@Carrigan1lord Anything is technically possible. A better question would be: Is what you said PROBABLE? And the only way to answer that is to objectively evaluate the measurable evidence.
@bishop8000 If someone gave up their life for another, the underlying factor would be that this person valued the existence of the other above their own, which in turn would leave the person saved and alive weighing in that the person who gave their life up was measurable evidence and credibility. Somethings are not in textbooks and formulas. We cannot create a paradigm from our self-exaltation and personal relevancy that allows a redcarpet guest entrance for God.
@Carrigan1lord There's so much wrong with the logic of what you just said that I'm having a hard time responding. First, there's no evidence that Jesus was a real person, or was crucified, and even less that believing that changes anything in the real world. Second, allowing someone to be tortured forever if they don't believe in you or accept Jeezley weezley crawdad as your personal savior, is not love. It's a threat.
@bishop8000 I never mentioned Jesus...I'm merely saying that humans can impact other humans; especially If a human lays down their own life for someone else. Don't let Christianity concepts cloud you. I'm sure you've had a tough run in with religion. I'm not trying to make you angry and generalize things. I respect your questions and responses.
ok first of all god doesn't fucking exist and second, the big bang came from time. the big bang was the start of space. time was always there. time never starts or ends, think about it logically
It seems that the anonymity of YouTube Comment boards allow some people to be totally disrespectful to their fellow man. It's a shame really. The internet allows us a chance to talk and discuss matters of significance and instead it turns into a "yelling match" and name calling. The big questions of God and Creation should be the subject of rational discussion. Instead we are like chimpanzees throwing feces at one another. Shame on the uncivilized among us...
@randy95023 One problem with that is that the "big questions of god and creation" have been talked rationally to death. All of the arguments that can be made have been made and anyone who's on an honest and genuine quest for knowledge, whatever the answers may be, has found the rational arguments. So at some point in our dialogue we have to say that either you've grown up and faced reality, or CHOSEN to remain in delusion, and all that the rest of us can do to help is issue insults.
the concept of being existed or having a beginning or an end is something created for us...time is something what we can easily perceive...but having an idea beyond this concept is far beyond the capabilities of a human therefore saying that universe was always there is something illogical to me since then matter itself or the laws of physics would have been infinite too...God on the other hand needs no creation...he was there and this concept of creation cannot be applied on him.
If this concept is far beyond the capabilities of a human then why did you just say it seems illogical to you? you wouldn't grasp the concept anyway. There is no evidence for God, so why believe in one? If god has always existed and needs no creation, then why can't the same apply to our universe?
@XiaoPow your comment shows me that you never understood mine...there is no evidence of God? really? i will only answer your last question so here they are mate
ww w. youtube. com/watch?v=LzetqYev_AI&feature=colike
I didn't understand your comment? There is absolutely no evidence for a God, so again, why should we believe in it? There is no more reason to believe in a god than there is to believe in an invisible panda floating in the sky with marionette strings down to every person. Nobody would believe in that.
@XiaoPow certainly you are like all those atheist who are out there to whom we present all our logic about why we believe in God but in the end you are always asking this question and comparing a mighty being like God with foolish stuff of yours.you only see it with a limited thinking.and therefore you are telling me to not to explain you anything which is beyond your capabilities to understand or comprehend. "a cockroach can't see, that means for it, the only color in this world is black?
I think seeing a God as we imagine it is very limited thinking, and that's my point. We don't know what exists beyond the observable universe, does this mean we should believe in something we have no idea about? That is exactly why I'm comparing it to another improbable event you would absolutely not believe in.
@XiaoPow and that is because you see it with a whole different way... now i can give you alot of evidences on existence of god but there are two factors that limits me
I don't know of any of this evidence. The usual creation argument is that we don't know enough about a lot of things, and therefore there is a God. Makes no sense.
@tomorrowneverknows94 I don't think that is ironic at all. Even today some of the most cutting edge scientists are Theists, quite a lot of which are either Jewish or Christian.
The religious always ask me if God isn't real then how did the Universe come about? I believe in the Penrose-Hawking singularity Theorems as to how the Universe came into being, however these are just theories and that being said are subject to change. My question for the Religious is this, If God is real and all powerful, then who created God? I mean, he must of come from somewhere.
@xMCxHaVok God by definition is ever-existant intelligent Being.So when u ask who Created God u are going against his very definition,as he is defined as something non created.
@MrUrosSrb Then by sheer definition their argument is mute, the religious say that the universe can not be created out of nothing yet they expect Atheist to believe that God simply existed.
@Met0llicA Well maybe God = Universe, It doesn't really matter what we believe, all of our questions will always lead to the word infinite because there is infinite possibilities infinite parallel universes. We might as well call this an Infiniverse. There is no Answer to the reason of Life. We use the word God to try and live our lives for what we believe is better and more comforting. And i don't see a problem with that.
@DiLiG3N7 Wars have been fought over that word. Arguments, fights, death, hatred. A deep and large fundamentalism has been carried with that word. It divides people. It hushes mouths and incites riots. That single word is one of the single largest causes of turmoil, EVER.
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Carl Sagan maybe, or at least use to be, a smart guy but he with the logical IQ of a child. Every explination needs an explination? Tell a kid to do that, just go into his class room and continue to ask how and why. See what grade they get.
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To say god can't exist even the possibility without facts, in turn u would also have to say that there is indeed a possibility that god does exist. In all fairness, neither science nor religion can't prove either to be more true than the other. They both have a degree of facts behind them and they both have a degree of faith/belief/ theory that carries no proof of either claim. I myself believe both co-exist, given my faith and past and present experience.
@BluntedWax You are the first truly intelligent person I've ever met on youtube. That is not sarcasm...or spite...I'm dead serious. It is too rare to find ppl that believe that, at least with my experience in life...
@Codysstar It is more common than you think. It might even be the majority of Christians.
Atheists of course don't allow for both but agnostics do.
When you throw out the Atheists and the Fundamentalist YEC extremists, I think you'll find that the majority of the rest believe in at least the possibility of God and also believe in science too. Even the Pope believes in evolution. The originator of the big bang theory was a priest. It is not so uncommon.
@redddbaron Just because you believe evolution works, doesn't mean you believe the world started that way. There is no doubt that evolution plays a major role in survival. Question is, what does that have to do with where the big bang came from?
By the way, once science started adding mathematics, any theory could find an explanation for why it was wrong and how it could be right. In fact, using math you can prove that all the planets orbit earth; but we have seen for ourselves that it does not
@kazatskiyme Not really sure what you are getting at with that comment. My original comment addresses the fact that it is quite possible (and even fairly common) to believe in God, and also be a rational thinking human who understands science.
One thing I find weird is that people say something like science vs religion when the only things opposing are the the origins using evolution or religion; and some people try to find ways around even that (whether that's stupid or not is up to others to decide). That doesn't mean religious people don't know any science (like you said).
@redddbaron wow you know what I just realized...I didn't even read ur entire comment all the way through I only read the first paragraph...and I commented pretty much just saying everything u said. Afterwards I read all the way through and just realized how stupid i sounded. Lol but yeah...sorry bout that :P. But yea the pope doesn't necessarily "believe" in evolution...he just said it is an acceptable theory. And that was the last pope, Im not sure what Benedict 16th thinks about it tho.
