Id like to see more varied rifle stances being used, instead of ONLY the standard supported barricade kneeling.
Where's the medium range rifle (100 yards) standing/kneeling unsupported? Sitting position unsupported?
Unsupported positions just make it so that more care is needed for constructing a stable shooting position, which is after all one of the marksmanship essentials
Sometimes less is more! Less barricades means more that more and different type of targets fit in the truck
What a Cool Crew video. This was so funny...Great Video!!! Pre-sledge hammer video...may be this could be the begining of the other sledge hammer vids..??? Gee, it sure seems like a lot of work to set it all up but it is worth it. I sure do enjoy watching them!
That's hilarious. PFI dad planted and seed and the roots took... Gotta watch out for those old guys... They never want to run, they'll give you a thousand reasons in hopes
For those who don't want to run, bring out a punching ball.
Yes, seriously.
There are many models that would fit in your vehicle just fine.
The "I don't want to run" is mental imo. If you make them punch their blood will rise just as well but they won't complain because what man complains about punching stuff.
I love your sledge runs. Maybe you can run it a little bit differently, like incorporating a dummy drag, construct/erect a barricade. Simulate FTF with random dummy rounds. I'm not sure, but anything that can help you prepare your body and skills is a good thing.
I'm looking forward to Beretta releasing the ARX. The SCAR looks like a great gun too but the ARX looks like a real winner to me.
I'm still ashamed of Bushmaster for what they did with the ACR. Magpul should have teamed with another company.............Like Bravo Company or something.
@icecoffeeenthusiast Thanks man. I'm a long time subscriber of Nutnfancy's. He was doing reviews before reviews were cool on Youtube. :) I always check out his new vids.
Here I was thinking that the ARX160 might actually be here since it's been a year since it showed up at SHOT. But you're right, what gives? Can't wait to hear what the Beretta guys have to say this year at SHOT.
There's never anybody else around when you go shooting, how far away from civilization do you go?? Wish I had a place like that to go shooting, well...and a crew like that!
I got an e-mail back from Kel-Tec the other day! The KSG will be out in the end of 2011 in a small quanity, and many more in 2012! I hope to be lucky enough to get one by 2013! Thanks for all the work!
@nutnfancy I think less running between stations is better - less time to think between them. You can't mentally "catch your breath" before you have to start shooting again.
This is another point in the project where I see you guys grow and learn to change your guys system for the better of the project. Glad to see videos like this with the trademark honesty of TNP.
Also are you planning on doing a review on the Troy battlemag?
I loved this "sit-down" with nutn and friends. Brilliant marketing. It was a nice little window into the real-life planning of TNP.
Apart from that, I agree, the runs should be more about the guns, and less about whether or not the shooters can run a sub 4.3 fifty in a full loadout.
A shorter course would be cool as long that you ad more target put 15 or 20 target wit 1 or 2 shot per target bam bam NEX bam bam NEX bam bam NEX target that would be sweet.
Me and a buddy are still waiting for our Park. top and O.D. bottom PF9s!! You guys crack me up. I'll never pretend I wouldn't be wore out after a day of sledge... :-)
Yeah I feel the pain now. I remember running the recon course 4 times in a row at Camp Pendleton and I was like man we dont have time for another? Now I mess around and do hardly anything and the next day its like people beat you with ball bats... Age sucks... doesnt help that I about destroyed my body in the Corp.
You're an advocate of refining systems, shorting the Sledge would be that kind of modification. Especially, with technology, sledge may be in for future facelifts per the prototype swanking healing targets tested in the Sunflower shoot . The sledge could have steel-like feedback within 100 yrds or even a advancing shoot similar to Firefight. The reference data loss will be a shame but is overcome-able. It's a win because it = more reviews. With all the support I have. Take care and God bless.
Man, Nutn looks small without all gear on. A shorter course is great for systems that have less questions surrounding them. An AR variant will need less ringing out than an exotic offering, like a FS2000, Ruger Gunsite, etc. Standardizing the round count would make the tests more usable. If every gun did 25 rounds with 3 mag changes the running would become less important. ]
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The choice is totally up to y'all and what procedure/time restraint allows. Y'all know to keep the stress levels up and heart rate to push the shooter. Do what you gotta do. THanks for sharing the conversation/debate!
Many hands make light work... You need more dummies.... Helpers to do the running...NO I am not offering. Spectator only.The vids are wonderful.. It is your aches and pains-your decision. Keep up the fantasic job.
I say keep the Sledge as it is. It's perfect. You NEED the distance to give the human variable in there. Yeah, you can test guns in all the perfect, unstressed conditions you want but lets be honest, when you actually USE them, and when you need to RELY on them - chances are the situation isn't going to be under laboratory conditions.
Nutn, the run is PERFECT as it is. From my, 'viewers POV' of course.
