Obama on the wrong side of democracy again.

[Mostdef]

jesus was in the army?

[yoiuoisad]

WHAT?

[yoiuoisad]

Atleast you voted for him. This one gave an institutional coup. This president cut light, water and radios tha day of the coup, some are dead and other arrested.

[yoiuoisad]

you still dont get it? The new government got to power with a fake resignation by Zelaya, and the court just played along ignoring the laws that state a notary must sign the resignation, besides tha fact it is ilegal to quit a position of popular election. so then the new government and ocurt agree.

[Jugheadr2]

That's nothing, we have a president that does not qualify to hold the office because he was not born in our country.

We will through the man and his party out of office in the next two elections. It does not sound like your people are willing to do that because they don't want to become another Venezuela.

[yoiuoisad]

Some lawyers tried. Some are in jail and others got their licenses suspended.

[Jugheadr2]

Life is a bitch and then you die.

It is obvious that the court disagrees with you. And it appears that the lawyers case held no water with the interpretation of the constitution by the judicial system.

[yoiuoisad]

I see so when an american court says your contry is a monarchy you wont appose?

[Jugheadr2]

Judges routinely get impeached by our legislature here in America. Has the Honduran government done anything to even show that they had an objection to the courts action?

[yoiuoisad]

Jugheadr the constitution says the court cant give orders like that to the army and that only police can make arrests. It was illegal. Besides you cant extradict a Honduran.

[Jugheadr2]

yoiuoisad,

Why don't you take the court to court and sue them?

[3ratones]

If Jughead gets it why cant everybody else!!??

[yoiuoisad]

It is a fact that Zelaya commited several crimes but in no time he said that it was to change the part of the constitution that says a president can´t run for office more than once.

[yoiuoisad]

The best way to do things was to send the police to arrest him then send him to bay islands inside the country. That was Legal. Now lets see what laws those who deposed Zelaya Broke: 1) The criminal Code states that arrests can be only done by the police. ( Those who "arrested" Zelaya were soldiers)

[yoiuoisad]

Also the Honduran Constitucion states no Honduran can be expatriated against his will. Also his resignation card wasnt checked by a notary, only thing that would have been needed for tha congress to accept it, another mistake. On Honduras the position of "Presidencial Succesion" as those who deposed Zelaya have called it only exists in monarchies.

[yoiuoisad]

Also in the Honduran constitution the rights, such of that of free transit can only be suspended if a council of ministers declares siege state, ERROR: THEY DECLARED a curfew without declaring a siege state, the list goes on and on.

[Jugheadr2]

The Army carried out the orders of the court.

[yoiuoisad]

Jug yet the court isnt above the law, which clearly states the army cant arest. Still what about the rest of the violations of Honduran law?

[yoiuoisad]

What about the violence police used at protester? or the people who were shot during the protest? We had more than 20 years of military governments after Galvez and before that the 16 year dictadorship of Carias all of them were able to stand because of american support, any way the point is it has been to much.

[Jugheadr2]

The court interprets the law, not you.

The courts made the determination and in stands- get over it.

[yoiuoisad]

Jug it is clear besides technically (read the Honduran Constitution constitutional affairs are determined by the legislative body not the court) second before proceding to arrest on Honduran law you be called on to a court of law and have the right of "Presuncion de Inocencia" you are innocent until the oposite is proven. Other thing is the articles says only the police can make arrests. the ONLY THE POLICE can make arrests.

[yoiuoisad]

You see on the Honduran crimina law he could have been suspended during the trial that should have taken place, but never did. So another mistake, there was a legal way to do stuff and they didnt do it.

[Jugheadr2]

I repeat the court made an order to the Army and the Army carried it out. It also appears the legislative body went along with the court's diction.

[Jugheadr2]

By yoiuoisad

There is a problem the court didnt ask the legislative body formally first. The "arrest" was made before the order came out. If the Judicial Power says the country is a monarchy would it mean it is in fact a monarchy. " A

Honduran connot be extradicted" that is what the article states, No matter what the court says it is clear.

