The Head of Kirill's Department for Relations between Church and Society believes that women who wear miniskirts deserve to be raped. Another of his archpriests says that women are less intelligent than men. What do you make of that? All that singing and gold vestments doesn't make up for things like that. This so-called church is a perversion.
you just can't please everyone. Me as a catholic always get attacked by protestants because I believe in the traditions of the church as well as the bible and they believe only in the bible. On the other hand our tradition isn't good enough in the views of Orthodox Christians as they claim to follow the real traditions.
This is not Biblical... test everything and see if it fits the words of the Bible... we are told to do so. Crowned in gold, men who speak with authority over other men? as if they are the only ones able to reach God.
@MrHappiness777 Really? Writings that predate the scripture speak of these things. The bible was bound and brought down through history by Bishops and priests. To assume that you can figure out what the church looked like by reading short letters dealing with Jewish works in certain areas, and the four gospels that were written to combat Gnosticism, you my friend are a fool.
@Castleman711 Bishops and priests? Have you read the Bible? Jesus is the end to priests, because previous to Jesus the idea of a priest is somebody who can reach God, or use the temple but now we can reach him and we dont have a jewish temple... Yes... the letters of how a christian OUGHT to behave tell me enough of what the early church TRULY was. I dont care about how it became manipulated by man... but how Jesus WANTS it to BE. Be careful about calling me a fool so quickly.
@MrHappiness777 So you believe that the church during the times of scripture was like your church? Whatever church that is, I can tell you that you are very wrong. Show me civil laws that were influenced by these so called "churches" you speak of that believed as you do? Mormon, with the small amount of time they have existed have had a effect on our culture, yet you cannot find a culture that came out of scripture that taught what you believe.
@Castleman711 The church is made up of true believers. I'm not really sure what you are saying... because you are assuming I follow some crazy church I follow Jesus and his word. Mormonism is NOT christian by any means. And neither is Catholicism.. when you start making up beliefs and rituals you have put man before God. We should try to live like the christians in Acts, living to help one another, and church can be anything as long as it is Biblical. Your accusation ignores what i said
@MrHappiness777 How do you determine true believers? Well, the bible says that only God can do that. But, what God has given us is ordinary means which are revealed. You have come on here railing against Orthodoxy, and yet you do not seem to be able to distinguish between Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy. If you are protestant, you are in fact a child of Rome, and just a part of their Western scholastic development. Orthodoxy isn't Catholicism.
@Castleman711 Actually you are extremely wrong... Jesus had many many parables about finding true believers... have you ever read the parables about the tree and its fruits? or any of the letters by paul to be careful for christians who say they are but are not.... If we could never know then why even follow it? The Bible teaches you how to follow God, if you aren't doing that then how would you know? I am not orthodox or chatholic or protestant... I follow the BIBLE, I need nothing else
@Castleman711 Actually you are extremely wrong... Jesus had many many parables about finding true believers... have you ever read the parables about the tree and its fruits? or any of the letters by paul to be careful for christians who say they are but are not.... If we could never know then why even follow it? The Bible teaches you how to follow God, if you aren't doing that then how would you know? I am not orthodox or chatholic or protestant... I follow the BIBLE, I need nothing else
@Castleman711 I don't care what you are, if you follow a man covered in gold and adorned as an idol and not Jesus above all, then whats it matter what you call yourself? Also orthodoxy and Catholicism are quite similar considering orthodoxy branched from it, not that I didn't know that this was Orthodoxy but it just doesn't really matter. The point is that the Bible says that their is only ONE priest, that is Jesus, and that we are saved through faith and repentance and not by a CHURCH.
@MrHappiness777 You claim you are not protestant, yet you hold to the protestant doctrine of sola scriptura. The bible doesn't teach sola scriptura, in fact, it teaches that the church is the guide, not the bible. The church is the guide on how to read the bible. The bible is theory-laden fact, that cannot be understood without a starting point, or grid, which you cannot have by just jumping into the scripture, and why you are so confused.
@Castleman711 are you serious? Point me to the verse that says that the church points the way? Don't you know that the body of believers makes the church. Don't you know that the original believers didn't all share one church? SO were they all lost? Were they bound to die because they didn't have a wooden building? Does the Bible ever say that the church saves you? or that we must interpret through it? I see no proof for what you claim.
@MrHappiness777 The original believers didn't share one church? Really? That is not historical at all. Read Irenaeus on the bible, and how it is limited to the succession of those in the Orthodox church. Sure there were others claiming to be the "church" they were called Gnostics, Arians, Nestorians etc, and the Gnostics which were very early, did not have the bible you claim is your authority, that in fact is the bible of Orthodoxy. I grew up protestant, and I know all the weird theories.
@Castleman711 No the original believers didn't have one church, but thats not what I said.. they didn't follow catholicism or orthodoxy because they didn't exist, so we know it is not necessary to follow one of these traditions, otherwise the originals were not saved and Jesus apostles too. I have no weird theories about it all... i just see what the Bible says.
@MrHappiness777 That is a weak argument. Read Ignatius who's letters are from the first century, he talks about Bishops, priests, and salvation being identical to Orthodoxy. The bible again, is theory-laden fact, and cannot be understand without historical explanation. If you really believe Jesus and the writers of the NT taught something other than Orthodoxy, then you also believe Jesus's teachings were not good enough to last 40 years. Show me a church that agrees with you in before 1500
@MrHappiness777 When did Catholicism/Orthodoxy start then? Show me where the church went wrong, and when the teachings of Orthodoxy started, and I will give you the earliest writers of church history that prove you are wrong. Please back that up.
@Castleman711 The Bible spells out how you are wrong... it doesnt matter what church history you have.. read in acts, the people didn't have priests because Jesus is the only priest...Hebrews 2:17; 4:14... do you understand the purpose of the priest in the old testament? This is the priest that was necessary before... but now is NOT.. if you want to have a priest then that is their purpose, to be an intermediate with God. But we already have that.
@Castleman711 are you serious? Point me to the verse that says that the church points the way? Don't you know that the body of believers makes the church. Don't you know that the original believers didn't all share one church? SO were they all lost? Were they bound to die because they didn't have a wooden building? Does the Bible ever say that the church saves you? or that we must interpret through it? I see no proof for what you claim.
@Castleman711 The Bible says to examine and test everything and everyone who preaches a new message outside of it... in other words we should be prepared to examine things through it... In other words you don't trust another source because they said... well we are the "true" church... I cannot tell you how many thousands of people claim they are the "true" church world wide. The Bible says that Jesus is the Melchizedek priest he is the way to God, we no longer need a priest is what it says
@MrHappiness777 Judging by your comments on other videos, it seems that this is how you spend your time, going from video to video, trying to "preach" anger towards theology you do not understand. If you really want to have an intelligent debate with me, I would very much set that up. Go over to my blog Castleman711 at wordpress com. This comment boxes limit the amount I can actually write, and it is not a suitable place for me to get into great detail.
@Castleman711 haha I understand the theology... you don't understand what I'm saying. And I have every right to be angry with what people are saying and showing... did Jesus not get angry at the pharisees? And those who claimed to follow but did not follow?
@Castleman711 I also don't just occupy my time by trolling the internet, I have only made comments on certain areas where people will watch something like this where there are men dressed in gold and crowns and adorned like gods and people still cannot see anything wrong with it.. they sure don't look like the "meek" or the "poor in spirit".. it is as hard as getting a camel through the nose of needle as it is a rich man into heaven... that doesn't mean impossible, but treat ourselves like kings
@MrHappiness777 "where there are men dressed in gold and crowns and adorned like gods and people still cannot see anything wrong with it." Actually, it is in protestantism where the pastors are getting paid a huge amount. The gold you see, and the hats represent Christ, these men do not live like kings, but in fact, take oaths of poverty before entering the priesthood. Please read more about Orthodoxy.
@Castleman711 I don't give a crap about protests vs orthodoxy and whatever... Real pastors aren't paid much... real preachers suffer greatly. Christ never adorned himself, so how does that represent him? maybe they should wear a crown of thorns, because that is what Jesus had while on earth. If you have a priest should you not then make him sacrifice as well? Catholicism became corrupt by being managed by the government...
