The True God commanded not to worship the sun god trinity: Deuteronomy 4:19 Deuteronomy 17:3. The children of God never gave offering to the moon; unless they were apostate Jeremiah 15:9 2 Kings 23:5 and then they were punished for doing so. Do not confuse Constantine’s sun god Catholicism with Christianity
You make some interesting points. Remember those regional little stories you spoke about? Look these up. We celebrate Christmas during the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. We celebrate a well-known fertility festival of the goddess Ishtar but we call it Easter. Read "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and you find the little man in the boat: Noah
@chicofrijoles lol man it just said religion is a lie its teached in school and from parents ! we are no religion its only bullshit religion is fake bring me 1 man that can prove trough facts that god,alah,buda or duno what other gods exit and i will go each day to church :P
Why the Easter fertility equinox coincided and became the death of Jesus etc...
5. Just because some of the Gods philosophy is untrue that scholars found doesn't mean that the parallels of astrology and Jesus aren't a little bit to coincidental...
6. Read Thomas Paines, Age Of Reason, written in 1700s (one of those who founded America) and what it says about the bible and its validity.
3. The Nicean Council was in around 300 I believe which made the insertion of the other stories of gods available to be inserted into Christian belief. It was men coming together to get their stories straight about God and not inspiration from God that made the realities of what Christians believe.
4. It is why Easter and Christmas are part of the Christian philosophy because they are equinoxes in paganism. It is why the Christmas tree is a part of Christmas that the Old Testament suggests.
Some things that the Zeitgeist part 1 rebuttal doesn't take into account.....
1. That it doesn't explain why not one historian but only some questionable ones suggest the events of Jesus in the New Testament. That there isn't a historical record of this from anyone living in the area for 300 years..
2. That Constantine combined paganism and Christianity to please everyone so what is the real Christian faith and which parts are lies.
The creators of Zeitgeist aren't purporting that they originated this knowledge independently. It's about creating a concise amalgamation of knowledge from different, credible sources that's easy for the general (and perhaps uninformed) public to understand. If you missed that, you weren't watching the movie with an open mind.
Ya, who cares if its a lie. it teaches u to be a good person.
Are u kidding me? what, we can't teach morals or believe in them without christianity??
I happen to think were perfectly capable of knowing right from wrong, especually without such a vile, contradictory, book of lies and borrowed twisted stories.
either you accept him, or you dont. it doesnt matter how good of a person you are, it doesnt matter how many good deeds you do, if you do not know the son, you do not know the father, and if you do not know the father then holiness is impossible.
its a hard fact to get over, but you have to drop everything about the world. we are not of this world, neither do conform to this world. thats whats so hard for others to understand.
you never asked, so i never attempted, but now that you do, ill summarize some stuff for you (since youtube only allows me a certian letter amount to type).
First off the bible is the most historically accurate book in history, and this is not disputed by most scholars, christian or non christian.
secondly, there are plenty of eyewitness accounts and hundreds and thousands and copies of those accounts to prove the things the bible has said. thirdly it is the most...(continued)
...archeologically proven belief in the world. in fact, many historical attempts to disprove the bibles accuracy in history and archeology has been disproven on the quest to find that inaccuracy! not to mention, if you actually analyze the bible, and if you analyze what has been said in manuscripts, any "scientific evidence" disproving it is not disproving it at all, because christianity and science can coexist. these are all things on top of faith that make it believable.
for instance, the bible talks of an assyrian king, named Sargon. this king and the events surrounding his place in the Bible (the capture of his city Ashdod). Now for a long time scholars speculated this to be completely false, UNTIL they found his palace and in this palace. the EXACT events described in Isaiah 20:1 were painted on the walls and written about. therefore, because of that biblical accuracy, we now know he existed and this event took place.
oh. and please, add in anything based off of your research that you wanna, i would love to look it up and verify accuracy. Just remember, I've almost finished the new testament completely, so if you want to pull up any scripture, please make it ACCURATE
Honestly, Im not particularly interested in the historical accuracy of insignificant happenings or people. But if you could provide any proof of such things as miracles, obsurdly unlikely geological or abrupt climate changes, or any other unexplainable phenomena. Or possibly some proof of Jesus.
So what if a king mentioned in there really existed?
Id be much more convinced of believing their accounts that it is god's so called word if provided some of the mentioned evidences, 4obviousreasons
The type of proof you offered would not be enough to convince me of the stuff that I consider to be ridiculous. But as long as the "ridiculous" is there, and im expected to take it serious, I will continue to doubt.
as far as historical accuracy of jesus, you'd be an idiot to deny it.
he was not only mentioned in historcial documents from the bible, you know. he was also mentioned by non christian historians such as thalles, cornelius tacitus, josephus, and countless others, and every single one of them tried to explain his miracles with other forms of sorcery, but they do not deny his miracles. they actually say mention that they happened, but try to explain differently.
oh, and one unexplainable phenomena I would like to go over is the darkness following jesus' death. it was prophecied that when he died, darkness would take over the land. well in 33 AD he was crucified on passover. historians thallus and phlegon actually attest to this, and mention the midday darkness during that particular passover. they try to explain it as a solar eclipse, but a
solar eclipse cannot actually happen during a full moon due to the alignment of the planets and such (:
It still boils down to "he said, she said" on the phenomena and such. You can't expect me to just believe these things. I logically cannot simply be convinced by these accounts.
