"so my advice to the marketing department of some great corporation who wants to show you how cutting edge they are is that instead of using holahop atoms they should include balloon animals in their corporate logos!" - Well said and I totally agree.
So if an electron is negatively charged and a proton positive, why are the electrons buzzing around the nucleus in a cloud? Why aren't they attached to the protons? Are these positive and negative charges analogous to two sides of a magnet?
@buttwang That's the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force. The reason why atom nuclei don't explode because of the repulsion made by the protons.
Wouldn't the hoola hoop atom be more of what an atom really IS though. It isn't like the electron is in more than one place. It is just that we cannot calculate/determine exactly where it is.
It does give the misconception that it orbits like planets do though...
atoms may not look like that anymore but the hula hoop model is what people would immediately connect with atoms. just imagine seeing a website for science whose logo looks like the balloons he just showed us. it would make it look like a website for clowns
The Bohr-Summerfeld Atom technically represents one possible state of the orbital clouds, no?
I mean, the s-orbital is a sphere and it can take 2 electrons. So technically those two dots on the two hoolahoops can still be the electrons and the hoops themselves represent a one in a quadrillion chance of a path it has taken in the last few pictoseconds.
At least if we keep in mind that it is only one state of the probability solution the orbitals predict.
The classical model is so much easier to explain though. I like the way it can lead to further discussion and how the person interested should do a physics degree.
@rrrwarrior44 As long as you remember that it's like drawing a circle with a line and 2 dots in it (aka happy face) and saying that it's a portrait of your girlfriend; the easy way...
Furthermore, the part where he says that electrons cannot exist here is somewhat wrong. The probability of existing at the place he said it wouldn't is specifically non-zero, but very close to it. The cloud we draw represents a 95% chance of finding an electron there. The other 5% exists outside that cloud, and extends to infinity.
Great point but that average person is not that smart and the logo has become sort of a past time to the original fundamentals of science not the actual meaning behind it
What about f-orbitals? I know that their "shells" can hold up to 50 electrons and that their structure, or am I wrong? What are they shaped like! Excuse me if I'm wrong, I just learnt this from AS Chemistry. :)
@1veritasium Thanks, funny and I've learned something. Could you maybe explain Planck's constant now? Because I don't get that I was still stuck with the hula-model.
@area51l You probably learned something similar. Anyway I wouldn't say they rock. Learning about the model gradually makes it easier to grasp for many.
@GoliathGunner Think of the energy levels like Russian dolls (only spherical) and the electrons can move anywhere in that level, so there are several clouds layered representing the energy levels
@GoliathGunner Leaps are a result of electrons 'jumping' from a ground state(lower orbital) to a higher orbital, which is what he showed when he broke down the electron cloud.
@GoliathGunner The cloud of electrons IS the fixed distance. on the diagrams, for easier understanding, we have them drawn on a single dimension orbits, where as in quantum reality, they could be in any point in that cloud in any given time.
and I say this on the basis of absolutely nothing, more of a logical conclusion than a scientific one. :/
@GoliathGunner - each electron has a quantized energy when jumping levels that corresponds with a specific wavelength. it's with these wavelengths we can determine the probability of an electron's distance from the nucleus. it's within that distance from the nucleus it can reside, in the 'cloud', or area. different energy levels have different clouds. i encourage you to watch this playlist: user/Best0fScience#p/c/3616E1D708E27C42/0/B7pACq_xWyw
@GoliathGunner lol they r a fixed distance from the nucleus which is the energy level, so if ur a fixed distance u can still move around with that radius to make sphere
@GoliathGunner They are just models, or theories. In 15 years there is gonna be a new different model, science is always advancing and making old models obsolete.
@GoliathGunner it's a model based on a probability distribution (statistics). There is no way to know the position of an electron, so we view it based on it's probability density (the probability of it being in a specific area of the orbiting region), that's as accurate as we can go. Science uses models "based" on reality, they are best guess and great explanations for data, but they are not what "really" goes on.
