It's not just stereotype... There is truth to some of it... and the queen is a case in point. One cannot post comments directly. They have to be approved. None of my comments are approved because they ask whey the "queen" refuses to address the issue of class. Yes, there is the whole gender thing which caters to Western fantasies, but what about class? what about her excessive wardrobe?
I'm 100% Arab. My mom is Muslim and my dad Christian. I am Christian and my mon's side of the fam are very comfortable with it and love me just as much. When they can't find mosques in NY, they pray in churches. So my fam is living proof that there ARE open minded muslims, and we aren't the exception. If you go to the ME, you'll be really surprised.
Do not challenge the intelligence of WORLD, because the ME- with all its disgraceful problems is an integral part of the world.
So, faking these ingratiating smiles before the blunt judging eyes of West will never make the Midddle East any better than what really it is.
Please , Queen Rania, Save you inititives to address the First World through the lofty air that exist above the short real disgraceful (moral,religious,social and economical heights) of your region : Middle East.
Have you ever been to the ME? How many countries have you visited? How many families have you encountered? It is either you are a biased Jew or just an ignorant who relies on CNN, Fox news or another infected Western media, for the way you condemn the whole ME as if it is one place! There are many different groups, believes and cultures in the ME, to think of the whole region as one place is pretty ignorant!
To say to someone "... you are a biased Jew..." is to imply that the Jew is inherently inclined to perceive reality in a certain way. But, aren't all humans this way? You yourself are biased in giving such a negative connotation. True that Western media is highly unreliable, yet sources within the ME, such a Al Jezeera and Al Arabiya, and even Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post in Israel, are all biased! Why? Because of worldview. To make blanket statements is wrong, but one cannot deny...
All media controllers are biased... Al jazeera mostly provides true evidence. Example: the horrible images of the recent attack on Gaza, proof of use of int'lly illegal weapons against them, Aljazeera brdcasts horrible images in a manner provoking the Arab and Muslim hatred, but all evidence they provide is true. Western media hide evidence and provokes hate against Islam and ME to twist public opinion for political reasons...
I'd disagree with that statement. As we all know, Hamas were the only ones to release preliminary news out of Gaza during Operation Cast Lead and in fact inflated the statistics. An independent Italian reporter confirmed that Hamas had inflated the numbers to garner international support. Al Jezeera, of course, broadcast those images and statistics which Hamas released. Mainstream Western media did the same and had to retract on it's reporting. The evidence is bent on account of bias everywhere.
when organizations of human rights stand together in attempt to sue Israel officials for war crimes, when few noble western doctors travel to Gaza and work under war conditions and then carry the picture to the world speaking out of their own experience and no statistics from Hamas.... that can't be biased.... phosphoric bombs in the most populated area of the world, that is no biased news, these are facts....
Credible reports noted that they weren't phosphoric bombs. War crimes? Oh wait, you mean the "disproportionate retaliation" of Israel? Get a grip man. 8 years of bombing compared to three weeks. And these Westen doctors of course experienced terrible circumstances, but in the heat of war. These people were not civilians but combatants. And I just want to add one more thing. If Israel did soooooooo much damage, why has Hamas not CEASED to bombard southern Israel? Go figure...
what you are asking for is for Hamas to throw down their weapons, live under siege and occupation until they drain to death, along with the 1.5 million creatures living in conditions that are not suitable even for animals... PA fight for their right of survival dragging the attention of Israelis and the world with the rockets.. this is called rebellion against oppression..... Israel does not keep a promise but Hamas has to give up its rights and the rights of the people.. fair game!
Fair game? How can you say that? Do you not remember history? Egypt and Jordan both had issues with Israel, and yet now Israel has peace agreements with both! What is it that Egypt and the Hashemite Kingdom have that the PA does not? It's not a matter of throwing down weapons to be destroyed. This isn't a Crusade. This is the self-determination of a people, just as much as "Palestinians". But there canot be peace without one recognizing the other, and I mean Hamas. Hamas is unwilling to do that.
... that specific groups can be labeled as what they are. Not all of the ME is part of the Third World and not all of the ME subscribes to radical Islam. But nonetheless both exists. Concerning American sentiments, remember one thing: Each country is out for their own. When a group decides to "attack" in any way, shape or form another entity to which it ascribes adversity, the "attacked" entity will retaliate. It is only natural and normal. But! We must be open-minded enough to find a better way
if jews are to ignore the war crimes they condemn against Palestinians who are occupied, live under siege, particularly in Gaza in the biggest jail of the most highly populated area in the world with no place to hide and showered with air strikes for almost a month killing over 1500, injuring over 4000, over half of which are women and children. If average Jews do not stand against it, it is either they don't know (ignorants' or programmed to accept killing of others to ensure their survival!
I humbly disagree. Yes suffering is awful and should not be inflicted on anyone. But your facts are skewed. The Italian reporter noted that the death toll was more around 400-500, mostly male combatants recruited by Hamas. The point isn't recognizing Israeli wrongdoing, the point is BOTH sides letting go. If the PA lets go of radical Islam, and Israel let's go of hard-rightist lines, then something can be done. But Gaza brought it on by electing Hamas deomcratically in 2005 when Israel left.
Suffering is awful indeed. Every human is entitled for a normal safe life.... Human beings are so greedy.... I'm starting to lose faith in all humanity.... people could be mush happier if they let go of greed. We live on a beautiful earth and fight over it as if it belongs to anyone... instead of living in peace and harmony.... how stupid is that!! waste life on war...... no other creature could be as stupid I guess. Imagine if all the people sharing all the world.... just imagine.....
With this I agree. We are the only creatures who fall in the same ditch twice. It is sad to see suffering and pain. This is not what is supposed to happen. But let's be realists. Hate is real. Power struggles are real. The only way to get passed them is to recognize that the other side is as human as you are. I do believe Israel knows this. And I do believe man Palestinians know this as well. But the governing bodies don't, as in the PA.
I'm not blaming the PA totally, but c'mon, they haven't always had the best interest of the people at heart. Just as Israel's government hasn't lately. we must agree to disagree in some areas, and work out others. Reality setting in, we must help the economic lot of Palestinians. Because if you have money, a stable job, a stable environment and a house, why are you going to turn to radicalism? Perhaps improving their economies first will help Palestinians more than a state? What do you think?
Exactly. The dummiest thing Israel did is pull the international community's empathy against it, by the massive detestation they caused in Gaza, instead of offering them a decent life, they gained more enemies than friends. Economic stability is a good step to start with. Let's dream Israel adopts your way of thinking.....
People are also rebelling against the West's unconditional support for Israel and all the atrocities it is comitting on Arabs.....So what I am trying to say is that religion isn't perfect. All religions have their faults. However, the Koran itself can't be to balme for all the barbarism and terrorism in the region.
The Taliban was also financed and supported by the US to fight communism. Now both of these beatiful countries are destroyed and backward. As for Saudi,it has very strong reltions with the States. The States loves the dictatorship, because Saudi can do what the US wants without people rebelling. They are too scared to rebel.
Other strong reasons for the rise in radicalsm in the middle east are: that people are poor, uneduated and are in a state of WAR.
The Church was also used in europe to control the masses. However, Europe broke out of this dilemma. So why hasn't the Middle East broken out of it yet? Well, it did! Then it went back to it. Why? Well let's start with Iran. It was an open and rich country. As the threat of communism rose and as the Shah was relying less on the states, the States funded a new gov of radicals to take over andcombat communism. This is the gov. you see today. look it up yourself.
Muslims were educating themselves with the Koran. they were innovating and thinking for themselves. The kings found it hard to rule the countries because the Koran was seen as higher than them. So some Arab govs. declared that we should stop questioning Islam because it is too powerful for the human mind. The Sharia law was created and ISN'T part of the Koran. It's an interpretation! By forcing people to stop questioning and start living by this law, the gov. was able to control the people.
Well I beleive the gov. in Arab countries to play a role in barbaric attitudes of some people. Back in the day, when Europe was barbaric and in the dark ages, the Muslim world was flourishing. They were the philosophers, astronomers and they brought the renaissance to europe. So What happened? How did the role between Muslims and the West reverse? Let me tell you...
So, what I am trying to say in terms of Saudi's barbaric ways is that it is a very new counyry and it needs time to develop and flourish. I don't think it is because it is a Muslim country. Jus look at other Muslim countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Lebanon, Indonesia, Morocco and Tunisia. They are older and not nearly as barbaric. Of course many Arab countries are poor and have a lot of corruption. However,I don't believe that's based on the religion either.
I understand the point that you are making but I would draw a distinction between governments and what they are seeking to achieve and the attitude of some people within the countries that can only be described as barbaric. Examples? Those Moslems who went on the rampage in Indonesia beheading Christians on one of their islands. The disturbing practice of young girls being taken from the UK by their families and forcibly married against their will in Pakistan.
As an Arab I think that report is disturbing and disgusting. Saudi is the most extreme of the Arab countries. Yes it is barbaric. However, It is also a very new country. In England is much older and more developed than Saudi. However, back in the dark ages or Victorian times, it was legal for men o beat their wives with sticks and put cages on their faces. Women were also deemed as witches and killed. Now is, what I believe, the dark age for Saudi. The people in the country are still tribal.
