You are the happening, your surrounding. You are the past and the future here in the present.You are every single concious mind in existing experiencing itself subjectively.To put yourself in someone else's shoes, is to think and temporarily become that conciousness.There is no other,only you and the interaction with yourself.
omg your not waiting anything ...u got it now....close you mind ,so to speak ..what uv been lead to believe is nothin ...its just u ..find the thought of you n you can find happiness...without the background noise of the world... its the the forgotten
Sheer Truth all the way....The Truth that the entire worlds searches in books and institutions or cults commonly known as religionS...he presents it in such a simplistic manner...God we miss you sir!!!...You were one of the very few who traveled to the deepest core within your own self and concience!...Thank you for the video my friend...
One of my favorites of all the many videos I've watched of K's talks and interviews. "Is there a psychological time...an inward time? There isn't. We have created it!" Great stuff!! Thanks for posting.
That was a quality interview, one of the best with Krishnamurti; that interviewer was very good. Other interviewers get tangled in their own conflicts with Krishnamurti, this interviewer is careful and apt to listen and appreciate, balancing delicately criticism and appreciation.
I agree when he said we are not individuals.... We like to believe we are unique entities in our own little world that we have created in our mind that separates us from the external world but in reality the mind is the creation of the collective experiences and informations of the whole world
If anyone is curious, I just thought I'd throw this out there. A lot of people seem to have "interpretations" of Krishnamurti. I'll just let you know right now that if you have an "interpretation" of what Krishnamurti's message is, then you have it wrong.
The interviewer asked all the right questions. K answered them perfectly. However I know sometimes I am still not aware of my actions when the situation comes and I realized it afterwards. So I think it does not come instantaneously, but with determination to have that purity and self awareness I will get there. Its so easy to indulge oneself in thoughts but I need to stop the life lead by continual thought.
@simplica1 The more you witness your programmed mind operating based on thought-conciousness, you see that it's not indulgence which is brings about, it's disorder, it's confusion and it's insane.
The basic idea is to SEE clearly and once you do, through inquiry, there's no way you'd allow conflict to exist in you because you'd see it for what it really is. If a snake was about to bite you, you'd simply move away, you wouldn't have to meditate on the methods in which to move away, you just would. This is how I'm interpreting it. Anthony De Mello is another great teacher.
Krishnamurti does not profess to know the truth for you or me. He is leading us to find the truth within ourselves. The truth is,in his own words, a function of "choiceless awareness." Its is only through awareness without thought that we can psychologically transform our own consciousness and ultimately the nature of society. There is no path to the truth other than living each moment with the perception of who is doing the perceiving. When this is clear, then so is the truth.
I could really see K struggling with the question "How do we go about it?" Perhaps there wasn't one direct answer for that. But it struck me rather quickly that the "How" was what the Buddha had taught. And, having made myself familiar to the fundamental teachings of the Buddha, I could see the startling similarities between his and Buddha's arguments, specially the "sensitive awareness" part (who knows, maybe K had become a Buddha!). Try listening to S N Goenka and reading Vipassana literature.
Thank goodness for Levin - he is my ego, doubting, questioning, using the word "but"...His learned analytical approach really helped me see my own conceptual crutches!
I have to thank you, seastarwatcher, for posting this interview which I find myself playing every day. The combination of Levin's intelligence and tact bring out the very best of Krishnamurti.
Hi, it seems to me that we only think we can choose, but in reality we are not. Because if we choose, we choose to escape pain or fear or attain pleasure or naything we perceive as positive. So we are constantly trapped in duality. We are occupied by thoughts, slave to them. only by not choosing, not preoccupying the mind with dual concepts in order to choose, we are free.
Everything just clicked. Click, click, click. I found myself laughing. I've been listening alot to Eckhart Tolle, and now I found this guy. He is so pure, it's amazing. So inspirational...
don't follow the herd is what he's saying which is a big part of the ego. in sum it sounds like to live within our means, but even today's means, means dual incomes to live decently.
Krishnamurti has made me a happy man. Even though he is long gone I thank him and his insight. I no longer hunger for anything because I know the hunger will always be there. All I do now is find solutions for my hungers and things of that type. Thank you sir I am still learning with these open talks I am learning none the less.
Wonderful. Bernard Levin understood K, really. He asked the right questions, because he was not caught in awe, as so many were, because he was just natural to ask honest questions. This is a real dialogue, honest, fresh and crude.