In fact, If I were god and wanted to create man and expect them to believe in me while punishing them for doubting. I would have made sure they knew beyond a doubt, I was real. Simply out of love and compassion. Get my point?
more like thousands of historical manuscripts jotted down over history all lining up across the board to tell the same story. And i get your point. but what you dont understand is that he HAS made sure that he is real beyond reasonable doubt. the new testament says itself, that anyone who can see their surroundings in the first place should know, that there is a God. your problem is that you want to logically explain something that is spiritual. its like trying to make 2+2=5
the he said she said argument is irrelevant. im sure that any research and evidence that you find on your own to back up whatever it is you believe was not all discovered by you. it was the hypothesis of someone else, and you reiterate that hypothesis through your own research. therefore, you completely conform to the "he said she said" argument. there is no way out of it; you simply do not want to deal with evidence presented against you but you forget that an open mind = analyzation
as far as your lack for an open mind, its true. you DONT want to deal with the evidence. ive presented it to you, it is 100 percent historical and undisputed FACT if you actually did a little research on the opposing viewpoint (such as I have) then you would know that. but apparently you havent and are close minded to that. i have questioned everything i believe, and found a hypothesis for it thats factual and true. im not logically explaining spirit, im logically explaining the bible
"Youre the 1 that thinks you have the answer to what happens after we die and how we got here."
wow arent you a hypocrite?
you think you are right too dont you? doesnt everyone think they are right?
if thats such a crime, such a HUGE offense, then arent we all close minded?
I dare you to do some intelligent research, rather that produce sarcastic remarks, and to ponder actual philosophy rather than getting defensive. only way to learn something new is to analyze it, such as i have.
If God is so incomprehensible, which scientifically and logically he is, then how could a human mind come up with a God in the first place? If we cant comprehend God, how does one have the ability to create God?
actually, they do tell the same story you are right about that. but when i say historical manuscripts, im talking about HISTORICAL and undisputed manuscripts written by non christians and people who werent even affiliated with the bible...all telling the same story. therefore we know that the history is correct.
as far as the national science foundation, how do you know they are always right? I dont deny they are, but are you just going to listen to everything you are told, as you say i do?
-Lost count of your lies a bit back.. Do you know me that well?
"you DONT want to deal with the evidence. ive presented it to you,"
-Sure I do
"it is 100 percent historical and undisputed FACT if you actually did a little research on the opposing viewpoint (such as I have) then you would know that." -When something is fact, its not much work to research the details. Point me there doophis
"but when i say historical manuscripts, im talking about HISTORICAL and undisputed manuscripts written by non christians and people who werent even affiliated with the bible...all telling the same story. therefore we know that the history is correct."
-Eureka! We finally know for sure! I missed the news bulletin.
"as far as the national science foundation, how do you know they are always right? I dont deny they are, but are you just going to listen to everything you are told, as you say i do?"
-How do I know they are always right? And, you dont deny that they are. ..... How do you?
There is only one truth. the truth will always be the truth whether im right or whether you are right, no one ever knows for sure.. but what i do want to say is this: If you have done so much research into this, if you know so much about it, then i've asked you to present to me the evidence you have. but you havent, and instead you just retort with something sarcastic. i presented evidence, factual things, and other stuff to present my argument well, and as far as you go, I see nothing.
I never said that Ive done SO MUCH research. I never mentioned how much research Ive done, whats the matter with you? You are being ridiculous man and Im not taking you seriously anymore.
Ive simply been questioning your comments. I havent really made any statements that I feel the need to back up. Youre the only one that has brought up (a couple) points youve read about.
Yes, for these reasons I just stated, Ive been srcastic with you. Ill respond to your message now.
and the entire point I wanted to make in the first place.
if you dont know a lot about something, then there is really no right to ridicule it or make unfactual statements like this about the bible : "...book of lies and borrowed twisted stories." when the actual factual basis surrounding that has proven those statements completely wrong.
Im not trying to be a total piece of crap, because I would love to show you nothing but love, but i want people to understand the full picture.
either way, even though we disagree, I think that God loves you, and I as a christian need to show love as well, even though that is something im really working on. for instance, I need to be more humble about things, rather than just spilling out my research in defense, I should respond less pridefully, and for that I apologize. I am constantly attacked on it though, and therefore I naturally am very defensive about what a believe. so forgive me for coming off wrong If thats the case.
