The Genetics Myth - Clip from Zeitgeist 3: Moving Forward

[abracadaverous]

I'm glad he addressed the topic of addiction as being about more than just drugs. Having experienced drug addiction in the past myself and been close to someone with a severe eating disorder, I could identify the signs of addiction in my friend's eating disordered behavior. When I mentioned this to her, it was like a light bulb went on over her head. When she started treating her disorder as an addiction as well as an eating disorder, things began to change for the better.

[MyMindTank]

Nurture dictates Nature.

[croncong]

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[fitnesus]

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[lupabuatchannel]

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[breedapart51229]

This whole Zeitgeist thing seems very misleading. I suggest you watch Dr. Robert Sapolsky's Stanford lectures instead.

[MrrGrave]

@breedapart51229 What do you mean with misleading? The movie talks about a lot of things other than epigenetics...

[chevyGamul]

These scientists have good genes.

[fringeelements]

This guy is deliberately misleading. A study showed that if you knocked out a gene, learning drops, and the media picked it up. His response is that in a special environment, this deficit is overcome, but doesn't say how. A kid with down syndrome can be said to "overcome" his deficit learning multiplication tables by spending 4 times as long as a normal child does. Is that what he means by "overcoming the deficit"? Don't know. It's impossibly vague.

[fringeelements]

I know a quote that's even more dangerous: "It's environmental"

Resulting in the belief that any disparities between individuals, sexes, races, or anything is a result of some cultural or some thing other than genetics, and thus can and should be worked to change.

It also results in countries like Sweden importing Africans under the assumption that "it's not genetic, these people can be made to be like us", and now they're paying the price.

[bogdanbelcea]

WoW Quote mining at its best !

[KevZen2000]

Alot of the genetics myths, has to deal with the reductionistic, Mechanistic Cartesian worldview, but not limited to. If we see biology as a machine, then such things will continue.

[KevZen2000]

I did not care for the last two Zeitgeist films, that much, as they were not made that great. The 3rd Zeitgeist is better, even though it has its faults, but the first version, which holds any merit.

[Josephjoel3]

@boogiebuddy01 Money is not the great evil. Human thinking is.

[Evilrolfharris]

@Josephjoel3 Ahhh, but Human thinking created money  ;-)

[Josephjoel3]

@Evilrolfharris So both are evil. Not in the religious sense of 'evil'. But in the sense that it is a detriment to efficiency and productivity and the disbursement of planetary surpluses fairly.

[Evilrolfharris]

@Josephjoel3 No, not inherently evil, just capable of being used for evil (selfish purposes). And selfishness is dependent upon levels of fear (existential and psychological fear rather than a physical fear of danger).

[Josephjoel3]

@Evilrolfharris That is true money is not inherently evil but neither is man. Nor is anything inherently good. We have to move away from extremes and examine EVERYTHING. Even our most cherished ideals, beliefs, and rationalizations. Money is not evil. But the systems built around it seems to perpetuate misery and dissatisfaction. I don't know what t he problem of mankind is... Maybe you can help me...

[DeltaNordicAdvance]

In large number the genetic factors are deterministic. IN small numbers there is room for nurture and environmental manipulation. The problem is a poor understanding of statistics by people that make the arguments. All it takes is a small , even minute genetic predisposition for something in a population group and when large samples of that group are taken the trend is glaringly obvious. Sapolsky knows this but for political reasons he's downplaying it.

[Elivasfq]

@DeltaNordicAdvance Are you sure? Can you give exemples?

[daBigDen]

"nothing is genetically programmed"... yeah right, totally believable

[TheMidwestsk8ter]

@daBigDen Your telling yourself to sleep at night?

[daBigDen]

@TheMidwestsk8ter

fix your logic processor. if "all things are black" is wrong it doesn' mean "all things are white" ist right. you fucking moron.

[TheMidwestsk8ter]

@daBigDen You replyied tot he wrong person.....Idiot?

[suchafool990]

what a worthless hippie commie douche

[Dagvalda]

@suchafool990 wow... just wow dude

[ZachRose88]

I can't stand the pedantic and slow delivery of this movie, but this is a well chosen clip. Sapolsky is a boss.

[RussianAssassin21]

What kind of scientific journal allow exclamation marks? Oh it's the New Yorker? Ah alright then.

