OAKLEY has no rings and Knicks had no chance with Oak giving MJ red carpet treatment to the basket. He even blocked out his Knick teammates so they can't get to MJ. A few times, Oak gave MJ sanitized semi-hard fouls so it wouldn't look too obvious. BTW, a Mall Cop beat the crap out of Oak or was it a bell hop? OAK is a loser. I'll take Shawn Bradley anytime - LoL
This is hilarious now...especially since LJ became a Knick several years later, and even today remains one of the more crowd favorite Knick players of the past 20 years or so. Oak, Ewing, Starks, LJ...any of these guys get shown on the Jumbotron screen sitting in the crowd at a Knicks game today, the building explodes
With all that so called "toughness" the Knicks really never won anything in the 90's........best chance was against the Rockets and they choked that away!
@mrmojorisin2 Reason they never won a title was due mostly to the fact that Ewing never had a Hall of Fame player on the Knicks to help him carry the load. Look at every championship team over the decades, each of them had at least two Hall of Famers on their roster. Lakers (Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Kobe)... Celtics (Bird, McHale, Parish, Pierce, Allen, Garnett)... Pistons (Thomas, Dumars, Rodman)... Bulls (Jordan, Pippen)... Spurs (Robinson, Duncan, Parker)... Mavs (Dirk, Kidd) etc, etc...
@TheAmazingJelly If you consider truth and fact as lame excuses... then yes, it's a lame excuse! And if that is what you truly believe, then I think you are a nimrod, who knows nothing about the game of basketball!
I'm just wondering how the hell LJ and Zo manage to get along in Charlotte. I remember watching UNLV vs Georgetown play in the NCCA tournament, Larry Johnson was talking alot of shit to Zo during that game as well.
@Dogfacesoulja8582 alonzo and johnson didnt get along thats why he left to go to miami...look up alonzo mouring on wikipedia go in the miami heat section and read the first sentence...on the court they played well together but of the court it wasnt good
yea man; the all white jerseys, the intros, the lighting at the Garden, even the corny ass beats they play while the game is on: they should go back to the piano like in this clip here; theres just not the same atmosphere there was in the 90's and we need to go back to that to have some kind of home court advantage
@REPQNZ forreal,thats when cats was scared to come to the Garden cause they knew Oak n Mason would lay they ass on they back.Now u got stiffs n pussies like Jeffries givin up and1s..smfh!
The NBA isn´t in crisis because of the bad players contracts, they are in crisis because they don´t let the players to be real men and play the game as it should be played, a game for men not for names...
Haha miminicking LJ's screaming... 12 year olds better know Magic... Real talk I was 12 10yrs ago and I knew who Happy Hairison, Kermit Washington, Gail Goodrich, the Hawk and Keith Wilkes was... But that was when ESPN classic had good shit lol
Those two teams you see there are two of the most ferocious defensive teams of that era. Oakley would have easily gotten a technical foul in today's pussy NBA. Today's so called Super Stars would shit their pants playing against the defensive teams of the 90s like the Knicks, Hornets, Heat, Pistons and others. Yes, i am talking to you Kobe.
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe WFT u Talkin bout? you uneducated waste of air. Of course he played in the 90s, i remember how small he came up in the playoffs including those air balls he shot against the Jazz. 90s Defense.
@kanguesso 5 rings - more than the whole Jazz history. OWNED. The most clutch player in the game now. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. Stop hating
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe He was really Clutch this playoff season especially against a 38 year Jason Kidd defending him, right. Plus, Dirk Punk'd him and the Lakers. The most clutch player in the game now? you're fucking kidding me. You must have missed the whole playoffs. Kobe, or should i say SLOWBE is the most OVERRATED guard in the league. Can you imagine Jordan being Punk'd in the playoffs by a European player?
@kanguesso The man has 3 injuries. THREE. He is not even supposed to play, but those injuries would take too long to heal during the season. Tell me whom DIN'T Dirk punk? The man was outstanding, but there is a reason why Kobe has been in SEVEN OUT of TEN FINALS THIS PAST DECADE. And that is because he's a great player who knows how to get it done. Last question is tricky, since there was no dominating European players i can think off in Jordan era, like Nash and Dirk, 3 MVP's amongst them
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Hahahahahahaha excuses, excuses, excuses. Like professional athletes always say, if you're going to take the court, YOU'RE 100% HEALTHY. Secondly, you're right, there is a reason why Kobe has been to 7 NBA finals in the past decade, one of which is the fact that he was taken to his first 3 finals appearance by a big man named Shaq. And there is also a reason why HE LOST 2 of those 7 appearances while some guy named MJ is 6-0 in the finals. How's that for a stat?
@kanguesso Dude, come on now, you think MJ din't want to be a champion more times than 6? What it means is that he has been champion of the DOMINATING WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS 7 times. And he wasn't Sasha Vujacic on those Shaq teams, come on now too. He was Scottie to MJ. And we all say how Scottie played without MJ that one season with half-assed roster. He carried the team and he had a great run. Same with Kobe, he was given the opportunity to be more and he ran with it. MJ was too selfish
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Yes, Scottie did fairly well when MJ retired, but the point is, the Bulls didn't win a championships those 2 years Jordan was out. Dude, you just can't Argue with 6 championships and 6 finals MVP. That's too high of a standard for ANYBODY to be judged by. Kobe won his FIRST AND ONLY REGULAR SEASON MVP AWARD AFTER 13 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE. Are you kidding me? yes, MJ was selfish to a certain extent but he proved he could still DOMINATE BEING THAT WAY.
@kanguesso Did Lakers win without Kobe during early Shaq years? Did Shaq WIN in Orlando, even with HARDAWAY? Your argument is weak, man. He was a second man, but he was 20, 7 and 6 man who could take over games when Shaq wasn't playin well and was in a foul trouble. Fact is, those 2 rings wouldn't be won without Kobe. Just like Kobe wouldn't win without Pau. Just like Jordan wouldn't win without Pippen and Rodman during 2nd three-peat. Kobe got robbed for MVP 2 times if u count stats
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Shaq was so dominant that he could have literally won those 3 championships in LA with ANY OTHER GUARD in the league at the time. If you look at his numbers, Shaq had been the most Dominant player since Jordan retired in '98. And Jordan, how can you say he wouldn't have won the second 3 peat without Pippen? When Jordan retired, the Bulls didn't win a championship, He comes back and they go on a 3 peat. Shaq was young and inexperienced in Orlando AND YOU KNOW IT.
