MOBILE BULLETIN - 1935GMT - 29 Nov 09

[LikeAPossum]

Forbidding minarets is not going to really harm anyone, but on the point of principle it was a stupid decision. It seems that the Swiss who care about freedom of religion just stayed home.

[tekenareuben]

U don't need to be a genius to tell who the aggressor or bully boy is.. Personally I detest repression of any kind, in this context as usual it is dressed up as promoting stability and freedom.

[tekenareuben]

jewishfan, point of correction, operation recolonise Iran for Western interest

[Jewishfan]

It's time for operation "Iranian Freedom".

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

Israel is going to finally disappear.

[xxashyy]

This whole Iran debate is about Israel's security, and ALL about Israel's security. Just like Iraq was, and everything else in that region BTW. It's more LIES by Israel and it's steppin fetchit the US government to get countries at each other throats for the benefit of the bandit state of Israel, and ONLY Israel.

[Jewishfan]

It's certainly a time to nuke Iran. World community should NOT play games with Iran.

[ragenut2112]

It's time for a two-state solution, Mr. Jew!!

[zapproowsdower]

jewishfan, you have the mind of a spoiled child.

[ajr5086]

Why isn't anyone else here get upset that a western nation is taking away rights of a religious minority, more importantly a MINORITY!

I can't even thing of a good reason to ban minarets, even. It's like token attack from right, it doesn't actually do any good for anyone, it just gets people angrier on both sides. Yes, both sides. Think about it.

[LoneRaven01]

Iran has as much of a right to nukes as Israel and Zionist controlled America.

[demon7seven]

Absolutely!!

The US likes to play favorites..

[tekenareuben]

The US is the only country in the world that has used nuclear energy to wipe out thousands of lives.

The reason why the Western world is concerned about Iran's nuclear programme is because it threatens their hegemonic control in the middle east. It has nothing to do with respect for humanity, its all about controlling the oil in the middle east.

[jtravis282]

As though if Iran has nukes that is going to stop the Western world from buying and Middle Eastern nations from selling.

Your theory is utter nonsense.

[badgeless]

Why shouldn't Iran build nuclear enrichment facilities? Nothing illegal about it.

[JuicyJuice0123]

Thats true, the only problem is that there is a chance that it can be used for a weapon of mass destruction. If it is for peacful purposes that i'm game for that, all should be allowed to have such a great power source. But bombs are bad.

[Derleiter17]

I know! It doesn't make sense why the world is getting so butt hurt about this. They're trying to power their country people with clean energy! Isn't this something we should be backing! lol

[jtravis282]

The world doesn't care if Iran uses nuclear power for energy. They worry they will also build bombs. The world worries about proliferation. But whenever the world proposes ways to do this, Iran refuses.

[demon7seven]

Then the US and other western countries must be stopped from using nuclear power as well, to be fair. Especially countries with "criminal records" in this regard such as the US..

[badgeless]

Then why isn't the world worried about Israel's undeclared nuclear weapons?

Israel refuses to even admit they've got them, forget about inspecting them.

Seems like a double standard to me.

[jtravis282]

So you are okay with Israel having nukes then, right? I mean if you are all for Iran having them. So let me hear you say it. "I am glad Israel has nukes." Go ahead say it.

[badgeless]

No one should have nuclear bombs.

If Israel has them without control or inspection why are we so upset about another country getting them? (there is no proof Iran is building bombs while Israel has 100s of them).

What nation can be considered the terrorist nation? Iran has not attacked another country in 300 yrs.

Israel? Israel maintains an illegal occupation, and uses white phosphorus to burn kids to death from the inside out.

If I was Iranian I'd want bombs for a balance of power.

[jtravis282]

The same reason the world is more comfortable if Canada has nukes than say a country like Somalia. The same reason people are more nervous that Pakistan has nukes than India. It has to do with the stability of the nation and whether their is a proliferation risk. The world is uncomfortable with Iran, they are not a stable country, the regime in control now is radical and their power is tenuous. Their rhetoric is irresponsible. The same can be said about North Korea too.