I'm just astounded when laymen journalists take firm stances on scientific subjects.

[MsAgnosticatheist]

Gay people want to believe being gay is genetic, I understand why but you can't bend science to your will to comfort yourself. However, free will doesn't exist so there is no reason to feel guilty about it.

[xephyr1000]

@MsAgnosticatheist Being gay is a natural and normal condition in nature and looking at it as "abnormal" or "sinful" is counterproductive. It appears that people are not actually gay or straight but rather somewhere inbetween on a gradient scale, and that epigenetic and social environmental factors can push a person's propensity one way or another, but factually speaking we all have same-sex and opposite sex attraction, else we could not form sensual/non-sexual relationships with others.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@xephyr1000 First I am not opposed to persons who are homosexual. The only observation I would add is that in my experience "many" of the gay people I know where sexually or deeply emotionally abused before they "become" gay.

[MsAgnosticatheist]

@ForThePeopleShow There is alot of denial on the part of many gays because they like to cling to the idea of it being genetic so they don't feel guilty about it. But things are as this movie says, it's nurture and nature, and being abused in general would have a tremendous affect on anyone's sexuality later on in life. Just like people develop phobias from experiences in their lives.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@MsAgnosticatheist I couldn't have said it better myself! Your thought process and commentary are refreshing. You sound like my type of human being.

[ryan84160]

Respond to this video...  It's not about "clinging to the idea that is genetic". Its about the idea that homosexuality is not a choice, which it certainly is not.Even if it was,that's not something to feel guilty about.

There have been numerous studies that support the idea that homosexuality is biological such as chromosomal linkage studies,genetic,birth order and other studies.There is absolutely no credible evidence to back up the idea that it is caused by sexual abuse.

[MsAgnosticatheist]

@ryan84160 Nothing is a choice because our consciousness is our perception and our perception is only a window that allows us to intake information. However, sexual abuse during childhood is a big factor in homosexuality. No everyone that is abused will become gay and not every gay person was abused, it's just quite common.

[ryan84160]

@MsAgnosticatheist I very much doubt you can back up either of those statements, but I would like to hear you try so go ahead.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@MsAgnosticatheist Thanks for clearing up the link between abuse and the Common *tendency* toward homosexuality; its an influence not a determinent. However, its a stretch to state that nothing is choice, its even harder to prove. Consiousness is not just an observation window, we choose to act in certain ways, yes choice is limited but it still exists. The only way you could prove choice is not present, would be to show what IS causing our actions.

[ryan84160]

@ForThePeopleShow Unfortunately anecdotal evidence is just about useless when trying to study an entire population of people. It's like saying "the few Jews I know are all greedy".

[ForThePeopleShow]

@ryan84160 With respect, your comparison contains FLAWED logic. Characterizing a group of people based on a subjective observation; "the few Jews I know are all greedy" is not the same as referencing Actual Formative Experiences; " "many" of the gay people I know were sexually or deeply emotionally abused before they "became" gay". Look a little closer, these are not the same type of arguments, not even close.

[ryan84160]

@ForThePeopleShow When exactly did they "become" gay ? were they straight before this ?

The fact that you were referencing "actual formative experiences" is irrelevant.There are two major problems with your statement. First, the few gay people you know is an extremely small and possibly biased sample size.This is why anecdotal evidence is not taken seriously.Second, correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@ryan84160 Please explain how "experiences" are irrelevant? Let me be very clear, I'm not submiting my observation as fact of primary cause. Its simply an observation, and observation is foundational to discovery, the scientific process, and our lives in general. Perhaps abuse is one of many possible co-factors, are you completely dismissing this possibility?

[ryan84160]

@ForThePeopleShow I didn't say experiences are irrelevant. I said anecdotal evidence is irrelevant from a scientific perspective.The sample size is way way too small and biased (even if not purposely).It is almost always a generalization, and everybody suffers from cognitive bias making extremely hard to determine if correlation actually implies a cause. This is why only rigorous, repeatable, independently verified studies with large unbiased sample sizes count as evidence.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@ryan84160 One last thing, as someone who has performed scientific and technical research for the past 2 decades, I must partially differ with the last portion that " ..........large unbiased sample sizes count as evidence. " There are many documented rare conditions that have only a few cases yet they are still FULLY classified as diseases. So, large sample sizes are not always conditional for proof, but I get your point.