Pd: I cant reply on the comments section of the video id be glad if you posted my reply

[yoiuoisad]

Thanks

[REALHONDURAS]

right on! obama is on the wrong side!

[net2082]

Que dice este demente:?

afeitate criminal hijo de puta

[StinkingHombre]

Bravo to the men of the Honduran Army! They served their country in full honor!

[StinkingHombre]

Obongo just wants another Communist dictator, I sure hope he doesn't pull that shit over here.

[Kenor12]

You are correct Sr! I was born in Honduras, now live the U.S., voted for Obama but never again!!! Communism is on its way to the U.S. through latinamerica and Honduras is and unexpected rock...mountain in the their way. Thanks for posting.

[g3m1n1jd]

Hopefully Obama dies with Hillary Clinton. If Roberto Michelletti and the military were that bad then they would have killed Zelaya. But they didn't they let him live and sent him to Costa Rica in his pajamas. Dosen't America realize that Obama is joining forces with the Commies.

[mrttou]

Ohhh the confusion continues. Poison is right.

[powerone1]

dude you are a fucking loon, and a liar. Go cut that shit off your face, you freaking zz-top ass wipe.

[fc7alibi]

Obama's right. The problem is the way they did it was against the law. They fabricated President Zelaya's resignation letter and didn't follow the due process that it takes to impeach a President. If we believe in democracy and give any value to constitutional order Zelaya must be reinstated. Personally, I think he's an idiot and wasn't really looking out for the best interests of the nation but the way he was given the sack was a slap in the face to all those who still have faith in laws.

[HNlibre]

In a nutshell... your post is 90% accurate. As a Honduran, I thank you for explaining today's events. People are not being shot in the streets, I personally drove by the Presidential palace today and even though it is militarized, people are still moving about their business. Electricity was for a few hours but everything is "normal". Please, let everyone know that more than 80% of Hondurans DO NOT support former President Zelaya and are "relieved" that he is out of office.

[jakle52]

Que es lo que dices al rededor de ti talves la rason por que lo sacaron de poder fue por que el queria ser reelejido como asen en EE.UU. La mayoria de Honduras apoya este honbre. mira al toda centro America no ay ningun pais que no tenga un presidente de la Izquierda. Y si no das una respuesta se echa de ver que no eres de Honduras. o tal vez eres una nina rica que tiene su computadora de su papi.

[Anoners]

While I still believe the coup was an exaggerated move on the part of the military, and think Zelaya should be reinstated. (Parroting the same excuse as every nation, "he was elected democratically"). I despise the man, though. He broke the law on numerous occasions, He tried to change the constitution for his own personal gain by force, and ALWAYS plays the victim card, ever since his election days.

[snowbunnyj4]

you must not have read then, that the Supreme Court, Congress, and the Military all agree to his leaving.

[Anoners]

I did actually. And I know they were well within their rights to do so (See: Honduran Constitution, Title 7, Chapter 1, Article 373-374), but I still believe there could have been a more diplomatic way to handle it. While time consuming it may have been, a tribunal/impeachment procedure would have been politically preferred. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of the man getting the boot, but like I said the method they chose to deal with it was exaggerated.

[snowbunnyj4]

Well, I guess I just don't like the man at all and have no tolerance for people like Manuel, Chavez, or Castro. I was actually surprised that they didn't just take care of him then.

[powerone1]

how about the people? did they agree?

[snowbunnyj4]

Yes the majority of the people of Honduras are now relieved that Maunel is gone! I have talked to many people who live in Honduras and only a couple of months, i was actually in Honduras. I have yet to talk to a single person who liked him.

[powerone1]

are you telling me that they don't have a mechanism of impeachment in Honduras that does not require them to bring out the troops?

[snowbunnyj4]

ahhh, I will have to get back to you on that one. I do not know too many of the specifics. You bring a very good question to the table.

[powerone1]

rather you like the man or not, using the army (given the history of that part of the world) to remove him, is a bad move. It has the potential to destabilize the region.

[snowbunnyj4]

I see what you mean about destabilizing the region, yet which out come would be better? Having him be president, breaking laws right and left and the potential for worse? Who knows. The Hondurans believed that Manuel didn't care about them. And you could see from parts of the country, new leadership was needed.

