-singing reggae in spanish and came out with dis plena or reggae en espanol and it caught on, like chicho man, nando boom and el general to name a few.. then it started being accepted in panamanian kulcha now yuh hear panamanians of non engish west indian descent getting inna di spanish dancehall reggae scenes..
alot of ppl dem argue about spanish latino and jamaican reggae ting but allot of dem get their information wrong yea der r jamaican populations in some parts spanish speaking latino countries that introduced reggae to dem.. when jamaican and other english west indian started coming over to panama to build di panama canal dem man deh brought their culture over here so with dem and di original panamainians were discriminating english speaking west indian at dat time. and later on some started-
@rock858965, para que quieres saber el nombre del riddim? para despues buscarlo desesperadamente en los foros y descargarlo entonces luego venir a youtube a subirlo a tu canal en mala calidad echandotelas de que lo tienes? dominicano de mierda, usted sigue esto por moda. Lo unico que haces es buscar instrumentales de dancehall y subirlas en tu basura de canal titulandolo como reggaeton vieja escuela. Usted hace 7 anos atras no sabias ni lo que era dancehall hasta que te enteraste por internet.
Dem Bow and Son Bow are di best. Big ups jamaica and puerto rico from panama. One question tho..when are you p.ricans gonna get a new riddim? honestly
@TCraig00, there are plenty of songs with other riddims, they just don't get airplay on the radio. It's a shame, because people assume that we just don't use any other riddims when in fact we do, but that music gets overshadowed and overlooked by the monopoly that has been created in the media. If its not Dem Bow, they don't play it. It''s not our fault, it's the people running the radio stations and other media outlets.
@TCraig00, exactly...its a dirty business...they realized that the Dem Bow drum pattern was very marketable around the world among latinos as well as fans of urban musc in general. So they decided to capitalize on that by inundating the market with that particular riddim and at the same time closing doors to versatile artistes and producers who actually used variety. Because of this, the Dacehall Reggae movement has remained underground in Puerto Rico, very unfortunate.
El jahlionpr nos gustaria ir a PR a ver ese dancehall que hablas yo estuve viviendo en PR en el 92 y nunca escuche nada de lo que hablas al contrario yo tenia mis casettes de reggae en español con nando boom,chicho man,ect y los ponia en la barberia donde trabajaban winsin y yandel alla en cayey y ellos en su vida habian escuchado algo asi! .. Ohh! Espera los demas tienen que sacar visa de los Estados Unidos se me olvidaba que ustedes son colonia americana
@obed1973, bueno es que en el 92 gente como "chicho man" y muchos otros artistas de Panama no eran muy conocidos en PR...los unicos que realmente pegaron una que otra en PR fueron Nando Boom y El General...so honestamente no era un momiviento cultural grande en PR, pero eso de que NADIE sabia lo que era dancehall es un comentario ridiculo, porque en el 1992 el mismo Playero 37 estaba pegao entre la juventud de PR y en el 94 salio la version editada en las tiendas, asi que de que hablas?
Shabba is definetly the winner because he is the orginator of dembow and el general just copied shabba ranks and one more thing for all you people that think the dembow beat was started in panama it wasn't it was started in Jamaica
Wrong again, Puerto Rico has a lot more to offer than just "girls", we have a very colourful culture here in the island...year-round carnivals and festivities in different towns, great food, great vibes, friendly people, beautiful beaches, rain forest, caves, bio-luminescent rivers, genuinely nice people man...its messed up that you can just sit there and ignorantly criticize and hate on an entire island of people just because you have some small-minded view of it...don't be so damned ignorant.
this song is proof that panamanians DO copy other people, how the hell do you still have the balls to diss Puerto Ricans for doing the same? Puerto Rico isn't fake, its funny how you could talk all that shit on a computer, but you wont step one foot inside the ghetto in Puerto Rico, every country has crime, every country has violence, thats nothing to be proud of...don't talk about what you don't know, you've never been to the humble places here in my island...we have good people here.
Exactly...so in other words, if anyone deserves credit for so-called "reggaeton" its Jamaicans to begin with...cause if it wasn't for that same fact that you just stated, reggae wouldn't have popped off in panama in the first place...panama used to be part of Colombia before they separated and the U.S. got envolved to construct the panama canal after the french failed...before that, reggae wasn't a part of panamanian culture...so there u go.
correction: they brought calypso to Panama. Reggae did not come about until they saw what their cousins back in the West Indies weere doing. Keep in mind reggae is a relatively new genre: late 50's
late 50's wasn't reggae in jamaica. it was era when the sound systems were taking over pushing Mento on a side. and all jamaicans sound systems at that time were playing the latest american R&B, and rock and roll songs that jamaicans brought with them when they were in the US mostly from the southern states. the 60's jamaicans came out with SKA during the first half of the 60's (JA independence), then rocksteady in the second half of 60's, and dub and reggae in the 70's, and in 1978 Dancehall.
whats up man. yeah its no secret that panamanians have traced, translated jamaican songs, and stole slogans from jamaican artist. it still goes on today with only a few of them panamanians take style and slogans from Movado, Vybz Kartel, Serani etc. its sad. they should look up to veterans like El Roockie: 100% original from the beginning to this day. Latin Fresh (even he is more rap/hip hop) El Rasta Kafu Banton and todays generations like Kenny Man, El Kid, Psyco
@jahlionpr Yo don't sweet these motherfuckers no more man They would never understand what u r trying to teach them They r fucking ignorants that feel they been rape because something they started they couldn't finish. We already accepted that because we had no way 2 contact them back in the 90s 2 have them come 2 PR and perform @ ours clubs & parties we followed theirs steps and did the same as them for all of our people enjoyment We did it so good that we have made a new music genre
Estoy de acuerdo en que todo viene del dance hall de jamaica, luego los panameños lo hicieron en español y pues los puertorriqueños lo hicieron mas comercial, pero en lo personal el ritmo de panama me gusta mas, los tipos como que se van mas a las raices y te llega mas el ritmo, ami me encanta el rookie(buena catedra).
the flaco is right nothing made in puerto rico has been fundamentally started in puerto rico, they take other countries music formats and slightly change it salsa and raeggaetton neither belong to them, unoriginal fucks
Bullshit, I guess you've never heard of "Bomba y Plena" which has african elements but was developed in Puerto Rico, and obviously you've never heard of la musica jibara de Puerto Rico...for example el "aguinaldo jibaro"...la "danza puertorriquena"...hell...there's so many different folkloric riddims within our island..."la mazurca puertorriquena"...but of course, since you don't know shit about Puerto Rican culture, its easy for you to talk shit...panamanians copy jamaicans too so fuck you.
its not called stealing its called culture spreading. the culture of reggae and dancehall flood latin america they liked it and wanted to do somthing like it i call it embracing
Culture Spreading? Embracing? I can see where you coming from, but if they were truly embracing the culture, then why do they go around claiming that this music was originated in panama instead of stating the truth? Why do they hypocritically criticize other hispanics for doing reggae in spanish when the panamanians themselves do the same? If its all about "spreading culture"...why are so many people clueless about the origins of this music? I'm not buying it...no disrespect.
na cuz alot of jamaicans were in panama to work on the canel and stayed there and also moved there wit halot of black influnces so black panamanians would sing dancehall and do amature dj-ing and the reason why they dont state the truth i have no clue maybe pride but if it wasent for jamica none of this would be around he clearly sounds liek super cat while singing in spanish
Panama is not the only hispanic country dat had West Indian immigration, ever heard of Bluefields, Nicaragua? They have a huge afro-caribbean population...Honduras also has west indian communities, Costa Rica same way...and surpriiiise, Puerto Rico does have areas with large numbers of Afro-Caribbean people, next time you visit Puerto Rico, take a little trip off the beaten path and check towns like Loiza, Rio Grande, Canovanas, Luquillo...you might be surprised.
yeah i heard about those from my fried nhes from nica on the east coast he said they live in nica do you have any of the pr dancehall that would be sick to hear
you are from Honduras? yeah i remember artist like Shabakhan, Arzu, Marcony, La Diva. Most of central america and colombia have have West Indian descendents.
@jahlionpr hey jahlionpr me tienes que llevar a PR pa conocer mas de PR y del reggae y dancehall boricua de los lugares de Loiza, Rio Grande, Luquillo etc. porque solo ponene a los pendejos de daddy yankee, wisin y yandel, don omar. de hoy en dia admiro mucho a Tego, Calle 13, Eddie Dee, y el veterano Vico. y la era del undergorund: Chezina, Rey pirin etc.
@jahlionpr look do you have a problem with panama or what? stfu already, hop of our dicks. you been all over dis comment section basically debunking that we started spanish reggae, and dat 4 the most part we are the MAIN link between spanish and afrocaribbean music. i say main because unlike blue fields, corn islands, costa rica, and ect ; we have a strong music outlet. if puerto rico could do da same y dint they? cuz there shit is more watered dwn. n yur own ppl give su credit so yur irrelavent
@FullSwagSyceGame507, our shit is watered down these days because they are commercially marketing themselves for regions that do not truly follow afro-caribbean culture, you think I'm proud of that? Obviously not, I give Panama credit for following the movement, nobody is "on your dicks" but I'm also sick and tired of hypocrite Panamanians like you who have a problem with Puerto Ricans doing spanish reggae because apparently YOU are the only ones who have the right to do so, which is bullshit.