@GoliathGunner As @Pyjamas22 said, anyone who studied chemistry in high school would know that. The electrons can be anywhere in the cloud, hence the mentioning of quantum mechanics. Although, they need a certain energy to reach farther points in space. That doesnt mean they have to be at a fixed distance from the nucleus, they just need energy to get further and further away
@GoliathGunner you thought wrong :) the electrons can only have a certain energy at any given time not a certain distance from the nucleus, you see the energy of the electron is what the quantic leaps translate and the distance to the nucleus can change because of the interaction with other electrons. for your vision to be correct all electrons would have to be standing still
@GoliathGunner the cloud is where the electrons reside relative to the nucleus. there is no actual cloud its just fuzzy under a microscope and looks like a cloud. it looks that way because the electrons are moving so fast. if you were to cut the cloud in half you should see different levels of the cloud that the electrons are fixed in and they can jump to when energized, each level of the cloud can be thought of as spheres within spheres. it would almost look like the layers of the earth
@GoliathGunner What is quantized is the propability distribution. An electron can be anywhere on the cloud, so the cloud is the probability distribution.
@GoliathGunner when it gets kicked up a notch it gets moved into a higher cloud that's further from the nucleolus. it doesn't want to be there. it wants to be closer.
@GoliathGunner The "cloud" is because we can't really be sure where an electron is at any given time. Think of the Schrodinger's problem. So, instead of just depicting one electron at a given position, scientists present a probability cloud of electrons around the nucleus. The orbitals are still there, it's just that, the atoms can't be pin-pointed. :)
@GoliathGunner It's a bit tricky, cause each level has different orbitals. The first level has one orbital s, the second level has orbital 2s and 2p, the third level has orbitals 3s, 3p and 3d, the fourth has orbitals 4s, 4p, 4d and 4f. Every level from the fourth up have orbital s p d and f. The orbital have to be complete before passing to the next one, and all the orbitals on a level have to be complete to pass to the next level.
@GoliathGunner there in fixed shells but cloud represents the area that the electrons could posibly be in because they dont follow a specific track around that nucleus and the distancefrom the nucleus can change say if a photon of energy is added then the electron will move up a shell
i still cant wrap my head around molecular physics, i can read about it all i weant, but its so hard for me to get perspective and understanding on how small things get :/
What about f orbitals? :o
McMuffin989 4 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
WHAT'S THE SONG AT 1:03!!!?
KidWonder101 2 weeks ago
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KidWonder101 2 weeks ago
what is the name of the hula hoop music?
RJHEllis 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
"so my advice to the marketing department of some great corporation who wants to show you how cutting edge they are is that instead of using holahop atoms they should include balloon animals in their corporate logos!" - Well said and I totally agree.
Lemenks 3 weeks ago
Pure win
VellianoRosso 3 weeks ago
So if an electron is negatively charged and a proton positive, why are the electrons buzzing around the nucleus in a cloud? Why aren't they attached to the protons? Are these positive and negative charges analogous to two sides of a magnet?
buttwang 1 month ago
@buttwang
Because of neutrons
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@buttwang That's the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force. The reason why atom nuclei don't explode because of the repulsion made by the protons.
t3thethird 1 month ago
@buttwang Part of it is that the electrons are so fast that they never fall into the nucleus (just like satellites v=d57C2drB_wc).
capefeather 4 weeks ago
Wouldn't the hoola hoop atom be more of what an atom really IS though. It isn't like the electron is in more than one place. It is just that we cannot calculate/determine exactly where it is.
It does give the misconception that it orbits like planets do though...
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@TheCaphits actually the electron is in more than one place
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@bohmej
Quantum superposition? (I don't know much about physics, hence the question mark)
inverseactuality 17 hours ago
atoms may not look like that anymore but the hula hoop model is what people would immediately connect with atoms. just imagine seeing a website for science whose logo looks like the balloons he just showed us. it would make it look like a website for clowns
1206549 1 month ago
The Bohr-Summerfeld Atom technically represents one possible state of the orbital clouds, no?
I mean, the s-orbital is a sphere and it can take 2 electrons. So technically those two dots on the two hoolahoops can still be the electrons and the hoops themselves represent a one in a quadrillion chance of a path it has taken in the last few pictoseconds.
At least if we keep in mind that it is only one state of the probability solution the orbitals predict.
