I'm glad that most people are Casual Christians. Should these Christians really believe in what is written in the bible, they would be out on the streets everyday screaming fanatically that you should repent or suffer eternal hellfire.
Sometimes I feel like I can even understand fundamentalist christians better than casual christians. They are the WORST. And they are everywhere. They do not think for a second what they are doing & supporting. At least the "true" christians are thinking, or something.
I wouldn't be so condescending regarding people's beliefs. Most people just believe in Jesus the way you go along with whatever secular movement doesn't land on your desktop. You act like you vet everything that is directly and indirectly attached to your being. I agree with the issues you raise, but casualness nor militance is exclusive to religion.
@eskayp101 There's nothing condescending about telling it like it is. I don't know what you mean by assuming I just "go along with whatever secular movement doesn't just land on your desktop." Nor do I know what you mean by saying I act like I "vet everything" attached to my being. If you consider me militant for publicly stating my opinion, you're way off.
It just seems like you're attacking casual Christians for a basic belief in a possible God, who may transcend a book of truths, proverbs, atrocities, and contridictions. The parallel is like saying you believe in American values, therefore you indirectly support all wars and all American endeavors. We assess things according to our personal value system. Can you say that you endorse all of the inputs and processes used in many of the things you casually agree to?
@eskayp101 I'm not attacking anyone in this video. I'm pointing out that it's their responsibility to actually be familiar with the religion they claim to adhere to, and that if there are parts they disagree with, then they should make those disagreements clear. "American values" refers to things most people in America consider important, not what an their government does. Bad analogy. However, I give the same advice for those who disagree with their government to make their disagreements clear.
The Reverend Geraint ap lorwert, rector of the St Peter ad Vincula Church in Pennal, Wales, began re-reading the Bible in Lent and was "gobsmacked" by the cruelty that he found within. So he cut out the "nasty bits" and displayed them on what he calls "the wall of shame."
He also included whatever good bits he could find, burning the remaining scraps as a testament to the "cruel and vile God" of the Bible.
See what happens when they actually READ the thing and not obsess over a few verses?
Yes you got it up to were you say that Christians now should live by the old testament you don't know your bible I can tell you are not a Christian because when Jesus died he died so we can be forgiven of our sins, we have a substitute now If a man brakes the law before Jesus died, he was to be judge by the law witch is the penalty of sin is death But since Jesus died we have forgiveness to any man that wants it
@prittydeb A. I'm glad Christians don't actually live by the laws that their book tells them to, but if they're going to preach the 10 commandments and other things from the old testament based on God's commands, I don't want them telling me the things from the old test. we now recognize as absurd no longer apply. I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist- and I have a video called "John 3:16" that addresses the last bit of bullshit in your comment.
Okay, but what about the people before Jesus? If god was loving, why would he knowingly put humans in a world and create heaven and hell and knowing damn right the humans are going to sin and go to hell until he did his Jesus bs and yadayadayada.
Your telling me that before Jesus, "God" knowingly screwed over the people before him. Intriguing.
BTW, I went to a Christian pre-seminary college to become a Lutheran minister and you are SO right about reading the bible. I couldn't even get past a Hebrew translation exercise of Genesis 1 without my faith erroding. Exodus and Leviticus... forget about it... brutal, bloody, bronze-age bullshit.
@dewey4evur God did it. The view count is ungraspable for you since His ways are mysterious and You could never understand it. You just have to have faith. And I´m right on this, because You can´t prove I´m wrong!
God damn casual christians! I say we get a good ol' angry mob together and KILL EM' ALL!
haha...I'm just playin...I'm kinda drunk and bored so I'm fart assin aboot all over you tube.
=D PEACE bitches!
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I once told a christian that I was going to read the bible. He replied that if i read the bible I should not read it like a book. He never really told me how I was supposed to read the book in any manner other than the way I read any other book but I think he meant that I was to turn off my intellect and blindly believe every word! I have almost finished the old testament and am thinking in opening a straight jacket company for I am sure christians are all nuts.
This is an excellent video. The number of ACTUAL Christians in the U.S. is much lower than what the polls say. The problem is that Atheism has too much negative publicity and people are misinformed about it. My early life I was raised a Catholic and labeled myself a Catholic only because that's all I knew, I had no idea there was an alternative of nonexistence of a god. And many try and make Atheism out to be like a devil worshiping religion or something. All it takes is some proper education.
Reminds me of Bart Erhman talking about asking his Christian students if they believed the Bible was the word of God. They all said they did. He then asked them if they had read the whole thing. Almost none did.
So he said something along the lines of: "So, the all-powerful God of the universe Himself wrote a book, but you never thought it was worth reading... Huh."
grappling, totaly nailed that. i think many atheists have thought about this,yet wording it is another thing. . such a video will hopefully open the door to those partime christians that when presented with the idea of critical thinking/skeptisism/reasoning, we can win over a very large majority.i personally believe, we should be standing outside churchs with leaflets that encourage critical thinking and encourage the kids to think critically. the young are the key to a more civil world.
the only problem is, chances are few or no casual christians will ever see this because most casual christians don't bother to waste their time looking up christian videos on youtube, so therefore most likely never run into atheism.
Hopefully though anybody with casual christian freinds and family will send this video along.
@Ellipser Fuck you and your threats of invisible boogeymen. NDE's are nothing more than failing brain activity. There are no more demons, then there are fairies, pixies of Santa Claus.
@GrapplingIgnorance I ws disgusted on Easter Sun. I never saw so many ppl at my church. Ppl dressed up in their suits, w/their kids all dressed up, sitting their crying and shouting "Amen!" I sat their thinking to myself, "where were these ppl last Sun?Where will they be nxt Sun? Guess Jesus will see thm back in action nxt Easter Sun huh?" The real thng tht got to me ws the stupid flyer about the Easter egg hunt after service. Then I thought, "why am I at a Church tht celebrates a Pagan holiday?
really well put together video, i've oftenly suggested that the more casual believers actually should take the time and read there holybook. but im guessing most of them never get around of doing that though.
@jullukka Yes- and you'd think that it would me much higher on their priority list than the things they're doing when they aren't "getting around" to reading the book which they feel determines the workings of the universe and instructs their eternal destiny.
@GrapplingIgnorance that is exactly what seems abit strange to me when talking to people who identify them selfs as christians, i would imagine if you belong to a religion or even somesort of movement you would have some interest in learning what the dogma of that perticular religion actually teaches.
@Ellipser What on earth are you talking about. I'm non of the things you suggested in the first line of your comment, and the rest of your comment failed to explain why you'd assume I was. I'm a hetero-sexual atheist, not a Jew, homosexual, or helper of Satan (hint- satan ISN'T real). If I was gay, or Jewish, however, the points I make here would be just as valid. If you think otherwise, then please explain yourself.
