OK OK! i watched the first part of this video and your using this crazy christian person to represent all christians. thats why christians get a bad name, cause the only thing the media is interested in is how this priest molested this kid, and these chritians are protesting gay marriage(ex). no one wants to see the good ones. the ones who dont protest, because the bible says not to promote hate, and the ones who live good lives because its what god encourages. those are the real christians.
What you might think of as a real Christian and what someone else, or even those "crazy Christian" people will differ. Your statement is no more than opinion.
@farrahmsn The bible is an offensive message to those that are in sin. The word of God is fearful to the ears of sinners, so telling the truth hurts. The truth is gay marriages are an abomination.
Paul you make some interesting points. Why not call into the show tomorrow? We will be discussing lots of great things. I heard Batman and Rybin are MY super heroes and very courageous........maybe. We can chew the fat, eat the meat and spit out the batbones.
I'm perfect, as my Father in heaven wants me to be. Why are you disobeying the Master? Jesus said, 'Be ye perfect...' I guess He was just kidding for guys like appear to be good on the surface like BBBatman and Rybin.
Everyone that has this hope in him, purifies himself.
"Can a believer work out their salvation with fear and trembling apart from the divine enabling grace of the Holy Spirit?"
I was born again as you were. That is past tense, your question involves the present tense. For a true Christian the Holy Spirit indwells, they are a new creation in Christ. You question supposes the Holy Spirit forces you to live as a Christian. The true gosple is a relationship, with God not a robotic possession.
Now we are getting somewhere! I appriciate your diligence in answering the question directly. My question comes from your statement.
"What shall become of them that obey not the gospel? Work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
Is this for a believer or non-believer to do? Also is this "work out" present tense or past tense?
The inspired Apostle used it in a very "present tense", but how are you who has been born again in the past and made perfect to continue to "work out"
Are you implying that your work is complete and made perfect at regeneration (becoming a new creature)?
"You question supposes the Holy Spirit forces you to live as a Christian. The true gosple is a relationship, with God not a robotic possession."
We are not forced, that is a strawman, I never said that. Please explain what you mean by relationship? Are you enabled by God to obey or are you saying apart from God you can obey?
This is for ANY who WILL to believe. This work is present-continuous. You are made perfect by OBEYING God's will in your life. Do I need to give you those verses Batwing?
Batman, you must be sinning again!
2 Pet 2:20-22 is talking about a person who has been a partaker of the Holy Spirit and returns to thier vomit. So God doesn't MAKE you submit and obey, He just requires it. IF you will meet the conditions of His Way in abiding in His love, which obedience to Him.
Actually not sinning my little waddling built in tuxedo wearing friend. Like you I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus. But if I do sin I know I have an advocate with the Father and He chastens those He loves and He is longsuffering to USward and He is faithful and just to cleanse US of all unrighteousness.
You are making assertions for me again, I didn't say God MAKES us submit, rather (if I were to assert) we are enabled to willingly submit.
Please allow me to rephrase my question... Who is Paul addressing in vs 12 - Beleivers or Un-Beleivers? Who is it that is to work out their salvation? And for further consideration can this be applied to the unregenerate, disobediant God haters?
Hey did I miss that??? 2 Pet 2:20-22! Was that even applicable to the question I was asking? Oh you are so right Penguins really do like RED HERRINGS!
P.S. I really wish I could have seen what you deleted!
So are you perfect or being made perfect -past or present? Off topic but may I ask a personal question. If you sin again in this life do you have to have a do over? Do you no longer be a New Creation having to be made New again? Do you cease from being Christian seeing that you would be cast into Hell if you died in your sin? Being unregenerate and having the Spirit leave you are you able to obey w/out the enabling divine Grace of the Spirit? I guess it is relevant to the discussion
You need to review what 2 Pet 2:20-22 says. Are you denying this truth? Please don't put your reforbat interpretation over these scriptures to say; 'they were never a new creature in the first place.' Self control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, but alas it is self control nonetheless.