@MrHappiness777 You will have to show me that historical change. You can't just say it happened. What year was this, how did theology look different then, as it did before. Also, Jesus says there is no other mediator except Him, but, he also says call no other teacher, yet St. Paul calls himself teacher. Obviously, Jesus isn't talking about what you think He is. Also, in the book of Acts, there was the council of Jerusalem, show me how you are able to have a council?
@Castleman711 I can just say it... its historically known as fact... if you study roman history all of the stuff about Constantine and the nations conquest to control the people as normal history, and its common sense to know that the apostles didn't follow anything that came after, only what they were taught directly from Christ. Yes but the difference is, Jesus tells us to teach about him, and he doesn't tell us to become mediators, because thats impossible.
@MrHappiness777 Then I can just say you are wrong. It isn't a known fact either. Historians disagree with you, and I have read in length much of church history. So please, point me to where Constantine changed things. The only way you can make any argument, is to create a conspiracy theory, which is based on no facts. Look up DavidWithun on youtube, he goes over this topic in depth.
@Castleman711 I don't have to make up ANYTHING, just look at the catholic church and read the Bible, the differences pop out, and then you can read up on history, what you are saying is lies, there is ABSOLUTE proof for romans killing christians, you know they killed Jesus?
@MrHappiness777 Yikes! So, you think the people who killed Jesus (Romans under the pagan Caesar) are the same people that "manipulated" Christianity? You do know, that the fall of Rome happened around the 5th century? That for 400 years Christians were killed by the pagan Caesars? That Rome ultimately fell, and Christians were aloud to have peace from martyrdom? Please tell me you don't really believe the RCC is connected to Caesar's Rome..that is just really bad history.
@Castleman711 The different parts of rome, the holy roman empire and the byzantines..... are what Im talking about... roman catholicism YES did manipulate the teachings of the Bible... do some research and you will see that they taught in latin and many of them didnt understand what they said let alone could anybody understand what they were reading. They made upthe idea of purgatory in order to make people pay in order to get their dead family members into heaven...
@MrHappiness777 Yea, and it is called Roman Catholic. This is Orthodoxy, not Roman Catholic. In fact, Orthodox priests were killed by the back lash of Rome's inquisition. Orthodoxy knows about the Inquisition better than any other church in existence.
@Castleman711 Orthodoxy is based off of roman catholic tradition.. and has the same principles of priests and patriarch is much like papacy... so instead of comparing to the roman catholics compare to the Bible... these things arent seen in the Bible or fit the teachings of Jesus.
@MrHappiness777 Orthodoxy is based off of Roman Catholicism? You need to read more about church history. Believe me, I know all the weird protestant arguments, or sola scriptura stances, and they are all conjecture, built upon no facts. If Orthodox and Rome were manipulations, how do you explain the Christians in India, who were not aware of the other churches in the East and Rome for the first 300 years, yet, look identical?
@MrHappiness777 Actually, Orthodoxy is pre-denominational, so, I have no interest in denominations. You claim to not have a denomination, and yet claim to have form, which is a contradiction. Please, I figured that out when I was 5 years old and my parents were dragging me to EV Free churches. I was non-denom, sola interpret scripture myself Christian also. All your beliefs come from somewhere. The fact that you believe the bible alone is your authority shows a denominational presupposition.
@Castleman711 You are making the denominational presupposition... The Bible spells it out. If you consider my choosing to say that some interpretations are not valid as a form of denomination then fine.... but I consider that just what truth is and not denominational-ism.
Again I dont care about denominations, and if your claim is true that you dont care either. Then we can drop the subject, and you can quite bringing it up.
@MrHappiness777 It is impossible to not be a part of a denomination. Non Denominational churches share the same issues as so called "denominations". I have spoken too many people who claim that they are above "denominational" thing, which is very weak, since their church has its own identity. People who claim to be this way, are in fact a denomination themselves. Also, your views came from somewhere, and not just from reading the bible. Be a little more honest about your history.
@Castleman711 It is certainly possible... have you ever read the Bible? The original followers were called all sorts of things many called them Jews of the Nazarene sect., they were called christians mockingly by the people in modern day turkey and so they would just go by followers of the way.
@Castleman711 Orhtodoxy tends to have many of the same problems as catholicism. Trusting more in man made things than God and his word. Salvation doesnt lie in a church.
@MrHappiness777 Protestantism tends to have many of the same problems as Catholicism. Trusting in man made doctrines like sola scriptura, which is a development of Roman Catholic scholasticism. All of the errors that Rome developed, and Orthodoxy rejects in Catholicism, is found in your logic. You just have not studied doctrinal development, or church history enough. Please stop wasting my time. You are not well read enough.
@Castleman711 stop making assumptions... you have no idea how much ive read. Are you honestly claiming its a mistake to follow the Bible? How do you consider yourself christian?
@MrHappiness777 Not by following the bible through my own personal interpretations. If the bible is the symbol of Christianity, the Christianity did not start with Christ, but with the authors of the NT. Secondly, the churches in the NT had no cannon, so what were they reading to figure out theology like you do? The bible is theory-laden facts, which cannot be understood outside of tradition. There is no way you can figure out what the church is to teach just by looking at scripture.
@Castleman711" There is no way you can figure out what the church is to teach just by looking at scripture." To continue on this thought, this is why in American Christianity, there are thousands of denominational disagreements. The early church was not divided like you probably assume. There was only one church. If you want to include the gnostics and Arians and others, then your argument for the bible falls apart, since only the Orthodox church excepted the bible you use.
@Castleman711 Thats not even true... The Bible is just the word, it is only shedding light to truth that doesnt mean that the Bible is our God. Yes you can absolutely analyze what to follow based on scripture. If you are right about denominations then what denomination were the original followers? I just explained it to you, they didnt have one, they were called jews of the nazerene sect. Jesus isnt concerned with denominationalism... Its about faith and repentance and following/loving him
@Castleman711 And what I see just looking at the Bible is that these churches like orthodoxy and catholicism are setting apart man and exalting man... and when you do that the Jesus said that you will be humbled in that last day, but those who have humbled themselves will be exalted. How are they doing this? Because of making people "saints", or a pope, patriarch position. Its one thing to have a king, but its another when that king is of God's people, and we have only one king.
@MrHappiness777 I have a question for you. You say that the bible teaches everything we need to know about the Christian faith correct? Tell me, where in the bible does it say that the NT is the word of God? Where does Paul ever say he is writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Where in the NT does it give the lists of books we are to except and reject as the word of God?
@Castleman711 I will show you... to answer the question about the New Testament, 2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
and to answer the question about Paul... 1 corinthians 2:13
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
@MrHappiness777 "All scriptures" first of all, if this is talking about the NT, then throw out the book of Revelation, because it wasn't written yet, and nowhere is Paul stating that he is including what he writings as those texts. You have to assume as much. In fact, Paul is talking about the OT. The writings of the NT were not even circulated for another 100 years, and for the first 600-700 years, most people couldn't even read them, since everything needed to be hand written.
@Castleman711 No because in revelations it says that if anyone alters it they will be punished... and yes he is stating that what he says is part of that by saying that what he says is spirit filled! Yes not everyone could read... but people could speak and so they taught these things.
@MrHappiness777 Yes, it says not to add nor take away, yet I assume your bible has books taken away, like the Septuagint. But, again, without the early church, there is no way in the world you can tell me who wrote those books, or even if the NT has not be tampered with. Also, historians, and biblical scholars admit that Paul is not saying that we he is writing is from God...at least in the sense you understand it.
@Castleman711 False books taken away... yes... really? what on earth could he be talking about then when he says that his words come from the spirit? that is an answer to your question of if his words are from the spirit or not, and I answered.
@MrHappiness777 So, if we just add the book of Mormon to the bible, it becomes the word of God also? If not, why? Paul says that the "all scripture is God breathed" which begs the question...what is, and isn't to be included in the bible? Nowhere in the bible does it give us a list...how did your church figure this out?