To see these eye opening comments for this video is reassuring, because people are clearing away the lies, and it may not seem like much, but this realization does and is changing the world. It changes a lot quicker when there is an instantaneous change like they discussed, but most of us are just modified slaves. We haven't fundamentally, absolutely changed and that is what's needed to be completely free.
this was fantastic, some of Ks discussions with philosophers & the like are so self-indulgent on the part of one or both parties. as a westerner with many western questions bouncing around in my head while listening to K, i was thrilled to hear this discussion, i only wish it were much longer! thanks for these videos!
Are not ALL Cultures interdependent and the result of the interactions of Centuries?
Unfortunately our "Leaders" seem bent upon fostering discord in order to build THEIR OWN "empires".....using fear/terror/mistrust.Think of the times Cultures have been mutually enriched, these are Times of crisis AND opportunity|!
excellent excellent questions by levin! best interview without the pschobable jargons of other interviewers. jk is getting a bit old now. thanks for the video!
Will comes from the wish to chose. When you chose there´s a conflict inside. If you are at freedom there´s no conflict therefore will it´s a useless symbol because on that state of mind all is. So just be.
Your english is good enough:-) I understand what you have written. You have written it very clearly. The difference is that you are talking about human will which always tends to devide whatever there is. On the other hand God's will doesnt cause division but unity. K. talks about human will and in that he is right..
You make the assumption from the get go that there is such a thing as God, but you have your God and someone over there has a different God and both of you argue who is correct. The fact of the matter is that if you are truthful to yourself and to me, you do not know and most certainly cannot prove there is such a thing as God in the first place. Interpretting K's words as pertaining to human will and not God's will,is a childish and unproductive enterprise. We know only human will, nothing more
Exactly. God is just a concept invented by human thought, born out of man's desperation and fumbling around in the dark. Only long tradition and acceptance makes it seem the "truth."
This Krishnamurti was a brand new experience for me, a very helpful nine minutes of insight. I will have to find and read more. His ideas of time as a social construct, of science and method as somewhat limited, of insight as instantaneous, of faith as centrally important, conform with my own ideas exactly. Also, that we are a community more than a collection of individuals, very insightful observation to make in our modern, corporate, shopper's paradise world of big government nation states.
Thats your interpretation and isnt what k was pointing out in that instance.Its very difficult for a mind to listen without memory translating according to its own conditioning.
I am Roman Catholic, Italian American of Mediterranean Culture and appreciate both Western Civilization and the Founding Fathers/Brothers of America's Age of Reason. So, when I speak of Faith, I am speaking of Faith in God Almighty, the Creator, our Father in Heaven.
My reasoning is that faith (in whatever - voodoo, christ, majamee...) does not prove that what you believe in does exist.
What I am saying is - I either know or don't know. If I know I don''t have to believe in it because I know something. If I don't know, then faith or belief will not show me any evidence of whatever is not known to exist. So what is god and why (if he exists) does cowardly doesn't show up? If such a supposedly intellignet being is playing games
So then, to put it in other words, your "faith" is entirely in yourself and your own five senses, encapsulated within your own time period of existence and your own mortal spheres of experience, learning, intellect and application. Whatever happened to "The Big Picture"? God did "show up" in the person of His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Where have you been?
Well, of course I would have to politely disagree with you there. Sounds like a recipe for personal or social psychosis, schizophrenia, or at best sociopathy to me. Sounds, in other words, like modern Anglo-American Corporate Capitalism. No wonder "The System Is Failing." Artificial Intelligence, Indeed!
That is good that you disagree. K would say - question everything, go into it, understand it...
However the terminology you use points to the aspects of your life youare woried about - psychosis, schizophrenia, sociopathy, Artificial Intelligence and Corporate Capitalism. These are the things that worry you, my friend. Not me:D
When you say "either I know or I don't know" you sound to me like you are turning yourself into a single state transistor, merely one element of the CPU, a "cog in the machine" if you will. You are merely a Binary Device. Modern living, learning, accumulated knowledge and experience goes well beyond the suggested scope of your own worries, I would have to observe. Simplicity can be elegance. Or "ignorance is bliss." Why worry? Babes do not. Sorry you see fit to personalize the use of big words
You just keep traveling farther afield in your responses - now namecalling "voodoo" spirit, which I assume is akin to "voodoo" economics. As for using language and thinking: Yeah, I do that, and so glad I do. To empty out your mind, thoughts and emotions, and philosophies is not at all my own style, nor is it a good match with Western Civilization. Maybe in the Orient, within Buddhism or what-have-you, such is advisable. Not here, not now, not with me. Talking to you, is like talking to a cop.