@BluntedWax Depends on what God you're talking about. I can perfectly prove that all of the gods presented to us in all religions on earth can't possibly exist. The reason is very simple: they are self contradicting and most of them do not make any sense.
@dutchbb1979 Self-assuredness is a failing when discussing the unprovable. Unless you are "perfect" and a god unto yourself you can no more prove or disprove the existence of God or gods. If such were the case, you would be able to analyze, manipulate and control them. As for self-contradictions, the universe is full of them. It and God are paradox. Oh, as for making sense, you're rather like a patient in an insane asylum telling staff they don't make sense!
@kweju3 I do not have to be perfect to understand that the religions who are made up on our planet are all examples of primitive thinking, and therefore the gods described in them are a product of the imagination of the writers and the people who believed in them. The evidence is there to read for everyone, and if the evidence doesn't make any sense, then the claim is BS. It's not hard to understand that a god who created the universe would never order to write something despicable as the bible.
@kweju3 "As for self-contradictions, the universe is full of them. It and God are paradox. Oh, as for making sense, you're rather like a patient in an insane asylum telling staff they don't make sense!"
Actually science can provide us with a coherent understanding of the universe, and the things we don't understand now, will eventually be understood. Your personal god has nothing to do with reality, it's a product of the human imagination. So when you talk about insanity, that's close to it.
Based on what I've seen of Sagan, I believe he lived by the following 3 principles;
1. The meaning of life is to leave a big footprint of good for the future generations of humans, as previous generations of mortal creatures did for us.
2. To pursue happiness so long as it doesn't directly hurt another's pursuit of happiness.
3. Look to science to inform one's worldview, and be comfortable saying "i don't know, but let me take a guess based on what is known by science".
That was the most inspirational quote that I have ever read on youtube, and it really touched me personally. Can I have your permission to use those words it in a college application essay?
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust you have committed adultery with here in your heart?
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Does this concern you? The Bible says despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your i for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
This video is extremely stupid. The fact is. religion can say that God always existed, or that nothing existed before him because it's based on BELIEF. Science is based on research. Saying the universe existed all the time, or nothing game before it is equal to saying that everything in the Universe is getting 5 times bigger every second. This can't be disproven and is thus NOT SCIENCE. No conflict in religion, because it's based on belief; conflict in science, because, well, it's not science.
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Don't even try to reason the concept of God to the monkey people, they are lower beings who do not have the cognitive ability to know God. This is only a function of higher beings! You waste your time trying to convince a monkey..."as a man thinketh so is he, says God." Let the evolutionist be monkeys, "made in the image of a monkey" and we will be the "made in the image of God" people. Hopefully God has a zoo in heaven for the monkey people. If not I hope they like hot fires & brimstone.
@tot792 So God has a hand, feet, a penis? HA! "Image of God" is the most telling sign of mans egocentricity. Ascribing a male gender to IT, is an obvious profile of a male dominated society. When you say "the cognitive ability to know God" - the atheist mindset might say "the instinctive need for subservience to a leader - however imaginary". I personally think one of the greatest pull for religion is for people to have a feeling of justice when they have no earthly recourse. "Burn in hell". ha!
@tot792 You said it best. "the concept of God." God is a conception, a theory, an idea. Nothing solid can built around it. Evolution is a fact. It is science. It is proven. It is as solid as "What goes up must come down." How can a belief be built around an idea until it is proven? It is hypocritical to the very definition of "idea." Also, evolutionists don't believe humans evolved from monkeys. If this were so, there would be no more monkeys. They would all be humans. Eh, what's the use....?
@tot792 You said it best. "the concept of God." God is a conception, a theory, an idea. Nothing solid can built around it. Evolution is a fact. It is science. It is proven. It is as solid as "What goes up must come down." How can a belief be built around an idea until it is proven? It is hypocritical to the very definition of "idea." Also, evolutionists don't believe humans evolved from monkeys. If this were so, there would be no more monkeys. They would all be humans. Eh, what's the use....?
I have an explanation for the unvierse beginning. I might upload it someday.
I'm tired of people who use the first-cause argument as "proof" that God exists and I have to tell them the same thing. It doesn't. If I were christian, this would embarass me.
Few words are adequate to describe the beauty of this man's life's work. May he be immortalized in his wisdom so that future generations may have hope that legends live among us every day.
whatthing for ever you are fucking horrible whyjesus care over what you belive then what you do good why does it matter to god so much that you believe what kind of selfish person is that so 90% of Swedish children who are brought up atheist are going to hell how are they even supposed to know they should believe in Jesus why does Jesus care over if you accept him as your savior so much the bible clearly endorses slavery and genocide and god encourages the ethnic cleansing of the almanacs
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
I love howw much more we know about cosmology since these were made... I wonder how he felt as planets outside of our solar system were first being discovered right before he died?
The universe is not eternal. The big bang, as observed scientifically, is the creation of something out of nothing. To say that an unobservable force beyond time and space set the universe into motion is a perfectly logical statement. Since this hypothetical force is unobservable and not contained within time, it is not possible for this force itself to be created, because creation implies a before and after. The universe has an observable "before" and "after". A force beyond time would not.
If cosmologists and evolutionists were really smart they will do a thorough research on why Christians believe God exist. Instead they just imitate themselves in saying "the bible is just a book of fairy tales". However I don't blame certain people because revelation knowledge has not been given to them. "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. ( 2 Cor 4:4)"
I dont know where God came from, but the 'big bang' was the 'explosion' of God into everything That we see and hear. That is why people like the wiccans worship the earth and stars.
@bishop8000 Okay so its commonly called the big bang....it was a big bang, a supposed large explosion. That doesnt mean it wasnt the act of God. Dont be stupid by saying it cant be God because it already has a name. Havnt you heard of the 72 names of God? And that is just cutting him short. One of her manes is Mother Earth, another is "bishop8000". And did it slip your mind that there are same words with different meanings and different words with same meanings.
@bishop8000 Oh really? I bet you hardly know anymore than I do... I love how you didn't try to prove I was ignorant, how could you anyway? to you I'm nothing but a random pixel who made one simple statement of my own beliefs, how can you possibly judge me through pixels and judge my knowledge? Try researching things from both ways and you'll see what I mean by that statement...
@bishop8000 the fact that we insist on god is telling. emotional bias is still strong. there are infinet possible gods, and there infinet possible awnsers that do not include gods. it is clear that idea of god was invented by people how where ignorant, and belived there was face behind every action. the orgin of univerese is no difrent, idea of god is yet a nother cave man explenation. the suppernatural explenations have only one consitancy, they are allways wrong.
@AkumaxTamashii you dont know where God came from? Here is a clue. God does not live in the universe. Heaven is a spiritual enviroment and the Spiritual enviroment is unlimited. You are born into a limited enviroment. Because you are Born into an unlimited you will always ask, "How did God begin?" The Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens (not the third Heaven) and the Earth. The world which has been sold to satan by man is under satan's control to deny that God created all things
@RobertsDigital "you dont know where God came from? Here is a clue. God does not live in the universe. Heaven is a spiritual enviroment and the Spiritual enviroment is unlimited."
^this does not answer any questions, it is meerly a place holder for an answer.
