation is for the Jew FIRST, then the Goyen) and submit to thier laws (slaves obey your masters) or else...burn forever and ever.

[ChangeEnergyCash]

God is a concept, not a person. The God concept is necessary to teach humanity abstract reasoning. Anyway my response to your video, God=FreeWill. God is Free Will.

[Vogter2100]

Religious people are preprogrammed robots.. nice one ;-)

[Wonko101]

Yet, Christian reader, you WILL accept this same bullshit from your omniscient diety who clearly opposes certain behaviours that it/she/he terms "evil"?

[Wonko101]

Let's say I had complete foreknowledge of 9/11. I knew every part of the plot...the terrorists names, what planes they were going to take, EVERY part of the plot including things that only the terrorists themselves could have known. Yet, I did nothing with this knowledge. After this was revealed, do you think it would be acceptable to a court of law for me to say "well, the terrorists had to be FREE TO CHOOSE"?

[hyoidbone54]

that really is good.  and not just because I say so either.

[pipedream3]

Right on!! In fact, Jesus did not do his own will; he did the will of the Father. And Christians should, too! Unfortunately, most Christians are working too hard protecting their "free will" to listen to the Father's will!!

[AJWalton12]

Good and Evil are human constructs.

Freewill doesn't have to be between good and evil. It could be between two (or more) good choices. God could have given us freewill AND only given us good choices to exercise it on.

[animeisart1]

its called love people. you do things for those you love. if you love you Dad, you do as he tells you. if you don't love your dad. well then you wouldn't do as he told you. duh. doing what the authority figure tells you is not being a robot. its being obedient.

[Celticking36]

asdaarg-can't tell if your atheist or not. "Good" & "Evil" are subjective to the societies they are presented in. Cannabalism amongst certain tribes & animals is a perfectly acceptable form of nourishment where we would consider it "evil". Which makes the bible totally "subjective" to the reader & therefore meaningless.

[asdaarg]

Celticking36- If you define Good and Evil as something subjective or even something can in principle be subjective, we're talking at cross purposes. You may feel disgusted at cannibalism. I don't. There is nothing wrong with cannibalism though, as long as you don't kill the person just to still your hunger, but being disgusted or any other subjective response is simply put insufficient to make it immoral.

[asdaarg]

Psalms 40:8 does not say the law is the will of God. It says "I delight to do Your will, O my God; Your Law is within my heart." so no, I disagree with you right there. Consequently I disagree with your definitions of Good and Evil, and Free will. Consequently we are talking at cross purposes, and the alleged errors are nothing but straw men.

[azsuperman01]

asdaarg - Can you name any part of "the law" that goes against God's will?

How do YOU define Good and Evil? Can something be "Good" and still be contrary to the will of God, or "Evil" and be God's will?

If Freewill isn't the ability to NOT do God's will, then what is freewill? (Keep in mind that without freewill we would ALWAYS do God's will.)

[asdaarg]

1. The question isn't what part that goes against God's will. The question is why every part of God's will has to be part of the law. I'm not saying that any part of the law is against God's will. I'm just saying that verse doesn't say that God's will and law are identical. Even if it is part of God's will, it doesnt' follow that doing anything contrary to the other part is sin. There is a difference between saying X is the ability to do Y, and X is the ability to choose ...

[asdaarg]

2. ... between doing Y or not to do Y. In the latter case it is evident that X is used when one chooses to not do Y, but in the former case it is not. Free will as I have already said, is the ability to choose betweeen doing good and evil. The strict definition would be the ability to make a choice independent of any other causes, however in the realm of choices that are not more or less determined by causes, there is only the choice between good and evil, as good (in this context ...

[asdaarg]

3. ... moral goodness, as opposed to instrumental goodness, which is not what we are talking about) per definition the only value that unconditional and evil is choosing anything contrary to it. FYI Good is good independent of God's will. It doesn't matter what God says, or anyone for that matter, in respect to what is correctly judged to be Good. This is called Metaethical Moral objectivism. If God chooses to do something evil, he is evil, depsite that it is his will. He has ...

[asdaarg]

4. ... the ability to do so, but does not. Lastly a robot cannot be said to be good or evil in any moral sense. If we have no free will, we are neither morally good or evil. It is our ability to do good of our own that makes moral goodness possible.

[tomfrankly]

refreshing off-topic question: is this the kind of music you listen to in your car? you always seem to have some crazy stuff going in your videos..

[azsuperman01]

tomfrankly - Na, this is just something I mixed on my PC.

[slipcurve]

Accept the truth!

You must slay your enemies and die in combat so that you can enter Valhalla. There is no other way, get to it!

[Hamster3107]

one does not need to be "sinless" to gain entrance to heaven, thats impossible since we are born into a sinful world. one must be forgiven, which the bible says is available to anyone who asks of it.......

Big difference there....

[azsuperman01]

Hamster3107 - You can't be "sinless" because it's impossible for you not to use your freewill.

The only reason God needs to forgive you is because you have used your will instead of following his.

He'll forgive you for using your freewill, IF you believe a specific story before you die... otherwise he won't forgive you for anything.

[hughdiock]

Again, freewill is as much a myth as you claim God is. Can you even cite a verse that mentions "freewill" in the scriptures? Don't hurt yourself looking too long....Actually, I take that back. Do take a long time. You may learn something.

[quietAtheist20]

you can multiply the complaining deaths by like i don't know...... 124565 times. But i thought god knows what i'm going to do before i do it? he set a plan out before anything right?