"..entire point I wanted to make in the first place. if you dont know a lot about something, then there is really no right to ridicule it or make unfactual statements like this about the bible: "(..book of lies and borrowed twisted stories)."
-Thankfully, as far as the bible lies and contradictions, it honestly didnt take much reasearch at all. Just read a few verses. (And then looked into to things farther and pondered alot..)
"..factual basis surrounding that has proven those statements completely wrong."
-Contradiction? Lies? This video author does a great job of breaking it down and presenting things well. Note the amount of content in question while just (some) of only genesis is covered: watch?v=cQBDGMj2h-c
All I have to say is this. It is said that towards the end of time everyones faith will be tested and that science will be able to rule out God through data research, carbon dating, etc. I am not a churchy person but seems to me that true Christians are happy and they don't harm others. So... shit! If it aint broke don't fix it right? It works for them. Surrounding yourself with positive belief results in positive life!
Christians did not start out that way. It started out as a hateful way of dividing people with very harsh consequences for those who did not adhere. Its taking way too long for it to revise its ways. Shit slavery just ended not long ago and the bible says slavery is just fine.
We can advance in a peaceful unified way much faster. Religion has slowed our advancement in many ways.
i don`t belive in the film`s accuracy.. but i don`t belive in religions eighter! i just .. understand both of them and the reasons of their existence!
it`s just the perfect way for "some" people way in top in the piramid to control the people from the base of the piramid so it doesn`t fall apart.
If you would have a glimps of inteligence and gain some power over a bunch of people... what would you tell them to do?! : don`t kill each other, obey ONLY me, don`t lie, don`t steal, don`t belive in someone else! .. yup.. sounds like a religion to me..
I mean, shit...if I was a God why the fuck would I need to be jealous?
One Christian principle is supposed to be "Do unto others" but Christians(and other religions) have killed and still kill "in the name of God/Allah". That's what you want people to do to you? Kill you in the name of their God? Yeah, ok.
And God is is All-Powerful and All-Loving...but he'll send you to hell for ETERNITY if you make him mad. How do you even GET mad if you're "All-Loving"?
No... there's a difference between christianity and what a Christian actually does Christians are STILL humans like you and me and anyone else still do stupid things... anyone can do something against a christian principal and say I am a christian people do all the time in life everyone says "yeah man I'm christian" yet they are going out to parties and getting smashed every second weekend...
Allah is a complete different religion, though it does mean God
God is all loving but where the hell did anything say he got mean?? You dont make him/her/it mad...but if you do something wrong, ur goin ta hell lol
it makes sense=Not contradictory
of course its fucked up to kill someone, and you'd go to hell for it, but God is ALL-FORGIVING as well...but that doesnt mean that you could kill someone, ask for forgiveness, then do it again
Allah is not a belief, it is a name or title which means The God in Arabic. You mean ISLAM. Non-Muslims who speak their Arabic language call God Allah, it is not exclusive to Islam. Allah is not like YHWH..
When did i ever say sending a person to hell isnt mean?
I said basically, that if your hardened in wrong doing, or basically have no reverence for law/morality, then chances are that you will go to hell, if you believe in it or not...maybe
also, all im saying is, why is everyone trying so hard to debunk religion? What's it to you if you dont beleive in it?
Ok, so I can believe that the people who made Zeitgeist are not only people who Worship Satan but are also full of it. And I can believe that they may be targeting Christianity specifically. But, this doesn't necessarily make anything that the Christian church preaches right, either. I do believe there has to be some kind of creator that started it all but I DON'T think he/she/it is what many of us have been lead to believe. How can a god be "jealous" if there are no others? O.o
well he/she/it will probably get "jealous" cause your worshiping a false god, an idol, and not that he actuall get jealous, but more upset or something...you know what who cares
Im not a Christian and I honestly like the zeigeist: documentary movie ,but I support your facts. Director of Zeigeist trying to prove/support his point that he aware or not, but decided to skip, hide, and over exaggerate the facts.
yes the all mighty church that runs the world... being open in thought means being able to look past religion as an institute and as a spiritual mind set... christianty is a religion just as athesim is a religion...its a belief process as athesim requires faith is also not a proven fact.
k - let's posit that Zeitgeist is a lie from Hell as this video inserts in its finale. At least Zeitgeist is open to being attacked for its falsehoods and the high possibility that it is inaccurate. That is far more than I can say about organized religion. The more answers that we an answer in absolute assuredness the less we as people and as a species grow. At the very least Zeitgeist opens a forum for alternate answers and hopefully encourages people to ask new questions.
But there is something wrong with trying to debunk other religions, why don't people just leave religion alone? if you don't believe in anything, fine! ok! thats you, just leave the organized religions alone, who cares lol
These IS NOTHING WRONG with debunking religion. why would you ay there is? Hey, the church is quite powerful and has agendas that are not just okay to be put upon the others of a population. As in separation of church and state, etc. I (we) happen to take these things very sseriously. the more debunking we do, hopefully, the less powerful the powerful become.