@jahlionpr man i think its a global thng, cuz da same shit is happenin in panama, Jamaica and america. most of the time si don't even listen to plena any more i have listen to all Jamaica. btw i dont have a problem with ricans doing ANYTIN. idc, i dont live in pr nor do i kno many ricans, i dnt listen 2 pr music so idgf. i did use 2 listen 2 reggaeton back wen it was melaza, i loved it but i started hatin it a couple years ago. n we never said we r da only ones who can do so
@FullSwagSyceGame507, you personally might not have said we don't have a right to, but hundreds of panamanians here on youtube have, I've heard them say, "stick to bomba y plena" or constantly attacking us saying that we "stole" THEIR music, and thats when I'm like: "whoa who whoa whoa, stole???" thats where I have a problem with it, cause how come when they sing reggae, its "cultural appreciation" and "we are descendants" but if we do it, its just "stealing"? you see what I'm saying?
@jahlionpr i feel wht u saying. bt understand at sum point in da 90's we were making the same music, we had our songs playin at da same clubs n etc. many dint call it reggaeton it was jus reggae. da anger many have towards yall cums from back in 2004 wen yall made it 2 mainstream yall claimed it for ya selves n dint giv us props or give our artists respect whn yall did shows in panama. yall din't help out all latinos it was a private rican party. das cool jus dnt get mad wen we dnt fuck wit ya
@FullSwagSyceGame507, oh we didn't give u props? In 2005 they made a CD/DVD documentary called Chosen Few: El Documental and the enitre first half of the documentary is bigging up Panama and Jamaica for the influence, so what in the world are you talking about? Artistes like Latin Fresh, El Rookie, Pocho Pan, Kafu Banton and many others have been featured in PR albums over the last few years...what more do you want bredda? A national ceremony? There is no excuse for the animosity mi son.
@FullSwagSyceGame507, and Puerto Rico did have a strong music outlet when it came to dancehall, bu that was in the 90s, but due to greed and the monopoly that has been created by certain individuals, our dancehall has been suppressed, slowly but surely the movement is coming back, its not going to be easy because apparently everybody is against that comeback, including Panamanians like you who believe we have no right to be singing dancehall reggae in spanish, because YOU are the "creators" smh.
@jahlionpr slim yu seriously needa stop telling me how i feel, and how Panamanians think. da only thing Panamanians dont like is da fact dat ricans over use dem bow, da dancehall dat we hear from yall isn't da underground stuff yur tlkn abt. its da corny shit we hear on da radio n we hate it. n its reali corny wen yall artist try n sound like a spanish super cat weneva dey try n do dancehall...come on its 2010. i give respect certain artists do, tego calderon, caller 13, dela ghetto, a few more
@FullSwagSyceGame507, I have not met every single panamanian, but PLENTY of them here on youtube judge us, criticize us and talk about what we do and don't know, try and tell me about my island and telling me reggae didn't exist in PR before 1990 and talk mad shit about us here on youtube, so why are you acting like I'm being unreasonable for sticking up for my people? Am I just supposed to sit back and smile at all the bullshit your people write? Hate me if you want, u got ur opinions? so do I.
@FullSwagSyceGame507 nosotros inventamos el regueton chucha de tu madre el dembo nacio aqui en panama y fue creado exclusivamente por nosotros ningun jamaicano ni ningun puertomierdero puso mano en esto peguntale a ramon bustamante el creador del dembo si no sabes no hables you know how we roll
yo no soy persona de insultar a nadie pero cuando me insultan a mi, yo tiro alfrente y no termino hasta ver sangre. te quedo feo lo de puertomierdero so cabron infeliz. y que decir que ramon bustamante invento el dembow, silo que ese mamabicho hizo fue traducir lo mejor que pudo toda la letra de la cancion original de shabba ranks y darsela a fernando brown (nando boom) para que la cantara. hasta el ritmo completo copio ni tansiquiera usaron samples del mismo y dejaron la pista correr igual
enfermo de amor tambien es otro tema traducido con el ritmo copiado exacto tal la version original. lamentablemente en estos momentos me falla la memoria de quien es el cantante jamaiquino quien canta la version en ingles o mejor dicho patoise que es el verdadero nombre del dialecto jamaiquino que predomina en la isla. so que la proxima vez que vayas a opinar si no tienes nada constructivo de que hablar al menos usa un buen lenguaje al referirte a otras gente, alcornoque imbecil.
@marv4976 Enfermo de amor es " night nurse" de gregory Isaac. Shabba ranks hizo famoso a " el general" con tu talento y aquel empezo a encajar letras en castellano que rimaran con la lirica del otro y asi asi
@jahlionpr Basically, they aren't "recent" West Indian immigrants. Even though they are African descent, their ethnicity would be Latin or Afro-Latin and not Afro-Caribbean. They speak spanish an(d) or an African dialect. They do share a similar culture and style of cooking. Bay Islanders (Hond) had more English influence, which ties us closer to other West Indian cultures. However the Guarifunas and Bluefields had more Latin or Spanish influence. The African heritage is what make us all one.
@jahlionpr you're right to a point. However, some of Bluefields ppl have been there over 200 to 300 years. So they aren't considered "Caribbean" per se. I am from Honduras so I know the history. The Bay Islands "Roatan" ppl are descendants of the Cayman Islands (the whites and blacks). Then there are the Garifuna, or Caribs that were sent to Roatan from St Vincent and Dominica in like the late 1700s or early 1800s. These people migrated to the mainland of Honduras, Belize and Guatemala.
The same way panamanians claim their aritstes are west indian descendants, I can give you examples of our own, Bigga Demus, born in Antigua, raised in PR...Horny Man & Panty Man (used to live in St.Croix and currently reisde in Rio Grande, Puerto Rico)...Nene Ganja as well....Baby Cat is half Jamaican...we also have artistes who have family from St.Thomas such as Delirious and Newtone...Snoopy D. was Jamaican as well as Likkle One...many Dominican aritstes as well...99% of people dont know dis.
@jahlionpr hey si men yo me acuerdo de Bigga Demus durante la era del underground, tambien horny man y pany man en la series de the noise. que habra pasado con esa gente?
@donone10, Bigga Demus anda concentrado en el Reggae Roots, de vez en cuando hace algo de reggaeton para variar pero como dije, bien enfocado en el reggae y cada rato lo veo en presentaciones por ahi...Panty Man viene con un comeback bueno ahora junto a Nico Canda y se rumora que Playero DJ se va a activar de nuevo...pero mira el comentario de "obed1973" primero dice que el vivia en PR en el 92 y la gente no sabia lo que era dancehall, pero Playero 37 salio en la calle en el 92 lol (no sense)
maybe they critizize other hispanics cuz reggaeton sounds like shyt all this modern crap they sing from puerto rican influnces but panamanians are more spanish reggae then pop reggaeton of peurto rico so maybe thats why they beefing
Hold up, you are painting it like the only thing Puerto Rico has to offer is "commerical pop", just so you know, Puerto Rico does have a Dancehall Reggae scene which has nothing to do with Wisin y Yandel nor any of those so-called reggaepop artistes you see on MTV, you are assuming dat our "reggaeton" artistes are the representers of PR's dancehall...dead wrong...our dancehall scene is not mainstream, so unfortunately people get the wrong idea cause they don't even know about its existence.
oh i never knew that i assumed that, that was the true reggaeton becuase the hispanics where i live around never introduced me to that before but i searched it up and your right my bad bout that it makes sense
Dude, we don't hear in the states half the Panama Raggae . click JR Ranks, Eddie Lover fet Factoria and Jimy bad boy, those guys are taking the spanish raggae to another level, mixing tipico from Panama, Socca, ragge and Hatian music ,by the ways the actual drum background from Dembow is tamborito and its our florkloric rythim. they play a lot in the carnival with the murgas ..
Un plagio muy claro de general, ademas hay muchas musicas del q son original dlos jamaiquinos, pero hay q reconocer q el general es maestro el reguetton se lo deve a el y a vico c
no se le puede reconocer nada al general, el retomó el dem bow (titulo de una canción original) de shabba ranks de los ochenta, aún, más de una canción son plagios insolentes. Ahí está el pare el cual es una simple traduccion de the stopper de cutty ranks. Y como esa varias. Aunque duela reconocerlo
En BLuefields, NIcaragua hacemos Dancehall en Patois(english like Jamaica) y junto con otros idiomas. Desde hace mucho tiempo, antes que PR, pero no somos populares porque no somos muchos en USA.