[powerone1]

The should have had an arrest warrant issued and served by civilian law enforcement officers and not get the military involved in the matter. This was not a well thought out move on their part.

[snowbunnyj4]

I have learned that things are not always that simple. I guarantee that it is way more complicated than that. It was a peaceful military maneuver, so I would think that they would have done it even more peacefully if they could have.

[powerone1]

peaceful or not, it is still the military. politically that is not a good thing. you have to see that.

[snowbunnyj4]

Politically, the President was not a good thing. Sometimes the military has to step in when times call for it.

[fc7alibi]

Yes and that is not only archaic but also illegal. Do you even know what you're talking about? Or is this just pure emotion being spewed for no reason at all?

[snowbunnyj4]

No, I can not claim to know the in's and out's of legal policies, but what I do know is the difference between right and wrong. Manuel being in power is wrong. The Honduran people took him out peacefully when they could have easily killed him. Castro and Chavez are very mislead. This, I know.

[qwertyman129]

If they wanted to remove Zelaya from power, he should have been impeached or put on trial. Even a criminal president deserves due process of law.

Having the military physically seize him in the middle of the night, force him out of the country, forge his resignation and beat protesters in the street is wrong. Zelaya should have been removed, but not like this.

The ends don't justify the means.

[StinkingHombre]

He did have due process of the law you imbecile!

He was allowed to serve his full term accordance with the Constitution of Honduras. Another term for him would be unconstitutional thus illegal as the supreme court of Honduras has ruled. Time for the tin pot dictator wannabe to vacate the office and move on with his life. He should be thanking his lucky stars that he wasn't shot! If he comes back looking to dismantle the Honduran Constitution I hope the army shots his ass dead!

[qwertyman129]

Zelaya's full term is supposed to end on January 27. Yes, another term would have been unconstitutional. Yes, he did seem to be violated that ruling.

I don't see the due process of law with the military breaking into his house at the crack of dawn, taking him, flying him out of the country, forging his resignation, arresting opposition leaders, cutting off electricity to the city and beating up protesters in the streets.

[StinkingHombre]

Would you prefer another Central American communist dictatorship?

[qwertyman129]

Logical flaw: false choice

There are plenty of options between "military coup' and "communist dictatorship." I've already said a couple (impeachment or tribunal). But what this coup has done is set up the possibility of a military dictatorship. And using the military to overthrow a democratically elected leader (even if he had violated the constitution) is pretty much never a good idea, especially if you haven't exhausted due process possibilities first.

[StinkingHombre]

What happened in Honduras was not a "military coup." The military was ordered by both the Honduran CONGRESS and Honduran SUPREME COURT to take him out, so how is that a military coup? He became an enemy of Honduras when he violated it's Constitution and rightfully so! The army did exactly what they where ordered to do and what they should have done! Hitler was Democratically elected too.

[qwertyman129]

It's a military coup because the military overthrew the government and installed their choice of leader. I've seen a report of one Supreme Court Judge giving an order to arrest Zelaya, but that order was produced only several days afterward.

Again, Congress should have gone forward with an impeachment procedure and at least allowed Zelaya due process.

[StinkingHombre]

I don't believe that, the reports that I have been hearing say that the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court ordered the army to remove him not that the army acted unilaterally. I need to ask you what your sources are?

[qwertyman129]

NY Times, Leader's Ouster Not a Coup, Says Honduran Military, Marc Lacey, July 1.

If the military's lawyers were going to make their case to the international press about the legality of their action, and they had been ordered to do so by Congress, they damn well would have said that Congress ordered them to act. Instead, they have an order by one SC Justice that hadn't been mentioned before.

[StinkingHombre]

OK, enough is enough, I am forced to call bullshit on you here! Zelaya was lawfully IMPEACHED by the Congress, Supreme Court & Attorney General of Honduras. The military was ordered to remove him, they did not act unilaterally nor did they "install the leader of their choice." The Honduran Congress appointed an interim President Roberto Micheletti. Again I ask you... How is this a MILITARY COUP? You are more full of shit then a dirty diaper.