@kanguesso Wait a second, so u REALLY think Jordan would have won without Pippen and Rodman? Wow bro, this is a deal breaker, this right here shows me that you don't even know what you are talkin about. And Shaq could have won without Kobe? In Phil's offense? YOU GOTTA be kidding me. Shaq only scores about 30 points a game, sometimes more but not by much, Where would other 70 points come from if there was no 2nd scorer like Kobe?
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Ah, Excuse me Sr. Jordan and The Bulls did win 3 straight rings before Rodman arrived, thank you very much. Plus, Jordan was the only dominating guard who won multiple championships without the services of a dominant big man down low. And yes i do think Jordan Could have won at least 2 or 3 rings without Pippen. He was that good. As for Shaq, He could have won those ring with any other guard like i said before, Iverson, T-mac, Paul Pierce to name a few.
@kanguesso Don't be naive, really? In the first 3-peat it was easier for him since the League's best went into rebuilding mode like Celts and Lakers, Detroit... It was an end of the era for those teams, and it was only beginning of Chi's dynasty. but what am i arguing, you REALLY think he would have won without Pippen, Grant and Rodman in 2nd 3-peat? REALLY? That's not even a question, to be honest. He wouldn't. Shaq had Hardaway and Orlando choked in the Finals. Without Kobe - no dynasty
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Hardaway was a great point forward at the time but that was it. The reason why Shaq left was because Hardaway wanted to be the man. And Shaq was young as hell in his very first finals appearance. We already know what Kobe can do without a dominating big man and that's MISSING THE PLAYOFFS And GETTING BOUNCED OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND. Shaq could have easily WON 3 RINGS with a Paul Pierce or Iverson. No kobe, no dynasty? hahahaha
@kanguesso Mj got bounced off plenty of times, why don't you talk about that? Iverson was MORE selfish than Hardaway, i don't see what the hell you are talkin about. Pierce was great, i can see that, but alone he wasn't scoring 35 points per game in his prime, maybe he could have won with Shaq multiple rings. You wanna talk Lakers 2005-2007? Tell me the starting line-up for that team. And tell me WHO CAN take that team in the playoffs and almost beat the best team at that time - Phoenix?
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Almost beat the best team at the time in the Suns? i am glad you brought that up, you know why? That's the series Kobe showed his true colors, he is a QUITTER. When things get tough, HE FOLDS like he did against a 38 year old jason kidd and the Mavs. He wants to stay outside and look pretty by taking jump shots. The Lakers should have won that series against the Suns, up 3-1 and Kobe ONCE AGAIN couldn't close it out. HE QUIT IN GAME 7 IN PHOENIX. He took 7 shots in that game.
@kanguesso They had 2 out of 3 games, if u saw they were 1 shot away. Thomas hit an incredible 3 after pump fake, and flat out, Phoenix were a better team in a long run. I really don't see how u can put blame on Kobe in THOSE series. I think Piston series were his all-time low, but every great has a moment like this. that's what got him on the work horse and made him stronger. Game 7 vs Phoenix? Watch his interview with Charles Barkley, he said it himself very well on Inside the nba
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Look, i remember those series as if it were yesterday. Kobe Choked big time, ain't no two ways about it. He hit a game winner in game 4, the Lakers went up 3-1. Do you know what the percentage of the teams that comeback from down 3-1 is? It is less than 10%. I don't care how good a team is, the odds of you coming back from down 3-1 are stacked against you. Kobe Choked in game 5 in Phoenix, game 6 at home and game 7 where he LITERALLY QUIT. Took 7 shots, 7 shots? from Kobe?
@kanguesso You know this thing could go on forever... i'm very tired arguing, we both have a point, and that's why Kobe will be remembered as the most hater or loved player ever. There is really almost no middle ground on him
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe You could be right, at the end of the day, i don't hate or dislike Kobe per se. But what do not like is his 12 year old fans who started watching Basketball Yesterday and think that everything that happened today is the best ever. I am a laker fan at heart and i don't believe Kobe is the greatest laker ever. I still think Magic Johnson is the best laker ever but that is a subject for another time. Like you said, there is no point in arguing any further.
@kanguesso Oh, so it's like THAT?! Bro, i am the same way! I hate those lil 12 year old noobs that don't even know their history, they just know 2 words : Kobe and fadeaway, hahaha. So yeah, we just come from a different prospective, you are obviously a more experienced fan than me, i been following NBA for 6 years, but i watch all those history DVD's and download games and everything :D Great talk anyway, thanks bro
LOL, Kobe actually is okay, he's not a complete flopping bitch. DWade would be a much better example. I wonder how long Glen Davis or Anderson Varejao would last in the 90s league? One forearm by Anthony Mason and they'd be missing 30 games for "injury."
@ebags18 No he would not, defense and the game was more fundamental back then. Players took pride on both sides of the court but more so on defense. Now a days is all about offense, with most NBA Stars. Kobe would be nothing special, there were guys just as athletic as he was in the 90's, and still struggled, Kobe would be good, but his inflated points per game would not be nearly as high and that's a fact.
@tdog1202 No fact if it hasn't been done. And it never will be. So it can NEVER be a fact or proven...... although we would all love to see such a thing
@kanguesso shut your fat ass up, how about you stop talking shit at least this eras basketball players are doing more than you could ever do in your entire life fucking cunt.
@kanguesso Hopw do you know that? You really donn't think today's players would have at least adapted? If they came up into that system, wouldn't they have already been groomed?
90's NBA fan talking here...... Kobe would have been fine. In fact they all would be.