There is an old adage in rock climbing: you can push your gear or you can push your ability, but its not a good idea to push both at the same time. From a gear review point of view, the emphasis should be on the durability and performance level of the product, and less so on the human doing the testing. Just my opinion.
your videos are the most scientific reviews available. if you change it the variables its less of an accurate experiment. keep it the way it was man. i love TNP
Tired shooting equals less justice to the gun and therefore reduces your control line for your experiment. you need consistency to truly compare quality and performance.
Makes sense to shorten it, I think. Like you said, you'll have time to run more guns, and do so with better energy and focus throughout the day. I'm for it.
I like these clips you should do these more often. Shorten it, for the amount of runs yall do. It would represent the weapon system better., but maybe add a target or two. With the distance between targets your testing yourself more than the weapon system. How your perform under stress with the system. Which isn't a bad thing either.
why dont you make one big course but with subtests,like running and shooting,just shooting mixed it up so you can test everything but in a one stable course
Correct me if I'm wrong...but you're getting roughly a 50/50 mix of personal stamina /systems integration on a personal level and how those various parts of the system (LBE, weapons, holsters, slings, etc) work with someone who is approaching exhaustion. Correct? Anyone can reload a weapon, transition to pistol, clear jams...etc from a firing line. The problem is when you stretch the course out...you're favoring the personal stamina test more than the equipment side of the testing. Shorten it
Why do none of the run and guns have a stab drill. Like empty your main platform, then your hand gun into different range targets, then dispatch one more bad guy with your knife. Knife guy here. And handguns.
What about shortened courses of fire based purely on POU's (e.g. mixing & matching different types of parameters)...these data points can then be "approximated" into larger sequences/data points without having to actually run the Sledgehammer Course "Proper." It's kind of like the concept of psycho-acoustics (I believe) used in the design of the mp3 music file (and its variants)--only the pertinent frequencies are grouped together to give the ears a high quality rendition of the actual sounds...
tactical backhair :)) lol , the course? who cares :) as long as you go and do your thing :) and damn about that ammo with Chad.. cool vid&thumbs up, love this at least as much as the shootin' :)
I think shortening the sledge would be cool...more shooting. You can still get your heartrates up but not be as drained and get in more shooting and keep it fun for the guys. I find the scores interesting as a "hey I beat your score" thing but don't really take them into account in the reviews because too much of a human factor. The Kel-Tech issue makes me kinda want to return my PF9...what the heck are they doing over there?
I get that you want to maintain a standard, and all the running is to elevate your stress to make it a more field worthy assessment, but you have to keep it enjoyable for yourself and your crew, or what's the point.
Maybe it's just me but the times always seemed sorta arbitrary anyway. I always viewed the Hammer and other setups as just gun demonstration and testing. Trying to compared speeds between makes really wasn't something that seemed relevant. Too much of a human element involved. Love the vids though. Thanks.
These videos are great, what are you going to do for the 1000 th video, how about a machine gun video, put a m134 minigun in the 1000 vid, shoot the big sandy machine gun shoot in Arizona?
You could do one of two good runs with the regular sledgehammer so you can get a good time. But then for regular usage, just to test the guns, have the shortened, less draining run.
Maybe just a little less running, But if you shorten it too much you might as well set up an ipsc course, I think it is set up pretty good right now, Personal preference though but as far as I am concerned the video could be a 7 hour long sheep dog philosophy vid and I am perfectly happy, Everything that Nutnfancy makes is fantastic! Long Live TNP!!!
while I luv the run n' guns and gear reviews.. "behind the scenes/slice of life" vids like this are SUPER... only thing missing is Allie T.M.D.....any backpacking/adventure vids w/ LastSuspect or Tac-Doodle on the way (I'm hoping Allie recovers to go soon too)?
thank you (and crew..btw where's Sadly Missing.. he's living up to his name) for the vids and TNP !!!
these vids always make me wanna get out to the desert and shoot...but then i remember that im flat out broke and cant afford to put lead through my guns lol
@vince45chapin Maybe you will think this sounds gay, but concider making a replica airsoft gun of your firearm. Take a look at Travis Haley's channel: /user/HaleyStrategic
Nut'n you and the crew have hit a great point: A "CAD station" rendering is "NOT" a functioning weapon ... never will be. There is a reason we need apprenticeship programs in all phases of engineering and design. Great video!
This is really simple; Companies that jerk their vendors around are usually even worse with their employees. Until it is publicly confirmed that both PFI AND Chad have been reimbursed for their expenses, my money goes elsewhere. It sounds like their desk jockeys need to take a refresher course in standard accounting and business practices.
I enjoy these type of "behind the scenes" videos you do. I also really like your longer videos. You have taken a lot of flak lately it seems about the longer videos. I quite like sledgehammer, I don't mind the running...its only a few seconds before you are shooting again. I would totally understand wanting to shorten it though. I have done these types of drills albeit not as often as you. They are physically demanding as is set up/clean up.
remind me never to invite Kel-Tec to anything. sounds like the type of friend that steals drinks from you and then doesn't even throw some cash in for the cab ride home. LAAAAAMMMEEE!