@Kuth70 If you can provide evidence the most basic substances that make up your body are just as real and physical as you believe yourself to be, then I will let you teach me the ways of the athiest.
@bishop8000 You don't have to like what another person thinks, but please understand that our thoughts take the form of corollaries. Just as super symmetry, unified theory dimension are corollaries for our understanding of the physical world, for some words such as God represent a spiritual corollary. For one of us to attempt to eliminate another's thoughts or spiritual corollary is futile.
The Universe could not have been here forever, because if it had been, the Universe would have already reached thermal and density equilibrium. All of the Universe would be the same throughout. The night sky would look like the sun. We know that this is not true.
If time is so malleable by gravity thus giving us space time is it therefore possible the time begins at the big bang and ends at the big crunch? This assumes of course that the big crunch will happen. If this is so then perhaps the big bang and crunch are one in the same, making time in effect a circular dimension as opposed to a linear one. I compare this to how the ground when observed is flat, but is really a small section of our round globe.
@bishop8000 - Straw man, nothing! The multiverse explanation is simply baseless tactic (no shred of any type of evidence) to avoid the obvious. Posit an infinite number of universes to explain why our universe exists, and why ours happens to exist in the form that it does, so as to avoid the more proabable origin....one infinite being.
@retrogamerist - The infinite being is not a member of the universe. Your question fails to understand transcendence. The "reason" for the universe's existence transcends the universe itself...ie., the universe does not provide an answer. Asking "Who created this infinite being?" is as nonsensical as asking "What was taking place 24 hours before the Big Bang?"
@WSGAC Why is it more likely that an infinite being that created itself and happened to have the ability to to create and destroy mater, rather than just the universe creating itself?
@retrogamerist - Again, you're not able to get your head around it. An infinite being who created itself would be a being constrained by the contingencies found in the universe itself. This fails to understand what "infinite" means, but more importantly what "transcendence" means.
@WSGAC Then how does it exist? And plus is there any evidence for this being existing?. Being above and independent of the material universe. Used of the Deity.
Everything could only have arisen from its opposite - nothing. Now, ask the question where did everything come from? No thing. If we consider the universe to be every thing then no thing could exist outside it. It could be argued that the universe is part of a multiverse, ask what is outside of that? I surmise that most religions perception of God is terribly misguided. I believe that "God" is everything, including you and I. If everything(God) is not an infinite continuum it arose from nothing.
@jollincones Language exists to communicate ideas from one person to another. So knowing that, is "god' really the right word for everything including you and I. Because there's already a word for that, and it's "everything". Your use of the word "god" there is really just so you can say and mean one thing and make believers think you mean something else.
@bishop8000 I am not sure what you think I could possibly be alluding to by saying everything and god are synonymous.Please clarify? When I say God I mean everything, nothing else. Im pretty sure most religions explain God as being omnipresent. So, I think most "believers" already postulate that God is everything. I'm not trying to trick anyone as you suggest. Simply pointing out the logical notion that if God is everything but has not existed infinitely then nothing is the only thing that Cont-
@bishop8000 "warning. Special pleading above" - can you explain what you are trying to communicate? is that a warning to me that I shouldn't plead people to be humble? was my comment not good?
There are many questions we cannot answer. Accepting something doesn't make things the way they are. Accepting God or accepting non-theism doesn't make God exist or not exist. We know God because He reveals Himself to us. There is no way we can know Him without His revelation. Where did God come from? He didn't reveal that to us, but He did say " I am Alpha and Omega " meaning, " I am the beginning and the end ". Our little brains can only take it that far. Just be humble and not rebellious.
@leainhan Life is pointless when you live for imaginary invisible beings and imaginary lands. You theists are the one wasting your time, not us. We atheists live for Family, friends, and community, and they will always be more important than any religion's invisible beings and superstitions. Stick your fairy tales up your ignorant ass. Pussies.
@leainhan God said that? Everything from the bible is written by men, so men said that and as we know, men have fertile imaginations. They can even imagine gods. When you use the term reveal, you are using a religious definition because there is not one shred of scientific evidence that gods exist. In other words, science depends on a normal pair of eyes to see, not special religious eyes that only a select few can see with. If something exists beyond our senses, we cannot know about it.
@dkw12002 Prophecies about Babylonian exile of the Jew, the reunion of the Jew which took place 1948, the universe lost one day, the mark of a great flood.... those are things that Science cannot deny. Humans cannot write things in specific detail like that. And the Bible is not randomly right about one thing, it has so many records about mankind history and what happened years before and things to come. There are things we cannot see with our eyes yet exist e.g. electricity, numbers, logic, ..
@dkw12002 Science agrees with those invisible things and admit that they exist. On the other hand, Science is very limited to know the unknown world. Even our universe, we haven't discover a tiny part of it and all the mysteries that it contains. We cannot base on what we know to reject what we don't know. By mere sight, we are so very limited, so very limited! So faith is another sense then?? NO - its not what we discovered, its God's work to show us what the truth is while we are struggling
@dkw12002 to find out what is behind everything or what is the origin of everything. Faith is not a sense, it is like Paul said " Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". So where is our hope built on? On the word of God, the work of God, and the experience of life changing.
@leainhan "God did it" is not an explanation. It is a cop out since God by definition is the great unknown. As St. Augustine said, "If though hast been able to comprehend it, thou hast comprehended something else instead of God." With science, gods become superfluous. The opposite is never true. It is not like we think lightening is due to ionized air, then find out it's really Zeus throwing thunder bolts. Paul was a gnostic and thought he had special powers of perception-some say delusion.
@ animamor Your answer to a solid question is typical "lips flapping in the wind", pointless/cliche. Yes, the human body is temporal/weak, but mind is infinite/powerful, underrated by people like you; filled with magic and creation, which already holds the answer; mind is the answer: We are the God that we seek, "there is no God greater than the God you are". Why were women excluded in the making of Holy Books and laws for humanity? —the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God is a dream, just a dream.
@dahlusion The magic and creation you talk about, I believe, comes down to faith. Magical things happen everyday, or opportunities created when people just pray/meditate on something they want, and when this mental/spiritual activity is focused and turned into action, it can be powerful. But forgive me, you are not God. And neither am I. Yes, we are powerful and infinite, but our spirits/minds are parts of a whole (God). All I'm saying is that we cannot understand it all right now right here.
I'm going to go one step further than carl and just say.... is this exsistence not enough? do we have to know? Its incredible the way it is... we've got enough on our plates to figuer out first before asking questions about our exsistence. jeez
@dahlusion Even if there were a "concrete" answer to that question, you and the rest of us humans wouldn't be able to understand it. It's so arrogant to think such a thing as the origin of existence could be understood, just because we humans understand some laws of physics in our corner of the universe. Good luck with that line of questioning.
Natural selection is not magical. I agree with what science says about it, but it is observational, not some cosmic decision maker. It's treated like a law or property -which if so, why is it tuned (or programmed) so intuitively to enter pain into the equation? It didn't. NS is just the observation that certain complexities of life cause one life form to have a better chance of survival than another. But atheists use it the same way they accuse creationists of using the "God did it" reason.
@DanFrederiksen in denying naturalism, you miss the most profound and fundamental truth.