@kanguesso so talking shit would actually do shit to kobe? lol even chris rock cant get into kobe's head. nope, not even matt barnes who tried to scare him off with the ball on his face. it's not like the celtics, magic(back then) pistons (back then) and heat (yes with their superior quickness) can't match up defensively with those guys. yes im talking to you, jordan homers
Gotta luv 90's Basketball which Oakley was the man in his days. Oakley and Mason I remember were a beast in the 90's. Wow, those were the good ol Charlotte Hornets to in the 90's. I am sure Charlotte fans wished Hornets could of stayed in Charlotte since they are good today. Thats what happens when you don't show up at games your team moves.
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Exactly. But why doesn't David Stern want Charles Oakley's? These refs are instructed to jump into possible altercations and act as authority figures nowadays... Its pathetic! Does David Stern think kids don't wanna see taunting and fighting? Shit when I was a kid I loved watching Oakley, Barkley and Rodman and Laimbeer act crazy. But now you can't show emotion or that you even care because the NBA is still so worried about the image they protray
despite having a 3 inch vertical, oak would not only only hustle, but kick the living shit out of the fake tough guys playing in today's era of the nba.
@wlammey94 i'm not hating, the guy was an effective player and had a tremendous amount of heart. this year's playoffs proved the knicks are still missing that, especially since they couldn't even win ONE stinking game. then again, what would you care? you're probably a heat/thunder/lakers fan, anyway. lmfao[wanker]
@AvEryBadApPLe your the front runner bitch iv been a knicks fan my whole life. Your probaly one of the doushbags who started following them when they got melo. Lmfao
@wlammey94 i know jews own tons of nba teams. so what, who cares? are you some type of ball licking jag off that dresses up like stalin on halloween? [wanker]
Back then there was "respectful" trash talking and celebration. Now every scrub thinks they are All-stars. So they mouth off. Refs are to sensative. Larry Johnson took it like a man. No disrespect. Just celebrating. Hockey fights all the time. Nobody sweats that.
@nemke1990 it wasn't that long ago, but the games & players were different then. i like the idea the refs don't tolerate the trash talking in your face behavior now. with today's players, if someone does it, there's a chance they go to the locker room & come back with a gun. the 70's, 80's, & 90's players were pros & knew where to draw the line on behavior. i'm not sure many in this generation understand it. the game needed cleaning up & controlled.
@HellRell1990s no thats how basketball should be played with emotion but now everybody is pussy and use their stardom to be a bitch instead of being a man and playing tough with emotion
@ONLYsmokesDAbest I don't think it's a case of being a "pussy." People seem to forget that NBA players during the 90's were often labeled as "thugs" and other derogatory things. David Stern then took it upon himself to crack down on the physical play in order to counter these perceptions. Ultimately, the NBA is a business and it was in the league's better financial interest to take these actions; albeit extreme. If these rules were removed, I'm sure you'd see 90's basketball again.
@geeman28 Not exactly. the Bulls actually struggled against the Knicks more than any other team. They had to really step up their game when they played the Knicks.
All of these restrictions started when Jordan retired in 1998. That is when David Stern gave the league a dress code, force players to go to college and got ride of all the "thugs".
@joepescifromcasino You're crazy. Football and hockey in the 90s were not better than they are now. Idk or care about baseball but it might be better without as many roiders.
@dntBaFanboi And we saw a bunch of no-hitters and perfect games in 2010. It's a pitcher's game again and I believe there is less PED use. football and hockey were better in the 90s Especially football without as many ridiculous rules protecting QBs and throwing Pass Interference flags on soooo many plays.
WOW, NBA has become the league of fucking whiners and pussies. I love the 90s. Only the fittest survived back then. That would have been probably an ejection in today's NBA. It is just amazing that Jordan, a guard at that, dominated that era in the manner that he did. That just shows people how great he really was. Today's NBA pre-modonas such as Lebron, Kobe, Pierce, Durant and many others are just a joke compared to how tough player were back then.
@kanguesso I think part of it is how strict the league has gotten on the fouls and the fights. It seems like the media and fans have a different standard for the NBA. You have a shoving match in a game and people talk about how the NBA is all thugs while you can have a bench clearing brawl in baseball or two teams go at it like the eagles and redskins did in mnf and no one cares. If you would have 2 teams get into it before a game in the nba, they'd talk about it for months.
@tcstylist Yes, you're 100% right. I don't know why there is such a double standard like that. The NBA used to be tougher in the old days. Now it's getting weaker and weaker.
This is a great clip. Oakley was one of the strongest players ever in the NBA. HOWEVER, Johnson was the ONLY player I ever saw handle Oakley in some tough situations. I couldn't believe my eyes.
@jimboedwardlee oakley was the toughest guy in the nba he slapped charles barkley dead in his face at a meetiing...and no lie oakley can kill larry johnson in a fight
i love how this video shows the missed free throw, Oakley wouldn't survive more than 2 seasons in today's NBA. One thing everyone can agree on is that the League will be much better once Stern's reign of terror is over.
This is what I loved about the 90s. Good or bad, the players got to be who they were on the court. Now, that clown Stern wants everyone to put on airs of being Santa Claus. Nowadays, the NBA is like watching a bunch of accountants.
It's not stern's fault that these punks in the NBA are all ignorant spoiled brats... He had to do what he had to do ever since the Piston brawl... I hate how the NBA has become today...
@GodfatherofSoul2004 you fuckin idiot, its not stern but the punk kids coming up through the NBA eanks, what is stern supposed to do, fuckin dick brain, its the kids that can't act like men, and stern is forced to put rules in place so repeats od detroit - idian brawl don't happen again. Fuckin imbecile.
If that happened today, Oakley would have gotten a tech.Thats the problem with the NBA today compared to back in the 90s etc...Guys back then WERE allowed to trash talk each other after a play,which made for great watching.Just such a shame David Stern has become a bitch about it and taken something away from the game.Oh and LJ did the right thing not reacting to Oakley,because EVERYONE knew back in the day you wont piss Charles Oakley off.One of the hardest man ever in the NBA.
Konformation07 ur a tool if u don't think LJ saw that. Oakley was literally screaming in his face. But it's all good, I can tell ur jus a bitter charlotte fan. Either that or ur dillusional
FUCK ZO...I HATE THAT BITCH ASS NIGGA
AssassinKing30 1 day ago
they become teammates later.
guitarsANDcars39 5 days ago
the good old days! real basketball!
kmchipower 1 week ago
MJ personal bodyguard... it's all.