Cont. Podias conseguir una copia por $5 o 10. En los Residenciales Publicos (AKA Caserios) Fue alli donde esto se mesclo. Solo que they only spoke about chingar, fumar, y matar.... lol. Por eso era para mucho como de la chusma segun Donya Florinda. Jaja.. Oh clase baja.. Pero el govierno no pudo con el ritmo pegajoso... Y ahora tienen hasta anuncios en reggaeton!!! Jaja.. Para el orgullo Boriqua... todo esto paso en lo humilde de Puertorro! Gracias Dios. Este es mi granote de arena sobre esto.
Pero la verdad es que los Puertoricans sacaron alfrente al Dembow in Spanish.. Never the less, tambien en Panama tenian unos reggetoneros... No se su historia muy bien. Pero si le preguntas a cualquira que alla estado en PR cuando todo comenzo, te dirian que nunca jamas imaginarian que el reggeton llegara hasta aqui. Y mucho menos ser tocado por Univicion en comerciales. Porque el reggeton era inlegal, cuando fue mesclado con el rap en "underground".El govierno de PR lo prohivio. To be conti...
la historia esta en wikipedia, el dem bow en realidad deriva de la canción el mismo nombre, original de shabba ranks, es la base del reggaeton. Busca shabba ranks y tendrás la historia del reggaetón :)
La verdadera base ritmica del reggaeton se llama Pounda. el ritmo Pounda viene de la cancion jamaiquina que lleva el mismo nombre interpretado por Sleepy Wonder y Bobo General creado por Dennis the Menace; El mismo quien ha trabajado con El General, Nando Boom y otros panamenos. el ritmo de la cancion de shabba ranks : dem bow se llama Pocomanjam creado por Steely and Cleavie con Bobby Digital en 1990. Lo que lees en wikipedia esta incorrecto. creame amigo mio.
x fin alguien dice lo cierto todos piensan k la base del reggaeton viene xactamente de la cacnion de shabba ranks y pero le dicen dembow por que la cancion del nando boom y en utliza la misma melodia de la cancion pero el riddim es el pounda como dice donone10 .
acaso el dembow k utilzan todos es semejante a la base de la cancion de shabba ranks ,no, ademas a todos lo k lleve ese bendito riddim lo llaman reggaeton aunque se deberia llamar raggamuffin pero webon es otra historia XD
Verdaderamente me sorprende que alguien que aparentemente conoce de reggae no tenga bien la información. Me parece certero que ubiques a Bobby digital como un gran contributor del género, (el fue el productor de shabba, supercat, ninjaman ya en los 90, no antes), por ende sabrás que es jamaiquino por ende, el reggaeton le debe todo a jamaica, no a panamá ni a haití ni demás imitadores que salieron al paso. El reaggaeton nació influenciado por el dancehall, no hay otra.
jejeje Bobby digital comenzo su carrera trabajando con King Jammys como ingeniero durante los 80's y bobby se concentro en los primeros anos de carrera musical de Shabba Despues Shabba se fue a trabajar con Gussie Clarke y Clifton Secialist Dillon. Shabba se llevo 2 grammys en la categoria best reggae album Bobby trabajo ninjaman. Supercat trabajo con Winston Riley, Robert Livingston, Steely and Cleavie. Tony Kelly, Andrew Haupaul. Y el mismo Supercat es tambien productor.
La version de Bobby Digital tambien se usaba bastante lo que pasa es que el Pounder fue el que vino a pegar cuando se comercializo en los estados unidos...y fijate, en el disco de shabba dice 1990 pero hay copias que dicen 1989 y tambien llegue a verlo cantarlo en vivo antes de eso...lo que pasa es que cuando hacen "re-issues" aveces ponen la fecha del presente, pero se supone que le pongan la fecha del "original release" pero pues, que se puede hacer..el Pounder si salio en el 90..ese si.
jejejejeje equivocao de nuevo. he vivido el genero desde mucho antes de su underground y antes de que el general pensara en agarrar el mic. y coleeciono reggae y dancehall mi estimado. y dejame decirte que lo informacion que dice en wikipedia es falsa en cuanto al ritmo.
Te recuerdo que dembow se editó por pow wow records en 1987, cuando la canción tenía fácilmente 8 años sonando en el underground que tanto desestimas. Por mi arráncatela no me va a quitar el sueño que vivas equivocado. Y creo que ni siquiera eres capaz de distinguir un sarcasmo por lo de wikipedia. Por eso te sugerí investigar sobre shabba. Y para el otro desubicado, no es pounda, es punanny rithm, y raggamuffin no es un ritmo, es el nombre que recibe el que intepreta la canción.
JAJAJAJA disque dem bow se edito en 1987. mira deja de estar fumando esa coca. y hable serio. dem bow salio en 1990 por shabba ranks en su cd just reality. antes de eso no hubo ningun dem boe edito. uds si que esta bien desubicao pequeno saltamontes. y otra cosa tus gente boricuas agradecen a Panama por traer el genero a tu isla hasta el mismo Vico C lo ha dicho. Tego, voltio, ivy queen, tito, daddy yankee y su idolo es Nando Boom. hasta el mismo Big Boy.
Cont..... Pero, Puerto Rico salio con dembow right after Panama.... Y despues, El General se desaparecio por un buen tiempo, y nunca mas pego igual.. Entoces es justo decir que Puerto Rico expandio el dembow y no Panama. Fue en Puerto Rico que el Dembow en Spanish se continuo cocinando y se termino de cocinar. Gracias Africa, Panama, Puerto Rico y ahora todo los demas. No ahy razon porque pelearse.. la verdad es justa. Ademas que ni el General, ni Shabba ni Vico me pagan las deudas..... Cont.
For real for real...No recuerdo muy bien. Si el General Salio primero que Vico C en total...o Si Vico Salio primero y despues el General fue le primero que salio con Dembow in Spanish.. And I think that's what happened....cause I remember listening to rap 1rst and then dembow.. So Ok.. Panama salio con el dembow in Spanish and not rap in Spanish before any other Latin country....BUT, but... To be continued....
Continuacion.... So in that case it wasn't an original beat from Panama, Pero Ok, se le da eso al General. Cool! Panama el primero con dembow en Spanish.. Since General is from there. But just as General was coming.. Vico C ya estaba cocinando musica con los Jamaiquinos. Solo El general Salio primero... Y Vico empezo con rap en Spanish. Yo lo vivi y nadie me lo conto! Primero salio Dj Ruben con "La escuela" Y Vico right behind him.... To be continued.......
Chill out everybody..... Jamaica is been playing dembow (reggaeton) for ever! Like my Puerto Rico and Salsa...Many salseros in PR.. desde siempre.. Shabba just made it to the US media before anybody else.. Humanly speaking we can thank Africa for all this beats. 2nd. El general obviamente se lo copio a Jamaica and was the first known to sing it in spanish.... To be continued....
This is just Dancehall in Spanish. He was crucial cause he and others introduced to the Latin world Reggae music and Dancehall. Which over time, transformed to Reggaeton when mixed with Hip-Hop and some Salsa.
Free youtube country? interesting....lol..its funny how you told me to hop off your dick but when I told you to fuck off cause nobody invited you here, you came crying like a lil bitch cause I told your ignorant ass the truth...tremendo "rude buay"...you should be da last one to talk about "fake azz dudes"...you got like a dozen youtube accounts just to give me thumbs down cause you can't handle da truth and you'd rather hide it, like di truth about Jamaica being the real fathers of Reggaeton.
lolllllllllllll wordd!! fake azz dude thinks hes hard on youtube !!!!! lolol educated who told u that would stupid @ZZ family like u be out nobody want u here!!!!! be out!!!!!! bye hater!!!!
i invite myself anywhere i want what u gonna do about it? lololol focking internet thug oooooooooo if u where here i make u my lil bytch faggot and have u working for me ----talk about educated u stupid!!! lol u made u believe that lie f@g lololol please keep it coming you where the first 2 comment on my Shyt are u retarted stupid what tell me please just admit it already!!!! lol nobody cares what u half 2 say b so just one yourself 2 looking at gay vids on youtube! lolol u a joke payasooo!!!
Internet thug? and you a di one weh calls himself panama "rude buay" pon di internet?? lol..hypocrite..typical ignorant yute dat have no real world respect and yuh haffi come pon youtube and gwaan like you a badman..talkin bout "if u where here I'd have u workin for me" nigga please, like you're Scarface or some shit like dat..everytime you talk you make yourself look even dumber and I didn't know dat was possible..if nobody cares what I have to say, den why you keep responding? stupid bitch
lol you must be gay u give where dumb place u stay at the worse name so get off my d!ck and move along cabron! where u get that weak comback your lil sister fagg@t lol
Bitch, nobody was talkin 2 you over here in da 1st place..so in dat case, you can hop off MY DICK...cause nobody invited you over here, but since you watchin me so much (you must be a batty man)....readin all my comments...you are my FOLLOWER (estas pendiente a todo lo mio)...mama bicho..este se cree que por ponerse el nombre "rude buay" es un gangsta o algo asi haha...faggot....you will nevah be smart, articulate, educated...cause your an ignorant ass punk..and dats all you'll ever be.