@Castleman711 No obviously you cannot teach the book of mormon as being scripture... The Bible ALSO teaches if anybody comes teaching a new book or a new gospel that doesnt fit with what they have taught then deny it... it teaches to examine all spirits. Its not hard to tell what was scripture and what wasnt. What was from those who were sprit filled and who werent. The writings from the apostles... if something wasnt fitting then they took it out.
@MrHappiness777 What have I said that is non Christian? Obviously you do not understand what I am saying. Your ideas about the bible lead to Mormonism...they are just playing the same game you are. The bible only has life in Orthodoxy, since THE CHURCH bound it, and has an infallible voice..you deny that voice, so I wonder how it is you can even claim the bible to be the word of God?
@Castleman711 You must not know mormonism very well... they are not at all playing the same game. They claim that you should pray to know if its true, and if you get a burning in your bosom it is, but in reality the Bible teaches in jeremiah 17:9 the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it?
@MrHappiness777 Really? Jesus says "Blessed are those who are pure of heart, for they will see God". I thought you knew your bible. And yes, Mormonism plays the same game as you do. In fact, you cannot point me to one place in scripture where it gives an outline of what books we are to accept. In fact, John Calvin writes in his Institutes, that we know what books are to be excepted because they speak to our hearts.
@Castleman711 Im not sure how your quote is relevant. It doesnt need to tell us an outline of what books to accept... you have superimposed a standard that isnt necessary. Jeremiah 17:9 the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it? ----obviously we shouldnt be following our carnal hearts to know something.
@Castleman711 Now you are all over the place... barely worth my time... If you cannot defend any point I make and then still want to claim im an idiot... then you are a waste of my time.
@Castleman711 let me requote... I think you missed what I said about the difference with mormonism. "No obviously you cannot teach the book of mormon as being scripture... The Bible ALSO teaches if anybody comes teaching a new book or a new gospel that doesnt fit with what they have taught then deny it... it teaches to examine all spirits."
@Castleman711 So your claim that the voice of God is the orthodox church? thats quite a claim considering the church is but the body of believers and the Bible teaches that Acts 7:48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands."
@Castleman711 You sound like you follow gnosticism and not christ... gnosticism relies purely on experience and not on the Bible. I quote from you "the bible only has life in orthodoxy".... so were the apostles not following the living word?
@MrHappiness777 Gnosticism? Gnosticism is not that, the word Gnosticism actually means "salvation by knowledge" which is what you are arguing here. "I know what the bible says" "I know the truth of God", So? even the demons profess the Incarnate Christ, and yet they are still demons. James says as much. You superimpose your formulated doctrine on scripture. If the bible is so clear, show me one person who read it your way for the first 1000 years of church history.
@Castleman711 actually gnosticism may mean salvation by knowledge directly but its meaning of what I said doesnt change. It is still the belief in experience over knowledge like the Bible. You blame me for things but have yet to bring up something wrong.
@Castleman711 or how about this verse for the proof of God speaking through Paul... Romans 9:1 " I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— "
Also as far as proof for what I was saying about having "patriarchs" ... in romans 9:2-5 ... he talks about how the jewish people had all of these things and he really cares for them... including "theirs is the patriarchs"... a patriarch in hebrew is just a jew an ancestor of abraham...
@Castleman711 If salvation lies in a church it is no longer of God... what do you think russians are the only real christ followers? to the contrary... if you cannot defend your belief biblically, it is not legitimate.
@Castleman711 Now I can explain through scripture why having somebody as a human intermediate with God is not taught by Jesus because He is the intermediate... and we can pray directly to him, we dont need a priest like ancient israel. I am not talking about not having somebody who preaches or teaches, this is different, having a pastor is good because they help explain scripture and communicate.
@MrHappiness777 I can defend my faith biblically, and I know for a fact in protestantism paradigms, your arguments are the weakest of them all. At Least the Calvinists have good arguments in some form or another. Secondly, I agree, there was no denomination in the early church, only Orthodoxy, which was identified as "Christianity". We are pre-denominational. We only identify as Orthodox, since everyone else claims now to have the truth...We are truly Orthodox.
@MrHappiness777 So, you think a pastor is their to teach? What about church discipline, church membership, the fencing off of the Lord's table? All of these things are demanded of the presbyters in the bible...which leads me to my next question, if you think church is only for teaching...what then is worship? Is it just having your ears tickled, and being told you are correct? No, the bible warns about that. Worship is not of the mind alone.
@Castleman711 I never said church was only for teaching... I was simply claiming that it is not the intermediate to God... Thats not a hard concept... community is good, worship is good.
@MrHappiness777 Lets change the subject. Tell me, in your view, whatever in the world that may be, how does one have a relationship with Jesus Christ?
@Castleman711 Maybe you misinterpret what I am saying.... I'm not saying dont have teachers or pastors or anything like that but I'm differentiating priest and pastor... because if you read in the old testament the purpose of priest is much different. they arent just a teacher but a means of reaching God....
@Castleman711 I have no idea what you are saying about the council... of course christians can have a council without ascribing to some group... because we are bonded by being apart of the "church" or bride of God.
@MrHappiness777 Christians can have councils? Show me a council in Western Christianity that you subscribe to, or show me which church in protestantism that has had a council we must submit too as Christians?
@Castleman711 I have no idea what councils have to with anything? As I told you, I don't subscribe to ANY denomination because there were none in the beginning.
@MrHappiness777 And yet, the scripture you claim to hole to as authoritative, gives examples of councils, just like Orthodoxy have, and for the first 1000 years was the central means of dealing with heresy, which was from the Greek churches in the East, who's priests looked identical to this men in this video, and believed the very same things. Just read their writings, and look at the icons they had in their churches.
@Castleman711 councils? tell me... I'm not saying there is something wrong with having a council.... but its HOW you do it... and it doesnt matter how some churches along time ago did it, if they also did it this way. And the true problem is not even really the ritual so much as the beliefs behind it. Why do we have rituals where men wear crowns? We should have rituals (if we have any), where we stomp on our own crowns for we are nothing without christ, but scum.
@Castleman711 tell me... where do they hint to having councils that have people dressed in gold with crowns? And show me proof that there were priests? Jesus is the intermediate, he is the highpriest.. we need nobody else to reach God.
@MrHappiness777 Where does this video hint at the idea of councils with people wearing gold crowns? These are symbols of liturgical worship, and it is found clearly taught in the OT, and is not done away with in the NT. From the earliest times in church history, liturgy has looked this way, and in OT times it looked this way.
@Castleman711 Taught in the old testament? you are talking about the teachings of how a priest should dress while going to the temple... question... do you then also do every other law of sacrifice and kosher and sabbath that sometimes is an entire year off? It doesnt matter what people have done.... the question is is it biblical? Something Jesus would have taught.... do you honestly think that these adorned men are the poor in spirit? or the humbled and not exalted?
@MrHappiness777 These men are very humbled. For you to make a judgement on these people is so radically anti Christian. It just goes to show that you have never studied what these priests lives are like day in and day out, most of them sit in prayer for hours a day, fast 3-4 days a week, and hear confessions everyday, all the while making the type of money someone at McDonalds makes. Please educate yourself a little better, before you slander peoples beliefs. You do not know of what you speak of
@Castleman711 It is not radically anti christian to make judgments on what christians should and shouldnt do... I wasnt judging these individuals.... I was judging what we should and shouldnt do, and if they are abiding that or not. Read 1 corinthians 5 and talk to me again. Im not slandering... Im talking about what is right in the Bible...
@MrHappiness777 "do you then also do every other law of sacrifice and kosher and sabbath" No, Jewish law is fulfilled in Christ. The fact that St. Paul gives rules for bishops and priests clearly shows that it was not abolished. Jesus is the high priest, be He also says call no other teacher, so if what to be consistent, please stop trying to "teach" others your weird views.
@Castleman711 Im not teaching other news... did he not say to teach about him? he said to teach about him. What is my weird view? Jesus is the high priest and therefore we do not need another intermediate.