Does God make us sin? If He does not do that, can He make us obey?
I agree Batfiend, ahem, I mean Batfriend that IF I sin I have an advocate. That does not mean I should sin on this we have agreement.
Likewise you also make assertations for Christians everywhere when you state that our freewill is somehow mystically 'enabled' to do something it could always do, but never desired to do previously. If you are 'enabled' by God to do this which He commands then you are just a batpuppett. Why is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit, self control?
Evidential? I missed it, you are going to have to show me?
The Bible Thumper actually is providence - It usually goes like this: "I'm a Bible Thumper, I beleive in a Whole Bible not a Bible full of Holes!", however I really dig the "You're gonna die" thing!
As for your final point you are going to have to expound?
Starting at T4:56 you begin to defend the languages of the Bible, translations, etc. We believe the Bible because of the impossibility of the contrary! Why doesn't she believe it? She sins everyday that is why. Why does she say everyone sins everyday? Either she has been taught that by some 'church' or her sinful nature taught her that from birth.
I wouldn't consider that "evidential". I in now way offerd it as proof of God or even used it to support inspiration. So evidence wasn't given... I began with Holy Men of old, moved by The Holy Spirit, etc, etc...
Rather the 2nd arguement was in regards to the text being reliable when translated from one language to another. It only shows that we can trust the text...
Only God can convince a sinner of the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures.
Abiding in Christ is obedience Batbrain. It is not works that any can boast. But, our faith must be an obedient one. Obedient to what? What shall become of them that obey not the gospel? Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. I really did enjoy your last Holy Spirit filled indignation about, 'What more could Jesus do?' Permission to parrot in the OA?
Respectfully Your Arch-Nemisis,
Being Perfect Penguin John.
Everyone that has this hope in Him purifies himself.
Understood Birdbrain - LOL! You mistake me for an Antinomian or some typical inconsistent (however well meaning) Calvinist who doesn't understand his theology.
Can a believer work out their salvation with fear and trembling apart from the divine enabling grace of the Holy Spirit?
The point I'm making is who sustains your salvation, you or God?
Those who do not repent shall PERISH! I don't think we have any disagreement there.
Time 8:10 lady asks you if you are still sinning and you told the truth, glory to God!
Notice she at 8:18 also said, "we are all sinning every day." I wonder where she got that from?
Inconsistent and well meaning? Isn't that a contradition? Our Master says, to DO not try young Jedi(Jesus every day inside)knight. "He that doeth righteousness is righteous, he that doeth not is not righteous. He is of his father the devil.."
You did not answer my previous questions? In regards to 8:10 - She was questioning my girth and accusing me of sin. I simply told her what I beleived in that regards. As for her saying "we all sin everyday" she did not hang out to hear my response and I would have expounded. You take me for an Antinomian who holds to the carnal christian heresy - I do not! No contradiction, I'm sure Jesse might consider you "inconsistent but well meaning", Open Theism is the logical conclusion
ROFL...she did not hang out to hear your response because she obviously is not an Infralapsarian. Which are you friend an inconsistent Infralapsarian or a consistent Supralapsarian. I look forward to calling into 2RB this week, if I don't fall asleep before the appointed time. I will give this to you 3RB, you and RobinRyan are the life of the show. Chief McDan and Claymation are just ornaments.
You are like a moth drawn to a flame... It so amuses me how we have become of such great interest to you. I would beg to differ on your statments in regards to the 2RB hosts Clay just doesn't stomach well heresy and Officer Dan brings a wealth of Theological knowledge to the table....
I wonder if the same could be said about you My inconsistent Pelegian friend?
But I digress shall we keep the discussion on track?
Wrong Big Batman, Perfect Penguins love herrings especially red ones.
The answer to your fallacious question, I did not entertain as it is likened unto an atheist asking, can God make a rock too big He can not pick it up?