Always dragging out the Old Testament and the Law of Moses as if it still applies to the present day. Maybe you need to go back and read the bible. Those laws were strictly given to a specific people who were not Christians at the time because Christ had not come but were necessary in order for Christ to come. When the Messiah did come, the old law was fulfilled, it went away and humanity entered the Age of Grace where he who is without sin may cast the first stone.
@cybrotius Golly, it sure is convenient how God, who's all knowing and all loving just changed his mind like that do to sending his son at some arbitrary time. So for example, in the old testament it states to put believers of other religions to death by your own hand. Did believers of other religions deserve that before Christ was born, but the ones after Christ arrived didn't deserve it any more? Also, why do Christians still point to the things they like about the old testament?
@cybrotius "Always dragging out the Old Testament and the Law of Moses as if it still applies to the present day." Moses did not make up that law. GOD supposedly gave it to him. And, is Jesus god, or not? If Jesus is god, then his message contradicts the Old Testament by "God is unchanging. All of his commandments and STATUTES stand until the end of time." On the flipside, if Jesus was not god or the son of god, he was just a liar. Either way you look at it, something is fishy.
@MrDatoMike No, that's not bad. Agnostic vs gnostic only means that you claim to not know or to know. Atheist vs theist refers to if you don't believe in God or you do. I am an agnostic atheist.
@MunkyDrag0n Extreme Anti-theistic atheists yell at you on youtube and possibly capitalize their letters. Extreme theists pickett peoples funerals saying that their "Burning in hell right now" (Westboro baptists check them out) and also fly planes into buildings, so I say better to be a "Pious" atheist.
@MunkyDrag0n I will consider C.H. and other anti theists extreme when they massacre people in the name of their atheism, until then, extremism is on the side of theists.
@GrapplingIgnorance People often refer to the Gospels as a sign of improvment, but then either Paul or John says that loving your neighbor and stuff only applies to Christians. So based on that they're the same, but then the NT becomes worse with Hell.
Casual Christians, Muslims, and Jews, give cover to the actions of fundamentalists. They give the appearance of a collective mass behind these "extremists' due to their inability to keep their own hoses clean. The truth is the problem with religious fundamentalists, is not their extremity, it is the FUNDAMENTALS OF THEIR RELIGION. The simple fact is Abrahamic religions are not religions of peace or blueprints for a better way to get along with others! Look closely, they all have bloody hands.
You speak truth. Funny thing, when I read the whole bible cover to cover as a child, it brought up a LOT of questions for me. When I started asking the preacher those questions, he told me "The devil is putting thoughts in your head. You have to fight him and pray." The irony is I might have still trusted the veracity of the bible had I not taken the time to read it. Meanwhile, Christians who don't recognize their own scriptures when I quote them think I'm the one who needs to "hear the word."
@GrapplingIgnorance No not really, it means you think it's impossible to find out if there is a god or not, but anyhow the people I know who call themselves agnostics think that one god is more plausible than the next. It was Badly phrased question and I apologize, I simply wonderd if he had any particular god he heard of that he thought to be plausible.
I know many church leaders stopped believing in their religion but continue in it because its a job, and maybe in some subtle way they hope to lessen the impact of the more damaging aspects of their faith. I know this from discussions I had while in seminary, and the choices I had to make. Ultimately I left before finishing because I couldn't just fake it, even though it cost me dearly to abandon Christianity. Now 20 years later, so very glad I left, even if I die a destitute poet.
Excellent, we need to encourage Christians to read their Bible. The more that do the less "Casual Christians" there would be.
I'm not really interested in a numbers game, I'm happy to be a minority in regards to my Atheism but it would help re-address the balance and hopefully stop some of the injustices carried out in the name of religion.
i got in an argument with my christian father today about me looking/acting/thinking differently than tge majority of our society. he called me rebellious, i asked him why he didnt take me out on the edge of town and stone me to death, he told me to stop not making sense. somebody hasnt been reading his bible.. (or anything else, for that matter..)
@oldcomic1 On the base level, I don't mind them either, as they usually are not guilty of the worse things their more extreme counterparts are, as I stated in the video. However, as I also stated in the video, by not taking a stand against those extremists, they give more power to the extremist's voices.
"How to seperate what you do believe from what you don't"
Well technically the Bible isn't a book. It's 66-72 books (depending on your version) written by 40+ men, edited many, many, many, times. And every respectable Christian should admit that.
@ProtoMario People are dumb in general. It's more accurate to say there are smart people in all (or most) groups, with the rest stupid, rather than the other way around.
cause they have no self worth. Voting against women's reproductive rights and marriage rights, claiming America as gods country justifying genocide over middle eastern countries... Religion is a virus
@ thekenterry religion is bad and harmful, telling children they are sinful from birth and that a man had to be tortured to save them from eternal burning is child abuse and stunts mental growth. Refusing to teach accurate science, teaching abstinence leads to teen pregnancy and starts families to young and leaves those young parents raising children uneducated and fearful making them dependent on faith
God cant be the all knowing and perfect being in the universe. If he did exist and was, he would have chosen writers that didnt suck to be his prophets.
In the past, I've called them "Shrug Your Shoulder" Christians. They think about their "religion" only in their facebook "religion status" or when they are asked, however, they don't really know whats in the Bible. Most of them don't even agree with a lot of the Bible, but they wouldn't know that, because they don't read it. I'm having my boyfriend watch this video. He is one of these.
There are many skeptics who think it's okay to reconcile Christianity with science. This frustrates me. They are less bothered by moderates than they are by fundamentalists when I merely see them as opposite roads to stupid. Most of my friends fall in to this category. They refuse to talk on it seriously, but it isn't long before they post on FB how we should all thank God for our blessings. These people are bright, 1 step away from not indoctrinating their children; they are who we must reach.
@ArcasDevlin I agree that it makes more sense to turn away from the extremists who are committed to die before they can have their minds changed and at least devote a significant amount of attention to the practical fence-sitters.
Reading the bible may very well be the most effective deconversion tool there is. It would seem hard to say, 'I believe in Christianity and the bible.', when one relizes that is the same thing as saying, 'I believe in talking donkeys and snakes, unicorns, that fruit bearing trees grew before there was a sun, and that Dinosaurs lived on the flat earth with men just like in the Flintstones.'
I agree with you, I'm from Quebec Canada and there's basically no more ''creationists'' here .. People are pretty educated and, for the most part, no longer religious at all. Yet, 77% identify as christians ... 90% of them are just not .. It sucks that people dont realize the impact of only ''identifying'' as christian..
Your point about alowing the religious establishments to use those stats is just ridiculous .. The good thing is that religion is definitly on it's last breaths...
@659851 It's easier to have that kind of hope and confidence living in Quebec than it does to have it when you're living in the rural south of the USA.