@MrHappiness777 "For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers." - Titus 1:7-9
@MrHappiness777 Yes, these prelates believe they have the keys to divine power. But Kirill's background is more mundane - he used to wield worldy power, that of the KGB. He still does as one of the sidekicks of Putin. Just read Kirill's congratulatory letter to the extremely unpleasant Belarusian dictator Lukashenko when he was "relected" in December 2010, by an improbably 80% majority - opposition protestors were clubbed by police, imprisoned, etc.
@129archangel There are many problems.Where does the Bible say that it is necessary to dress up and do rituals? The Bible warns not to worship with your mouths but not with your full heart and soul. This video demonstrates ritualism, and not humbly being the meek that Jesus talks about. People are defensive because they put faith in an institution, and not in the living God, the Bible doesn't say that he exists in churches. The church is to adapt, not to never change, the truth though shouldnt
@129archangel the Bible says to be like christ... why are we dressing up and gathering like that, Jesus never taught to do that... does it make it bad, not necessarily.. but if we are putting faith in a human practice over the words of christ then it has become idol worship.
@MrHappiness777 ".. but if we are putting faith in a human practice over the words of christ" No --what we are seeing here is the teachings of Christ and the Apostles put into human practice. A bishop is being installed. This is like how in Acts we read of how Apostle's successors were chosen. No. It is not in a dark house somewhere...but Christians in this part of the world don't need to hide from authorities who seek to kill them anymore today. This event was impossible there 22 yrs ago.
@129archangel Ok... sure they arent hiding anymore... thats good, but irrelevant to the conversation. What about this has glorified Jesus? People on here have commented "proud to be orthodox"... God doesnt care if you are orthodox... its about your relationship with God, not about your church.
@MrHappiness777 We are all sinners. Christ is humble. A Christian should be humble too. I think God might forgive the sin of proclaiming pride in this case. The Orthodox Christian Church was almost destroyed by atheist communists -- yet it survived and now has come back to life after more than 70 years of persecution, tortures and murders.
"Let God arise. Let His enemies be scattered."
And FYI -- if you understood the words in the service, you would not be asking the questions you have.
@129archangel I'm happy that the church is still alive in russia and eastern europe... but that wasn't my point. No credit goes to the church but to God.
When people of Old LAW were moving to a new Land Israel, the waters of Red Sea split. Today when Christians move to the New Lands of Heaven and people get baptised on Jordan, There is another miracle with Waters, the waters of Jordan river moves backward from the very time Jesus was baptized to today. When people were traveling through desert a column of Light were guiding the, From the time of Jesus to today, people are guided to true Church, eastern orthodox through miracle of HOLY LIGHT.
Как вы можете называть себя православным, когда вы не будете следовать Слову Божьему? Я православный, как я следую Слову Божьему в покое! Ли Павел не учит по отношению к мужчинам носить вуаль (головной убор), а в молитве в 1 Коринфянам 11? Вы действительно языческих! Кстати, использование квасного хлеба для причастия не подходит!
@MrEriugena I do understand your point but many past Kings of France, England, etc and Czars of Russia were semi-dictators but yet many believed in God. Strange but true. I guess no one will know if Putin believes in God or not unless you're God himself.
@MrEriugena he is baptized as an Orthodox and praises his belief in God. To really know if he believes in God and practices Orthodoxy is impossible, I guess only God knows if Putin truly beliefs in God. One thing I can say is that he created a lot of funds in support of opening dozens of new churches throughout the country.
Greetings brothers Orthodox, We are one. We share the same faith. The house of Peter and Paul are now united for our Lord Jesus sake. We love you brothers.
this reminds me of my patron saint, Tikhon of Moscow. he was also patriarch of Moscow. this must have been what his entry to the patriarchate was like. it puts tears in my eyes!
deltaenforcer93 depends who you ask. According to not a few Orthodox the catholic church is the presence of Satan on earth. Actualy the teachings of the Roman church are almost identical to that of the Russian. Both of us worship the triun God and forgive sins with apostolic authority. The rus do it with considerably more style. But we have peter!
Praise the Lord the Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthadox are the only TUE forms of Christianity that exist uninfected by Satans lies to this day! And they will remain untainted until the coming of Jesus Christ, We are in the middle of this Holy Battle, not with the physical but dark and light in the spiritual 4th Dimension.
Im Catholic but I understend some rights of Orthodox Church. We should be and discuss tugether We are some kind of Brothers We beleving in One God Jesus Christ. We should carefully and with respect speak about problems. BTW Great Celebration...
@berka333 How can you call yourselves Orthodox when you do not follow the Word of God? I am Orthodox as I follow the Word of God alone! Does Paul not teach against men wearing a veil (head covering) while in prayer in 1 Corinthians 11? You are truly pagan! BTW, using leavened bread for communion is not appropriate!
haha man, and you don't say Catholic Christians didn't collaborate with Fascism? so what is the difference? Some examples: Portugal, Spain, Italy and Germany. Is this enough for you? :)
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All I got to say is that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true religion of Christianity. Face it, we have more than a billion followers worldwide.
Anyways, this looks very ceremonial. And it looks elegant. Us Roman Catholics though aren't like that. We cut down to the chase.
How could you have respect for a heretic? Saint Basil the Great said not to even call a heretic "brother." Pope Benedict prays with devil worshipers and has commited such acts of apostasy, that time and space do not permit an exhaustive treatment.
Rome is not the one true Church. They fell into schism, apostasy and heresy over a thousand years ago. And appeal to population, is a fallacy. We are approaching the great apostasy of the end times when most people will lose faith. There are more Muslims then Roman Catholics in the world today. Numbers do not equate to truth.
"Cut to the chase"? The biggest crisis in our Catholic Church has been a total break-down (in most places) of the Sacred Liturgy. The Tridentine High Mass can be just as "ceremonial" and "elegant" and we are all the worse for jetsoning it. Say what you will about the Orthodox, they have an amazing liturgy.
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Hattan61 7 months ago
PROUD TO BE ORTHODOX!
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diacony 11 months ago
The Head of Kirill's Department for Relations between Church and Society believes that women who wear miniskirts deserve to be raped. Another of his archpriests says that women are less intelligent than men. What do you make of that? All that singing and gold vestments doesn't make up for things like that. This so-called church is a perversion.
Coemgen1950 1 year ago
you just can't please everyone. Me as a catholic always get attacked by protestants because I believe in the traditions of the church as well as the bible and they believe only in the bible. On the other hand our tradition isn't good enough in the views of Orthodox Christians as they claim to follow the real traditions.