[xxashyy]

Comparing Somalia and India to Iran is sheer nonsense. The Iranians are no threat to anybody and you know it. Israel and the US have a LONG track record of bullying and aggression particularly in the middle east. Iran has not harmed a fly in decades. Stop with your LIES. Even with North Korea. When was the last time North Korea bombed innocent civilians in other nations? I can name two nations who's done that time and time again. Those two nations are Israel and the US.

[xxashyy]

Also the idea that "the world" is "uncomfortable" with Iran is more nonsense. The world is not Israel. BTW Most of the people around the world except for the corrupt governments that support the policies of Israel and the US aren't thinking about Iran. I tell you one thing if they're is a WAR started with Iran. I WILL blame the bloodthirsty war mongers like yourself for this. It is people like you that get us into these no win wars.

[jtravis282]

Is China Israel? Is Russia Israel? Is the 25 nations that voted to censure Iran Israel? Most of these countries are not friendly to Israel. Iran doesn't start shit you say? They meddle in Lebanon against the secular gov't. They meddled in Iraq until Maliki cracked down on the Sadr's militia. They cause trouble with Sunni Arab nations all across the Middle East. Ur just a f'd up liberal stuck on Bush/Cheney and neocon politics without a clue. There is a reason the UN has sanctions on them.

[xxashyy]

Like I said before most these governments that support this policy on Iran have geopolitical interests with the US and Israel. They are basically corrupt governments. The people outside the government on the other hand don't see Iran as a "threat". Actually international polls show that Israel and US are more of a threat to world peace than Iran. China and Russia do not really care about what Iran does.

[jtravis282]

The US and Britain has interests in the Middle East. Remember Iraq invaded Kuwait and disrupted oil supplies. The entire world has interests in the Middle East. As for Israel, Ahmadinejad stated Israel should be wiped off the map. This is not how a rational responsible nation should be talking and you wonder why the world is nervouse about Iran. Then there are Persians like you that demonize Israel and blame them for everything. It justifies wiping them in your sick mind.

[xxashyy]

Yeah Iraq invaded Kuwait and disrupted slant drilling oil from they're territory. Saddam warned the Kuwaiti's several times to stop this and the Kuwaiti government didn't listen. This provoked Saddam to protect his own interests. If Canada was slant drilling oil from the US territory you don't think the US government would not stop that with any means necessary after dozens of warnings? Cmon now.

[jtravis282]

Saddam claimed slant drilling, everyone knows that was a bogus claim. You can only go one mile with slant drilling. Saddam considered Kuwait part of Iraq. You come now.

[xxashyy]

The slant drilling fact what not a bogus claim. Read the NY Times article "It's Time to Think Straight About Saddam". Even if that was a "bogus" claim which it isn't its nowhere near the dozen and dozens of so called Iraqi "defectors" telling their lies about Saddam dumping babies out of incubators, killing with acid baths, etc. Also lets not forgot the US lie about Saddam trying to assassinate poppy Bush. The lie that Saddam "harbored" terrorists and so on.

[xxashyy]

Also this idea that Ahmadinejad said "Israel will be wiped off the map" is a LIE and a proven LIE by irresponsible media and government. Every scholar of pharisee proved that quote was a mistranslation over and over. LOL. And you fell for it. Lemming.

[jtravis282]

"All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his website, refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Irans most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say wipe off or wipe away is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive."

Whether meant literally, or Israel as a political entity, it's still a threat.

[xxashyy]

First you said that Ahmadinejad said that "he wants to wipe Israel off the map". Now you're saying he "referred" to wiping Israel away. It's good to get your story straight before you start to threaten a nation. He never said that quote and you know it. And like I said before Israeli officials also "referred" to wiping Gaza and the West bank away.

[jtravis282]

What Israeli official? I am sure Hamas officials say the same about Israel. Not even Netanyahu would say such a thing.