Perfect suggestion from PFI on taking it to the next level. Have you thought about running some of the published drills that are out there now from the training community? MagPuls BSA, Viking Tactics 2-2-2, 1-5 drills, IDPA's classifier, etc.
i know this might be too much time, but would it possible to make 2 different kinds of sledgehammer, a shorter one with a higher round count to test accuracy and reliability, and a longer one (perhaps even longer than the existing sledgehammer) to test ergonomics and portability? seems like the two test would test the weapons better than one single test would.
My impression of the sledge hammer drill was more about the philosophy of preparedness. It tested the weapons, but secondarily, if not primarily, it pushed the individual outside their comfort zone to familiarize the shooter with shooting under high stress. I've always admired that you put yourself up to that sort of challenge, but I understand wanting to keep things fresh.
I think a shorter distance course with the same target distances and round counts would mean you have data you could still use from previous runs. Since each individual's fitness level/recovery rate are different a shorter course means they have less time to adjust between stations. Put a good heart pumping stretch at the front and just before the long shot. Other distances aren't as crucial, having to switch targets and weapons should keep their mindstate elevated. Expect to use more ammo ;)
For a second I thought I was watching an episode of the golden girls! Do not change the sledge, time to bring in Tactical Doodle and the young guns! All kidding around regardless whose running, always fun and informative to see.
On the Kel Tec tip...they are just seriously overwhelmed. I live nearby and had to take my Pf9 (That I was already not happy with before it broke) in to the factory. The customer service was great (really great) but they had this attitude of "Oh yeah. That happens a LOT"...kinda scary. Their facility itself looks really ghetto too. I got a call from one of their engineers a week later to ask about all of the problems I had and he said that part of their problem...
@jonnypescado1 ...was having one CNC machine trying to do multiple parts. They have amazing people, service and designs but their systems are FUBAR, IMO. They can't even come close to matching QC with production demands. Anyhoo...just traded my Pf9 in on a S&W 669 and now I'm in LOVE. If it was a car it'd be a 60s Chevelle...Small, built like a tank but can suck the doors off of any car next to it. SAWC be damned! LOL I'd ask for a S&W 3G review series but they're getting expensive as it is!
I was going to buy a Kel Tec PF9, but after seeing some of my friends and the hassles they had sending back Kel Tec guns for quality problems I went with a different manufacturer. I don't need any of that trouble to deal with.
I totally agree about Kel Tec! And.. a shorter standardized course with more fire would def be a much better way to run it I think. I love the BS'n guys, keep up the great work!
Interesting about Kel Tec. Been thinking of getting the PF9 but if that's how they treat their customers, I'm starting to question if that's the way I will go. Pay up Kel Tec.
@ nutnfancy I agree with andrewasaurus, although i enjoy watching you guys get your asses kicked by the sledge, you guys are there to run the guns. Heat'em up boys!!!! Rock on!
Hey Kel Tec, whats up! How about doing the right thing and reimburse PFI!!!!!!!
That's pretty weak if you dont.
Hey Nutn that was hilarious. The course shortening should be fine. It will allow more runs, more runs=more data. Though in the end the fatigue may be the same because you are doing the extra runs.
I’ve always thought the course was backwards. Most engagements start at distance then move in and if all is not going well you would transition to pistol. Why not run it backwards down the hill. Love the vids keep them coming.
Id like to see more varied rifle stances being used, instead of ONLY the standard supported barricade kneeling.
Where's the medium range rifle (100 yards) standing/kneeling unsupported? Sitting position unsupported?
Unsupported positions just make it so that more care is needed for constructing a stable shooting position, which is after all one of the marksmanship essentials
Sometimes less is more! Less barricades means more that more and different type of targets fit in the truck
:D
steelpanther88 1 month ago
PFIDad looks like the father from the show 'Sons of Guns'
shaggy2124 2 months ago
Fun candid video!!
bobrunner06 2 months ago
Need to figure out how to get down there from Canada :P
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What a Cool Crew video. This was so funny...Great Video!!! Pre-sledge hammer video...may be this could be the begining of the other sledge hammer vids..??? Gee, it sure seems like a lot of work to set it all up but it is worth it. I sure do enjoy watching them!
xtremearmor 2 months ago
That's hilarious. PFI dad planted and seed and the roots took... Gotta watch out for those old guys... They never want to run, they'll give you a thousand reasons in hopes
One will get them out of it.
Knifehole 2 months ago
Kinda late but I have a better idea, I think.
For those who don't want to run, bring out a punching ball.
Yes, seriously.
There are many models that would fit in your vehicle just fine.
The "I don't want to run" is mental imo. If you make them punch their blood will rise just as well but they won't complain because what man complains about punching stuff.
Right?
How long depends on the bag ofc.