chivitajm 1 year ago
This is not Biblical... test everything and see if it fits the words of the Bible... we are told to do so. Crowned in gold, men who speak with authority over other men? as if they are the only ones able to reach God.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Really? Writings that predate the scripture speak of these things. The bible was bound and brought down through history by Bishops and priests. To assume that you can figure out what the church looked like by reading short letters dealing with Jewish works in certain areas, and the four gospels that were written to combat Gnosticism, you my friend are a fool.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 Bishops and priests? Have you read the Bible? Jesus is the end to priests, because previous to Jesus the idea of a priest is somebody who can reach God, or use the temple but now we can reach him and we dont have a jewish temple... Yes... the letters of how a christian OUGHT to behave tell me enough of what the early church TRULY was. I dont care about how it became manipulated by man... but how Jesus WANTS it to BE. Be careful about calling me a fool so quickly.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 So you believe that the church during the times of scripture was like your church? Whatever church that is, I can tell you that you are very wrong. Show me civil laws that were influenced by these so called "churches" you speak of that believed as you do? Mormon, with the small amount of time they have existed have had a effect on our culture, yet you cannot find a culture that came out of scripture that taught what you believe.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 The church is made up of true believers. I'm not really sure what you are saying... because you are assuming I follow some crazy church I follow Jesus and his word. Mormonism is NOT christian by any means. And neither is Catholicism.. when you start making up beliefs and rituals you have put man before God. We should try to live like the christians in Acts, living to help one another, and church can be anything as long as it is Biblical. Your accusation ignores what i said
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 How do you determine true believers? Well, the bible says that only God can do that. But, what God has given us is ordinary means which are revealed. You have come on here railing against Orthodoxy, and yet you do not seem to be able to distinguish between Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy. If you are protestant, you are in fact a child of Rome, and just a part of their Western scholastic development. Orthodoxy isn't Catholicism.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 Actually you are extremely wrong... Jesus had many many parables about finding true believers... have you ever read the parables about the tree and its fruits? or any of the letters by paul to be careful for christians who say they are but are not.... If we could never know then why even follow it? The Bible teaches you how to follow God, if you aren't doing that then how would you know? I am not orthodox or chatholic or protestant... I follow the BIBLE, I need nothing else
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@Castleman711 Actually you are extremely wrong... Jesus had many many parables about finding true believers... have you ever read the parables about the tree and its fruits? or any of the letters by paul to be careful for christians who say they are but are not.... If we could never know then why even follow it? The Bible teaches you how to follow God, if you aren't doing that then how would you know? I am not orthodox or chatholic or protestant... I follow the BIBLE, I need nothing else
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@Castleman711 I don't care what you are, if you follow a man covered in gold and adorned as an idol and not Jesus above all, then whats it matter what you call yourself? Also orthodoxy and Catholicism are quite similar considering orthodoxy branched from it, not that I didn't know that this was Orthodoxy but it just doesn't really matter. The point is that the Bible says that their is only ONE priest, that is Jesus, and that we are saved through faith and repentance and not by a CHURCH.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 You claim you are not protestant, yet you hold to the protestant doctrine of sola scriptura. The bible doesn't teach sola scriptura, in fact, it teaches that the church is the guide, not the bible. The church is the guide on how to read the bible. The bible is theory-laden fact, that cannot be understood without a starting point, or grid, which you cannot have by just jumping into the scripture, and why you are so confused.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 are you serious? Point me to the verse that says that the church points the way? Don't you know that the body of believers makes the church. Don't you know that the original believers didn't all share one church? SO were they all lost? Were they bound to die because they didn't have a wooden building? Does the Bible ever say that the church saves you? or that we must interpret through it? I see no proof for what you claim.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 The original believers didn't share one church? Really? That is not historical at all. Read Irenaeus on the bible, and how it is limited to the succession of those in the Orthodox church. Sure there were others claiming to be the "church" they were called Gnostics, Arians, Nestorians etc, and the Gnostics which were very early, did not have the bible you claim is your authority, that in fact is the bible of Orthodoxy. I grew up protestant, and I know all the weird theories.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 No the original believers didn't have one church, but thats not what I said.. they didn't follow catholicism or orthodoxy because they didn't exist, so we know it is not necessary to follow one of these traditions, otherwise the originals were not saved and Jesus apostles too. I have no weird theories about it all... i just see what the Bible says.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 That is a weak argument. Read Ignatius who's letters are from the first century, he talks about Bishops, priests, and salvation being identical to Orthodoxy. The bible again, is theory-laden fact, and cannot be understand without historical explanation. If you really believe Jesus and the writers of the NT taught something other than Orthodoxy, then you also believe Jesus's teachings were not good enough to last 40 years. Show me a church that agrees with you in before 1500
Castleman711 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 When did Catholicism/Orthodoxy start then? Show me where the church went wrong, and when the teachings of Orthodoxy started, and I will give you the earliest writers of church history that prove you are wrong. Please back that up.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 The Bible spells out how you are wrong... it doesnt matter what church history you have.. read in acts, the people didn't have priests because Jesus is the only priest...Hebrews 2:17; 4:14... do you understand the purpose of the priest in the old testament? This is the priest that was necessary before... but now is NOT.. if you want to have a priest then that is their purpose, to be an intermediate with God. But we already have that.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
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@Castleman711 are you serious? Point me to the verse that says that the church points the way? Don't you know that the body of believers makes the church. Don't you know that the original believers didn't all share one church? SO were they all lost? Were they bound to die because they didn't have a wooden building? Does the Bible ever say that the church saves you? or that we must interpret through it? I see no proof for what you claim.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@Castleman711 The Bible says to examine and test everything and everyone who preaches a new message outside of it... in other words we should be prepared to examine things through it... In other words you don't trust another source because they said... well we are the "true" church... I cannot tell you how many thousands of people claim they are the "true" church world wide. The Bible says that Jesus is the Melchizedek priest he is the way to God, we no longer need a priest is what it says
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Judging by your comments on other videos, it seems that this is how you spend your time, going from video to video, trying to "preach" anger towards theology you do not understand. If you really want to have an intelligent debate with me, I would very much set that up. Go over to my blog Castleman711 at wordpress com. This comment boxes limit the amount I can actually write, and it is not a suitable place for me to get into great detail.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 haha I understand the theology... you don't understand what I'm saying. And I have every right to be angry with what people are saying and showing... did Jesus not get angry at the pharisees? And those who claimed to follow but did not follow?
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@Castleman711 I also don't just occupy my time by trolling the internet, I have only made comments on certain areas where people will watch something like this where there are men dressed in gold and crowns and adorned like gods and people still cannot see anything wrong with it.. they sure don't look like the "meek" or the "poor in spirit".. it is as hard as getting a camel through the nose of needle as it is a rich man into heaven... that doesn't mean impossible, but treat ourselves like kings
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 "where there are men dressed in gold and crowns and adorned like gods and people still cannot see anything wrong with it." Actually, it is in protestantism where the pastors are getting paid a huge amount. The gold you see, and the hats represent Christ, these men do not live like kings, but in fact, take oaths of poverty before entering the priesthood. Please read more about Orthodoxy.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 I don't give a crap about protests vs orthodoxy and whatever... Real pastors aren't paid much... real preachers suffer greatly. Christ never adorned himself, so how does that represent him? maybe they should wear a crown of thorns, because that is what Jesus had while on earth. If you have a priest should you not then make him sacrifice as well? Catholicism became corrupt by being managed by the government...
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 You will have to show me that historical change. You can't just say it happened. What year was this, how did theology look different then, as it did before. Also, Jesus says there is no other mediator except Him, but, he also says call no other teacher, yet St. Paul calls himself teacher. Obviously, Jesus isn't talking about what you think He is. Also, in the book of Acts, there was the council of Jerusalem, show me how you are able to have a council?
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 I can just say it... its historically known as fact... if you study roman history all of the stuff about Constantine and the nations conquest to control the people as normal history, and its common sense to know that the apostles didn't follow anything that came after, only what they were taught directly from Christ. Yes but the difference is, Jesus tells us to teach about him, and he doesn't tell us to become mediators, because thats impossible.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Then I can just say you are wrong. It isn't a known fact either. Historians disagree with you, and I have read in length much of church history. So please, point me to where Constantine changed things. The only way you can make any argument, is to create a conspiracy theory, which is based on no facts. Look up DavidWithun on youtube, he goes over this topic in depth.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 I don't have to make up ANYTHING, just look at the catholic church and read the Bible, the differences pop out, and then you can read up on history, what you are saying is lies, there is ABSOLUTE proof for romans killing christians, you know they killed Jesus?
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Yikes! So, you think the people who killed Jesus (Romans under the pagan Caesar) are the same people that "manipulated" Christianity? You do know, that the fall of Rome happened around the 5th century? That for 400 years Christians were killed by the pagan Caesars? That Rome ultimately fell, and Christians were aloud to have peace from martyrdom? Please tell me you don't really believe the RCC is connected to Caesar's Rome..that is just really bad history.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 well no I never said that, roman catholcism came from rome, though rome at the time was falling and all... its still parts of rome.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@Castleman711 The different parts of rome, the holy roman empire and the byzantines..... are what Im talking about... roman catholicism YES did manipulate the teachings of the Bible... do some research and you will see that they taught in latin and many of them didnt understand what they said let alone could anybody understand what they were reading. They made upthe idea of purgatory in order to make people pay in order to get their dead family members into heaven...