[xxashyy]

Matan Vilnai, deputy defense minister said those exact words. Reuters and the telegraph reported it. I am sure Mr.Netanyahu agrees with those statements.

[jtravis282]

What he said was still threatening language as Israel would perceive it. But you claim the Western media misinterpreted it, when IRIB translated it that way.

[xxashyy]

The exact language was misinterpreted to try and make it worst than it was. That's the point. The Israeli's are hypocrites because they made similar threatening statements toward the Palestinians.

[xxashyy]

One Israeli official I heard said that. "The more Qassam (rocket) fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger holocaust because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai told the Army Radio on Friday.

[xxashyy]

Also there have been ampule threatening statements directed at Palestinians by Israeli officials far worst than what the Iranian President supposedly said. So I guess Israel wants the Palestinians "wiped off the map" too eh?

[jtravis282]

Speaking of Palestinians, more Iranian meddling...

"PA and Fatah officials in Ramallah said on Thursday they had evidence that Iran and Syria were pushing Hamas to continue fighting Israel. Damascus and Teheran were also trying to incite the Palestinians in the West Bank against the PA leadership, they added."

[xxashyy]

If that is true. I say IF because Fatah is a stooge of Israel and the US and most Palestinians believe that now with Abbas' "leadership". If that's true. Iran is in there OWN area and as long as the US government keeps on it meddling and funding a one sided war namely Israel then you cannot complain about Iran doing the same thing with funding Hamas. Two nations are backing one side over the other. Your point?

[jtravis282]

First you say Saddam was justified to attack Kuwait something that not only the US was against, but pretty much the entire world. Including Iran and the Arab states. I mean this is what you justify. Why? Because you automatically take the side the US? Now you claim Fatah and Israel are on the same side. I think you just automatically take the anti US side no matter what.

[xxashyy]

I'm not taking the side of Saddam and never have. All I did was give the facts about why Saddam invaded Kuwait and how the US got themselves into this mess over there based on a trail lies. I haven't justified anything. But you seems to justify anything Israel does. If you haven't prove me wrong?

[xxashyy]

And you guys keep crowing about Saddams invasion of Kuwait. How many countries or nations did the US government invade after WW2? Israel a ethnoreligious nation with nuclear weapons is right now is committing war crimes against the Palestinians. Israel not too long ago started a war with Lebanon. All of this pale in comparison with Saddam's Iraq.

[jtravis282]

Who says invasion is a bad thing? Sometimes invasion is right and necessary. Saddam invading Kuwait was wrong.

So let's see. Israel leaves Gaza. Hamas starts shooting rockets into Israel. Israel warns them to stop. The Rockets continue. Over and over Israel warns Hamas to stop. And then you wonder why Israel attacks Gaza.

[xxashyy]

Uh Israel did not leave Gaza precisely why the rockets were fired. Israel still has the blockade and checkpoints there. Also Israeli aircraft is Illegally on they're airspace. Israel says this is "self defense" but this move has backfired obviously. If Israel wanted peace they would have REAL negotiation instead of pretending. Also Saddam invaded Kuwait and NOT America so the first gulf war was totally unjustified. And we see the negative fruits of that war during the 2nd Bush Administration.

[jtravis282]

I wonder why you don't mention Egypt's blockade on Gaza.

Egypt and Israel partially sealed their border crossings with Gaza, on the grounds that Fatah had fled and was no longer providing security on their side. Egypt fearing a spill-over of Hamas-style militancy into their territory assisted in the blockade.The sanctions were tightened in response to rocket attacks on southern Israel and Palestinian militant attacks on crossing points between Israel and Gaza.

[jtravis282]

Who says we can't fight on behalf of Kuwait? We helped Europe in WW2. I don't know where you get these ideas from. It's like what ever the US is for you are against, even if the US is right. Also, dozens of countries were part of the coalition in the first war against Saddam.

[xxashyy]

They only pretend to care about Iran only to please Israel's bully boy the US government. Both countries would like to have normal relations with Iran. It's all politics unfortunately. BTW where is your evidence that Iranian troops and armies invaded Lebanon, Iraq, and other mideast nations?