Consider for just a moment that you ARE the sum of your parts - that consciousness is an emergent phenomenon, and that you are not some immaterial 'soul' but rather a sentient configuration of matter. Honestly consider it, and you'll see a bigger and more beautiful picture than you think.
your right were did it come from and i got a question if the big bang need somthing to create it who created god and u cant say god created himself or no one did he was all natural super being. that is the wrong answer to my question
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there is a simple way to know that the atheists are wrong. realize that a robot that screams when you burn its hand felt no pain, didn't need to nor could ever.
same would be true of us if we were merely the physical beings you think we are.
How does a robot that feels no pain prove that Atheists are wrong? Please explain further, because all that I understand is that you use pointless, irrelevant rambling to get your pointless point across.
Evolution=Humanism=Existentialism=Emotions are weakness. Chaos
God=Divine beings=Depravity=Emotions are relative. Order
Ultimately we are confronted by faith..faith in God or faith in that nothing is after this.
You can be accountable for your actions or your actions do not matter.
Science will never prove God or disprove God because the righteous live by faith...which is foolishness to the world.
Carrigan1lord 3 weeks ago
@Carrigan1lord It's foolishness period.
bishop8000 3 weeks ago
at least with divinity and deity the human being is of value. Evolution has and will continue to promote eugenics.
Carrigan1lord 3 weeks ago
@Carrigan1lord Even if that were true, it doesn't make god exist.
bishop8000 3 weeks ago
@bishop8000 I'll save you time...no1 will ever...ever prove God to you.
Carrigan1lord 3 weeks ago
@Carrigan1lord Probably not. That's because there's no more evidence for god than for flying pink unicorns.
bishop8000 3 weeks ago
@bishop8000 - Simple question, no debate. Could it be possible that God or flying pink unicorns shroud you from these things because of our evil?
Carrigan1lord 2 weeks ago
@Carrigan1lord Anything is technically possible. A better question would be: Is what you said PROBABLE? And the only way to answer that is to objectively evaluate the measurable evidence.
bishop8000 2 weeks ago
@bishop8000 If someone gave up their life for another, the underlying factor would be that this person valued the existence of the other above their own, which in turn would leave the person saved and alive weighing in that the person who gave their life up was measurable evidence and credibility. Somethings are not in textbooks and formulas. We cannot create a paradigm from our self-exaltation and personal relevancy that allows a redcarpet guest entrance for God.
Carrigan1lord 2 weeks ago
@Carrigan1lord There's so much wrong with the logic of what you just said that I'm having a hard time responding. First, there's no evidence that Jesus was a real person, or was crucified, and even less that believing that changes anything in the real world. Second, allowing someone to be tortured forever if they don't believe in you or accept Jeezley weezley crawdad as your personal savior, is not love. It's a threat.
bishop8000 2 weeks ago
@bishop8000 I never mentioned Jesus...I'm merely saying that humans can impact other humans; especially If a human lays down their own life for someone else. Don't let Christianity concepts cloud you. I'm sure you've had a tough run in with religion. I'm not trying to make you angry and generalize things. I respect your questions and responses.
Carrigan1lord 2 weeks ago
The creator started the big bang.
BeelzebubTerror 4 weeks ago
@BeelzebubTerror Evidence for that please...
bishop8000 4 weeks ago
@bishop8000 the bible....trolololol
lyugiang 2 weeks ago
ok first of all god doesn't fucking exist and second, the big bang came from time. the big bang was the start of space. time was always there. time never starts or ends, think about it logically
pyro3339 1 month ago
@pyro3339 You're either a troll or just very overconfident in your paltry knowledge of high energy physics.
bishop8000 1 month ago
It seems that the anonymity of YouTube Comment boards allow some people to be totally disrespectful to their fellow man. It's a shame really. The internet allows us a chance to talk and discuss matters of significance and instead it turns into a "yelling match" and name calling. The big questions of God and Creation should be the subject of rational discussion. Instead we are like chimpanzees throwing feces at one another. Shame on the uncivilized among us...
randy95023 1 month ago
@randy95023 One problem with that is that the "big questions of god and creation" have been talked rationally to death. All of the arguments that can be made have been made and anyone who's on an honest and genuine quest for knowledge, whatever the answers may be, has found the rational arguments. So at some point in our dialogue we have to say that either you've grown up and faced reality, or CHOSEN to remain in delusion, and all that the rest of us can do to help is issue insults.
bishop8000 1 month ago
Wow, there are some dumb sumbitches on YouTube.
moondawg27 1 month ago
listen to all you idiots on youtube lol.
AliTubelog 1 month ago
the concept of being existed or having a beginning or an end is something created for us...time is something what we can easily perceive...but having an idea beyond this concept is far beyond the capabilities of a human therefore saying that universe was always there is something illogical to me since then matter itself or the laws of physics would have been infinite too...God on the other hand needs no creation...he was there and this concept of creation cannot be applied on him.
RockStarNorthSide 2 months ago
@RockStarNorthSide
If this concept is far beyond the capabilities of a human then why did you just say it seems illogical to you? you wouldn't grasp the concept anyway. There is no evidence for God, so why believe in one? If god has always existed and needs no creation, then why can't the same apply to our universe?
XiaoPow 2 months ago
@XiaoPow your comment shows me that you never understood mine...there is no evidence of God? really? i will only answer your last question so here they are mate
ww w. youtube. com/watch?v=LzetqYev_AI&feature=colike
goto shockofgod's channel dude
RockStarNorthSide 2 months ago
@RockStarNorthSide
I didn't understand your comment? There is absolutely no evidence for a God, so again, why should we believe in it? There is no more reason to believe in a god than there is to believe in an invisible panda floating in the sky with marionette strings down to every person. Nobody would believe in that.
XiaoPow 2 months ago
@XiaoPow certainly you are like all those atheist who are out there to whom we present all our logic about why we believe in God but in the end you are always asking this question and comparing a mighty being like God with foolish stuff of yours.you only see it with a limited thinking.and therefore you are telling me to not to explain you anything which is beyond your capabilities to understand or comprehend. "a cockroach can't see, that means for it, the only color in this world is black?
RockStarNorthSide 2 months ago
@RockStarNorthSide
I think seeing a God as we imagine it is very limited thinking, and that's my point. We don't know what exists beyond the observable universe, does this mean we should believe in something we have no idea about? That is exactly why I'm comparing it to another improbable event you would absolutely not believe in.
XiaoPow 2 months ago
@XiaoPow and that is because you see it with a whole different way... now i can give you alot of evidences on existence of god but there are two factors that limits me
obligation and hope
i have niether
RockStarNorthSide 2 months ago
@RockStarNorthSide
I don't know of any of this evidence. The usual creation argument is that we don't know enough about a lot of things, and therefore there is a God. Makes no sense.