[qwertyman129]

When did Congress impeach him? What is YOUR source for that? The Congress voted in Micheletti only after Zelaya had been removed, the foreign minister and other officials arrested, and a forged letter of resignation produced.

The military deposed a democratically elected president! Even if ordered to by another branch of government, that is a military coup BY DEFINITION.

[StinkingHombre]

The Washington ComPost!

[StinkingHombre]

Two posts ago you where blabbering how the Honduran Military "installed the leader of their choice." Now your talking shit about questioning his impeachment. I am running out of patience for you ObongoTard. I think your a Commie Pinko bastard in disguise just like your hero Chocolate Jesus. You're a wiggly worm and I'm finished with your bullshit.....asshole!

[qwertyman129]

Calling me names doesn't make your argument any better. Washington Post doesn't have any stories about Zelaya being impeached, nor does the NY Times, nor does the BBC.

You asked me to back up my assertion, and I gave you an exact story, source and date. I ask you to back up your assertion, and you call me names.

[StinkingHombre]

Yea and denial isn't only a river in Egypt either ObongoTard! Washington Post article By Alvaro Vargas Llosa

Wednesday, July 1, 2009; 5:49 PM

You asshole! You wiggle from one excuse to the next, why can't you just admit the truth? Chocolate fucking Jesus owns your silly ass and your soul.

[qwertyman129]

Ahaha, did you not read the article?

"This is the context in which the military, in an ill-advised move that turned a perfectly legal mechanism for stopping Zelaya into a coup, expelled the president"

[StinkingHombre]

Who's side are you on anyhow? Do you want another Central American communist dictator? Just say so and I would understand.

[qwertyman129]

You're the one supporting the military seizing and removing the lawfully elected President, forging his resignation, arresting other officials, cutting off power to the capital city, beating protesters in the street, and then only days later presenting a case in which their support is the order of a single Supreme Court Justice.

I would have no problem removing Zelaya from power if there had been due process of law. This was not due process; thus I have a problem with how this was done.

[qwertyman129]

Siding against democracy? I don't remember any vote to elect Micheletti as President. I don't remember any form of due process to remove a lawfully and democratically elected President from power.

P.S. When you're calling somebody dumb on their own profile, make sure to spell dumb correctly!

[StinkingHombre]

Jesus H Christ you asshole! It's still a breaking story, the Honduran Government may have had reason for concern that he would violently oppose the lawful impeachment. They should be given a day or two to explain themselves no? Who's fucking side are you and Obongo on anyhow? Why are you siding with the Communists against democracy? You're a twisted fucking asshole!

[qwertyman129]

Did you not read the several times that I've said that it sounds like a good idea to remove Zelaya from power? I just think that military coup is the wrong way to do it. Actually, the quote from the article you referred to me in support of your assertion that Congress actually impeached Zelaya (doesn't say that) that I posted expresses my opinion pretty well. This went from what could've been an orderly removal process to an unlawful coup, even if Zelaya had violated the Constitution.

[StinkingHombre]

You're buying into the anti-Christ's line of shit hook, line & sinker. Now go away and bother somebody else you piece of garbage.

[StinkingHombre]

Fucking retard - a Military Coup is when the military acts unilaterally and a general seizes power.... That is the definition FUCKTARD! Shut the fuck up already you slimy commie scumbag!

[Jugheadr2]

Heck they can't even find out where the first $600,000,000,000 of our stimulus money went. But of course they good at working in out of the way hotel rooms.

[jakle52]

Dum ass the President was taken out of power because He was a Leftist. And Yes their is People getting shot in the streets.

[Jugheadr2]

Do some reading it won't cause you to go blind.

[jakle52]

Dude thats the most undemocratic thing ever that an Elected President gets kiked out by force. You will see most people online from honduras supporting what you say but try to remember Honduras is a 3rd World country The poor don't have computers. only the rich which support the Military their always just looking in their own interest not that of the poor. This guy all he wanted to do was illuminate American Companies from his country.

[NAZIONCAPORAL]

Obama only denied, what is obvious, The CIA is the real operator.