I boast in Christ! I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me. The Holy Spirit dwells in me, what is your point? Do you think I seek glory for myself? I glory in Christ, He saves, He commands, I obey. What shall become of them that obey not the gospel?
You still did not answer my question... But alas I guess it would be insanity to really think that you would do so. This is one reason why a formal debate will not be profitable you are all assertion with no diligent attention to solid discussion.
It's a simple question why is it that you can't answer concisely? Please point out my fallicy - better yet "name it"?
Poe?
qarohc 11 months ago
lol is this in Boston, MA??? :o
terceldude 1 year ago
if anyone is going to hell, we all are, otherwise, we'll all be forgiven and go to heaven but we still have to repent, I believe...
terceldude 1 year ago
real Christians love Jesus and forsake sinning
professing Christians keep sinning and are tares
and end up in hell
what are you? a professing sinning Christian?
openairpreacher 2 years ago
OK OK! i watched the first part of this video and your using this crazy christian person to represent all christians. thats why christians get a bad name, cause the only thing the media is interested in is how this priest molested this kid, and these chritians are protesting gay marriage(ex). no one wants to see the good ones. the ones who dont protest, because the bible says not to promote hate, and the ones who live good lives because its what god encourages. those are the real christians.
farrahmsn 3 years ago
What you might think of as a real Christian and what someone else, or even those "crazy Christian" people will differ. Your statement is no more than opinion.
Leftwinga91 3 years ago
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farrahmsn 3 years ago
as is yours, and everybody else who has commented. what do you think comments are for? however, my "opinion" actually has a video above to prove it.
farrahmsn 3 years ago
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farrahmsn 3 years ago
@farrahmsn The bible is an offensive message to those that are in sin. The word of God is fearful to the ears of sinners, so telling the truth hurts. The truth is gay marriages are an abomination.
SamsonFasusi 2 years ago
how long have u been preaching in old sac?
GTdwyl 3 years ago
Paul you make some interesting points. Why not call into the show tomorrow? We will be discussing lots of great things. I heard Batman and Rybin are MY super heroes and very courageous........maybe. We can chew the fat, eat the meat and spit out the batbones.
QUACK, QUACK!
Sincerly,
Mayor Elect Penguin John
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
I don't think that will ever be possible as I don't get home from Church until after 1:30 PST.
Maybe one day we will have to set up a special time slot and syncronize our Batwatches...
You know... "Same Bat Time - Same Bat Channel"
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
I'm perfect, as my Father in heaven wants me to be. Why are you disobeying the Master? Jesus said, 'Be ye perfect...' I guess He was just kidding for guys like appear to be good on the surface like BBBatman and Rybin.
Everyone that has this hope in him, purifies himself.
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
"Can a believer work out their salvation with fear and trembling apart from the divine enabling grace of the Holy Spirit?"
I was born again as you were. That is past tense, your question involves the present tense. For a true Christian the Holy Spirit indwells, they are a new creation in Christ. You question supposes the Holy Spirit forces you to live as a Christian. The true gosple is a relationship, with God not a robotic possession.
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
Now we are getting somewhere! I appriciate your diligence in answering the question directly. My question comes from your statement.
"What shall become of them that obey not the gospel? Work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
Is this for a believer or non-believer to do? Also is this "work out" present tense or past tense?
The inspired Apostle used it in a very "present tense", but how are you who has been born again in the past and made perfect to continue to "work out"
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Cont.
...your salvation with fear and trembling?
Are you implying that your work is complete and made perfect at regeneration (becoming a new creature)?
"You question supposes the Holy Spirit forces you to live as a Christian. The true gosple is a relationship, with God not a robotic possession."
We are not forced, that is a strawman, I never said that. Please explain what you mean by relationship? Are you enabled by God to obey or are you saying apart from God you can obey?
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Cont.