Razzfazz87 1 month ago
The classical model is so much easier to explain though. I like the way it can lead to further discussion and how the person interested should do a physics degree.
nixs88 2 months ago
very true... lol
Akandos 3 months ago
the cameraman gave me a bloody headache with his zooming
MrPuppyDrool 3 months ago
Why no balloon shape for the f orbital? That would have been really impressive...
alpinewhite85 3 months ago
HEY DERRICK.
THIS IS SIMON. WE WATCHED THIS IN CLASS. :D
SimonkeyFish 3 months ago
i eat atoms for breakfast!..o wait :/
mcnugett 3 months ago
this reminds me of Jimmy Neutron lol
divadavid07 3 months ago
We only draw it like that because it is easier
rrrwarrior44 3 months ago
@rrrwarrior44 As long as you remember that it's like drawing a circle with a line and 2 dots in it (aka happy face) and saying that it's a portrait of your girlfriend; the easy way...
Eldroth666 3 months ago
Man, your channel is amazing!
arthurtm13 3 months ago 10
Can anyone tell me the song that starts at 1:13 or at least the genre of the song?
MultiRationale 3 months ago
so draw it then! yeah you cant, can you, too hard basket aye, 1920's for LIFE
stuch11 3 months ago
the chick is cute
1Jupe 3 months ago
learn to focus!!!
enheri 3 months ago
Yes, but it seems harder and more confusing to attempt to draw a cloud (or balloon animal) on a chalkboard than the nice little orbits.
terralynn9 3 months ago
I like more the hula hoop atom
Arghira 3 months ago
grow bigger veritasium GROW
Arghira 3 months ago
with so many atoms in the universe, how can anyone doubt the existence of GOD?
cssftw100 3 months ago
1:22 boobies!
philsense 3 months ago 19
@philsense nucleus nipple
SonnOfNeil 3 months ago
11 people couldnt handle the truth
vestraya 3 months ago
Furthermore, the part where he says that electrons cannot exist here is somewhat wrong. The probability of existing at the place he said it wouldn't is specifically non-zero, but very close to it. The cloud we draw represents a 95% chance of finding an electron there. The other 5% exists outside that cloud, and extends to infinity.
Yamibakeru 3 months ago
That's all true but schools didn't tell me this untill I got into College.
ZHX1138 3 months ago
why is there a nipple on the page at 1:25?
rthrbcurling 3 months ago
what is the music with the candlestick telephone?
thund3rpantiez 3 months ago
he looked a lot with the sham wow guy
eusebiofteles 3 months ago
I remember learning this in Chemistry 11.
trainer3241 3 months ago
Great point but that average person is not that smart and the logo has become sort of a past time to the original fundamentals of science not the actual meaning behind it
maakjar 3 months ago
Loved his rant. And your rocking the hula hoop was a special add-on.
Zeyev 3 months ago
Is he rocking Movember?
Winnydogg 3 months ago
The camera focus is really distracting.
Joshjames17 3 months ago
This man is mad!!!
CrissPath 3 months ago
What about f-orbitals? I know that their "shells" can hold up to 50 electrons and that their structure, or am I wrong? What are they shaped like! Excuse me if I'm wrong, I just learnt this from AS Chemistry. :)
MainTottenhamMan 3 months ago
@1veritasium Thanks, funny and I've learned something. Could you maybe explain Planck's constant now? Because I don't get that I was still stuck with the hula-model.
Sic7777 3 months ago
whats the music in the background?
iamdarragh 3 months ago 3
hula!!!!
jaymayhoi 3 months ago
hmm your atom looks like boob
Happyfart69 3 months ago
most disturbing slow motion ending ever? I think so :)
onlyanton 3 months ago
balloons will make much better logos
putzamoale99 3 months ago
Huh. I never learnt atoms as hula hoops... guess my teachers rocked?
area51l 3 months ago
@area51l You probably learned something similar. Anyway I wouldn't say they rock. Learning about the model gradually makes it easier to grasp for many.
raydredX 3 months ago
Dude you have some serious jugular venous pressure going on there. Calm down or you're gonna blow!
WillMundt 3 months ago
Jimmy neutron is a lie...