I re-read my comment, I ment that your point was very good about the impact of ''indentifying'' as christian when your really not... I hope you understood...
I watch some of the '' atheist comunity'' videos and I often feel very lucky to live in an environment where this is not much of an issue anymore ... The main reason for that i believe is education and I know it's the front you decided to work on. I know that people like you will make a huge diference.
I hate the Christians who dismiss ideas and interpretations that I present from the Bible with "you're an atheist, so your interpretations are automatically wrong." It's the very definition of an ad hominem. If my point were raised by a Christian, you wouldn't dismiss it out of hand like this.
@puellanivis Next time that happens and the same said Christian talks of science tell them "you're not a scientist and therefore you're wrong" see how they take it.
@yuriatayde Your 1st sentence is not supported by the rest of your comment. Why should I consider a baptism as anything other than a dipping or splashing of water? Also, when did I say that bible reading is a positive activity? I think that it's essential to read the damn thing if you're going to go around claiming it as the in inerrant work of your God, lest you be ignorant about the devices of your own promotion. That doesn't mean it's a good book.
@CeaselesslyCurious Well this wasn't filmed at my place. I'm staying with family at the moment. My place (especially my room where I shoot videos) is kept disparately baron so my background doesn't distract from my message.
oh, I love this video soooo much! I can't wait to send it to a few moderate theist I recently had a discussion with on their weak/lacking conviction. i sure hope a lot of casual christians view this video and be open to the bold questions you ask of them.
I for one don't feel like religion is a bad thing, if sheeps don't have a shepard bad things happen. I wish they would cut the bullshit and realize evolution is the best answer we have instead of a mythical being zapping things into existance; but that is the only thing that pisses me off. As far as what they do, it's harmless. It's ignorant to say religion is exclusively bad, and that comment is directed to some people below, not the uploader. Let them think someone loves them, it's nice.
@TheKenTerry Evolution is not an explanation for the existence of life, nor does it substitute religion. Evolution only explains how life has changed, and plenty of denominations have accepted that without shedding any of the harmful or potentially harmful things about their religions.
Maybe I think this because I tend to follow the stoic way of life, but religion isn't harmful or bad, it's how the person takes it. I also didn't intend to say evolution is creation, I was talking about how humans came to existance; we believe evolution did it while they believe God used dust and a man's rib.
@TheKenTerry It depends on what you mean by "we" and what you mean by "did it." Not all atheists accept evolution, and evolution in and of itself does not explain the origin of life. The most plausible scientific explanation for that is abiogenesis. It's important to word these things carefully so you don't overgeneralize, or misrepresent a group of people's "beliefs." See my video called "The Origins Argument."
Semantics. I mean't "we" as in the people who accept evolution, and by "did it" I mean evolution is the event that happend differing us from the other ape families with supreme intelligence allowing for a wider range of emotions and functions. You are right though, someone could take those words and overgeneralize. If we evolve telepathy, this argument would never happen. That video sounds interesting, i'll watch it right now.
having grown up in a non-religious family (but not atheist or secular humanist) i have never read and can never see my self reading the bible. with that said i dont get into religious conversations cause i dont have that back ground but then i am not the target for this video.
@SkeptikSnarf Correct sir- I don't recommend it. There are plenty other works of historical fiction that are MUCH more entertaining and less grotesque.
@rytheguy66 Hi there, well... you can post this video on your facebook if you have one or just send the link via email to any casual christians you know.
you know, I heard Christians all the time claim they've read the bible cover to cover, multiple times some claim, then you tell them one of the less nice passages and they get all confused like they've never heard it before.
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Im sad to see so many atheists on youtube, have such a negative distorted image of the christian God. however i do understand people who are brought up with faith, and never have committed to it themselves, needs to "break free" of it, to find their own way. I believe youve made some valid points here, in that regard.
However for the "semi-believers" tilting one way or the other: they know theres 2 options. God or non-god. They dont need atheists to convert them, or christians to do the same.
@SorenGoldberg Distorted negative image of the Christian god? Have you READ the Bible? It's really -hard- to say something insulting about the Christian god that -isn't- supported by what's written -in- the Bible. Yahweh IS an intolerant, genocidal, misogynistic, brutal control freak. About the only thing he isn't is a paedophile, though he's got no problem being a child murderer, which is arguably worse.
@SorenGoldberg I think they should be open to hear the arguments for both sides. You also don't "convert" to atheism. Disbelief isn't something one converts to.
@SorenGoldberg Your profile says Denmark, I think if you lived in the USA you might have a clearer view grapplings perspective.
"they know theres 2 options. God or non-god."
Do they? No one explained that to me as a child. No one explained to me that more then 1/20 of the country simply didn't believe in god. Its hard to deconvert if you think you're the only one. I didn't know any other atheists till high school. If certain teachers found out you didn't believe you'd get lower grades.
@SorenGoldberg Distsorted? So did your God not murder the entire populace of the planet, command the slaughter of hole cities, promote slavery, genocide, rape, etc? Does he not punish a faithless man who is kind to all while rewarding a man who is cruel but has faith?
There's nothing "distorted" simply facts in the bible that are abhorrent to anyone that actually bothers to read it and be honest about it's content. All of these, however, are irrelevant to a lack of belief.
@SorenGoldberg : And its sad that "christians" dont read their bible. If they did, they would see how disqusting and stupid that book is, and how horrible demented monster is the god that they were lied about.
@SorenGoldberg hold on does that mean us atheists dont need you christians converting us at our doors, in our schools, or in front of our supermarkets?
@SorenGoldberg It's sad to see people with your viewpoint. Imagine a bunch of your friends, coworkers, etc still believed that the sun revolved around the Earth. Now to make it more ridiculous, imagine that their view of the sun revolving around Earth also told individuals whether or not they can get married, took the rights away from women, etc. Also, there are WAY more options than "god or non-God." And some DO need help to find what is right. Just like I did and many other youtubers.
@SorenGoldberg It isn't just two options, however. For you it's indeed the question if they believe in YOUR god, or not. But seeing the number of religions and denominations, it is, or should be, easy to see that it is NOT just a yes or no question
You have an atheistic view towards all other religions. I just go one further: YOUR religion. Now ask yourself: why don't I believe in those other religions? Isn't it just a case of 'mine already feels good'?
@SorenGoldberg You know, I read the bible. Lots of people did. We found Yahweh lacking; He orders and carries out murder, is easily angered, decided to kill himself to give to himself for "sin"....And then I realize we give too much credit to deities in general. They aren't all powerful beings, as we hope them to be, but forces and powers personified. Leaving Christianity took me on the journey to Animism, and I am content with this choice. I suggest you look about as well.
to me, moderate religious people are more annoying than fundamentalists, and are the only religious people truly worthy of being labeled willfully ignorant. they reject or ignore nearly all of the basis of their religion, and some of them even believe in evolution and the big bang. yet for some reason many of them chose to remain on the as they are, even though they are essentially on the precipice of becoming atheists, free from the burden of fear from a non existent deity. it's frustrating.
