Challenge to BibleOrTraditions: Seventh-day Adventist?

[JaiBlueCave2]

Nothing to kill or die for

and no religion too

[JaeShen]

Thanks to Bro Bingolly1 for exposing the truths about Bibleortraditions......I was mislead by Bibleortraditions and now I am a wiser person after all the revelations from God through your hard work for exposing a false prophet ( Bibletraditions @ 7th Day Adventist)

[Bingolly1]

@JaeShen I am glad you had the honesty to find the truth and recognize it. GB

[JaiBlueCave2]

Sorry but there IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE based on historical facts ahowing that Catholic church presents all that have been said about Babylon!

[MrJhb211]

@JaiBlueCave2 Sorry! Your "PLENTY OF EVIDENCE" is a shameful JOKE! EVANGELICALISM IS BABYLON! The "reformation" revived every heresy previously condemned by the Church and replaced it with a "babel" of denominational tongues and theological confusion! When the "earthly Jeusalem" was judged and destroyed by God,it remained for the "reformers"to revive the Law in replacement of the historic Gospel and grace was forfeited! The deadly wound was healed!

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[JaiBlueCave2]

@MrJhb211 You're overlooking the scandalous history of the Roman church: corrupt and immoral popes ruling a church that enormously strayed from the teachings of the Son of God. Come on! this is not precisely religious history! Jesus said, you're are not from this world as I am not from this world either. Impossible to harmonise this with the popes' wordly and terrible deeds.

[MrJhb211]

@JaiBlueCave2 SIR(?) Having majored in history and spending most of my life studying it, I'm quite aware of Papal history.I can tell you the Papacy is probably the most SLANDERED institution of all time! Not having the time (or space!) to pursue this subject at length,mind if I offer you a little challenge?In his epistle to the Church of Rome,the Apostle Paul lovingly issues a warning about those who cause divisions "contrary to the doctrine which they received" (Rom 16:17) cont.

[MrJhb211]

@JaiBlueCave2 Three verses later (Rom 16:20) he was DIVINELY INSPIRED to make them a marvelous promise:"and the God of peace shall crush satan UNDER YOUR FEET,SHORTLY". Could you kindly explain to me how GOD kept His promise to them if THAT SAME CHURCH was to SHORTLY become the "seat of antichrist" as so many maintain AND how God KEPT that promise APART FROM THE HISTORIC PAPACY??? HE KEPT HIS PROMISE!!!! GBU!

[JaiBlueCave2]

@MrJhb211 Wait a minute, we're discussing on different premises: to me the papacy and its history about which you claim to be aware have nothing to do with the primitive church of the first century.

[JaiBlueCave2]

(cont) Prophecies are difficult to interpret, but other very clear and straightforward commandments are not, and these have been blatantly broken by Rome. Your challange is not so clear.

[MrJhb211]

@JaiBlueCave2 Like all the others I've offered the same challenge to ,I get an evasive response! Can you please (once again!) explain to me how God kept that specific promise to the Church of Rome? ALL the scandals and woes of Church history WERE FORETOLD in Scripture.You've got PLENTY OF SCANDAL AND FAILURE in the !st century "primitive church!" GBU!

[JaiBlueCave2]

@MrJhb211 can't elaborate on 190 characters, but you have more!/ prophecy interpretations: tricky & arbitrary business//1st Cent mistakes-"scandals" don't compare with later Rome's mundane politics.

[JaiBlueCave2]

@JaiBlueCave2 not majored in History but learnt about Rome enough to leave a church based on symbols and pious rites and non-biblical traditions. 1stCent Church--deviation/apostasy--Ro­me, that's it!

[JaiBlueCave2]

@MrJhb211 Not being evasive, but you seem to imply that according to that prophecy Catholic church, despite all her terrible deeds, will stand the genuine church (sin-washed?). I don't agree at all! Rome mantains their adulterated doctrine, still lives amongst mundane riches, still have mundane business with kingdom (do u know how she behaved during Hitler rule?). Miles away from the humble Christ, the first church (for all their mistakes). (cont)

[JaiBlueCave2]

@JaiBlueCave2 Millions of catholic will engage in war if goverments call for it, catholics will kill other catholics. Surely the Vatican will have a say, but if catholics were really the church established by Christ they will love their fellows. Not the case of course! Ah, I forgot to say I'm not a SDA although I may agree with some videos of BoT. The genuine church should be just ordinary people trying to follow Jesus teachings and the scriptures, far away from wordly power . Good BYE!