No, FUCK YOU.....its not my fault dat you're an ignorant piece of shit...dis video itself proves where reggaeton originiate's from...its people like you dat give Panama a bad name....big up all di well educated Panamanians.
Yeah...we'll stick to Salsa and you can stick to Vallenato..after all, Panama used to be part of Colombia ;-) and blacks are a minority in Panama...thank God for Colon, Panama, cause if not, your country would just be full of mestizos like yourself.
What part part of Panama u from? U crazy. U must not be from Panama. Blacks are a minority in Panama. U must be a racist from Colombia. OMG. U made laugh today. And it is sunday. Thank you, u made my day with ur stupid commment.
First of all, I've had to deal with people telling me that all Puerto Ricans are white....I've had people here on youtube tell me that people in Puerto Rico did not know what Reggae was before 1992 and the almighty "Nando Boom" had to come teach us what it iwas, I've had people tell me "Puerto Ricans don't have Caribbean Culture"...I've seen people on here say the Dem Bow was born in Panama although everyone knows its from Jamaica...so don't talk to me about stupid comments.
flacofun, when I said blacks are a minority, I didn't mean there are only two or three scattered around...I know about several communities..but check the facts...if you take di population size..blacks are not the majority still..even tho they are a large minority...Mestizos and other mixed people make up a larger part..you have to understand dat my comment was in response to someone who knows nothing about dancehall and who said "stick to salsa" as if we were a bunch of "jibaros".
No no no no Colon is not the only place where you see blacks in Panama. a lot of blacks in the province of Panama, Bocas del Toro, Darien, and a few in other provinces. Before the construccion of Colon blacks where already here in Panama. the birth of Colon started with the construccion of the railroad coneccting Atlanttic and Pacific during the California Gold Rush. The other group of blacks came from the West Indies. working for the railroad, United Fruit Company, Post Office and the Canal.
Yow bless up donone10...you are right, there are more places than just Colon...I knew about Bocas too...me have people deh...but di comment I made came from di yute saying "stick to salsa" and all dat bullshit...you know how di people dem a chat fuckry...but nuff a dem come and try and claim like Panama is a Jamaica part 2 or something...dats like di Nicaraguans who claim di whole country is like Bluefields...there is more too it dan di rastas and ghettos in di videos..big up still.
nigga yuh got no conects in panama u a biity buay a rumaclot a bladdclutt me from panama blattyyy u know how we rulee buaiiiii pty 507 i fuck niggaz fi life 507 bombo clot tell dem mi ancesters are jamaican i tink so yah me a bridring billit biiiillit booom blaaat
yo know whats sad is that panamanians like japanese the late danger man murder cat are sooooo pirates man : they even steal the slogans of jamaican artist: Up to the crime is from Vybz Kartel, Gangsta for life and Anyway from Movado, You know how we roll from Ward 21, bullet bullet from Bounty Killer. I mean you have to be unique and come with your own man; Look at Collie Buddz the guy is so unique, same with veteran Buju, legandaries Ninjaman and Supercat.
Collie Buddz is funny tho...cause he's American and he was raised in Bermuda...but you know what? People from Bermuda don't have dat heavy heavy Caribbean accent he uses...I don't mind it when he sings with di accent...cause its Reggae and it would sound funny wid di watered down bermy accent, but he should at least keep it real in di interviews and not be like: "yea mon, dun know, yea mon" every 2 seconds in an interview..if u realize..Sean Kingston sounds american in his interviews at least.
he is old school but he is still good past and present and future he will always be good singer
123Gomezr 3 weeks ago
Both good tunes. There were probably 20 remakes of this beat at the time if not more.
jabmalassie 3 months ago
shit esto si es old schoold tsssss claro psssss
lshinohara 9 months ago
Belize in the spot!
riddimdriven12 9 months ago
como se llama la pelicula???? graciassss
anahimiwera 9 months ago
@anahimiwera Shottas
BoyGWonder 5 months ago
-singing reggae in spanish and came out with dis plena or reggae en espanol and it caught on, like chicho man, nando boom and el general to name a few.. then it started being accepted in panamanian kulcha now yuh hear panamanians of non engish west indian descent getting inna di spanish dancehall reggae scenes..
BantonRanks7 10 months ago
alot of ppl dem argue about spanish latino and jamaican reggae ting but allot of dem get their information wrong yea der r jamaican populations in some parts spanish speaking latino countries that introduced reggae to dem.. when jamaican and other english west indian started coming over to panama to build di panama canal dem man deh brought their culture over here so with dem and di original panamainians were discriminating english speaking west indian at dat time. and later on some started-
BantonRanks7 10 months ago
whatever you wanna say ...i can watch that jamaican chich in the black do the same move all day...n im chinese!!!
petey75nyc 11 months ago
where was slavery bought to first... thats the answer ...this an african beat, bet you both are american!!!
petey75nyc 11 months ago
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guayacan07 1 year ago
the video's from Shottas! lol Sick. Porque el General no fue original? :(
eXcLuESiVe 1 year ago
what is the riddim of son bow >??????? can somebody tell me
rock858965 1 year ago
@rock858965, para que quieres saber el nombre del riddim? para despues buscarlo desesperadamente en los foros y descargarlo entonces luego venir a youtube a subirlo a tu canal en mala calidad echandotelas de que lo tienes? dominicano de mierda, usted sigue esto por moda. Lo unico que haces es buscar instrumentales de dancehall y subirlas en tu basura de canal titulandolo como reggaeton vieja escuela. Usted hace 7 anos atras no sabias ni lo que era dancehall hasta que te enteraste por internet.
panama507plenabuay 1 year ago
Dem Bow and Son Bow are di best. Big ups jamaica and puerto rico from panama. One question tho..when are you p.ricans gonna get a new riddim? honestly
TCraig00 1 year ago
@TCraig00, there are plenty of songs with other riddims, they just don't get airplay on the radio. It's a shame, because people assume that we just don't use any other riddims when in fact we do, but that music gets overshadowed and overlooked by the monopoly that has been created in the media. If its not Dem Bow, they don't play it. It''s not our fault, it's the people running the radio stations and other media outlets.
jahlionpr 1 year ago
@jahlionpr so yall use reggae riddims too but its not made popular by di media?
TCraig00 1 year ago
@TCraig00, exactly...its a dirty business...they realized that the Dem Bow drum pattern was very marketable around the world among latinos as well as fans of urban musc in general. So they decided to capitalize on that by inundating the market with that particular riddim and at the same time closing doors to versatile artistes and producers who actually used variety. Because of this, the Dacehall Reggae movement has remained underground in Puerto Rico, very unfortunate.
jahlionpr 1 year ago
@jahlionpr sorry to hear that bredda. jus like always, its all about the money.
TCraig00 1 year ago
@dadredded1 Y tu eres un envidioso jajaja
sodiezytresful 1 year ago
El jahlionpr nos gustaria ir a PR a ver ese dancehall que hablas yo estuve viviendo en PR en el 92 y nunca escuche nada de lo que hablas al contrario yo tenia mis casettes de reggae en español con nando boom,chicho man,ect y los ponia en la barberia donde trabajaban winsin y yandel alla en cayey y ellos en su vida habian escuchado algo asi! .. Ohh! Espera los demas tienen que sacar visa de los Estados Unidos se me olvidaba que ustedes son colonia americana
obed1973 1 year ago
@obed1973, bueno es que en el 92 gente como "chicho man" y muchos otros artistas de Panama no eran muy conocidos en PR...los unicos que realmente pegaron una que otra en PR fueron Nando Boom y El General...so honestamente no era un momiviento cultural grande en PR, pero eso de que NADIE sabia lo que era dancehall es un comentario ridiculo, porque en el 1992 el mismo Playero 37 estaba pegao entre la juventud de PR y en el 94 salio la version editada en las tiendas, asi que de que hablas?
jahlionpr 1 year ago
I love el general... !!
HYPNOTICAYAYI 1 year ago
This was my Jam in Panama 1990 - 1997! Yeah, Howard AFB!!!!
bigdaddylew 1 year ago
dem boh boh boh
MrMeskone1 1 year ago
this is my shit,Shabba and EL GENERAL !
smellsogoody 1 year ago
Shabba is definetly the winner because he is the orginator of dembow and el general just copied shabba ranks and one more thing for all you people that think the dembow beat was started in panama it wasn't it was started in Jamaica
Redline2695 1 year ago
@Redline2695 yEA WE KNOW. THAT NIGGA EL GENERAL IS OF JAMAICAN DECENT ANYWAYS
netuber12 1 year ago
disshit sound gud as shit
14scarface504 1 year ago
Son Bow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wagnertotto 2 years ago
Lo que nunca entederé es porque las letras de las canciones del meneito eran en su mayoría tan homofóbicas.
sudamerichaser 2 years ago
yes Jamaica are the originators...when I hear reggaeton I just hear dancehall...