[ryan84160]

@ForThePeopleShow They can be classified, but when it comes to determining a cause through statistical analysis, that is gong to be much harder.

Science doesn't generally deal with proof. Especially in soft sciences like psychology. Usually the best we can hope for is some degree of certainty. If a theory explains something and it stand up to rigorous testing, over time it will generally become accepted but may never actually be proven.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@ryan84160 Agreed. I believe the term you are referring to is called "plausibility". But you're preaching to the choir, I have been a professional in science and technology for over two decades with a background in engineering. Human behavior is qualitative, hard science is quantitative therein lies the difficulty.

[riskitonme]

@ryan84160 amen

[ryan84160]

Respond to this video... " Perhaps abuse is one of many possible co-factors, are you completely dismissing this possibility?" I am certainly not dismissing it as a possibility, but so far(at least to my knowledge) there is absolutely no evidence suggesting abuse is a cause of homosexuality.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@ryan84160 Cool, I think both of us have made of our positions clear. Thanks for a respectful exchange of ideas.

[ForThePeopleShow]

@ryan84160 And yes, in all cases of women I've encountered, they were severely abused before becoming lesbian. However not all the women that were abused became lesbian.

[MsAgnosticatheist]

@xephyr1000 I agree with everything you said.

[MrHahapants]

this was the biggest waste of my time i had to watch it for a class and learned absoultely nothing 13:57 of my life ill never get back

[RussianAssassin21]

@MrHahapants Well the good news is that you've already learned this before your class or your class taught you this before you watched the video. I'm actually interested in your previous sources because I'm relatively ignorant without alternative sources of media.

[RussianAssassin21]

@MrHahapants one concept that might not be a waste of time for you is punctuation...

[ferociousgumby]

Gabor, you're groooooovy!!!

[aew782]

woowwww

[pcreator]

Bachmann/Palin 2012!

[C00lblkatheist]

The genetics argument is a modern day phrenology, erroneous and potentially dangerous

[HybridD91]

@C00lblkatheist It's dangerous because many who use that argument don't have a basic understanding of genetics. They're oblivious to the fact that genes change and aren't set in stone, environment being one of the key factors for gene mutation. It isn't an accident that most who use that argument aren't even trained in the field of genetics.

[TZMEarth]

Thank You for uploading this part, was my favorite from the film

[gotohell714]

i haven't changed my jeans in weeks! i still have the same shit in my pocket from times i don't even remember! jeans are just denim pants! let's not get crazy here!

[niriop]

When will people understand that there is a balance of nature and nurture?

[MANGOS487]

search steven pinker's blank slate video, this will give a broader look at this topic, this study is biased

[AndroidPolitician]

@MANGOS487

Well it's worth mentioning that no one in the video thinks humans are a blank slate, (which gave rise to awful things in science like behaviorism) only that their genes change or are triggered by the environment.

For instance, it's completely impossible to become depressed without any environmental triggers even if you are more predisposed to it genetically. Pinker pretty much only focuses on Twin studies to prove his point when most of these studies deal with hundreds of people.

[AndroidPolitician]

"Kelley's (1997) study showed that 100% of those violent juveniles needing complete neurological evaluations had been abused by parents or relatives, either physically or sexually. "

53% of violent repeat offenders were abused by their families.

Seriously people aren't born criminals.

[ottawadrummer]

@AndroidPolitician That's why you should be certified before having children in our society. Raise children properly and you'll have a prosperous society with healthy and happy people. We need to look ahead.

[AndroidPolitician]

@ottawadrummer

I don't think that's the solution anymore than being certified to buy tobacco, what's needed is education and prevention. 

[scarred10]

@AndroidPolitician they may be heavily predisposed genetically or even brain damaged in a discreet manner

[AndroidPolitician]

@scarred10

First part is kind of completely irrelevant since without both they wouldn't be in prison and I don't get the second part.

[zabelicious]

10 people are obviously in denial.



[MsAgnosticatheist]

Robert Sapolsky is a genius, at first i didn't agree with some of the stuff in this video, but it does make some good points. However, like any good scientist you should look to multiple sources and academic books to check out the truth. I do know Robert Sapolsky is always right, lol, his lectures are awesome on here.