You say that now after being born again you are indwellt by the Spirit. What role does the Spirit play in the life of the believer?
Sorry for so many questions I will pause and allow you to answer and offer a few of your own.
Now I am enjoying a profitable discussion!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
This is for ANY who WILL to believe. This work is present-continuous. You are made perfect by OBEYING God's will in your life. Do I need to give you those verses Batwing?
Batman, you must be sinning again!
2 Pet 2:20-22 is talking about a person who has been a partaker of the Holy Spirit and returns to thier vomit. So God doesn't MAKE you submit and obey, He just requires it. IF you will meet the conditions of His Way in abiding in His love, which obedience to Him.
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
Actually not sinning my little waddling built in tuxedo wearing friend. Like you I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus. But if I do sin I know I have an advocate with the Father and He chastens those He loves and He is longsuffering to USward and He is faithful and just to cleanse US of all unrighteousness.
You are making assertions for me again, I didn't say God MAKES us submit, rather (if I were to assert) we are enabled to willingly submit.
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Cont.
Please allow me to rephrase my question... Who is Paul addressing in vs 12 - Beleivers or Un-Beleivers? Who is it that is to work out their salvation? And for further consideration can this be applied to the unregenerate, disobediant God haters?
Hey did I miss that??? 2 Pet 2:20-22! Was that even applicable to the question I was asking? Oh you are so right Penguins really do like RED HERRINGS!
P.S. I really wish I could have seen what you deleted!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
So are you perfect or being made perfect -past or present? Off topic but may I ask a personal question. If you sin again in this life do you have to have a do over? Do you no longer be a New Creation having to be made New again? Do you cease from being Christian seeing that you would be cast into Hell if you died in your sin? Being unregenerate and having the Spirit leave you are you able to obey w/out the enabling divine Grace of the Spirit? I guess it is relevant to the discussion
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
You need to review what 2 Pet 2:20-22 says. Are you denying this truth? Please don't put your reforbat interpretation over these scriptures to say; 'they were never a new creature in the first place.' Self control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, but alas it is self control nonetheless.
Does God make us sin? If He does not do that, can He make us obey?
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
I agree Batfiend, ahem, I mean Batfriend that IF I sin I have an advocate. That does not mean I should sin on this we have agreement.
Likewise you also make assertations for Christians everywhere when you state that our freewill is somehow mystically 'enabled' to do something it could always do, but never desired to do previously. If you are 'enabled' by God to do this which He commands then you are just a batpuppett. Why is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit, self control?
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
Glory to God brother, keep up the fight for Him.
You're all going to die! Hey that sounds familiar. ;) Kind of like a friendly heretic riddler to me.
BibleThumper, that sounds familiar too!
Time 8:10 lady asks you if you are still sinning and you told the truth, glory to God!
Notice she at 8:18 also said, "we are all sinning every day." I wonder where she got that from?
Forget evidencial apologia brother, Presupp'em!
Way to go, 3RB Reformed BBBatman!
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
"Mayor Penguin John"
Evidential? I missed it, you are going to have to show me?
The Bible Thumper actually is providence - It usually goes like this: "I'm a Bible Thumper, I beleive in a Whole Bible not a Bible full of Holes!", however I really dig the "You're gonna die" thing!
As for your final point you are going to have to expound?
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Starting at T4:56 you begin to defend the languages of the Bible, translations, etc. We believe the Bible because of the impossibility of the contrary! Why doesn't she believe it? She sins everyday that is why. Why does she say everyone sins everyday? Either she has been taught that by some 'church' or her sinful nature taught her that from birth.
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
I wouldn't consider that "evidential". I in now way offerd it as proof of God or even used it to support inspiration. So evidence wasn't given... I began with Holy Men of old, moved by The Holy Spirit, etc, etc...
Rather the 2nd arguement was in regards to the text being reliable when translated from one language to another. It only shows that we can trust the text...
Only God can convince a sinner of the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures.