[xxashyy]

As for meddling, the Iranians at least are meddling within they're own mideast region. What the hell is the US and Britain doing in this region meddling? They are miles away from they're own territory. Could it be to protect Israel? Could it be that the US and Britain are putting Israel's security ahead of they own?

[xxashyy]

Then you go on about the UN. I thought you NeoCon warmongers didn't like the UN? You like UN sanctions eh? Maybe the UN should really be slapping sanctions on Israel and the US for not following International law. For the torture, targeted assassinations, and bombing innocent civilians left and right. That makes more sense than slapping unjustified sanctions on Iran.

[jtravis282]

By the way, no one ever said anything about a war with Iran. I didn't bring it up, you did. Israel never threatened Iran, it is Iran that continually threatens Israel. China and Russia are not as forceful as the US, but they do not want Iran to have nukes. By the way, France and Germany and the entire EU in general is very much against Iranian nukes. They are all doing Israel's bidding huh? You reek of antisemitism.

[xxashyy]

I will say this in my observation the western powers such as France and Germany have a more sympathetic ear to Israel than the other powers rather than the Asian and Arab nations. Probably because of the Jewish holocaust and so forth.

[xxashyy]

So they do play favorites. And naturally because you have no other arguments you pull out the ol "antisemitism" card. Sorry but that card doesn't work with me. Anyways, as for Russia not wanting Iran to have Nukes. Didn't Russia help build one of Iran's nuclear reactors recently? Like I said before. It's all politics. It has to be because Iran is NOT an aggressive war nation unlike Israel and US. If anything Israel should not have Nukes

[jtravis282]

From BBC 2008

Negative views of Israel fell over the past year from 57 percent, to 52%, while negative views of Iran's influence held steady at 54%, giving it the worst rating of the countries tested. Pakistan followed Israel with the third worst rating.

People are wising up to the Iranian lies.

[xxashyy]

If you look at international polls during the Bush Years. You will see that Israel and US negatives were a lot higher. Especially during the Israeli attack on Lebanon and Gaza. I will admit that the Iranian elections didn't help there ratings much. Also the constant drumbeat of LlES coming from the US and western media about Iran's invisible Nuclear weapons program didnt help much either.

[xxashyy]

You say no one wants a war with Iran? Cheney tried to get Bush into a war with Iran. Most of the Neocon talking heads on Fox and talk radio Ive heard say that a war is preferable than Iran getting "nukes". I believe the more this threatening rhetoric heats up and idiots like yourself back Iran into a corner they're likely MIGHT be a war. And of course this plays into Israel's favor because they would have gotten rid off yet another enemy of theirs.

[jtravis282]

Bush got rid of Iran's biggest enemies. Saddam and the Taliban. I remember when you left wing kooks were saying Bush was going to invade Iran just prior to the end of his term, then call martial law so he could stay in power. The only thing Bush ever said was all option were on the table. Something that was repeated by Sarkozy and Clinton. How u forget all the times Bush always said he wanted diplomacy.

[xxashyy]

How can you trust Bush after he lied to get us in a war with Iraq one of Israel's enemies? The objective for that war it still murky to this day. How could you even trust what Clinton says? Bush also said he didn't want a war with Saddam but his actions clearly said otherwise. There is evidence that Dick Cheney wanted Bush to go into Iran and kept pressing him. Somehow Bush had backbone enough not to listen to him after finally realizing his other failures.

[jtravis282]

Cheney did not want to invade Iran, but he did want to make strikes at military compounds inside Iran because of insurgent training, and IED's. There was never talk of an Iranian invasion like we did in Iraq. The Bush war was a neocon vision, put a pro western democracy in the ME. Saddam was an easy target because he was hated by most of his own people, and hated by most his neighbors. This is the reason for the war. WMD's were just an excuse.

[badgeless]

"strikes at military compounds inside Iran"

That's an invasion.  Don't think for a minute Iran would not respond.