[ummahzait]

My friend in England is not able to view these, why is that?!!

[TheRivetthead]

the nwo and tvp will be destroyed

[TheRivetthead]

and tvp will never be put in place

[jewlzorjay]

What is it with Zeitgeist and these Hippy looking potheads?

[TheRivetthead]

@jewlzorjay i know right they look insane

[jewlzorjay]

@TheRivetthead

Its like some crackheads decided to share their memories of being high!!

[TheRivetthead]

@jewlzorjay yeah and then they thought that crack give them the power of enlightment or some crap

[gottmovie]

Good video.

[TheRivetthead]

this is the most stupidest thing ive ever seen

[jgroves56]

@TheRivetthead i think this was the stupidest comment I've ever seen

[TheRivetthead]

@jgroves56 shut up you commie geister

[jgroves56]

@TheRivetthead lol so like you primitive minded chimps to still not comprehend what the TZM and TVP is all about even though it's been placed in front of your face and scientificaly prooven. Thats ok though, you might catch up with the advancment of our species one day. But until then, you will remain in the darkness of ignorance. Feel free to ask for the light to knowledgable free minded thinking any time you like

[TheRivetthead]

@jgroves56 listen you cock sucker i cant argue with a faggot like you and what kind shit are you teaching calling people primitive minded chimps you are a evil man and so is zeitgeist trying to push your evil globalist faciast libreal communist aggenda and you dont understand human nature

[jgroves56]

Hahaha Just like a primitive minded chimp to lash out when science takes over ignorance.

It will be ok though, when TVP is set in place you will be educated further more on the matter since I know the monetary system has done and will keep doing its damage.

Have a good day chimp (:

[TheRivetthead]

@jgroves56 tvp will never reeducate me ill educate them with a 12 guage shotgun and some throwing knives and some molotovs and home made napalm

[TheRivetthead]

@jgroves56 they cant reeducate me i dont go down without a fight ill spill tvps blood in mass

[TheRivetthead]

@jgroves56 your the chimp i will destroy tvp every single member

[Gaby64TZM]

@TheRivetthead

lol, you must be retarded

dont go shooting yourself or some political person.

moving forward, you cant do anything to stop us.

[TheRivetthead]

@Gaby64TZM i will stop you with some moltovs

[TheRivetthead]

@Gaby64TZM not for long youl be staring down my 12 guage all ill have to do is kill your leader peater joseph and that other nut

[thelion2430]

@TheRivetthead first of killing someone sounds very sick...you should go and seek help...second to you really think that this movement stops when you kill Peter ??? in every country people work to spreading awareness...we all do this voluntarily...killing peter would stop that...what you do next KILL US ALL??? ...if yes then you are really mentally ill....what is obvious...you sound like the crazy MUSLEMS with there torches and guns :D go seek help nuts

[TheRivetthead]

@thelion2430 listen zeitgeist is working for the new world order and hes an athiest he must go

[TheRivetthead]

@thelion2430 and the only good movie peter joseph zeitgeist ever made was his first zeitgeist but even that thing had many wrongs to it

[thelion2430]

@TheRivetthead the first thing you should do is to go and seek help...why are most religious people so weak in there minds...look at you...you speak about killing etc you know only violents :) i meam dude....to you really think with that attitude people will listen to you ... we dont live in the midle ages moron...and there is no invisible dady in the sky otherwise he would punish you for being a violent psycho who wants to kill his fellow human...i mean dude you are sick you really need help.

[TheRivetthead]

@Gaby64TZM yes i can just kill your leaders

[AndroidPolitician]

@TheRivetthead

"listen you cock sucker i cant argue with a faggot like you and what kind shit are you teaching calling people primitive minded chimps you are a evil man and so is zeitgeist trying to push your evil globalist faciast libreal communist aggenda and you dont understand human nature"

Memorializing this to show the kind of people that think this video is stupid.

[TheRivetthead]

@AndroidPolitician listen you anti christ worshiping bastERD ILL KILL YOU

[AndroidPolitician]

@TheRivetthead

Oh shit dude, I'm shaking in my internet boots. 

[TheRivetthead]

@AndroidPolitician we will deffeat you while your sitting on your ass im in the woods with a gun in my hand in combat boots and cameoflauge

[AndroidPolitician]

@TheRivetthead

lol whose "we" and I don't live near woods bro.

