Start der Messerschmitt ME 262 auf der ILA 2010

[sentinel531]

why ban the swastika on old planes like this and in public these are planes that made history an killed many allied pilots

[Hickmaann90]

Herb Tischler tried to construct 6 Me-262. What happend with them?

[FiveCentsPlease]

@Hickmaann90

Tischler and his team at the Texas Airplane Factory did much of the work and reverse-engineering with the original Navy Me262 pattern aircraft from 1993 to 1997. There was a dispute between Tischler's company and the project sponsor, Classic Fighter Industries, so CFI took over the project and completed the 5 new examples in Seattle and returned the restored original to the Navy. The work is done and all aircraft have been sold.

[FiveCentsPlease]

@Hickmaann90

Oh, and the Me262 above is #2 of the new-build examples. It can be converted between a single-place cockpit to a dual-place cockpit by changing a few parts.

[starguard]

I was made to understand that the engines in this restored ME-262 are not the origional ones. They are modern jet engines that were installed to make the plane both legal to fly and safer. I wonder are there any ME-262's left that are operational with all the origional parts intact.

[FiveCentsPlease]

@starguard

Correct, modern engines, although this is one of five new-build examples and not a restored original. As to the second question, no, but an original is under restoration for flight with upgraded original engines. Whether this project will succeed is unknown.

[MegaKaiser45]

I agree! Those planes should still have the swastika on the tail-fin even though it's forbidden 'cause it's part of history

[CIWS1]

I love seeing these aircraft fly, It is good to see them rescued from the confines of grainy Black and white video. I heard they only built a handful of them from original jigs. It was not only a historic aircraft but a very beautiful looking one as well. Can't say it enough, love seeing these aircraft doing what they were designed to do. Fly.

[011258stooie]

I'm sick to f**king death hearing about 'Allied War Heros'.!!!!!!!

But the guys that went up against this in 1944, were !

[cory2146]

These must be fake, there is no swastika.

[oliver69cork]

I know the swastika has nightmarish implications for some but i do agree with some here in the interest of historical accuracy it should be on the planes.

[DornDaniel]

@oliver69cork But then they wouldnt even fly because they dont use the old engine, and i am sure there are other things that were replicated, but are not historically correct.

[spoada]

das ist BAD ASS!

[DAMIENloh1970]

Was that plane @0:18 the bf 109?..or was it the FW 190?

[SrAtoz]

@DAMIENloh1970 Bf 109.

[BlueBoy11033]

Schönes Video. Danke. Freu mich schon auf die ILA 2012.

[chris1980x]

in diesem Video kann mann sehr gut die größte Schwäche der 262 sehen: Sie hat nicht mehr diesen wunderschönen Sound der Kolbenjäger ;)

Trotzdem sehr schöne Maschine

[bombcat91]

Learjet engines CJ610 sound good on the Me-262 !

[aloisbembel]

Ich finde auch aus heutiger Sicht, dass der erste Düsenjäger der Welt gleichzeitig auch der schönste war.

[TyonKree]

@aloisbembel

Nur doof das die Me-262 nicht der erste Düsenjäger war.

Der erste Einsatzfähige schon. Aber nicht der erste.

[ronaldrobin]

To see these classic planes without the swastika on the tail-fin to me seems wrong. These planes made history. Should we hide history because some people feel that a symbol is bad. No, the war is over it ended 60 years ago Europe today is a close community lets keep it close and work together as friends and partners

[nogocologne]

@ronaldrobin

showing swastika in public is forbidden by law in germany. You can even get sued just by whistling the melody of the "Horst Wessel Song"....

[spoekenkieker1]

@nogocologne

The thoughts are free in Germany.:-))

But since they worked for 80 years on it.:-))

[OCBsebastian]

@nogocologne isnt that sad?? I mean we have nothing to do with the war, my parents have niothing to do with the war only my grandfather and grand mother did. so who the hell cares that we in this generation arent allowed to do it. I even had a long talk with my neighbour who is a surviver from ausschwitz and he also says its stupid to completly wipe out the past, as if germany is to ashamed

[pontifexish]

@OCBsebastian Well, nobody is telling the current generation of Germans that they should be ashamed of themselves--but the Nazi past is shameful and that will never change. It's the same with the issue of slavery in the U.S.--I wasn't around for it, but I have to acknowledge that it was a shameful period in our history. Don't be such a cry-baby. It could be worse--you're lucky you're alive now and not in, say, 1943, freezing to death in Stalingrad.