Infynyte 1 week ago
damn! muggsy bogues is short as hell
revengeofbutthead 2 weeks ago
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tza18005 3 weeks ago
Actually he was smiling and so was LJ. There have always got along, and 3 years later they became teammates.
InfraaVerdaggens 1 month ago
I wouldn't have done shit either if Oak screamed in my face. You don't mess with someone who isn't right in the head. He probably had a knife on him.
JonAG72 1 month ago 5
@JonAG72 lmfao!
AvEryBadApPLe 1 month ago
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OAKLEY has no rings and Knicks had no chance with Oak giving MJ red carpet treatment to the basket. He even blocked out his Knick teammates so they can't get to MJ. A few times, Oak gave MJ sanitized semi-hard fouls so it wouldn't look too obvious. BTW, a Mall Cop beat the crap out of Oak or was it a bell hop? OAK is a loser. I'll take Shawn Bradley anytime - LoL
Kabaratchi 1 month ago
my favorite player !
TheKasabot 2 months ago
he celebrated like he won a half court shot for a $500,000 lol. oak played with such a passion.
AvEryBadApPLe 2 months ago
This is hilarious now...especially since LJ became a Knick several years later, and even today remains one of the more crowd favorite Knick players of the past 20 years or so. Oak, Ewing, Starks, LJ...any of these guys get shown on the Jumbotron screen sitting in the crowd at a Knicks game today, the building explodes
dabomb2045 2 months ago
GRANDMAMA!!
toadman842 2 months ago
that woulda been a tech now-a-days
JdoubleRR 2 months ago
With all that so called "toughness" the Knicks really never won anything in the 90's........best chance was against the Rockets and they choked that away!
mrmojorisin2 3 months ago
@mrmojorisin2 Reason they never won a title was due mostly to the fact that Ewing never had a Hall of Fame player on the Knicks to help him carry the load. Look at every championship team over the decades, each of them had at least two Hall of Famers on their roster. Lakers (Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Kobe)... Celtics (Bird, McHale, Parish, Pierce, Allen, Garnett)... Pistons (Thomas, Dumars, Rodman)... Bulls (Jordan, Pippen)... Spurs (Robinson, Duncan, Parker)... Mavs (Dirk, Kidd) etc, etc...
chefdizzy1 1 month ago
@chefdizzy1 what a lame excuse!
TheAmazingJelly 1 month ago
@TheAmazingJelly If you consider truth and fact as lame excuses... then yes, it's a lame excuse! And if that is what you truly believe, then I think you are a nimrod, who knows nothing about the game of basketball!
Take care!
chefdizzy1 1 month ago
i would have hit him in the face for celebrating like that...he didn't do nothing...just a layup...lame oakley..he sucked as a player...
justcruzzinn 3 months ago
Great pass by Doc, man Muggsy was so small, crazy
JKCNinety 3 months ago
LOL
trinitodbone4 3 months ago
The 1991-1992 Knicks were so gully:
Oakley, Mason, McDaniels, Starks, Ewing, Gerald Wilkins and Anthony all on the SAME TEAM!!!
sgtpepper2345 3 months ago
@sgtpepper2345 They were the only team to PUNK OUT the Pistons! Rodman and Laimbeer were running away from them during fights in the 1992 playoffs.
InfraaVerdaggens 1 month ago
No surprise he's STILL Jordan's bodyguard today
sgtpepper2345 3 months ago
I love Oakley
CookieWalka 3 months ago
I'm just wondering how the hell LJ and Zo manage to get along in Charlotte. I remember watching UNLV vs Georgetown play in the NCCA tournament, Larry Johnson was talking alot of shit to Zo during that game as well.
Dogfacesoulja8582 3 months ago
@Dogfacesoulja8582 alonzo and johnson didnt get along thats why he left to go to miami...look up alonzo mouring on wikipedia go in the miami heat section and read the first sentence...on the court they played well together but of the court it wasnt good
tismewoodly1 2 months ago
..and to think that it was Oaks who tried to pacify Zo and LJ when they "fought" in a Knicks-Heat game..
myquill23 3 months ago
"Oakley don't give a fuck."
Cdrouin50 4 months ago
knicks were bullying teams back in the 90's
ceeIoc 4 months ago
Oakley can still go up against todays NBA players
footlockerjl32 4 months ago
come on oak! u gotta make the free throw after all that! otherwise u look foolish.
oDDmahnsta 5 months ago
chris bosh will cry playing against Oakley
willlee3 5 months ago 9
@29larron
yea man; the all white jerseys, the intros, the lighting at the Garden, even the corny ass beats they play while the game is on: they should go back to the piano like in this clip here; theres just not the same atmosphere there was in the 90's and we need to go back to that to have some kind of home court advantage
REPQNZ 5 months ago
Back when the Knicks were the Knicks, and When MSG was MSG. The Garden will never rock like this again.
REPQNZ 5 months ago
@REPQNZ forreal,thats when cats was scared to come to the Garden cause they knew Oak n Mason would lay they ass on they back.Now u got stiffs n pussies like Jeffries givin up and1s..smfh!
29larron 5 months ago
Future teammates...gotta love the NBA.
overby1796 6 months ago
missed the damn foul shot
sawcbee 6 months ago
ok... does anyone else hear that super loud high pitched noise?
SeanthPawn 6 months ago
JOhnson's allday lol,,Plz Subscribe
bastardetx 6 months ago
The NBA isn´t in crisis because of the bad players contracts, they are in crisis because they don´t let the players to be real men and play the game as it should be played, a game for men not for names...
MrTonylarl 6 months ago
Haha miminicking LJ's screaming... 12 year olds better know Magic... Real talk I was 12 10yrs ago and I knew who Happy Hairison, Kermit Washington, Gail Goodrich, the Hawk and Keith Wilkes was... But that was when ESPN classic had good shit lol
HubieBrown2ndPerson 7 months ago
Lol he missed the free throw, don't get up in another nigga's face if you can't make a free throw
eljuandale 7 months ago
LOL! oak would be teammates with LJ years later. And of course, LJ and Mourning would throw punches at each other, years later as well
GialloHorror 7 months ago
if oakley did that today it will be a technical -- pussy nba nowadays
magnificentethereal 7 months ago
You would get a technical foul and fine for that so quickly now.