Bad behaviour is essentially something for which the individual must take responsibility. Terrible things are still done in the UK in this 21st Century. True the law may have become more enlightened over the years but people are still capable of great acts of cruelty. In the UK Christian reformers have been in the forefront of campaigns and changes in the law over the past 300 years or so to see a fairer and less cruel society. However, much work remains to be done.
- the beaten to death insident is not more than a rumer, but almalki words are true and its not more than his own belives. in which, i belive in to a certian extent.. yes youth are waisting more time on stupid things.
- the inscident of the dead woman is not an easy one line sentence, its a long story.
i know i didnt give a full answer, but just wanted to reply from a saudi POV.
Yes I know but she was talking about stereotypes of the Arab world and Islam and The Saudi news report happened to be in the news in the UK at the time she put her video.
I am an Arab young woman. This story has nothing to do with Islam. Actually Islam is against the so-called honor killing. Although Unfortunatly honor-killing is a problem. You usually find that mentality in poor or highly conservative families. Mind you conservative does not equal religious. Or in a part of the Arab world where it is male-central mentality. And in the past 5 years I would say. The Arabic population have increased thier fight and public speaking out about these crimes.
Thank you for your comment. Do you think that part of the problem may be that some people who consider themselves Islamic do not take their faith seriously but rather follow their national/local cultural traditions? I believe that "honour" killings appear in a number of different cultures where the Islamic faith may or may not be in the majority or even appear at all. What is your view on this?
I think you find these "honour" crimes mostly in collective societies. With people with high sense of keeping the family/clan name clean. They believe that somehow by killing someone who brought dishonour to their family will eliminate that dishonour in itself. And we shouldn't stop at men killing women. I have heard cases of sons killed. Although they don't make it to the headlines much. Simply I think it is general lack of education. Any society can break free from this if they are educated.
sorry I didn't notice I was logged on under my sisters account "Lamaloom".. But moreover here you have to enter the roles of governments too. If you live in a country where whenever someone has the guts to stand up and speak against these crimes is silenced then you will never get society to understand.
hmm..in islamic religion ..if some one find his wide with another man and he had no evidence..like the other man ran while he bring the widenesses ..the man cant kill his wife like that ...and he cant even speak without 4 widenesses....he only can accuse her and ask the curs of god if he was a lier ..so she can avoide it to say she is pure and ask the anger of god if she was not ..
why all thees complected process ?
becaus the man cant just kill his wife like that .
This is my point dombatts, the author of this video is not taking a very educated outlook. The Queen said bring forward your sterotypes so we could discuss and break stereotypes, but the author of this video is simply doing the opposite by saying Islam is all fucked up. I'm no where near being muslim but these are simple sterotypes people who have weak outlooks or opinions have to go with what they heard in the media.
The story of the girl is really sad. What the girl suffered is a cultural drawback. No normal father could do this to his daughter. He just killed an innocent soul and if he believes in Islamic teachings, he should know that he is condemned. Globalization put ignorant conservative societies in a tough position. They just need time to blend in. So we are to blame some drawbacks in the culture and not Islam. The Prophet of Islam, who Muslims take as their idol never hit a soul!
It is not the question of the extent of brutality. It is the question of expression of such brutality as an input to the biased media. American and British soldiers in Iraq showed clear signs of brutality, children get killed in London (I am a londoner) maybe not as a result of ideology but as a result of perversion or mental problem. We just dont see them as obvious
ehsan: I see clearly & reject your comments as they are oblivious to reality. Just think what the entire Middle East would be like if the Camp David accord had been accepted by Arafat & the Palestinian people. 30 years later think of the lives that would have been lived. Think of what The Lebanon & Palestine could look like now. When the US leaves Iraq you will have a Shia bloodbath supported by Iran. And, we will leave soon because, like Vietnam, the people do not care about a democracy.
(cont), Azerbigianis, Sudanese, janjouwie, Kazacks, Kuwaitis, Saudis, Hamas, PLO, Bin Laden, Huks, Al Queda, Hezbollah....I am sick of the KILLING: Serb on Muslim, Muslim on Muslim, Muslim on Jew, Americans on Terrorist (except for those they kill out of fear or mistake or indifference - but not target at Muslims) Greek on Turk, Turk on Kurd, Hindu on Muslim and Pakistani on Hindus. It is the madness of a new dark age that should have ended with Hitler and the fall of the Soviet. But ON & ON..
Cont: And I did not even mention the sawing off of prisoners heads, posting it on the internet, and calling that scum heros. We sent our soldiers to prison for nude ridicule of Iraqi prisoners. I would love an Arab-Muslim world where the 60 year old resolution of the UN creating Israel was accepted & the world could get to the business of peace & brotherhood. In the meantime, it is going to get worse.
I agree that you cant look at incidents like the one that was described, as part of the culture as a whole. It's just i have read about similar incidents quite often where people have gone to the extreme.
It makes it hard not to stereotype that this culture have these beliefs which to us westerners, is rather backward. Also if this is a minority, how come the incidents that i hav read about have happened in the western part of the world?
anecdotal evidence... imagine taking a few examples from any western nation (pedofiles...serial killers... swingers...) and saying that is your entire culture...
No. Instead arab governments sanction honor killings because someone might fall in love. The sanction everything from stoning to chopping off the hands of thieves. And this won't appear because this site is now sanitizing the debate.
They sanction making women 2nd class citizens and they sanction the teaching of hatred in their schools. Our government sanctions none of that.
barhoom18: You could read "Infidel" by a muslim Somali born woman who also lived in Saudi-Arabia and attended Koran schools in all three. Same story. You could also read "Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini, an Afgan, & he will tell you the same story. 121 honor killings occurred in the NETHERLANDS by muslims in 2001 & we do get the picture of your peaceful song. And, ONLY THE SAUDI Gov't kills adulterers OR bitches...sheez you think the entire world is not catching on to you dark-age thugs?
Barhoom18: Maybe I am wrong about you? If you read Kite Runner & Infidel and recontact me. I would hope to enjoy your insight into these two experiences. I am 57 and tired of War...I grew up with the continuous 60 year war in Palestine & Israel. I went to War at 18. Syrians, Druze, Copts, Jews, Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Sunni, Shia, Iragis, Tajiks, Hazawa, Afgans, Bosnians, Serbs, Macedonians, Albanians, Cypriots, Pakistanis, Hindus, Assyrians, Arabs, Chechens, Armenians (cont)
I think it is important for people to realize that religion and tradition are two completely different things. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not every part of Arabic culture reflects or represents Islam.
well, we cant judge an entire nation just becaus of a punch of ppl who claims they represent the whole islamic world the majority don't do this type of actions its a real stereotype.
True, but I think you should balance your argument. While agree with your outrage here, There are also good people in these countries that were born into that system and identify themselves through their culture and religion. In generalizing, your pushing the good with the bad and leaving them no hope. Look into conemoporary Moroccain or Algerian situation to get a balanced opinion b4 you blab out Arab generalizations. Most of the other southern Arab world doesnt agree themselves with Saudies
Joestyllo... balance? I thought Queen R asked for stereotypes ? This guy raised a pretty troubling question about women under Islam . He supported it with a strong example. Dismiss it with evasive crap but do you realise what that sounds like?
A line must be drawn and people in the west must not relate every brutal accident to Islam or the Arab world.
Basically, we have crazy ignorance people as every country. How many shooting accidents happened in the U.S in the last 2 years, so can you judge all the American people and labeling them murderers, not fair, right.!
I am in U.K right know, and I read about many horrible things happen around the country everyday, however I have never thought that British are brutal or backwards
Great video. And if I may respond to some of the comments in here, the difference between domestic violence in the west and domestic violence in the middle east is this:
In the west it is shunned and considered an abberation. In the middle east domestic violence is supported, and in many cases demanded, at the religious and cultural levels.
Human beings can be violent, this is very true. But any people that integrate violence against women into their social fabric invite stereotyping.
Do you live in a middle eastern country to support your claim that domestic violance is supported and demanded?
I know saudi citizens who say this is an abnormality that everyone must fight and that the muslim community in saudi arabia when they hear of such stories would not accepted and will never support it or demand it.
This is not Islam, I heard about the story, let's not fix between culture and religion, those are bedwins who are living in the desert or used to and they do this because of cultural issues. Although they have a lot of oil and tall buildings they are still in stone age inside their heads I was touched when I heard the story but it has nothing to do with Islam it is certain people whith 1800ss mind set, Thanks for bringing this up
All of these comments below are so strange, they miss the point of this mans video completely. The Queen is asking for stereotypes and the man here is expressing one. No one is asking the base question, "What is Islam?" and expecting the answer in youtube comments.
I think an open discussion like this is a step in the right direction, even if it's going to be hard to get people to work together.
We here about them frequently in the news channels. The difference is that they are treated for what they are: Crimes of domestic violence. Non of those biased labels like "Honor killing," "crazy Muslim did this and that....etc"
Domestic violence exist in western countries, but there it is concidered as a cowardly crime which is not justified by any means. In muslim comunities the cowards doing this are talking about family honnor and even in Koran is written that muslim can beat his wife. So it is not about existence of such behavior, but about how it is seen in the eyes of society... As a coward act on one side, as an act of honour on the other...