Libertad72 2 years ago 2
yeap pretty much. when i hear theat reggaeton i hear dancehall. to be specific. dancehall of the early 90's.
donone10 1 year ago
dembow dembow dembow! que bacano pero lo mio es dembow dominicano
shadowfaxs1 2 years ago
As a Mexican American I can say both songs are great! Makes me want to pick up a Pacifico and dance with my Mami Chulita.
Libertad72 2 years ago
I'm Puerto Rican but I'm sorry Panamanian reggaeton is better it's has more of an orignal dancehall riddim then Puerto Rican reggaeton.
Figgygirl88 2 years ago
Wrong again, Puerto Rico has a lot more to offer than just "girls", we have a very colourful culture here in the island...year-round carnivals and festivities in different towns, great food, great vibes, friendly people, beautiful beaches, rain forest, caves, bio-luminescent rivers, genuinely nice people man...its messed up that you can just sit there and ignorantly criticize and hate on an entire island of people just because you have some small-minded view of it...don't be so damned ignorant.
jahlionpr 2 years ago 2
jahlionpr don't pay him no mind no le hagas caso.como dice Jose Marti: la ignorancia mata pueblo. any more
donone10 1 year ago
this song is proof that panamanians DO copy other people, how the hell do you still have the balls to diss Puerto Ricans for doing the same? Puerto Rico isn't fake, its funny how you could talk all that shit on a computer, but you wont step one foot inside the ghetto in Puerto Rico, every country has crime, every country has violence, thats nothing to be proud of...don't talk about what you don't know, you've never been to the humble places here in my island...we have good people here.
jahlionpr 2 years ago 2
well panama has a large jamaican and west indian population
jamaicans brought reggae/ dancehall to panama there u go.
rhibac 2 years ago
Exactly...so in other words, if anyone deserves credit for so-called "reggaeton" its Jamaicans to begin with...cause if it wasn't for that same fact that you just stated, reggae wouldn't have popped off in panama in the first place...panama used to be part of Colombia before they separated and the U.S. got envolved to construct the panama canal after the french failed...before that, reggae wasn't a part of panamanian culture...so there u go.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
correction: they brought calypso to Panama. Reggae did not come about until they saw what their cousins back in the West Indies weere doing. Keep in mind reggae is a relatively new genre: late 50's
lcchill 2 years ago
same difference they kept in tune with their mother country but its kinda lost if u ask me they seem confused
rhibac 2 years ago
late 50's wasn't reggae in jamaica. it was era when the sound systems were taking over pushing Mento on a side. and all jamaicans sound systems at that time were playing the latest american R&B, and rock and roll songs that jamaicans brought with them when they were in the US mostly from the southern states. the 60's jamaicans came out with SKA during the first half of the 60's (JA independence), then rocksteady in the second half of 60's, and dub and reggae in the 70's, and in 1978 Dancehall.
donone10 1 year ago
@lcchill no late 50's was ska. reggae came about late 60's early 70's
FullSwagSyceGame507 1 year ago
whats up man. yeah its no secret that panamanians have traced, translated jamaican songs, and stole slogans from jamaican artist. it still goes on today with only a few of them panamanians take style and slogans from Movado, Vybz Kartel, Serani etc. its sad. they should look up to veterans like El Roockie: 100% original from the beginning to this day. Latin Fresh (even he is more rap/hip hop) El Rasta Kafu Banton and todays generations like Kenny Man, El Kid, Psyco
donone10 1 year ago
@donone10 amen! pero me parece q saiko si baitea rantan, opinion broder bless!
darthPigsqueak 1 year ago
@darthPigsqueak si si si si yo puse Psyco en la lista friend (saiko) en ingles se escribe Psyco.
donone10 1 year ago
@jahlionpr Yo don't sweet these motherfuckers no more man They would never understand what u r trying to teach them They r fucking ignorants that feel they been rape because something they started they couldn't finish. We already accepted that because we had no way 2 contact them back in the 90s 2 have them come 2 PR and perform @ ours clubs & parties we followed theirs steps and did the same as them for all of our people enjoyment We did it so good that we have made a new music genre
marv4976 1 year ago
lo mejor en regae eso ya no buelve conformense con verlo asi edier.
MegaAdolfo1982 2 years ago
Estas son las canciones que influyo al reggaeton:
Romie- Beanie Man
Murder She wrote- Chaka Demus y Pliers
Hot the Years- Dirtsman
Pose Off- Screechy Dan
Dem Bow- Shabba Ranks
Limb by Limb- Cutty Ranks
Escucha estas canciones y veran lo similar que son al reggaeton.
TicoNicaX4 2 years ago
Pose off Red Fox y Screechy dan. no te olvides de Red Fox. y no te olvides del Pounda-Sleepy Wonder y Bobo General.
donone10 1 year ago
Estoy de acuerdo en que todo viene del dance hall de jamaica, luego los panameños lo hicieron en español y pues los puertorriqueños lo hicieron mas comercial, pero en lo personal el ritmo de panama me gusta mas, los tipos como que se van mas a las raices y te llega mas el ritmo, ami me encanta el rookie(buena catedra).
desde mexico that god blesses you¡¡¡¡
armador5 2 years ago
the flaco is right nothing made in puerto rico has been fundamentally started in puerto rico, they take other countries music formats and slightly change it salsa and raeggaetton neither belong to them, unoriginal fucks
bigdog7013 2 years ago 2
Bullshit, I guess you've never heard of "Bomba y Plena" which has african elements but was developed in Puerto Rico, and obviously you've never heard of la musica jibara de Puerto Rico...for example el "aguinaldo jibaro"...la "danza puertorriquena"...hell...there's so many different folkloric riddims within our island..."la mazurca puertorriquena"...but of course, since you don't know shit about Puerto Rican culture, its easy for you to talk shit...panamanians copy jamaicans too so fuck you.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
its not called stealing its called culture spreading. the culture of reggae and dancehall flood latin america they liked it and wanted to do somthing like it i call it embracing
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
Culture Spreading? Embracing? I can see where you coming from, but if they were truly embracing the culture, then why do they go around claiming that this music was originated in panama instead of stating the truth? Why do they hypocritically criticize other hispanics for doing reggae in spanish when the panamanians themselves do the same? If its all about "spreading culture"...why are so many people clueless about the origins of this music? I'm not buying it...no disrespect.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
na cuz alot of jamaicans were in panama to work on the canel and stayed there and also moved there wit halot of black influnces so black panamanians would sing dancehall and do amature dj-ing and the reason why they dont state the truth i have no clue maybe pride but if it wasent for jamica none of this would be around he clearly sounds liek super cat while singing in spanish
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
Panama is not the only hispanic country dat had West Indian immigration, ever heard of Bluefields, Nicaragua? They have a huge afro-caribbean population...Honduras also has west indian communities, Costa Rica same way...and surpriiiise, Puerto Rico does have areas with large numbers of Afro-Caribbean people, next time you visit Puerto Rico, take a little trip off the beaten path and check towns like Loiza, Rio Grande, Canovanas, Luquillo...you might be surprised.
jahlionpr 2 years ago 6
yeah i heard about those from my fried nhes from nica on the east coast he said they live in nica do you have any of the pr dancehall that would be sick to hear
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
I am a honduran of Jamaican Ancestry, and you are correct. Also Guatemala, Colombia, and the DR have large amounts of West Indian Descendents.
lcchill 2 years ago
yes but they are unknown and probably dont even speak english anymore
rhibac 2 years ago
Not all the way unkown. Most people in Honduras know of us. In certain cities in Honduras they still speak english. Not in my parents hometown.
lcchill 2 years ago
@lcchill Yea like in Roatan, they speak English
frenchie314 2 years ago
you are from Honduras? yeah i remember artist like Shabakhan, Arzu, Marcony, La Diva. Most of central america and colombia have have West Indian descendents.
donone10 1 year ago
@donone10 - marcony is not he's guatemalan
mRNA43 1 year ago
@donone10 My family is, I was born in the United States.
lcchill 1 year ago
right.
donone10 1 year ago
@jahlionpr hey jahlionpr me tienes que llevar a PR pa conocer mas de PR y del reggae y dancehall boricua de los lugares de Loiza, Rio Grande, Luquillo etc. porque solo ponene a los pendejos de daddy yankee, wisin y yandel, don omar. de hoy en dia admiro mucho a Tego, Calle 13, Eddie Dee, y el veterano Vico. y la era del undergorund: Chezina, Rey pirin etc.
donone10 1 year ago
@jahlionpr look do you have a problem with panama or what? stfu already, hop of our dicks. you been all over dis comment section basically debunking that we started spanish reggae, and dat 4 the most part we are the MAIN link between spanish and afrocaribbean music. i say main because unlike blue fields, corn islands, costa rica, and ect ; we have a strong music outlet. if puerto rico could do da same y dint they? cuz there shit is more watered dwn. n yur own ppl give su credit so yur irrelavent
FullSwagSyceGame507 1 year ago
@FullSwagSyceGame507, our shit is watered down these days because they are commercially marketing themselves for regions that do not truly follow afro-caribbean culture, you think I'm proud of that? Obviously not, I give Panama credit for following the movement, nobody is "on your dicks" but I'm also sick and tired of hypocrite Panamanians like you who have a problem with Puerto Ricans doing spanish reggae because apparently YOU are the only ones who have the right to do so, which is bullshit.