[xxashyy]

Also who said I'm anti US. I want the US government to save money and lives by leaving the middle east altogether. The anti US people are the ones who want us to stay there and continue the slaughter. You were right about Cheney not wanting to invade Iran I meant to say bomb Iran. It's still war no matter how you look at it.

[jtravis282]

We are leaving the Middle East. Iraq is over, troops are coming home. Iraqis are handling their own security now, they don't need us. We'll be completely out by the end of next year. What are you complaining about?

[xxashyy]

Uh no. American troops really haven't left Iraq. We're still building permanent military bases there. Also we have a football sized embassy there. The largest embassy in the world.

[jtravis282]

Where is there a permanent military base going to be? You are wrong on this point. Also, when you say we should get out of the ME, you mean we shouldn't have any embassies there? Nothing wrong with embassies, it's part of diplomacy. This is a good thing.

Did you know France just built a military base in the United Arab Emirates? If both countries agree so what?

[jtravis282]

Just read this on Yahoo

Russia shifts stance on Iran, Ahmadinejad defiant.

MOSCOW (Reuters) Russia will join any consensus on more sanctions against Iran, a senior Russian diplomatic source said on Tuesday...It was a thinly veiled Russian warning to Iran of waning patience with its failure to allay fears it aims to develop atom bombs in secret, and hinted that Iran could no longer rely on Russia to stop tougher world action against it.

Seems Iran is losing friends.

[badgeless]

The world is "uncomfortable" with Iran because the world has been fed the same kind of lies they did about Iraq. Saddam is gone. Iraq is still occupied.

Iran has not threatened anyone, has not attacked anyone, and has repeatedly stated their nuclear program is peaceful. U.S. intelligence found Iran abandoned a nuclear bomb program early this decade.

I'm more "uncomfortable" with terrorist nations that lie their people into war such as the U.S., Britain and Israel.

[bruzcuz1]

its mainly because it is a functioning democracy.

[badgeless]

A wonderful democracy as long as you're Jewish otherwise it's an apartheid state.

If it were a democracy why not one state with one vote per person?

That would be a real democracy.

[jtravis282]

Oh I dunno, because Iran is run by a bunch of religious fundamentalist fanatics?

[zapproowsdower]

I think the irony is lost on most people. Iran is the 4th-largest oil exporter in the world, has the 3rd-largest oil reserves in the world, owes the vast majority of its economic status to its oil - yet is aggressively pursuing clean nuclear energy. Also ironic that they are becoming a very "green" nation in consequence, yet our liberal-run government is demonizing them. I love it.

[ajr5086]

You do realize that the "conservative-run" government have equally demonized Iran... actually Bush eras (both of them) went a few steps farther.

Really, Iran is just playing the crazies nuke card. The United States and Soviet Union did it for like over 40 years. It still seems to work, it appears, since negotiation ball is now in there court. If were to guess, playing up the crazy to get more sway.

[zapproowsdower]

I never implied otherwise. And your idea of them trying to scare the international community with nuclear ambition is completely baseless. There is no nuclear weapon ambition for Iran - if there is, nobody except Iran knows about it. This is about nuclear energy, a completely different ball game.

[ajr5086]

I don't think me assumption is that baseless, if one would look to Iran's foreign policy. Not that death to American/Israel stuff, but not joining in many of the international initiative while keeping a say in those international initiatives. Right now it's with oil, an economic policy tool, but that's not going to last with new goals of US and such trying to get off of foreign oil. So next possible was scary them with nuclear ambitions. They don't want to make a nuke, they want to scary people.

[ajr5086]

To continue on the nuclear weapon idea, I do not think that Iran wants to make a nuke in actuality. It's just about the fear of them making a nuke. They might make a few nuclear power plants, and that would nice for their people and all, but Iran's ruling powers don't give a rats ass about what the people want or truly enjoy.

You don't know the effectiveness of the crazy nuke card. It works, it fueled the Cold War for 40 years and it kept the Soviets afloat for decades before they fucked it up.