You are kidding, right? Is this your "J'Accuse" moment? World Culture = Western Civilization = Roman Empire = The Christian or Roman Catholic Church, essentially. And I happen to be an American of Italian descent or heritage, so it all works out well for me. See?
Not intending to personalize the well being of Western Civilization, now pretty much a worldwide phenomenon benefitting everyone, not just me, I will take up the gauntlet or challenge you have thrown down, to remind you that the word "Catholic" means "Universal" and the benefits flow to all, regardless of station, culture, class or geographic location. Your claim to tens or hundreds of thousands of years of your own allegedly mutually exclusive heritage and culture belies realities of history.
I am strongly against wars, all wars. You blame me and my "Crusader" heritage for "blood spilled all over the world." Excuse me, there were only three crusades, so called, two of which failed miserably, the successful crusade won at great cost to all. They were motivated by an attempt to win back Constantinople, which I recognize today as a worthy goal. The new, Enlightenment approach, is that force of arms is not the necessary stratagem. Ideas - I got plenty. I welcome yours, to a point.
I suggest the original pattern for "church" was similar to the Guru-Disciple Model of Christ,even the Apostle Paul & John counseled questioning and testing what they were told not "blind belief" as many accuse.Where the Western Church has strayed is in building Organisations rather than Disciples.
Not all "Crusaders" came from the West, what about the Mongols? according to one History of Crusades, if it was a near thing that they turned-back, otherwise the entire history of the Middle East would have been entirely different!
Many others had their interpretations/impersonations of truth but never seemed direct and uncompromising as Krishnamurti. Listening/trying to understand is one of the most difficult things to do for all of us to do. Our preconceived judgments, conditioning of another can cloud/distort our ability to grasp the simplicity and insight of what K is talking about. Indeed, we are in a crisis of consciousness.
hi i would like to know if u have ever heard OSHO ? when we search for truth in ourself and we look for some from people like K ,osho etc. there are many other aspect we have to know before we achieve the ultimate truth. sigmund freud had opened tottaly diff window to human thinking same as osho . i try to listen to them to and would also suggest(if i may) you guys to listen to them.
Yes thank you very much for your videos. I love krishnaji. I still think the audio dialogs with bohm called the (the ending of time) are truly the best. There is nothing like it.
Seastarwatcher, you have a most impressive collection of video of K. Far better than my meager collection. What you have posted here has been very valuable to me in clearing up a few things concerning K's teaching to others who do not have the time to read him in print. I wonder if you think that it is more valuable to see him rather than to read him? I've always wondered if the visual image of him would have a tendency to act as a block or if it may enhance the teaching (give potency?)
I think that there may be some who dont like to read or have the patience, and that the video is a good way to show the teachings. Also, by watching the Videos one sees Ks sincerity and passion about what he is saying, and living the truth.
Its great to spread the teachings via the Video internet Technology!
You are the happening, your surrounding. You are the past and the future here in the present.You are every single concious mind in existing experiencing itself subjectively.To put yourself in someone else's shoes, is to think and temporarily become that conciousness.There is no other,only you and the interaction with yourself.
SuperFractality 2 weeks ago
omg your not waiting anything ...u got it now....close you mind ,so to speak ..what uv been lead to believe is nothin ...its just u ..find the thought of you n you can find happiness...without the background noise of the world... its the the forgotten
FatetoAshes 1 month ago
oh i get it
FatetoAshes 1 month ago
"A boldogság melléktermék." Jiddu Krishnamurti
szeszlervera 2 months ago
This whole interview was fun. Insightful, helpful, but fun.
hootiepaladin 2 months ago
Sheer Truth all the way....The Truth that the entire worlds searches in books and institutions or cults commonly known as religionS...he presents it in such a simplistic manner...God we miss you sir!!!...You were one of the very few who traveled to the deepest core within your own self and concience!...Thank you for the video my friend...
specialops76 3 months ago
One of my favorites of all the many videos I've watched of K's talks and interviews. "Is there a psychological time...an inward time? There isn't. We have created it!" Great stuff!! Thanks for posting.
lejaz 3 months ago
Wonderful interview and very timely for the change in direction of my own journey. Thanks for posting it!