jahlionpr 1 year ago
@jahlionpr man i think its a global thng, cuz da same shit is happenin in panama, Jamaica and america. most of the time si don't even listen to plena any more i have listen to all Jamaica. btw i dont have a problem with ricans doing ANYTIN. idc, i dont live in pr nor do i kno many ricans, i dnt listen 2 pr music so idgf. i did use 2 listen 2 reggaeton back wen it was melaza, i loved it but i started hatin it a couple years ago. n we never said we r da only ones who can do so
FullSwagSyceGame507 1 year ago
@FullSwagSyceGame507, you personally might not have said we don't have a right to, but hundreds of panamanians here on youtube have, I've heard them say, "stick to bomba y plena" or constantly attacking us saying that we "stole" THEIR music, and thats when I'm like: "whoa who whoa whoa, stole???" thats where I have a problem with it, cause how come when they sing reggae, its "cultural appreciation" and "we are descendants" but if we do it, its just "stealing"? you see what I'm saying?
jahlionpr 1 year ago
@jahlionpr i feel wht u saying. bt understand at sum point in da 90's we were making the same music, we had our songs playin at da same clubs n etc. many dint call it reggaeton it was jus reggae. da anger many have towards yall cums from back in 2004 wen yall made it 2 mainstream yall claimed it for ya selves n dint giv us props or give our artists respect whn yall did shows in panama. yall din't help out all latinos it was a private rican party. das cool jus dnt get mad wen we dnt fuck wit ya
FullSwagSyceGame507 1 year ago
@FullSwagSyceGame507, oh we didn't give u props? In 2005 they made a CD/DVD documentary called Chosen Few: El Documental and the enitre first half of the documentary is bigging up Panama and Jamaica for the influence, so what in the world are you talking about? Artistes like Latin Fresh, El Rookie, Pocho Pan, Kafu Banton and many others have been featured in PR albums over the last few years...what more do you want bredda? A national ceremony? There is no excuse for the animosity mi son.
jahlionpr 1 year ago
@FullSwagSyceGame507, and Puerto Rico did have a strong music outlet when it came to dancehall, bu that was in the 90s, but due to greed and the monopoly that has been created by certain individuals, our dancehall has been suppressed, slowly but surely the movement is coming back, its not going to be easy because apparently everybody is against that comeback, including Panamanians like you who believe we have no right to be singing dancehall reggae in spanish, because YOU are the "creators" smh.
jahlionpr 1 year ago
@jahlionpr slim yu seriously needa stop telling me how i feel, and how Panamanians think. da only thing Panamanians dont like is da fact dat ricans over use dem bow, da dancehall dat we hear from yall isn't da underground stuff yur tlkn abt. its da corny shit we hear on da radio n we hate it. n its reali corny wen yall artist try n sound like a spanish super cat weneva dey try n do dancehall...come on its 2010. i give respect certain artists do, tego calderon, caller 13, dela ghetto, a few more
FullSwagSyceGame507 1 year ago
@FullSwagSyceGame507, I have not met every single panamanian, but PLENTY of them here on youtube judge us, criticize us and talk about what we do and don't know, try and tell me about my island and telling me reggae didn't exist in PR before 1990 and talk mad shit about us here on youtube, so why are you acting like I'm being unreasonable for sticking up for my people? Am I just supposed to sit back and smile at all the bullshit your people write? Hate me if you want, u got ur opinions? so do I.
jahlionpr 1 year ago
@jahlionpr calm down its only youtube. i dnt kno u to hate you. im sure others feel da same. its ok pr n panama aren't gona go to war 4 dis
FullSwagSyceGame507 1 year ago
@FullSwagSyceGame507 nosotros inventamos el regueton chucha de tu madre el dembo nacio aqui en panama y fue creado exclusivamente por nosotros ningun jamaicano ni ningun puertomierdero puso mano en esto peguntale a ramon bustamante el creador del dembo si no sabes no hables you know how we roll
panama507plenabuay 1 year ago
yo no soy persona de insultar a nadie pero cuando me insultan a mi, yo tiro alfrente y no termino hasta ver sangre. te quedo feo lo de puertomierdero so cabron infeliz. y que decir que ramon bustamante invento el dembow, silo que ese mamabicho hizo fue traducir lo mejor que pudo toda la letra de la cancion original de shabba ranks y darsela a fernando brown (nando boom) para que la cantara. hasta el ritmo completo copio ni tansiquiera usaron samples del mismo y dejaron la pista correr igual
marv4976 1 year ago
enfermo de amor tambien es otro tema traducido con el ritmo copiado exacto tal la version original. lamentablemente en estos momentos me falla la memoria de quien es el cantante jamaiquino quien canta la version en ingles o mejor dicho patoise que es el verdadero nombre del dialecto jamaiquino que predomina en la isla. so que la proxima vez que vayas a opinar si no tienes nada constructivo de que hablar al menos usa un buen lenguaje al referirte a otras gente, alcornoque imbecil.
marv4976 1 year ago
@marv4976 Enfermo de amor es " night nurse" de gregory Isaac. Shabba ranks hizo famoso a " el general" con tu talento y aquel empezo a encajar letras en castellano que rimaran con la lirica del otro y asi asi
guayacan07 1 year ago
@jahlionpr yea your right since we are ubicated in the carribean!!!!!!!!
MrBoricua2593 7 months ago
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chularojo 7 months ago
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chularojo 7 months ago
@jahlionpr Basically, they aren't "recent" West Indian immigrants. Even though they are African descent, their ethnicity would be Latin or Afro-Latin and not Afro-Caribbean. They speak spanish an(d) or an African dialect. They do share a similar culture and style of cooking. Bay Islanders (Hond) had more English influence, which ties us closer to other West Indian cultures. However the Guarifunas and Bluefields had more Latin or Spanish influence. The African heritage is what make us all one.
chularojo 7 months ago
@jahlionpr you're right to a point. However, some of Bluefields ppl have been there over 200 to 300 years. So they aren't considered "Caribbean" per se. I am from Honduras so I know the history. The Bay Islands "Roatan" ppl are descendants of the Cayman Islands (the whites and blacks). Then there are the Garifuna, or Caribs that were sent to Roatan from St Vincent and Dominica in like the late 1700s or early 1800s. These people migrated to the mainland of Honduras, Belize and Guatemala.
chularojo 7 months ago
The same way panamanians claim their aritstes are west indian descendants, I can give you examples of our own, Bigga Demus, born in Antigua, raised in PR...Horny Man & Panty Man (used to live in St.Croix and currently reisde in Rio Grande, Puerto Rico)...Nene Ganja as well....Baby Cat is half Jamaican...we also have artistes who have family from St.Thomas such as Delirious and Newtone...Snoopy D. was Jamaican as well as Likkle One...many Dominican aritstes as well...99% of people dont know dis.
jahlionpr 2 years ago 10
@jahlionpr hey si men yo me acuerdo de Bigga Demus durante la era del underground, tambien horny man y pany man en la series de the noise. que habra pasado con esa gente?
donone10 1 year ago
@jahlionpr Yo me acuerdo de Biggademus, pany man y horny man en la serie the noise live. que paso con esa gente?
donone10 1 year ago
@donone10, Bigga Demus anda concentrado en el Reggae Roots, de vez en cuando hace algo de reggaeton para variar pero como dije, bien enfocado en el reggae y cada rato lo veo en presentaciones por ahi...Panty Man viene con un comeback bueno ahora junto a Nico Canda y se rumora que Playero DJ se va a activar de nuevo...pero mira el comentario de "obed1973" primero dice que el vivia en PR en el 92 y la gente no sabia lo que era dancehall, pero Playero 37 salio en la calle en el 92 lol (no sense)
jahlionpr 1 year ago
maybe they critizize other hispanics cuz reggaeton sounds like shyt all this modern crap they sing from puerto rican influnces but panamanians are more spanish reggae then pop reggaeton of peurto rico so maybe thats why they beefing
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
Hold up, you are painting it like the only thing Puerto Rico has to offer is "commerical pop", just so you know, Puerto Rico does have a Dancehall Reggae scene which has nothing to do with Wisin y Yandel nor any of those so-called reggaepop artistes you see on MTV, you are assuming dat our "reggaeton" artistes are the representers of PR's dancehall...dead wrong...our dancehall scene is not mainstream, so unfortunately people get the wrong idea cause they don't even know about its existence.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
oh i never knew that i assumed that, that was the true reggaeton becuase the hispanics where i live around never introduced me to that before but i searched it up and your right my bad bout that it makes sense
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
dont get me wrong for jamaican dancehall it has gotten a bit too commercial as well i love old school stuff
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
the golden age of panamanian reggae was the 80's early ninties sounds just like dancehall
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
the orgins of spanish reggae/reggaeton is of jamaican orgin with a spanish twist but puerto rico did dominate the genre by far
PhaorohCJ 2 years ago
Dude, we don't hear in the states half the Panama Raggae . click JR Ranks, Eddie Lover fet Factoria and Jimy bad boy, those guys are taking the spanish raggae to another level, mixing tipico from Panama, Socca, ragge and Hatian music ,by the ways the actual drum background from Dembow is tamborito and its our florkloric rythim. they play a lot in the carnival with the murgas ..