Xarcas 3 months ago
I love your sledge runs. Maybe you can run it a little bit differently, like incorporating a dummy drag, construct/erect a barricade. Simulate FTF with random dummy rounds. I'm not sure, but anything that can help you prepare your body and skills is a good thing.
dogshmog 3 months ago
I'm looking forward to Beretta releasing the ARX. The SCAR looks like a great gun too but the ARX looks like a real winner to me.
I'm still ashamed of Bushmaster for what they did with the ACR. Magpul should have teamed with another company.............Like Bravo Company or something.
oldannyboy37 3 months ago
Oh, and put me down for more shooting and less running. You make me tired just watching. :)
Sturmgewehre 3 months ago
@Sturmgewehre Your awesome, I love it when two of my favorite channels get along.
icecoffeeenthusiast 3 months ago
@icecoffeeenthusiast Thanks man. I'm a long time subscriber of Nutnfancy's. He was doing reviews before reviews were cool on Youtube. :) I always check out his new vids.
Sturmgewehre 3 months ago
@Sturmgewehre lol, yeah, he's great.
icecoffeeenthusiast 3 months ago
Here I was thinking that the ARX160 might actually be here since it's been a year since it showed up at SHOT. But you're right, what gives? Can't wait to hear what the Beretta guys have to say this year at SHOT.
Sturmgewehre 3 months ago
never really thought of the aches and pains after the fun, thanks for all the hard work nutn, keep it up
BigSean1992 3 months ago
How bout more shooting and more running to weed out the weak.
FearNoEvil556 3 months ago
yes, I do envy you getting to do all the run an guns, at the same time, i know it doe's get old.
1911aces 3 months ago
have you tried the "short trigger" version of the sig p250? I think I saw something about that on their website
judofry 3 months ago
you look skinnier nutn. everything okay or just a lot of running around?
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Digging these behind the scenes talks. Just throw a 5 hour energy in your ammo bag, you'll be fine : )
CampfireTalk 3 months ago
There's never anybody else around when you go shooting, how far away from civilization do you go?? Wish I had a place like that to go shooting, well...and a crew like that!
porsche4786 3 months ago
I love these types of videos. It's full of behind the scenes information.
JERMBUGS 3 months ago
He drives two hours before he even starts all this work, and then two hours back. My respect for these videos just increased.
shanergulley 3 months ago
Love the vids seeing you guys behind the action. More shooting is always a great alternative. TNP keeping it real. Keep it up guys!
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@nutnfancy "thumbs up" this post if you want the ARX-160 to come to the US. Maybe Beretta will see the desire and get the funding going.
arfcomaddict 3 months ago
I got an e-mail back from Kel-Tec the other day! The KSG will be out in the end of 2011 in a small quanity, and many more in 2012! I hope to be lucky enough to get one by 2013! Thanks for all the work!
Gunnut226 3 months ago
Nutn, you're looking skinny bro!
I'd love to run the sledge!
GadgetsNGear 3 months ago
@nutnfancy I think less running between stations is better - less time to think between them. You can't mentally "catch your breath" before you have to start shooting again.
SmokingSevens 3 months ago
This is another point in the project where I see you guys grow and learn to change your guys system for the better of the project. Glad to see videos like this with the trademark honesty of TNP.
Also are you planning on doing a review on the Troy battlemag?
TheSquirrel1986 3 months ago
I loved this "sit-down" with nutn and friends. Brilliant marketing. It was a nice little window into the real-life planning of TNP.
Apart from that, I agree, the runs should be more about the guns, and less about whether or not the shooters can run a sub 4.3 fifty in a full loadout.
sabr686 3 months ago
A shorter course would be cool as long that you ad more target put 15 or 20 target wit 1 or 2 shot per target bam bam NEX bam bam NEX bam bam NEX target that would be sweet.
patdud1979 3 months ago
Key to a higher level of testing: more heat in the guns. It'll cost more but give important data points.
903lew 3 months ago
Me and a buddy are still waiting for our Park. top and O.D. bottom PF9s!! You guys crack me up. I'll never pretend I wouldn't be wore out after a day of sledge... :-)
RebelSapper 3 months ago
loved this short vid. u guys are the funniest. lol
philmoonn 3 months ago
Sucks about not getting the money back bro. It's not like they can't afford a freakin' tax write off.
Doing great in keeping the weight down Nutn. After awhile it just starts literally melting off as you keep active.
74Hobbes 3 months ago
Larger course...seems you're testing the shooters more than the guns. Suppose the other gear gets tested though of course.
NEWCLEARDAYS 3 months ago
Wheelchair? C'mon Nutn! How about a tactical Rascal with review?!
callmecamo2 3 months ago
Dude! You're dropping the weight!!!
Hope all is well!
TheAttackSalmon 3 months ago
Yeah I feel the pain now. I remember running the recon course 4 times in a row at Camp Pendleton and I was like man we dont have time for another? Now I mess around and do hardly anything and the next day its like people beat you with ball bats... Age sucks... doesnt help that I about destroyed my body in the Corp.
maloso1313 3 months ago
More running and more shooting.