TKollaKid 7 months ago
Those two teams you see there are two of the most ferocious defensive teams of that era. Oakley would have easily gotten a technical foul in today's pussy NBA. Today's so called Super Stars would shit their pants playing against the defensive teams of the 90s like the Knicks, Hornets, Heat, Pistons and others. Yes, i am talking to you Kobe.
kanguesso 7 months ago 35
@kanguesso
You commented truth right there sir.
Killer0fTheSun 7 months ago
@kanguesso Kobe played in the 90's and beginning of 00's too, WTF u talkin bout? Trash Talkin was still pretty much in effect at that time
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe WFT u Talkin bout? you uneducated waste of air. Of course he played in the 90s, i remember how small he came up in the playoffs including those air balls he shot against the Jazz. 90s Defense.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso 5 rings - more than the whole Jazz history. OWNED. The most clutch player in the game now. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. Stop hating
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe He was really Clutch this playoff season especially against a 38 year Jason Kidd defending him, right. Plus, Dirk Punk'd him and the Lakers. The most clutch player in the game now? you're fucking kidding me. You must have missed the whole playoffs. Kobe, or should i say SLOWBE is the most OVERRATED guard in the league. Can you imagine Jordan being Punk'd in the playoffs by a European player?
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso The man has 3 injuries. THREE. He is not even supposed to play, but those injuries would take too long to heal during the season. Tell me whom DIN'T Dirk punk? The man was outstanding, but there is a reason why Kobe has been in SEVEN OUT of TEN FINALS THIS PAST DECADE. And that is because he's a great player who knows how to get it done. Last question is tricky, since there was no dominating European players i can think off in Jordan era, like Nash and Dirk, 3 MVP's amongst them
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Hahahahahahaha excuses, excuses, excuses. Like professional athletes always say, if you're going to take the court, YOU'RE 100% HEALTHY. Secondly, you're right, there is a reason why Kobe has been to 7 NBA finals in the past decade, one of which is the fact that he was taken to his first 3 finals appearance by a big man named Shaq. And there is also a reason why HE LOST 2 of those 7 appearances while some guy named MJ is 6-0 in the finals. How's that for a stat?
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso Dude, come on now, you think MJ din't want to be a champion more times than 6? What it means is that he has been champion of the DOMINATING WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS 7 times. And he wasn't Sasha Vujacic on those Shaq teams, come on now too. He was Scottie to MJ. And we all say how Scottie played without MJ that one season with half-assed roster. He carried the team and he had a great run. Same with Kobe, he was given the opportunity to be more and he ran with it. MJ was too selfish
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Yes, Scottie did fairly well when MJ retired, but the point is, the Bulls didn't win a championships those 2 years Jordan was out. Dude, you just can't Argue with 6 championships and 6 finals MVP. That's too high of a standard for ANYBODY to be judged by. Kobe won his FIRST AND ONLY REGULAR SEASON MVP AWARD AFTER 13 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE. Are you kidding me? yes, MJ was selfish to a certain extent but he proved he could still DOMINATE BEING THAT WAY.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso Did Lakers win without Kobe during early Shaq years? Did Shaq WIN in Orlando, even with HARDAWAY? Your argument is weak, man. He was a second man, but he was 20, 7 and 6 man who could take over games when Shaq wasn't playin well and was in a foul trouble. Fact is, those 2 rings wouldn't be won without Kobe. Just like Kobe wouldn't win without Pau. Just like Jordan wouldn't win without Pippen and Rodman during 2nd three-peat. Kobe got robbed for MVP 2 times if u count stats
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Shaq was so dominant that he could have literally won those 3 championships in LA with ANY OTHER GUARD in the league at the time. If you look at his numbers, Shaq had been the most Dominant player since Jordan retired in '98. And Jordan, how can you say he wouldn't have won the second 3 peat without Pippen? When Jordan retired, the Bulls didn't win a championship, He comes back and they go on a 3 peat. Shaq was young and inexperienced in Orlando AND YOU KNOW IT.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso Wait a second, so u REALLY think Jordan would have won without Pippen and Rodman? Wow bro, this is a deal breaker, this right here shows me that you don't even know what you are talkin about. And Shaq could have won without Kobe? In Phil's offense? YOU GOTTA be kidding me. Shaq only scores about 30 points a game, sometimes more but not by much, Where would other 70 points come from if there was no 2nd scorer like Kobe?
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Ah, Excuse me Sr. Jordan and The Bulls did win 3 straight rings before Rodman arrived, thank you very much. Plus, Jordan was the only dominating guard who won multiple championships without the services of a dominant big man down low. And yes i do think Jordan Could have won at least 2 or 3 rings without Pippen. He was that good. As for Shaq, He could have won those ring with any other guard like i said before, Iverson, T-mac, Paul Pierce to name a few.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso Don't be naive, really? In the first 3-peat it was easier for him since the League's best went into rebuilding mode like Celts and Lakers, Detroit... It was an end of the era for those teams, and it was only beginning of Chi's dynasty. but what am i arguing, you REALLY think he would have won without Pippen, Grant and Rodman in 2nd 3-peat? REALLY? That's not even a question, to be honest. He wouldn't. Shaq had Hardaway and Orlando choked in the Finals. Without Kobe - no dynasty
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Hardaway was a great point forward at the time but that was it. The reason why Shaq left was because Hardaway wanted to be the man. And Shaq was young as hell in his very first finals appearance. We already know what Kobe can do without a dominating big man and that's MISSING THE PLAYOFFS And GETTING BOUNCED OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND. Shaq could have easily WON 3 RINGS with a Paul Pierce or Iverson. No kobe, no dynasty? hahahaha
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso Mj got bounced off plenty of times, why don't you talk about that? Iverson was MORE selfish than Hardaway, i don't see what the hell you are talkin about. Pierce was great, i can see that, but alone he wasn't scoring 35 points per game in his prime, maybe he could have won with Shaq multiple rings. You wanna talk Lakers 2005-2007? Tell me the starting line-up for that team. And tell me WHO CAN take that team in the playoffs and almost beat the best team at that time - Phoenix?