Seperation of church and state, yeah ok were all a freakin government rules society, but morality comes from religion, AND besides the USA constitution has ALOT to do with morality/values from the bible or watever
thats why on the dollar bill its says "in God we Trust", its been there forever, and its gonna stay there, probably
Also i do take these things serioulsy, the church isnt all powerfull anymore, idiot.
In America it is in money we trust. The dollar has all sorts of Masonic symbols and owls and such on it. Added years after.
Most of the founding fathers of the constitution were deists not christian and often spoke negatively of it. Read Thomas Paines Age Of Reason one of the main founding fathers views on the bible..
Religion can be very good but has caused the most death and violence on the planet statistically. Morality comes from your heart not from religion.
Especially in the U.S, more people are starting to become atheist because more and more people like you, who basically believe bias and retarded videos on youtube, and go and try to change peoples minds, why? because they believe its the right thing to do. The church isnt getting stronger, and all im saying is who the fuck cares, i have my beliefs, you have yours, fucking end of story, why do u have to roil everything for everyone else. debunking is for those who wish to have faith in something
yea i kno, but there is something wrong with saying Religion is all bullshit, besides then why do so many people believe in Hell? they use it all the time, they say its the worst place ever, and its part of a religion, so, just asking a question, why does everyone fear stuff about/ believe in hell?, even if they are atheist?
I'd a;so like to note how at the bottom of your video discription you say that Paganism and Christianity are not related, and then go on to mention the christian adoptation of Dec 25th from the Pagans! Which is based on astrology BTW...
Christianity has adopted much from ancient Religions. We have known Civilizations dating back as early as 15,000 years ago. We as a race have experienced thousands of Religions and most of them start with worship of the Sun! The Bible is highly unoriginal. If it wasnt for Matin Luther and the printing press the Church might still have its stranglehold on Science and Rational thought. The Church has suffocated us for far too long.
Guys....Look for this video here in Youtube >> Zeitgeist Refused in 7 minutes
Its enough to show you the truth, believe me.
angusfpp 2 months ago
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The True God commanded not to worship the sun god trinity: Deuteronomy 4:19 Deuteronomy 17:3. The children of God never gave offering to the moon; unless they were apostate Jeremiah 15:9 2 Kings 23:5 and then they were punished for doing so. Do not confuse Constantine’s sun god Catholicism with Christianity
ApostasyRestoration 11 months ago
You make some interesting points. Remember those regional little stories you spoke about? Look these up. We celebrate Christmas during the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. We celebrate a well-known fertility festival of the goddess Ishtar but we call it Easter. Read "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and you find the little man in the boat: Noah
jobfromdayone 1 year ago
OK, mr. know-it-all... then what religion should WE all be since YOU are so smart???
chicofrijoles 1 year ago
@chicofrijoles lol man it just said religion is a lie its teached in school and from parents ! we are no religion its only bullshit religion is fake bring me 1 man that can prove trough facts that god,alah,buda or duno what other gods exit and i will go each day to church :P
antimanelaru 1 year ago
Why the Easter fertility equinox coincided and became the death of Jesus etc...
5. Just because some of the Gods philosophy is untrue that scholars found doesn't mean that the parallels of astrology and Jesus aren't a little bit to coincidental...
6. Read Thomas Paines, Age Of Reason, written in 1700s (one of those who founded America) and what it says about the bible and its validity.
jollyjaws 1 year ago
3. The Nicean Council was in around 300 I believe which made the insertion of the other stories of gods available to be inserted into Christian belief. It was men coming together to get their stories straight about God and not inspiration from God that made the realities of what Christians believe.
4. It is why Easter and Christmas are part of the Christian philosophy because they are equinoxes in paganism. It is why the Christmas tree is a part of Christmas that the Old Testament suggests.
jollyjaws 1 year ago
Some things that the Zeitgeist part 1 rebuttal doesn't take into account.....
1. That it doesn't explain why not one historian but only some questionable ones suggest the events of Jesus in the New Testament. That there isn't a historical record of this from anyone living in the area for 300 years..
2. That Constantine combined paganism and Christianity to please everyone so what is the real Christian faith and which parts are lies.
jollyjaws 1 year ago
The creators of Zeitgeist aren't purporting that they originated this knowledge independently. It's about creating a concise amalgamation of knowledge from different, credible sources that's easy for the general (and perhaps uninformed) public to understand. If you missed that, you weren't watching the movie with an open mind.
tragicmaverick 1 year ago
Just more bullshit and propaganda from the religious minority....you people are fucked!!!!
MrCanadarulez 1 year ago
where is seitgeist wrong part one? which one is it?
guitarchickcrazy137 1 year ago
Jesus=good
Religion=bad
The13thFist 2 years ago
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ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
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ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
Ya, who cares if its a lie. it teaches u to be a good person.