My guess is you think people are born criminals and don't like how the government makes it illegal to beat the shit out of your kids.

[TheRivetthead]

@AndroidPolitician what if i had a kid if he was bad id spank him i dont get why the dirty feds make it illegal

[AndroidPolitician]

@TheRivetthead

The only reason why your kid would be "bad" is because he doesn't know how to cope with a problem or is psychologically disturbed because of abuse. But sure, lets go back to the 1800s when people believed that you're born evil.

Plus it makes things worse in the long term and is basically just child abuse.

[TheRivetthead]

@AndroidPolitician yeah i do believe there are people born evil not evil exactly but disturbed pyscopathic and not from child abbuse just born bad just born evil

[AndroidPolitician]

@TheRivetthead

Well I hope you realize the idea of people being "born evil" or born psychologically disturbed without any environmental causes (even pre-natal) has been discredited with about a hundred years of science.

Plus that idea gave rise to things like sterilization programs in the US and authoritarian thinking in general.

[TheRivetthead]

@AndroidPolitician dude you can become an alcholic from your gene pool dumbass its proven

[AndroidPolitician]

@TheRivetthead

You're more likely to become an alcoholic based on your genes, but it's not a 100% inevitability. It takes an environmental trigger. If you even bothered to watch the video you would find this is true of almost every disease and dysfunction that exists including violence and schizophrenia etc.

I don't agree with the economic aims of the Zeitgeist movement I just like this video for disproving the myth that so many people have.

[TheRivetthead]

@AndroidPolitician i also hate your resource base econmy if owner ship is gone resouresis will depleat Ownership prevents resource depletion we need Ownership to help protect resources

[SuffocateJav90]

@TheRivetthead if everyone wants a digital camera, u would have to make one for each one of.. lets say 100 people. You would end up depleting resources instead of preserving them.

Get your ideas right man, ownership is the reason of depletion. Access eliminates depletion and makes rotation of items more efficient.

[TheRivetthead]

@AndroidPolitician if you and you communist zeitgeist friends take over many will die

[Razock123]

@TheRivetthead Communist! Fascist! Marxist! Anarchist! 'Label'! another label!

[thelion2430]

@TheRivetthead many die right now.. so dont gives use this bullshit...besides this is called apeal to emotions...you claim that many will die but you dont show how this happends ... and even if you make up some ridiculous reasons....you still have to proof your claim...just by claiming somthing you cant expect that people will beileve you...I tell you here and now that people who support TZM and the RBE...are smart...we know about logical fallacies etc...you cant win with this lame tactics

[DerangedRanger1]

While I agree that people use "human nature" as a justification for bad behavior (e.g. violence) and I also agree with the idea of changing our energy systems/basis of our economy (in movie #2), I am disappointed in the amount of bullshit in the rhetorical steps that are taken in the films because they weaken they weaken the positions I believe in! In this film, but 40 mins in they say the exact opposite: that we are preprogrammed for certain things! You can't have it both ways. Lame.

[brucegalliver]

@DerangedRanger1 Programmed for certain needs for a mentally healthy and functional human being, not programmed to behave in any particular way.

[DerangedRanger1]

@brucegalliver so the theory goes...

[DerangedRanger1]

so which is it...are we preprogrammed or are we not preprogrammed? the editor did not look at this carefully.

[brucegalliver]

@DerangedRanger1 My understanding is, that all human beings are not programmed to BEHAVE in any particular way. I think the misunderstanding here is a semantic one, not a conceptual one.

By "programmed for certain NEEDS" I understand it as, if the needs of human beings are met (needs defined as the necessary external inputs to result in good physical and mental health) then you will very much likely see the growth of a healthy human being.

Am I being clear enough?

[chikapiss]

@DerangedRanger1 i think that the clip fairly well illustrated that it is a mixture between genes and environment (mostly environment, with it activating genes or having certain genes remain dormant). I don't think you listened to this very carefully. Maybe try going back and watching it again?

[chikapiss]

@DerangedRanger1 again, they're not saying that we are preprogrammed, just merely having a predetermination, not predisposition. The two are different. For example, if you have an apple, it doesn't mean you know how to or are able to make apple cider (my apologies if that was a poor metaphor)

[DerangedRanger1]

@chikapiss Again, I don't care what you think about it. I care what the film is saying. You can think whatever you want. I am calling the film out on changing its viewpoint within the course of 40 mins.