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Almost beat the best team at the time in the Suns? i am glad you brought that up, you know why? That's the series Kobe showed his true colors, he is a QUITTER. When things get tough, HE FOLDS like he did against a 38 year old jason kidd and the Mavs. He wants to stay outside and look pretty by taking jump shots. The Lakers should have won that series against the Suns, up 3-1 and Kobe ONCE AGAIN couldn't close it out. HE QUIT IN GAME 7 IN PHOENIX. He took 7 shots in that game.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso They had 2 out of 3 games, if u saw they were 1 shot away. Thomas hit an incredible 3 after pump fake, and flat out, Phoenix were a better team in a long run. I really don't see how u can put blame on Kobe in THOSE series. I think Piston series were his all-time low, but every great has a moment like this. that's what got him on the work horse and made him stronger. Game 7 vs Phoenix? Watch his interview with Charles Barkley, he said it himself very well on Inside the nba
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Look, i remember those series as if it were yesterday. Kobe Choked big time, ain't no two ways about it. He hit a game winner in game 4, the Lakers went up 3-1. Do you know what the percentage of the teams that comeback from down 3-1 is? It is less than 10%. I don't care how good a team is, the odds of you coming back from down 3-1 are stacked against you. Kobe Choked in game 5 in Phoenix, game 6 at home and game 7 where he LITERALLY QUIT. Took 7 shots, 7 shots? from Kobe?
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso You know this thing could go on forever... i'm very tired arguing, we both have a point, and that's why Kobe will be remembered as the most hater or loved player ever. There is really almost no middle ground on him
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe You could be right, at the end of the day, i don't hate or dislike Kobe per se. But what do not like is his 12 year old fans who started watching Basketball Yesterday and think that everything that happened today is the best ever. I am a laker fan at heart and i don't believe Kobe is the greatest laker ever. I still think Magic Johnson is the best laker ever but that is a subject for another time. Like you said, there is no point in arguing any further.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso Oh, so it's like THAT?! Bro, i am the same way! I hate those lil 12 year old noobs that don't even know their history, they just know 2 words : Kobe and fadeaway, hahaha. So yeah, we just come from a different prospective, you are obviously a more experienced fan than me, i been following NBA for 6 years, but i watch all those history DVD's and download games and everything :D Great talk anyway, thanks bro
KamalAkaBeLikeKobe 7 months ago
@KamalAkaBeLikeKobe Anytime dude, Anytime.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso The Bulls was great on defense too.
Domini478 6 months ago
@Domini478 Yep.
kanguesso 6 months ago
@kanguesso so if jordan would be playing in todays nba, were he had no choice but to play the way it is right now, would you call him a pussy too?
Fazotronic 6 months ago
@Fazotronic IF he bitched and moaned after every fucking call the way kobe does, yes.
kanguesso 6 months ago
@kanguesso Apparently you haven't seen MJ play................
morpheus232001 3 months ago
@kanguesso
LOL, Kobe actually is okay, he's not a complete flopping bitch. DWade would be a much better example. I wonder how long Glen Davis or Anderson Varejao would last in the 90s league? One forearm by Anthony Mason and they'd be missing 30 games for "injury."
realrocky8591 6 months ago 2
@kanguesso you must be crazy, kobe is the last remnant of 90s style basketball..
lorenllbj88 6 months ago
@lorenllbj88 Wrong: GARNETT is the last remnant. Kobe plays like a teenage girl.
InfraaVerdaggens 1 month ago
@kanguesso LMFAO
MrDJRoey 6 months ago
@kanguesso oh please kobe would've bust they ass just like he be doing players today.The ? is what would u do aganist those teams nothing!!!!!!!!!!.
ebags18 5 months ago in playlist sports
@ebags18 No he would not, defense and the game was more fundamental back then. Players took pride on both sides of the court but more so on defense. Now a days is all about offense, with most NBA Stars. Kobe would be nothing special, there were guys just as athletic as he was in the 90's, and still struggled, Kobe would be good, but his inflated points per game would not be nearly as high and that's a fact.
tdog1202 4 months ago
@tdog1202 No fact if it hasn't been done. And it never will be. So it can NEVER be a fact or proven...... although we would all love to see such a thing
morpheus232001 3 months ago
@kanguesso shut your fat ass up, how about you stop talking shit at least this eras basketball players are doing more than you could ever do in your entire life fucking cunt.
3232James 5 months ago
@3232James Hahahahahahaha i am 6'2" tall and weigh 195BLS, Sr. I am far from being fat, in fact, i couldn't be leaner if i tried.
kanguesso 5 months ago
@kanguesso GREATEST COMMENT EVER POSTED KEEP EM COMING!
tdog1202 4 months ago
@kanguesso Hopw do you know that? You really donn't think today's players would have at least adapted? If they came up into that system, wouldn't they have already been groomed?
90's NBA fan talking here...... Kobe would have been fine. In fact they all would be.
morpheus232001 3 months ago
@kanguesso great point, but seriously how do you forget the bulls on your list? cmon man..
MrAsian33 3 months ago
@kanguesso no koke would own em.
idontnoapassword 3 months ago
@kanguesso so talking shit would actually do shit to kobe? lol even chris rock cant get into kobe's head. nope, not even matt barnes who tried to scare him off with the ball on his face. it's not like the celtics, magic(back then) pistons (back then) and heat (yes with their superior quickness) can't match up defensively with those guys. yes im talking to you, jordan homers
LiqCharles 3 months ago
Then they became teammates and Larry celebrating in Alonzo's face...