I'm currently living in saudi arabia and nothing of that sort was reported in the newspapers over here. Otherwise it would have been front page news like all the other incidents similar to this.
Saudi Arabia and Iran take most of the focus when discussing 'brutal Arabs'. Such shortsighted perspectives are used only to confirm conditioned racism. The Islamic and Arab worlds are much more expansive than that of a few countries. You could find any country led by any culture and religion and find inhumanity. The US and England come to mind.
thankyou for saying what most british people think. Queen Rania is hardly your avarage run of the mill spokes person of the Arab world, she's in a privaliged position.
I'de like to ask the question the other way around, ask them what their stereotypes of us are, and I'm pretty sure their responses would be completely intollerent, compared to your response.
Well done keeping your cool, I'm not sure I could.
wow, What are you keeping your cool for? I hardly think there is so much hatred that you compliment a man for keeping his composure in a public forum. That shows intolerance and anger on your part, If you have to keep cool about a youtube post. All discussions demand composure and understanding, it's not a football tournament, everyone should say what they feel without feeling angry and allow others to say as they feel. that is the basis for understanding, not keeping score and high-fiving.
It may be backwards and Brutal but it's not isolated to the Arabian peninsula. All cultures have uneducated fathers who follow the teachings of their local religious leader to the letter and do tragic and idiotic things like this.
To highlight it shows that western media is mored interested in placing rather than understanding. Understanding comes first and then you can discuss the good and the bad, there is no room for blame or judgement in cultural communication.
And to answer your question about facebook. You said that there are 30,000 users of facebook in Saudi Arabia. If Islam is teaching Muslims to kill anyone who talks to the other sex, why weren't the 30,000 users all get murdered by their parents?
If one keeps asking others what Islam is, was Mohammad a good man or not, or anything related to Islam, then he will get different views and opinions.
If you or anyone really wants to know what Islam really is, read the Quran. And then you will know. You can get free from an Islamic center or you can read it online quranexplorer(dot)com
I think you might need to remember that much of the world we currently live in (and here I mean the west) too has many massively "Backward" and "brutal" ideas (and Ideologies if you like) currently being exported worldwide.
I think very easily an Middle Easterner could post a response with an equally disturbing character about um lets say, Nambla and free speech... or maybe the War strategies of America and Britain (a bit obvious i know)
How about the stereotype called the 'Arab World' or Arab/Islamic which funnily enough is in your video description. Being Arab is not synonymous with being Islamic. Pedro how about the recent case in America of a Father murdering his daughter for chatting to a boy online? Are we going to blame the 'Christian West' for that tragedy. Saudi Arabia has a backward brutal dictatorship which the West supports, how about directing your time and energy on that issue.
War and hate based on fairy tales. Muslims aren't the only ones that have fought, murdered and brainwashed for their religion. Believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the world will be a better place.
there is a similar story happened , in NY a man killed his daughter for sending electronic messages to a boy. The difference here is that in the report they didnt mention that he is american or christian, they just reported it as a crime w/out injecting prejudice in it..these crimes happen everywhere and with little search you will find prutality against women in america is by far more than any country, except for america no one created a prejudice so when stories come out they dont ring a bill.
for example in the news it was reported that a man microwaved his baby iam sure you heard the story, imagine if someone from a different country attached to it the fact that the man is christian, or american, making it seem that his culture is the problem for his criminal behaviour?...for you things that happen at home are considered isolated and detached from prejudice, while things that happen abroad get attached based on stereotype, while in fact its the same crimes happening everywhere
the problem here is that you take one news story of one criminal who committed a crime and you create a stereotype. Now imagine of the people of another culture read a news story about a murder in america and generalize it...you would find what he says as nonesense because for you these are crimes that happend by isolated individuals on daily basis in different states. This is exactly why i find what you say as nonesense because you take a criminal and his crime then attach to it a nationality
This is not concerning Islam itself. These kind of crimes happens in eastern countries more frequently, thats true BUT i think its directly related to culture itself. For example Turkey is also an Islamic country and in 21 st century there is almost no crimes recorded on this issue there are extreme cases but its still related to culture itself ( eastern part of turkey is more conservative "culture") So dont try to conclude this inhuman crimes on Islam. Islam is peace.
....certainly a valid point...but I would just like to say that 'a lot of backward and violent' behaviour comes from western cultures/societies too, but they are less projected/reported... so it needs to be recognised that selective coverage by the media also plays a role in distorting realities, thereby promoting divisions and indeed erecting barriers to understanding.... I pray Her Majesty's initiative will further the common mans desire for a harmonious co-existence..
Hello, I know this video is a response to the queen but I'd love to answer because I understand it and it's going on around me.
1)That man shouldn't have killed his daughter, he is an extremist. That punishment was due to the culture and not Islam. Islam has nothing to do with that, it's a peaceful religion.
The face book issue; yes I agree, it's really obvious. I am 17 living in the UAE and all my classmates talk about is "that really beautiful girl on face book". No need to explain anymore:)
u might say its a load of "you-know-what" to consider lookn at woman like that, but first of all, its causing people to objectify women. woman are not sex toys for men and their eyes. Another thing is that islam does prohibit looking at woman in such a manner, which find as a load of crap, but then again, look at how many rapes you hear about in the united states, the country of freedom, and compare that to the number of rapes in a country such a saudi arabia
an americans dont call all arabs terrorists? wastn it the christians of Britain and America that raped the african woman, killed their children, stole their wealth? was it not the so called christians that took blacks as slaves? why didnt ne one else say that was backwards?
its not christianity, Jewdism, or Islam that're the problem, its the people so get ur facts straight, dont judge one group and let others slide by!
an americans dont call all arabs terrorists? wastn it the christians of Britain and America that raped the african woman, killed their children, stole their wealth? was it not the so called christians that took blacks as slaves? why didnt ne one else say that was backwards?
its not christianity, Jewdism, or Islam that're the problem, its the people so get ur facts straight, dont judge one group and let others slide by!
It's not Islam's job to fix anything. It's up to the Arabian people just as it is up to Westerners to stop trying to antagonize with their singular claims to being civilized. You have bones in your backyard too, is it fair to just discuss one side's dirty laundry all the time.
And wasn't actually talking to you but seeing as your self appointed defender of the faith, i'll just let you carry on with your mighty shield of rightousness and religious gobble-de-goop.
You're talking like Islam is a singular entity sitting down directing what all Muslims do. It's pop culture now to criticize Islam for what a few nutcases do to represent it. By your twisted logic we should get all Christians to apologise for the massacres they committed over the centuries (and still do today) in the name of their religion.
Yes we should get Christians to apologise I couldn't agree more, everytime a politician say god in one of their speeches I squirm and think 'why are there so many morons in the world'
Stereotyped me there assuming i'm a Christian btw.
Wow, Dude! What happened to keeping cool, Now you're dropping affiliations and calling names, I expected more from ya. As for assumptions, who's assuming I am muslim here? I could be a buddhist agnost, atheist or shinto. You let your self-righteous political rhetoric run amuch with u.
I am not defending Islam because it doesn't need defense. It's an ideology, a concept, it's not a living thing and when you let Ideology control your life that's when you start seeing monsters everywhere like the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" (what is that?)
Made me laugh - Thanks
Oh and Pastafarians should unite, whoever they are? Unity is a good thing.
Not too bright are we? I didn't assume anything about you, I was making a point using your flawed logic. It's impossible and unrealistic to get people to apologise for things they have no control over and don't support. Leave the discussions for the grown ups eh?
24 yrs old huh, I'm 33, you see how 3 looks like boobies sideways, anyway, yes it is flawed logic to expect religions to apologise, so why did you suggest it?
These crimes mentioned are not necessarily because of Islam, they are repugnant cultural behaviours. For example there is female genital mutation in some Moslem countries, which has nothing to do with Islam. Similar crimes are committed against women in non-Moslem Asian countries by non-Moslems.
Islam like other religions is a backward school of thought, but it is not the only cause of the problem.
hey, i respect ur opinion but let me tell u somthn bout islam, u said religions are a backward school of thought," but look at the history of preislamic arabs. They used to bury their daughters alive because it was "shameful to have a female. they used to rape woman because woman were seen as insignificant and had no rights.Islam prohibited raping woman, adultry, and most of all, killing their daughters and other innocent people. Backwards was the arab way of thought, islam came to fix them.
1- If Arabs killed their daughter, where did the new babies come from?
2- Khadija (Muhammad's first wife) was famous for her wealth. In fact she bank rolled Muhammad
3- Before Islam Makkeh was the centre of commerce and people used to come to Kaaba for pilgrimage to pray to their Gods before Muhammad broke the by force. In fact Haj is the lyrics of the same custom, which was part of the local indigenous Arab culture
1- i didnt say all arabs did that, but Many did,and this is undenyable, read the history books
2-Khadija,the Prophet's(peace be upon him) wife was one of few woman who were wealthy, and part of this was due to the well known family of hears,and just because woman were regarded as objects,doesnt mean they weren't allowd to sell and buy
3- The Prohpet entered Makka,the day of its conquest,no blood was shed,so how was it by force?The people did not even fight back, nor say anything against him
its great that you've read it, now let me tell you how the Prophet described the verse.