[chikapiss]

@DerangedRanger1 I'm stating what the movie is stating. I saw this film this far in and about twenty minutes past this point, i don't recall them changing their viewpoint. If you can link me to a clip where your point would be proved, please link it. But it seems that you're ignoring the fact that you just disagree with this clip, and it's perfectly fine to do that. We can agree to disagree, you know.

[DerangedRanger1]

@chikapiss We are not even talking about the same thing, so how can we agree to disagree? Go back and read the first post that started it and you will have the answer you seek. I shouldn't have to spoon feed you this, you need to go back to the original post and ready the times, then start talking. If you don't want to do that, then we are done talking about this.

[chikapiss]

@DerangedRanger1 Which post are you speaking of? If it's the one that started our discussion, then we're talking about the same thing, the idea of genetic traits and what behaviors they cause. I seriously doubt that the movie said one thing and then 40 minutes later they said something different, as you have not illustrated that, and i've seen this movie. Your claims are horribly unsubstantiated. I'm certain that you just disagree with this film clip.

[thelion2430]

@DerangedRanger1 that we are preprogrammed for certain things! You can't have it both ways. Lame....underline the words " preprogrammed for certain things ".... but the point is that human behavor is affected by the environment....that is the point that people need to understand

[DerangedRanger1]

@thelion2430 I am not sure what you are criticizing because you have not demonstrated the ability to formulate a complete sentence. Please use proper English and maybe someone might be able to understand. Good luck and have a nice day.

[thelion2430]

@DerangedRanger1 I criticize your text what comes after #2) ....In the movie there is no opposite text

[DerangedRanger1]

@thelion2430 OK, what is the criticism? Can you put it in proper English with complete sentences and proper punctuation so it is legible please?

[thelion2430]

@DerangedRanger1 I criticized your comment "I am disappointed in the amount of bullshit in the rhetorical steps that are taken in the films because they weaken they weaken the positions I believe in! In this film, but 40 mins in they say the exact opposite: that we are preprogrammed for certain things! You can't have it both ways. Lame." there are no rhetorical steps that are taken in this film there is no bullshit..everything is explained. some people have a simple mind and cant undretsnad

[DerangedRanger1]

@thelion2430 I don't think you understand the meaning of the word rhetoric because it has been bastardized by the mainstream media. Rhetoric is a series of gestures (of various kinds -- not just movements but emphasis and word choice) set in a particular series or order (as this film has done) meant to get hold of ones emotions in order to sway opinion. I don't think you are able to criticize because you are not understanding what I am saying to begin with.

[thelion2430]

@DerangedRanger1 I think that you are not able to criticize this movie because you dont understand what those people in the movie are saying :)..note how i took your words and turind against you with the same reasoning like you did ..please ..dont try you will lose...we know about logical fallays ...about empty claims etc...it is pointless to criticize TZM or the RBE because it is based on real DATA, Facts from science and how the world works...not this wrong society that you think is normal

[MsAgnosticatheist]

@thelion2430 rAmen!

[AndroidPolitician]

@DerangedRanger1

We're pre-programmed for certain needs and if those needs are met we become functioning human beings but we are not directly pre-programmed to behave a certain way, it's not hard to understand. And it's not quite just a "theory", this is mainstream in science.

[tylershoemakeri]

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[AwesomeTurd]

gj on spreading the word

[TinyTurtie]

@szalinski comment removed?

[szalinski]

@TinyTurtie Did you see my last comment? I thought we were square.

[TinyTurtie]

@szalinski ah, yeah it's fine. What I just wanted to do was make sure that the main video got most of the views, your clip shouldn't affect anything (like you said, it will just promote it)

[PathocracyNow]

Tobacco kills people, really?? Says who?

Google 'Let's All Light Up!' & 'Aliens don't like to eat people who smoke!'

What about psychopaths that are born that way? Clearly their situation precedes their environment.

[PathocracyNow]

I should add that psychopaths are also born to wealthy loving families.

[taoninja]

@PathocracyNow I agree. From the research I have seen there are genetic psychopaths who cannot be changed. They will never learn empathy or gain a conscience no matter how much help they get or how much love we give them.