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@Castleman711 ever heard of the inquisition? thats a twisting of scripture
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Yea, and it is called Roman Catholic. This is Orthodoxy, not Roman Catholic. In fact, Orthodox priests were killed by the back lash of Rome's inquisition. Orthodoxy knows about the Inquisition better than any other church in existence.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 Orthodoxy is based off of roman catholic tradition.. and has the same principles of priests and patriarch is much like papacy... so instead of comparing to the roman catholics compare to the Bible... these things arent seen in the Bible or fit the teachings of Jesus.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Orthodoxy is based off of Roman Catholicism? You need to read more about church history. Believe me, I know all the weird protestant arguments, or sola scriptura stances, and they are all conjecture, built upon no facts. If Orthodox and Rome were manipulations, how do you explain the Christians in India, who were not aware of the other churches in the East and Rome for the first 300 years, yet, look identical?
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 lol im not protestant... unless you consider ALL non orthodox as protestant...
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Let me guess, are you a Baptist who holds to Landmarkism?
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 No... I'm a christian who sees that you care more about denominational-ism and less about what the Bible says.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Actually, Orthodoxy is pre-denominational, so, I have no interest in denominations. You claim to not have a denomination, and yet claim to have form, which is a contradiction. Please, I figured that out when I was 5 years old and my parents were dragging me to EV Free churches. I was non-denom, sola interpret scripture myself Christian also. All your beliefs come from somewhere. The fact that you believe the bible alone is your authority shows a denominational presupposition.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 You are making the denominational presupposition... The Bible spells it out. If you consider my choosing to say that some interpretations are not valid as a form of denomination then fine.... but I consider that just what truth is and not denominational-ism.
Again I dont care about denominations, and if your claim is true that you dont care either. Then we can drop the subject, and you can quite bringing it up.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 It is impossible to not be a part of a denomination. Non Denominational churches share the same issues as so called "denominations". I have spoken too many people who claim that they are above "denominational" thing, which is very weak, since their church has its own identity. People who claim to be this way, are in fact a denomination themselves. Also, your views came from somewhere, and not just from reading the bible. Be a little more honest about your history.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 It is certainly possible... have you ever read the Bible? The original followers were called all sorts of things many called them Jews of the Nazarene sect., they were called christians mockingly by the people in modern day turkey and so they would just go by followers of the way.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Orhtodoxy tends to have many of the same problems as catholicism. Trusting more in man made things than God and his word. Salvation doesnt lie in a church.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Protestantism tends to have many of the same problems as Catholicism. Trusting in man made doctrines like sola scriptura, which is a development of Roman Catholic scholasticism. All of the errors that Rome developed, and Orthodoxy rejects in Catholicism, is found in your logic. You just have not studied doctrinal development, or church history enough. Please stop wasting my time. You are not well read enough.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 stop making assumptions... you have no idea how much ive read. Are you honestly claiming its a mistake to follow the Bible? How do you consider yourself christian?
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Not by following the bible through my own personal interpretations. If the bible is the symbol of Christianity, the Christianity did not start with Christ, but with the authors of the NT. Secondly, the churches in the NT had no cannon, so what were they reading to figure out theology like you do? The bible is theory-laden facts, which cannot be understood outside of tradition. There is no way you can figure out what the church is to teach just by looking at scripture.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711" There is no way you can figure out what the church is to teach just by looking at scripture." To continue on this thought, this is why in American Christianity, there are thousands of denominational disagreements. The early church was not divided like you probably assume. There was only one church. If you want to include the gnostics and Arians and others, then your argument for the bible falls apart, since only the Orthodox church excepted the bible you use.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Thats not even true... The Bible is just the word, it is only shedding light to truth that doesnt mean that the Bible is our God. Yes you can absolutely analyze what to follow based on scripture. If you are right about denominations then what denomination were the original followers? I just explained it to you, they didnt have one, they were called jews of the nazerene sect. Jesus isnt concerned with denominationalism... Its about faith and repentance and following/loving him
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 And what I see just looking at the Bible is that these churches like orthodoxy and catholicism are setting apart man and exalting man... and when you do that the Jesus said that you will be humbled in that last day, but those who have humbled themselves will be exalted. How are they doing this? Because of making people "saints", or a pope, patriarch position. Its one thing to have a king, but its another when that king is of God's people, and we have only one king.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 I have a question for you. You say that the bible teaches everything we need to know about the Christian faith correct? Tell me, where in the bible does it say that the NT is the word of God? Where does Paul ever say he is writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Where in the NT does it give the lists of books we are to except and reject as the word of God?
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 I will show you... to answer the question about the New Testament, 2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
and to answer the question about Paul... 1 corinthians 2:13
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 "All scriptures" first of all, if this is talking about the NT, then throw out the book of Revelation, because it wasn't written yet, and nowhere is Paul stating that he is including what he writings as those texts. You have to assume as much. In fact, Paul is talking about the OT. The writings of the NT were not even circulated for another 100 years, and for the first 600-700 years, most people couldn't even read them, since everything needed to be hand written.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 No because in revelations it says that if anyone alters it they will be punished... and yes he is stating that what he says is part of that by saying that what he says is spirit filled! Yes not everyone could read... but people could speak and so they taught these things.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Yes, it says not to add nor take away, yet I assume your bible has books taken away, like the Septuagint. But, again, without the early church, there is no way in the world you can tell me who wrote those books, or even if the NT has not be tampered with. Also, historians, and biblical scholars admit that Paul is not saying that we he is writing is from God...at least in the sense you understand it.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 False books taken away... yes... really? what on earth could he be talking about then when he says that his words come from the spirit? that is an answer to your question of if his words are from the spirit or not, and I answered.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 How can you say that the Septuagint is not from the spirit? Jesus quotes from these books, as does almost every book in the NT.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 I never said the septuagint isnt from the spirit... Im not sure where you got that..
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 So, if we just add the book of Mormon to the bible, it becomes the word of God also? If not, why? Paul says that the "all scripture is God breathed" which begs the question...what is, and isn't to be included in the bible? Nowhere in the bible does it give us a list...how did your church figure this out?
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 No obviously you cannot teach the book of mormon as being scripture... The Bible ALSO teaches if anybody comes teaching a new book or a new gospel that doesnt fit with what they have taught then deny it... it teaches to examine all spirits. Its not hard to tell what was scripture and what wasnt. What was from those who were sprit filled and who werent. The writings from the apostles... if something wasnt fitting then they took it out.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 I find it interesting that somebody who considers themselves christian would say such non-christian things
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 What have I said that is non Christian? Obviously you do not understand what I am saying. Your ideas about the bible lead to Mormonism...they are just playing the same game you are. The bible only has life in Orthodoxy, since THE CHURCH bound it, and has an infallible voice..you deny that voice, so I wonder how it is you can even claim the bible to be the word of God?
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 You must not know mormonism very well... they are not at all playing the same game. They claim that you should pray to know if its true, and if you get a burning in your bosom it is, but in reality the Bible teaches in jeremiah 17:9 the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it?
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Really? Jesus says "Blessed are those who are pure of heart, for they will see God". I thought you knew your bible. And yes, Mormonism plays the same game as you do. In fact, you cannot point me to one place in scripture where it gives an outline of what books we are to accept. In fact, John Calvin writes in his Institutes, that we know what books are to be excepted because they speak to our hearts.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Im not sure how your quote is relevant. It doesnt need to tell us an outline of what books to accept... you have superimposed a standard that isnt necessary. Jeremiah 17:9 the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it? ----obviously we shouldnt be following our carnal hearts to know something.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Now you are all over the place... barely worth my time... If you cannot defend any point I make and then still want to claim im an idiot... then you are a waste of my time.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
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@Castleman711 let me requote... I think you missed what I said about the difference with mormonism. "No obviously you cannot teach the book of mormon as being scripture... The Bible ALSO teaches if anybody comes teaching a new book or a new gospel that doesnt fit with what they have taught then deny it... it teaches to examine all spirits."
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 So your claim that the voice of God is the orthodox church? thats quite a claim considering the church is but the body of believers and the Bible teaches that Acts 7:48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands."
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 You sound like you follow gnosticism and not christ... gnosticism relies purely on experience and not on the Bible. I quote from you "the bible only has life in orthodoxy".... so were the apostles not following the living word?