An observation here: When he's closing (or squinting) his eyes, is it that he's seeking the answers from within?
4micaman 4 months ago
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO END!?!
That was a quality interview, one of the best with Krishnamurti; that interviewer was very good. Other interviewers get tangled in their own conflicts with Krishnamurti, this interviewer is careful and apt to listen and appreciate, balancing delicately criticism and appreciation.
Clap! clap! clap!... applause.
Adeikov 6 months ago 3
This is the best 9 minutes on YouTube!!!
I wish I had heard this many years ago, but at least I have finally woken up.
Vaidisova14 7 months ago
Love it when he says he "refuses to be under pressure"-completely wonderful!!!!!!!!!
squid4104 8 months ago 2
I agree when he said we are not individuals.... We like to believe we are unique entities in our own little world that we have created in our mind that separates us from the external world but in reality the mind is the creation of the collective experiences and informations of the whole world
TheUndertakerSaysRIP 9 months ago
If anyone is curious, I just thought I'd throw this out there. A lot of people seem to have "interpretations" of Krishnamurti. I'll just let you know right now that if you have an "interpretation" of what Krishnamurti's message is, then you have it wrong.
pumitaproductions 9 months ago 2
Thank you for the video. Also interesting to see fresh questions to these issues.
omboy58 9 months ago
im now calm.
hashpuppy101 11 months ago
The interviewer asked all the right questions. K answered them perfectly. However I know sometimes I am still not aware of my actions when the situation comes and I realized it afterwards. So I think it does not come instantaneously, but with determination to have that purity and self awareness I will get there. Its so easy to indulge oneself in thoughts but I need to stop the life lead by continual thought.
simplica1 1 year ago
@simplica1 The more you witness your programmed mind operating based on thought-conciousness, you see that it's not indulgence which is brings about, it's disorder, it's confusion and it's insane.
freedomfromthemind 11 months ago
The basic idea is to SEE clearly and once you do, through inquiry, there's no way you'd allow conflict to exist in you because you'd see it for what it really is. If a snake was about to bite you, you'd simply move away, you wouldn't have to meditate on the methods in which to move away, you just would. This is how I'm interpreting it. Anthony De Mello is another great teacher.
PitchfeverAcademy 1 year ago
Krishnamurti does not profess to know the truth for you or me. He is leading us to find the truth within ourselves. The truth is,in his own words, a function of "choiceless awareness." Its is only through awareness without thought that we can psychologically transform our own consciousness and ultimately the nature of society. There is no path to the truth other than living each moment with the perception of who is doing the perceiving. When this is clear, then so is the truth.
dreambody45 1 year ago 15
@dreambody45 ... Thanks for this comment! Totally agree.
seastarwatcher 1 year ago
beautiful interview i have ever heard...........
deniz1496 1 year ago
One of the best interviews. Amazing. All the comments here make me hopeful.
xk23 1 year ago
And look at his eyes...... They actually sparkle !
aar2pee 1 year ago
@aar2pee i think thats water lol
ojr777 1 year ago
@ojr777 And that, too, divine!
aar2pee 1 year ago
I could really see K struggling with the question "How do we go about it?" Perhaps there wasn't one direct answer for that. But it struck me rather quickly that the "How" was what the Buddha had taught. And, having made myself familiar to the fundamental teachings of the Buddha, I could see the startling similarities between his and Buddha's arguments, specially the "sensitive awareness" part (who knows, maybe K had become a Buddha!). Try listening to S N Goenka and reading Vipassana literature.
aar2pee 1 year ago
Thank goodness for Levin - he is my ego, doubting, questioning, using the word "but"...His learned analytical approach really helped me see my own conceptual crutches!
robbylucien 1 year ago
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peteaston10 1 year ago
The ending was incredible!
Imgoing2LoveYou 1 year ago
awesome,thanx for uploading.
kzam717 1 year ago
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aloozer 1 year ago
I have to thank you, seastarwatcher, for posting this interview which I find myself playing every day. The combination of Levin's intelligence and tact bring out the very best of Krishnamurti.
zthetha 1 year ago
w0w, choice means confusion, if you can choose clearly then your not free.
TheWayshowerTube 1 year ago
@TheWayshowerTube
Hi, it seems to me that we only think we can choose, but in reality we are not. Because if we choose, we choose to escape pain or fear or attain pleasure or naything we perceive as positive. So we are constantly trapped in duality. We are occupied by thoughts, slave to them. only by not choosing, not preoccupying the mind with dual concepts in order to choose, we are free.