JAEZAI1 3 months ago
Wow.... slam on Keltec! Chad,..... dude, own up and pay the bill, clean the slate!
MrHardPressed 3 months ago
Kel Tec "quality". And that's the issue... the quality and QC just lacks.
Everett07630 3 months ago
You're an advocate of refining systems, shorting the Sledge would be that kind of modification. Especially, with technology, sledge may be in for future facelifts per the prototype swanking healing targets tested in the Sunflower shoot . The sledge could have steel-like feedback within 100 yrds or even a advancing shoot similar to Firefight. The reference data loss will be a shame but is overcome-able. It's a win because it = more reviews. With all the support I have. Take care and God bless.
DesertEnvy 3 months ago
Yup Keltec really need to step up they,re game big time. Been waiting for the RMR30 for a while.
mcafee1971 3 months ago
1st Love the talking vid.. funny, interesting, good info >> more of those please. =D
2nd Why not make up a new course instead of changing the current?
3rd What shirt is PFIdude wearing? It's pretty cool.. I may have to head over to his website and pester him for details. >_o
4th and most important.. thank you for all your hard work guys.
markshmily 3 months ago
wow nutnfancy is a lot skinnier than i thought. i thought he'd be buffer. :O
theNICAguy 3 months ago
I'd love to run it
Thad be sweet
Atritionist 3 months ago
thumbs up for tactical back hair! PFi Dad is the man.
gordo608 3 months ago
Man, Nutn looks small without all gear on. A shorter course is great for systems that have less questions surrounding them. An AR variant will need less ringing out than an exotic offering, like a FS2000, Ruger Gunsite, etc. Standardizing the round count would make the tests more usable. If every gun did 25 rounds with 3 mag changes the running would become less important. ]
catching45 3 months ago
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Remove some running and add some pushups... that'll jack with your upper body muscle groups and grips to make up for less cardio distress.
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stewie84 3 months ago
Man lots of running in your project. Keep up the great work. Thanks for all the great reviews.
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bigdogshowto 2 months ago
love these off the cuff videos, like the Allie update with TD's triad system. Keep it up!
baron1c 3 months ago
man i love the open desert where alot of tnp takes place... stupid kentucky where i live is completely treeless... i love this video!
bajabeast2008 3 months ago
Nice!
oyarrito 3 months ago
The choice is totally up to y'all and what procedure/time restraint allows. Y'all know to keep the stress levels up and heart rate to push the shooter. Do what you gotta do. THanks for sharing the conversation/debate!
ArmedVegan 3 months ago
Many hands make light work... You need more dummies.... Helpers to do the running...NO I am not offering. Spectator only.The vids are wonderful.. It is your aches and pains-your decision. Keep up the fantasic job.
oldmanr101 3 months ago 5
I've been a TNPer for a while, but I don't think I've ever caught how you and PFI met...
Can you shed some light?
7heFlyingDutchman 3 months ago
I say keep the Sledge as it is. It's perfect. You NEED the distance to give the human variable in there. Yeah, you can test guns in all the perfect, unstressed conditions you want but lets be honest, when you actually USE them, and when you need to RELY on them - chances are the situation isn't going to be under laboratory conditions.
Nutn, the run is PERFECT as it is. From my, 'viewers POV' of course.
Smith28Adventure 3 months ago
There is an old adage in rock climbing: you can push your gear or you can push your ability, but its not a good idea to push both at the same time. From a gear review point of view, the emphasis should be on the durability and performance level of the product, and less so on the human doing the testing. Just my opinion.
TheFlamethrowerGuy 3 months ago
your videos are the most scientific reviews available. if you change it the variables its less of an accurate experiment. keep it the way it was man. i love TNP
lordmegamatt 3 months ago
Tired shooting equals less justice to the gun and therefore reduces your control line for your experiment. you need consistency to truly compare quality and performance.
gohmachine 3 months ago
You could run less. I would like to see you doing GROUPS DRILLS though
Uri24 3 months ago
Great vid as always bro....been thinking about trying that sig 250 for a while
87GUNNUT 3 months ago
Awesome vid Nutn, I liked seeing some of the thought and interactions behind the TNP camera...very cool....
rickpayne90 3 months ago
I'm thinking keep the sledghammer the same and make a "sledghammer2" or different run that focus's on keeping the guns hot.
themerrygambit 3 months ago
Makes sense to shorten it, I think. Like you said, you'll have time to run more guns, and do so with better energy and focus throughout the day. I'm for it.
TheLateBoyScout 3 months ago
Ball Pein hammer drill!
luke812 3 months ago
Why not have a sledgehammer long and short?
ajgsxr 3 months ago
What cammo pattern is PFI dads tactical back hair?