[MrJhb211]

@JaiBlueCave2 NOT BEING EVASIVE??? You STILL haven't answered my question! If i asked the DEVIL HIMSELF,the accuser of the brethren,for a history of the Church,in what way would it differ from the treatment that you've given me here??

[JaiBlueCave2]

@MrJhb211 Christ accused the jewish religious leaders for straying from the Law after their man-made traditions, does it ring a bell??? I'll apply this to BoT's interpretations too (after all, I'm not married to any church): Quite often Bible's prophecies and obscure passages are used to justify institutional behaviour. You took that passage from Zechariah (the accuser...) but I won't answer to vage, private contentions. Why overlook concrete historical facts? All is there for all to see.

[MrJhb211]

@JaiBlueCave2 If you dont have the character to answer the SIMPLE QUESTIONS I've given you (obscure passages? Vague private contentions? SAY WHAT??) The only thing CONCRETE here is the brick wall you've built around your mind! I see 2000 yrs of great triumph and virtue! Notwithstanding the genuine evil that IS THERE,I see a MULTITUDE "of every nation, tribe and tongue" gather around the Table of the Lord JUST AS HE PREDICTED "for My name is great among the Gentiles,says the Lord" (Mal 1:11)

[MrJhb211]

@JaiBlueCave2 "Enough for you?" OK! BYE!

[8307vince]

There are a lot of assumptions thrown around in this video. First of all, Ellen White was born in 1827 - which would make her a mere 13 years old in 1840. Secondly, BibleOrTraditions says the era began around the time of 1830-1840, not 1840 specifically. He says this because of the introduction of atheistic materialism, Darwinism, Deism, and other such beliefs that encompassed man not relying on God for anything, and not having faith. And this is the description of the Laodicean Church.

[Bingolly1]

@8307vince Your private interpretation of the Bible is as bad as the guess work of BibleOrTraditions. Such is the case when unlearned people take upon themselves to interpret the Bible with guess work. Please feel free to comment again when you mature theologically.

[TheManGadoosh]

[They can just believe what they want by what ever spirit guides them. GBU ]

Exactly. Who is the author of confusion?

30,000 denominations, if this isn't confusion then I don't know what is :D

God bless you my friend.

[TheManGadoosh]

If "GOT" believes the gospel of Matthew was authored by the apostle Matthew, then he must show us how he knows this?

He has to trust Catholic Tradition on this point no-one else. Matthew doesn't say it was him who authored it, the Catholic Church says it was Matthew in the 2nd Century. So he trust the Church on this point but on nothing else, :D If it wasn't so sad it would be hysterical.

[Bingolly1]

Some where there has to be a point of authority that speaks out and stops Hersey. It is not found in Protestant church. They can just believe what they want by what ever spirit guides them. GBU

[BeingBob]

I specifically remember this because he changed it shortly after you mentioned it last year.

[Bingolly1]

I have screenshots of his page before he changed it. Plus the link on his page that led to SDA material. GBU

[stuart20017]

Go get'me....fight on!

[Bingolly1]

Round two on the way. GBU

[papsttreu]

God bless! :)

truth prevails

[Bingolly1]

Ever heard the term "tip of the iceberg?" Wait till I show what is underneath that he doesn't tell people. GOT (GuessworkOrTraditions) has declared war against the Catholic Church. He did not read the part about "the gates of Hell." Peace

[papsttreu]

Hmm, I hope to have some more free time :)

I should check some of his silly videos.

[Bingolly1]

That would be great. If you find anything please let me know. The ace detective in on the trail of one lie now. You know who the ace is don't you:) She can't stand lies.

[papsttreu]

Hehe, the lioness hath been unleashed! xD

I will take a look at his vids in time. But for now, I am off to bed xD

Good night and God bless :)

[MyUtmostForHim]

It appears that he should change his name to GuessworkOrTradituions:) I watched a few of his videos and saw no historical evidence for what he teaches.

[Bingolly1]

I will have to remember that name and use it some myself.  GuessworkOrTraditions:-) GBU

[heartofmygod]

GBU and your work:)

[Bingolly1]

Thanks and GBu as well