Are u kidding me? what, we can't teach morals or believe in them without christianity??
I happen to think were perfectly capable of knowing right from wrong, especually without such a vile, contradictory, book of lies and borrowed twisted stories.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
thats whats hard for people to accept.
either you accept him, or you dont. it doesnt matter how good of a person you are, it doesnt matter how many good deeds you do, if you do not know the son, you do not know the father, and if you do not know the father then holiness is impossible.
its a hard fact to get over, but you have to drop everything about the world. we are not of this world, neither do conform to this world. thats whats so hard for others to understand.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
Yet u can't give me JUST 1 convincing reason to believe your specific version of how to interpret the writings that your belief was originated from.
Hard to accept???
What makes u SO sure that there REALLY IS anything to accept?
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
Of course I can!
you never asked, so i never attempted, but now that you do, ill summarize some stuff for you (since youtube only allows me a certian letter amount to type).
First off the bible is the most historically accurate book in history, and this is not disputed by most scholars, christian or non christian.
secondly, there are plenty of eyewitness accounts and hundreds and thousands and copies of those accounts to prove the things the bible has said. thirdly it is the most...(continued)
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
...archeologically proven belief in the world. in fact, many historical attempts to disprove the bibles accuracy in history and archeology has been disproven on the quest to find that inaccuracy! not to mention, if you actually analyze the bible, and if you analyze what has been said in manuscripts, any "scientific evidence" disproving it is not disproving it at all, because christianity and science can coexist. these are all things on top of faith that make it believable.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
"First off the bible is the most historically accurate book in history, and this is not disputed by most scholars, christian or non christian."
Ok, im gonna need u to prove this as fact. because through my personal research, ive found the opposite to be the case...
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
okay, ill give you one example.
for instance, the bible talks of an assyrian king, named Sargon. this king and the events surrounding his place in the Bible (the capture of his city Ashdod). Now for a long time scholars speculated this to be completely false, UNTIL they found his palace and in this palace. the EXACT events described in Isaiah 20:1 were painted on the walls and written about. therefore, because of that biblical accuracy, we now know he existed and this event took place.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
oh. and please, add in anything based off of your research that you wanna, i would love to look it up and verify accuracy. Just remember, I've almost finished the new testament completely, so if you want to pull up any scripture, please make it ACCURATE
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
Honestly, Im not particularly interested in the historical accuracy of insignificant happenings or people. But if you could provide any proof of such things as miracles, obsurdly unlikely geological or abrupt climate changes, or any other unexplainable phenomena. Or possibly some proof of Jesus.
So what if a king mentioned in there really existed?
Id be much more convinced of believing their accounts that it is god's so called word if provided some of the mentioned evidences, 4obviousreasons
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
The type of proof you offered would not be enough to convince me of the stuff that I consider to be ridiculous. But as long as the "ridiculous" is there, and im expected to take it serious, I will continue to doubt.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
i was just giving an example.
as far as historical accuracy of jesus, you'd be an idiot to deny it.
he was not only mentioned in historcial documents from the bible, you know. he was also mentioned by non christian historians such as thalles, cornelius tacitus, josephus, and countless others, and every single one of them tried to explain his miracles with other forms of sorcery, but they do not deny his miracles. they actually say mention that they happened, but try to explain differently.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
oh, and one unexplainable phenomena I would like to go over is the darkness following jesus' death. it was prophecied that when he died, darkness would take over the land. well in 33 AD he was crucified on passover. historians thallus and phlegon actually attest to this, and mention the midday darkness during that particular passover. they try to explain it as a solar eclipse, but a
solar eclipse cannot actually happen during a full moon due to the alignment of the planets and such (:
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
It still boils down to "he said, she said" on the phenomena and such. You can't expect me to just believe these things. I logically cannot simply be convinced by these accounts.
In fact, If I were god and wanted to create man and expect them to believe in me while punishing them for doubting. I would have made sure they knew beyond a doubt, I was real. Simply out of love and compassion. Get my point?
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
he said she said?
more like thousands of historical manuscripts jotted down over history all lining up across the board to tell the same story. And i get your point. but what you dont understand is that he HAS made sure that he is real beyond reasonable doubt. the new testament says itself, that anyone who can see their surroundings in the first place should know, that there is a God. your problem is that you want to logically explain something that is spiritual. its like trying to make 2+2=5
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
the he said she said argument is irrelevant. im sure that any research and evidence that you find on your own to back up whatever it is you believe was not all discovered by you. it was the hypothesis of someone else, and you reiterate that hypothesis through your own research. therefore, you completely conform to the "he said she said" argument. there is no way out of it; you simply do not want to deal with evidence presented against you but you forget that an open mind = analyzation
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
"He said she said?
More like thousands of historical manuscripts jotted down over history all lining up across the board to tell the same story."
-Yes, He said, she said.