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Gnosticism? Gnosticism is not that, the word Gnosticism actually means "salvation by knowledge" which is what you are arguing here. "I know what the bible says" "I know the truth of God", So? even the demons profess the Incarnate Christ, and yet they are still demons. James says as much. You superimpose your formulated doctrine on scripture. If the bible is so clear, show me one person who read it your way for the first 1000 years of church history.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 actually gnosticism may mean salvation by knowledge directly but its meaning of what I said doesnt change. It is still the belief in experience over knowledge like the Bible. You blame me for things but have yet to bring up something wrong.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 or how about this verse for the proof of God speaking through Paul... Romans 9:1 " I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— "
Also as far as proof for what I was saying about having "patriarchs" ... in romans 9:2-5 ... he talks about how the jewish people had all of these things and he really cares for them... including "theirs is the patriarchs"... a patriarch in hebrew is just a jew an ancestor of abraham...
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 just as catholics manipulated the word for saint... a saint is just a follower of christ, justified by God.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 If salvation lies in a church it is no longer of God... what do you think russians are the only real christ followers? to the contrary... if you cannot defend your belief biblically, it is not legitimate.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Now I can explain through scripture why having somebody as a human intermediate with God is not taught by Jesus because He is the intermediate... and we can pray directly to him, we dont need a priest like ancient israel. I am not talking about not having somebody who preaches or teaches, this is different, having a pastor is good because they help explain scripture and communicate.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 I can defend my faith biblically, and I know for a fact in protestantism paradigms, your arguments are the weakest of them all. At Least the Calvinists have good arguments in some form or another. Secondly, I agree, there was no denomination in the early church, only Orthodoxy, which was identified as "Christianity". We are pre-denominational. We only identify as Orthodox, since everyone else claims now to have the truth...We are truly Orthodox.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Paul never included the word orthodoxy... and the Bible does not talk about patriarchy.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 So, you think a pastor is their to teach? What about church discipline, church membership, the fencing off of the Lord's table? All of these things are demanded of the presbyters in the bible...which leads me to my next question, if you think church is only for teaching...what then is worship? Is it just having your ears tickled, and being told you are correct? No, the bible warns about that. Worship is not of the mind alone.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 I never said church was only for teaching... I was simply claiming that it is not the intermediate to God... Thats not a hard concept... community is good, worship is good.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 I'm not saying God isnt present in a church, I am saying that it is not the necessary component for God.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Lets change the subject. Tell me, in your view, whatever in the world that may be, how does one have a relationship with Jesus Christ?
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Maybe you misinterpret what I am saying.... I'm not saying dont have teachers or pastors or anything like that but I'm differentiating priest and pastor... because if you read in the old testament the purpose of priest is much different. they arent just a teacher but a means of reaching God....
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 I have no idea what you are saying about the council... of course christians can have a council without ascribing to some group... because we are bonded by being apart of the "church" or bride of God.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Christians can have councils? Show me a council in Western Christianity that you subscribe to, or show me which church in protestantism that has had a council we must submit too as Christians?
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 I have no idea what councils have to with anything? As I told you, I don't subscribe to ANY denomination because there were none in the beginning.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 And yet, the scripture you claim to hole to as authoritative, gives examples of councils, just like Orthodoxy have, and for the first 1000 years was the central means of dealing with heresy, which was from the Greek churches in the East, who's priests looked identical to this men in this video, and believed the very same things. Just read their writings, and look at the icons they had in their churches.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 councils? tell me... I'm not saying there is something wrong with having a council.... but its HOW you do it... and it doesnt matter how some churches along time ago did it, if they also did it this way. And the true problem is not even really the ritual so much as the beliefs behind it. Why do we have rituals where men wear crowns? We should have rituals (if we have any), where we stomp on our own crowns for we are nothing without christ, but scum.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@Castleman711 tell me... where do they hint to having councils that have people dressed in gold with crowns? And show me proof that there were priests? Jesus is the intermediate, he is the highpriest.. we need nobody else to reach God.
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 Where does this video hint at the idea of councils with people wearing gold crowns? These are symbols of liturgical worship, and it is found clearly taught in the OT, and is not done away with in the NT. From the earliest times in church history, liturgy has looked this way, and in OT times it looked this way.
Castleman711 1 year ago
@Castleman711 Taught in the old testament? you are talking about the teachings of how a priest should dress while going to the temple... question... do you then also do every other law of sacrifice and kosher and sabbath that sometimes is an entire year off? It doesnt matter what people have done.... the question is is it biblical? Something Jesus would have taught.... do you honestly think that these adorned men are the poor in spirit? or the humbled and not exalted?
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 These men are very humbled. For you to make a judgement on these people is so radically anti Christian. It just goes to show that you have never studied what these priests lives are like day in and day out, most of them sit in prayer for hours a day, fast 3-4 days a week, and hear confessions everyday, all the while making the type of money someone at McDonalds makes. Please educate yourself a little better, before you slander peoples beliefs. You do not know of what you speak of
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 It is not radically anti christian to make judgments on what christians should and shouldnt do... I wasnt judging these individuals.... I was judging what we should and shouldnt do, and if they are abiding that or not. Read 1 corinthians 5 and talk to me again. Im not slandering... Im talking about what is right in the Bible...
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 "do you then also do every other law of sacrifice and kosher and sabbath" No, Jewish law is fulfilled in Christ. The fact that St. Paul gives rules for bishops and priests clearly shows that it was not abolished. Jesus is the high priest, be He also says call no other teacher, so if what to be consistent, please stop trying to "teach" others your weird views.
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 Im not teaching other news... did he not say to teach about him? he said to teach about him. What is my weird view? Jesus is the high priest and therefore we do not need another intermediate.
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@Castleman711 explain to me why we need a priest.... when Jesus is the mediator high priest
MrHappiness777 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 "For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers." - Titus 1:7-9
Castleman711 11 months ago
@Castleman711 whats your point that verse doesnt justify what I was talking about... priests patriarchs, setting people apart
MrHappiness777 11 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Yes, these prelates believe they have the keys to divine power. But Kirill's background is more mundane - he used to wield worldy power, that of the KGB. He still does as one of the sidekicks of Putin. Just read Kirill's congratulatory letter to the extremely unpleasant Belarusian dictator Lukashenko when he was "relected" in December 2010, by an improbably 80% majority - opposition protestors were clubbed by police, imprisoned, etc.
Coemgen1950 1 year ago
@MrHappiness777 You are commenting on something you do not understand...
129archangel 9 months ago
@129archangel Prove me wrong, this isn't about Jesus, and being the meek and humble.
MrHappiness777 9 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Maybe this will help you better understand:
youtube/D9nQI6T3Ajw
129archangel 9 months ago
@129archangel And why does this prove anything... it only shows that you misunderstand the point of the gospel
MrHappiness777 9 months ago
@MrHappiness777 Be specific Mr. Happy. What exactly do you mean? Feel free to send me a private message of greater length...
129archangel 9 months ago
@129archangel There are many problems.Where does the Bible say that it is necessary to dress up and do rituals? The Bible warns not to worship with your mouths but not with your full heart and soul. This video demonstrates ritualism, and not humbly being the meek that Jesus talks about. People are defensive because they put faith in an institution, and not in the living God, the Bible doesn't say that he exists in churches. The church is to adapt, not to never change, the truth though shouldnt
MrHappiness777 8 months ago
@129archangel the Bible says to be like christ... why are we dressing up and gathering like that, Jesus never taught to do that... does it make it bad, not necessarily.. but if we are putting faith in a human practice over the words of christ then it has become idol worship.
MrHappiness777 8 months ago
@MrHappiness777 ".. but if we are putting faith in a human practice over the words of christ" No --what we are seeing here is the teachings of Christ and the Apostles put into human practice. A bishop is being installed. This is like how in Acts we read of how Apostle's successors were chosen. No. It is not in a dark house somewhere...but Christians in this part of the world don't need to hide from authorities who seek to kill them anymore today. This event was impossible there 22 yrs ago.
129archangel 8 months ago
@129archangel Ok... sure they arent hiding anymore... thats good, but irrelevant to the conversation. What about this has glorified Jesus? People on here have commented "proud to be orthodox"... God doesnt care if you are orthodox... its about your relationship with God, not about your church.