-the verse says,to hit their disobedient wives after first warning them and then sending them to sleep in separate beds.
1- the Prophet said, "hitting them" is done only by using a small twig (siwaak) and taping them on the wrist, this is done only to show the woman you are upset with her.
2- sleeping in different beds is to show how dissappointed you are of her,and is not allowed to last more than 3 days.
after the 3 days, if it lasts that long, the man must return to his wife and appologise, even if he still feels he has been wronged.
So before u judge a verse, learn wat revolves around that verse in terms of translation, and not a word to word one, because the quran is more than just literal meanings, just like many other religions..
eg. "adam and eve eating from the forbidden fruit..." and thats only one example,
people, please dont be so ignorant of other religions
Yes, my concern is that there appears to be something inherent in Islam that fosters violent and extreme responses to situations that others would seek to solve by more peaceable means.
Hi Pedro. I also hope that she'll respond to you question. However, I'd also like to note that although I share your impression that many islamic countries seem disturbingly backward, I don't think we can tie too much of that to the religion. The history of christian nations is also filled with brutality -- which has fortunately improved over time. The improvements seem to be associated with better education, democracy, etc.. Maybe that's what's missing in many islamic countries?
i agree, ive been raised in canada all my life, and just recently came to saudi arabia. and indeed its one of the lowest ranked countries in terms of education, the level of democracy is limited with certain issues, and the culture plays a huge role in incidences such as the one mentioned by Mr.Pedro. Check the backgorund of the man who killed his daughter, although his name is a a muslim one, i assure you he was not a religious man
actually lol, i have, and i gota admit some are doin the wrong thing but its not cuz of islam, its cuz they simply dont know how to deal wit ppl hear, i mean their beduins (nomads) so wat do u expect lol. and i came accross more than one, and i gotta say 3/4 of them were actually really nice
I think you could likely say all religions, cultures, and ethnicities foster violence if you only focus on people who did it under those banners. People could say Euro culture was inherently violent and oppresive only looking at wars, the modern slave trade, witchcraft hysteria, white supremists, women's suffurage, and colonialism. Whenever we as Westerners look at the horrors of other cultures, we must consider how we would look if judged on the same criteria. Extremism is blind to culture.
Her Majesty was looking for stereotypes and that was what I supplied. Whether or not a particular stereotype represents the truth, partial truth or the prejudice of the observer is a matter of debate and will vary depending upon circmstances. No race has cornered the market in evil or good because the condition of the human heart is the key issue and that is common to all, wherever they are from. However, some would argue that Islam fosters violence to a greater degree than other beliefs, why?
Once unpon a time some Christians claimed Christianity condoned slavery, the subjugation of women, and the inferiority of African people. The issues is not with a religion itself, usually, but with the way in which it is interpreted in a particular society or power structure. When people manipulate religions to be violent and oppresive, it usually tends to serve them, their culture, or anything else that allows them to gain and maintain power. It may also be fear of what they do not understand.
People may argue Islam fosters violence because they have been victims of individuals who have used it to that end, or do not know much about the religion as a whole. When these people are not Muslim, lack of knowledge about the religion may usually be the case. When they are Muslim, it may be the particular societies in which they have lived have interpreted the meaning of Islam as such. Why do think some people call x-tianity thw "White Man's" religion, despite its Jewish and Mid-east origins?
Bearing in mind that the majority of Christians in the world today are not white I can only assume that it's ignorance of that fact that would cause anybody to think otherwise.
Very true. Many Westerners are oblivious to the movements in other continents. Going from my own life, most of American society seems to be self-absorbed with itself. It is diffcult for many to relate to global issues and concerns; although there is currently a Free Tibet movement in light of the upcoming games.
Well a few observations have lead me to that opinion, tnooakes2007. When I say self-absorbed, I mean the society as a whole rather than all individuals; that would be ignorant. Part of it comes from the current state of the news here. Lately they focus more on scandals, controversy, and celebrities. Not much is mentioned about the rest of the world, or many other important issues you'd think the news would provide(with the exception of NPR).
Another thing are the societal messages that tell us to consume and self-indulge. That is part of the reason we have the major credit crisis; people wanting to pay for stuff they don't need with money they don't have; except housing. Cosmetic surgery is rising, sickly thin is "beautiful", and corporations run everything at the expense of the larger people. The society is too focused on nonsense here to care much about serious global issues. Many can't even find most other countries on a map.
To refer to my point about some who see x-istianity as a Caucasian religion, it's not about whether they are knowlegdable about it's globally or not. My point was that a person perception of a religion, its practices, and purposes can be heavily affected by who presents it to them. If the people in power follow cruel, brutal, and oppresive interpretations of it, a person growing up in that society is more likely to think the entire religion is such. Sometimes packaging trumps content.
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ZezoUno 9 months ago
It's not just stereotype... There is truth to some of it... and the queen is a case in point. One cannot post comments directly. They have to be approved. None of my comments are approved because they ask whey the "queen" refuses to address the issue of class. Yes, there is the whole gender thing which caters to Western fantasies, but what about class? what about her excessive wardrobe?
loullla 1 year ago
arabs are crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jokkepokke95 1 year ago
I'm 100% Arab. My mom is Muslim and my dad Christian. I am Christian and my mon's side of the fam are very comfortable with it and love me just as much. When they can't find mosques in NY, they pray in churches. So my fam is living proof that there ARE open minded muslims, and we aren't the exception. If you go to the ME, you'll be really surprised.
4362 3 years ago
Rania
Do not challenge the intelligence of WORLD, because the ME- with all its disgraceful problems is an integral part of the world.
So, faking these ingratiating smiles before the blunt judging eyes of West will never make the Midddle East any better than what really it is.
Please , Queen Rania, Save you inititives to address the First World through the lofty air that exist above the short real disgraceful (moral,religious,social and economical heights) of your region : Middle East.
gzaly 3 years ago
Have you ever been to the ME? How many countries have you visited? How many families have you encountered? It is either you are a biased Jew or just an ignorant who relies on CNN, Fox news or another infected Western media, for the way you condemn the whole ME as if it is one place! There are many different groups, believes and cultures in the ME, to think of the whole region as one place is pretty ignorant!
beyouself22 3 years ago
To say to someone "... you are a biased Jew..." is to imply that the Jew is inherently inclined to perceive reality in a certain way. But, aren't all humans this way? You yourself are biased in giving such a negative connotation. True that Western media is highly unreliable, yet sources within the ME, such a Al Jezeera and Al Arabiya, and even Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post in Israel, are all biased! Why? Because of worldview. To make blanket statements is wrong, but one cannot deny...
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
All media controllers are biased... Al jazeera mostly provides true evidence. Example: the horrible images of the recent attack on Gaza, proof of use of int'lly illegal weapons against them, Aljazeera brdcasts horrible images in a manner provoking the Arab and Muslim hatred, but all evidence they provide is true. Western media hide evidence and provokes hate against Islam and ME to twist public opinion for political reasons...
beyouself22 3 years ago
I'd disagree with that statement. As we all know, Hamas were the only ones to release preliminary news out of Gaza during Operation Cast Lead and in fact inflated the statistics. An independent Italian reporter confirmed that Hamas had inflated the numbers to garner international support. Al Jezeera, of course, broadcast those images and statistics which Hamas released. Mainstream Western media did the same and had to retract on it's reporting. The evidence is bent on account of bias everywhere.
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
when organizations of human rights stand together in attempt to sue Israel officials for war crimes, when few noble western doctors travel to Gaza and work under war conditions and then carry the picture to the world speaking out of their own experience and no statistics from Hamas.... that can't be biased.... phosphoric bombs in the most populated area of the world, that is no biased news, these are facts....
beyouself22 3 years ago
Credible reports noted that they weren't phosphoric bombs. War crimes? Oh wait, you mean the "disproportionate retaliation" of Israel? Get a grip man. 8 years of bombing compared to three weeks. And these Westen doctors of course experienced terrible circumstances, but in the heat of war. These people were not civilians but combatants. And I just want to add one more thing. If Israel did soooooooo much damage, why has Hamas not CEASED to bombard southern Israel? Go figure...
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
what you are asking for is for Hamas to throw down their weapons, live under siege and occupation until they drain to death, along with the 1.5 million creatures living in conditions that are not suitable even for animals... PA fight for their right of survival dragging the attention of Israelis and the world with the rockets.. this is called rebellion against oppression..... Israel does not keep a promise but Hamas has to give up its rights and the rights of the people.. fair game!
beyouself22 3 years ago
Fair game? How can you say that? Do you not remember history? Egypt and Jordan both had issues with Israel, and yet now Israel has peace agreements with both! What is it that Egypt and the Hashemite Kingdom have that the PA does not? It's not a matter of throwing down weapons to be destroyed. This isn't a Crusade. This is the self-determination of a people, just as much as "Palestinians". But there canot be peace without one recognizing the other, and I mean Hamas. Hamas is unwilling to do that.