@tehloserisyou Plenty of creationists have had evolution carefully explained to them, and had their straw men politely pointed out, yet refuse to accept the new information and move forward. THAT is willfully ignorant and frustrating as well.
@GrapplingIgnorance That's true, but there's a clear dividing line. At least most of the fundamentalists truly believe everything about their religion and holy book. To them, evolution is obviously not true, and they reference their bible to disprove it. But some moderates actually reject the very makeup of their religion, and believe in evolution and other evidence. What makes them more willfully ignorant, at least to me, is that there's nothing there to keep them believing but they do anyway.
@GrapplingIgnorance nah it's more frustrating if you're the one who converted your parents when you're a lil kid and now that you're grown up and have seen reason, gets scolded by your parents for being an atheist...
@GrapplingIgnorance "Plenty of creationists have had evolution carefully explained to them, and had their straw men politely pointed out, yet refuse to accept the new information and move forward. THAT is willfully ignorant and frustrating as well." Indeed. These are the likes of Eric Hovind and Ray Comfort. If the evidence contradicts scripture, even if it's TANGIBLE or obvious, they will dismiss it.
I'm glad that most people are Casual Christians. Should these Christians really believe in what is written in the bible, they would be out on the streets everyday screaming fanatically that you should repent or suffer eternal hellfire.
nandatebayo666 6 days ago
Sometimes I feel like I can even understand fundamentalist christians better than casual christians. They are the WORST. And they are everywhere. They do not think for a second what they are doing & supporting. At least the "true" christians are thinking, or something.
tontsa911 1 month ago
I wouldn't be so condescending regarding people's beliefs. Most people just believe in Jesus the way you go along with whatever secular movement doesn't land on your desktop. You act like you vet everything that is directly and indirectly attached to your being. I agree with the issues you raise, but casualness nor militance is exclusive to religion.
eskayp101 5 months ago
@eskayp101 There's nothing condescending about telling it like it is. I don't know what you mean by assuming I just "go along with whatever secular movement doesn't just land on your desktop." Nor do I know what you mean by saying I act like I "vet everything" attached to my being. If you consider me militant for publicly stating my opinion, you're way off.
GrapplingIgnorance 5 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
It just seems like you're attacking casual Christians for a basic belief in a possible God, who may transcend a book of truths, proverbs, atrocities, and contridictions. The parallel is like saying you believe in American values, therefore you indirectly support all wars and all American endeavors. We assess things according to our personal value system. Can you say that you endorse all of the inputs and processes used in many of the things you casually agree to?
eskayp101 5 months ago
@eskayp101 I'm not attacking anyone in this video. I'm pointing out that it's their responsibility to actually be familiar with the religion they claim to adhere to, and that if there are parts they disagree with, then they should make those disagreements clear. "American values" refers to things most people in America consider important, not what an their government does. Bad analogy. However, I give the same advice for those who disagree with their government to make their disagreements clear.
GrapplingIgnorance 5 months ago
<3
SturFriedBrains 5 months ago
oh god, this video is so susceptible to trolling, I almost did it
mynameaborat993 6 months ago
At last! Someone else who finds the Bible tedious.
GodPatrol 7 months ago
I love it that he tells it like it is...I doubt that any politically-correct (literal) bible nut will be able to handle it.
davemelnick 7 months ago
The Reverend Geraint ap lorwert, rector of the St Peter ad Vincula Church in Pennal, Wales, began re-reading the Bible in Lent and was "gobsmacked" by the cruelty that he found within. So he cut out the "nasty bits" and displayed them on what he calls "the wall of shame."
He also included whatever good bits he could find, burning the remaining scraps as a testament to the "cruel and vile God" of the Bible.
See what happens when they actually READ the thing and not obsess over a few verses?
choongd 7 months ago
Yes you got it up to were you say that Christians now should live by the old testament you don't know your bible I can tell you are not a Christian because when Jesus died he died so we can be forgiven of our sins, we have a substitute now If a man brakes the law before Jesus died, he was to be judge by the law witch is the penalty of sin is death But since Jesus died we have forgiveness to any man that wants it
prittydeb 7 months ago
@prittydeb A. I'm glad Christians don't actually live by the laws that their book tells them to, but if they're going to preach the 10 commandments and other things from the old testament based on God's commands, I don't want them telling me the things from the old test. we now recognize as absurd no longer apply. I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist- and I have a video called "John 3:16" that addresses the last bit of bullshit in your comment.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@prittydeb
Okay, but what about the people before Jesus? If god was loving, why would he knowingly put humans in a world and create heaven and hell and knowing damn right the humans are going to sin and go to hell until he did his Jesus bs and yadayadayada.
Your telling me that before Jesus, "God" knowingly screwed over the people before him. Intriguing.
demoloader12 2 months ago
Another fantastic vid!
Thanks GI.
BTW, I went to a Christian pre-seminary college to become a Lutheran minister and you are SO right about reading the bible. I couldn't even get past a Hebrew translation exercise of Genesis 1 without my faith erroding. Exodus and Leviticus... forget about it... brutal, bloody, bronze-age bullshit.
Qillz 7 months ago
casual Christians suck
welcome to the department of opposition
OppositionDept 7 months ago in playlist Grappling ignorance
Do we ever get to see your face lol? Anyways great video.
lordyjabujabu15 7 months ago
@lordyjabujabu15 My face is irrelevant to what I have to say.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I do realize that and i support and appreciate what you have to say. It was merely a joke.
lordyjabujabu15 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance That should be V's tagline xD
DeathnoteBB 6 months ago
In the US, saying "I'm Christian" means good and "I'm atheist" is perceived as evil.
A lot of sniveling backstabbing selfish jerkoffs hide behind "I'm a Christian" and think that outweighs or justifies their behavior.
I can't put my finger on it, but I think it's many of the same people who jump on the bandwagon during the playoffs for the team that's going to win.
bb1134 7 months ago 3
I'm the seven hundredth person to like this video, but only the five hundred seventy-fifth person to watch it. I'm confused.
P.S. In response to your video: I KNEW I wasn't the only person that noticed that. Thank You!
dewey4evur 7 months ago
@dewey4evur Youtube's view count has been on the fritz all week.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@dewey4evur God did it. The view count is ungraspable for you since His ways are mysterious and You could never understand it. You just have to have faith. And I´m right on this, because You can´t prove I´m wrong!
danielerikskold 7 months ago
every casual christian should watch this. very well put.
CircusOfBedlam 7 months ago
God damn casual christians! I say we get a good ol' angry mob together and KILL EM' ALL!
haha...I'm just playin...I'm kinda drunk and bored so I'm fart assin aboot all over you tube.