MrHappiness777 8 months ago
@MrHappiness777 We are all sinners. Christ is humble. A Christian should be humble too. I think God might forgive the sin of proclaiming pride in this case. The Orthodox Christian Church was almost destroyed by atheist communists -- yet it survived and now has come back to life after more than 70 years of persecution, tortures and murders.
"Let God arise. Let His enemies be scattered."
And FYI -- if you understood the words in the service, you would not be asking the questions you have.
129archangel 8 months ago
@129archangel I'm happy that the church is still alive in russia and eastern europe... but that wasn't my point. No credit goes to the church but to God.
MrHappiness777 8 months ago
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@MrHappiness777 ...and protestantism and other things that pass for Christianity in the U.S. are? Sola Scriptura is a vanity of the mind.
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129archangel 9 months ago
Moldova is Romania Abkhazia and Ossetia are Georgia. Whaat is that communist moldavian president doing next to Putin ?
TheMistAnchorite 1 year ago
The head of the church is always ISUS HRISTOS ... God Bless Mother Russia!
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IoanRomania09 1 year ago
Does anyone know Father Dan Byantoro???
jonlandbaker 1 year ago
Как вы можете называть себя православным, когда вы не будете следовать Слову Божьему? Я православный, как я следую Слову Божьему в покое! Ли Павел не учит по отношению к мужчинам носить вуаль (головной убор), а в молитве в 1 Коринфянам 11? Вы действительно языческих! Кстати, использование квасного хлеба для причастия не подходит!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
wow everything is golden O.O
AntaeusDW 1 year ago 2
Lord Jesus is God! Our God is a Holy God!
P.S. A wonderful video!
aalexmary 1 year ago 2
Long life your holiness, and unity among all of our Orthodox faithful.
1Maniatis 1 year ago
one prayer anticomunist for my orthodox brodhers, from europe
persenso 1 year ago
@MrEriugena I do understand your point but many past Kings of France, England, etc and Czars of Russia were semi-dictators but yet many believed in God. Strange but true. I guess no one will know if Putin believes in God or not unless you're God himself.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@MrEriugena he is baptized as an Orthodox and praises his belief in God. To really know if he believes in God and practices Orthodoxy is impossible, I guess only God knows if Putin truly beliefs in God. One thing I can say is that he created a lot of funds in support of opening dozens of new churches throughout the country.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
When will the Czar reclaim his throne, supported by the Church?
optimatus 1 year ago
Greetings brothers Orthodox, We are one. We share the same faith. The house of Peter and Paul are now united for our Lord Jesus sake. We love you brothers.
29michaelpaul 1 year ago 3
gospodi pomilui!
this reminds me of my patron saint, Tikhon of Moscow. he was also patriarch of Moscow. this must have been what his entry to the patriarchate was like. it puts tears in my eyes!
LONG LIVE ORTHODOXY!
tmh726 1 year ago
Bolshevism == Christianity without mask of religion and political correctness is ultimate pinnacle of bolshevism.
Christianity == Bolshevism with religious mask
kozjevime 1 year ago
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cloudyseal 1 year ago
deltaenforcer93 depends who you ask. According to not a few Orthodox the catholic church is the presence of Satan on earth. Actualy the teachings of the Roman church are almost identical to that of the Russian. Both of us worship the triun God and forgive sins with apostolic authority. The rus do it with considerably more style. But we have peter!
karolfranzjosef 1 year ago
@karolfranzjosef so basically it's the same except to othrodox. the catholic religion signifies satan!
deltaenforcer93 1 year ago
@karolfranzjosef True,we were one church until the great spilt.
Westyrulz 1 year ago
i have a question is russian orthodox like roman catholicism? or is it nothing like it?
deltaenforcer93 1 year ago
@deltaenforcer93 PS our favorite pastime is to bash each other.
karolfranzjosef 1 year ago
Аксиос!!!!!
yarin014 1 year ago
May peace be unto Jesus.
SilverTemplar 1 year ago
Praise the Lord the Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthadox are the only TUE forms of Christianity that exist uninfected by Satans lies to this day! And they will remain untainted until the coming of Jesus Christ, We are in the middle of this Holy Battle, not with the physical but dark and light in the spiritual 4th Dimension.
In the name of Jesus.
Amen
dragongolds 1 year ago
I don't like this: the religion of the czars amid murders of the czars.
lomtevas 1 year ago
greetings & congratulations from Turkey..
nordary 2 years ago 6
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Ich Hätte ihn gerne ins gesicht gekackt dieses mongoface
70HAFE 2 years ago
@70HAFE Pas mal auf was du sagst, du homo jude!!!
MrRobokoper 2 years ago
@MrRobokoper you got problems with gay people ?
HokjeBlokje 2 years ago
@HokjeBlokje Why? Are you one?
MrRobokoper 2 years ago
@MrRobokoper im bi sexual and i have a boyfriend, + i am a christian so i ask you what is wrong with gay people :)
HokjeBlokje 2 years ago
Mit seine fresse könnte man arsch gut puzen also ins maul rein kacken und weiter runter arschloch sauber machen
70HAFE 2 years ago
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Another KGB agent! Billionaire 'patriarch'
alexanderwotl 2 years ago
@alexanderwotl liar go to hell jewich satanist bastard!!! From Ukrain
MrRobokoper 2 years ago
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Another KGB agent. Billionaire "Patriarch"!!!
alexanderwotl 2 years ago
A X I O S
nikosdrama4 2 years ago 17
Im Catholic but I understend some rights of Orthodox Church. We should be and discuss tugether We are some kind of Brothers We beleving in One God Jesus Christ. We should carefully and with respect speak about problems. BTW Great Celebration...
Kiezik 2 years ago 11
so we do my friend...
antbee77 2 years ago
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nothing intersting....glory for nothing
Shehut 2 years ago
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stupid idiots, childrens are able to realize that fucking god dont exist...good luck loosers!
kingfker 2 years ago
long live ORTHODOX world religon..+CCCC+..
berka333 2 years ago 26
@berka333 Bolshevism == Christianity without mask of religion and political correctness is ultimate pinnacle of bolshevism.
Christianity == Bolshevism with religious mask
kozjevime 1 year ago
@kozjevime Bolsheviks despise all religion because they despise culture.Christianty is part of true Russian culture.
Westyrulz 1 year ago 2
@berka333 How can you call yourselves Orthodox when you do not follow the Word of God? I am Orthodox as I follow the Word of God alone! Does Paul not teach against men wearing a veil (head covering) while in prayer in 1 Corinthians 11? You are truly pagan! BTW, using leavened bread for communion is not appropriate!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
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No true Orthodox Christian could possibly be under the anathematized Moscow Patriarchate. They were collaborators with Communism.
Apologist117 2 years ago
haha man, and you don't say Catholic Christians didn't collaborate with Fascism? so what is the difference? Some examples: Portugal, Spain, Italy and Germany. Is this enough for you? :)
joaopedroleitao 2 years ago
where was the pope during WWII ?
boggiebenda 2 years ago
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All I got to say is that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true religion of Christianity. Face it, we have more than a billion followers worldwide.
Anyways, this looks very ceremonial. And it looks elegant. Us Roman Catholics though aren't like that. We cut down to the chase.
IlStudioso 2 years ago
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crookedtimber9 2 years ago
How could you have respect for a heretic? Saint Basil the Great said not to even call a heretic "brother." Pope Benedict prays with devil worshipers and has commited such acts of apostasy, that time and space do not permit an exhaustive treatment.
Apologist117 2 years ago
Rome is not the one true Church. They fell into schism, apostasy and heresy over a thousand years ago. And appeal to population, is a fallacy. We are approaching the great apostasy of the end times when most people will lose faith. There are more Muslims then Roman Catholics in the world today. Numbers do not equate to truth.
Apologist117 2 years ago
"Cut to the chase"? The biggest crisis in our Catholic Church has been a total break-down (in most places) of the Sacred Liturgy. The Tridentine High Mass can be just as "ceremonial" and "elegant" and we are all the worse for jetsoning it. Say what you will about the Orthodox, they have an amazing liturgy.
coolerking04 2 years ago 7