PPTubby 1 year ago
Why oh why, do krishnamurti's diaolgues frustrate people to find a path.
Seeing is doing and understanding without any questions.
fusionhar 1 year ago
1.59 "then it is not an illusion..." i must say that seemed to me a good example of freudian lapsus. Or maybe he just got confused.
cluster976 1 year ago
The Vichara self inquiry, just look at yourself, take a look at your true nature. Look up John Sherman, he explains it pretty good.
mm12122 1 year ago
We're not individuals. Can YOU feel that? I do. Thank you, Jiddu
gabrielrs18 1 year ago
i can feel it
emmerton 1 year ago
Everything just clicked. Click, click, click. I found myself laughing. I've been listening alot to Eckhart Tolle, and now I found this guy. He is so pure, it's amazing. So inspirational...
yoinkz 1 year ago 4
don't follow the herd is what he's saying which is a big part of the ego. in sum it sounds like to live within our means, but even today's means, means dual incomes to live decently.
capgains 2 years ago
Krishnamurti has made me a happy man. Even though he is long gone I thank him and his insight. I no longer hunger for anything because I know the hunger will always be there. All I do now is find solutions for my hungers and things of that type. Thank you sir I am still learning with these open talks I am learning none the less.
rosekiller123 2 years ago 4
Wonderful. Bernard Levin understood K, really. He asked the right questions, because he was not caught in awe, as so many were, because he was just natural to ask honest questions. This is a real dialogue, honest, fresh and crude.
ipublica 2 years ago 4
@ipublica He did.
paerarru 1 year ago
really great dialogue, hopefully more people will get his message
olivoch 2 years ago 5
a real teacher
Salvatorek 2 years ago 4
I'm actually speechless.
LetKnowledgeDrop 2 years ago 4
WOW this is hot stuff...
slightlymooshed 2 years ago 3
this is great - K's certainly not passive - exciting to listen to
MKUltra3 2 years ago 3
Thank you for sharing these three videos.
SupineSister 2 years ago 3
To see these eye opening comments for this video is reassuring, because people are clearing away the lies, and it may not seem like much, but this realization does and is changing the world. It changes a lot quicker when there is an instantaneous change like they discussed, but most of us are just modified slaves. We haven't fundamentally, absolutely changed and that is what's needed to be completely free.
wonderwhaz797 2 years ago 16
Dont worry about the rest... they will surely follow!
slightlymooshed 2 years ago 2
this was fantastic, some of Ks discussions with philosophers & the like are so self-indulgent on the part of one or both parties. as a westerner with many western questions bouncing around in my head while listening to K, i was thrilled to hear this discussion, i only wish it were much longer! thanks for these videos!
7upIsLove 2 years ago
Levin was very good here, a good person to be in dialogue with Krishnamurti, i wish it was longer too.
vanillabeanzz 2 years ago 6
Think about the world's so-called "leaders", and then think about this man. That's depressing.
koreankayagum 2 years ago 3
thankyou so much
paatoque 2 years ago 2
Yes indeed... I believe he was 86 when this was filmed.
cosmicjazzer 2 years ago 2
Are not ALL Cultures interdependent and the result of the interactions of Centuries?
Unfortunately our "Leaders" seem bent upon fostering discord in order to build THEIR OWN "empires".....using fear/terror/mistrust.Think of the times Cultures have been mutually enriched, these are Times of crisis AND opportunity|!
moob744 2 years ago
this great soul is trying to make all of us understand that ...have in faith in oneself and in humanity.
monikamillion 3 years ago
What do you think is meant about 'refusing to be under pressure' with regard to daily pressures? What does 'under pressure' mean?
camillaworld 3 years ago
excellent excellent questions by levin! best interview without the pschobable jargons of other interviewers. jk is getting a bit old now. thanks for the video!
mytv80 3 years ago 2
One Reason
LOVE
All Is Equal
ONEQUALREASON 3 years ago
best interview of krishnamurti i have seen thusfar
3lank 3 years ago 3
"you dont choose when you are free"..with this i have to disagree..freedom does not rids us of the will..freedom is NOT the end of the will..
capekmira 3 years ago
Will comes from the wish to chose. When you chose there´s a conflict inside. If you are at freedom there´s no conflict therefore will it´s a useless symbol because on that state of mind all is. So just be.
Sorry for my bad english capekmira.