XiaoPow 2 months ago
@XiaoPow that was not mine...let it go...just leave it
RockStarNorthSide 2 months ago
Tell it like it is, Sagan. Occam's razor is such a great argument. I find it so ironic that Occam was a Christian.
tomorrowneverknows94 3 months ago
@tomorrowneverknows94 I don't think that is ironic at all. Even today some of the most cutting edge scientists are Theists, quite a lot of which are either Jewish or Christian.
redddbaron 2 months ago
The religious always ask me if God isn't real then how did the Universe come about? I believe in the Penrose-Hawking singularity Theorems as to how the Universe came into being, however these are just theories and that being said are subject to change. My question for the Religious is this, If God is real and all powerful, then who created God? I mean, he must of come from somewhere.
xMCxHaVok 3 months ago
@xMCxHaVok God by definition is ever-existant intelligent Being.So when u ask who Created God u are going against his very definition,as he is defined as something non created.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb Then by sheer definition their argument is mute, the religious say that the universe can not be created out of nothing yet they expect Atheist to believe that God simply existed.
xMCxHaVok 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb "God by definition is ever-existant intelligent Being"
Definitions can change from person to person.
vmelkon 2 months ago
GOD = INFINITE problem solved :)
DiLiG3N7 3 months ago
@DiLiG3N7 Universe= Infinite
better solution
Met0llicA 3 months ago
@Met0llicA Well maybe God = Universe, It doesn't really matter what we believe, all of our questions will always lead to the word infinite because there is infinite possibilities infinite parallel universes. We might as well call this an Infiniverse. There is no Answer to the reason of Life. We use the word God to try and live our lives for what we believe is better and more comforting. And i don't see a problem with that.
DiLiG3N7 3 months ago
@DiLiG3N7 Wars have been fought over that word. Arguments, fights, death, hatred. A deep and large fundamentalism has been carried with that word. It divides people. It hushes mouths and incites riots. That single word is one of the single largest causes of turmoil, EVER.
monkeyman1397 3 months ago
@monkeyman1397 Its not god that causes wars, its us.
DiLiG3N7 3 months ago
@DiLiG3N7 You've missed the meaning completely.
monkeyman1397 3 months ago
The Creator of the Level 2 Multiverse has posted a video on YouTube, explaining exactly what happened before the Big Bang.
The video explains the reason for your existence in the Universe, and offers a meaning for your life.
Take a look at ' God says sorry. '
lacontrabasse 4 months ago
CARL SAGAN FOR EL'PRESIDENTE!
YellowMagi 4 months ago
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Carl Sagan maybe, or at least use to be, a smart guy but he with the logical IQ of a child. Every explination needs an explination? Tell a kid to do that, just go into his class room and continue to ask how and why. See what grade they get.
johhnycarlos 4 months ago
@johhnycarlos Your sentence structure has the logical IQ of a child.
bishop8000 4 months ago 47
@bishop8000 I know right. Grammar was never a strong suit.
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dutchbb1979 4 months ago
@johhnycarlos Let's see what grade you get!
AroundSun 3 months ago
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To say god can't exist even the possibility without facts, in turn u would also have to say that there is indeed a possibility that god does exist. In all fairness, neither science nor religion can't prove either to be more true than the other. They both have a degree of facts behind them and they both have a degree of faith/belief/ theory that carries no proof of either claim. I myself believe both co-exist, given my faith and past and present experience.
BluntedWax 4 months ago
@BluntedWax You are the first truly intelligent person I've ever met on youtube. That is not sarcasm...or spite...I'm dead serious. It is too rare to find ppl that believe that, at least with my experience in life...
Codysstar 4 months ago
@Codysstar It is more common than you think. It might even be the majority of Christians.
Atheists of course don't allow for both but agnostics do.
When you throw out the Atheists and the Fundamentalist YEC extremists, I think you'll find that the majority of the rest believe in at least the possibility of God and also believe in science too. Even the Pope believes in evolution. The originator of the big bang theory was a priest. It is not so uncommon.
redddbaron 4 months ago
@redddbaron Just because you believe evolution works, doesn't mean you believe the world started that way. There is no doubt that evolution plays a major role in survival. Question is, what does that have to do with where the big bang came from?
By the way, once science started adding mathematics, any theory could find an explanation for why it was wrong and how it could be right. In fact, using math you can prove that all the planets orbit earth; but we have seen for ourselves that it does not
kazatskiyme 4 months ago
@kazatskiyme Not really sure what you are getting at with that comment. My original comment addresses the fact that it is quite possible (and even fairly common) to believe in God, and also be a rational thinking human who understands science.
redddbaron 4 months ago
@redddbaron My bad, misunderstood things :)
One thing I find weird is that people say something like science vs religion when the only things opposing are the the origins using evolution or religion; and some people try to find ways around even that (whether that's stupid or not is up to others to decide). That doesn't mean religious people don't know any science (like you said).
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Codysstar 4 months ago
@redddbaron wow you know what I just realized...I didn't even read ur entire comment all the way through I only read the first paragraph...and I commented pretty much just saying everything u said. Afterwards I read all the way through and just realized how stupid i sounded. Lol but yeah...sorry bout that :P. But yea the pope doesn't necessarily "believe" in evolution...he just said it is an acceptable theory. And that was the last pope, Im not sure what Benedict 16th thinks about it tho.
Codysstar 4 months ago
@redddbaron And what's fucked up is a lot of ppl give Hubble credit for the theory. But they seem to forget about Lemaitre.
Codysstar 4 months ago
@BluntedWax You're a master of doublethink.
bishop8000 4 months ago 15
@BluntedWax Depends on what God you're talking about. I can perfectly prove that all of the gods presented to us in all religions on earth can't possibly exist. The reason is very simple: they are self contradicting and most of them do not make any sense.
dutchbb1979 4 months ago
@dutchbb1979 Self-assuredness is a failing when discussing the unprovable. Unless you are "perfect" and a god unto yourself you can no more prove or disprove the existence of God or gods. If such were the case, you would be able to analyze, manipulate and control them. As for self-contradictions, the universe is full of them. It and God are paradox. Oh, as for making sense, you're rather like a patient in an insane asylum telling staff they don't make sense!
kweju3 3 months ago
@kweju3 I do not have to be perfect to understand that the religions who are made up on our planet are all examples of primitive thinking, and therefore the gods described in them are a product of the imagination of the writers and the people who believed in them. The evidence is there to read for everyone, and if the evidence doesn't make any sense, then the claim is BS. It's not hard to understand that a god who created the universe would never order to write something despicable as the bible.
dutchbb1979 3 months ago
@dutchbb1979 Well Jesus is very much historically supported,i doubt he was made up.
MrUrosSrb 3 months ago
@kweju3 "As for self-contradictions, the universe is full of them. It and God are paradox. Oh, as for making sense, you're rather like a patient in an insane asylum telling staff they don't make sense!"
Actually science can provide us with a coherent understanding of the universe, and the things we don't understand now, will eventually be understood. Your personal god has nothing to do with reality, it's a product of the human imagination. So when you talk about insanity, that's close to it.
dutchbb1979 3 months ago
@dutchbb1979 Prove infinity.
kweju3 3 months ago
@BluntedWax Religion is entirely based on Superstition, Nothing More.!
deeppurple28 3 months ago
@BluntedWax you are a master of cock
Met0llicA 3 months ago
@BluntedWax nither can you you say that there are no other gods. if you want to be honest you culd say there are possibly more then one.
gethsoftware 3 months ago
@BluntedWax Please read "Dragon in my Garage"
karenmelissa002 2 months ago
Based on what I've seen of Sagan, I believe he lived by the following 3 principles;
1. The meaning of life is to leave a big footprint of good for the future generations of humans, as previous generations of mortal creatures did for us.