-Its no wonder that they "line up across the board" becuz they R the same story.
"And i get your point. but what you dont understand is that he HAS made sure that he is real beyond reasonable doubt."
-Do u?
-I still happen to think he hasnt. Everyone thinks he hasnt. Admitted everytime they say they have "faith".
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"The new testament says itself, that anyone who can see their surroundings in the first place should know, that there is a God."
-Well 4 of 6 billion say thats delusional.
"Your problem is that you want to logically explain something that is spiritual. its like trying to make 2+2=5"
-No, U (want to logically explain something that is spiritual).
-I want to logically explain things that r real.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"He said she said argument is irrelevant."
-No. Its not.
"Im sure that any" info "was the hypothesis of someone else, & you reiterate that hypothesis through your own research.
therefore, you completely conform to the "he said she said" argument."
-Yes, I trust things like the National Science Foundation and such.. Yes to a degree, I do conform.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"There is no way out of it."
-I trust my judgement for the most part.
"You simply dont want to deal with evidence presented against you but you forget that an open mind = analyzation"
-Yes I do u fucktard
-Youre the 1 that thinks you have the answer to what happens after we die and how we got here.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
as far as your lack for an open mind, its true. you DONT want to deal with the evidence. ive presented it to you, it is 100 percent historical and undisputed FACT if you actually did a little research on the opposing viewpoint (such as I have) then you would know that. but apparently you havent and are close minded to that. i have questioned everything i believe, and found a hypothesis for it thats factual and true. im not logically explaining spirit, im logically explaining the bible
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
"Youre the 1 that thinks you have the answer to what happens after we die and how we got here."
wow arent you a hypocrite?
you think you are right too dont you? doesnt everyone think they are right?
if thats such a crime, such a HUGE offense, then arent we all close minded?
I dare you to do some intelligent research, rather that produce sarcastic remarks, and to ponder actual philosophy rather than getting defensive. only way to learn something new is to analyze it, such as i have.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
If God is so incomprehensible, which scientifically and logically he is, then how could a human mind come up with a God in the first place? If we cant comprehend God, how does one have the ability to create God?
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
actually, they do tell the same story you are right about that. but when i say historical manuscripts, im talking about HISTORICAL and undisputed manuscripts written by non christians and people who werent even affiliated with the bible...all telling the same story. therefore we know that the history is correct.
as far as the national science foundation, how do you know they are always right? I dont deny they are, but are you just going to listen to everything you are told, as you say i do?
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
"as far as your lack for an open mind, its true."
-Lost count of your lies a bit back.. Do you know me that well?
"you DONT want to deal with the evidence. ive presented it to you,"
-Sure I do
"it is 100 percent historical and undisputed FACT if you actually did a little research on the opposing viewpoint (such as I have) then you would know that." -When something is fact, its not much work to research the details. Point me there doophis
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"but apparently you havent and are close minded to that."
-What? I dont refuse to do research for the "opposing view". wtf
"i have questioned everything i believe, and found a hypothesis for it thats factual and true."
-Well I have too but I dont claim it to necessarily be the absolute truth
"(Youre the 1 that thinks you have the answer to what happens after we die and how we got here)
wow arent you a hypocrite?"
-I do not think I have those answers
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"you think you are right too dont you?"
-Im not really claiming to be absolutely certain about somethings
"doesnt everyone think they are right?"
-No.
"if thats such a crime, such a HUGE offense, then arent we all close minded?"
-What?!
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"I dare you to do some intelligent research, rather that produce sarcastic remarks, and to ponder actual philosophy rather than getting defensive.
-I do. Im only defensive becuz u keep telling me what im like and assuming what i think and asking stupid shit like "arent we all close minded?"
"only way to learn something new is to analyze it"
-I agree
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"If God is so incomprehensible, which scientifically and logically he is, then how could a human mind come up with a God in the first place?"
-Are you serious? You think that humans could not possibly have thought up the idea of god?
"If we cant comprehend God, how does one have the ability to create God?"
-They didnt physically have create anything. Authors of the bible sure did think they could.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"but when i say historical manuscripts, im talking about HISTORICAL and undisputed manuscripts written by non christians and people who werent even affiliated with the bible...all telling the same story. therefore we know that the history is correct."
-Eureka! We finally know for sure! I missed the news bulletin.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"as far as the national science foundation, how do you know they are always right? I dont deny they are, but are you just going to listen to everything you are told, as you say i do?"
-How do I know they are always right? And, you dont deny that they are. ..... How do you?
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
Well
There is only one truth. the truth will always be the truth whether im right or whether you are right, no one ever knows for sure.. but what i do want to say is this: If you have done so much research into this, if you know so much about it, then i've asked you to present to me the evidence you have. but you havent, and instead you just retort with something sarcastic. i presented evidence, factual things, and other stuff to present my argument well, and as far as you go, I see nothing.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
I never said that Ive done SO MUCH research. I never mentioned how much research Ive done, whats the matter with you? You are being ridiculous man and Im not taking you seriously anymore.