Warsign01 3 months ago
Shorten course and finish with 3 shots at 300 yards.
madrid556 3 months ago
I like these clips you should do these more often. Shorten it, for the amount of runs yall do. It would represent the weapon system better., but maybe add a target or two. With the distance between targets your testing yourself more than the weapon system. How your perform under stress with the system. Which isn't a bad thing either.
fisher7654 3 months ago
Nutn, if you need volunteers for the sledge, count us in!
MondernoVids 3 months ago
i feel like you should keep it the same. theres a reason its called sledge, its supposed to knock ya.
HellenicPandemic 3 months ago
Oh, and remember if you decrease the running and increase the shooting, it's going to cost you more in ammo :\
JeepWranglerIslander 3 months ago
How bout you bring in some younger guys with more stamina to run it for you ;P
JeepWranglerIslander 3 months ago
If it aint broke dont fix it.
PizzaAndFirearms 3 months ago
had a thought, name the course new sledge hammer and old one dread hammer.
vu223 3 months ago
It keeps you guys in shape; that has value.
WildAZbill 3 months ago
Funny.....your getting old.
ratride1 3 months ago
Tactical back hair!
mastakyle04 3 months ago
why dont you make one big course but with subtests,like running and shooting,just shooting mixed it up so you can test everything but in a one stable course
alukardFE 3 months ago
Correct me if I'm wrong...but you're getting roughly a 50/50 mix of personal stamina /systems integration on a personal level and how those various parts of the system (LBE, weapons, holsters, slings, etc) work with someone who is approaching exhaustion. Correct? Anyone can reload a weapon, transition to pistol, clear jams...etc from a firing line. The problem is when you stretch the course out...you're favoring the personal stamina test more than the equipment side of the testing. Shorten it
fataugie 3 months ago
Why do none of the run and guns have a stab drill. Like empty your main platform, then your hand gun into different range targets, then dispatch one more bad guy with your knife. Knife guy here. And handguns.
DavidTanisDreams 3 months ago
What about shortened courses of fire based purely on POU's (e.g. mixing & matching different types of parameters)...these data points can then be "approximated" into larger sequences/data points without having to actually run the Sledgehammer Course "Proper." It's kind of like the concept of psycho-acoustics (I believe) used in the design of the mp3 music file (and its variants)--only the pertinent frequencies are grouped together to give the ears a high quality rendition of the actual sounds...
IntTransModel11 3 months ago
Shorten the course and simply convert the distance to centimeters ;-)
jackeatsfish 3 months ago
I am going to invent a best TNP video of the year award and nominate this one.
ironheadgram 3 months ago
tactical backhair :)) lol , the course? who cares :) as long as you go and do your thing :) and damn about that ammo with Chad.. cool vid&thumbs up, love this at least as much as the shootin' :)
maczuka 3 months ago
I'd like to run it someday.
knightlike101 3 months ago
i live down the street from Kel-Tec i will go slap chad in the back of the head for you and get your money for you PFI ps.love this little video's
lordenormas 3 months ago 22
I guess that's the first time I see Nutn wearing a t-shirt LOL)))
kvs1978 3 months ago
@NaxTactical yup as gay as it gets sister.
Melie1111 3 months ago
I vote for shorter courses, less running and more shooting. Also I like the idea of running downhill at times.
gadgetstalker2 3 months ago
shorten it yo. If it keeps you guys happier doing it, it'll keep the project going with high spirits.
nwtipton 3 months ago
I think shortening the sledge would be cool...more shooting. You can still get your heartrates up but not be as drained and get in more shooting and keep it fun for the guys. I find the scores interesting as a "hey I beat your score" thing but don't really take them into account in the reviews because too much of a human factor. The Kel-Tech issue makes me kinda want to return my PF9...what the heck are they doing over there?
GoldenP51 3 months ago
I vote yes for the "Jeriatric-Sledge".
socal2127 3 months ago
whynot make a new course?
chizittle 3 months ago
I'll never get to go on a shoot ..... makes me feel like I'm there. Thanks! ....... Roll Tide
OutdoorChautauqua 3 months ago
Have to agree with condensing the course a little. Nice vid though.
MrXDfan 3 months ago
love the inside look!
martywhitevan 3 months ago
I get that you want to maintain a standard, and all the running is to elevate your stress to make it a more field worthy assessment, but you have to keep it enjoyable for yourself and your crew, or what's the point.
jimpj65 3 months ago
pfi dude looks good. no homo haha
aus1092 3 months ago
@aus1092 You know, i was thinking the same thing. Handsome dude, nothing gay about that bro.
RENOGUY777 3 months ago
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aus1092 3 months ago
Maybe it's just me but the times always seemed sorta arbitrary anyway. I always viewed the Hammer and other setups as just gun demonstration and testing. Trying to compared speeds between makes really wasn't something that seemed relevant. Too much of a human element involved. Love the vids though. Thanks.
StokeThis 3 months ago
I agree with one of the lower comments about using established drills. Great vids btw. Keep it up.