IwasBannedfromYtube 8 months ago
@IwasBannedfromYtube oakley, 'Zo, and LJ. 3 of the baddest and toughest mama jamas to ever play in the NBA! period.
duftyboxing 7 months ago
Gotta luv 90's Basketball which Oakley was the man in his days. Oakley and Mason I remember were a beast in the 90's. Wow, those were the good ol Charlotte Hornets to in the 90's. I am sure Charlotte fans wished Hornets could of stayed in Charlotte since they are good today. Thats what happens when you don't show up at games your team moves.
tonebeatz24 8 months ago
now of days that woulda been an tech. bring the old refing back who agrees?? check my music and videos out plz i will appreciate it real hip hop and underground music lives
Headache313rd 8 months ago 3
Exactly. But why doesn't David Stern want Charles Oakley's? These refs are instructed to jump into possible altercations and act as authority figures nowadays... Its pathetic! Does David Stern think kids don't wanna see taunting and fighting? Shit when I was a kid I loved watching Oakley, Barkley and Rodman and Laimbeer act crazy. But now you can't show emotion or that you even care because the NBA is still so worried about the image they protray
HubieBrown2ndPerson 8 months ago
Ahhh the good old days of the NBA. Commissioner David Stern created 10 accounts and "disliked" this video.
morningafter907 8 months ago 2
They don't make players like Oakley anymore. David Stern only wants softies.
OneRTZero 8 months ago
Instead of taunting he should have stayed focused to make the free throw.
cornelius386 8 months ago
I remember this like yesterday, I saw this as a kid, hard 2 believe it was nearly 20 years ago, I was 15 then
curt349 8 months ago
No one messed with Charles Oakley...... Ever.
Raw000 8 months ago 2
despite having a 3 inch vertical, oak would not only only hustle, but kick the living shit out of the fake tough guys playing in today's era of the nba.
AvEryBadApPLe 9 months ago 7
@AvEryBadApPLe playa hata
wlammey94 8 months ago
@wlammey94 i'm not hating, the guy was an effective player and had a tremendous amount of heart. this year's playoffs proved the knicks are still missing that, especially since they couldn't even win ONE stinking game. then again, what would you care? you're probably a heat/thunder/lakers fan, anyway. lmfao[wanker]
AvEryBadApPLe 8 months ago
@AvEryBadApPLe your the front runner bitch iv been a knicks fan my whole life. Your probaly one of the doushbags who started following them when they got melo. Lmfao
wlammey94 8 months ago
@wlammey94 you're cock smoker and a liar. lmfao
AvEryBadApPLe 8 months ago
@AvEryBadApPLe jew
wlammey94 8 months ago
@wlammey94 i know jews own tons of nba teams. so what, who cares? are you some type of ball licking jag off that dresses up like stalin on halloween? [wanker]
AvEryBadApPLe 8 months ago
Back then there was "respectful" trash talking and celebration. Now every scrub thinks they are All-stars. So they mouth off. Refs are to sensative. Larry Johnson took it like a man. No disrespect. Just celebrating. Hockey fights all the time. Nobody sweats that.
moxyblackfiddle 9 months ago 2
I was reading that players were scared of Oakley because he didn't give a fuck.
KTF0 9 months ago
god damn it that was bball...in todays game my grandma could step on the court and get a technical for walking slow...
nemke1990 9 months ago
@nemke1990 it wasn't that long ago, but the games & players were different then. i like the idea the refs don't tolerate the trash talking in your face behavior now. with today's players, if someone does it, there's a chance they go to the locker room & come back with a gun. the 70's, 80's, & 90's players were pros & knew where to draw the line on behavior. i'm not sure many in this generation understand it. the game needed cleaning up & controlled.
sltwentytwo 9 months ago
I'd pay MONEY to see an Oak-LJ scuffle...
eddiemackalicious 9 months ago
lol lj was intimidating back then but even he knew ,no one fucks w oakley
coolwaterz 9 months ago
YEAHHH, YEAHHHHH, YEA YEA YEA, YEAHHHH lol
akamoney1 9 months ago
I wish shit was like these days again..thank GOD for youtube...i mean it.
MrSlik25 9 months ago
back when the refs actually knew their place. nowadays that would be a technical foul
grasd2 10 months ago
@grasd2 No, it would be a five game suspension.
bishop102 10 months ago
Oakley, Starks, Mason, LARRY!...miss you guys.
rafaleles 10 months ago 3
Oak is MJ's bodyguard now. Notice how Mike never seems phased about anyone running up on him...
RAV52 10 months ago
FUCK U HATERS OAKLEY IS NYC'S HOMETOWN HERO
vthokie900 10 months ago
@vthokie900 Oakley is from Cleveland
arvydas0069 10 months ago
they cant celebrate like that anymore
shyst85 11 months ago
OAKLEY = MIKE TYSON LOLOL!
kk22bbme 11 months ago
damn that was when trash talking was at its all time high in the nba......
thats a tech, a fine, and 30 min coverage on ESPN
HellRell1990s 1 year ago 78
@HellRell1990s no thats how basketball should be played with emotion but now everybody is pussy and use their stardom to be a bitch instead of being a man and playing tough with emotion
ONLYsmokesDAbest 9 months ago
@ONLYsmokesDAbest I don't think it's a case of being a "pussy." People seem to forget that NBA players during the 90's were often labeled as "thugs" and other derogatory things. David Stern then took it upon himself to crack down on the physical play in order to counter these perceptions. Ultimately, the NBA is a business and it was in the league's better financial interest to take these actions; albeit extreme. If these rules were removed, I'm sure you'd see 90's basketball again.
twinkiefoot 8 months ago
@HellRell1990s FUCK ESPN
YouGotJEWD 5 months ago
@HellRell1990s I miss those days too
JeremyOakley17 4 months ago
In today's league, that's a T real quick. Man the good ol days
2006bayareadreamking 1 year ago
wow the Hornets management really fucked over the city of Charlotte..