=D PEACE bitches!
OH! Everyone should "debate" EvolvedAtheist1 about gay rights. He's the guy who calls TAE (if you know what TAE is) talkin all kinds of crazy nonsense about gay people. He's so fun to "debate" with. Send him a PM. It's so funny!
Zentz29 7 months ago
I once told a christian that I was going to read the bible. He replied that if i read the bible I should not read it like a book. He never really told me how I was supposed to read the book in any manner other than the way I read any other book but I think he meant that I was to turn off my intellect and blindly believe every word! I have almost finished the old testament and am thinking in opening a straight jacket company for I am sure christians are all nuts.
larsonb33 7 months ago 2
This is an excellent video. The number of ACTUAL Christians in the U.S. is much lower than what the polls say. The problem is that Atheism has too much negative publicity and people are misinformed about it. My early life I was raised a Catholic and labeled myself a Catholic only because that's all I knew, I had no idea there was an alternative of nonexistence of a god. And many try and make Atheism out to be like a devil worshiping religion or something. All it takes is some proper education.
RRV85 7 months ago 22
@RRV85 Bingo!
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago 3
Reminds me of Bart Erhman talking about asking his Christian students if they believed the Bible was the word of God. They all said they did. He then asked them if they had read the whole thing. Almost none did.
So he said something along the lines of: "So, the all-powerful God of the universe Himself wrote a book, but you never thought it was worth reading... Huh."
bowlsallbroken 7 months ago
you have the voice of a god :p
JTrizzleFizzle 7 months ago
I used to be Christian mainly because I thought you didn't have a choice. But then I got older than 8.
ProfessorMacintosh 7 months ago
grappling, totaly nailed that. i think many atheists have thought about this,yet wording it is another thing. . such a video will hopefully open the door to those partime christians that when presented with the idea of critical thinking/skeptisism/reasoning, we can win over a very large majority.i personally believe, we should be standing outside churchs with leaflets that encourage critical thinking and encourage the kids to think critically. the young are the key to a more civil world.
kram83au 7 months ago
yes please christians read the bible why is it more atheist read the bible than christians
brianhar100 7 months ago
the only problem is, chances are few or no casual christians will ever see this because most casual christians don't bother to waste their time looking up christian videos on youtube, so therefore most likely never run into atheism.
Hopefully though anybody with casual christian freinds and family will send this video along.
AtheisticTeenager 7 months ago
Oh god, the LSD must be kicking in
fonkymaster 7 months ago 2
Stop hiding.
Ellipser 7 months ago
Demons and fallen spirits love athiests the most. Why? Do they taste sweeter?
But don't take my word for it on the reasons why, Howard Storm (had a NDE) found his demons waiting around licking their lips.
Ellipser 7 months ago
@Ellipser Fuck you and your threats of invisible boogeymen. NDE's are nothing more than failing brain activity. There are no more demons, then there are fairies, pixies of Santa Claus.
216trixie 7 months ago
@Ellipser That's sexy.
Thor22289 7 months ago
I read the bible, that's why I'm a Atheist now.
morgannicgregor 7 months ago 36
I am clearly not a christian
sambalbadjak 7 months ago
Right on the money GI. Your videos are very well thought out and topical. Cant wait for more!
78XT500 7 months ago
@78XT500 Thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying them.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I ws disgusted on Easter Sun. I never saw so many ppl at my church. Ppl dressed up in their suits, w/their kids all dressed up, sitting their crying and shouting "Amen!" I sat their thinking to myself, "where were these ppl last Sun?Where will they be nxt Sun? Guess Jesus will see thm back in action nxt Easter Sun huh?" The real thng tht got to me ws the stupid flyer about the Easter egg hunt after service. Then I thought, "why am I at a Church tht celebrates a Pagan holiday?
SuperDonster 7 months ago
really well put together video, i've oftenly suggested that the more casual believers actually should take the time and read there holybook. but im guessing most of them never get around of doing that though.
jullukka 7 months ago
@jullukka Yes- and you'd think that it would me much higher on their priority list than the things they're doing when they aren't "getting around" to reading the book which they feel determines the workings of the universe and instructs their eternal destiny.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance that is exactly what seems abit strange to me when talking to people who identify them selfs as christians, i would imagine if you belong to a religion or even somesort of movement you would have some interest in learning what the dogma of that perticular religion actually teaches.
jullukka 7 months ago
Well said
thernr 7 months ago
you dumb lying fool,homosexuality is an abomination,a crime so vile,it cannot be named, sodomy, peccatum illud horribile,
bolabus 7 months ago
@bolabus I trust you're trolling? If you're not, please explain why you'd state those things.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
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@GrapplingIgnorance what ? you cannot read latin
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bolabus 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance peccatum illud horribile,
bolabus 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance and its the LAW
bolabus 7 months ago
Hope this "letter" reaches the necessary people.
LAnonHubbard 7 months ago
Don't take this wrong, I'm wondering that this person is either a Christian spitting angry Jew, a satanist (helper),and a disgruntled homosexual.
Jesus showed us what to do. When little lucifer came to town with
bible quotes in one hand and a ready contract in the other, Jesus let him speak.
This isn't a world under total control of the elite, but I think I get the point.
People are sad and mad at the commercial christian empire allowing evil to thrive.
Evil always comes in waves.
Ellipser 7 months ago
@Ellipser What on earth are you talking about. I'm non of the things you suggested in the first line of your comment, and the rest of your comment failed to explain why you'd assume I was. I'm a hetero-sexual atheist, not a Jew, homosexual, or helper of Satan (hint- satan ISN'T real). If I was gay, or Jewish, however, the points I make here would be just as valid. If you think otherwise, then please explain yourself.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago 5
Jeff Rense just linked you. Get ready for some views and subs (like mine)!
GenXRanter 7 months ago
@GenXRanter Welcome to the party.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Sorry I said Jeff Rense linked you, but meant Mike Rivero. :)
GenXRanter 7 months ago
@GenXRanter I'm not familiar with him. Where did he link me?
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance dub dub dub whatreallyhappened com. You're probably on page 2 by now.
GenXRanter 7 months ago
@GenXRanter Thanks, that was nice of him.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
Always dragging out the Old Testament and the Law of Moses as if it still applies to the present day. Maybe you need to go back and read the bible. Those laws were strictly given to a specific people who were not Christians at the time because Christ had not come but were necessary in order for Christ to come. When the Messiah did come, the old law was fulfilled, it went away and humanity entered the Age of Grace where he who is without sin may cast the first stone.
cybrotius 7 months ago
@cybrotius Golly, it sure is convenient how God, who's all knowing and all loving just changed his mind like that do to sending his son at some arbitrary time. So for example, in the old testament it states to put believers of other religions to death by your own hand. Did believers of other religions deserve that before Christ was born, but the ones after Christ arrived didn't deserve it any more? Also, why do Christians still point to the things they like about the old testament?