Ive simply been questioning your comments. I havent really made any statements that I feel the need to back up. Youre the only one that has brought up (a couple) points youve read about.
Yes, for these reasons I just stated, Ive been srcastic with you. Ill respond to your message now.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
Thats the point
and the entire point I wanted to make in the first place.
if you dont know a lot about something, then there is really no right to ridicule it or make unfactual statements like this about the bible : "...book of lies and borrowed twisted stories." when the actual factual basis surrounding that has proven those statements completely wrong.
Im not trying to be a total piece of crap, because I would love to show you nothing but love, but i want people to understand the full picture.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
either way, even though we disagree, I think that God loves you, and I as a christian need to show love as well, even though that is something im really working on. for instance, I need to be more humble about things, rather than just spilling out my research in defense, I should respond less pridefully, and for that I apologize. I am constantly attacked on it though, and therefore I naturally am very defensive about what a believe. so forgive me for coming off wrong If thats the case.
ninjasoccermom 2 years ago
"..entire point I wanted to make in the first place. if you dont know a lot about something, then there is really no right to ridicule it or make unfactual statements like this about the bible: "(..book of lies and borrowed twisted stories)."
-Thankfully, as far as the bible lies and contradictions, it honestly didnt take much reasearch at all. Just read a few verses. (And then looked into to things farther and pondered alot..)
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
"..factual basis surrounding that has proven those statements completely wrong."
-Contradiction? Lies? This video author does a great job of breaking it down and presenting things well. Note the amount of content in question while just (some) of only genesis is covered: watch?v=cQBDGMj2h-c
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
All I have to say is this. It is said that towards the end of time everyones faith will be tested and that science will be able to rule out God through data research, carbon dating, etc. I am not a churchy person but seems to me that true Christians are happy and they don't harm others. So... shit! If it aint broke don't fix it right? It works for them. Surrounding yourself with positive belief results in positive life!
a559mastamind 2 years ago
lmao open ur fuckin eyes christians have been around forever
piefaceheadman 2 years ago
?? My eyes are fuckin open. I don't think you replied to the right comment.
a559mastamind 2 years ago
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ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
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(@a559mastamind)
Christians did not start out that way. It started out as a hateful way of dividing people with very harsh consequences for those who did not adhere. Its taking way too long for it to revise its ways. Shit slavery just ended not long ago and the bible says slavery is just fine.
We can advance in a peaceful unified way much faster. Religion has slowed our advancement in many ways.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
this is the most childish rebuttal that I've ever seen in my life.
jcffrey 2 years ago
i don`t belive in the film`s accuracy.. but i don`t belive in religions eighter! i just .. understand both of them and the reasons of their existence!
HEILEEN 2 years ago
in fact Christianity = Bullshit! [big time!]
it`s just the perfect way for "some" people way in top in the piramid to control the people from the base of the piramid so it doesn`t fall apart.
If you would have a glimps of inteligence and gain some power over a bunch of people... what would you tell them to do?! : don`t kill each other, obey ONLY me, don`t lie, don`t steal, don`t belive in someone else! .. yup.. sounds like a religion to me..
HEILEEN 2 years ago
I mean, shit...if I was a God why the fuck would I need to be jealous?
One Christian principle is supposed to be "Do unto others" but Christians(and other religions) have killed and still kill "in the name of God/Allah". That's what you want people to do to you? Kill you in the name of their God? Yeah, ok.
And God is is All-Powerful and All-Loving...but he'll send you to hell for ETERNITY if you make him mad. How do you even GET mad if you're "All-Loving"?
Christianity = CONTRADICTORY
GenesisOfGenepsyde 3 years ago
No... there's a difference between christianity and what a Christian actually does Christians are STILL humans like you and me and anyone else still do stupid things... anyone can do something against a christian principal and say I am a christian people do all the time in life everyone says "yeah man I'm christian" yet they are going out to parties and getting smashed every second weekend...
dibbin10 2 years ago
ALLAH is not CHRISTIANITY
Allah is a complete different religion, though it does mean God
God is all loving but where the hell did anything say he got mean?? You dont make him/her/it mad...but if you do something wrong, ur goin ta hell lol
it makes sense=Not contradictory
of course its fucked up to kill someone, and you'd go to hell for it, but God is ALL-FORGIVING as well...but that doesnt mean that you could kill someone, ask for forgiveness, then do it again
don't be so ignorant
Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
Allah is not a belief, it is a name or title which means The God in Arabic. You mean ISLAM. Non-Muslims who speak their Arabic language call God Allah, it is not exclusive to Islam. Allah is not like YHWH..
KhanAibertk 2 years ago
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ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
@SKATE4KONGO
You would say sending a person to hell isnt mean???!!!!!!
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
When did i ever say sending a person to hell isnt mean?