1aalvarad 2 years ago
folkloric from who,its an african rythm none the less
rhibac 2 years ago
the roots of reggaeton
arkangel06 2 years ago 7
Un plagio muy claro de general, ademas hay muchas musicas del q son original dlos jamaiquinos, pero hay q reconocer q el general es maestro el reguetton se lo deve a el y a vico c
gabaofitas 2 years ago 2
no se le puede reconocer nada al general, el retomó el dem bow (titulo de una canción original) de shabba ranks de los ochenta, aún, más de una canción son plagios insolentes. Ahí está el pare el cual es una simple traduccion de the stopper de cutty ranks. Y como esa varias. Aunque duela reconocerlo
manuelmondragon 2 years ago
En BLuefields, NIcaragua hacemos Dancehall en Patois(english like Jamaica) y junto con otros idiomas. Desde hace mucho tiempo, antes que PR, pero no somos populares porque no somos muchos en USA.
77musica 2 years ago
simply spanish reggae - not reggaeton.
iriyali 2 years ago 4
si hablas c uecadas...
ViviJoDO 2 years ago
Cont. Podias conseguir una copia por $5 o 10. En los Residenciales Publicos (AKA Caserios) Fue alli donde esto se mesclo. Solo que they only spoke about chingar, fumar, y matar.... lol. Por eso era para mucho como de la chusma segun Donya Florinda. Jaja.. Oh clase baja.. Pero el govierno no pudo con el ritmo pegajoso... Y ahora tienen hasta anuncios en reggaeton!!! Jaja.. Para el orgullo Boriqua... todo esto paso en lo humilde de Puertorro! Gracias Dios. Este es mi granote de arena sobre esto.
Soltwocamaflashed 2 years ago 2
Pero la verdad es que los Puertoricans sacaron alfrente al Dembow in Spanish.. Never the less, tambien en Panama tenian unos reggetoneros... No se su historia muy bien. Pero si le preguntas a cualquira que alla estado en PR cuando todo comenzo, te dirian que nunca jamas imaginarian que el reggeton llegara hasta aqui. Y mucho menos ser tocado por Univicion en comerciales. Porque el reggeton era inlegal, cuando fue mesclado con el rap en "underground".El govierno de PR lo prohivio. To be conti...
Soltwocamaflashed 2 years ago 2
la historia esta en wikipedia, el dem bow en realidad deriva de la canción el mismo nombre, original de shabba ranks, es la base del reggaeton. Busca shabba ranks y tendrás la historia del reggaetón :)
manuelmondragon 2 years ago
La verdadera base ritmica del reggaeton se llama Pounda. el ritmo Pounda viene de la cancion jamaiquina que lleva el mismo nombre interpretado por Sleepy Wonder y Bobo General creado por Dennis the Menace; El mismo quien ha trabajado con El General, Nando Boom y otros panamenos. el ritmo de la cancion de shabba ranks : dem bow se llama Pocomanjam creado por Steely and Cleavie con Bobby Digital en 1990. Lo que lees en wikipedia esta incorrecto. creame amigo mio.
donone10 2 years ago
x fin alguien dice lo cierto todos piensan k la base del reggaeton viene xactamente de la cacnion de shabba ranks y pero le dicen dembow por que la cancion del nando boom y en utliza la misma melodia de la cancion pero el riddim es el pounda como dice donone10 .
acaso el dembow k utilzan todos es semejante a la base de la cancion de shabba ranks ,no, ademas a todos lo k lleve ese bendito riddim lo llaman reggaeton aunque se deberia llamar raggamuffin pero webon es otra historia XD
vicolandia 2 years ago
Verdaderamente me sorprende que alguien que aparentemente conoce de reggae no tenga bien la información. Me parece certero que ubiques a Bobby digital como un gran contributor del género, (el fue el productor de shabba, supercat, ninjaman ya en los 90, no antes), por ende sabrás que es jamaiquino por ende, el reggaeton le debe todo a jamaica, no a panamá ni a haití ni demás imitadores que salieron al paso. El reaggaeton nació influenciado por el dancehall, no hay otra.
manuelmondragon 2 years ago 2
jejeje Bobby digital comenzo su carrera trabajando con King Jammys como ingeniero durante los 80's y bobby se concentro en los primeros anos de carrera musical de Shabba Despues Shabba se fue a trabajar con Gussie Clarke y Clifton Secialist Dillon. Shabba se llevo 2 grammys en la categoria best reggae album Bobby trabajo ninjaman. Supercat trabajo con Winston Riley, Robert Livingston, Steely and Cleavie. Tony Kelly, Andrew Haupaul. Y el mismo Supercat es tambien productor.
donone10 2 years ago
@manuelmondragon muy cierto le debe todo al dancehall
pero nunca lo supero ,al contrario
el regeton se volvio una basura
sus cantantes cantan mal, jamas vana a acer ragga por q no tienen taleto ni las raices para acerlo
arriba el dancehhal
SuperRaggaman 1 year ago
La version de Bobby Digital tambien se usaba bastante lo que pasa es que el Pounder fue el que vino a pegar cuando se comercializo en los estados unidos...y fijate, en el disco de shabba dice 1990 pero hay copias que dicen 1989 y tambien llegue a verlo cantarlo en vivo antes de eso...lo que pasa es que cuando hacen "re-issues" aveces ponen la fecha del presente, pero se supone que le pongan la fecha del "original release" pero pues, que se puede hacer..el Pounder si salio en el 90..ese si.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
jejejejeje equivocao de nuevo. he vivido el genero desde mucho antes de su underground y antes de que el general pensara en agarrar el mic. y coleeciono reggae y dancehall mi estimado. y dejame decirte que lo informacion que dice en wikipedia es falsa en cuanto al ritmo.
donone10 2 years ago
Te recuerdo que dembow se editó por pow wow records en 1987, cuando la canción tenía fácilmente 8 años sonando en el underground que tanto desestimas. Por mi arráncatela no me va a quitar el sueño que vivas equivocado. Y creo que ni siquiera eres capaz de distinguir un sarcasmo por lo de wikipedia. Por eso te sugerí investigar sobre shabba. Y para el otro desubicado, no es pounda, es punanny rithm, y raggamuffin no es un ritmo, es el nombre que recibe el que intepreta la canción.
manuelmondragon 2 years ago
JAJAJAJA disque dem bow se edito en 1987. mira deja de estar fumando esa coca. y hable serio. dem bow salio en 1990 por shabba ranks en su cd just reality. antes de eso no hubo ningun dem boe edito. uds si que esta bien desubicao pequeno saltamontes. y otra cosa tus gente boricuas agradecen a Panama por traer el genero a tu isla hasta el mismo Vico C lo ha dicho. Tego, voltio, ivy queen, tito, daddy yankee y su idolo es Nando Boom. hasta el mismo Big Boy.
donone10 2 years ago
Cont..... Pero, Puerto Rico salio con dembow right after Panama.... Y despues, El General se desaparecio por un buen tiempo, y nunca mas pego igual.. Entoces es justo decir que Puerto Rico expandio el dembow y no Panama. Fue en Puerto Rico que el Dembow en Spanish se continuo cocinando y se termino de cocinar. Gracias Africa, Panama, Puerto Rico y ahora todo los demas. No ahy razon porque pelearse.. la verdad es justa. Ademas que ni el General, ni Shabba ni Vico me pagan las deudas..... Cont.
Soltwocamaflashed 2 years ago
For real for real...No recuerdo muy bien. Si el General Salio primero que Vico C en total...o Si Vico Salio primero y despues el General fue le primero que salio con Dembow in Spanish.. And I think that's what happened....cause I remember listening to rap 1rst and then dembow.. So Ok.. Panama salio con el dembow in Spanish and not rap in Spanish before any other Latin country....BUT, but... To be continued....
Soltwocamaflashed 2 years ago 2
Continuacion.... So in that case it wasn't an original beat from Panama, Pero Ok, se le da eso al General. Cool! Panama el primero con dembow en Spanish.. Since General is from there. But just as General was coming.. Vico C ya estaba cocinando musica con los Jamaiquinos. Solo El general Salio primero... Y Vico empezo con rap en Spanish. Yo lo vivi y nadie me lo conto! Primero salio Dj Ruben con "La escuela" Y Vico right behind him.... To be continued.......
Soltwocamaflashed 2 years ago 2
Chill out everybody..... Jamaica is been playing dembow (reggaeton) for ever! Like my Puerto Rico and Salsa...Many salseros in PR.. desde siempre.. Shabba just made it to the US media before anybody else.. Humanly speaking we can thank Africa for all this beats. 2nd. El general obviamente se lo copio a Jamaica and was the first known to sing it in spanish.... To be continued....
Soltwocamaflashed 2 years ago
big up. respect
ebarsallo 2 years ago
luv the song
Bimbo777pr 2 years ago
Ahh, classic shit from both Jamaica and Panama...Big up
Nyclassic2006 2 years ago 2
This is where reggaeton really popped off. Listen to the beat man! I love the loop at the end!! I love this one.
rnbsteenstar 2 years ago 2
me too
airness5051 2 years ago
Big up to Panama and Jamaica I am reppin' both side of my culture!
deedee12603 2 years ago 4
No controversy but El General is the #1 pioneer in Spanish Reggae no matter what.
Also, please yall leave Nigga alone he born in Panama and he know the jamaican flow mixt with Panamanian flavor he has a different style "romantic".
Japanesse I think Ur great too.
shantalmonique 2 years ago 6
also el general was the orginal to Reggaeton artist
DHK59 2 years ago 3
I wouldn't call it Reggaeton, but he is crucial in the development of Reggaeton tho.
FlacoTV 2 years ago 2
if not then wut we call it spanish Reggae Roots ? chould yuh explane
DHK59 2 years ago 2
This is just Dancehall in Spanish. He was crucial cause he and others introduced to the Latin world Reggae music and Dancehall. Which over time, transformed to Reggaeton when mixed with Hip-Hop and some Salsa.
FlacoTV 2 years ago
@shantalmonique YEAP El General es el general, I also add Nando Boom. the greatest
donone10 1 year ago
Why put them against each other, theyre both awesome :D
knaveutube 2 years ago 8
@knaveutube waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
oseijeman 1 year ago
old school reggaeton!
Tumbino 2 years ago
two icons
:D
warriorfire56 2 years ago
hands down!! El General!!! He's one of the pioneer's of this music.
19oracle85 2 years ago
que cansion tan buena pero esos vastardos la cagaron poniendole su melosito drump hijos de gran puta
jahimer12 2 years ago
superB song, nice rythm
tormusfx 3 years ago 6
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jahlionpr 3 years ago
anywaaaaaaaaaays big up el general dem bows!! dem bows!! todo la noche!!!
PANAMArudeBUAY 3 years ago
i could go anywhere lil f@g its a free youtube country lol wierd azz
PANAMArudeBUAY 3 years ago
Free youtube country? interesting....lol..its funny how you told me to hop off your dick but when I told you to fuck off cause nobody invited you here, you came crying like a lil bitch cause I told your ignorant ass the truth...tremendo "rude buay"...you should be da last one to talk about "fake azz dudes"...you got like a dozen youtube accounts just to give me thumbs down cause you can't handle da truth and you'd rather hide it, like di truth about Jamaica being the real fathers of Reggaeton.
jahlionpr 3 years ago
lolllllllllllll wordd!! fake azz dude thinks hes hard on youtube !!!!! lolol educated who told u that would stupid @ZZ family like u be out nobody want u here!!!!! be out!!!!!! bye hater!!!!
PANAMArudeBUAY 3 years ago
i invite myself anywhere i want what u gonna do about it? lololol focking internet thug oooooooooo if u where here i make u my lil bytch faggot and have u working for me ----talk about educated u stupid!!! lol u made u believe that lie f@g lololol please keep it coming you where the first 2 comment on my Shyt are u retarted stupid what tell me please just admit it already!!!! lol nobody cares what u half 2 say b so just one yourself 2 looking at gay vids on youtube! lolol u a joke payasooo!!!
tissonic 3 years ago 4
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Internet thug? and you a di one weh calls himself panama "rude buay" pon di internet?? lol..hypocrite..typical ignorant yute dat have no real world respect and yuh haffi come pon youtube and gwaan like you a badman..talkin bout "if u where here I'd have u workin for me" nigga please, like you're Scarface or some shit like dat..everytime you talk you make yourself look even dumber and I didn't know dat was possible..if nobody cares what I have to say, den why you keep responding? stupid bitch
jahlionpr 3 years ago
lol you must be gay u give where dumb place u stay at the worse name so get off my d!ck and move along cabron! where u get that weak comback your lil sister fagg@t lol
PANAMArudeBUAY 3 years ago
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Bitch, nobody was talkin 2 you over here in da 1st place..so in dat case, you can hop off MY DICK...cause nobody invited you over here, but since you watchin me so much (you must be a batty man)....readin all my comments...you are my FOLLOWER (estas pendiente a todo lo mio)...mama bicho..este se cree que por ponerse el nombre "rude buay" es un gangsta o algo asi haha...faggot....you will nevah be smart, articulate, educated...cause your an ignorant ass punk..and dats all you'll ever be.
jahlionpr 3 years ago
fock u faggot lol
PANAMArudeBUAY 3 years ago
No, FUCK YOU.....its not my fault dat you're an ignorant piece of shit...dis video itself proves where reggaeton originiate's from...its people like you dat give Panama a bad name....big up all di well educated Panamanians.
jahlionpr 3 years ago
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lol gooooooooooooooooo dem bows!!! panama home reggeaton reggea romantic style stick 2 salsa!!! lololol
PANAMArudeBUAY 3 years ago
Yeah...we'll stick to Salsa and you can stick to Vallenato..after all, Panama used to be part of Colombia ;-) and blacks are a minority in Panama...thank God for Colon, Panama, cause if not, your country would just be full of mestizos like yourself.
jahlionpr 3 years ago
What part part of Panama u from? U crazy. U must not be from Panama. Blacks are a minority in Panama. U must be a racist from Colombia. OMG. U made laugh today. And it is sunday. Thank you, u made my day with ur stupid commment.
flacofun 2 years ago
First of all, I've had to deal with people telling me that all Puerto Ricans are white....I've had people here on youtube tell me that people in Puerto Rico did not know what Reggae was before 1992 and the almighty "Nando Boom" had to come teach us what it iwas, I've had people tell me "Puerto Ricans don't have Caribbean Culture"...I've seen people on here say the Dem Bow was born in Panama although everyone knows its from Jamaica...so don't talk to me about stupid comments.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
And what do all those stupid comments, that I did not make, have to do with the studpid comment u made about blacks being a minority in Panama ?
flacofun 2 years ago
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jahlionpr 2 years ago
flacofun, when I said blacks are a minority, I didn't mean there are only two or three scattered around...I know about several communities..but check the facts...if you take di population size..blacks are not the majority still..even tho they are a large minority...Mestizos and other mixed people make up a larger part..you have to understand dat my comment was in response to someone who knows nothing about dancehall and who said "stick to salsa" as if we were a bunch of "jibaros".
jahlionpr 2 years ago
No no no no Colon is not the only place where you see blacks in Panama. a lot of blacks in the province of Panama, Bocas del Toro, Darien, and a few in other provinces. Before the construccion of Colon blacks where already here in Panama. the birth of Colon started with the construccion of the railroad coneccting Atlanttic and Pacific during the California Gold Rush. The other group of blacks came from the West Indies. working for the railroad, United Fruit Company, Post Office and the Canal.
donone10 2 years ago
Yow bless up donone10...you are right, there are more places than just Colon...I knew about Bocas too...me have people deh...but di comment I made came from di yute saying "stick to salsa" and all dat bullshit...you know how di people dem a chat fuckry...but nuff a dem come and try and claim like Panama is a Jamaica part 2 or something...dats like di Nicaraguans who claim di whole country is like Bluefields...there is more too it dan di rastas and ghettos in di videos..big up still.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
nigga yuh got no conects in panama u a biity buay a rumaclot a bladdclutt me from panama blattyyy u know how we rulee buaiiiii pty 507 i fuck niggaz fi life 507 bombo clot tell dem mi ancesters are jamaican i tink so yah me a bridring billit biiiillit booom blaaat
crakmoney18 2 years ago
LOL...Principal..is dat you???? or is it Japanese? jajajajaja...BIG UP my yute!
jahlionpr 2 years ago
yo know whats sad is that panamanians like japanese the late danger man murder cat are sooooo pirates man : they even steal the slogans of jamaican artist: Up to the crime is from Vybz Kartel, Gangsta for life and Anyway from Movado, You know how we roll from Ward 21, bullet bullet from Bounty Killer. I mean you have to be unique and come with your own man; Look at Collie Buddz the guy is so unique, same with veteran Buju, legandaries Ninjaman and Supercat.
donone10 2 years ago
Collie Buddz is funny tho...cause he's American and he was raised in Bermuda...but you know what? People from Bermuda don't have dat heavy heavy Caribbean accent he uses...I don't mind it when he sings with di accent...cause its Reggae and it would sound funny wid di watered down bermy accent, but he should at least keep it real in di interviews and not be like: "yea mon, dun know, yea mon" every 2 seconds in an interview..if u realize..Sean Kingston sounds american in his interviews at least.
jahlionpr 2 years ago
i didnt understand a shit u just said
gothiko25 2 years ago