1 Corinthians 2:14
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Paul,
God bless you for being obedient. Evidently the last poster doesn't know why you do this...
rpavich 3 years ago
In an effort to keep my salvation... ;-)
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Abiding in Christ is obedience Batbrain. It is not works that any can boast. But, our faith must be an obedient one. Obedient to what? What shall become of them that obey not the gospel? Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. I really did enjoy your last Holy Spirit filled indignation about, 'What more could Jesus do?' Permission to parrot in the OA?
Respectfully Your Arch-Nemisis,
Being Perfect Penguin John.
Everyone that has this hope in Him purifies himself.
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
Understood Birdbrain - LOL! You mistake me for an Antinomian or some typical inconsistent (however well meaning) Calvinist who doesn't understand his theology.
Can a believer work out their salvation with fear and trembling apart from the divine enabling grace of the Holy Spirit?
The point I'm making is who sustains your salvation, you or God?
Those who do not repent shall PERISH! I don't think we have any disagreement there.
Without Holiness No Man Will See The Lord!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Repeat anything you like...
You already know I will do the same! LOL!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Batbrain, Is the Penquin a bird?
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
You got me on that one!
Birdbrain! LOL!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Time 8:10 lady asks you if you are still sinning and you told the truth, glory to God!
Notice she at 8:18 also said, "we are all sinning every day." I wonder where she got that from?
Inconsistent and well meaning? Isn't that a contradition? Our Master says, to DO not try young Jedi(Jesus every day inside)knight. "He that doeth righteousness is righteous, he that doeth not is not righteous. He is of his father the devil.."
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
My friend,
You did not answer my previous questions? In regards to 8:10 - She was questioning my girth and accusing me of sin. I simply told her what I beleived in that regards. As for her saying "we all sin everyday" she did not hang out to hear my response and I would have expounded. You take me for an Antinomian who holds to the carnal christian heresy - I do not! No contradiction, I'm sure Jesse might consider you "inconsistent but well meaning", Open Theism is the logical conclusion
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
ROFL...she did not hang out to hear your response because she obviously is not an Infralapsarian. Which are you friend an inconsistent Infralapsarian or a consistent Supralapsarian. I look forward to calling into 2RB this week, if I don't fall asleep before the appointed time. I will give this to you 3RB, you and RobinRyan are the life of the show. Chief McDan and Claymation are just ornaments.
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
For the Record... Leaning hard to Supra...
You are like a moth drawn to a flame... It so amuses me how we have become of such great interest to you. I would beg to differ on your statments in regards to the 2RB hosts Clay just doesn't stomach well heresy and Officer Dan brings a wealth of Theological knowledge to the table....
I wonder if the same could be said about you My inconsistent Pelegian friend?
But I digress shall we keep the discussion on track?
Quack, Quack, Quack!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Again you have not answered my questions but have introduced a Red Herring...
Please save those for The Joker he is so very good at that!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
Wrong Big Batman, Perfect Penguins love herrings especially red ones.
The answer to your fallacious question, I did not entertain as it is likened unto an atheist asking, can God make a rock too big He can not pick it up?
I boast in Christ! I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me. The Holy Spirit dwells in me, what is your point? Do you think I seek glory for myself? I glory in Christ, He saves, He commands, I obey. What shall become of them that obey not the gospel?
johnmcglone4 3 years ago
Imperfect Penguin,
You still did not answer my question... But alas I guess it would be insanity to really think that you would do so. This is one reason why a formal debate will not be profitable you are all assertion with no diligent attention to solid discussion.
It's a simple question why is it that you can't answer concisely? Please point out my fallicy - better yet "name it"?
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
"I obey" that is the point of my question who enables that, you or God? Can a believer obey apart from divine enabling grace of the Holy Spirit?
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago
big audience.
MULESLAX 3 years ago
One of the best street meetings we've had in Old Town!
ReformedEvangelist 3 years ago