[plato12000]

Adam and Steve were set up to fail - for Gawd's sadistic amusement. If Gawd has knowledge of the future then we do NOT have free will. Gawd already knows every action and choice we will make before we are born. Our lives are predetermined. We are like runners jumping over hurdles ( placed in our way by Gawd for his amusement ). He already knows the outcome of the race. We might as well be robots.

[plato12000]

That Gawd guy planted a garden with a tree of knowledge in it and then told Adam and Steve that they must not eat the fruit of the tree. Then Satan ( another of Gawd's creations ) tempted Steve and encouraged him to eat the fruit and persuade Adam to eat some too. Then Gawd got really pissed with Adam and Steve and banished them from the garden for all time.

If Gawd is all knowing, then he has knowledge of the future. He knew what Adam and Steve would do before he put them in the garden.

[satan203]

Put on some gospel music and do the robotdance everybody! Amen:)

[WIzDum82]

test

[WIzDum82]

az-"If I do everything you tell me,I'm using your will-not my own."Thats not true,if was my will to your will.I could choose to do as you asked; A)I use my freewill.I could choose NOT to do as you asked; B)I use my freewill. You wre right the first time when you said"Freewill is the ability to choose between good and evil.Many are mistaken when they think that freewill is the ability to choose to accept Christ and they become saved.We have the ability to choose good/evil and we all choose evil.

[raramstad]

from now on i'm going to click on your advertisements just to give you money =)) help a brother out you know! good vid, i found it a bit hard to follow...but it's still good

[cain825]

Why would an all loving god give us free will and then punish us for doing what we want? That makes no sense whatsoever!

[Arrada101]

because...he isn't real. An imaginary figure can be the biggest douche ever...because we create gods out of our own image, ya dig?

[cain825]

I agree 100%

[standev1]

That's because you are using conventional logic, not the Christian logic. :)

[wwwFamilyPrideOrg]

Your a Hot looing fool of an Atheist all the money is in Tax Free Organised Religion having a Sky Daddy is comforting.

[timdeal]

I love the music you're using, what is it???

[ColoradoMikeyS]

Consider a belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so that he can remove from your soul an evil force that is present in humanity because a woman made out of a rib was tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake from a magical tree.

Makes perfect sense, no?

[BOX5500]

People were created for a specific purpose. Does one want to follow God in His plan and purpose or not? Freewill allows for genuine love or hate. God makes it clear throughout the pages of the Bible that without Him we are nothing - Isaiah 2:22. He considers sinful man a self corrupted creation and one day He's going to have to put out the garbage. But He's been offering a recovery package for some time now and has been waving it in the faces of man for years, yet they refuse! Garbage or Glory?

[Cootabux]

BOX

And so even though we have free will, we can't use it bcuz god is holding a hell-gun to our heads. We don't have to do anything terrible to get a trip to the torture room. All we have to do is ignore religion and just live uot our lives. We can be Mother Theresa and it makes n diff. We are doomed to be rortured, or the second death. Both acts are vile and evil unto themselves. So if we don't act like the robot, and forget free will, we will one day receive god's wrath!!

How sick is that?

[adamisthereinventer]

God created guns Im assuming, religious nuts have been killing eachother with them, I say god made guns for the Atheists, to take you out, yes sounds right to me.

[BOX5500]

Of course it sounds right to you - you have no idea what you are talking about. Is that a THREAT adamisthereinventer? By the way that should be THEIR.

[adamisthereinventer]

Yes its a threat what did you think it was? Catholics and theyre many denominations have made it very clear they arent stepping aside. We will have freedom from religion one way or another. And thank you every now and again I mix my Theyre There Theirs and I know my name is spelt with an E but dont get too proud your name is BOX5500

[adamisthereinventer]

Catholicism is the purist form of christianity, and Im not one to debate religion because I know its purpose and I know its outcome.

[BOX5500]

Wrong again - Catholicism is the most corrupt form of Christianity and was given birth by the Beast (The Roman Empire). Emperor Constantine made the Pope God.

[adamisthereinventer]

You should probably look into the birth of Christianity lol (i mean the one in reality) It wasnt around until 1500 years ago and youll find out why.

[BOX5500]

I have looked into it. You're wrong again. It's been over 2000 years. Since the birth of Christ.

[adamisthereinventer]

No actually. See the reason it was not spoken of until around 490 something a.d is because Jesus never existed, it was cooked up as a political device to unite. It sprung out of Catholicism, both of which are bizarre and outlandish. Out of reality, mostly out of touch, ever evolving. Blah blah blah we all know what good bullshitters Christians are, even you.

[BOX5500]

adamisthereinventer: I think that's enough off topic "bullshit" from you on this video.

[loturos]

but we know free will doesnt even exist, whether there is a god or not. law of cause and effect, people. a person's decisions are the product of their genetics and environment.

[Pr0zaxX]

That is what I always say:

A man choses a slave obeys.

[julzabro]

THANK YOU for this! Soooo many arguments and confusion about freewill and here u sum it up quite simply. I will b referring many people to this video! Bravo!

[zekest]

The devil does not like this video. That is what I chose to hear. So is this freewill?

[VColossalV]

awesome

[slysci5]

now thts a nice way to put a vice grip on the notion that if god were real and rele cared for us and didnt want us to go to hell he would give us free will. great work dude very interesting stuff

[crappyshitbrain]

perfect explenation and examples

thx

[lazyperfectionist1]

Awesome music.

[giorio7414]

as always u hit the nail on the hand lol so 2 speak...

[U4godlike]

I dont think we have free will... But still great video :)

[punnet2]

I choose to agree with you

[pepupapi]

Nice one.

[dreamy2]

I agree with you.