2. To pursue happiness so long as it doesn't directly hurt another's pursuit of happiness.
3. Look to science to inform one's worldview, and be comfortable saying "i don't know, but let me take a guess based on what is known by science".
Highlyskeptical 4 months ago 4
@Highlyskeptical
That was the most inspirational quote that I have ever read on youtube, and it really touched me personally. Can I have your permission to use those words it in a college application essay?
almostskater3210 3 months ago
@Highlyskeptical
(continued) sorry meant comment not quote
almostskater3210 3 months ago
@almostskater3210 Sure, how can I say what I did and be against spreading a beneficial meme?
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Are you ready?
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust you have committed adultery with here in your heart?
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Does this concern you? The Bible says despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your i for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
standingontruth1 4 months ago
This video is extremely stupid. The fact is. religion can say that God always existed, or that nothing existed before him because it's based on BELIEF. Science is based on research. Saying the universe existed all the time, or nothing game before it is equal to saying that everything in the Universe is getting 5 times bigger every second. This can't be disproven and is thus NOT SCIENCE. No conflict in religion, because it's based on belief; conflict in science, because, well, it's not science.
kazatskiyme 4 months ago
SMOOTHEST DAMN MOONWALK IVE EVER SEEN
MrWrldpce 4 months ago 3
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Don't even try to reason the concept of God to the monkey people, they are lower beings who do not have the cognitive ability to know God. This is only a function of higher beings! You waste your time trying to convince a monkey..."as a man thinketh so is he, says God." Let the evolutionist be monkeys, "made in the image of a monkey" and we will be the "made in the image of God" people. Hopefully God has a zoo in heaven for the monkey people. If not I hope they like hot fires & brimstone.
tot792 4 months ago
@tot792 You. Stop trolling.
bishop8000 4 months ago 17
@tot792 So God has a hand, feet, a penis? HA! "Image of God" is the most telling sign of mans egocentricity. Ascribing a male gender to IT, is an obvious profile of a male dominated society. When you say "the cognitive ability to know God" - the atheist mindset might say "the instinctive need for subservience to a leader - however imaginary". I personally think one of the greatest pull for religion is for people to have a feeling of justice when they have no earthly recourse. "Burn in hell". ha!
worktosser 4 months ago
@tot792 "Don't even try to reason the concept of God to the monkey people,"
Since when and in what dimension did the concept of God ever become reason?
" This is only a function of higher beings! You waste your time trying to convince a monkey..."
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 98% of DNA that primates have...... "If not I hope they like hot fires & brimstone."
Typical reply from a sinister Christian. You wish the worst upon those who don't follow your beliefs
philster611 4 months ago
@philster611
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 96% of DNA that Sheep have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 90% of DNA that Cats have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 80% of DNA that Cows have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 70% of DNA that Pumpkins have......
Oddly enough, Atheists and other religions carry the same percentages......
Oddly enough, People seem to think these percentages mean much......
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@philster611
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 96% of DNA that Sheep have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 90% of DNA that Cats have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 80% of DNA that Cows have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 70% of DNA that Pumpkins have......
Oddly enough, Atheists and other religions carry the same percentages......
Oddly enough, People seem to think these percentages mean much......
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@philster611 Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 96% of DNA that Sheep have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 90% of DNA that Cats have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 80% of DNA that Cows have......
Oddly enough, Christians carry the same 70% of DNA that Pumpkins have......
Oddly enough, Atheists and other religions carry the same percentages......
Oddly enough, People seem to think these percentages mean much......
kazatskiyme 4 months ago
@tot792 The fact that we have ancestors that we would have probably called monkeys is overidden by the fact that we are not monkeys.
EatCarlSagan 4 months ago
@tot792 Yeah. I hope God has a zoo in heaven so we can send people like you who need to be trained to use their brain.
Nick153452 4 months ago 2
@tot792 You said it best. "the concept of God." God is a conception, a theory, an idea. Nothing solid can built around it. Evolution is a fact. It is science. It is proven. It is as solid as "What goes up must come down." How can a belief be built around an idea until it is proven? It is hypocritical to the very definition of "idea." Also, evolutionists don't believe humans evolved from monkeys. If this were so, there would be no more monkeys. They would all be humans. Eh, what's the use....?
BurriedAtSea 4 months ago
@tot792 You said it best. "the concept of God." God is a conception, a theory, an idea. Nothing solid can built around it. Evolution is a fact. It is science. It is proven. It is as solid as "What goes up must come down." How can a belief be built around an idea until it is proven? It is hypocritical to the very definition of "idea." Also, evolutionists don't believe humans evolved from monkeys. If this were so, there would be no more monkeys. They would all be humans. Eh, what's the use....?
BurriedAtSea 4 months ago
@tot792 I doubt you'd be saying this if you had been born in India! Troll!
deeppurple28 4 months ago
damn this is the agrument i always use =D
PirateMonkeyFilmz 4 months ago
I have an explanation for the unvierse beginning. I might upload it someday.
I'm tired of people who use the first-cause argument as "proof" that God exists and I have to tell them the same thing. It doesn't. If I were christian, this would embarass me.
AtheismIsCorrect 4 months ago
" Since when does absence of evidence equate to evidence of absence, it doesn't" prince ea <3
yahhmann123 4 months ago
@yahhmann123 When there's no evidence, the default position is to not believe.
bishop8000 4 months ago 5
Few words are adequate to describe the beauty of this man's life's work. May he be immortalized in his wisdom so that future generations may have hope that legends live among us every day.
drpeppa2357 4 months ago
What the fuck is with all these christians? GOD ISNT REAL
UnconventionaI 4 months ago
whatthing for ever you are fucking horrible whyjesus care over what you belive then what you do good why does it matter to god so much that you believe what kind of selfish person is that so 90% of Swedish children who are brought up atheist are going to hell how are they even supposed to know they should believe in Jesus why does Jesus care over if you accept him as your savior so much the bible clearly endorses slavery and genocide and god encourages the ethnic cleansing of the almanacs
SalTheUltimate 4 months ago
@SalTheUltimate AHHHHH! Use some punctuation!!
Username2671 4 months ago
@Username2671 I'm sorry; this person, me, is quite lazy.
SalTheUltimate 4 months ago
@Username2671 I'm quite capable of typing, while using correct punctuation. An example of correct punctuation is, my 'About me' on my channel page.
SalTheUltimate 4 months ago
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The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
I love howw much more we know about cosmology since these were made... I wonder how he felt as planets outside of our solar system were first being discovered right before he died?
robman8855 4 months ago
The universe is not eternal. The big bang, as observed scientifically, is the creation of something out of nothing. To say that an unobservable force beyond time and space set the universe into motion is a perfectly logical statement. Since this hypothetical force is unobservable and not contained within time, it is not possible for this force itself to be created, because creation implies a before and after. The universe has an observable "before" and "after". A force beyond time would not.
Mykbibby 4 months ago
@Mykbibby
There is no God there is no moment in creation.
A brief history of time.mov Watch the following video:
Best part starts at 4:17-8:34
/watch?v=ZlcKiZluhjk
Remeber there is no creation event.