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago 5
@cybrotius "Always dragging out the Old Testament and the Law of Moses as if it still applies to the present day." Moses did not make up that law. GOD supposedly gave it to him. And, is Jesus god, or not? If Jesus is god, then his message contradicts the Old Testament by "God is unchanging. All of his commandments and STATUTES stand until the end of time." On the flipside, if Jesus was not god or the son of god, he was just a liar. Either way you look at it, something is fishy.
TempleofInanna 7 months ago 2
'Casual' Christians, code word for a fake.
HybridD91 7 months ago
@MrDatoMike No, that's not bad. Agnostic vs gnostic only means that you claim to not know or to know. Atheist vs theist refers to if you don't believe in God or you do. I am an agnostic atheist.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago 22
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MunkyDrag0n 7 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Extreme Anti-theistic atheists yell at you on youtube and possibly capitalize their letters. Extreme theists pickett peoples funerals saying that their "Burning in hell right now" (Westboro baptists check them out) and also fly planes into buildings, so I say better to be a "Pious" atheist.
buktomsin 7 months ago
@buktomsin It's actually Christopher Hitchens...my bad.
MunkyDrag0n 7 months ago
Im unfamiliar with chris hawkins, who is that?
buktomsin 7 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I will consider C.H. and other anti theists extreme when they massacre people in the name of their atheism, until then, extremism is on the side of theists.
HybridD91 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
Yahoo, someone that understands the difference between A/Theist and A/Gnostic. Thought I was the only one.
bersaba 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Isn't the New Testament worse than the Old Testament?
mslewp 7 months ago
@mslewp That's a matter of personal preference, I suppose.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance People often refer to the Gospels as a sign of improvment, but then either Paul or John says that loving your neighbor and stuff only applies to Christians. So based on that they're the same, but then the NT becomes worse with Hell.
mslewp 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I was talking to someone on the internet who was saying you can't "not know". You either don't believe in God or you do.
DeathnoteBB 6 months ago
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Matthew 5:17
dRevan64 7 months ago
From the Art of War:
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
That's why atheists dominate almost every argument, because we actually know what's in the damn bible.
phantomatt502 7 months ago
I wish "Christians" read their whole Bible... Not just obsess over a few choice words spoon fed to them by hate mongers.
choongd 7 months ago
Casual Christians, Muslims, and Jews, give cover to the actions of fundamentalists. They give the appearance of a collective mass behind these "extremists' due to their inability to keep their own hoses clean. The truth is the problem with religious fundamentalists, is not their extremity, it is the FUNDAMENTALS OF THEIR RELIGION. The simple fact is Abrahamic religions are not religions of peace or blueprints for a better way to get along with others! Look closely, they all have bloody hands.
AdUtrumquePeratus76 7 months ago
I totally agree. I'm a millitant atheist.
It is important to me that if you believe what you are saying which is truth you still hide your face. Man up. We need faces on this thing.
Love and Light.
D. Steffen, Orlando. FL.
davian3 7 months ago
You speak truth. Funny thing, when I read the whole bible cover to cover as a child, it brought up a LOT of questions for me. When I started asking the preacher those questions, he told me "The devil is putting thoughts in your head. You have to fight him and pray." The irony is I might have still trusted the veracity of the bible had I not taken the time to read it. Meanwhile, Christians who don't recognize their own scriptures when I quote them think I'm the one who needs to "hear the word."
TheViciousSquare 7 months ago
@MrDatoMike Which god do you think maybe exists?
TonymedstortT 7 months ago
@TonymedstortT Being agnostic just means that you don't know, it doesn't mean you think that one particular god "maybe exists."
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance No not really, it means you think it's impossible to find out if there is a god or not, but anyhow the people I know who call themselves agnostics think that one god is more plausible than the next. It was Badly phrased question and I apologize, I simply wonderd if he had any particular god he heard of that he thought to be plausible.
TonymedstortT 7 months ago
happy 100 vids GI
terretsforever 7 months ago
I know many church leaders stopped believing in their religion but continue in it because its a job, and maybe in some subtle way they hope to lessen the impact of the more damaging aspects of their faith. I know this from discussions I had while in seminary, and the choices I had to make. Ultimately I left before finishing because I couldn't just fake it, even though it cost me dearly to abandon Christianity. Now 20 years later, so very glad I left, even if I die a destitute poet.
Kindertautenleider 7 months ago
Half ass religious people makes perfect candidate for hypocrites.
namjignerak 7 months ago
Excellent, we need to encourage Christians to read their Bible. The more that do the less "Casual Christians" there would be.
I'm not really interested in a numbers game, I'm happy to be a minority in regards to my Atheism but it would help re-address the balance and hopefully stop some of the injustices carried out in the name of religion.
AlexThomson1000 7 months ago
read the bible, we need more Atheist
ThePeacefulAtheistt 7 months ago 2
i got in an argument with my christian father today about me looking/acting/thinking differently than tge majority of our society. he called me rebellious, i asked him why he didnt take me out on the edge of town and stone me to death, he told me to stop not making sense. somebody hasnt been reading his bible.. (or anything else, for that matter..)
PunkZombie1300 7 months ago 2
I don't mind casual Christians. They don't preach and try to impose their shit on me
oldcomic1 7 months ago
@oldcomic1 true. very true.
isisdron 7 months ago
@isisdron I do get your point though
oldcomic1 7 months ago
@oldcomic1 On the base level, I don't mind them either, as they usually are not guilty of the worse things their more extreme counterparts are, as I stated in the video. However, as I also stated in the video, by not taking a stand against those extremists, they give more power to the extremist's voices.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
"How to seperate what you do believe from what you don't"
Well technically the Bible isn't a book. It's 66-72 books (depending on your version) written by 40+ men, edited many, many, many, times. And every respectable Christian should admit that.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
@Mectrixctic You're correct- but it is still a book. Anthologies or collections of smaller books/stories/poems etc. are still books.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
Well yeah, but that wasn't the authors' original intention (or maybe it was! watch?v=XbcJpWh_Psc)
So it really shouldn't be treated as something like that, and it makes cherrypicking all the easier.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
I used to be casual. Not amymore, opened my eyes to the beauty of reality.
cujomade101 7 months ago 3
what if i dont really care about religion at all?
1009541074brb 7 months ago
Dumb People are dumb.
There were dumb Nazis
Dumb Muslim terrorists
Dumb Geoncidal rapist.
Just because there are dumb fools that say they belong to something doenst mean they represent the whole.
ProtoMario 7 months ago
@ProtoMario People are dumb in general. It's more accurate to say there are smart people in all (or most) groups, with the rest stupid, rather than the other way around.
Krazed2Kraze 7 months ago
What are you doing to help this video be seen by more than your Atheist following?
JimboWizbo 7 months ago
@JimboWizbo I've put it on the internet where anyone is welcome to see it, share it, copy it, and tell others about it. That's a start.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
cause they have no self worth. Voting against women's reproductive rights and marriage rights, claiming America as gods country justifying genocide over middle eastern countries... Religion is a virus
KalyaHarmony 7 months ago
@ thekenterry religion is bad and harmful, telling children they are sinful from birth and that a man had to be tortured to save them from eternal burning is child abuse and stunts mental growth. Refusing to teach accurate science, teaching abstinence leads to teen pregnancy and starts families to young and leaves those young parents raising children uneducated and fearful making them dependent on faith
KalyaHarmony 7 months ago
Awesome video, reading the bible is what helped me release the last of my faith.
KalyaHarmony 7 months ago
God cant be the all knowing and perfect being in the universe. If he did exist and was, he would have chosen writers that didnt suck to be his prophets.
boonw 7 months ago
In the past, I've called them "Shrug Your Shoulder" Christians. They think about their "religion" only in their facebook "religion status" or when they are asked, however, they don't really know whats in the Bible. Most of them don't even agree with a lot of the Bible, but they wouldn't know that, because they don't read it. I'm having my boyfriend watch this video. He is one of these.
fruitikay 7 months ago
@fruitikay Hopefully it helps in your effort to jar him from the easiness of just going along with the crowd.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
There are many skeptics who think it's okay to reconcile Christianity with science. This frustrates me. They are less bothered by moderates than they are by fundamentalists when I merely see them as opposite roads to stupid. Most of my friends fall in to this category. They refuse to talk on it seriously, but it isn't long before they post on FB how we should all thank God for our blessings. These people are bright, 1 step away from not indoctrinating their children; they are who we must reach.
ArcasDevlin 7 months ago
@ArcasDevlin I agree that it makes more sense to turn away from the extremists who are committed to die before they can have their minds changed and at least devote a significant amount of attention to the practical fence-sitters.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
Reading the bible may very well be the most effective deconversion tool there is. It would seem hard to say, 'I believe in Christianity and the bible.', when one relizes that is the same thing as saying, 'I believe in talking donkeys and snakes, unicorns, that fruit bearing trees grew before there was a sun, and that Dinosaurs lived on the flat earth with men just like in the Flintstones.'
ericandcelena 7 months ago
"If you have a Bible on your bookshelf, you may be a Christian.
If you have a Koran on your bookshelf, you may be a Muslim.
If you have a Torah on your bookshelf, you may be Jewish.
If you have all three, you are probably an atheist."
Blonde Nonbeliever
grebrim 7 months ago 39
@grebrim
-I smell a cool t-shirt design- :D
Exile1a 7 months ago
@grebrim actully, jews also have the bible on thier bookshelf, only it's a "lighter version" (only the old testement)
the torah is part of the bible.
eyallev 7 months ago
Happy 100th video!!!
3377saintsfan 7 months ago
I agree with you, I'm from Quebec Canada and there's basically no more ''creationists'' here .. People are pretty educated and, for the most part, no longer religious at all. Yet, 77% identify as christians ... 90% of them are just not .. It sucks that people dont realize the impact of only ''identifying'' as christian..
Your point about alowing the religious establishments to use those stats is just ridiculous .. The good thing is that religion is definitly on it's last breaths...
Cheers
659851 7 months ago 3
@659851 It's easier to have that kind of hope and confidence living in Quebec than it does to have it when you're living in the rural south of the USA.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
I re-read my comment, I ment that your point was very good about the impact of ''indentifying'' as christian when your really not... I hope you understood...
I watch some of the '' atheist comunity'' videos and I often feel very lucky to live in an environment where this is not much of an issue anymore ... The main reason for that i believe is education and I know it's the front you decided to work on. I know that people like you will make a huge diference.
Cheers
659851 7 months ago
I hate the Christians who dismiss ideas and interpretations that I present from the Bible with "you're an atheist, so your interpretations are automatically wrong." It's the very definition of an ad hominem. If my point were raised by a Christian, you wouldn't dismiss it out of hand like this.
puellanivis 7 months ago
@puellanivis Next time that happens and the same said Christian talks of science tell them "you're not a scientist and therefore you're wrong" see how they take it.
luisdez81 7 months ago
@yuriatayde Your 1st sentence is not supported by the rest of your comment. Why should I consider a baptism as anything other than a dipping or splashing of water? Also, when did I say that bible reading is a positive activity? I think that it's essential to read the damn thing if you're going to go around claiming it as the in inerrant work of your God, lest you be ignorant about the devices of your own promotion. That doesn't mean it's a good book.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
it would be cool if you did a house or a room tour for your subbies...I'm also ceaselesslynosy.
CeaselesslyCurious 7 months ago
@CeaselesslyCurious Well this wasn't filmed at my place. I'm staying with family at the moment. My place (especially my room where I shoot videos) is kept disparately baron so my background doesn't distract from my message.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
oh, I love this video soooo much! I can't wait to send it to a few moderate theist I recently had a discussion with on their weak/lacking conviction. i sure hope a lot of casual christians view this video and be open to the bold questions you ask of them.
CeaselesslyCurious 7 months ago
More props to GI.....well done....again
ProofPleez 7 months ago
I for one don't feel like religion is a bad thing, if sheeps don't have a shepard bad things happen. I wish they would cut the bullshit and realize evolution is the best answer we have instead of a mythical being zapping things into existance; but that is the only thing that pisses me off. As far as what they do, it's harmless. It's ignorant to say religion is exclusively bad, and that comment is directed to some people below, not the uploader. Let them think someone loves them, it's nice.
TheKenTerry 7 months ago
@TheKenTerry Evolution is not an explanation for the existence of life, nor does it substitute religion. Evolution only explains how life has changed, and plenty of denominations have accepted that without shedding any of the harmful or potentially harmful things about their religions.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
Maybe I think this because I tend to follow the stoic way of life, but religion isn't harmful or bad, it's how the person takes it. I also didn't intend to say evolution is creation, I was talking about how humans came to existance; we believe evolution did it while they believe God used dust and a man's rib.
TheKenTerry 7 months ago
@TheKenTerry It depends on what you mean by "we" and what you mean by "did it." Not all atheists accept evolution, and evolution in and of itself does not explain the origin of life. The most plausible scientific explanation for that is abiogenesis. It's important to word these things carefully so you don't overgeneralize, or misrepresent a group of people's "beliefs." See my video called "The Origins Argument."
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
Semantics. I mean't "we" as in the people who accept evolution, and by "did it" I mean evolution is the event that happend differing us from the other ape families with supreme intelligence allowing for a wider range of emotions and functions. You are right though, someone could take those words and overgeneralize. If we evolve telepathy, this argument would never happen. That video sounds interesting, i'll watch it right now.
TheKenTerry 7 months ago
Oh man, I'm sorry for not keeping up with you.
AGNOSTICEXTREME 7 months ago
EXACTLY!!!! EXACTLY!!!! EXACTLY!!!!
TemporalOnline 7 months ago
If a casual christian is tennis shoes I was flip flops.
QuantumDarkness 7 months ago
Very nice 100th video!
TheExtremistModerate 7 months ago
nice
blueyesalexya 7 months ago
having grown up in a non-religious family (but not atheist or secular humanist) i have never read and can never see my self reading the bible. with that said i dont get into religious conversations cause i dont have that back ground but then i am not the target for this video.
SkeptikSnarf 7 months ago
@SkeptikSnarf Correct sir- I don't recommend it. There are plenty other works of historical fiction that are MUCH more entertaining and less grotesque.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
GI's back! (I think) Can't wait for your next Blog TV session!
yuo252 7 months ago
@yuo252 That will be another couple weeks.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
It's a shame most casual Christians won't see this video. They are a surprisingly large group. Also congrats on the 100th video, well done.
rytheguy66 7 months ago 4
@rytheguy66 Hi there, well... you can post this video on your facebook if you have one or just send the link via email to any casual christians you know.
CeaselesslyCurious 7 months ago
well said, great video
BillKiernan 7 months ago
you know, I heard Christians all the time claim they've read the bible cover to cover, multiple times some claim, then you tell them one of the less nice passages and they get all confused like they've never heard it before.
PhauxTheFox 7 months ago
@PhauxTheFox I hear Christians^
PhauxTheFox 7 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Im sad to see so many atheists on youtube, have such a negative distorted image of the christian God. however i do understand people who are brought up with faith, and never have committed to it themselves, needs to "break free" of it, to find their own way. I believe youve made some valid points here, in that regard.
However for the "semi-believers" tilting one way or the other: they know theres 2 options. God or non-god. They dont need atheists to convert them, or christians to do the same.
SorenGoldberg 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg Distorted negative image of the Christian god? Have you READ the Bible? It's really -hard- to say something insulting about the Christian god that -isn't- supported by what's written -in- the Bible. Yahweh IS an intolerant, genocidal, misogynistic, brutal control freak. About the only thing he isn't is a paedophile, though he's got no problem being a child murderer, which is arguably worse.
Muljinn 7 months ago 4
@SorenGoldberg I think they should be open to hear the arguments for both sides. You also don't "convert" to atheism. Disbelief isn't something one converts to.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago 48
@GrapplingIgnorance LMAO
It's not a" conversion" to atheism, it's realizing you were an atheist all along and have just been taught otherwise.
Great point, cheers!
luisdez81 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg Your profile says Denmark, I think if you lived in the USA you might have a clearer view grapplings perspective.
"they know theres 2 options. God or non-god."
Do they? No one explained that to me as a child. No one explained to me that more then 1/20 of the country simply didn't believe in god. Its hard to deconvert if you think you're the only one. I didn't know any other atheists till high school. If certain teachers found out you didn't believe you'd get lower grades.
JoesephKatana 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg "Im sad to see so many atheists on youtube, have such a negative distorted image of the christian God"
I posit that it's the people that think the god of the Bible is a loving figure have a distorted image.....
SiriusMined 7 months ago 2
@SorenGoldberg Distsorted? So did your God not murder the entire populace of the planet, command the slaughter of hole cities, promote slavery, genocide, rape, etc? Does he not punish a faithless man who is kind to all while rewarding a man who is cruel but has faith?
There's nothing "distorted" simply facts in the bible that are abhorrent to anyone that actually bothers to read it and be honest about it's content. All of these, however, are irrelevant to a lack of belief.
DarkBunnyLord 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg : And its sad that "christians" dont read their bible. If they did, they would see how disqusting and stupid that book is, and how horrible demented monster is the god that they were lied about.
bary1234 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg hold on does that mean us atheists dont need you christians converting us at our doors, in our schools, or in front of our supermarkets?
FreeSheep 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg It's sad to see people with your viewpoint. Imagine a bunch of your friends, coworkers, etc still believed that the sun revolved around the Earth. Now to make it more ridiculous, imagine that their view of the sun revolving around Earth also told individuals whether or not they can get married, took the rights away from women, etc. Also, there are WAY more options than "god or non-God." And some DO need help to find what is right. Just like I did and many other youtubers.
DukeDonut 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg It isn't just two options, however. For you it's indeed the question if they believe in YOUR god, or not. But seeing the number of religions and denominations, it is, or should be, easy to see that it is NOT just a yes or no question
You have an atheistic view towards all other religions. I just go one further: YOUR religion. Now ask yourself: why don't I believe in those other religions? Isn't it just a case of 'mine already feels good'?
Shangori 7 months ago
@SorenGoldberg You know, I read the bible. Lots of people did. We found Yahweh lacking; He orders and carries out murder, is easily angered, decided to kill himself to give to himself for "sin"....And then I realize we give too much credit to deities in general. They aren't all powerful beings, as we hope them to be, but forces and powers personified. Leaving Christianity took me on the journey to Animism, and I am content with this choice. I suggest you look about as well.
DarkMuu666 7 months ago
to me, moderate religious people are more annoying than fundamentalists, and are the only religious people truly worthy of being labeled willfully ignorant. they reject or ignore nearly all of the basis of their religion, and some of them even believe in evolution and the big bang. yet for some reason many of them chose to remain on the as they are, even though they are essentially on the precipice of becoming atheists, free from the burden of fear from a non existent deity. it's frustrating.
tehloserisyou 7 months ago 14
@tehloserisyou Plenty of creationists have had evolution carefully explained to them, and had their straw men politely pointed out, yet refuse to accept the new information and move forward. THAT is willfully ignorant and frustrating as well.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago 34
@GrapplingIgnorance That's true, but there's a clear dividing line. At least most of the fundamentalists truly believe everything about their religion and holy book. To them, evolution is obviously not true, and they reference their bible to disprove it. But some moderates actually reject the very makeup of their religion, and believe in evolution and other evidence. What makes them more willfully ignorant, at least to me, is that there's nothing there to keep them believing but they do anyway.
tehloserisyou 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance nah it's more frustrating if you're the one who converted your parents when you're a lil kid and now that you're grown up and have seen reason, gets scolded by your parents for being an atheist...
FreeSheep 7 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance "Plenty of creationists have had evolution carefully explained to them, and had their straw men politely pointed out, yet refuse to accept the new information and move forward. THAT is willfully ignorant and frustrating as well." Indeed. These are the likes of Eric Hovind and Ray Comfort. If the evidence contradicts scripture, even if it's TANGIBLE or obvious, they will dismiss it.
TempleofInanna 7 months ago