Brhine82 3 months ago
These videos are great, what are you going to do for the 1000 th video, how about a machine gun video, put a m134 minigun in the 1000 vid, shoot the big sandy machine gun shoot in Arizona?
Kirk284831 3 months ago
You could do one of two good runs with the regular sledgehammer so you can get a good time. But then for regular usage, just to test the guns, have the shortened, less draining run.
corensam 3 months ago
Maybe just a little less running, But if you shorten it too much you might as well set up an ipsc course, I think it is set up pretty good right now, Personal preference though but as far as I am concerned the video could be a 7 hour long sheep dog philosophy vid and I am perfectly happy, Everything that Nutnfancy makes is fantastic! Long Live TNP!!!
CalcityAirsoft 3 months ago 28
After you modify Sledge, upgrade to 720HD video !
Thanks !
Bulwark1911 3 months ago
Not diggin the new commercials...
davidrf911 3 months ago
I love seein' the reviews on The Hammer. I say if you are more likely to do Hammer reviews, made it shorter.
It's great to get behind the scenes. I'd like to see a short "setting up the hammer" video as well.
drexotic 3 months ago
5 o'clock at night that is when you know your old lol
stupidcriket2 3 months ago
while I luv the run n' guns and gear reviews.. "behind the scenes/slice of life" vids like this are SUPER... only thing missing is Allie T.M.D.....any backpacking/adventure vids w/ LastSuspect or Tac-Doodle on the way (I'm hoping Allie recovers to go soon too)?
thank you (and crew..btw where's Sadly Missing.. he's living up to his name) for the vids and TNP !!!
Hhound 3 months ago
ouch calling out kel-tec but hey truth hurts they need to step up with their manufacturing capacity no doubt
ethr95awd 3 months ago
these vids always make me wanna get out to the desert and shoot...but then i remember that im flat out broke and cant afford to put lead through my guns lol
vince45chapin 3 months ago
@vince45chapin Maybe you will think this sounds gay, but concider making a replica airsoft gun of your firearm. Take a look at Travis Haley's channel: /user/HaleyStrategic
He made a video named Airsoft X Training.
NaxTactical 3 months ago
Nut'n you and the crew have hit a great point: A "CAD station" rendering is "NOT" a functioning weapon ... never will be. There is a reason we need apprenticeship programs in all phases of engineering and design. Great video!
SPIN091163 3 months ago
This is really simple; Companies that jerk their vendors around are usually even worse with their employees. Until it is publicly confirmed that both PFI AND Chad have been reimbursed for their expenses, my money goes elsewhere. It sounds like their desk jockeys need to take a refresher course in standard accounting and business practices.
technician172 3 months ago
I enjoy these type of "behind the scenes" videos you do. I also really like your longer videos. You have taken a lot of flak lately it seems about the longer videos. I quite like sledgehammer, I don't mind the running...its only a few seconds before you are shooting again. I would totally understand wanting to shorten it though. I have done these types of drills albeit not as often as you. They are physically demanding as is set up/clean up.
rockcrawling43 3 months ago
remind me never to invite Kel-Tec to anything. sounds like the type of friend that steals drinks from you and then doesn't even throw some cash in for the cab ride home. LAAAAAMMMEEE!
goYankees19 3 months ago
Cool shades btw. What are they?
aerodip52 3 months ago
KEEP THE SLEDGE
aerodip52 3 months ago
Perfect suggestion from PFI on taking it to the next level. Have you thought about running some of the published drills that are out there now from the training community? MagPuls BSA, Viking Tactics 2-2-2, 1-5 drills, IDPA's classifier, etc.
SuperSetCA 3 months ago
i know this might be too much time, but would it possible to make 2 different kinds of sledgehammer, a shorter one with a higher round count to test accuracy and reliability, and a longer one (perhaps even longer than the existing sledgehammer) to test ergonomics and portability? seems like the two test would test the weapons better than one single test would.
fatmoxy 3 months ago
When me and a few friends finally tool up were going to set up a pistol-man course, than a rifle/pistol range.
Transitions and gear testing are less important as we can do that in airsoft.
Go ahead.....I dare you.
Wabaanimkii 3 months ago
run it in parts, like just handgun and then just rifle,
attainableapex 3 months ago
Awsome vid, this is a great view into the friendships that really form the project.
biggie1447 3 months ago
My impression of the sledge hammer drill was more about the philosophy of preparedness. It tested the weapons, but secondarily, if not primarily, it pushed the individual outside their comfort zone to familiarize the shooter with shooting under high stress. I've always admired that you put yourself up to that sort of challenge, but I understand wanting to keep things fresh.
steven458791 3 months ago
more sledge less sludge! get PFIDad an ATV to RideNGun
filmcostar 3 months ago
Shorten the sledge? Whats going to keep you guys in shape?
steven458791 3 months ago
boy you hit the ACR right on the head. where's our 6.8 at freedom arms?????
catfish013 3 months ago
Way to go PFI Dad!
iyn1911 3 months ago
It's Nutnfancy's fireside chat! =) Love seeing other people doing course analysis. It gives me fresh perspectives on improving my layout(s).