Watch the following video:
Christian Mythology.flv
/watch?v=L0TeZqPIiYI
Enjoy :)
dontxspeed 4 months ago
If cosmologists and evolutionists were really smart they will do a thorough research on why Christians believe God exist. Instead they just imitate themselves in saying "the bible is just a book of fairy tales". However I don't blame certain people because revelation knowledge has not been given to them. "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. ( 2 Cor 4:4)"
RobertsDigital 4 months ago
@RobertsDigital BAAAAA
BackInTheCage 4 months ago
The most clarifying statement regarding the moments before the big bang occured:
"I don't know."
All other statements are speculation.
Fetusmilkshake 4 months ago
I dont know where God came from, but the 'big bang' was the 'explosion' of God into everything That we see and hear. That is why people like the wiccans worship the earth and stars.
AkumaxTamashii 4 months ago
@AkumaxTamashii God is the wrong word for big bang. There's already a word for that. Big Bang.
bishop8000 4 months ago 30
@bishop8000 Okay so its commonly called the big bang....it was a big bang, a supposed large explosion. That doesnt mean it wasnt the act of God. Dont be stupid by saying it cant be God because it already has a name. Havnt you heard of the 72 names of God? And that is just cutting him short. One of her manes is Mother Earth, another is "bishop8000". And did it slip your mind that there are same words with different meanings and different words with same meanings.
AkumaxTamashii 4 months ago
@bishop8000 the big bang was an event in which god invited a bunch of bitches to his house and well... yeah... i'll let you take it from there
spyclanhectic 4 months ago
@spyclanhectic There's no evidence for god.
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@bishop8000 You say that there is no evidence for God, but is there evidence proving that there is NO God?
MarkConstantineDrums 4 months ago
@bishop8000 there is more proof that God exist than their is of the big bang to me
StreamerVideo 4 months ago
@StreamerVideo That's because you're scientifically ignorant.
bishop8000 4 months ago
@bishop8000 Oh really? I bet you hardly know anymore than I do... I love how you didn't try to prove I was ignorant, how could you anyway? to you I'm nothing but a random pixel who made one simple statement of my own beliefs, how can you possibly judge me through pixels and judge my knowledge? Try researching things from both ways and you'll see what I mean by that statement...
StreamerVideo 4 months ago
@bishop8000 the fact that we insist on god is telling. emotional bias is still strong. there are infinet possible gods, and there infinet possible awnsers that do not include gods. it is clear that idea of god was invented by people how where ignorant, and belived there was face behind every action. the orgin of univerese is no difrent, idea of god is yet a nother cave man explenation. the suppernatural explenations have only one consitancy, they are allways wrong.
gethsoftware 3 months ago
@AkumaxTamashii you dont know where God came from? Here is a clue. God does not live in the universe. Heaven is a spiritual enviroment and the Spiritual enviroment is unlimited. You are born into a limited enviroment. Because you are Born into an unlimited you will always ask, "How did God begin?" The Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens (not the third Heaven) and the Earth. The world which has been sold to satan by man is under satan's control to deny that God created all things
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@RobertsDigital "you dont know where God came from? Here is a clue. God does not live in the universe. Heaven is a spiritual enviroment and the Spiritual enviroment is unlimited."
^this does not answer any questions, it is meerly a place holder for an answer.
sum1unxpected 4 months ago
@AkumaxTamashii If you can provide evidence that the big bang was "God" I'll gladly join whatever theology you subscribe to.
Kuth70 4 months ago
@Kuth70 If you can provide evidence the most basic substances that make up your body are just as real and physical as you believe yourself to be, then I will let you teach me the ways of the athiest.
AkumaxTamashii 4 months ago
universe itself is god
TheUndertakerSaysRIP 4 months ago
@TheUndertakerSaysRIP Already word for that. Universe.
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@bishop8000 You don't have to like what another person thinks, but please understand that our thoughts take the form of corollaries. Just as super symmetry, unified theory dimension are corollaries for our understanding of the physical world, for some words such as God represent a spiritual corollary. For one of us to attempt to eliminate another's thoughts or spiritual corollary is futile.
beritjennifer 4 months ago
The Universe could not have been here forever, because if it had been, the Universe would have already reached thermal and density equilibrium. All of the Universe would be the same throughout. The night sky would look like the sun. We know that this is not true.
BobTubeStudios 4 months ago
@BobTubeStudios No. You're thinking about the amount of time that's elapsed since the big bang, not about what may have happened before that.
bishop8000 4 months ago
If time is so malleable by gravity thus giving us space time is it therefore possible the time begins at the big bang and ends at the big crunch? This assumes of course that the big crunch will happen. If this is so then perhaps the big bang and crunch are one in the same, making time in effect a circular dimension as opposed to a linear one. I compare this to how the ground when observed is flat, but is really a small section of our round globe.
JoeDSileo1988 4 months ago
An infinite number of universes (ie., multiverse) is posited in order to avoid the possibility of one infinite God. This is what you call science.
WSGAC 4 months ago
@WSGAC Leave that straw man alone, he never did anything to hurt you.
bishop8000 4 months ago 5
@bishop8000 - Straw man, nothing! The multiverse explanation is simply baseless tactic (no shred of any type of evidence) to avoid the obvious. Posit an infinite number of universes to explain why our universe exists, and why ours happens to exist in the form that it does, so as to avoid the more proabable origin....one infinite being.
WSGAC 4 months ago
@WSGAC But then this leads to "Who created this infinite being?"
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@retrogamerist - The infinite being is not a member of the universe. Your question fails to understand transcendence. The "reason" for the universe's existence transcends the universe itself...ie., the universe does not provide an answer. Asking "Who created this infinite being?" is as nonsensical as asking "What was taking place 24 hours before the Big Bang?"
WSGAC 4 months ago
@WSGAC Why is it more likely that an infinite being that created itself and happened to have the ability to to create and destroy mater, rather than just the universe creating itself?
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@retrogamerist - Again, you're not able to get your head around it. An infinite being who created itself would be a being constrained by the contingencies found in the universe itself. This fails to understand what "infinite" means, but more importantly what "transcendence" means.
WSGAC 4 months ago
@WSGAC Then how does it exist? And plus is there any evidence for this being existing?. Being above and independent of the material universe. Used of the Deity.
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@WSGAC Sorry this video is about science, not fairy tales
MrKGatl 4 months ago
@MrKGatl - a science that posits an infinite universe is the definition of a fairy tale!
WSGAC 4 months ago
@WSGAC and how would you know? Im guessing that you are a scientist, even a cosmologist? Please just keep your ignorance to yourself
MrKGatl 4 months ago
@MrKGatl - Ahhh the bravado of the truly ignorant. What it lacks in knowledge it compensates for by accusing others of its own deficiency. Priceless!
WSGAC 4 months ago
@WSGAC Sorry, but im not the ignorant one or the one that resists knowledge.
MrKGatl 4 months ago
@WSGAC hunny, we live a fairy tale.
AkumaxTamashii 4 months ago
This is so obvious. The bible says God made the universe, therefore it's true. It's so obvious that only lesser minds would think otherwise.
The bible also says that the Xbox is better than the Playstation. And that Christians are samrt and Atheists are dubm.
Non-believers are going to burn in hell! And gay people are bad!