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
... that specific groups can be labeled as what they are. Not all of the ME is part of the Third World and not all of the ME subscribes to radical Islam. But nonetheless both exists. Concerning American sentiments, remember one thing: Each country is out for their own. When a group decides to "attack" in any way, shape or form another entity to which it ascribes adversity, the "attacked" entity will retaliate. It is only natural and normal. But! We must be open-minded enough to find a better way
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
if jews are to ignore the war crimes they condemn against Palestinians who are occupied, live under siege, particularly in Gaza in the biggest jail of the most highly populated area in the world with no place to hide and showered with air strikes for almost a month killing over 1500, injuring over 4000, over half of which are women and children. If average Jews do not stand against it, it is either they don't know (ignorants' or programmed to accept killing of others to ensure their survival!
beyouself22 3 years ago
I humbly disagree. Yes suffering is awful and should not be inflicted on anyone. But your facts are skewed. The Italian reporter noted that the death toll was more around 400-500, mostly male combatants recruited by Hamas. The point isn't recognizing Israeli wrongdoing, the point is BOTH sides letting go. If the PA lets go of radical Islam, and Israel let's go of hard-rightist lines, then something can be done. But Gaza brought it on by electing Hamas deomcratically in 2005 when Israel left.
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
Suffering is awful indeed. Every human is entitled for a normal safe life.... Human beings are so greedy.... I'm starting to lose faith in all humanity.... people could be mush happier if they let go of greed. We live on a beautiful earth and fight over it as if it belongs to anyone... instead of living in peace and harmony.... how stupid is that!! waste life on war...... no other creature could be as stupid I guess. Imagine if all the people sharing all the world.... just imagine.....
beyouself22 3 years ago
With this I agree. We are the only creatures who fall in the same ditch twice. It is sad to see suffering and pain. This is not what is supposed to happen. But let's be realists. Hate is real. Power struggles are real. The only way to get passed them is to recognize that the other side is as human as you are. I do believe Israel knows this. And I do believe man Palestinians know this as well. But the governing bodies don't, as in the PA.
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
I'm not blaming the PA totally, but c'mon, they haven't always had the best interest of the people at heart. Just as Israel's government hasn't lately. we must agree to disagree in some areas, and work out others. Reality setting in, we must help the economic lot of Palestinians. Because if you have money, a stable job, a stable environment and a house, why are you going to turn to radicalism? Perhaps improving their economies first will help Palestinians more than a state? What do you think?
chrismaapostolos 3 years ago
Exactly. The dummiest thing Israel did is pull the international community's empathy against it, by the massive detestation they caused in Gaza, instead of offering them a decent life, they gained more enemies than friends. Economic stability is a good step to start with. Let's dream Israel adopts your way of thinking.....
beyouself22 3 years ago
People are also rebelling against the West's unconditional support for Israel and all the atrocities it is comitting on Arabs.....So what I am trying to say is that religion isn't perfect. All religions have their faults. However, the Koran itself can't be to balme for all the barbarism and terrorism in the region.
4362 3 years ago
The Taliban was also financed and supported by the US to fight communism. Now both of these beatiful countries are destroyed and backward. As for Saudi,it has very strong reltions with the States. The States loves the dictatorship, because Saudi can do what the US wants without people rebelling. They are too scared to rebel.
Other strong reasons for the rise in radicalsm in the middle east are: that people are poor, uneduated and are in a state of WAR.
4362 3 years ago
The Church was also used in europe to control the masses. However, Europe broke out of this dilemma. So why hasn't the Middle East broken out of it yet? Well, it did! Then it went back to it. Why? Well let's start with Iran. It was an open and rich country. As the threat of communism rose and as the Shah was relying less on the states, the States funded a new gov of radicals to take over andcombat communism. This is the gov. you see today. look it up yourself.
4362 3 years ago
Muslims were educating themselves with the Koran. they were innovating and thinking for themselves. The kings found it hard to rule the countries because the Koran was seen as higher than them. So some Arab govs. declared that we should stop questioning Islam because it is too powerful for the human mind. The Sharia law was created and ISN'T part of the Koran. It's an interpretation! By forcing people to stop questioning and start living by this law, the gov. was able to control the people.
4362 3 years ago
Well I beleive the gov. in Arab countries to play a role in barbaric attitudes of some people. Back in the day, when Europe was barbaric and in the dark ages, the Muslim world was flourishing. They were the philosophers, astronomers and they brought the renaissance to europe. So What happened? How did the role between Muslims and the West reverse? Let me tell you...
4362 3 years ago
So, what I am trying to say in terms of Saudi's barbaric ways is that it is a very new counyry and it needs time to develop and flourish. I don't think it is because it is a Muslim country. Jus look at other Muslim countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Lebanon, Indonesia, Morocco and Tunisia. They are older and not nearly as barbaric. Of course many Arab countries are poor and have a lot of corruption. However,I don't believe that's based on the religion either.
4362 3 years ago
I understand the point that you are making but I would draw a distinction between governments and what they are seeking to achieve and the attitude of some people within the countries that can only be described as barbaric. Examples? Those Moslems who went on the rampage in Indonesia beheading Christians on one of their islands. The disturbing practice of young girls being taken from the UK by their families and forcibly married against their will in Pakistan.
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
As an Arab I think that report is disturbing and disgusting. Saudi is the most extreme of the Arab countries. Yes it is barbaric. However, It is also a very new country. In England is much older and more developed than Saudi. However, back in the dark ages or Victorian times, it was legal for men o beat their wives with sticks and put cages on their faces. Women were also deemed as witches and killed. Now is, what I believe, the dark age for Saudi. The people in the country are still tribal.
4362 3 years ago
Bad behaviour is essentially something for which the individual must take responsibility. Terrible things are still done in the UK in this 21st Century. True the law may have become more enlightened over the years but people are still capable of great acts of cruelty. In the UK Christian reformers have been in the forefront of campaigns and changes in the law over the past 300 years or so to see a fairer and less cruel society. However, much work remains to be done.
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
- Queen Rania of Jordan is not saudi.
- the beaten to death insident is not more than a rumer, but almalki words are true and its not more than his own belives. in which, i belive in to a certian extent.. yes youth are waisting more time on stupid things.
- the inscident of the dead woman is not an easy one line sentence, its a long story.
i know i didnt give a full answer, but just wanted to reply from a saudi POV.
fte999 3 years ago
Tahnks for watching. Where does Queen Rania come from?
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
she is The Queen Of jordan, capital Amman.
which is north of Saudi Arabia (rhyadh)
fte999 3 years ago
Yes I know but she was talking about stereotypes of the Arab world and Islam and The Saudi news report happened to be in the news in the UK at the time she put her video.
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
I am an Arab young woman. This story has nothing to do with Islam. Actually Islam is against the so-called honor killing. Although Unfortunatly honor-killing is a problem. You usually find that mentality in poor or highly conservative families. Mind you conservative does not equal religious. Or in a part of the Arab world where it is male-central mentality. And in the past 5 years I would say. The Arabic population have increased thier fight and public speaking out about these crimes.
3olaa 3 years ago 3
Thank you for your comment. Do you think that part of the problem may be that some people who consider themselves Islamic do not take their faith seriously but rather follow their national/local cultural traditions? I believe that "honour" killings appear in a number of different cultures where the Islamic faith may or may not be in the majority or even appear at all. What is your view on this?
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
I think you find these "honour" crimes mostly in collective societies. With people with high sense of keeping the family/clan name clean. They believe that somehow by killing someone who brought dishonour to their family will eliminate that dishonour in itself. And we shouldn't stop at men killing women. I have heard cases of sons killed. Although they don't make it to the headlines much. Simply I think it is general lack of education. Any society can break free from this if they are educated.
lamaloom 3 years ago 3
sorry I didn't notice I was logged on under my sisters account "Lamaloom".. But moreover here you have to enter the roles of governments too. If you live in a country where whenever someone has the guts to stand up and speak against these crimes is silenced then you will never get society to understand.
3olaa 3 years ago 2
I was really pleased to see that Queen rania came out strongly against "honour killings" making it clear that "...there was no honour in them."
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
hmm..in islamic religion ..if some one find his wide with another man and he had no evidence..like the other man ran while he bring the widenesses ..the man cant kill his wife like that ...and he cant even speak without 4 widenesses....he only can accuse her and ask the curs of god if he was a lier ..so she can avoide it to say she is pure and ask the anger of god if she was not ..
why all thees complected process ?
becaus the man cant just kill his wife like that .
fighttonight 3 years ago
This is my point dombatts, the author of this video is not taking a very educated outlook. The Queen said bring forward your sterotypes so we could discuss and break stereotypes, but the author of this video is simply doing the opposite by saying Islam is all fucked up. I'm no where near being muslim but these are simple sterotypes people who have weak outlooks or opinions have to go with what they heard in the media.
joestyllo 3 years ago
South Park creators, Parker and Stone, put it best in their episode Go God Go XII (second of two parts).