BCEagle73 1 year ago
fantastic
setty079 1 year ago
And ironically enough, six years later, it was Larry Johnson who helped get the 8th seed Knicks into the '99 NBA Finals.
mrjinx87 1 year ago
I swear Oakley had one ugly jump shot lol
vybzcartel1 1 year ago
lmao he missed the free throw
REpsycho 1 year ago
@REpsycho yea lol
SvR2011Storylines 1 year ago
Dirty playing Knicks...
kilagon10 1 year ago
BULLS OWNED THE KNICKS
geeman28 1 year ago
@geeman28 Not exactly. the Bulls actually struggled against the Knicks more than any other team. They had to really step up their game when they played the Knicks.
williwo 1 year ago
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@williwo yep, but they did it........
onblock7 11 months ago
Lmfaoo I miss the Knicks..
broski90 1 year ago
hehe misses the free throw of course.. i forget oakley can be good looking when he doesn't feel like looking homeless
Iknowhowtospellsorta 1 year ago
All of these restrictions started when Jordan retired in 1998. That is when David Stern gave the league a dress code, force players to go to college and got ride of all the "thugs".
idontknow1919 1 year ago
@idontknow1919 Thug is a nice word for nigger. White males are obsessed with trying to control black men. It never works
jimboedwardlee 1 year ago
90s ball was the best, actually 90s everything was basically the best, you kids today have no idea
joepescifromcasino 1 year ago
@joepescifromcasino You're crazy. Football and hockey in the 90s were not better than they are now. Idk or care about baseball but it might be better without as many roiders.
dntBaFanboi 1 year ago
@dntBaFanboi And we saw a bunch of no-hitters and perfect games in 2010. It's a pitcher's game again and I believe there is less PED use. football and hockey were better in the 90s Especially football without as many ridiculous rules protecting QBs and throwing Pass Interference flags on soooo many plays.
mikezawadzki 1 year ago
Oakley would of been fined 100,00 for that taunt in today's game
Yea00 1 year ago
WOW, NBA has become the league of fucking whiners and pussies. I love the 90s. Only the fittest survived back then. That would have been probably an ejection in today's NBA. It is just amazing that Jordan, a guard at that, dominated that era in the manner that he did. That just shows people how great he really was. Today's NBA pre-modonas such as Lebron, Kobe, Pierce, Durant and many others are just a joke compared to how tough player were back then.
kanguesso 1 year ago
@kanguesso I think part of it is how strict the league has gotten on the fouls and the fights. It seems like the media and fans have a different standard for the NBA. You have a shoving match in a game and people talk about how the NBA is all thugs while you can have a bench clearing brawl in baseball or two teams go at it like the eagles and redskins did in mnf and no one cares. If you would have 2 teams get into it before a game in the nba, they'd talk about it for months.
tcstylist 1 year ago
@tcstylist Yes, you're 100% right. I don't know why there is such a double standard like that. The NBA used to be tougher in the old days. Now it's getting weaker and weaker.
kanguesso 1 year ago
I miss the 90s NBA, the version now is a god damn pussy ass joke
thinkingjack 1 year ago
John Starks looks like Petey in 'Remember the Titans'.
MrYungFatal 1 year ago
omg Muggsy Bogues looks like a toddler.
Lundbelievable1914 1 year ago 41
@Lundbelievable1914 lol lil muggsy!
Skyhighblu 1 year ago
This is a great clip. Oakley was one of the strongest players ever in the NBA. HOWEVER, Johnson was the ONLY player I ever saw handle Oakley in some tough situations. I couldn't believe my eyes.
I have heard that Oakley is good people
jimboedwardlee 1 year ago
@jimboedwardlee oakley was the toughest guy in the nba he slapped charles barkley dead in his face at a meetiing...and no lie oakley can kill larry johnson in a fight
botzaro00 1 year ago
oakley better celebrate while he can cuz Larry Johnson would destroy oakley on a regular basis
larrence029 1 year ago
@larrence029 oakley beat up barkley slapped him dead in face at a meeting oakley can kill larry johnson in a fight
botzaro00 1 year ago
@botzaro00 no he didnt, no he wouldnt, and i was talkin bout the fact that larry johnson is a better player
larrence029 1 year ago
who's the white midget wearing the blue jersey ? LOL
G0odf3lla 1 year ago
@G0odf3lla its muggsy bogues, hes not white
danielson4 1 year ago
@G0odf3lla LOL
ArmoredFelix 1 year ago
awesome. knicks win and await another ass-kicking from the bulls! haha. knicks STILL suck. thank you.
ilovechi1 1 year ago
Stern should retire.
tothebeaty0 1 year ago
i love how this video shows the missed free throw, Oakley wouldn't survive more than 2 seasons in today's NBA. One thing everyone can agree on is that the League will be much better once Stern's reign of terror is over.
shauno333 1 year ago
That was that time when basket ball wasn't played by girlz like now.
Nhilzer 1 year ago
you want taunting....we all should vote for charles barkley for nba commissioner
j3ggy 1 year ago
This is what I loved about the 90s. Good or bad, the players got to be who they were on the court. Now, that clown Stern wants everyone to put on airs of being Santa Claus. Nowadays, the NBA is like watching a bunch of accountants.
F U Stern!!!
GodfatherofSoul2004 1 year ago
@GodfatherofSoul2004 Amen.
Scottdvz 1 year ago
@GodfatherofSoul2004
It's not stern's fault that these punks in the NBA are all ignorant spoiled brats... He had to do what he had to do ever since the Piston brawl... I hate how the NBA has become today...
gghochu 1 year ago
@GodfatherofSoul2004 you fuckin idiot, its not stern but the punk kids coming up through the NBA eanks, what is stern supposed to do, fuckin dick brain, its the kids that can't act like men, and stern is forced to put rules in place so repeats od detroit - idian brawl don't happen again. Fuckin imbecile.
droctagon3k 1 year ago
@droctagon3k Does your dad know you're on his computer?
GodfatherofSoul2004 1 year ago 2
0:25 mugsy bogues is soo short.
redassasain18 1 year ago
If that happened today, Oakley would have gotten a tech.Thats the problem with the NBA today compared to back in the 90s etc...Guys back then WERE allowed to trash talk each other after a play,which made for great watching.Just such a shame David Stern has become a bitch about it and taken something away from the game.Oh and LJ did the right thing not reacting to Oakley,because EVERYONE knew back in the day you wont piss Charles Oakley off.One of the hardest man ever in the NBA.
Raw000 1 year ago 3
LJ was looking somewhere else. Wasted energy I say.
Konformation07 1 year ago
Konformation07 ur a tool if u don't think LJ saw that. Oakley was literally screaming in his face. But it's all good, I can tell ur jus a bitter charlotte fan. Either that or ur dillusional
superhopper 1 year ago
@superhopper 1. I'm not a tool 2. I'm not a Charlotte fan 3. I'm not delusional I said that as in he was probably trying to look away f