So is Big Bang Theory intermissions...
So are......
DactaDork 3 months ago
CYMATICS FTW!!!
betacutter 3 months ago
So... the things I've learnt are:
1.Some electron orbitals look like calamari
2.That guy is terrible at hula hooping
godlikerefugee 3 months ago 2
1:21 Yeah boobies!
1:24 "We can chop it up, into a whole bunch of pieces"
And I was like 0-;
Bamshi101 3 months ago
BALLOONS! GENIUS!
NET1340 3 months ago
JIMMY NEUTRON LIED TO MEEEEE
Zuniis 3 months ago 61
Khan Academy thought me :D
Scykei 3 months ago
learned something new!!
neogunhero 3 months ago
Arturo trejo uses this song jajajaja
kikez619 3 months ago
Nice music
jee1shi 3 months ago
you know what ssad we still learn the hula hoop diagram as being the "latest diagram" in school (well in Canada anyways)
TheFightingFalconAce 3 months ago
I just learned all about this kinda stuff about a month ago in grade 11 chemistry :p
funkymacgee7 3 months ago
Dz^2 orbitals can go to hell. ;(
piprod01 3 months ago
what sort of sorcery is this?
dominionphoenix 3 months ago
Your a wizard harry
quiz0walkthroughs 3 months ago
the conclusion was kind of stupid. he still has a point, it's stupid to keep drawing the atom as we did 90 years ago
PlutonGB 3 months ago
we actually learned this is chemistry class this year
sillybillyjohnson 3 months ago
I knew this kinda, but I still think the ancient atom depiction logo looks cool
ErtomicV 3 months ago
lol i found this very interesting :)
shaytardsisthebest 3 months ago
like a BAWS
TheSuperErikShun 3 months ago
Why did i subscribe to your channel ?? damn i was high
RhythmOfDarkness 3 months ago
Nobody watches this videos since they got more anoying showing the ignorance of fiew people in australia...
Idkkeponer1 3 months ago
yah they do
owltalon97 3 months ago
Wait, I thought electrons could only be on a fixed distance from the nucleus, hence the quantic leaps between the different levels?
How could their be a ''cloud'' of electrons then?
GoliathGunner 3 months ago 18
@GoliathGunner Think of the energy levels like Russian dolls (only spherical) and the electrons can move anywhere in that level, so there are several clouds layered representing the energy levels
Hampenguin 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner no the cloud means how likely you are going to find a electron the thicker the cloud the more chance you are to find a electron
GreatCommunistEmpire 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner Leaps are a result of electrons 'jumping' from a ground state(lower orbital) to a higher orbital, which is what he showed when he broke down the electron cloud.
MidnightSnak 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner i think since their super duper fast, it would "look like" a cloud. :)
mosyemessy1988 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner The cloud of electrons IS the fixed distance. on the diagrams, for easier understanding, we have them drawn on a single dimension orbits, where as in quantum reality, they could be in any point in that cloud in any given time.
and I say this on the basis of absolutely nothing, more of a logical conclusion than a scientific one. :/
kopasamsu01 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner - each electron has a quantized energy when jumping levels that corresponds with a specific wavelength. it's with these wavelengths we can determine the probability of an electron's distance from the nucleus. it's within that distance from the nucleus it can reside, in the 'cloud', or area. different energy levels have different clouds. i encourage you to watch this playlist: user/Best0fScience#p/c/3616E1D708E27C42/0/B7pACq_xWyw
ladicius 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner its really a cloud of "probability" of finding the electrons, so they can reside in the cloud, but not between clouds.
sidewaysfcs0718 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner lol they r a fixed distance from the nucleus which is the energy level, so if ur a fixed distance u can still move around with that radius to make sphere
aremdrowplz 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner They are just models, or theories. In 15 years there is gonna be a new different model, science is always advancing and making old models obsolete.
victorm9003 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner it's a model based on a probability distribution (statistics). There is no way to know the position of an electron, so we view it based on it's probability density (the probability of it being in a specific area of the orbiting region), that's as accurate as we can go. Science uses models "based" on reality, they are best guess and great explanations for data, but they are not what "really" goes on.