"In the hands of irrational people, 'isms' always lead to violence."
clonemewhenidie 3 years ago
The story of the girl is really sad. What the girl suffered is a cultural drawback. No normal father could do this to his daughter. He just killed an innocent soul and if he believes in Islamic teachings, he should know that he is condemned. Globalization put ignorant conservative societies in a tough position. They just need time to blend in. So we are to blame some drawbacks in the culture and not Islam. The Prophet of Islam, who Muslims take as their idol never hit a soul!
beyouself22 3 years ago
It has nothing to with Islam as you say Islam does not give any "muslim" the right to do any such thing. This man did for his own personal reaction.
trek9090 3 years ago
It is not the question of the extent of brutality. It is the question of expression of such brutality as an input to the biased media. American and British soldiers in Iraq showed clear signs of brutality, children get killed in London (I am a londoner) maybe not as a result of ideology but as a result of perversion or mental problem. We just dont see them as obvious
ehsan5512 3 years ago
ehsan: I see clearly & reject your comments as they are oblivious to reality. Just think what the entire Middle East would be like if the Camp David accord had been accepted by Arafat & the Palestinian people. 30 years later think of the lives that would have been lived. Think of what The Lebanon & Palestine could look like now. When the US leaves Iraq you will have a Shia bloodbath supported by Iran. And, we will leave soon because, like Vietnam, the people do not care about a democracy.
formerhilli 3 years ago
(cont), Azerbigianis, Sudanese, janjouwie, Kazacks, Kuwaitis, Saudis, Hamas, PLO, Bin Laden, Huks, Al Queda, Hezbollah....I am sick of the KILLING: Serb on Muslim, Muslim on Muslim, Muslim on Jew, Americans on Terrorist (except for those they kill out of fear or mistake or indifference - but not target at Muslims) Greek on Turk, Turk on Kurd, Hindu on Muslim and Pakistani on Hindus. It is the madness of a new dark age that should have ended with Hitler and the fall of the Soviet. But ON & ON..
formerhilli 3 years ago
Cont: And I did not even mention the sawing off of prisoners heads, posting it on the internet, and calling that scum heros. We sent our soldiers to prison for nude ridicule of Iraqi prisoners. I would love an Arab-Muslim world where the 60 year old resolution of the UN creating Israel was accepted & the world could get to the business of peace & brotherhood. In the meantime, it is going to get worse.
formerhilli 3 years ago
Yes people can be too extreme, but should all muslims be blamed for Honour killings?
Mafiadaughter 3 years ago
I agree that you cant look at incidents like the one that was described, as part of the culture as a whole. It's just i have read about similar incidents quite often where people have gone to the extreme.
It makes it hard not to stereotype that this culture have these beliefs which to us westerners, is rather backward. Also if this is a minority, how come the incidents that i hav read about have happened in the western part of the world?
7AlwaysHere7 3 years ago
anecdotal evidence... imagine taking a few examples from any western nation (pedofiles...serial killers... swingers...) and saying that is your entire culture...
bigpoppaadam 3 years ago
do people believe this words????????
we (arab) one of the most peaceful people in the world. we have the lowest rate of murders, suicides or extortions in the world.
i never heard that children shoot others like in westren countries. with respect guys.
but killing and brutal is not us.
sorry for my poor english :)
barhoom18 3 years ago
No. Instead arab governments sanction honor killings because someone might fall in love. The sanction everything from stoning to chopping off the hands of thieves. And this won't appear because this site is now sanitizing the debate.
They sanction making women 2nd class citizens and they sanction the teaching of hatred in their schools. Our government sanctions none of that.
formerhilli 3 years ago
oh my god!!
i cant believe how media made this opinion on you!
am an Arab from Syria and i live in UAE - Dubai.
first of all,governments do not have the right to kill anybody if they fall in love!!!!
r u serious?! 95% of arab songs talks about love and lovers. BTW... we dont have metal music or loud music. it all soft and peaceful!
and only in saudi arabia goverment kill adulterer or bitches. but it rare and they have to got 4 adult witness before they execute them.
barhoom18 3 years ago
and second thing, there is NO 1st class or 2nd class or white or black skin people. we all equal.
about the school, do u think that our schools teach our kids how to kill people or bad things.???
and one last question : where the hell did you got this information!
nice to meet you and i will try to do a video response ... am shy :)
lol
barhoom18 3 years ago
barhoom18: You could read "Infidel" by a muslim Somali born woman who also lived in Saudi-Arabia and attended Koran schools in all three. Same story. You could also read "Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini, an Afgan, & he will tell you the same story. 121 honor killings occurred in the NETHERLANDS by muslims in 2001 & we do get the picture of your peaceful song. And, ONLY THE SAUDI Gov't kills adulterers OR bitches...sheez you think the entire world is not catching on to you dark-age thugs?
formerhilli 3 years ago
i will try to read "Kite Runner".
but why i have to read a books about us while am living here in Middle East.
Gosh ... there is a big big gap between us :(
we have to communicate more.
about 2001 NETHERLANDS ... why did u say by MUSLIMS? do islam told them to kill poeple. or did they do this for islam?!?
what is the meaning of the last sentence ?
barhoom18 3 years ago
Barhoom18: Maybe I am wrong about you? If you read Kite Runner & Infidel and recontact me. I would hope to enjoy your insight into these two experiences. I am 57 and tired of War...I grew up with the continuous 60 year war in Palestine & Israel. I went to War at 18. Syrians, Druze, Copts, Jews, Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Sunni, Shia, Iragis, Tajiks, Hazawa, Afgans, Bosnians, Serbs, Macedonians, Albanians, Cypriots, Pakistanis, Hindus, Assyrians, Arabs, Chechens, Armenians (cont)
formerhilli 3 years ago
The best question I've heard so far. Excellent video.
TAPS711 3 years ago
I think it is important for people to realize that religion and tradition are two completely different things. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not every part of Arabic culture reflects or represents Islam.
rosesonagrave 3 years ago 2
well, we cant judge an entire nation just becaus of a punch of ppl who claims they represent the whole islamic world the majority don't do this type of actions its a real stereotype.
billjlo 3 years ago
We can blame Saudi Arabia for exporting hate from its mosque leaders. Who told you we can't?
TAPS711 3 years ago 2
I'm a muslim.. I live in saudia arabia.. i spend hours on facebook.. hell u can even add me..
anyaway.....
I have to agree some saudiz really go to the extreme.. but do u really have to blame all the muslims and arabs for her death??
Mody00100 3 years ago 3
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Mody00100 3 years ago
True, but I think you should balance your argument. While agree with your outrage here, There are also good people in these countries that were born into that system and identify themselves through their culture and religion. In generalizing, your pushing the good with the bad and leaving them no hope. Look into conemoporary Moroccain or Algerian situation to get a balanced opinion b4 you blab out Arab generalizations. Most of the other southern Arab world doesnt agree themselves with Saudies
joestyllo 3 years ago
Joestyllo... balance? I thought Queen R asked for stereotypes ? This guy raised a pretty troubling question about women under Islam . He supported it with a strong example. Dismiss it with evasive crap but do you realise what that sounds like?
dombatts 3 years ago
Well done, mate. A very good video.
faggotmcshaggit 3 years ago
A line must be drawn and people in the west must not relate every brutal accident to Islam or the Arab world.
Basically, we have crazy ignorance people as every country. How many shooting accidents happened in the U.S in the last 2 years, so can you judge all the American people and labeling them murderers, not fair, right.!
I am in U.K right know, and I read about many horrible things happen around the country everyday, however I have never thought that British are brutal or backwards
Mushal84 3 years ago 5
good 1...Live Another Day.....watch it
davidreams 3 years ago
Great video. And if I may respond to some of the comments in here, the difference between domestic violence in the west and domestic violence in the middle east is this:
In the west it is shunned and considered an abberation. In the middle east domestic violence is supported, and in many cases demanded, at the religious and cultural levels.
Human beings can be violent, this is very true. But any people that integrate violence against women into their social fabric invite stereotyping.
katrar 3 years ago
Do you live in a middle eastern country to support your claim that domestic violance is supported and demanded?
I know saudi citizens who say this is an abnormality that everyone must fight and that the muslim community in saudi arabia when they hear of such stories would not accepted and will never support it or demand it.
lightbreeze21 3 years ago
what an advert for facebook
alcof89 3 years ago
This is not Islam, I heard about the story, let's not fix between culture and religion, those are bedwins who are living in the desert or used to and they do this because of cultural issues. Although they have a lot of oil and tall buildings they are still in stone age inside their heads I was touched when I heard the story but it has nothing to do with Islam it is certain people whith 1800ss mind set, Thanks for bringing this up
hashoomk 3 years ago
All of these comments below are so strange, they miss the point of this mans video completely. The Queen is asking for stereotypes and the man here is expressing one. No one is asking the base question, "What is Islam?" and expecting the answer in youtube comments.
I think an open discussion like this is a step in the right direction, even if it's going to be hard to get people to work together.
rrupple85 3 years ago 3
Those types of crimes happen every day in the west. Domestic violence exists in every society and every culture. Get a grip on reality.
MoslimKid 3 years ago 2
I totally agree.
But, may I ask, how come we dont frequently hear about domestic violence in OUR [[U.S.]] newspapers?
LlGabyLl 3 years ago 4
We here about them frequently in the news channels. The difference is that they are treated for what they are: Crimes of domestic violence. Non of those biased labels like "Honor killing," "crazy Muslim did this and that....etc"
MoslimKid 3 years ago 3
baby in microwave was in mine.
l2eset 3 years ago
Domestic violence exist in western countries, but there it is concidered as a cowardly crime which is not justified by any means. In muslim comunities the cowards doing this are talking about family honnor and even in Koran is written that muslim can beat his wife. So it is not about existence of such behavior, but about how it is seen in the eyes of society... As a coward act on one side, as an act of honour on the other...
xxRAVONxx 3 years ago
That's BS. Where is it OK in the holy Quran? Prove your statement. And stop pointing to criminals and say this is Islam. It's not.