One Reason
LOVE
All Is Equal
ONEQUALREASON 3 years ago
Your english is good enough:-) I understand what you have written. You have written it very clearly. The difference is that you are talking about human will which always tends to devide whatever there is. On the other hand God's will doesnt cause division but unity. K. talks about human will and in that he is right..
capekmira 3 years ago
You make the assumption from the get go that there is such a thing as God, but you have your God and someone over there has a different God and both of you argue who is correct. The fact of the matter is that if you are truthful to yourself and to me, you do not know and most certainly cannot prove there is such a thing as God in the first place. Interpretting K's words as pertaining to human will and not God's will,is a childish and unproductive enterprise. We know only human will, nothing more
DavieKN 2 years ago 4
Exactly. God is just a concept invented by human thought, born out of man's desperation and fumbling around in the dark. Only long tradition and acceptance makes it seem the "truth."
koreankayagum 2 years ago 13
This Krishnamurti was a brand new experience for me, a very helpful nine minutes of insight. I will have to find and read more. His ideas of time as a social construct, of science and method as somewhat limited, of insight as instantaneous, of faith as centrally important, conform with my own ideas exactly. Also, that we are a community more than a collection of individuals, very insightful observation to make in our modern, corporate, shopper's paradise world of big government nation states.
mdelcamp1 3 years ago 2
Thats your interpretation and isnt what k was pointing out in that instance.Its very difficult for a mind to listen without memory translating according to its own conditioning.
davestany 3 years ago
After Iistening to many K talks I have no doubt K has no value fo faith and/or belief.
As K would say - what it faith? Faith in what? In justice? In god?...
Nomels 3 years ago
I am Roman Catholic, Italian American of Mediterranean Culture and appreciate both Western Civilization and the Founding Fathers/Brothers of America's Age of Reason. So, when I speak of Faith, I am speaking of Faith in God Almighty, the Creator, our Father in Heaven.
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
My reasoning is that faith (in whatever - voodoo, christ, majamee...) does not prove that what you believe in does exist.
What I am saying is - I either know or don't know. If I know I don''t have to believe in it because I know something. If I don't know, then faith or belief will not show me any evidence of whatever is not known to exist. So what is god and why (if he exists) does cowardly doesn't show up? If such a supposedly intellignet being is playing games
Nomels 3 years ago
So then, to put it in other words, your "faith" is entirely in yourself and your own five senses, encapsulated within your own time period of existence and your own mortal spheres of experience, learning, intellect and application. Whatever happened to "The Big Picture"? God did "show up" in the person of His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Where have you been?
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
The Big Picture is in yourself. As K would say - you are Everything!
Nomels 3 years ago
Well, of course I would have to politely disagree with you there. Sounds like a recipe for personal or social psychosis, schizophrenia, or at best sociopathy to me. Sounds, in other words, like modern Anglo-American Corporate Capitalism. No wonder "The System Is Failing." Artificial Intelligence, Indeed!
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
That is good that you disagree. K would say - question everything, go into it, understand it...
However the terminology you use points to the aspects of your life youare woried about - psychosis, schizophrenia, sociopathy, Artificial Intelligence and Corporate Capitalism. These are the things that worry you, my friend. Not me:D
Nomels 3 years ago
When you say "either I know or I don't know" you sound to me like you are turning yourself into a single state transistor, merely one element of the CPU, a "cog in the machine" if you will. You are merely a Binary Device. Modern living, learning, accumulated knowledge and experience goes well beyond the suggested scope of your own worries, I would have to observe. Simplicity can be elegance. Or "ignorance is bliss." Why worry? Babes do not. Sorry you see fit to personalize the use of big words
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
Believing in some Voodoo spirit does not prove that Voodoo spirit exist.
It seems to me that you personalize the use of big phrases - "ignorance is bliss", "simplicity can be elegance":D
As K would say - your experience is limited, therefore your thought is limited. A thought can not resolve anything - it just creates more division.
Being woried, concerned or anxious - can one stop it? - K would say:D
Nomels 3 years ago
You just keep traveling farther afield in your responses - now namecalling "voodoo" spirit, which I assume is akin to "voodoo" economics. As for using language and thinking: Yeah, I do that, and so glad I do. To empty out your mind, thoughts and emotions, and philosophies is not at all my own style, nor is it a good match with Western Civilization. Maybe in the Orient, within Buddhism or what-have-you, such is advisable. Not here, not now, not with me. Talking to you, is like talking to a cop.