FrenziedManbeast 3 months ago
Nice to see the grunt work that goes into these courses
hutton1415 3 months ago
I think a shorter distance course with the same target distances and round counts would mean you have data you could still use from previous runs. Since each individual's fitness level/recovery rate are different a shorter course means they have less time to adjust between stations. Put a good heart pumping stretch at the front and just before the long shot. Other distances aren't as crucial, having to switch targets and weapons should keep their mindstate elevated. Expect to use more ammo ;)
DarkDeputy 3 months ago
NICE B.S. video with the fellas
ALWAYS great stuff.
LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE!!!
alonewcompany 3 months ago
For a second I thought I was watching an episode of the golden girls! Do not change the sledge, time to bring in Tactical Doodle and the young guns! All kidding around regardless whose running, always fun and informative to see.
ihikearoundcom 3 months ago
Nutn you need to get a four wheeler, to go set up the steel.
trustygun25 3 months ago
Evolving is a natural, positive thing, nothing stays the same forever! Sledgehammer mod 2!
rockenjoshy 3 months ago
Definitely shorten the sledge! More shooting is what the viewers want I guarantee it.
greenknifeguy 3 months ago
On the Kel Tec tip...they are just seriously overwhelmed. I live nearby and had to take my Pf9 (That I was already not happy with before it broke) in to the factory. The customer service was great (really great) but they had this attitude of "Oh yeah. That happens a LOT"...kinda scary. Their facility itself looks really ghetto too. I got a call from one of their engineers a week later to ask about all of the problems I had and he said that part of their problem...
jonnypescado1 3 months ago
@jonnypescado1 ...was having one CNC machine trying to do multiple parts. They have amazing people, service and designs but their systems are FUBAR, IMO. They can't even come close to matching QC with production demands. Anyhoo...just traded my Pf9 in on a S&W 669 and now I'm in LOVE. If it was a car it'd be a 60s Chevelle...Small, built like a tank but can suck the doors off of any car next to it. SAWC be damned! LOL I'd ask for a S&W 3G review series but they're getting expensive as it is!
jonnypescado1 3 months ago
I was going to buy a Kel Tec PF9, but after seeing some of my friends and the hassles they had sending back Kel Tec guns for quality problems I went with a different manufacturer. I don't need any of that trouble to deal with.
thom3456 3 months ago
good video nutn and veri keep up the great work
360steven 3 months ago
Great video. I like seeing the interaction of the crew.
srvvlhm 3 months ago
I totally agree about Kel Tec! And.. a shorter standardized course with more fire would def be a much better way to run it I think. I love the BS'n guys, keep up the great work!
Debodamus 3 months ago in playlist nutn
Sounds like a killer idea to me Nut'n, get some heat in those guns.
srberus 3 months ago
Interesting about Kel Tec. Been thinking of getting the PF9 but if that's how they treat their customers, I'm starting to question if that's the way I will go. Pay up Kel Tec.
conanrdk 3 months ago
@ nutnfancy I agree with andrewasaurus, although i enjoy watching you guys get your asses kicked by the sledge, you guys are there to run the guns. Heat'em up boys!!!! Rock on!
warddman 3 months ago
Hey Kel Tec, whats up! How about doing the right thing and reimburse PFI!!!!!!!
That's pretty weak if you dont.
Hey Nutn that was hilarious. The course shortening should be fine. It will allow more runs, more runs=more data. Though in the end the fatigue may be the same because you are doing the extra runs.
excxflyr 3 months ago
kel tec lol they better send ya some ammo
DieselMcBadass 3 months ago
We need to send Keltec a Mac, then we might be able to buy their guns at stores after being available : P Shorten it, or run faster, but not both!
1IdeaAhead 3 months ago
I’ve always thought the course was backwards. Most engagements start at distance then move in and if all is not going well you would transition to pistol. Why not run it backwards down the hill. Love the vids keep them coming.
kiddstuff1 3 months ago 22
Behind the scenes w/ friends. How great is that to see the progression of the TNP project.
pr4runner 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Brought a smile to my face
saigaish 3 months ago
i think running is good because it raises your heart beat and makes it more of a challenge. Great Vids :-D
PrinceAliification 3 months ago
That was fun to watch, thanks.
Optionsaregood 3 months ago
Neat video!
ArtisanTony 3 months ago
Sledge might be an ass kicker but...
if you had the money to support your shooting habit, and could do it routinely 2 days a week, it'd be one hell of a work out routine..
If anything, the cost of ammo would be the killer.
jdouglasfisher 3 months ago
I love videos like this... I'd love to see more of them. Kind of an impromptu video.
NorCalDustin 3 months ago
10:44 cell phone ring x-mit induced interference.
SparkDischarge 3 months ago