MoslimKid 3 years ago
I'm currently living in saudi arabia and nothing of that sort was reported in the newspapers over here. Otherwise it would have been front page news like all the other incidents similar to this.
rencrow 3 years ago
Saudi Arabia and Iran take most of the focus when discussing 'brutal Arabs'. Such shortsighted perspectives are used only to confirm conditioned racism. The Islamic and Arab worlds are much more expansive than that of a few countries. You could find any country led by any culture and religion and find inhumanity. The US and England come to mind.
basicallyShane 3 years ago 3
the queen is a vapid waste of time he is not fit to speak to her.
terrychristmas 3 years ago
thankyou for saying what most british people think. Queen Rania is hardly your avarage run of the mill spokes person of the Arab world, she's in a privaliged position.
I'de like to ask the question the other way around, ask them what their stereotypes of us are, and I'm pretty sure their responses would be completely intollerent, compared to your response.
Well done keeping your cool, I'm not sure I could.
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
wow, What are you keeping your cool for? I hardly think there is so much hatred that you compliment a man for keeping his composure in a public forum. That shows intolerance and anger on your part, If you have to keep cool about a youtube post. All discussions demand composure and understanding, it's not a football tournament, everyone should say what they feel without feeling angry and allow others to say as they feel. that is the basis for understanding, not keeping score and high-fiving.
iakkik 3 years ago
I'm keeping my cool because i'm not a hater.
Islam wants to kill me, thats complete and utter intolerance. why should I not say how I feel ?
Saying it's not a football tournament is a stereotype of British people, I don't follow football.
I said what I felt without hating, so did you, so thats a start huh.
peace
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
peace,
P.S The football thing was a cheap shot but unintentional
iakkik 3 years ago
It may be backwards and Brutal but it's not isolated to the Arabian peninsula. All cultures have uneducated fathers who follow the teachings of their local religious leader to the letter and do tragic and idiotic things like this.
To highlight it shows that western media is mored interested in placing rather than understanding. Understanding comes first and then you can discuss the good and the bad, there is no room for blame or judgement in cultural communication.
iakkik 3 years ago
*placing Blame
iakkik 3 years ago
And to answer your question about facebook. You said that there are 30,000 users of facebook in Saudi Arabia. If Islam is teaching Muslims to kill anyone who talks to the other sex, why weren't the 30,000 users all get murdered by their parents?
TheNightOwl123 3 years ago
bravo and on point.
Ellendejavu 3 years ago
If one keeps asking others what Islam is, was Mohammad a good man or not, or anything related to Islam, then he will get different views and opinions.
If you or anyone really wants to know what Islam really is, read the Quran. And then you will know. You can get free from an Islamic center or you can read it online quranexplorer(dot)com
TheNightOwl123 3 years ago
It is not the teaching of islam.This is just people who are extremist and doesn't understand the true teaching of Islam.
noveras 3 years ago
Great question...
I think you might need to remember that much of the world we currently live in (and here I mean the west) too has many massively "Backward" and "brutal" ideas (and Ideologies if you like) currently being exported worldwide.
I think very easily an Middle Easterner could post a response with an equally disturbing character about um lets say, Nambla and free speech... or maybe the War strategies of America and Britain (a bit obvious i know)
Dogmatic belief is dangerous erwhere
Gnosistic 3 years ago
i think your all muppets
ricardo135 3 years ago
Arabia is huge and complex. u can get places were nude beaches and prostitution is legal and places were wearing shorts is considered a taboo .
Ramox3 3 years ago
How about the stereotype called the 'Arab World' or Arab/Islamic which funnily enough is in your video description. Being Arab is not synonymous with being Islamic. Pedro how about the recent case in America of a Father murdering his daughter for chatting to a boy online? Are we going to blame the 'Christian West' for that tragedy. Saudi Arabia has a backward brutal dictatorship which the West supports, how about directing your time and energy on that issue.
TheStruggleContinues 3 years ago 3
cant agree anymore. very nicely worded
Ramox3 3 years ago
War and hate based on fairy tales. Muslims aren't the only ones that have fought, murdered and brainwashed for their religion. Believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the world will be a better place.
dragonious77 3 years ago
there is a similar story happened , in NY a man killed his daughter for sending electronic messages to a boy. The difference here is that in the report they didnt mention that he is american or christian, they just reported it as a crime w/out injecting prejudice in it..these crimes happen everywhere and with little search you will find prutality against women in america is by far more than any country, except for america no one created a prejudice so when stories come out they dont ring a bill.
kingofusers 3 years ago 2
for example in the news it was reported that a man microwaved his baby iam sure you heard the story, imagine if someone from a different country attached to it the fact that the man is christian, or american, making it seem that his culture is the problem for his criminal behaviour?...for you things that happen at home are considered isolated and detached from prejudice, while things that happen abroad get attached based on stereotype, while in fact its the same crimes happening everywhere
kingofusers 3 years ago 2
the problem here is that you take one news story of one criminal who committed a crime and you create a stereotype. Now imagine of the people of another culture read a news story about a murder in america and generalize it...you would find what he says as nonesense because for you these are crimes that happend by isolated individuals on daily basis in different states. This is exactly why i find what you say as nonesense because you take a criminal and his crime then attach to it a nationality
kingofusers 3 years ago 3
pause at 1:19 it looks like hes havin fun with himself lol
NightBane345 3 years ago
This is not concerning Islam itself. These kind of crimes happens in eastern countries more frequently, thats true BUT i think its directly related to culture itself. For example Turkey is also an Islamic country and in 21 st century there is almost no crimes recorded on this issue there are extreme cases but its still related to culture itself ( eastern part of turkey is more conservative "culture") So dont try to conclude this inhuman crimes on Islam. Islam is peace.
y1617 3 years ago 3
....certainly a valid point...but I would just like to say that 'a lot of backward and violent' behaviour comes from western cultures/societies too, but they are less projected/reported... so it needs to be recognised that selective coverage by the media also plays a role in distorting realities, thereby promoting divisions and indeed erecting barriers to understanding.... I pray Her Majesty's initiative will further the common mans desire for a harmonious co-existence..
mia01now 3 years ago 2
Hello, I know this video is a response to the queen but I'd love to answer because I understand it and it's going on around me.
1)That man shouldn't have killed his daughter, he is an extremist. That punishment was due to the culture and not Islam. Islam has nothing to do with that, it's a peaceful religion.
The face book issue; yes I agree, it's really obvious. I am 17 living in the UAE and all my classmates talk about is "that really beautiful girl on face book". No need to explain anymore:)
Kanashto 3 years ago 3
And this is a sin? What a load of you-know-what
mre2u2 3 years ago
u might say its a load of "you-know-what" to consider lookn at woman like that, but first of all, its causing people to objectify women. woman are not sex toys for men and their eyes. Another thing is that islam does prohibit looking at woman in such a manner, which find as a load of crap, but then again, look at how many rapes you hear about in the united states, the country of freedom, and compare that to the number of rapes in a country such a saudi arabia
sadektube 3 years ago
Ohh and thats why they always spit on the people outside south Arabia. And treat people like shit. Ha give me a break Islam sucks like hell!
NightBane345 3 years ago
an americans dont call all arabs terrorists? wastn it the christians of Britain and America that raped the african woman, killed their children, stole their wealth? was it not the so called christians that took blacks as slaves? why didnt ne one else say that was backwards?
its not christianity, Jewdism, or Islam that're the problem, its the people so get ur facts straight, dont judge one group and let others slide by!
sadektube 3 years ago
an americans dont call all arabs terrorists? wastn it the christians of Britain and America that raped the african woman, killed their children, stole their wealth? was it not the so called christians that took blacks as slaves? why didnt ne one else say that was backwards?
its not christianity, Jewdism, or Islam that're the problem, its the people so get ur facts straight, dont judge one group and let others slide by!
sadektube 3 years ago
sry bout double post- internet issues, and this is a reply to nightbane by the way...
once again, sorry for double post
sadektube 3 years ago
All Muslims and black people ever talk about is things that happened so long ago that it's stupid. For example the crusades.
shlimshlom 3 years ago
then why doesn't Islam do something about it, instead of ignoring it?
reason: because it would go against the majority of Muslims culture therefore it is TOTALLY a part of Islam. It's Islam's problem.
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
It's not Islam's job to fix anything. It's up to the Arabian people just as it is up to Westerners to stop trying to antagonize with their singular claims to being civilized. You have bones in your backyard too, is it fair to just discuss one side's dirty laundry all the time.
iakkik 3 years ago
Sorry I was just trying to stay on topic.
And wasn't actually talking to you but seeing as your self appointed defender of the faith, i'll just let you carry on with your mighty shield of rightousness and religious gobble-de-goop.
All hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster
Pastafarians Unite !
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
You're talking like Islam is a singular entity sitting down directing what all Muslims do. It's pop culture now to criticize Islam for what a few nutcases do to represent it. By your twisted logic we should get all Christians to apologise for the massacres they committed over the centuries (and still do today) in the name of their religion.