I said basically, that if your hardened in wrong doing, or basically have no reverence for law/morality, then chances are that you will go to hell, if you believe in it or not...maybe
also, all im saying is, why is everyone trying so hard to debunk religion? What's it to you if you dont beleive in it?
Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
Ok, so I can believe that the people who made Zeitgeist are not only people who Worship Satan but are also full of it. And I can believe that they may be targeting Christianity specifically. But, this doesn't necessarily make anything that the Christian church preaches right, either. I do believe there has to be some kind of creator that started it all but I DON'T think he/she/it is what many of us have been lead to believe. How can a god be "jealous" if there are no others? O.o
GenesisOfGenepsyde 3 years ago
well he/she/it will probably get "jealous" cause your worshiping a false god, an idol, and not that he actuall get jealous, but more upset or something...you know what who cares
i dont even know lol
Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
keep up the good work brother
JayJaredSmithMusic 3 years ago
Im not a Christian and I honestly like the zeigeist: documentary movie ,but I support your facts. Director of Zeigeist trying to prove/support his point that he aware or not, but decided to skip, hide, and over exaggerate the facts.
cspark809 3 years ago
yes the all mighty church that runs the world... being open in thought means being able to look past religion as an institute and as a spiritual mind set... christianty is a religion just as athesim is a religion...its a belief process as athesim requires faith is also not a proven fact.
ronniep68 3 years ago
k - let's posit that Zeitgeist is a lie from Hell as this video inserts in its finale. At least Zeitgeist is open to being attacked for its falsehoods and the high possibility that it is inaccurate. That is far more than I can say about organized religion. The more answers that we an answer in absolute assuredness the less we as people and as a species grow. At the very least Zeitgeist opens a forum for alternate answers and hopefully encourages people to ask new questions.
jezzajaye88 3 years ago
Ther is nothing wrong with asking questions.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
But there is something wrong with trying to debunk other religions, why don't people just leave religion alone? if you don't believe in anything, fine! ok! thats you, just leave the organized religions alone, who cares lol
Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
These IS NOTHING WRONG with debunking religion. why would you ay there is? Hey, the church is quite powerful and has agendas that are not just okay to be put upon the others of a population. As in separation of church and state, etc. I (we) happen to take these things very sseriously. the more debunking we do, hopefully, the less powerful the powerful become.
ObscurelyUnkown 2 years ago
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Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
To ObscurleyUnknown
Dude..do u have a problem with religion?
Seperation of church and state, yeah ok were all a freakin government rules society, but morality comes from religion, AND besides the USA constitution has ALOT to do with morality/values from the bible or watever
thats why on the dollar bill its says "in God we Trust", its been there forever, and its gonna stay there, probably
Also i do take these things serioulsy, the church isnt all powerfull anymore, idiot.
Its people like you who
Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
@Skate4Kongo
In America it is in money we trust. The dollar has all sorts of Masonic symbols and owls and such on it. Added years after.
Most of the founding fathers of the constitution were deists not christian and often spoke negatively of it. Read Thomas Paines Age Of Reason one of the main founding fathers views on the bible..
Religion can be very good but has caused the most death and violence on the planet statistically. Morality comes from your heart not from religion.
jollyjaws 1 year ago
Especially in the U.S, more people are starting to become atheist because more and more people like you, who basically believe bias and retarded videos on youtube, and go and try to change peoples minds, why? because they believe its the right thing to do. The church isnt getting stronger, and all im saying is who the fuck cares, i have my beliefs, you have yours, fucking end of story, why do u have to roil everything for everyone else. debunking is for those who wish to have faith in something
Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
yea i kno, but there is something wrong with saying Religion is all bullshit, besides then why do so many people believe in Hell? they use it all the time, they say its the worst place ever, and its part of a religion, so, just asking a question, why does everyone fear stuff about/ believe in hell?, even if they are atheist?
Skate4Kongo 2 years ago
LOL. This IS funny.
I'd a;so like to note how at the bottom of your video discription you say that Paganism and Christianity are not related, and then go on to mention the christian adoptation of Dec 25th from the Pagans! Which is based on astrology BTW...
Good Times!
siriundreamer 3 years ago 2
LOL this video is funny you can read THE WITNESS TO THE STARS by E.W. BULLINGER who can back up the BIBLE is a based star worship.
POWERequalsGOD 3 years ago
Christianity has adopted much from ancient Religions. We have known Civilizations dating back as early as 15,000 years ago. We as a race have experienced thousands of Religions and most of them start with worship of the Sun! The Bible is highly unoriginal. If it wasnt for Matin Luther and the printing press the Church might still have its stranglehold on Science and Rational thought. The Church has suffocated us for far too long.
AlizarinRipley 3 years ago 3
lie from hell? very scientific statement to end with.
floydspiritz 3 years ago 3
It does not take away the facts!
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
Take it as metaphorical.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago