Just saw this story in the UK's online Register, "Blighty's electro-supercar 2.0 uncloaked today. Fast-charge Lightning to bitchslap Tesla?" The article claimed that with industrial three phase power you can speed charge the Lightning's batteries to 80% within two or three minutes. Fully recharging would take about ten minutes. They also quoted the price at 120K pounds (about $240K U.S.)
Altairnano batteries can be fast charged but have relatively low energy density and cost 2.5x more than regular Li-ion cell. A123 cells, as will be used in the GM Volt, can also be charged to 80% in 5 mins but are cheaper and much lighter.
The 700 hp claim for the PML wheel motors is just BS so far. I have a video on my channel of a Volvo using their motors but it's virtually at walking pace.
Think about it, if a Tesla with only 250hp does 0-60 in 4 sec, wouldn't 700hp be MUCH faster?
The Volvo's walking pace is about the pace the lightning car is shown (one very short edited vid of it running). I imagine that since the Lightning is a luxury GT, with marketers from RR & Bently, that the performance figures might be hampered by weight. No weight was given on Lightning's web site, only weight distribution. When the Lightning rep was interviewed he certainly didn't convince me that their performance figures were anything more than hopes. Still... I want to believe!
Why does Tesla hold on to a battery pack that takes 3.5 hours to recharge (accoring to their site) if both A123 and Altairnano battery packs can recharge in minutes? Are the newer batteries too expensive for the $109K Tesla, or can their platform not handle the bigger batteries?
IMHO I think it's because the Tesla has an oversized battery pack to placate buyers with 'range anxiety'. This means they must buy mass produced Li-ion cells at the lowest possible price.
The Tesla has a 50kw/hr pack that contains 7000 cells and costs $30,000 compared to the Volt which will carry a 16kw/hr pack.
Nano tech batteries still carry a premium but when GM and others start mass production of these cars in 2010 prices of Nano batteries will surely drop as supply increases.
On my motorcycle I stop every 150 miles for gas. Give me an affordable electric car, or motorcycle, with a 100 mile range and I'll be happy... especially if a charge only takes a few minutes! With mass production of these new nano batteries on the horizon, maybe Tesla's next vehicle will benefit from the new improved batteries?
To be honest Tesla Motors aren't even a car manufacturer, they have the same business model as a fabless chip company.
A short list of the majors now investing $100s of Millions in full scale EV production reads like a who's who of the auto industry. Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, GM, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW with battery suppliers like Panasonic, NEC, LG, Sanyo, Continental.. many of the same consumer electronics companies that flooded the world with plasma TVs... EVs will happen.. SOON.
PS, one simple explaination is that the Tesla costs about 40% of the 'expected' price of the Ligtning. That's really an insane price point for a first car from a manufacturer with Zero track record.
Guess they will be selling to rockstars, rappers, and pro athletes. I know that one reason for the high price tag is the extenstive use of carbon fiber. I just read Gizmag's article, "The affordable, 100mpg, carbon-composite passenger car". It says mass production of Britain's Axon cf auto panels will be cheaper than metal. Exciting times!
There are cells that charge in minutes. Hook up A123 li-ion batteries to a high current powers supply and they will be 80% full in less than 5 mins.
The limit with charging a large EV pack is the power supply current. A 415v 3 phase 100 amp supply could charge a 25 kWh pack to 80% in approx 15 mins... but the limit is the power supply not the battery.
$800,000!!! You may want to recheck your sources. asia.cnet and dailytech both state the price at 150K British Sterling, or about $300K U.S. So you could only own 3 Teslas for the price of a Lightning. LOL!
I'm just curious if the technology they are claiming to use is actually roadworthy (4 in wheel motors with Hi-Pa drive and Altairnano batteries). If it is, I'd like to know how it compares with Tesla's technology.
The Tesla roadster is cool, but it may have competition from the UK before too long. How about some info/vids on the Lightning with PML's long awaited, and often ridiculed, four wheel motor Hi-Pa drive system? I've seen a short video of the car being driven/tested. That car looks sleek and the performance numbers provided (700 bhp, 0-60<4 seconds, 180 mile range, 10 minute recharge) seem to compete favorably with the Tesla. What do u say... another mini-cooper virtual car, or...?
sorry the lightning is def NOT comp. for the tesla. the lightning is said to cost somewhere in the ball park of $800,000!!! you could own 8 teslas for that price. it pisses me off cuz thats a rediculous price for a car when the tesla does it for 1/8th the cost
Misleading title: this video has nothing to do with BMS
1davide 3 years ago
from 1:10 onwards they're pointing the camera straight at the BMS screen!
tsport100 3 years ago
Just saw this story in the UK's online Register, "Blighty's electro-supercar 2.0 uncloaked today. Fast-charge Lightning to bitchslap Tesla?" The article claimed that with industrial three phase power you can speed charge the Lightning's batteries to 80% within two or three minutes. Fully recharging would take about ten minutes. They also quoted the price at 120K pounds (about $240K U.S.)
SideburnerSol 3 years ago
Altairnano batteries can be fast charged but have relatively low energy density and cost 2.5x more than regular Li-ion cell. A123 cells, as will be used in the GM Volt, can also be charged to 80% in 5 mins but are cheaper and much lighter.
The 700 hp claim for the PML wheel motors is just BS so far. I have a video on my channel of a Volvo using their motors but it's virtually at walking pace.
Think about it, if a Tesla with only 250hp does 0-60 in 4 sec, wouldn't 700hp be MUCH faster?
tsport100 3 years ago
The Volvo's walking pace is about the pace the lightning car is shown (one very short edited vid of it running). I imagine that since the Lightning is a luxury GT, with marketers from RR & Bently, that the performance figures might be hampered by weight. No weight was given on Lightning's web site, only weight distribution. When the Lightning rep was interviewed he certainly didn't convince me that their performance figures were anything more than hopes. Still... I want to believe!
SideburnerSol 3 years ago
Why does Tesla hold on to a battery pack that takes 3.5 hours to recharge (accoring to their site) if both A123 and Altairnano battery packs can recharge in minutes? Are the newer batteries too expensive for the $109K Tesla, or can their platform not handle the bigger batteries?
Looking forward to your updates.
SideburnerSol 3 years ago
IMHO I think it's because the Tesla has an oversized battery pack to placate buyers with 'range anxiety'. This means they must buy mass produced Li-ion cells at the lowest possible price.
The Tesla has a 50kw/hr pack that contains 7000 cells and costs $30,000 compared to the Volt which will carry a 16kw/hr pack.
Nano tech batteries still carry a premium but when GM and others start mass production of these cars in 2010 prices of Nano batteries will surely drop as supply increases.
tsport100 3 years ago
On my motorcycle I stop every 150 miles for gas. Give me an affordable electric car, or motorcycle, with a 100 mile range and I'll be happy... especially if a charge only takes a few minutes! With mass production of these new nano batteries on the horizon, maybe Tesla's next vehicle will benefit from the new improved batteries?
SideburnerSol 3 years ago
To be honest Tesla Motors aren't even a car manufacturer, they have the same business model as a fabless chip company.
A short list of the majors now investing $100s of Millions in full scale EV production reads like a who's who of the auto industry. Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, GM, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW with battery suppliers like Panasonic, NEC, LG, Sanyo, Continental.. many of the same consumer electronics companies that flooded the world with plasma TVs... EVs will happen.. SOON.
tsport100 3 years ago
PS, one simple explaination is that the Tesla costs about 40% of the 'expected' price of the Ligtning. That's really an insane price point for a first car from a manufacturer with Zero track record.
tsport100 3 years ago
Guess they will be selling to rockstars, rappers, and pro athletes. I know that one reason for the high price tag is the extenstive use of carbon fiber. I just read Gizmag's article, "The affordable, 100mpg, carbon-composite passenger car". It says mass production of Britain's Axon cf auto panels will be cheaper than metal. Exciting times!
SideburnerSol 3 years ago
The Tesla is mostly carbon fibre also.
tsport100 3 years ago
Is there any battery pack that can really charge in minutes or is it just vaporware?
drdhdmd 2 years ago
There are cells that charge in minutes. Hook up A123 li-ion batteries to a high current powers supply and they will be 80% full in less than 5 mins.
The limit with charging a large EV pack is the power supply current. A 415v 3 phase 100 amp supply could charge a 25 kWh pack to 80% in approx 15 mins... but the limit is the power supply not the battery.
tsport100 2 years ago
$800,000!!! You may want to recheck your sources. asia.cnet and dailytech both state the price at 150K British Sterling, or about $300K U.S. So you could only own 3 Teslas for the price of a Lightning. LOL!
I'm just curious if the technology they are claiming to use is actually roadworthy (4 in wheel motors with Hi-Pa drive and Altairnano batteries). If it is, I'd like to know how it compares with Tesla's technology.
SideburnerSol 3 years ago
The Tesla roadster is cool, but it may have competition from the UK before too long. How about some info/vids on the Lightning with PML's long awaited, and often ridiculed, four wheel motor Hi-Pa drive system? I've seen a short video of the car being driven/tested. That car looks sleek and the performance numbers provided (700 bhp, 0-60<4 seconds, 180 mile range, 10 minute recharge) seem to compete favorably with the Tesla. What do u say... another mini-cooper virtual car, or...?
SideburnerSol 3 years ago
sorry the lightning is def NOT comp. for the tesla. the lightning is said to cost somewhere in the ball park of $800,000!!! you could own 8 teslas for that price. it pisses me off cuz thats a rediculous price for a car when the tesla does it for 1/8th the cost
vindigga6 3 years ago
mmmmm. sexy!
BERTERACHEVYdotCOM 3 years ago
I want one. Too bad I can't afford one.
ratryu 3 years ago