TheStruggleContinues 3 years ago
Yes we should get Christians to apologise I couldn't agree more, everytime a politician say god in one of their speeches I squirm and think 'why are there so many morons in the world'
Stereotyped me there assuming i'm a Christian btw.
Athiest and proud thankyou.
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
Wow, Dude! What happened to keeping cool, Now you're dropping affiliations and calling names, I expected more from ya. As for assumptions, who's assuming I am muslim here? I could be a buddhist agnost, atheist or shinto. You let your self-righteous political rhetoric run amuch with u.
Cheers - Understanding is harder than u think!
iakkik 3 years ago
you see again that was a response to TheStruggleContinues, hense why you didn't get an email, you must be new here so I'll let you off :D
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
I am not defending Islam because it doesn't need defense. It's an ideology, a concept, it's not a living thing and when you let Ideology control your life that's when you start seeing monsters everywhere like the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" (what is that?)
Made me laugh - Thanks
Oh and Pastafarians should unite, whoever they are? Unity is a good thing.
iakkik 3 years ago 2
Not too bright are we? I didn't assume anything about you, I was making a point using your flawed logic. It's impossible and unrealistic to get people to apologise for things they have no control over and don't support. Leave the discussions for the grown ups eh?
TheStruggleContinues 3 years ago
lol religion is balls, it talks down to you.
24 yrs old huh, I'm 33, you see how 3 looks like boobies sideways, anyway, yes it is flawed logic to expect religions to apologise, so why did you suggest it?
evilbrainproductions 3 years ago
These crimes mentioned are not necessarily because of Islam, they are repugnant cultural behaviours. For example there is female genital mutation in some Moslem countries, which has nothing to do with Islam. Similar crimes are committed against women in non-Moslem Asian countries by non-Moslems.
Islam like other religions is a backward school of thought, but it is not the only cause of the problem.
shamalbaba 3 years ago 5
hey, i respect ur opinion but let me tell u somthn bout islam, u said religions are a backward school of thought," but look at the history of preislamic arabs. They used to bury their daughters alive because it was "shameful to have a female. they used to rape woman because woman were seen as insignificant and had no rights.Islam prohibited raping woman, adultry, and most of all, killing their daughters and other innocent people. Backwards was the arab way of thought, islam came to fix them.
sadektube 3 years ago
Sadektube, A few points about pre-Islamic Arabia:
1- If Arabs killed their daughter, where did the new babies come from?
2- Khadija (Muhammad's first wife) was famous for her wealth. In fact she bank rolled Muhammad
3- Before Islam Makkeh was the centre of commerce and people used to come to Kaaba for pilgrimage to pray to their Gods before Muhammad broke the by force. In fact Haj is the lyrics of the same custom, which was part of the local indigenous Arab culture
shamalbaba 3 years ago
1- i didnt say all arabs did that, but Many did,and this is undenyable, read the history books
2-Khadija,the Prophet's(peace be upon him) wife was one of few woman who were wealthy, and part of this was due to the well known family of hears,and just because woman were regarded as objects,doesnt mean they weren't allowd to sell and buy
3- The Prohpet entered Makka,the day of its conquest,no blood was shed,so how was it by force?The people did not even fight back, nor say anything against him
sadektube 3 years ago
Also, read Sureh Nesa, Vers 34 and judge for yourself how Islam advises on Men and Women relationship.
shamalbaba 3 years ago
its great that you've read it, now let me tell you how the Prophet described the verse.
-the verse says,to hit their disobedient wives after first warning them and then sending them to sleep in separate beds.
1- the Prophet said, "hitting them" is done only by using a small twig (siwaak) and taping them on the wrist, this is done only to show the woman you are upset with her.
2- sleeping in different beds is to show how dissappointed you are of her,and is not allowed to last more than 3 days.
sadektube 3 years ago 4
after the 3 days, if it lasts that long, the man must return to his wife and appologise, even if he still feels he has been wronged.
So before u judge a verse, learn wat revolves around that verse in terms of translation, and not a word to word one, because the quran is more than just literal meanings, just like many other religions..
eg. "adam and eve eating from the forbidden fruit..." and thats only one example,
people, please dont be so ignorant of other religions
sadektube 3 years ago 4
and please, continue to the next verse which says
""then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
sadektube 3 years ago 4
and please, continue to the next verse which says
""then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
sadektube 3 years ago 2
Good question.. Hopefully she will respond!
Frozenflamezz 3 years ago 5
It will interesting to see how Her Majesty replies. There are some sad & unfortunate stereotypes for sure, but also some sad & unfortunate facts.
jonno52 3 years ago 4
Yes, my concern is that there appears to be something inherent in Islam that fosters violent and extreme responses to situations that others would seek to solve by more peaceable means.
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
Hi Pedro. I also hope that she'll respond to you question. However, I'd also like to note that although I share your impression that many islamic countries seem disturbingly backward, I don't think we can tie too much of that to the religion. The history of christian nations is also filled with brutality -- which has fortunately improved over time. The improvements seem to be associated with better education, democracy, etc.. Maybe that's what's missing in many islamic countries?
whiteh12 3 years ago 4
i agree, ive been raised in canada all my life, and just recently came to saudi arabia. and indeed its one of the lowest ranked countries in terms of education, the level of democracy is limited with certain issues, and the culture plays a huge role in incidences such as the one mentioned by Mr.Pedro. Check the backgorund of the man who killed his daughter, although his name is a a muslim one, i assure you he was not a religious man
sadektube 3 years ago
Come across a Muttawa yet?
zizoe2006 3 years ago
actually lol, i have, and i gota admit some are doin the wrong thing but its not cuz of islam, its cuz they simply dont know how to deal wit ppl hear, i mean their beduins (nomads) so wat do u expect lol. and i came accross more than one, and i gotta say 3/4 of them were actually really nice
sadektube 3 years ago
I think you could likely say all religions, cultures, and ethnicities foster violence if you only focus on people who did it under those banners. People could say Euro culture was inherently violent and oppresive only looking at wars, the modern slave trade, witchcraft hysteria, white supremists, women's suffurage, and colonialism. Whenever we as Westerners look at the horrors of other cultures, we must consider how we would look if judged on the same criteria. Extremism is blind to culture.
ikkakubestbankai 3 years ago 2
Her Majesty was looking for stereotypes and that was what I supplied. Whether or not a particular stereotype represents the truth, partial truth or the prejudice of the observer is a matter of debate and will vary depending upon circmstances. No race has cornered the market in evil or good because the condition of the human heart is the key issue and that is common to all, wherever they are from. However, some would argue that Islam fosters violence to a greater degree than other beliefs, why?
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
Once unpon a time some Christians claimed Christianity condoned slavery, the subjugation of women, and the inferiority of African people. The issues is not with a religion itself, usually, but with the way in which it is interpreted in a particular society or power structure. When people manipulate religions to be violent and oppresive, it usually tends to serve them, their culture, or anything else that allows them to gain and maintain power. It may also be fear of what they do not understand.
ikkakubestbankai 3 years ago
People may argue Islam fosters violence because they have been victims of individuals who have used it to that end, or do not know much about the religion as a whole. When these people are not Muslim, lack of knowledge about the religion may usually be the case. When they are Muslim, it may be the particular societies in which they have lived have interpreted the meaning of Islam as such. Why do think some people call x-tianity thw "White Man's" religion, despite its Jewish and Mid-east origins?
ikkakubestbankai 3 years ago
Bearing in mind that the majority of Christians in the world today are not white I can only assume that it's ignorance of that fact that would cause anybody to think otherwise.
pedroatlarge 3 years ago
Very true. Many Westerners are oblivious to the movements in other continents. Going from my own life, most of American society seems to be self-absorbed with itself. It is diffcult for many to relate to global issues and concerns; although there is currently a Free Tibet movement in light of the upcoming games.
ikkakubestbankai 3 years ago
May I ask what leads you to believe that American society is "self-absorbed"? How does one come to that conclusion?
tnoakes2007 3 years ago
Well a few observations have lead me to that opinion, tnooakes2007. When I say self-absorbed, I mean the society as a whole rather than all individuals; that would be ignorant. Part of it comes from the current state of the news here. Lately they focus more on scandals, controversy, and celebrities. Not much is mentioned about the rest of the world, or many other important issues you'd think the news would provide(with the exception of NPR).
ikkakubestbankai 3 years ago
Another thing are the societal messages that tell us to consume and self-indulge. That is part of the reason we have the major credit crisis; people wanting to pay for stuff they don't need with money they don't have; except housing. Cosmetic surgery is rising, sickly thin is "beautiful", and corporations run everything at the expense of the larger people. The society is too focused on nonsense here to care much about serious global issues. Many can't even find most other countries on a map.
ikkakubestbankai 3 years ago
To refer to my point about some who see x-istianity as a Caucasian religion, it's not about whether they are knowlegdable about it's globally or not. My point was that a person perception of a religion, its practices, and purposes can be heavily affected by who presents it to them. If the people in power follow cruel, brutal, and oppresive interpretations of it, a person growing up in that society is more likely to think the entire religion is such. Sometimes packaging trumps content.
ikkakubestbankai 3 years ago