*whispers to himself "fucking dumbass Christians"*
MrTimJr 4 months ago
Everything could only have arisen from its opposite - nothing. Now, ask the question where did everything come from? No thing. If we consider the universe to be every thing then no thing could exist outside it. It could be argued that the universe is part of a multiverse, ask what is outside of that? I surmise that most religions perception of God is terribly misguided. I believe that "God" is everything, including you and I. If everything(God) is not an infinite continuum it arose from nothing.
jollincones 4 months ago
@jollincones Language exists to communicate ideas from one person to another. So knowing that, is "god' really the right word for everything including you and I. Because there's already a word for that, and it's "everything". Your use of the word "god" there is really just so you can say and mean one thing and make believers think you mean something else.
bishop8000 4 months ago
@bishop8000 I am not sure what you think I could possibly be alluding to by saying everything and god are synonymous.Please clarify? When I say God I mean everything, nothing else. Im pretty sure most religions explain God as being omnipresent. So, I think most "believers" already postulate that God is everything. I'm not trying to trick anyone as you suggest. Simply pointing out the logical notion that if God is everything but has not existed infinitely then nothing is the only thing that Cont-
jollincones 4 months ago
@jollincones I'd rather just call it everything.
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@bishop8000 "warning. Special pleading above" - can you explain what you are trying to communicate? is that a warning to me that I shouldn't plead people to be humble? was my comment not good?
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leainhan 4 months ago
There are many questions we cannot answer. Accepting something doesn't make things the way they are. Accepting God or accepting non-theism doesn't make God exist or not exist. We know God because He reveals Himself to us. There is no way we can know Him without His revelation. Where did God come from? He didn't reveal that to us, but He did say " I am Alpha and Omega " meaning, " I am the beginning and the end ". Our little brains can only take it that far. Just be humble and not rebellious.
leainhan 4 months ago
@leainhan Warning. Special pleading above.
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@leainhan Life is pointless when you live for imaginary invisible beings and imaginary lands. You theists are the one wasting your time, not us. We atheists live for Family, friends, and community, and they will always be more important than any religion's invisible beings and superstitions. Stick your fairy tales up your ignorant ass. Pussies.
mechanicmike69 4 months ago
@leainhan God said that? Everything from the bible is written by men, so men said that and as we know, men have fertile imaginations. They can even imagine gods. When you use the term reveal, you are using a religious definition because there is not one shred of scientific evidence that gods exist. In other words, science depends on a normal pair of eyes to see, not special religious eyes that only a select few can see with. If something exists beyond our senses, we cannot know about it.
dkw12002 4 months ago
@dkw12002 Prophecies about Babylonian exile of the Jew, the reunion of the Jew which took place 1948, the universe lost one day, the mark of a great flood.... those are things that Science cannot deny. Humans cannot write things in specific detail like that. And the Bible is not randomly right about one thing, it has so many records about mankind history and what happened years before and things to come. There are things we cannot see with our eyes yet exist e.g. electricity, numbers, logic, ..
leainhan 4 months ago
@dkw12002 Science agrees with those invisible things and admit that they exist. On the other hand, Science is very limited to know the unknown world. Even our universe, we haven't discover a tiny part of it and all the mysteries that it contains. We cannot base on what we know to reject what we don't know. By mere sight, we are so very limited, so very limited! So faith is another sense then?? NO - its not what we discovered, its God's work to show us what the truth is while we are struggling
leainhan 4 months ago
@dkw12002 to find out what is behind everything or what is the origin of everything. Faith is not a sense, it is like Paul said " Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". So where is our hope built on? On the word of God, the work of God, and the experience of life changing.
leainhan 4 months ago
@leainhan "God did it" is not an explanation. It is a cop out since God by definition is the great unknown. As St. Augustine said, "If though hast been able to comprehend it, thou hast comprehended something else instead of God." With science, gods become superfluous. The opposite is never true. It is not like we think lightening is due to ionized air, then find out it's really Zeus throwing thunder bolts. Paul was a gnostic and thought he had special powers of perception-some say delusion.
dkw12002 4 months ago
@leainhan But these ideas aren't rational.
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@ animamor Your answer to a solid question is typical "lips flapping in the wind", pointless/cliche. Yes, the human body is temporal/weak, but mind is infinite/powerful, underrated by people like you; filled with magic and creation, which already holds the answer; mind is the answer: We are the God that we seek, "there is no God greater than the God you are". Why were women excluded in the making of Holy Books and laws for humanity? —the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God is a dream, just a dream.
dahlusion 4 months ago
@dahlusion The magic and creation you talk about, I believe, comes down to faith. Magical things happen everyday, or opportunities created when people just pray/meditate on something they want, and when this mental/spiritual activity is focused and turned into action, it can be powerful. But forgive me, you are not God. And neither am I. Yes, we are powerful and infinite, but our spirits/minds are parts of a whole (God). All I'm saying is that we cannot understand it all right now right here.
animamor 4 months ago
I'm going to go one step further than carl and just say.... is this exsistence not enough? do we have to know? Its incredible the way it is... we've got enough on our plates to figuer out first before asking questions about our exsistence. jeez
stuartwwillis 4 months ago
from nothing!! and son it has been scientifically proven.
Warxyph 5 months ago
@Warxyph The term "scientifically proven" shows just how non-scientific you are.
bishop8000 5 months ago
@bishop8000 how and why?
Warxyph 5 months ago
who created God?—give me a concrete answer
dahlusion 5 months ago
@dahlusion peoples imagination.
Warxyph 5 months ago
@dahlusion Even if there were a "concrete" answer to that question, you and the rest of us humans wouldn't be able to understand it. It's so arrogant to think such a thing as the origin of existence could be understood, just because we humans understand some laws of physics in our corner of the universe. Good luck with that line of questioning.
animamor 4 months ago
Natural selection is not magical. I agree with what science says about it, but it is observational, not some cosmic decision maker. It's treated like a law or property -which if so, why is it tuned (or programmed) so intuitively to enter pain into the equation? It didn't. NS is just the observation that certain complexities of life cause one life form to have a better chance of survival than another. But atheists use it the same way they accuse creationists of using the "God did it" reason.
rabidfox1 5 months ago
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MrTsquared88 5 months ago
@DanFrederiksen in denying naturalism, you miss the most profound and fundamental truth.
Consider for just a moment that you ARE the sum of your parts - that consciousness is an emergent phenomenon, and that you are not some immaterial 'soul' but rather a sentient configuration of matter. Honestly consider it, and you'll see a bigger and more beautiful picture than you think.
taicleis 5 months ago
your right were did it come from and i got a question if the big bang need somthing to create it who created god and u cant say god created himself or no one did he was all natural super being. that is the wrong answer to my question
MineCraftMrMoo 5 months ago
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there is a simple way to know that the atheists are wrong. realize that a robot that screams when you burn its hand felt no pain, didn't need to nor could ever.
same would be true of us if we were merely the physical beings you think we are.
it's that simple but can you handle it..
DanFrederiksen 5 months ago
How does a robot that feels no pain prove that Atheists are wrong? Please explain further, because all that I understand is that you use pointless, irrelevant rambling to get your pointless point across.
xXLifeObservedXx 5 months ago
@DanFrederiksen Stop trolling.
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