[pontifexish]

@nogocologne Who walks around with the urge to whistle the Horst Wessel song?

[MrBuddydan]

@pontifexish .Sped up and played as a fast dance in local German club.Very catchy tunen but i prefer to whistle/hum "Ade Polenland" while wargaming.

[jocking3]

@nogocologne That means that there is no real freedom of speech in germany.

[nogocologne]

@jocking3

no there is not. It is "simulation" of free speech.

[BrigadierCristero]

@jocking3 There is absolutely no freedom of speech in Germany. A paradox in a supposedly first world country, but not because of the german people, but because of the jews who rule nowadays the world.

[M42KX]

@jocking3 There is none in the netherlands either.

[agumon12]

@nogocologne

What if someone is Hindu, they can't display the swatzika either under German Law??

[nogocologne]

@agumon12

strictly speaking Hindus are allowed to show/wear the swastika but ONLY in context of a religious gathering/celebration.

On the other side a coin dealer who wants to sell coins from 3rd Reich era is not allowed to show the coins in public...

[197lst]

@nogocologne I was in a hobby shop in Augsburg Germany a few years back- I saw models in a display case that had tape covering the tails of the German planes. I asked the young gentlemen "why the tape" and he told me... "the symbol is forbidden by law in Germany". I told him "Not in the USA" and he seemed very surprised. I explained to him the German aircraft on display at the USAF Museum have the symbol- he was very shocked (he actually seemed pleased history wasn't being hidden)!

[M42KX]

@nogocologne Well, that sucks major.

[ronaldrobin]

@ronaldrobin What a pity that discrimination of that sort is still practised today. To deny the use of the swastika on the tail of a plane just seems foolish and hard. I was born during an air raid by the German Luftwaffe but as you can see I survived. I have a great deal of respect for the German pilots and soldiers and have the autographs of three German air aces two of them on drawings of an ME 109. and one an ME262 pilot. I have no hatred of what took place as it was history.

[kolkrabe19]

@ronaldrobin The war isn´t over. There´s no peace treaty. That´s why.

[pontifexish]

@ronaldrobin Oh, come on--the crosses aren't enough for you? You need to see the swatika? Grow up.

[hoss44467xh]

thats because of the cry-baby jews that just need to fade away.6-million dont think so there werent even that many of the bastards in eroupe they just like to spread their zionist propaganda and cry over nothing.

[Gruenkreuz100]

@ronaldrobin The swastika isn't just a political symbol of the past. It is nearly as old as humanity and is very powerful. For this reason the use of it is not allowed in germany and you can get up to 5 yr jail.

[ronaldrobin]

@Gruenkreuz100 I was born in England during WWll at a time when the Luftwaffe was bombing us, yet I never heard any talk of hate toward them from my family. I just think its a shame that some nations just want to keep reminding Germany of its past. The war is over it ended 60 odd years ago and is history. We cant change history but we can learn from it. When ever I see old photographs or German soldiers I always say to myself that I hope they made it home safely after the war .

[gekko14]

@ronaldrobin I agree 100% The history of the jet is the important issue and yes the Swastika is part of that history.

[M42KX]

@ronaldrobin Fuckin' hypocrites. In America you can just walk around in nazi uniform and nazi banners.... Same as in WW2 games, where the swastika is replaced by crosses.... It's not the same. Swastika's now!

[SuperBenkoo]

Get a tripod.

[itsnotfunnyHAHA]

das danebne war ne me 109 g oder e wenn ich mich nicht irre

[Sokra01]

Man sieht auch, das es keine Originaltriebwerke sein können. Sie sind ein ganzes Stück weiter vorne angeordnet als das Original (soviel ich weiß, hatte die Original ME 262 sogar Probleme weil die Triebwerke nicht optimal angeströmt werden konnten)

[Vollhirni]

Ich würde öfter zu einer Flugschau oder zu einem Autorennen gehen, wenn nicht grundsätzlich der Kommentator ein dummschwätzender Idiot, der von der Materie keine Ahnung hat und sich selbst gern reden hört, wäre. Um genau zu sein, am liebsten wäre mir persönlich KEIN Kommentator. Ich lese dann lieber die Dinge, die mich interessieren, in meinem Heftchen nach.