schr4nz 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner As @Pyjamas22 said, anyone who studied chemistry in high school would know that. The electrons can be anywhere in the cloud, hence the mentioning of quantum mechanics. Although, they need a certain energy to reach farther points in space. That doesnt mean they have to be at a fixed distance from the nucleus, they just need energy to get further and further away
razveck 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner i tell you what ! you are wrong ! and he is wrong ! no 1 is right
msms47 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner you thought wrong :) the electrons can only have a certain energy at any given time not a certain distance from the nucleus, you see the energy of the electron is what the quantic leaps translate and the distance to the nucleus can change because of the interaction with other electrons. for your vision to be correct all electrons would have to be standing still
q1mera1 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner Its a probability density. Its where electrons are most likely to be found at any given time. Sixty Symbols is your friend.
TheNotDone 3 months ago 2
@GoliathGunner Those fixed distances are the fixed average distances.
raydredX 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner the cloud is where the electrons reside relative to the nucleus. there is no actual cloud its just fuzzy under a microscope and looks like a cloud. it looks that way because the electrons are moving so fast. if you were to cut the cloud in half you should see different levels of the cloud that the electrons are fixed in and they can jump to when energized, each level of the cloud can be thought of as spheres within spheres. it would almost look like the layers of the earth
not2stupidguitar 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner What is quantized is the propability distribution. An electron can be anywhere on the cloud, so the cloud is the probability distribution.
ertyxtras 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner when it gets kicked up a notch it gets moved into a higher cloud that's further from the nucleolus. it doesn't want to be there. it wants to be closer.
gimlic 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner The "cloud" is because we can't really be sure where an electron is at any given time. Think of the Schrodinger's problem. So, instead of just depicting one electron at a given position, scientists present a probability cloud of electrons around the nucleus. The orbitals are still there, it's just that, the atoms can't be pin-pointed. :)
jmattdai 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner It's a bit tricky, cause each level has different orbitals. The first level has one orbital s, the second level has orbital 2s and 2p, the third level has orbitals 3s, 3p and 3d, the fourth has orbitals 4s, 4p, 4d and 4f. Every level from the fourth up have orbital s p d and f. The orbital have to be complete before passing to the next one, and all the orbitals on a level have to be complete to pass to the next level.
1brotherAC 3 months ago
@GoliathGunner there in fixed shells but cloud represents the area that the electrons could posibly be in because they dont follow a specific track around that nucleus and the distancefrom the nucleus can change say if a photon of energy is added then the electron will move up a shell
josephwilliamcharles 3 months ago
too keen
chennyg1 3 months ago
i still cant wrap my head around molecular physics, i can read about it all i weant, but its so hard for me to get perspective and understanding on how small things get :/
jjtheslayer69 3 months ago
1:20 do you mean a boob????
1MJfollower 3 months ago
when I saw a picture of somone filming an electron, it looked like it just had hideously low framerate. Physics is based on that? O.o
rerere284 3 months ago
Anyone whose taken highschool chemistry knows this, the hoolahoop atoms are just a symbol representing the atom, not a literal depiction of one
Pyjamas22 3 months ago 45
@Pyjamas22 I learned that in middle school chemistry but still, your point is valid.
egganaut 3 months ago
@egganaut I learned most of it in middle school too, just stuff like s, p, d, f orbitals I learned in highschool
Pyjamas22 3 months ago
learned it already at class today im in grade 9
owltalon97 3 months ago
@owltalon97 teachers dont teach, liar
jjtheslayer69 3 months ago
Just learned about all of this orbitals and such. Why did you leave out the f-orbitals? They're important, too. :(
itsmanofpopsicle 3 months ago
pee pee
ivanx7 3 months ago
I kinda knew this
tanman1110 3 months ago
I did not know that. Thank you for the update.
ryukthekid 3 months ago
4th
azmudd1 3 months ago
cooooooollllllll
ThereIsAMole 3 months ago
so much zooming..
7373walker 3 months ago
This guy is way too enthusiastic :|
MrAesculapious 3 months ago
zero views?! am i rly first? cool :)
visitor44534 3 months ago