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
My question to you is then - what has Western Civilisation achieved in the field of human behaviour? :D
Nomels 3 years ago
You are kidding, right? Is this your "J'Accuse" moment? World Culture = Western Civilization = Roman Empire = The Christian or Roman Catholic Church, essentially. And I happen to be an American of Italian descent or heritage, so it all works out well for me. See?
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
And what exactly works out well for others from your "Western... Catholic... Italian".
I happen to be a human being:) I have heritage and cultural baggage of tens if not hundreds of thousands of years.
Or I should ask, how the well being of you can become a tool of assessment of achievements of Western Culture in regard to the human behaviour?:D
nostargmo 3 years ago
Not intending to personalize the well being of Western Civilization, now pretty much a worldwide phenomenon benefitting everyone, not just me, I will take up the gauntlet or challenge you have thrown down, to remind you that the word "Catholic" means "Universal" and the benefits flow to all, regardless of station, culture, class or geographic location. Your claim to tens or hundreds of thousands of years of your own allegedly mutually exclusive heritage and culture belies realities of history.
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
Apart from beautiful word or nice shell, whats is inside this universal truth.
Ooh, I remember, may be thousands of years of blood spilled all over the world by crusaders:D
...either you are with us or against us philosophy - that is just for starters:D
As K said - if people who would call themselves Christians would want to stop wars - there would be no wars in the world.
nostargmo 3 years ago
I am strongly against wars, all wars. You blame me and my "Crusader" heritage for "blood spilled all over the world." Excuse me, there were only three crusades, so called, two of which failed miserably, the successful crusade won at great cost to all. They were motivated by an attempt to win back Constantinople, which I recognize today as a worthy goal. The new, Enlightenment approach, is that force of arms is not the necessary stratagem. Ideas - I got plenty. I welcome yours, to a point.
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
Church is the only place where someone speaks to me and I do not have to answer back.
Charles de Gaulle
mdelcamp1 3 years ago
My point is?
What do you want?
When you answer it ask yourself why?
nostargmo 3 years ago
I suggest the original pattern for "church" was similar to the Guru-Disciple Model of Christ,even the Apostle Paul & John counseled questioning and testing what they were told not "blind belief" as many accuse.Where the Western Church has strayed is in building Organisations rather than Disciples.
moob744 2 years ago
Not all "Crusaders" came from the West, what about the Mongols? according to one History of Crusades, if it was a near thing that they turned-back, otherwise the entire history of the Middle East would have been entirely different!
moob744 2 years ago
With all my respect: WAKE UP BUDDY ! :D
Sweden80Here 2 years ago 2
Many others had their interpretations/impersonations of truth but never seemed direct and uncompromising as Krishnamurti. Listening/trying to understand is one of the most difficult things to do for all of us to do. Our preconceived judgments, conditioning of another can cloud/distort our ability to grasp the simplicity and insight of what K is talking about. Indeed, we are in a crisis of consciousness.
Regards Andrew (seastarwatcher). :)
seastarwatcher 3 years ago 11
hi i would like to know if u have ever heard OSHO ? when we search for truth in ourself and we look for some from people like K ,osho etc. there are many other aspect we have to know before we achieve the ultimate truth. sigmund freud had opened tottaly diff window to human thinking same as osho . i try to listen to them to and would also suggest(if i may) you guys to listen to them.
itsach 3 years ago
Achieve the ultimate truth?Thats obviously going to take time..It doesnt take time to see now with no illusions what we are.
davestany 3 years ago
Yes thank you very much for your videos. I love krishnaji. I still think the audio dialogs with bohm called the (the ending of time) are truly the best. There is nothing like it.
selfscienz 3 years ago 4
Seastarwatcher, you have a most impressive collection of video of K. Far better than my meager collection. What you have posted here has been very valuable to me in clearing up a few things concerning K's teaching to others who do not have the time to read him in print. I wonder if you think that it is more valuable to see him rather than to read him? I've always wondered if the visual image of him would have a tendency to act as a block or if it may enhance the teaching (give potency?)
fireplug111 3 years ago 9
Thank you for your comments!
I think that there may be some who dont like to read or have the patience, and that the video is a good way to show the teachings. Also, by watching the Videos one sees Ks sincerity and passion about what he is saying, and living the truth.
Its great to spread the teachings via the Video internet Technology!
Regards Andrew (seastarwatcher). :)
seastarwatcher 3 years ago 3