[baaamcarl]

@Vollhirni stimmt die nerven echt !!

[AirbornSoldier22]

@Vollhirni Deutsche halt ;) geh auf ne englische airshow oder sonst wo da ist das meistens was anderes *g*

[russguard]

@Vollhirni Da muss ich Dir absolut Recht geben! Vorletztes Jahr wollte ich am Nürburgring den Oldtimergrandprix und vor allem das Revival der Deutschen Rennmeisterschaft sehen und hören! Stattdessen mussten alle das permanente Gequassel aus den Lautsprecherboxen ertragen. Sehr schade!

[Keh0ol]

furchtbarer kommentator

der kriegt ja keinen zusammenhängenden satz raus

aber ein tolles stück ingenieurskunst

hat auch ein sehr ästhetisches design was für kriegsmaschinerie ja eher ungewöhnlich ist

würde sowas gerne mal live sehen (oder fliegen :P)

[MrSasz]

ich muss auch mal auf ne ILA ... fliegt die jedes mal?

[GTheidi]

sind die triebwerke noch nach originalbauart? weiss das jemand?

[nogocologne]

@GTheidi @GTheidi

Es sind General Electric J-85/CJ-610 series turbojet engines, keine Jumo 004.

Alle Details zur Replika gibts auf der Seite stormbirds

[TheDeathlord21]

@GTheidi

ich schätze mal dass die ,,alten" Triebwerke nicht eingebaut wurden, da diese teilweise noch ziemlich primitiv waren.

[nogocologne]

@TheDeathlord21

Es sind General Electric J-85/CJ-610 series turbojet engines, keine Jumo 004

[cube234]

@nogocologne

man sieht es eigentlich auch schon das das triebwerk viel zu sauber läuft, so das dies kein jumo sein kann

[NutzerYOu]

@TheDeathlord21 Primitiv?! WTF das ding war der erste kampfjet... die haben die blos nciht mehr weil die dinger sehr schnell abfackeln...

[fliiegerfreund]

@TheDeathlord21

die "alten Triebwerke" (Jumo 004B) hat man sicher deshalb nicht nachgebaut weil sie nicht so betriebssicher sind wie die heutigen ,das ist ausschlaggebend.Sicherheit geht vor.Im Vergleich zu heutigen Turbinen sind sie natürlich "primitiver" aber zu ihrer Zeit waren sie high tech von high tech es gab nichts besseres in Bezug auf den Antrieb für schnelle Flugzeuge (Me 262 , Ar 234)

[MrCrossbiker]

@TheDeathlord21 Die Originaltriebwerke waren sehr wartungsintensiv und mussten nach ca.20 Flugstunden grundüberholt werden.Weiterhin musste der Gashebel beim Beschleunigen der ME 262 sehr langsam nach vorne bewegt werden,da sonst die Triebwerke in Brand geraten wären,also alles in allem sehr empfindliche Düsentriebwerke .

[MrRammsteinKicksAss]

@GTheidi Die Jumos hielten nur 10 Flugstunden. Und von denen wurden kaum welche produziert

[fliiegerfreund]

@MrRammsteinKicksAss

die Jumos 004B mußten nur einen Dauertest von 10 Stunden bestehen,das ist etwas andres als "sie hielten nur 10 Stunden ",die in die Me262 eingebauten Triebwerke mussten anfangs alle 25 Stdn gewechselt werden.Mir ist unverständlich wie man gut 6000 produzierte Triebwerke (Jumo 004B) für kaum welche produziert halten kann,da scheint nicht gut recherchiert worden zu sein ?

[THOMASSU63]

Wunderbar! I built models of these planes as a kid.

[GrandHeiligendamm]

Eccelente!

[koelnerwutzmann]

general steinhoff flog auch so ein ding, hatte sich schwere gesichtsverbrennungen bei der landung zugezogen.